🛠️buildcrafting

[livid carbon]

oh yeah also the aim assist cone doesnt bloom like accuracy cone

[long flicker]

triage + damaging enemies affected by EMP heals you

[fast shuttle]

oy guys whats with the claymore drone on thief? how does it even work? ngl I admit is quite creative

[signal spindle]

You stack claymores on the drone and then fly it into someone basically

[fast shuttle]

oh shit but you need your crew member to stack them right

[granite surge]

hold the claymore button to precisely place it. the drone has to be a bit lower than yourself

[junior wedge]

gang what do the charged up shots do on volt weapons? i kill enemies with more charged shots than I do uncharged shots

[junior wedge]

(as in it takes me more ammo to kill them with a charged shot than an uncharged shot… sorry if bad explanation)

[glossy osprey]

pls tell me where to find biomata resin its eroding my sanity

[languid wasp]

Tool carts

[glossy osprey]

ive tried but i need like the blue ones and i havent come across one in 15+ runs to bio research

[twin estuary]

It deals significantly more damage but does not 1 shot headshot green shields

But it's great when coordinating w your crew

[junior wedge]

Genuinely doesn't feel like it in my experience

Most of the time I'm better off landing normal shots than charged shots

Though I don't use volt weapons much other than the lookout

[twin estuary]

It does do more damage but it also causes a significant recovery time

[zenith gyro]

also man its not just bio research you can find it in any tool cart actually you can go to orientation on outpost you might find more there also worth to note you can get them from rank up rewards

[edgy wyvern]

Go to outpost, found a few in tool carts at pinwheel unfort

[quick vault]

ok what gives, the Bully is better than the Copperhead and Brrt and is the cheapest of the bunch too. I take it there's really strong prestige attachments or something for them that makes them better

[cinder quiver]

it's nice that the free kits have some good stuff too

[gaunt fulcrum]

is there a video or a guide to learn how to get out of pinwheel, i heard there are like vents and stuff you can use but idk how

[signal spindle]

I usually just mark the main elevator shaft entrance area on my map and then go back there tbh

[near summit]

anyone got any good builds for triage besties

[hard patrol]

I relied on a rando on my team to get me out, but I'm curious as well, though I try to not rely on guides.

[fading cosmos]

There is a vent exit out of the destroyed wing, there's a keypad on the wall of the room right before the destroyed part of the wing that opens the vent that you can then crawl out of (Be mindful, because it's a long fall that will definitely hurt). In the drone wing there's a keypad in the drone room at the far end of that wing, when you hit that pad the drone in the middle of the room will be lowered out of pinwheel and let you out near processing

There's also a vent in that drone wing that opens with a keypad too, so there are a bunch of ways to bug out if you need to

[torn iris]

Guys, does anyone know if bully can go over 40m range with Testament mod chip? Cause you can't push it past 40m with mods that increase range, so i was wondering if range stacking effects can increase it past 40m

[zenith whale]

there are like some quick exit vents but you need to be deep in pinwheel with the access car for it

[granite surge]

under the command room there is a vent on the far left
there are also "exit" marked vents along walls in most rooms

[viscid mantle]

I know recon is underpowered right now but what's the best mods to run with her?

[twin estuary]

I havent had a chance to run the copperhead but the 5 shot burst of the brrt makes it a more agile/similar version of the br33

Just with smg capabilities, like the suppressor

[fast shuttle]

any counter for the current 3 crew meta? people rush spawn points to secure looting of the map in peace

I was thinking maybe to rush some point on the map and turtle for a bit, to remove yourself from the spawn positions

not sure how effective that would be

[twin estuary]

The first team to secure a strong position is better

Period

Hesitation is death

Always secure space faster than the other team. Get into a better position

If youre still at spawn and get killed, youre taking way too long

[tardy zealot]

Hey guys, does anyone know the range of triage's rebot+?

[dusk fable]

are lmg shields impenetrable? how much health do they have? how do they recharge?

do all stats cap at 100? can you exceed the cap with implants and buffs etc?

does circuit tracers refill a flat amount or a percentage of the mag?

is there anywhere technical info/mechanics like this can be found or is it all gonna need to be reverse engineered by players?

idk where else to ask

[twin estuary]

It's a black box and bungie has not released hard numbers afaik

[unique timber]

brrt absolutely rips runners tbh

[quick vault]

I suppose it depends on how skilled the player is. The bully better for those who like to spray and pray and the brrt for a hitscan hero

Likely people who have been saying the brrt is bad are those that can't hit a barn door from 5 meters away 😄

[ruby oasis]

Does going over 100 in a stat do anything ?

[junior lark]

No it doesnt

[unique timber]

is this vibes based? it has better ttk and range than bully and can hit 35m with thermal equipped

[junior lark]

past 5 meters its a peashooter, bully outclasses it by a mile

[twin estuary]

Or maybe it just doesnt vibe with your style

[signal spindle]

On-paper stats are never going to be as impactful as whether or not the gun feels good for you to shoot

But that doesn't make the on-paper stuff wrong, it just means you might be the outlier

[fast shuttle]

thats crazy

[junior lark]

ehh, if you're an in your face constantly player i could see how its good, the rest of the time its mid

[unique timber]

does damage falloff start before the stated range?

[twin estuary]

No

But a lot of people barely know how big 6 inches is, much less 5 meters

[viral dove]

Hey man, them not knowing 6 inches is my whole strategy

[jovial yacht]

Far

[clear helm]

A lot of the stars are considered in a vacuum like the brrt has a faster TTK than the bully but obviously missing is punished more since it’s a full burst vs sustained fire

[open lark]

the guy who made that chart said the DPS doesnt take into account the pause between bursts, so i dont think its actually the fasted ttk

[pale dagger]

does Outpost's overheat cause you to not be able to shoot your gun? I have to swap to shoot. and does mech kit + cardio dispel overheat?

[sinful estuary]

outpost overheat is generic overheat, which is tied to movement. MCH kit will cleanse the burn which slows your healing, but it will not clear heat

[upbeat fiber]

idt anything clears heat build up

[fading cosmos]

Vandal prime is the only thing I’m aware of that does it

[gilded minnow]

Cardio kick?

[fading cosmos]

I don't know actually, I know it increases heat capacity

[turbid coral]

Mechanics kit removes heat no?

Oh nvm, that's only overheat

[acoustic oak]

Vandal prime ability only reduces your heat build up

[pseudo kraken]

The gold triage core is like legit garbo no? Like reading the description it seems green tier

[acoustic oak]

What one?

[pseudo kraken]

unnless I'm just not understanding the value in it. I like never run out of drones

[pseudo kraken]

it reduces the cooldown of your drone when you share a consumable with a teammate

[acoustic oak]

I suppose it helps in situations where the drone is shot down

[fading cosmos]

It also clears all your built up heat at the time of cast

[simple gust]

useful with the burst of heal on drone attach one probably

assuming it triggers on refreshing existing drone

[inner knot]

Question. How does loot work? Like I swear I see high level mfs getting golds on their first chest in cryo and I’ll barely get a purple. Is it level based?Like will I get more once I become higher level? Or increase drop rate?

[twin estuary]

Generally, it's loot table and chance based

But my friend believes it also depends on how long you "let the loot cook" before opening something

[inner knot]

Like time in match

[twin estuary]

Yes

He mains thief so im closer to believing him than not

[valid bolt]

he is lying to you 😂

[rough lion]

Cardio kick clears your heat build up

[twin estuary]

Im really glad the consumables are actually useful

[rough lion]

They are CRAZY useful! It’s why I’m so broke cause I’m always buying the maximum of each I can each day to stock up 😓

[radiant lintel]

Really hope they add a firing range at some point i would like to know if keyboard warrior has any affect on the bully once you max out the range of it to 40m.

[rough lion]

40m…. That is DIABOLICAL range on an smg!

[radiant lintel]

yea and the aim assist on bully alone makes it even more insane

its like 2.3 or something its wild

[fleet radish]

Managed to open my first vault on Cryo, and got the Unique V99 Watchtower/Channel Rifle.

I would love to use it more, but I gotta know, compared to the Longshot and Outland, does it have anything going for it?

Is it only best in Triages hands with his EMP-ing enemies on shield break ability? Are there any possible builds to make it more viable, or is it better off as a 11k sell?

[radiant lintel]

I usually sell it since long shot is faster and outland doesnt need the charge up time compared to it. But if its a unique id use it tho idk what its exact unique buff is.

[quick path]

it just ADS's faster and charges up faster. unfortunately just outclassed by longshot/outland

[main apex]

imo it’s only good in very specific situations and you’d have to build the gun just right to get any use out of it, comparing to the other snipers.

[vapid plank]

I am so blind I thought u had a Marc Zuckerberg pfp 😭

[rough lion]

That hurts 😓

[torn tapir]

WHAT IS THIS

[storm drift]

anyone use any handy web tools, sites, api's whatevs for marathon and do you(s) have a url/app suggestion(s)?

[storm drift]

Like metaforge or the like

[twin estuary]

What is what

[torn tapir]

what is buildcrafting

[white lion]

we buildcraft

[fallow grove]

The purples and the greens are far better imo

I just got the gold from cryo and was stoked until I read what it does

“Couldn’t I just use energy amps” “this is just a win more type of core”

Fresh install, EMP cooldown reduction, no good deed, and the one that speeds up the healing are one of his best utility

Which I assume most triage players are playing triage for

[twin estuary]

Discussing the way certain abilities, implants, and cores mix and match; weapons and weapon mod combinations; how to get the most out of cheap builds, how to spend a build into being broken

Things like that

[cinder quiver]

speaking of triage, how does battery overcharge's boost the performance of your weapons work exactly. more damage?

also does emp have any additional effect beyond stopping ability cooldowns

[twin estuary]

Nothing increases damage afaik. I believe it increases handling/accuracy stats

[turbid ivy]

it increases weapon stats, and makes volt weapons emp enemies on shield break

the only thing that changes a weapons damage profile would be special things like gold mods, like modifying rpm etc

i believe there's also a gold mod that allows v85 to charge an extra level to do more damage

[turbid ivy]

i believe the initial emp prevents them from casting any abilities, then when it wears off it stops cooldowns

[livid carbon]

brief silence and then complete cd pause for long duration

[cinder quiver]

thanks all

[fast shuttle]

im so noob I had no idea, I was running triage for drones and revives mostly

[cinder quiver]

half of triage is healing and reviving, the other half is violently EMPing your enemies

[fast shuttle]

I run recon with my buddies and while the spider is useless, recon ulti is great for pushing and hunting down... and thats about it

[cinder quiver]

yeah recon needs some help

making the spiderbot not hella dumb would be a good start

[twin estuary]

Ticks are smarter ong

[unkempt musk]

anyone got some good builds for retaliator? just got a whole bunch of blue ones and looking to take them in withouthh cooking myself

[stoic nymph]

what does the gold strider do? what does it mean by "enable proximity sensor on radar"?

[prime flint]

The gun has a radar on it

It’s the little circle thing on the side of the gun

[twin estuary]

I like ready speed/ADS speed because the LMGs are so slow

Shield is mandatory

Scope is your call but I prefer small zoom scopes

Like less than x1.0

[zenith arch]

Does anyone know what Triage's battery overcharge does for non-volt weapons? All it says is increased performance; more damage? Better handling? Increased range?

[thin bison]

It definitely decreases recoil, but if it does anything else I can’t tell. There was a YouTube video that said it might increase RoF, but they weren’t sure.

[zenith arch]

Interesting, thanks for the info.

[distant patio]

I heard there is a gold mod for the v85(95?) shotgun that makes it just go through bubble shield. Is that true? If yes does it go through destroyer shield too?

[rough lion]

It FEELS like faster ads time, handling, and slightly better stability. But that’s entirely subjective, I don’t know if it’s actually doing all that or not

[zenith arch]

hmmm, thanks. I might actually do a little weapon sceince and find out once and for all.

[rough lion]

Weapon science 🔬🔬🔬🔬🔬

[edgy moth]

torch bug or mini jammer on longshot which would be better (both r blue btw)

[torn tapir]

i dont understand how important consumables are so i never bring them in loadout. only health and shields

[gleaming void]

anybody know what's up with this? Sprint Kit V2 on Thief gets rid of all of my heat capacity

[gleaming void]

Better ADS speed, reload time, recoil

[bright fern]

Hey, how does the Materialist perk on an ennahnced core work? It spawns extra items in your inventory?

[junior wedge]

Guys, is the Misriah exclusive to cryo? I've opened a lot of arms lockers in the other maps and not a single Misriah dropped outside of the single one I saw in Cryo ._. - I've heard people say it's better than the WSTR and was wondering if true?

[twin estuary]

Blue mini jammer 100%. It almost instantly activates on ADS

[twin estuary]

Very. Ive started bringing at least 1 mech kit and 1 OS debug in every run

I try to bring at least 1 signal jammer and I'll bring a cardio kick or an energy amp sometimes

[twin estuary]

Is it the sprint kit or the reinforced shield? Tho I think I did hear about this bug once

[twin estuary]

For each item with Materialist, you gain +1 of each salvage

So if you have 5 items with materialist, you get +5 of each salvage

And they can just be in your inventory, you dont even have to equip them

[deft sail]

ive gotten them from locked rooms on various maps

mainly outpost

[junior wedge]

So locked rooms and outpost seem to be my main options

Cryo is not something I can run often as I struggle reaching the 5k ante

[deft sail]

never gotten a down with it tho. im buns

[twin estuary]

It's probably not as instantly strong as a wstr but you dont have to reload it every 2 seconds

Afaik it's literally just the Halo 1 shotgun

[junior wedge]

I know people say it's good if you have the full auto mod the spawns exclusively in cryo (I think it's exclusive anyway)

[torn tapir]

lol you just said "i sometimes bring every consumable, sometimes"

[twin estuary]

Look it's not my fault I have to ration out my signal jammers 😭

[stoic nymph]

you mean the reticle or that left side?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wqGTTN68Flo

[storm salmon]

Do the V99 and Voltbreaker both trigger Triages EMP from the tactical ability?

[broken moth]

is shadow strike (melee from invis does more dmg, assassin) worth using? Looted one and i'm wondering if it actually matters for time to kill since normally 2 heavy melee kills anyways with high melee stat

[lime roost]

It's literally useless if youve upgraded your melee at all. Having melee above 100 serves no purpose

[slim swallow]

does it make sense to VIP CyAc first even though I've got heaps of unfinished priority contracts from others? they seem to have the sickest upgrades and don't require tons of rare salvage like others

[gilded minnow]

I did it first and don't regret it, but I'm sure there's a good argument for going arachne first since they shower you with meta guns, which in theory would make getting the rest done easier

[slim swallow]

I hate fighting in this game I'm a loot goblin by nature, just need guns as a necessary evil

way more interested in stacking stat upgrades

[pale dagger]

what do you mean? do all stats cap at 100?

[lime roost]

melee is hard capped to never 1 tap no matter how high your melee stat is

[jaunty bobcat]

Ok, I'll post here. over 100 hours of console SOLO play. Mainly as a Destroyer brought me here. If you find this helpful, I'm glad I could help. These mappings have improved my experience by 180 degrees

Marathon- Advanced Mapping For Console/Controller Users, XBOX layuot

Requirement: Controller with 2 extra mappable buttons/paddles
btw, I'm using the Gamesir G7 HE.

**Note!!!!: **
Left Paddle mapped to D-Pad Down
Right Paddle mapped to B button.

Character:
Fire: RT (Press)
Alt Fire: LT (Press)
Hold Zoom: LT (Press)
Cycle Zoom: Left Stick Click (Press)
Jump: Right Paddle (Press)
Toggle Crouch: Right Stick Click (Press)
Toggle Sprint: Left Paddle (Press)
Reload: X (Press)
Interact: X (Press)
Interact Secondary: Y (Press)
Prime Ability: LB + RB (Hold)
Tactical Ability: LB + RB (Tap)
Trait Ability: A (Hold)
Quick Melee: Left Stick Click (Press)

Light Attack: RT (Tap)

Heavy Attack: RT (Hold)

Use Equipment: RB (Double Press)

Open Equipment Radial: RB (Hold)

Quick Ping: LT + RB (Press)
Open Ping Radial Menu: LT + RB (Hold)

Equip Knife: A (Tap)

Switch Weapon: Y (Press)

Use Consumable: LB (Double Press)
Use/Open Consumable Radial: LB (Hold)

Swap Comms Radial: Left Paddle (Press)
Cycle Radial Item: D-Pad arrow UP (Press)
Give Up: Y (Press)
Open Loadout: Menu Button (Press)
Open Map: D-Pad Right (Press)

Toggle Weapon Action: D-Pad arrow left
 (Tap)
Proximity Voice Broadcast: D-pad arrow UP (Hold)

Push to talk: LT + D-pad arrow UP (Hold)

Runner Devices:
Flying Craft Ascend: RT (Press)
Flying Craft Descend: LT (Press)
Craft Primary Action: A (Press)
Craft Secondary Action: LB (Press)
Exit Craft: Right Paddle (Press)

[lime roost]

why would this matter

to build creating

[jaunty bobcat]

Because there’s no other places exactly for that info. Stop crying, I’m trying to help others

[lime roost]

you literally spammed that everywhere no offense

but thank you for your gracious gift

[jaunty bobcat]

Yeah, and someone pointed this channel as the most appropriate

[sharp cypress]

so true

they shouldve just put the tick ai into recon spidy

[haughty schooner]

Guys what if I skin myself who gets the goop?

[cinder quiver]

the nearest rook

[acoustic oak]

ticks will gobble it all up

[native nebula]

I VIP’d cyac just by doing the other priority contracts, so much stuff gives you cyac rep

But it definitely wouldn’t be a poor choice, they are v nice

Same with Arachne, I have done like a total of 4 Arachne quests and I’m vip 5 just from kills

[twin estuary]

I dont play a lot and I hit arachne 20 today just from trios with the guys

Them and cyac you just level up by playing

Really nice

[haughty schooner]

The only vip I still need is traxus and Sekiguchi

[twin estuary]

I will say tho that if you just use it as a grenade with some minor homing, it's not bad

[twin estuary]

Just cant depend on the tracking

[elder raven]

You will get better

[ebon bloom]

Does anyone else run knife only? I can finally cheaply hit the damage cap for melee and it’s super satisfying. I’ve been running dry drops knife only since launch and thoroughly enjoying it

[cinder quiver]

knife runs are fun

[acoustic oak]

Not really? Maybe if I was just doing a basic DCON contract?

[zenith arch]

Thanks. Is this confirmed somewhere, or your personal experience?

[vast lantern]

Do you use assassin or Destroyer?

[quick cipher]

Tell me more! What class and which maps do you run when doing these?

[ebon bloom]

Oh I run Thief with knife fight+arachne upgrades. And usually bionic legs

That’s it! It’s honestly pretty cheap and easy. And extremely satisfying all around. Even Cryo enemies aren’t too difficult with this setup. It gives the PVE a different kind of challenge. I still use guns against UESC if it’s going to prevent my teammates from exfiling in some way. It would be rude not to IMO.

[quick cipher]

Dang dude, I’m gonna try this!

[quick cipher]

TY!

[ebon bloom]

I’d also recommend mida priority upgrades for the energy boost or whatever

The priority unlocks are extremely worth it and give you about 6 really good free loadouts every day.

[quick cipher]

Dang dude. I didn’t realize this.. Gonna check it out

[ebon bloom]

Double greed is good for thief is also cheap and insanely good

That should be nerfed IMO it’s too good

[quick cipher]

That's a Thief Core right?

[ebon bloom]

Yeha a lot of the thief cores are great for movement

[arctic raven]

doubling isnt just repetative?

[ebon bloom]

Idk but don’t kill my vibes I’m gonna pretend it makes it even better. I’m not looking for facts just fun gameplay

[latent viper]

Do we know how much heal the alternative current weapon mod is giving ?

and if it's put on a shotgun do it proc on each pellets ?

[gray escarp]

Is it just me or do the 1 shot rail guns just not feel worth it over a sniper

I've just been selling them

[sharp sage]

Anyone used gold ZEUS rail gun? Seems decent with dealing 200 non precision damage, 20 magazine, NO spread hipfire or ADS, and only 0.65s charge time but I'm afraid to try using it

[sharp sage]

...that stacks? I thought cores didn't stack, since the assassin "increased smoke duration" doesn't

[lime roost]

Some do, some dont

[gilded minnow]

What does getting higher VIP actually give you? Just more faction loot per level? Anything specifically unique or good?

[olive remnant]

Just more loot from leveling them once they're VIPed and some extra unlocks in their tech trees to go for

[arctic raven]

Good loot. Like consistant purple packs from cyak

[lime roost]

Purple salvage

Occasional golds

[native nebula]

Yeah. Though once you max a faction, I’d go ahead and move to the other ones or finish the priority contracts

[radiant lintel]

wish they werent so secretive about how much weapon mod chips do like reckless behavior just says damage increased... please bungie

[old linden]

theyve been doing this since Destiny 2 💀

[balmy cliff]

in theory it should be good. Issue is youd have to play around the gun not have the gun play around you

which is why i think railguns are under utilized

hardly fits anyones prefered playstyle

[lime roost]

You can actually test this

Stryder has a health monitor

[proven mist]

since D1 lol

[bright fern]

Can you buy suppressors in the armory?

[acoustic oak]

Sometimes

actually, you might need to barter for them

right now, best bet is to just exfil immediately as a rook

assuming you have the capstone upgrade that gets you suppressed pistols

[small reef]

what is the preferred playstyle for the rail guns right now?

[lyric tinsel]

Railguns are just bad in general, if you want to use one you have to jiggle peak at the microsecond it goes off. It also can’t one shot unless it’s green and below which makes it useless in most lobbies that aren’t players under 10 hours. It’s has no consistent dps and has no kill potential only to act as med drainer and people bring 15-20 of both. My take but also stands for the higher end of game

[twin estuary]

only barter, and only sometimes. as accel said, rook exfil is the most consistent way

reminder that the suppressor on the punch also works for scars and volt throwers

[vast lantern]

As a Destiny player, rail guns feel like fusion rifles and are fun to use. Blue rail guns are quite powerful, but as JK47 stated, green and white guns don't pack that satisfying "punch".

[twin estuary]

Weapon damage does not increase with color

[lyric tinsel]

I was saying against green shield and no shield. Most RG can one shot headshot a green or no shield but not blue or up. At that point long shot does the same thing and it’s cheaper with faster rechamber

[bright spindle]

What effects weapon damage?

[gray escarp]

Everytime ive used a railgun i kinda just wish I had a sniper

[gilded minnow]

Certain chip mods affect railgun damage vs AI, or non-headshot damage while overheated, but I don't believe any meaningfully change headshot damage vs players.

[bright spindle]

Thank you

[ripe steppe]

Will having two High Voltage cores further reduce battery recharge for Triage?

[gilded minnow]

Most cores don't stack. I don't have a source for which ones do.

[twin estuary]

As far as I know, none do

[gilded minnow]

I've been told some do, but I haven't verified

[balmy cliff]

i wouldnt touch a railgun personally. but its just a peek weapon. popshots

[balmy cliff]

and if i did touch a railgun it would have to be gold zeus specifically

[small reef]

the gold zeus does seem interesting, but yea rails I have found to be fun in theory but just bad

[signal spindle]

Railgun to me is a sale, or something to use if I find it during a run and then sell after to fund my WSTR addiction

[viral ferry]

How do I make volt guns good?

[twin estuary]

You ever watch WANTED?

As long as you were locked on when the bullet is fired, it chases

You can use this to "fish" around cover by firing them slightly upward or to the side while locked on

The punch is actually the best holdout weapon imo

No changes really needed. Fast, reliable.

The volt thrower is the worst one

The scar is a really good backup/utility weapon but I wouldn't main it

[olive remnant]

Volt guns on Triage are wildly strong

Activate his overcharge and he EMPs his targets

I believe there are cores that take advantage of the EMP effect too

[signal spindle]

V11 punch is great for handling UESC on a budget

[cinder quiver]

it's great in general

[gilded minnow]

NGL the punch is just one of my favorite weapons, period.

Competitive TTK on a variety of ranges, good accuracy, large mag.

[sharp cypress]

do we have actually number on how much triage buffs the weapon

[olive remnant]

not sure on the numbers but having been on the otherside of it was nasty

[cunning panther]

I've warmed up to the punch

[tardy moss]

does anyone know how the Ornithologist chip works with automatic weapons? It makes loud bird sounds upon bullet impact, but is there a cooldown or something? Or does literally trigger with every bullet?

[lime roost]

remind me coobers

thiefs core that boosts speed when full inventory. does that stack?

[gilded minnow]

I've heard people who say that one in particular does, but the general rule is that they don't.

[lime roost]

good good, i have dream

of the ultimate rat build

[gilded minnow]

You'd have to test it, but with semiautos it only happens one bullet per activation period waited.

[tardy moss]

ah, so you probably have to wait for the aim-down-sight activation again huh

[gilded minnow]

At least on the Lookout it was like that for me, I'd imagine that it works that way for fully auto guns but could be wrong.

[tardy moss]

yeah, when I was using it on a Hardline PR I also noticed that it didn't work sometimes, so that was probably why

[fringe halo]

Anyone know how much bodyshot and headshot damage the v66 alt fire mode does?

[lyric tinsel]

I don’t think anyone uses the v66 enough to even know. Pretty sure it’s in the same category as the tactical sidearm as a do not use under any circumstance. 25$ v11 punch is better in every way

[gilded minnow]

Literally can't find it online, I looked.

However, I put two charged headshots into a green shield yesterday and it didn't down... so DPS wise it's always better to go with the regular fire, which is a 4 shot headshot kill on a green OR blue shield.

[gilded minnow]

Assuming perfect aim, the tactical is better than the punch, since the tactical has a higher headshot multiplier, and therefor higher headshot DPS.

However, assuming perfect aim from someone who isn't a streamer who does this game as a full time job is stupid, and the punch is better on 99% of the playerbase.

[low sundial]

Question regarding stats, specifically melee damage. Does melee damage have a stat cap? I got up to 145 but my friend said I am overcapping

[gilded minnow]

All stats cap at 100, as shown on the loadout screen.

You cannot benefit from having more than 100 of any stat.

[night snow]

Can I 1 shot with knife 200hp(purple shield) with 140 dmg melee dmg and golden core thats add damage as well while invisiable

[night snow]

Wonder what is base damage of knife and is it multiple on head

[graceful radish]

ive heard specific niche cores stack, also heard recons purple cluster payload core stacks, gonna have to test

[lyric tinsel]

I actually didn't know the sidearm has a higher hs multiplier. I know punch ttk is like 4 heads on blue shield at max range that's why I use it but maybe sidearm is worth checking out. Im no streamer or god by any means but I feel comfortable hitting heads that maybe its a solid budget choice for 1v3ing

[fringe halo]

thanks that's crazy wonder if it's a bug or if there's some hidden effect. Also punch is nice but not great at range

[steel osprey]

Good marathon build for vandal.
Cores:

Low profile
Out of dodge

Implants:
regen v2
Hurting hands v3
Bionic legs v2

Retaliator lmg
Accusight lens thermal
Control shield
Balanced belt
Torch bug mod

Sniper
Accu sight optic
Carson barrel
Feather mag
Bits per second mod

This will help with crowd control and far range fights. Same price as an encrypted sponsor kit. Ran a ranked game and shredded a purple and green shield with ONE MAG OF MY LMG! If you got these items then try it out and check my YouTube for marathon gameplay.

[radiant lintel]

enzyme rep on vandal is insane

[torn tapir]

give me essential Triage build

[main tusk]

Do we know what all stats for volt weapons are affected by Triage’s battery overcharge ability?

[deft sand]

Under the radar + enzyeme rep = infinite signal jammer it’s so nice

[radiant lintel]

if a vandal has that there would be no need for a buff lol but enzyme is hard to come by

[gilded minnow]

We don't. Nobody even knows if it affects damage or not.

I haven't found anyone who does testing in this community yet sadly.

[keen eagle]

Really need a firing range

I mean you can do it without but kind of a pain

[gilded minnow]

it's not hard to go into a match with a free kit and test damage on bots TBF

just nobody is interested in doing it *yet

[keen eagle]

That's true but what I mean is you are limited to the free kit weapons there. If we're talking about testing every Volt weapon that gets harder.

[robust coral]

Does anyone know if the flash draw chip stacks on the v66 with triages ability?

[gilded minnow]

I hate to break it to you, but nobody in the community knows how triage's ability even works.

Every person posts conflicting information on it and hasn't done thorough testing.

[robust coral]

Ahh got it. An EMP build sounds fun

[gilded minnow]

It does! LMK if it feels like it works if you try it!

[grizzled seal]

what's the new puzzle for destroyed wing now that they've updated it?

[lunar vortex]

pretty sure you gotta destroy 5 generators spread across the map

[robust coral]

Anyone want to test this build out for me? Or have any critiques?
https://marathonmeta.gg/builds/l/b1c85c1a7e

[twin estuary]

It Boosts Handling™

[gilded minnow]

Performance™

[twin estuary]

I think we've more/less narrowed it down to:

• faster swap time
• faster reload
• increased stability/decreased recoil
• faster ads

I think you can "expect" those 4 bonuses

[gilded minnow]

We can, based off bungie's past usage of the word performance.

However, those stats, especially reload are a giga weird thing to give to volt weapons as a bonus when you advertise his synergy with it, so I'm hoping we find out that the bullet velocity is also increased or something...

[twin estuary]

I wonder if it also makes them overheat slower/cool off faster

[gilded minnow]

If we have sekiguchi free kits today, tomorrow, or this weekend, I'll drop in and take some clips.

Velocity should be easiest to see on a volt thrower.

Overheat probably is easiest to see on... the AR? I actually never overheat anything but the punch tbh, and I'm not sure the slower fire rate would count as overheat or not.

testing the punch would be shitty because of the semiauto nature of it

results would be varied based on triggerpull speed

[twin estuary]

I dont think ive ever missed enough shots for the slower rpm to matter

(On a punch)

Scar would be easiest to see it on i think

It overheats fast

[gilded minnow]

I'll let you know, I have a scheme for the scar, I'll do a drop today and just load in with it, triage, and like 9 batteries lmao, spam shots with passive on, and passive off, record both, then we can check frame-by-frame

[twin estuary]

Scar imo is easiest to curve around cover with

[twin estuary]

Bet, I look forward to seeing the results

(Reminder that nucal free kits get a scar)

[gilded minnow]

Yeah reminder the v99 Lookout doesn't even overheat AFAIK so... idk.

The more the game goes on, the less I like triage. I really hope we find something interesting here like velocity, slower overheat, or if I can find footage of what EMP looks like to a victim (I've heard it gives a flashbang effect), because ATM improving performance for the cost of heat, and the short pause to abilities regen that EMP gives feels really smeh compared to other kits IMO.

IK I'm in the minority though so I'm not gonna say the class fantasy is bad, just the on-paper effects

[gilded minnow]

I didn't know this actually btw so I appreciate it

[loud cargo]

does anyone know of the unique circuit breaker goes through bubble shield?

[earnest stream]

Fill queue hates to see me on free scar day ngl

[proven parcel]

does self repair speed or revive speed affect how fast you self res?

[gilded minnow]

Started testing.

Bullet count remained the same when I shot, as did when the gun overheats, with and without buff. Already sad.

Calculating the handling is difficult. It seems faster, but might not be. I'll need to take more clips and compare. I accidentally fucked my reload data by manually hitting reload instead of letting it do it automatically (which should give purer data.)

Doesn't look very different as a reload though in normal time.

10% buff or something at best.

[gilded minnow]

Both with and without buff, scar reload is over 3 seconds, I can confirm that. Doesn't really look like it's changing reload numerically.

[cloud shore]

Does purple Stack Overflow add more rounds to WSTR magazine than green or blue? Just curious

[gusty shoal]

No. They all add 1 round

[cloud shore]

Ok thanks

[twin estuary]

Revive speed. Self repair speed is for healing items

[dapper idol]

Yesn't, last couple days I've had the green one giving me 2 extra rounds for a 4 round dump

[robust coral]

Thinking about a destroyer knife build, what do you guys think?

https://marathonmeta.gg/builds/l/9e1ca32ff4

[twin estuary]

Wait until knife nerfs drop before committing

We dont know how theyre planning them yet

[cinder quiver]

or, you know, try it out now while it's good

[twin estuary]

"Learn thief grapple tech"

[cinder quiver]

i hope all the thief players who knew the trick had fun with it before it got removed

[cedar pebble]

Guessing Signal Jammers are gonna become a bit more common with the upcoming Recon buffs.

[deft sand]

Under the radar + Syentheic Disinjector = inf singls jammer on vandal

[cedar pebble]

Now we're build crafting lol, and she's getting buffs as well.

[deft sand]

Each slide is a 30 second signal jammer

[cedar pebble]

I expect she'll be important to Recon counterplay, Rook's tactical probably disguises its signal as UESC too

[flint rover]

how are your names different?

[deft sand]

./nick

[hot wharf]

finally

[hot wharf]

wait yea

builds will completely change in like 2 ish weeks

[upbeat minnow]

Does anyone know what restoration field refers to for triage? I was looking at cores and I don’t see that description at all for any of triage abilities

[tropic phoenix]

probably an unused core for an old ability they forgot to remove

i havent seen one in game

[proud mango]

Not sure this is the best place for this but I just saw some buffs coming to recon specifically want to discuss the drone.

A few days ago I was running the faster/further core and the shrapnel purple core (not pertinent to the tracking)

I was at station on the catwalk away from the main build shot a guy in the building that the lock boxes spawn in. He dipped behind cover and I tossed the drone.

It seemed to randomly be searching (poorly as most times).
Teammate pushed in and got the elimination.

Here is the important bit: I then saw another ruuner at the main building entrance and pinged him and shot unable to down before he fell back in the building.

My drone like a hawk B-lined it to murder them. ( Failed because it ran out of time).

Biggest point is I think tracking is based off pings potentially and we have all just been using it wrong.

Curious if anyone has had similar experiences

[sharp cypress]

it literally said in the desc to seek out enemies, if its need ping to work barely decent then whats the point

lets see what theyre gonna do to buff it next patch

[acoustic oak]

I don't think the ping made any difference, sometimes it does track remarkably well

[novel bolt]

Signal Jammers cannot be purchased.

[acoustic oak]

good

the less theyre available, the more claymore kills I get

[acoustic oak]

What do we think about swapping the Assassin abilities around + some changes?

Have the smoke drop as a passive/automatic trigger when falling from great heights, but also reduce the width of the smoke

[cerulean plinth]

very much against an automatic trigger, sometimes you drop out of necessity and don't want to smoke drop
also imagine getting spotted far off by an accidental smoke discharge

and lowering its width is a question of whether or not it will be any useful then
i kind of think assassin is in a decent spot as he is, altho overused in solos

[acoustic oak]

Thats a fair point

Could be interesting to scale width with height

But then you could do some silly things lol

[cerulean plinth]

i forgot if it negates fall damage or not

[acoustic oak]

I think it does

Hardly ever find myself using it, maybe once or twice at most

Most discussion I hear and read about the invisibility ability is to put it as the prime/main/ultimate

Swap the smoke disc ability and invis around

[cerulean plinth]

i dunno, honestly can't tell you anything about invis
in every game it's ever been it's always been either overpowered or underpowered
but always annoying to play against

assassin has good cores that synergize with smokes tho, I like that they leaned into that a lot and not just "he is invisible, bottom text"

[acoustic oak]

I think its in a pretty good place right now, ability wise. You can't toggle it on and off at will, makes enough noise when active and you're quite visible when sprinting

Could do with maybe increasing visibility when stationary, maybe a shimmer. I like how Planetside 2 handled it

[cerulean plinth]

yeah, i only ever get gotten by it if its used in a creative way these days, came a long way since i was getting ratted on outpost

[gloomy sundial]

Is there any info on the additional damage to usec weapon chip

Or do we still not have data on damage amounts cause it’s bungie

[acoustic oak]

no known data

[cinder quiver]

i figure its the case, but volt weapons deal extra damage to shields, right?

they seem somewhat better at taking down uesc

[cedar pebble]

Electrical damage doing extra damage to bots makes sense

[loud cargo]

are there any counters for the compiler gun?

[cinder quiver]

shooting first or running away

i've yet to encounter one in the field, luckily

[robust coral]

The gold v00 Zeus? And down em before they can shoot.

[cloud shore]

how good is the gold sidearm mod

[round dagger]

What in gods name is this M77 gold mod? Is it just stronger long/midrange with stacks?

[cloud shore]

Precision dmg/kills on iron sights grant stacks that you then burn on the proper optic

Lowers optic fire rate but increases stability and precision damage

[lapis obsidian]

can anyone confirm if different scopes cause different glares? i saw someone say that the Long Scope was creating a mini-sun at their location or something

[livid shard]

Where do you guys get all your info on guns and mods and stuff?

[mighty raft]

From the game

[mellow turret]

yea it creates a yellow light, doesn't' need to be ested is known fact

[lapis obsidian]

im asking if different scopes cause different glares. like does a long scope cause way more glare than say an accuscope

[burnt thunder]

what should i be putting on the mis

[simple gust]

i think invis could use louder audio cues but is fine otherwise

they could maybe nerf super slow walking with it w/ controller

[round dagger]

Is it good?

[cloud shore]

Seems good from what I’ve seen, only gold mod I’ve actually found myself is the fucking Sidearm one so can’t speak from experience

[olive remnant]

I don't think controler should be able to slow walk, especially since there's no binding for it on PC

[gusty shoal]

yes imo

the M77 is already quite solid, and the gold helps give it a lot of flexibility for the med-long range fights. Helps it compete against the heavier precision rifles

[steep coral]

Wow I had never really even thought about PC not having that. Super slow walking is busted I use it a lot

[gilded minnow]

We do NOT have confirmation of this statistically anywhere.

Nobody has published testing showing it's true either.

It may be true, but we don't know it for sure yet, please share if you find someone who shares evidence.

[wooden vault]

weapon-wise it might be different but yes Volt guns damage shields faster and the most effective againts the shield compared to the most of other guns

[hollow tusk]

whats a good gold scar build w triage?

[balmy cliff]

id assume something like circuit tracers and whatever gives you a bigger mag size

[cinder quiver]

i'd like to amend my previous statement: https://old.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1sbz4pg/psa_the_bd_has_an_exploit_you_should_avoid_cryo/

it's a telesto situation, dont bring your good stuff to cryo archive

[bleak flower]

On mnk, what are the best superior barrels and chips for magnum and ce sidearm

and are there any prestige mods for these weapons besides pistol scope and ghost muzzle?

is there an accurate site with all the mods/chips/rollable perks?

[twin shore]

what is slow walking

[signal spindle]

On a controller you can push the stick a tiny bit to move quieter and slower, on pc you can't partially press WASD so you're locked into standard jog or sprint

Afaik

So a controller player can creep around very slowly and quietly without footstep sounds compared to a kb/m player

[twin shore]

Thank you bro appreciate that

[pearl basalt]

You can do similar on PC by quick taps. Its a learning curve to do well, but has similar/same results. You can further improve it by ADS to reduce your walking speed while doing it.

[signal spindle]

Regrettably I play on controller and am part of the problem

[pale fossil]

Recon mains, what implants do y'all like to run?

[gusty shoal]

Intuition is great but I’ve only ever gotten it once

I like cluster payload + hot pursuit

The drone becomes a big deal for corridor fights when you get to actually build it

[tulip summit]

eye in the sky, on the trail

and hot pursiuit too, yea

[pale fossil]

I mean Head, Chest, and Legs lol not cores

[pale fossil]

It'll be even better once the buffs go live too

[tulip summit]

- never drink and discrod. ping V3-4 survial kit

:]

for legs i like distance runner too but solid stance seems to be a fav. amongs others

[gusty shoal]

oops. W reading comprehension from me

[tulip summit]

same

[gusty shoal]

i feel like implants are a lot more specific to how you play

im a fan of ping/regen head bionic legs/distance, but i kinda just go for traits on the core

[pale fossil]

Copy, I have been trying for augmented capacitors for head to get the prime back faster but ping honestly is prob better

[severe yew]

yeah what they said

[cedar pebble]

making me want to go ahead and buy the Marathon Dualshock 5 to use on PC

[cinder quiver]

variable movement speed is one of the few things i miss on mouse and keyboard

[signal spindle]

they should add a hotkey option to like, toggle slow walk

[cedar pebble]

anti-sprint

[bleak flower]

you could always try to play hybrid. controller in left hand for movement, mouse for aim.

Ironhold vs Precision vs Weighted barrels comparison for Magnum MC?

[cinder quiver]

i like the barrels that suppress sound or reduce recoil, myself

[wicked solar]

I need a shooting range I wanna try so many attachments and also track them xD

[bleak flower]

I think suppressor is the most useless during a duel, and is nice because others might not hear you. But reduced recoil or increased range directly affect the performance during a 1v1 which is more important than potentially avoiding some third party attack

[wicked solar]

There are special keyboards that have a built in Controller stick might be something for you

[burnt thunder]

is there a thing that shows the rewards for all the faction main quests?

[plush stump]

Suppressors can be quite good as it makes it so the person you’re shooting doesn’t get the arrows showing where the shooting is coming from

[olive stratus]

I’m doing a triage build, I’ve got Volt thrower with Overcharge lens (consecutive hits cause explosions) and Alternating Current (massive hp+shield when damaging EMP enemy). Any specific implants or cores I need? I usually play thief so don’t know triage items well

[gritty lintel]

does anyone know if high rarity Stack Overflow chips will reload the WSTR more than 3 shells?

[keen zodiac]

3 bullets for all rarities

[rough lion]

Cores would be high voltage and electron recapture sinks to maximise uptime on your battery overcharge. For implants, I personally like running regen on head, survival kit on body and bionic leg upgrades on legs as these give good combo of high healing/self healing and agility. Perks I usually aim for the ones that ping enemies if you get hit with full shields or if you hit them with a grenade. Or the one that gives you speed when you break a shield

[bleak fern]

Does anybody know how much bonus damage do you get from sucker punch? is it even possible to combo 1 shot body misriah + quick melee

[severe yew]

mhmm

[neat hedge]

Curious about what people prefer on their Retaliator/Demolition builds

Circuit Tracers is BiS obviously. As for the rest, I've been preferring the Clear-Eyed Lens, Cloudfeather Belt, and Duelist Shield to min-max their ADS times and reload times.

still experimenting but that's by far the best feeling combo on LMGs, especially when combined with the Lock N' Load core on Destroyer.

[steel osprey]

hey I'm building a website (my first time building one so it won't be very good) for different builds you can find it on my youtube. I am not what so ever done with it so in a couple days I might have it ready and I will come back and tell more about it.

pc or laptop is recommended

[round dagger]

What is the play with the V85 CIrcuitbreaker? Fullcharging and hipfire or ads or what?

[round dagger]

The supressor on the bully makes it a waste of time to ADS within like 15-20 feet

Ive sprayed down full teams with one drum and suppressor before, its actually insane while backpedaling/strafe

[gusty shoal]

Full charge ADS

[unkempt musk]

is the har any good? taking it into a run with this

[neat hedge]

Too expensive and only marginally better than the M77 IMO

[unkempt musk]

ya finished some raids with it, and honestly the recoil is attrotius and like you said only marginally better

[leaden ore]

Hipfire is easier. Doesn't seem to be very good in my experience however.

3 fully charged shots to green shield chest about 4 meters away and the guy I was shooting didn't die.

Compared to WSTR it's pretty mid

[lilac frost]

Isn’t there a website you can see all the mods and cores??

[leaden ore]

Metaforge prolly

[balmy cliff]

you didnt hit every shot then, or even pellet

[leaden ore]

Could have been desync tbh I been having network problems last few days.

[severe yew]

Exactly always doing to much.

[burnt thunder]

do stats have a maximum cap? i cant break 40m range on my bully

like i have 40m with 2 mods, i put on a third that increases range but it stays at 40

[vale holly]

Does anyone know what chips the unique LMG and channel rifle from cryo archive come installed with?

[west flower]

the bully specifically is hardcapped at 40 meters

impossible to go above it with mods

bungie wanted to reign in the demon universe destroyer smg

[burnt thunder]

Foiled again

[nimble cloud]

tbf 40 meters is like insane range

[left kraken]

Are silencers actually worth using? What do they actually do?

[strong rock]

it lowers your sound profile when you fire your gun which lowers UESC detection range and to an extent, other players from hearing your shots

it also has notable benefits to your gun like lower recoil or better control, depending on the gun its on

[cinder quiver]

silencers are my favorite barrel attachments

[earnest shell]

They're my favorite too, found some blue ones the other night and they're really quiet.

[left kraken]

I’m truly just curious how far away you can hear shots as a player. There are no videos out there on it.

[round dagger]

Silencers also remove the red arrows that show where you're shot from

[storm glade]

if i equip two of the same core will the effect stack, for example, increased ability timer on cloak

[cinder quiver]

so what am i missing with this contract to defeat hostiles with runner abilities

i've destroyed bots with several damaging abilities, even downed a runner with triage's big zap

nothing counts

it says hostiles so bots should count

turns out some abilities just dont count

destroyer's search and destroy worked fine

[twin estuary]

Wait real? I have like 5 ballistic silencers

[twin estuary]

Same name cores do not stack

There's apparently some exceptions but no one has given me a straight answer on what they are

[storm glade]

okay cause double stacking purple core cload duration timer seems busted

[round dagger]

Yes.

It's a little repulsive for cqc if you can nail someone as rook or coordinated nuke someone with ur teammates

[acoustic oak]

Suppressors are amazing, I do not use my V11 Punch or Bully without one

Been farming them via Rook runs, just a straight bee line to the nearest guarded exfil

I bet they'll change it so that all the Rook gear you start with needs a matter fixative in order to receive on exfil

[sharp cypress]

honestly its not that hard either way

unless you go ooga booga and decided to kill cmdr while surrounded by other bots

[acoustic oak]

oh yeah, its not too difficult to get one

it just stops people from running straight to the exfil to farm suppressors and claymores

[cinder quiver]

noo not my suppressor and claymore farm

[nimble pebble]

Is there any use for the Ornithologist chip mod at all? Or is it just a complete meme?

[acoustic oak]

Seems like a big meme tbh

It's a catch 22, by using it, you either will scare people away since they hear the bird noise or; attract people to the noise

[storm prairie]

i feel most teams just ignore birds but idk

[nimble pebble]

I got confused watching Drewsky's weapon tier list video and he was saying ornithologist on the Impact AR is good for some reason? Wtf was he on about?

[acoustic oak]

I've had a couple of interactions where the birds have given away my location or have given away the location of another player before

But you're better off using any other mod tbh

[nimble pebble]

Yeah I've never used it, it seems like complete garbage but thought maybe I was missing something

[wanton cradle]

Anyone know anyway to look at implants cores and attachments without having them in your vault or on you,some way in game or website ?

[tropic phoenix]

https://tauceti.gg

[slate fox]

Ornithologist gives ADS speed as well. With higher rarity the speed increases

[cedar mortar]

this may sound silly but I genuinely get excited when I get a purple version cause I use it to stick on my enduring/bloodthirsty guns to sell for big $$

that way I don't have to feel bad about selling an actually useful purple chip

[cinder quiver]

combined with a suppressor i imagine it could be quite effective

make them look west, approach from the east

[nimble pebble]

Good to know, thanks

[distant cave]

how to fix error weasel someone pls help

[storm prairie]

reboot your router or modem it is not something we can really fix for you

[lone finch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/s/fyPXywbDhB

Heres a knife guide for anyone or specifically assassins who worship arachne.

[sick meadow]

Is there a buildcrafting subreddit or forum?

r/marathon is lackluser

[fading cosmos]

Bot

[cedar pebble]

@clear fossil bot

[grizzled seal]

skin the rook

[broken lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-dance-arachne-bungie-marathongame-gif-6049519290805996885

[rocky tundra]

whats the best gun to deal tiwh bots?

[acoustic oak]

Anything but the hardline

oh and maybe the repeater too

[versed wigeon]

bungie

[acoustic oak]

bungie

[olive remnant]

I really like Volt Weapons for them, basically any of them are really good at it.

[grizzled seal]

bungie

[cloud shore]

Repeater can 1 crit recruits btw

[acoustic oak]

yeah but so can the magnum for cheaper

[cloud shore]

If I had to pick anything that I wouldn’t use vs UESC, I’d say shotguns for ammo conservation and also the Lookout feels weirdly bad against them from my experience

[cloud shore]

Yeah but the Magnum is also hot booty cheeks without 6274959 credits worth of mods on it

I’d rather try and snipe with a shotgun than use base Magnum

[acoustic oak]

aw I wouldnt say its that bad, I like to use the suppressor on it at least

[rocky tundra]

Ty

[fierce rune]

@covert pendant Just tell me the reason why you block me when you yourself said u would get me Marathon? What did I do??

[dapper idol]

Repeater with the chip that reloads on precision kill is infinite ammo one shot against base bots, 4 shots for blue shields.
Against runners it's 3 headshots for a kill against any shield so it's fantastic as a multi purpose weapon

Obviously it's not the easiest to use and is absolutely not suitable for ultra close range or ultra long range.
But building around it shouldn't be too hard and you can absolutely use it to viciously maul enemies into wanting to back away from the fight

(Delay because I was in the middle of the countriside)

[thorny solstice]

Is the assasin gold melee damage core just melee stat or does it actually make you deal more damage?

[scenic dew]

I believe it’s a multiplier if I’m thinking of the right core

[rough lion]

My understanding is that mips weapons do worse against bots by design

[maiden palm]

How do I maximize my offensive capabilities as a Destroyer

[rocky prism]

How do I know with enduring weapons the max amount of times the value increases?

[severe yew]

you use all of them @rocky prism

[feral brook]

Does anyone know of a build that would let you throw a recon tracker drone like every 10-15 seconds? Some guy was absolutely spamming our squad with tracker drones the other day and I'm trying to figure out if he cooked with his build or if he was cheating/exploiting.

Is there like a chip that gives cooldown after you do damage or something? Trying to figure out how he did it

[olive remnant]

Energy Amps also exist

[feral brook]

if they were legit im sure energy amps were involved

[cinder quiver]

maxed tactical recovery and energy amp, i imagine

[olive remnant]

It already only has like 30-40 second cool down no?

[feral brook]

yeah maybe I'm exaggerating but it really felt after I shot one there was another one on the way already

it was super annoying

based on some napkin math by default maxed + amped should be one every 18-19sec

so maybe that's what it was

but it felt like more than that

guess I gotta try it

[blissful lantern]

Hey, is there a reliable source to get information for general mods and chips I should be looking for for the season that I can check out?

[gusty shoal]

tacotimmer has made a pretty good chip video on youtube

it goes over the main ones to look for and what considerations go into deciding which mod to select

[blissful lantern]

If you have any more pls lmk I did see that vid wen it came out, great video

[acoustic oak]

https://marathondb.gg/mods/ maybe?

You can sort through the mods and everything else

One mod it is missing is the Spectre Protocol

Purple leg mod, invisible on precision kills

oh that might actually be a chip mod

Had it once or twice in the past, its a goated mod

[acoustic oak]

I feel its very situational, certainly can build around it but tough to put into actual use

Majority of the time I would pick a V66 or Stryder over the Repeater though, most fights arent going to be on your terms

[edgy moth]

sum1 make a funny build called "The Batter"

ig itd involve grenades + vandal cause ball

[ivory helm]

I’m going for agility, loot speed, fall damage and self repair stats on thief. Wish I could send a video of the cores and implants . Yall think that’s solid?

[olive remnant]

plays into her strengths

[oblique axle]

https://marathondb.gg/implants/traits/

[slim swallow]

1. when you queue solo, do you only get matched up with other solo players?
2. if so, how many of them are there on each map?
3. if 1 is true, do rooks spawn into these solo matches too?

[runic musk]

yes
no clue(lot of mixed answers)
no

[magic brook]

It’s definitely an implant, not a chip

[nimble pebble]

Is going above 100 in a stat a awaste?

for example melee dmg

[olive remnant]

1. Solos is only solo players.
2. Depends on the map but at most 8 I think and at least 6.
3. no rooks in Solo games.

[alpine kernel]

anyone know if buffs from Rocket Start/Insomniac/Lucky Looter etc. work with Triage's shareware?

[severe yew]

they say who ever is front of the gun lives forever

[cinder quiver]

hmmmmmm not sure of that build if i'm honest

[round orchid]

so the volt shotgun was the true bubble counter all along

[naive dawn]

What are some good stats to go for with a destroyer build? Any good implants to unlock in the factions? Any recs are appreciated 👌🏽

[robust coral]

I wanted to do a crackhead destroyer build with rocket start chipmod and bull rush and intake vent cores. Just mainlining cardio kicks and energy amps

[cunning gale]

does anyone know exactly how many credits the differing rarities of Bounty Hunter pay per UESC kill?

[night snow]

I love agility, heat capacity in implants

Regeneration v5 head is smooth as well, you can regen a lot freely just pooping shield

Also to add full melee build like bully+shotgun and u are good to go

[lofty cedar]

i just do regen, surv kit, bio leg. depending on color and upgrades you already have with factions, can near max or max self repair, agi, revive

[floral trellis]

hey i have a "punishment" chip mod that does more against sph't combatants.

what exactly are "sph't combatants " and when exactly would this be useful?

[steel girder]

the compiler boss

sph't are aliens

[floral trellis]

ahhh thank you

[gloomy dock]

jumping in with (current) solo map counts
Perimeter: 9
Dire Marsh: 11
Outpost: 8

u can check by loading into a round, immediately quitting then looking at your recently played with list

[hearty yacht]

11 on dire marsh is wild.

[solemn salmon]

High IQ, nicely done

[swift crow]

is there any decent knowledgebase or database for this game? my web searches are full of incomplete bs articles. here's what i want to know right now: how many seconds does each rarity of Backgroud Process chip mod take for the weapon to reload?

[sick meadow]

@swift crow taucetti.gg is decent. but it's missing the informationn you're looking for

[swift crow]

where are the autistic savants with all of this useful information?

WE NEED YOU

[lilac dome]

Yeah we really gotta lock in as a comm

LMFAO

[coral bloom]

I give it till next wipe when people have a d2foundry equivalent for this game with drop tables and pathing

If we had a shooting range we could afford to do that kind of testing

the current environments we have access to are too involved for comprehensive testing to be done in a reasonable amount of time

[dire cobalt]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xiBwYPWsJbQKErFKXBS89ZKFSEXM3BcF9XXASIkjAak/edit

if you want weapon information here

[lyric jewel]

I dont know for the weapon mod thing but for the implant knife mod i think it gives 23 credits a kill and i think it scales base on the npc you kil.

[lyric jewel]

with ane energy amp that is definitely possible but also an underated core is glass cannon that increases ability regen when your shields get cracked. a 30 sec cool down will be reduced to 10 temporarily and it also applies to the ult too.

[spiral veldt]

is Salt Wages goated with the sauce

[timid zealot]

yo the CE pistol kinda fucks

[lyric jewel]

na thats console aimbot or whatever speaking its trash

[olive remnant]

Yeah if you can aim~ I like the Magnum more though

[dire cobalt]

it just needs more range

it feels good against lower shield players imo

clean 2 taps

[cloud shore]

give us a purple triage core where hacked med drones can tox hostile runners

[karmic badger]

Feel like legendary core should also give teammates battery overcharge with shareware but idk how they’d balance that with the increased heat

[cloud shore]

The increased heat is the balance to be fair

[karmic badger]

Yeah I think something like that would be great with a coordinated team. I feel like triage needs better core options he feels mid when you could play destroyer assassin or thief instead ngl

[pure loom]

I saw runners have some kind of shield on their rifle/lmg.. so what is it? A mod?

[gleaming plaza]

Yea LMGS have a bottom right slot mod thats a shield

[noble basalt]

Why does BRRT SMG have a separate delay data. Is that factoring in the delay between each burst?

[dire cobalt]

Yep. One for delay between shots the other raw DPS if you peek and shoot. Reason for this is the yellow mod too

[stable shadow]

most likely LMG and using a shield mod on it

[noble basalt]

I see, damn. Was hoping the BRRT to perform better than this lol. I love the aesthetic of the weapon but it kinda sucks

[dire cobalt]

Ok mb that was the old chart. The new one factors in human error

If you don’t have perfect timing between bursts your DPS functionally lowers

Cuz let’s be real who is tapping burst to the milliseconds perfectly

It’s basically a buffer range of expecting your DPS

[noble basalt]

Ah, that makes sense

So in theory if you master the timing it shreds

[dire cobalt]

Hence the ? It’s basically a buffer range with your typical ttk factoring in human error into it (don’t remember the value this person used)

You can check out cool guy they’re a battlefield player on YouTube covering marathon stuff

[dire cobalt]

As someone who is already diamond in marathon, GM in overwatch, onyx in like every halo, and eternity in rivals

The room to “master” the burst is pretty thin. It’s literally like 20 milli seconds of delay between bursts considering basic human error (also server input delay)

That latter bit especially hurts the brrt

Holy

[noble basalt]

Sad brrrt noise

[dire cobalt]

Mistyped milliseconds as seconds

☠️

They need to add a pre fire mechanism to burst guns imo like halo and destiny does

Where if you click just before the burst ends the server will pick it up shoot again

It removes the realm of the buffer and adds a region to account for that human error

[noble basalt]

Just lemme hold down the trigger lol

[dire cobalt]

That would be nice too like Baptiste from overwatch.

But still I think they should add that feature for guns like the twin tap and br

[pure loom]

And which mod is it

[dire cobalt]

Also ngl if you time this right I genuinely think LMGs with shields absolutely dunk on smgs and ars

I never use smgs and ars anymore lol

[dire cobalt]

It’s the lmg shield slot there’s green, blue, purple, and yellow mods for them.

It’s the lower right slot option for LMGs (only fire shields)

You have to activate the shield with a button

Z for pc and left on dpad for console

If you want to refresh the shield cuz the charge is low drop the weapon and pick it up.

[dire cobalt]

I think if you run triage and hit the overcharge ability there is especially no reason not to run lmg (this ability drastically improves handling, sprint to fire, and ads speed)

[sinful estuary]

Do we have any better resources for map data than tauceti.gg? the contribution process there is kind of convoluted and a lot of info is missing

[unkempt musk]

the lmgs are actually insane alot of the time, same range if not better then ars, the shield is pretty helpful, and even just a full green lmg has virtually no recoil\

anyways whats yalls go to build on assasin for cryo, might try it for the first time

[dire cobalt]

Imo the meta rn is basically:
Snipers
shotguns
Lmgs with shields
and certain dmrs

the ars and smgs are only valid with some gold mods like a gold bully or gold volt thrower (the base volt thrower is ass but with a gold mod it turns into a needler with explosions for successive hits)

[unkempt musk]

i mean the purple bully does kind shred, and a blue one is pretty good if you can suprise someone

[dire cobalt]

it's fine but also like.... if you use an lmg with a shield it just molly whops any bully user in terms of range, damage, mag size, and the shield to top it off

the cqc ttk of the bully is 1 second and that falls off pretty quick. The demolition is 1.067, the retaliator 1.1, and the conquest 0.889. The Demo kills way way faster with headshots too

[unkempt musk]

ive seen the demo absolutely shred people but tbh i cant stand how slow the fire rate, even if its insane i honestly prefer the retaliator

[dire cobalt]

the demo requires a lot more skill yeah. If you miss you die

The demo is a lot better when sticking to cover cuz you just gotta land individual shots and not require sustained tracking fire as harshly

[unkempt musk]

oh ya, ive gotten screwed over using it before

[tight dagger]

The assault rifle shreds tho, and native dual optics

[dire cobalt]

They’re fine but like

Gl getting through an lmg shield

The ranges that smgs and ars perform at are also the ranges lmg perform at

Again this is excluding gold mods

[tight dagger]

I meant THE assault rifle, not "assault rifles in general"

[dire cobalt]

Gold bully is nuts

[tight dagger]

Like the one actually named Assault Rifle

[dire cobalt]

The impact HIAR?

It’s solid yeah probably my favorite but again like

Gl dealing with the very similar demolition lmg

[tight dagger]

The M77

[dire cobalt]

Or even the retaliator

Oh that one

Yeah retaliator dunks on that

The main thing that keeps LMGs at their king status is the shield ngl

I might be biased cuz I play destroyer and triage but

Destroyer can bypass movement penalties with his sprint

And triage with overcharge makes the ads time stupid fast and sprint to fire speed nuts

[tight dagger]

Oh yeah I hear ya, but honestly in all my games, most people don't use it

[dire cobalt]

Those people are kinda just dumb imo and honestly

If you brought an lmg with a shield

You’ll just be in a better position in that gun fight

I’ve had gun fights with like a solid 3 idiots all running ars

And I’m able to demolition them all in the head

[tight dagger]

No need to call people idiots

[dire cobalt]

Well

It’s less for their weapon choice

More for their awareness

In no realm should I get away Scot free in a 1 v 3 situation

Even with an lmg shield

It’s just the shield actually made that shizz possible ☠️

Ig its a bit harsh i just wanted a succinct term to describe yeah they were like

Extremely unaware

And in no realm should I have won that gun fight lol

[alpine prawn]

What’s the best precision rifle?

[sinful estuary]

volley rifle

br33 volley

[alpine prawn]

Yeah I think it’s my favourite

[cloud shore]

The people yearn for gold chips, Bungie

Give us Circuit Tracers that completely reloads the mag

Slip Protocol that eliminates all recoil

Stack Overflow that doubles the mag size

Torch Bug that has frag nade damage

This would be completely fair and balanced

[fallow cobalt]

😐

[steel osprey]

Bully smg with Misriah is a beast good for flanks. That paired with low profile and an enzyme suppressant is easy scan deflect

For a short time tho

[summer moat]

has anyone tried the stopping mag prestige for impact h-ar? just got it.

[deft sand]

@steep knot

[keen zodiac]

does the gold ammo pack work with the wstr?

[gusty shoal]

yeah it's like the one time har is better than bully

[white lion]

what if i dont

[tropic phoenix]

does this server even have mods

[sinful estuary]

no deadass like

[tropic phoenix]

huge

ty whoever that was

[nimble pebble]

There is no benefit to going over 100 in a stat correct?

[cinder quiver]

if there isnt, stats above 100 would act as a buffer against stat lowering

(i think)

[nimble pebble]

That's why I don't really understand the melee changes. If the breakpoint for melee dmg is 84 or something, you only need like 1 implant to hit max possible melee dmg with only 1 melee dmg upgrade from Arachne

[fallow cobalt]

Believe it’s 95 melee to kill a purple shield with the knife combo

[cloud shore]

please god don’t nerf the WSTR slug range, that shi is so funny lmfao

[cinder quiver]

shotgun nerfs are always morally wrong

[pure loom]

Hey hey i saw LMG with shield..which mod is it

Some green and i ever saw red

[radiant lintel]

wstr shouldnt be allowed to stack overflow its dumb as hell

[lofty cedar]

all lmg have shield attachment other than conquest i think? i beleive the color is based on the health of the shield

[pure loom]

Did I miss something? I never saw my own lmg's shield lol

[lofty cedar]

default key is z

its the button to toggle alternate modes

it can bug sometimes and if it just doesnt turn on, switch weapons but let the animation finish and switch back

[pure loom]

Oh my.. it need to be activated 😕

[lofty cedar]

yeah same way m77 can flip its other sight on

or v99 volt rifle can switch to charge mode

[pure loom]

Whuut

[lofty cedar]

yeauh the more u know

[pure loom]

Alot variables i missed, 1 and many tht made me dead easily

[gloomy sundial]

Found a fun combo, Triage using a weapon with the cardio kick weapon chip, the implant sub stat that makes you invisible on precision kills. Just sprint around and get precision kills to give your team free heals, cardio kicks, and invis, very strong in pve and pvp

[light vale]

bruh ur picture

[hollow palm]

I main triage and wanna try this how’s the chip called ? Wanna try this but are you sure its possible to share invis ?

[nimble pebble]

I never thought about those buffs being shared with crewmates

That is so cool

[gusty shoal]

Rocket Start chip, Spectre Protocol on a body implant

[strong kraken]

how do i see how many stacks i have with the m77 gold mod?

[heady kite]

It’s still broken I’m pretty sure

[sharp cypress]

does buff from chip / implant actually hot shared?

[nimble pebble]

Is there a graphics setting that makes thermals have clearer image? Or is it rarity based? (edited)Monday, 13 April
My thermal scope has a lot of bloom/blur around the edges of whatever is being highlighted by it. I saw a clip yesterday where the thermal outline was much sharper

[merry cipher]

Which implants, not cores, do you guys recommend for Thief?

[gloomy sundial]

This exactly, my thermals suck, other people have really good thermal images

[astral epoch]

Nimble fingers torso for faster looting, probably the Tactical recharge (forget the name) head for more grappling hooks, and honestly almost any leg implant but graceful landings is usually my go to to avoid taking much fall damage. Strike kit leg is a good all rounder, too.

[merry cipher]

Alright, thank you for the recommendations.

[green plinth]

Brother has NEVER read what attachments do or looked at his own HUD before

[green plinth]

Whatever you find on another thief’s corpse lol

[desert swift]

i just got the game. Which weapon you guys recommend to push thru early stage nicely? M77 feels too expensive early on. And also, is there a way to recognize kills? There's times where my teammate and my kills are side to side and we dont know which is whose.

[gloomy sundial]

Most teams don’t split loot based on kill. It’s kind of a honor system, take what you think you deserve/first come first serve

Bully and the volt pistol are great cheap guns.
Would try to focus on completing contracts and stocking up on NuCal barter materials so you can have a steady supply of heals and shields
Every gun can be good with good attachments.

[clear kayak]

bully plus sniper on perim or dire, purple shields min and bubble shields. nades and red gun.

on outpost or cryo, wstr or misriah gold, and bully or red gun. purple shields min and bubble shields.

congrats you win every single engagement now. zero need for the rest of this thread. thats the gear check

might aswell pin my comment thats this whole game

[desert swift]

hmm, the loot distribution is really hard to get by. All of my friends are the type that hates people's getting their stuff. And im sure there are many others like that too. it's kinda sad that we can't have a clear indication on that aspect. Anyway, thanks for the tips, i really needed that strong cheap loadout and ways to safe up on heals.

[coral plinth]

v66 lookout worth it?

[patent lagoon]

Hey does med drones proc torchbug?

[tropic edge]

I think its a nice fun weapon to use. Has high damage and range but with a slow rate of fire. I like the volt guns so pairing lookout with punch is a nice combo

[steel girder]

might be character detail

[lofty cedar]

To answer the second question, u cant really tell unless you know what stuff they had or what character they are. Dead bodies stay on the ground for a little bit then decay after some time

Another tip that might help, just take ammo(other than volt) whenever u find it. They are close to 1k a slot to buy and stack decently in stash u will also be using it perma

[deft sand]

Anything that buffs tact recharge

And self repair speed

[severe yew]

yo lying

[deft sand]

?

[severe yew]

there is something that boost repair speed but i don't know what a tact recharge is

[lofty cedar]

theres implants that reduce tactical timer (the not ulti button)

energy harvesting and some other ones

[bronze vigil]

is the gold M77 mod still disabled?

[lofty cedar]

until patch i believe so yes

[bronze vigil]

😔

[white pine]

how many unstable diode makes up for 1 drive? to exfil or decon.

[astral epoch]

Lookout is a good, cheaper alternative to a sniper rifle. It has almost instant projectile velocity and good range, plus a consistent fire rate. Don't recommend the alt fire in general, esp for pvp, though.

[elder fjord]

I really hope we get a buff to the lookout charge shot, its laughable that it does less dmg than a fully charged punch while not allowing you to hold charge

[grizzled seal]

tactical ability recharge rate, whatever your shell's left side ability is (med drone, grapple, shield wall, hand pulse cannon) - higher the rate is, more often you can use those abilities

[honest sandal]

Is the update to recon today?

[cinder quiver]

believe so!

[storm prairie]

hoping vandal as well

[cinder quiver]

i wonder what they got for her

vandal already seemed pretty good for me

[storm prairie]

less heat overall would be nice, maybe something that could help the team. imagine if she could force vent the heat of your team or a targeted teammate or give a buff for lower heat buildup

my personal feeling is that every Shell should have at least one ability that can be used to benefit someone other than just yourself

so you can make team synergies

[plain sorrel]

wouldnt that make team synergy overpowered?

and be bad for casual/new players

[cinder quiver]

shorter cooldown on main ability, pretty nice

[storm prairie]

a good start for sure. i feel like they have more planned for later

[cinder quiver]

also now im gonna down people as rook and res them just to mess with their minds

[limber dagger]

Railgun buff praise the LORD

[olive remnant]

Hot take not every Shell needs to help the team. She does need a buff but yeah.

[cinder quiver]

vandal helps the team by going fast and shooting enemies

[lunar pagoda]

the way they nerfed vandal who already does nothing..

[cinder quiver]

in this patch? she got a shorter cooldown on her main ability

[lunar pagoda]

they removed her one build that made green cores usable, which wasnt even swinging fights, unprompted

[cinder quiver]

oh right the signal jammer one

[lunar pagoda]

low profile and out of dodge are both unusable now, and theyre the ones in store. i dont get it. ugh

[limber dagger]

What happened with out of dodge?

[lunar pagoda]

what happened is it's terrible

if your shields break the clear heat wont save u i prommy

[limber dagger]

Okay but no changes were made to it?

[alpine kayak]

Enzyme Suppressants not giving the 30s duration after Low Profile slide anymore? The wording was wonky on that note and I’ve not been home to test.

[lunar pagoda]

none

[limber dagger]

So what it’s just a bad green core then, always has been

[cinder quiver]

yeah i hope they take a look at the cores

[lunar pagoda]

yeah but she used to have low profile which with a specific implant could be Kinda good. now she has no usable green cores which is kinda sad. ill keep playing vandal anyway it's just frustrating to get a nerf when youre already weak yknow

whatever. we keep jumping i guess

[limber dagger]

Save your money for the goated blue cores instead

[olive remnant]

Vandal, Weak?! Are we playing the same Shell?

[limber dagger]

Mechanized holsters my beloved

[lunar pagoda]

listen im Obsessed with vandal esp as a sniper player but besides double jump she does not have the juice yet

ill keep investing in her until stocks go up i prommy but her blaster and slide and ult are all clearly weaker than destroyer or thief or triage or recon now

it's fun to jump tho!

[limber dagger]

Vandal is only as good as you can apply your brain to make a flank or position

[lunar pagoda]

her blues are good that's very true. ty mech holst

honestly if i could buy Tag! instead of Out of Dodge id shut up here and now lol thatd be great

[cinder quiver]

tag! is a fun core

[lunar pagoda]

combined with reduced charge time it's esp good. Blaster build and Slide build make sense yknow

build crafting. like the name says. rn with the way her store and balance is thats not so possible 😭

[cinder quiver]

she should get a triple jump core

for additional shenanigans

[olive remnant]

She has one no?

[limber dagger]

I think she does

Gold tho

[olive remnant]

It adds a second charge to your boosters at gold yeah.

And lowers the heat

[cinder quiver]

oh damn

[lunar pagoda]

i also dream of owning a miata, yes

one day, surely.... 🙏

[cedar pebble]

It's all about Recon now Vandal has nowhere to here

Appreciate that the Thief drone got a nerf

[thorny solstice]

did they fix infinite signal jammer vandal tech

[limber dagger]

Yes

[cedar pebble]

Are railguns looking competitive with the buffs?

[final delta]

yes

ares gold is extremely strong

[cedar pebble]

Fine Arachne I won't immediately sell pf the railguns you keep giving me.

[deft sand]

Ares Gold is now best weapon lowkey

Better than goo gin

[obsidian merlin]

hey guys, where can i find teammates ? im lvl 107

[untold pulsar]

Whats your bungie id?

[glacial timber]

Can’t wait to get home to try it out.

[deft sand]

Being able to hold a pretty much hitscan frag is pretty overpowered

[glacial timber]

Got the gold mod weeks ago, finally gonna use it

[deft sand]

#📽️run-clips

[buoyant dome]

Wow that vandel buff lol

[gusty shoal]

Arguably got worse post-update

[sick meadow]

Sold all my railguns a couple days ago...feelsbadman

[severe yew]

Y.E.P

you evil person 😳

[fading rover]

my spartan laser mod has been sitting in my vault for weeks it will finally get some use! probably will die and lose it right away but at least I will feel powerful before that happens

[lofty cedar]

that shit gunks people bro its kinda fire, i had like a 6-7 raid streak of lobby wipes on outpost with it

its pretty hype

[cedar pebble]

Is copperhead looking viable now with its buffs and the bully's nerfs?

[acoustic oak]

Someone said it was better than the Bully when I asked

But I can't see how the change notes support that

Increased base magazine size from 21 shots to 28 shots.
Max magazine size remains unchanged.
Slightly increased base accuracy and effective range from 15m to 16.2m.
Increased minimum damage at maximum damage falloff range from 30% to 50%.
Slightly decreased initial error cone size while in ADS by ~8.5%.

Overall accuracy and a slight range buff

Bully probably still wins outside the 16.2m range, but within CQ the Copperhead might be the better choice

Well, Bully will win outside the 16.2m range, because the Copperhead won't do any damage LOL

[gusty shoal]

Bully is still better because it can still compete at medium ranges

But the copperhead imo does at least excel in its weird niche of like 15-25m gunfights

[green finch]

I need some non-purple/gold builds for assassin and triage

I do have purple and gold gear but I don't wanna use it in crew fill

I'm also terrible at build crafting

[sudden scaffold]

do lmg shields ever recharge?

[heady kite]

Yes

[sudden scaffold]

I was in a raid and sat with the shield off for around 20 seconds and the shield didn't seem to recharge

At least not the visual indicator on the weapon

[cedar pebble]

so with the Recon buff we should totally be taking an Energy Amp right?

[sudden scaffold]

Need it for the long AF prime but the tactical comes back fairly quickly on its own

[cedar pebble]

yeah the prime feels really nice now and the spider has actually done me some good today

I'm glad I stuck with Recon, I knew she was gonna get good

also loving the pseudo-eyes on her Archne helmet, glad they gave you those skins immediately if you've already extracted with the kits before the update

[alpine kernel]

Can anyone who's used it clarify what counts as "half health" for Reverse Card? Is it based on just the actual health bar or does it also count your total health pool including shields?
Because the way I see it that difference could make or break it in terms of it's practicality. Specifically the use case that I'm imagining is using it on a shotgun. Say your opponent gets a WSTR/Misriah blast off on you first leaving you below half health; where otherwise they would have the advantage in that engagement, now once you get your first shot off you get your shields back. So the question then is whether the skill activates at a threshold that would allow you to tank their second shot giving you the advantage, or if you're either left with too little health to tank it or too much health for the skill to activate.

[acoustic oak]

I'd probably take a guess and say health only and not include shields?

Since health is always going to be a fixed max number, whereas shields can be different, depending on what level is equipped

[marble rock]

From my experience it only recharges once it breaks, so if its low you might as well let bots break it

[sudden scaffold]

Would make sense but I noted that a portion of the bar changes color if you turn it off while it is damaged

Similar to a loading bar

[marble rock]

I thought so too but I've spent runs with it for a good minute or two turned off and didn't gain charge, but on break it recharged quite quickly

Maybe bugged, most people are sleeping on the power of shielded lmg

[sudden scaffold]

Might also be intentional to stop battles of attrition

Since those shields do block all damage

Still an interesting choice for this weapon type. You don't usually see interesting lmg use cases like in this game

[alpine kernel]

After considering it more and looking at some of my footage I don't actually think that this would work either way since shotgun blasts do >3/4 of your health on meatshots with purple shields, meaning no matter what getting 1/2 of it back still wouldn't be enough to tank a second shot. So yeah, too situational to be practical imo

[olive remnant]

The shielded LMGS are so good the LMG that ramps up is basically a 60m range bully once it gets going

[near reef]

does Destroyers Lock n load deluxe core improve ads speed ?

[nimble pebble]

What faction is best to get VIP first? Nucal?

[tepid valley]

i would go cyberacme

[storm prairie]

cyber for vault and blue rook backpack

[sudden scaffold]

Then Arachne of course

[thick ermine]

yo did the melee nerf just kill the misriah/ sucker punch combo? or is it still viable?

[cinder quiver]

it's arachne day, time to get my red on

[bleak flower]

what are the sources for prestige mods like the Pistol Scope for the Magnum MC? Just Outpost, Cryo, wardens, prestige keys?

[gusty shoal]

They can spawn basically anywhere that drops gun mods, they’re just rarer

The ones you listed + Lockdowns are where you’re most likely to see them and where I would go if you’re trying to farm gold mods

Ironically enough, I actually got a gold magnum mod from a commander I killed during a Lockdown

Instead of the lockdown itself

[bleak flower]

thanks. I need to use that mod lol. Just got my first superior Oracle lens at level 83

pistol optic mods need a drop rate buff

[cinder quiver]

so folks, what are you spending your cyac commendations on?

salvage crates, rep packs?

[fresh mountain]

As a new player, I have been going for rep but might depend on where you are / which factions you need

[bleak flower]

Arachne rep to roll superior non-chip weapon mods, maybe will start doing NuCal for biolens seeds until I have enough, and then probably superior key templates as 75 commendations is much easier than obtaining 4 shell IDs (which also hopefully grant me opportunity for superior/prestige weapon mods idk)

[timid zealot]

anyone have a quick scope build yet? Like what mods and abilities would you use for the fastest ads speed on a sniper

implants, cores, etc.

i assume thief would be the best shell for this as well since her cores help build ads with her finer things passive?

and does agility on certain implants affect ads?

[astral epoch]

Well your fastest ads times all around are on Triage with his Trait ability and Vandal with her Prime ability

[hazy mauve]

https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1494064268927303831

[hard patrol]

Aight, chat. What's the best build for knifing post nerf?

[keen zodiac]

100 melee, 2l1h

[severe yew]

it been 10 days since i went to sleep

[hard patrol]

L first. Got it

[sudden scaffold]

Railguns

they are weird

idk what to make of them

anyone have any tips?

[zenith valve]

Play sneaky and play quiet. Wait for a good opening to make a shot would be me best tip. Same with some sniper rifles, Range is gonna be ya friend so if ya miss ya shot ya have more time to move and hide

[onyx arch]

Is anybody else noticing that when you go to buy a weapon mod from the traxus armory or any armory for that matter, it doesn't automatically show the icon that means you can attach it to your weapon?

just me?

[heady kite]

They are good, just use them like a sniper. They 1 tap purple shields

1 tap break the shield that is

[alpine kayak]

As a certified hater of the loss of the glorious and beautiful enzyme suppressant + low profile combo - my eyes have been opened to the glory of mechanized holsters. It’s beautiful.

[lofty cedar]

do a shit tonof dmg body or head, u can take adv off hitting a shot

get space or whatever u like doing to gain adavantge

[grave isle]

Dude with machine guns its oppressive

Can fire forever

[alpine kayak]

Does it full reload ballistic weapons regardless of mag size? I've only really tested it with Repeater, Misriah, and energy weapons.

[severe yew]

11 days

[grave isle]

@alpine kayak it was reloading 166 rounds on my retaliator

Which is a full mag

[bleak flower]

Anybody have a source to view all rollable perks for implants?

[rough lion]

What weapons do you like to use with it? I’m not a big vandal player but I’m intrigued by it. Does it insta reload your full lmg clip for example?

Nvm jsut saw answers above, WOW THAT IS GOOD

[unkempt meteor]

Probably a better place to ask, do people feel like the melee leech perk or the SekGen +40 prime recovery perk is more worthwhile with the melee nerfs?

[thorny solstice]

leech is really nice in free kit runs when you don't have a lot of healing but prime recovery will be better in places like cyro or when you are kitted in general

[deft sand]

Prime 100% with a energy amp I have a 61 sec cd recon ult

[lucid tinsel]

i'd go for prime recovery

[outer hull]

Basically anything I’m low on, or a weapon that I don’t have access to or stocked up

Also, idk if this is a build crafting question, but I assume Thief is a good class for solo scavenging runs… do folks have any recommendations for what cores & implants I should be using, if I want to loot a location faster?

[acoustic oak]

cyac commendations is purely being used for faction xp

[frigid marsh]

Crime Spree and Greed is Good is a pretty good and cheap combo for just rummaging through an area and then moving to the next.

Additionally, most rarities of Nimble Fingers with Haptic Feedback is a good idea, if you infil in with a signal jammer, pop it before you head in and then you'll be maxed out in loot speed in no time flat.

[fiery turret]

anyone have an idea which faction has the highest chance of giviing alloys/hazards as VIP rewards?

[pale briar]

i’ve never heard of anyone say they’ve gotten prestige salvage from them so i’m going to assume they are not possible to get

[deft sand]

No faction gives prestige salvage in any form

Other than CyberAcme from the cryp archives contracts

Cryo*

If you get lucky

[outer hull]

Question re: Recon Build: What grenades synergize well with her kit?

Specifically, what grenade is a good one to use to throw in the direction / general position of a player whose location I’ve just discovered?

[cinder quiver]

chem nades

overheat with crawler drone, poison with chem nade

they're now having an extremely bad time

and you can splash someone around a corner if they're close enough to said corner

do enough damage to them and you can disengage, the poison will do the rest

[outer hull]

Thank you, this helps a lot!

[cinder quiver]

also frag nades work for every shell all the time cause explosions are a classic for a reason

[pulsar parrot]

What would be a good generic purple augment combo for any shell? I think the survival kit chest augment is one of the best chest ones. But I don't know enough of the head or leg augments to choose one

I'm mainly just looking to track a single purple augment from each - head, chest, and legs - so I can quickly decide if I want to swap the augment I currently have mid-run

[cinder quiver]

knife fight

you always end up meleeing someone eventually

[pulsar parrot]

True. I just hate building around knives for whatever reason. I know I'll miss the repair speed, revive speed, and all the other stuff survival kit gives.

[cinder quiver]

well then agility seems good, that way you might stay out of knife fights

[astral epoch]

Does climbing a ladder cancel ability animations? Can anyone test this for me? Not at home rn

[astral epoch]

I mean the best all-rounder build for any shell is probably gonna be Sprint Kit, Survival Kit, Strike Kit. Otherwise I'd go with Bionic Leg, Knife Fight, and maybe Regen.

[pulsar parrot]

That seems like a pretty good combo. Thanks!

[cinder quiver]

another wstr nerf incoming