🛠️buildcrafting

[austere socket]

[zealous brook]

We should have plenty vault space next week after update. Ammo stacking to 800, meds stacking to 30/50. increased stacks on mats

[edgy wyvern]

?

[signal spindle]

Bungie is rebalancing how many bullets or heals fit in one square of the vault

so instead of 80 light bullets it's 800

[dawn heath]

Confirmed ?

[signal spindle]

it's in the #dev-updates channel in this server so yeah

it looks like they're increasing ammo and healing item stack sizes 10x

based on the screenshot the devs posted

[coral flare]

do duplicate cores increase the effectiveness of the core or does it do nothing additional?

[manic gorge]

too much lol

[half plank]

only in vault.

[signal spindle]

yeah that's what I said

"Bungie is rebalancing how many bullets or heals fit in one square of the vault"

[half plank]

idk how that's too much tho scrap

hoarders gonna hoard, bigger stacks means more runs to hoard stuff :P

[nimble cloud]

honestly thats a good thing since sometimes u are just gonna get put into a shit load of fights against npcs/players

also whatever this raid thing is the devs are planning might be another reason for such large amounts of ammo]

[jade echo]

lmao what

[jade echo]

oh ok ok sick

[native nebula]

Do you mean their effects or in terms of inventory

Bc idk about effects but they don’t in inventory

[twin estuary]

Most shooters dont have hidden reduction (ignoring Destiny). That said, im fairly certain there's damage drop-off

[native nebula]

Is it not trigger, bumper, or A? (On Xbox)

[graceful wolf]

Does the sound range increase also apply to bot weapons? or just player weapons

[fathom briar]

LFT Pinwheel farming need a stack purple/blue kits

[native nebula]

#lfc-any-zone

[fathom briar]

whoops sorry didnt look that I was in this channel b4 i hit send

[native nebula]

Unsure, I assume all though

[void oasis]

what is the range of thief's visor?

[polar sonnet]

yeah i got no idea man

[cursive needle]

uh for me on ps it was R1 if that helps

[hollow shale]

at least 1 meter

[versed wigeon]

Is there a place we are documenting the prestige stuff, both so I can look at them and send in this if they need it

I cant send images here...

[drowsy kiln]

If I would guess, I think it’s around 15-20 meters

Just a guess though

[cloud shore]

Is it bad that I’d like to be able to put PR scopes on ARs?

[thick jasper]

is there any reason to go above 100 in any stat

or does it just fall flat at 100 and nothing after

[wintry badger]

I always run one more stack of shields than health packs because shield breaks way more often than health's lost

[mystic sonnet]

What effect does EMP have on players?

[tall roost]

I believe it disables use of your abilities?

[mystic sonnet]

Hmm that would be pretty good, I wonder if Triage's shock pads also do any damage, I haven't had much interaction with him in solos so his utility is pretty unknown to me, wondering how viable he is as a solo shell

Idk if they are melee range only though then it's too risky probably anyway, need to mess with using him

[tall roost]

I had an EMP happen yesterday on Dire Marsh just as I was jumping off a huge drop to grapple in toward someone as Thief.

Fast-forward to me taking a big chunk of damage because my grapple was disabled and dying.

And yes, Triage's pads do damage.

Oh, wait. Not sure if they do actual damage or whether they just EMP.

He's definitely better in squads. A lot of his power is in the revive and the shared consumables between med-drone linked teammates.

[mystic sonnet]

For sure, I just don't play squads at all but I've played every shell but Triage heh

[stoic flame]

I have a chip mod called Insomniac. What does it mean by "eliminating hostiles with this weapon extends its duration by a moderate amount"? I've noticed that's stated on other mods as well.

[mystic sonnet]

Are you sure it's not saying it extends the duration of consumables? There are chips that do that.

[tall roost]

Insomniac extends Energy Amp, right?

That's the consumable that boosts your ability cooldowns. So killing enemies extends how long the buffed cooldowns last for.

Oh, it varies. So yeah, it's just whatever consumable it says it boosts.

[lime cradle]

when an item applies an effect to "allies", does that include myself?

or is it literally just to allies

[dapper patio]

i am fairly certain it does

actually, might be wrong on that, ik when it says crew members its self inclusive because thats the wording on triages drones, but not sure for allies specifically sorry

[dapper patio]

both

[nocturne rune]

100% does damage, I've downed people with Triage Prime ability

[mystic sonnet]

I have to mess with this, sounds fun

[nocturne rune]

Main only Triage

I will make sure I do well with it

Never underestimate a Taser

[signal spindle]

I think it makes sense for an EMP to damage you given that runners are kind of a robot

[astral epoch]

EMP grenades are esp nasty because they explode multiple times in a row.

[hot wharf]

are people finally talking builds and synergies

[nimble cloud]

currently the meta is thief + recon + triage

[restive mountain]

I will say, Triage, recon, destroyer is kind of nice

[nimble cloud]

that also works

[twin estuary]

Duplicate cores do not stack

UNLESS

They have an exfil bonus.

[twin estuary]

It should. You are your own ally, after all

[coral flare]

thanks. this is useful information

[trail isle]

triage is fake comms

drones barely do anything in a fight

you get way more value with a destroyer guys literally thanos

thanos the shell

[simple tangle]

Do destroyer shells actually take less damage?

I’ve seen people recommend them and just say “Tank Stats” but is that truly a thing?

[dawn sky]

The "Spread angle" when modding shotguns. I see that stat on "From the hip" mods. Does that spread angle decrease only work for hip fire or both ads and hip?

[tiny hollow]

Triage’s Ability to swap stamina for weapon boost comes in handy

[tepid oyster]

that makes total sense

[leaden nimbus]

the core that makes his healing from drone faster is really good i think

at least from personal experience

[trail isle]

gold or purple

[leaden nimbus]

purple

[trail isle]

will have to see that then if it could help you an extra burst from a br when you're getting lasered

[hearty coral]

has anyone done testing on all of the gear stats yet?

like how much you get out of each point etc.

[mortal hollow]

is there any stat to increase your trait 1 and 2 cooldown?

[native nebula]

Energy amp

[mortal hollow]

thank you!

[flat stirrup]

Is it true that volt weapons deal more damage to UESC?

[fleet radish]

The purple chip mod that refills a significant amount of ammunition after an elimination, does it trigger when yoy down a runner? or do you have to thirst their body for the effect?

[vast tide]

I've got a 1x1 "Premium rewards pass voucher" in my vault, ive already redeemed the premium pass so do i just sell this? it sells for 0 credits but its taking up 1x1 vault space

[acoustic oak]

Fine to sell

or keep as a funny bug souvenir

[mortal sonnet]

full thirst needed

[vast tide]

Ty, yeah I might actually lol

[acoustic oak]

I need more of that core (or mod?) that provides you invisibility on precision elimination, helps so much in fighting multiple UESC

[vast tide]

What decides a 'precision' elimination?

[acoustic oak]

Headshot

You'll know when you get a headshot with the double lined hitmarker

[vast tide]

AH

[misty dust]

Just learned a lesson, if the timer hits 0, even if you're in an extract that is counting down...but will finish after 0...you die.

I think my extract said 3 seconds when timer hit 0...poof.

[rugged ibex]

🔥 💯 🔥 💯 🔥 💯 🔥 💯 NEW META BUILD 🔥 💯 🔥 💯 🔥 💯 🔥 💯

EQUIP ROOK
WIN

[upper wadi]

What level do gold and purple items get more common? I'm level 31, and haven't had much time to play last week. I'm worried that I won't be prepared enough for cryo when it drops

[rugged ibex]

your level does not change how common certain drops are

[upper wadi]

Oh, damn

How do you get the good shit then, is it just by doing contracts?

[rugged ibex]

Key cards, pushing harder areas (Outpost), getting lucky

[quasi pelican]

So uhm I lit just got the game is this like tarkov or?

[rugged ibex]

yeah pretty much

if you hear someone refer to Cryo, thats basically labs

[quasi pelican]

Ah ok nice is there like a newbie chat here that I can talk in so I can see if someone’s willing to just show me some stuff

[rugged ibex]

not that I know of, but most of the time looking in #🗣marathon-general-chat you'll usually find someone open to show you the ropes

my only warning to you, the AI in this game hits a helluva lot harder than the AI in tarkov lol

[quasi pelican]

Thanks much appreciated

[runic crown]

Which shells should a beginner maybe avoid playing for the first few hours? I want to pick a few easy ones to practice on before I mess with the higher skill-ceiling shells

[quasi pelican]

The ai in tarkov can 1 shot u?

Have u fought a ai boss in tarkov lol

[rugged ibex]

while they wont do that here, they will scare the shit out of you sometimes lol

generally I am a fan of Destroyer or assassin for new players, Triage can be good if you get into teams

[quasi pelican]

I’ve died in tarkov to so much stuff like that lol but yeah that’s good seems a little more chill than tarkov is this only PvP or is it like

[rugged ibex]

nah its PVPVE

[quasi pelican]

Ok got u so u have to do both u can’t just strictly do pve?

[rugged ibex]

no, both all the time

[quasi pelican]

Ah got u much appreciated won’t waste any more of ur time

[hot wharf]

yea some skills scale of stats.

likes self repair speed affects triage med drone

[hearty coral]

do they scale off of individual self-repair stats or just triage's?

[hot wharf]

just triage. if the triage has nearly maxed self repair it heals everytime at crazy speed

downside battery drains faster as well but only a bit faster

[misty dust]

I dont get it, sometimes bully is great, other times I can hit green shield person with half the mag and they still not down, I dont get it.

And Im talking like 13 direct hits. =/

[calm temple]

damage fall off is wild

[calm temple]

weapons have an effective range

[misty dust]

Yeah but it was maybe 22m...I dunno, shoulda been effective.

18m is effective, meh.

But I had mods on so maybe it was 22ish....I guess I was just out of range.

[grim meadow]

You'd also be surprised how often you run into people who aren't full health

There are also probably slight differences between the two kinds of green shields

Lots of variables

[misty dust]

Yeah I know 1 is easier to heal...the reinforced one, I think even though it's a long bar, just 1 recharger gets it full eventually.

[grim meadow]

My guess would be the range though, the bully can't reach out too far

That's why I really like the lookout

[misty dust]

But generally speaking, the effective range on most smgs is soo meh.

[grim meadow]

Which they should be

[misty dust]

That uh Copperhead thing, like its range is similiar to a shotgun almost...but I swear the shotgun gonna win out everytime.

[grim meadow]

Copperhead could definitely use a buff I think, I haven't seen anyone using it

It was really strong in the alphas I think so it might've been overtuned

[calm temple]

it'

is so fucking bad

ps, can thief see assassin through smooke?

and invis?

nvm i read the ability description

[round shuttle]

Everyone can see through smoke

[olive remnant]

yes to both.

only if they're in line of sight though

so if you dive behind cover assassin can hide again

[calm temple]

thanks

[hearty coral]

the sky is blue

[calm temple]

the copperhead sucks balls

immediate vendor

[near jasper]

real. i opened discord to say the same

i feel like rpm should be doubled for it to be at least fun to use

pocket bullet hose

[bleak path]

so whats the consensus on implants? are there even builds for each individual shell or is it a "put these on no matter what" kinda deal?

[tardy stag]

Cores offer stronger shell-specific benefits. Implants are more broadly beneficial, but some still offer role specific benefits. For the Thief shell, the Nimble Fingers V2 implant gives you +25 loot speed. That pretty nice.

[bleak path]

oh yea yea i meant more like specific implans over others, if theres 'optimal' builds for each shell

thank u tho

[tardy stag]

Which shell do you like to play?

[shut orbit]

anyone have any advice on using Thief's third ability? I kinda struggle to know when to use it besides maybe just spamming it

[olive remnant]

her visor?

I focus on using when entering PoIs and then when I'm leaving, helps finding loot and on exit you can see any assassins on the way in.

[bleak path]

thief

[tardy stag]

Try these implants: Nimble Fingers, Graceful Landings, Energy Harvesting.

[bleak path]

thanks <3

[mortal hollow]

Does anyone tested/know if you get benefits in stats past 100?

[jovial sage]

has anyone tried the bully superior mod and if so do you like it

somethingsomething its a mag and the longer you shoot it the higher the fire rate is

[neon summit]

basically just turns it into hucklebearer from D2

so solid

[jovial sage]

Yep

[versed halo]

does impact h ar have a prestige?

[neon summit]

is there a barter for the outlander sniper or is it only available from crates/schemas?

[misty dust]

How often does stock refresh for say grenades from Mida?

Is it 24hr reset, or more often than that?

[edgy wyvern]

Pretty sure it’s 24h

[gaunt umbra]

insurrection + bulldog = ez uesc elims

[lofty helm]

For anyone interested in seeing any items in game and what they can do here’s a super helpful site

https://wzstats.gg/marathon/items/mods

It has cores, mods, implants, weapons. Literally everything

[shadow dagger]

Ohhhh that’s very helpful

[hollow galleon]

yh

[turbid lark]

overheat bullets or somethin

Traxus can have it in the armory, shame I can’t barter for it yet

[mild surge]

what a good all around kit that’s good for uesc and pvp

my guess would be like a 33volley and shotgun but curious to know what others think

[granite surge]

i like to bring in one volt weapon, like the volt thrower or punch. that makes clearing pve w shields MUCH faster

[jovial mural]

prime or tactical recovery for vandal?

[granite surge]

WSTR or longshot for the second weapon

[subtle torrent]

Vandal prime comes back super fast and tbh isn't the most impactul part of her kit especially when you have heat and agi upgrades. Having her tac just one more time per fight is absolutely insane

[subtle torrent]

Anyone got any hard data on Thief's 'The Finer Things'? such as if it is per backpack slot occupied or per individual item in each slot, and how much of a bonus it gives?

[native nebula]

I don’t but I assume it’s slots bc you could have like a billion light rounds and that’d be broken

[mild surge]

i agree

[subtle torrent]

You can also grab thousands of credits in a round which is why I asked lmao

[wind phoenix]

Does anyone know how the lmg shield mods work like how ik the shield is weak and how to recharge it

[arctic raven]

think it just deploys when you aim. covers your upper torso

[rapid spoke]

when you aim your gun on right side you can see a yellow bar, thats the shields durability

[timid zealot]

has anyone ran a sniper into outpost? how did it go

[real bear]

@tough current @clear fossil Gugu Gaga🤡 🖕

[brisk crescent]

[stoic flame]

If a weapon’s rarity is Deluxe or greater, does it objectively make it better than a Standard or Enhanced weapon? Or is weapon rarity all subjective? The rarity stems from the mods equipped to a weapon. But. Just because one of the mods are, let’s say, Superior or Prestige doesn’t mean it suits a certain shell and a Runner’s playstyle.

The value of salvage and other items that are sold for credits upon exfil would objectively be better or worse than others because of the value it holds though.

[rancid shell]

found this really sick build where if u press 3 then left click enemy runners multiple times it generates big profit loot

[native nebula]

Is this patched

[stoic flame]

Does the Heat Sink mod applies to one’s stats for the duration of a run or is it short-lived?

[native nebula]

What’s that one again, removing accumulated heat upon killing?

I think it’s a per kill basis if that’s the one you mean

[stoic flame]

Standard Chip Mod
HEAT SINK

Dealing sustained damage with this weapon reduces your generated heat by a small amount.

That’s its description.

It just removes the heat one already accumulated?

If so, noted.

[primal dove]

So far my best buildcraft is an Enduring Retaliator lmg with 2 purple mods - turbo belt/swarn directive. 2 blue mods - Control shield/Accu-sight lens. I need a yellow and 2 more purples if i want a yellow weapon xD

im a filthy casual, so i find this enjoyable lol

[twin estuary]

I'm not trynna be rude asking this, but what else would it mean?

[stoic flame]

No offense taken. I was reading too much into it. I see now that it only affects heat that one generates. Not the Heat Capacity stat for the duration of a run.

[azure pivot]

combine it with the mod that increases dmg when overheated for maximum anti synergy

[twin estuary]

theoretically you'd use it to slide into people at max heat, mag dump into them with a bully or other hipfire-focused weapon, then rush off somewhere else because your heat is gone

[lime moat]

Do you need space in your backpack for Materialist to work? Or does it increase the count of existing salvage in your backpack?

[sick sky]

No, Materialist applies its buff after you extract

If the item is stackable it will apply the bonus if it lands on the percent chance of working

[lime moat]

Ah gotcha, so would the additional salvage be shown on the final exfil summary screen? Like, I would need to pay attention to the total counts for the salvage I'm exfilling with to see what was added from Materialist?

[sick sky]

Yes and no, it will show as “item transmuted” on the gear with Materialist when it triggers but it wont show you which salvage got multiplied(unless I remember wrongly).

[nova wing]

#📽️run-clips message

optimize my build

plee and thank

[shadow dagger]

Anyone use the Overrun AR? Just seems like this thing is dook-dook.

[charred carbon]

use it like you would an smg and fire short bursts at a distance

[signal spindle]

It can be good (like any weapon with enough mods) but I find it takes too much ammo to achieve the same results as other more efficient guns at a better price point

If I'm loaded up with one gun only and come across one I might take it as a short term backup, but if I want to run a cheap, affordable primary I'd stick to a V11

[olive remnant]

There's only a couple of guns I'd completely write off but Overrun is only decent if you've got extended mags in it and can control its kick

[edgy wyvern]

I was an overrun hater but my boy melts with his blue one lol

[sick sky]

As a day 1 Overrun AR Glazer, i will say a no mod grey Overrun isnt the best. You need to mod it and get used to how it works to play well with it

[royal marsh]

Anyone tried the BRRT SMG? Picked it up a purple one off the warden in perimeter and haven't used it yet.

[woeful nebula]

Yeah like most smg's very strong up close but it eats bullets for PvE, I'd only bring it in for big PvP maps/POI's

[fast crow]

brrt is great ime

[native nebula]

I think it’s fine

[fast crow]

its no battle rifle but its good

[native nebula]

Not my preferred smg bc the bully is just amazing

But it’s good

[fast crow]

yeah bully is nutso good

[coarse coral]

Has anyone seen any prestige cores for Triage? The only one I've seen is the one that reduces your med drone cooldown when you use shareware.exe but that's it. Seems kind of underwhelming compared to the other shells prestige cores

[frail umbra]

Yea I have one that increases the duration of shared consumables

But tbh for a prestige core it's not that good considering there's a purple that literally doubles your healing effectiveness and speed

[analog sandal]

i only got that too

the more i play, i realize triage is just not good

everyone runs double selfrevive and purple meds

assasin, triage is good early on but once people are geared up value drops by 80%

[coarse coral]

I think triage is really good as in his power floor is relatively high, but it doesn't seem like he scales that hard. Having those as his prestige cores is kinda lame compared to the cores that destroyer has or vandal has

I think he's really worth having just for the shareware and his ult that can rez a full dead team mate instantly

[frail umbra]

Yea and the drones constantly giving you a free heal is hard to pass up on too

[coarse coral]

yeah definitely

[frail umbra]

Don't have to worry about shielding as much when fighting UESC

[coarse coral]

I think if he had a prestige core that made his ult charge instantly would be awesome. or something that made it more effective when used offensively

or if his overcharge mechanic would cause chain lighting when using volt weapons. something really unique and strong like the other shells' prestige cores

[analog sandal]

yea

[frail umbra]

Ok that'd be wild seeing some cloudstorm shit 😂 but I get what ur saying

He definitely lacks the oomf that the other 5 have with their prestige cores

[safe flare]

remind me heavier weapons make your footsteps louder no>? cause i swear that i am louder when i move with an lmg on

[turbid lark]

If anything you’re probably slower, but it’d make sense if your footsteps were louder as well

[surreal widget]

hex.maelstrom ------------<

[astral rampart]

I love it, would love to find the prestige attachment for it - it melts

[zealous sigil]

quick q, really basic shit: Are knife kills on standard UESC bots quieter than popping them with a gun?

[edgy wyvern]

You also save ammo

[zealous sigil]

Well yeah, saving ammo is a good and obvious point in its favor, too! lol

Appreciate you!

[native crescent]

is the copperhead viable against other smgs ?

[wind phoenix]

Hey anyone know how to complete the mastery challenge for triage where he has to “emp battery overcharge” a commander or smth like that

[urban comet]

Any recommended routes/builds for factions? Ive generally been leveling them all up until i can get my first and/or initial upgrades, like heat capacity, melee dmg, agility etc.

[fast crow]

depends on what you want to prioritize

a lot of people focus on nucal to get shields and meds

[keen eagle]

The 3 shields and 3 meds a day is pretty nice

[turbid lark]

bully better at range, copperhead is scarier in closer quarters in my experience

Most just use bully because it is a hell of a lot cheaper

(and the bully is a very good weapon for every situation anyways)

[little veldt]

The bully is best weapon in the game imo

[turbid lark]

Yeah it really just kinda does everything

[little veldt]

Cheap, super versatile, and very deadly

[turbid lark]

Need range? stick a scope on it
Damage? big mag

bein all sneeki beeki like? suppressor

[little veldt]

Honestly it’s only downsize is the 23 round clip

[turbid lark]

I hope it doesn’t get nerfed honestly

[little veldt]

Probably will it and the WSTR

Let’s be honest

lol

[turbid lark]

Buffing weaker weapons and leaving good ones alone is the better move imo

Oh without a doubt lmao

[signal spindle]

I feel like once you've been looting for a while, even the green extended mags really boost the bully a ton

[turbid lark]

drum mag is easily best mag

but any of’em that add ammo are good

[native nebula]

Did you try using your battery overcharge with a volt weapon on a commander

[wind phoenix]

How do I know it’s a commander

[little veldt]

It’s purple

[native nebula]

They’ll have white body parts and usually purple shields

[wind phoenix]

Ohh alright any volt weapon?

[native nebula]

And I think the emp hits when you shield break but idk, and yeah any volt weapon

[wind phoenix]

Alr bet thanks

[neon summit]

Bully + sniper or Volley rifle + wstr are my combos

[velvet gyro]

1000000% goated combo

[wind phoenix]

Would the destroyer mastery quest “defeat a runner that is hiding in smoke with search and destroy” count if I just finished of a downed guy inside the smoke

[olive remnant]

Do we know what the game means by Hacking a Priority hostile? trying to do my Thief Masteries, is it just bosses or Elites?

[wind phoenix]

Yeah you just gotta look at a boss should be a red icon on the map with your visor turned on and it should hack him

[olive remnant]

thanks!

[acoustic oak]

You'll see a "loading bar" when staring at the target, that'll need to complete for the hacking effect to occur

[drowsy copper]

Defeat happens when the Runner gets knocked into DBNO, Elimination happens when they get full-killed

[wind phoenix]

Yeah I had to sneak up on a guy inside hauler with a smoke grenade and a shotty, poor guy saw everything go white and got mercd down

[lone pike]

for a bully smg do we prefer the weighted barrel or precision barrel? if you had to choose between those two

[livid shore]

I think stats cap at 100, so anything past that appears to be wasted. 100 damage would be enough to one shot if their basic white shield is already broken but if not they will survive the hit.

[flat fog]

light or heavy attack?

[twin estuary]

Stats do not cap at 100

But I do believe there's diminishing returns after 100

I have a purple implant that gives +50 loot speed, which is more than enough to break 100 after 2 lootspeed levels

[fringe halo]

Does triage's battery overcharge ability increase weapon damage? Seeing conflicting info on this

[arctic raven]

silencer

[limber dagger]

What’s the buildcrafting chat’s opinion on railguns?

[arctic raven]

Fun to shoot, but why ever take one when sniper exists, Sells for 3k

[jolly raptor]

was thief’s grapple cancel movement tech patched out?

[nocturne fiber]

Hi all, I'm trying to better understand the LMG shield mods and how they work. Is it 100% damage mitigation? Also, does the battery re-charge in match once depleted or just once per run full battery?

[limber dagger]

Kinda what I’ve been seeing and thinking

[brittle harbor]

repeater/magnum build

patrolling dire marsh almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[twin estuary]

Afaik yes to both

But it's a relatively small shield and only goes up while ADSing

And I think it only recharges after being depleted

[olive remnant]

wish they would give it a collateral effect if you hit a fully charged shot, can go through multipul targets maybe lol

[nocturne fiber]

Thanks, I'll continue testing. I've noticed it's relatively small, but if you crouch while ADS it seems to have near total coverage. @twin estuary

[twin estuary]

That's my experience, and LMG has a strong crouch accuracy bonus

[limber dagger]

That would be a pretty good change tbh I don’t see why not

[arctic raven]

Which grenade do you think is the best and why? Let's make a tierlist 📊

[nocturne fiber]

Claymore, because everyone pushes.

[little veldt]

love how I called the WSTR nerf yesterday lol

[signal spindle]

Flechette grenade can be nasty because of how it tracks, the healing is a neat side benefit but not the main draw imo

Claymore is undefeated though

I also don't mind DOT grenades like flame or chem since getting hit with a recurring damage effect freaks people out

[native nebula]

There’s healing from the flechette?

[signal spindle]

Yeah the spikes do minor healing on the thrower when they hit an enemy

At least per item description

[native nebula]

Oh that’s sick I had no idea

[minor maple]

I may be mistaken but I believe the flechettes return to you after they do damage, and that's how you heal

[turbid lark]

Coulda swore they healed when they do damage?

[signal spindle]

Tbh if I'm in a situation where grenades are necessary I'm usually not paying enough attention to those little details

[twin estuary]

Flechettes are like claymores that home in

You can use them to block off paths or force bad pushes

[mental void]

Do we Know how much dmg absorbtion the Light machine gun sheilds tank or reduce?

[dapper moth]

Anyone got a go-to armory loadout for triage? Vault space is tight so i'd like to save space by just buying as much as possible from the armory when I go on an inevitable losing streak

[urban comet]

Is there a faction guide? Basically to decide the priority for choosing one. Ive leveled them up a little bit evenly but dont know what I should be doing tbh.

[stoic nymph]

Personally i prioritize traxus after knowing completing their main quest give option to buy gold weapon mods everyday. Right now i am focusing on nucaloric so i can buy purple shields.

Other faction upgrades don’t seem to be that impactful to me maybe besides sekiguchi for gold implants

[stoic nymph]

V11 cost only 50 credits iirc. I usually buy that whenever i play triage. Other volt weapons don’t seem that good

Twin tap gold effect mod doesn’t seem that good besides the stat it gives and maybe becoming 4 burst shot

[patent onyx]

Im excited about shell crafting

[nimble cloud]

what

[urban comet]

@patent onyxshell crafting??

[normal pewter]

wtf did they nerf the runner boots? last week it reduced cooldowns while sprinting. Now its just explosive resist

[patent onyx]

The cradle system in season 2. Being able to min/max shells is gonna be cool

[patent onyx]

The cradle system in season 2. Being able to min/max shells is gonna be cool

[nimble cloud]

oh

[rough lion]

Can anyone link me to an explanation of how Triage’s shareware actually works?

Main things I want to know:

1. Does me using Medkits and shield charges actually benefit my teammates if they have a drone on them?

2. What’s the “penalty” on the duration of buffs etc I spread via shareware? Eg if I pop a signal jammer that usually lasts 2 mins on myself, how long does it last on teammates my drones share it with?

[rough lion]

I like the v11 punch because it’s cheap and pretty good in the effective range triage wants to play in.

For the other, at the moment I run either the v66 lookout (for longer ranges) or the scar (for middle range). But tbh I’m not sure this is optimal even with triage’s volt ability, a better option might be the br33

[dapper patio]

its non meds, so only for things like cardio kick, signal jammer etc

for duration its 40% I'm pretty sure, though there are cores that increase this iirc

also, I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain that it doesn't even have to be your drone, they just have to have a drone, unless this got fixed

[dim grail]

are there any useful links in here for damage numbers and stats?

[rough lion]

Ok thank you - I’ve seen so many mixed messages on this!

[dapper patio]

for healing theres a purple core that significantly improves the heal rate of the drone, but thats it

there are other cores too, but thats the only drone - healing one im aware of

[tacit oriole]

hey i had a question about chip mods. if you have a chip mod like keyboard warrior that doesnt specifically say for this weapon does it apply to whatever my secondary weapon is as well for the duration?

[dapper patio]

i would imagine so? but then again, some of the wording is horrifically inconsistent

one of those things you may just need to test

[rigid thunder]

Yo, I got a gold triage core called the Samaritan, should I sell or keep.
It basically makes getting the med drones out quicker but like-
That's a good 3K I could use for a shotgun ngl

[cinder quiver]

do a few rook runs if you need money i say

[dapper patio]

selling for 3k should be illegal

3k is pennies

less than a purple treasure

[rigid thunder]

Fr, I'm just asking cause like, that's inventory space BEGGING to be free'd

[deft sand]

Send a picture in #📽️run-clips

[lyric vault]

works off your self-repair speed as well i believe

[native crescent]

best lmg for outpost? lmk asap tryna get critical against rooks

[native nebula]

I think shields transfer too, at least a bit

[native nebula]

Idk I prefer an smg bc of how close quarters everything is

[native crescent]

im asking from a primary context, i’ll always run a wstr or bully as a secondary

[native nebula]

Oh I use an smg as my primary all the time, but in terms of lmgs idk I just think they’re not super suited for the PvP part

I’d probably go with either of the ones that aren’t the ramp up fire rate one

I can’t remember the names

[native crescent]

dont blame ya lol i just go off looks

[native crescent]

ive had some nice encounters in the pinwheel with my lmg and its nice having the magazines size especially with rooks running around

[native nebula]

Mag size is a good point

[native crescent]

lmg combined with a bully drum mag is such a crisp combo

[limber citrus]

Is there a guide for what sort of builds to bring into what area? Like I assume Outpost is harder than Perimeter right? So bringing a free kit to outpost would just be harder?

[acoustic oak]

Bring in whatever you feel comfortable with bringing in

Guess with Outpost, a shotgun is probably quite beneficial

Maybe the Copperhead SMG as well

[twin estuary]

A good trio in a free kit can still outplay a trio that's kitted, synergy in your kit is more important than the build itself

[acoustic oak]

Please do not go in with a free kit

At least, not if you're crew filling

[mental void]

80% of fills are free kits

[limber citrus]

Why not? Sorry I'm kind of new to extraction shooters, level 21 right now

[acoustic oak]

It's not ideal for the other players who have crew filled with gear as well as being big disadvantage for yourself

[limber citrus]

I assumed the level of your gear was taken into account during match making

[acoustic oak]

No, it's level based matchmaking iirc

[limber citrus]

Ah damn

My fault then, need to start making credits to buy consistent loadouts. Not sure how

[rocky prism]

Is there any really effective uesc shield break technique? Like triage emp? Or recon spider grenade? Tryna solo the warden on dire marsh

[acoustic oak]

Free kit as a solo and being sneaky works aight

If you can get a lockbox key or two, good to loot the lockbox rooms for some decent value gear

You can rush the airdrop on Perimeter, if you're lucky you can get a key for a locked room

May not be a locked room on the map you're currently in, however

[limber citrus]

I've seen people mention if you shoot at the hand holding the shield (the little square hole) it takes half as many shots and stuns the mech

[acoustic oak]

Dire Marsh Warden doesn't have the deployable shield, it has a gold shield

You can use an EMP to stun them and dump a lot of damage into it whilst stunned

[rocky prism]

Ok cool

[limber citrus]

Ah my mistake sorry

[acoustic oak]

I don't even dare attempt it myself

Mostly because I only go in with a V11 Punch usually

[twin estuary]

I always trio fill in a free kit because I cant trust the people filling in to do what I am doing

Then if I find a couple guys I enjoy playing w, we use kits from there

[cinder escarp]

I can’t actually contain my excitement

For the new map

[limber citrus]

Just took a good kit into a trio fill and everyone else had a free kit and we died lmao

[mental void]

5k, curious if its real cost or current cost

I am sure people will find the most budget kit to go

We know a green kit is 4k from the prebuild kits

[signal spindle]

A WSTR and M77 with no mods is nearly 4k on their own so you can definitely run Cryo on a budget

[keen eagle]

You should be able to select an option in queue if you want to matchmake with people using free kits

Or if you use a free kit, get placed with others using one

[twin estuary]

The free shotgun by itself with meds works

[humble hill]

the free kit warriors

[mental void]

Ig people will run with Grey db and pistol XD

[cinder escarp]

Then you get railed by the guy with the maxxed railgun and bully

[signal spindle]

Yeah I'm not encouraging it lol just pointing out that 5k isn't as big as people think

[twin estuary]

Ngl the guns i like are the cheap ones so I regularly struggle to break 3k lol

[sharp tartan]

Making 5k isn't too bad for Cryo runs, especially if you're just picking up valuables from other maps and dumping barter items

The main reason people have a hard time keeping credits is because they dump every valuable in the game for more white barter items

Which kills your credit gain per game

Focus only on the barter items you need for a specific faction you're upgrading and toss the rest; You'll find yourself with a lot more cash by extracting out white valuable stacks

[hidden heart]

Give me all your unstable biomass you don't need it pls I'm starving over here I just want the nucaloric upgrades for no reason at all don't worry about it

[sharp tartan]

It's funny because NuCal stops taking biomass after most of the first upgrades

[hidden heart]

I know and it honks 😭

[twin estuary]

I use biomass and diodes for free meds

We are not the same

[sharp tartan]

Yeah, we're not, because I have 80 health kits and shield charges just laying around lmao

[twin estuary]

diodes and biomass stack better lol

you have way too many stacks taking up stash space

[sharp tartan]

Jokes on you, I have that many shield and medkits alongside way too much diodes and biomass. I just don't run out of meds to need to use the biomass and diodes I have

[cinder quiver]

ok john marathon

[twin estuary]

lowkey i sold all my excess medkits that cyac and nucal keep giving me

[pseudo flame]

Lowkey where were you when I needed a kit and my team went off to chase squirrels? @twin estuary

[lucid ridge]

im about to delete this stupid fucking game why tf is there still death bugs on exfill just got all purple from pin whele and died after succesfully exfilling fuck this fucking game

[glass gyro]

just lost my loadout to a still waiting error after exfil too lol

[twin estuary]

I didnt even know this was a thing

[twin estuary]

Probably shooting your team with my buddy, queueing duo into trios 💀

[lucid ridge]

im about to delete this stupid fucking game why tf is there still death bugs on exfill just got all purple from pin whele and died after succesfully exfilling fuck this fucking game

[twin estuary]

Oh so youre just a copypasta dork

Literally 10 messages in this discord and 9 of them are this

[hidden heart]

Block and move along, folks, just block and move along.

[keen matrix]

Who cares

So easy to get loot again lol

[fleet radish]

It's called ✨ attention seeking ✨

[frosty wolf]

I cant go indepth with build as im very poor, but can someone make an infinite hatred destroyer build?

[stoic nymph]

Is the gold mod for curcuit breaker good? I have it in my shop rifht now and j have the schema

[shut orbit]

Hey I have a question, when is it considered acceptable to exfil without your team of randoms?

[sharp sierra]

depends do they seem to have room temp iq? yes

is your kit worth a lot of money and theyre running free? yes

[neat jay]

roomtemp IQ being Celsius

[shut orbit]

i mean its a weird feeling when you have a free kit and then find lots of good shit, then die. its like, did i lose anything?

[edgy wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-and-furious-vin-diesel-paul-walker-rude-never-gif-12399066

[slow nimbus]

what do you mean there's a build crafting chat and you can't post images

[dawn sky]

What do you guys normally put on the 2 pump shotty? I've just been going for range, but curious if other stats are better, like aim assist or recoil

[untold herald]

do pistols need a buff or am I tripping?

[cinder quiver]

i quite like the light ammo one

[fringe halo]

Anybody know if of triage's battery overcharge increases weapon damage?

[olive remnant]

The magnum is really good honestly. I really like the Light ammo one too slap a suppressor on it and it really handles UESC

[rigid thunder]

Yo, is the H-AR worth?
I can trade a set of 3 reflex coils for one but I've never used one before

[tardy solar]

this cluster payload x2 stacks like double dmg

spider on recon ?

[vital thistle]

It’s good

[rigid thunder]

Bet

[native nebula]

I like it. The only downside is the slow ADS time, but if you put a mod on it that decreases it then it’s nice

[rigid thunder]

Beeeet, just got it. Shit was purple modded out so I'm defo gonna bring it into a big raid tomorrow once I get a chance

[arctic raven]

I like it. Decent mag size. Hard to compete with a good bully though

[frosty lodge]

v11 punch with triages overcharge is lowkey busted

[unreal karma]

Hello Bungie can we get a marathon app like destiny, where we can buildcraft and make pre made builds ?

[native nebula]

Yep I’ll release it tomorrow

[near rampart]

i think i love you

[native nebula]

Love you too

[acoustic oak]

2.5K sponsored kit gets you a backpack, the 4k encrypted doesnt

wew

[arctic raven]

NuCaloric blue kits are kind of expensive unfortunately. 25 Neurochem packs or Tarax seeds

[quick vault]

I really don't get Bungies balancing in this game. The Brrt is an expensive and meh SMG whereas the Bully is super cheap and a million times better. It's so strange to me, almost like they made a mistake in the damage numbers.

Does the Brrt get better than the Bully with certain attachments or something?

Same with the Copperhead SMG, much more expensive, total trash. I don't get it.

[keen matrix]

brrt is best ttk in game of smgs...

[quick vault]

It doesn't feel like it though. The Bully drops players much more consistently in my experience. The Brrt on the other sounds amazing when you fire it but in nearly all cases enemy players are surviving longer. It doesn't make sense

[keen matrix]

yeah I mean, bully has a slower ttk than brrt and v22... regardless of how you "feel"

[signal spindle]

possibly a handling or accuracy/recoil thing? If you're used to the Bully's handling and land more of your bullets than you do with the BRRT, that could explain it

[fringe halo]

If you factor in the burst delay though i think it might actually be the worst smg ttk wise.

Ttk spreadsheet from this video:
https://youtu.be/P-gS2dxETgo?si=Ie22QknqnrLQHhyo

I'm not sure if the burst delay adjustment here is correct though, but it still does a lot to the ttk

[keen matrix]

yeah i mean just control it 😄

he said he hasnt really done th calc there

v22 is slowly becoming my favorite tho - thing absolutley slaps

[stuck spindle]

why is the circuit breaker so terrible in this sheet? is it using the charge time or is it just that bad?

[fringe halo]

Idk haven't used the circuit breaker so not sure how it works

[stuck spindle]

i dont have a clueless emoji yet so im using 7 as a placeholder

[fringe halo]

I think his adjusted rpm is lower but haven't done any testing myself. I think brrt might be around 720-750 rpm which was a common rpm for smgs in destiny

[fringe halo]

The sheet doesn't capture everything, i think he or others mentioned the strength of some of the weapons is in the shot to kill rather than ttk

Like the repeater for ex

[stuck spindle]

alr

good to see the railguns are still terrible

[native nebula]

Yeah idk what kind of buff would help them rn they’re just shitty snipers

[stuck spindle]

Making them punch through walls idk, i would use more weapons if i had a firing range to test them in

PLEASE BUNGIE ADD A FIRING RANGE

[cinder quiver]

good god that would make me a recon main

[stuck spindle]

Firing range 🙏

[cinder quiver]

no the walls thing

[stuck spindle]

Ik

Maybe if we skin enough runners we get firing range

[cinder quiver]

well it cant hurt

except for the runners

[sharp tartan]

The railgun has a purpose that just isn't in the game yet. If it follows the original game, then when they release the S'pht, railguns will be used specifically to crack their advanced shields and armor

[keen eagle]

It does feel good imo

[sharp tartan]

I think the V22 feels so good because it does the same damage regardless of where you hit someone. It doesn't have a headshot mult

[keen matrix]

yeah its also good with the auto tracking you can kind of like strafe without worrying about hitting headshots

[cinder quiver]

well that makes it less frustrating

[pure egret]

Anyone ever use a thermal with the bully? Does it feel good or is it a bad fit?

[hardy sequoia]

It's because Heavy Rounds innately have a larger hit register to a target (so larger bullets) and then, adding weapon mods on it, increases the Aim Assist that just make the hit register even larger.
Setup a Bully with all AA mods and aim it at the collarbone of a enemy and you'll get headshot registers.

[vast tide]

I keep opening up pinwheel and then dying to a squad thats already in there, even after I got the announcement that I'm the first one to open it? Can anyone explain?

[hallow belfry]

I don’t think every access point sends a notification

[cinder quiver]

yep there's one type of entry that gets you in without an alarm

needs a one of a kind key

[hallow belfry]

The one that spawns randomly and you only have a short window to get in I assume

[cinder quiver]

conveyance request i think it's called

[hallow belfry]

Yeah

I think the destroyed wing access also didn’t send a notification

I feel like they should bring it back but force players to fight a wave or two to get in as well, that would balance it decently

[vast tide]

Its happened like 3 times isnt that rare?

[hallow belfry]

No, it’s a well known way of getting in

If I was in a trio or solo running for pinwheel I would go for the easiest access every time

[vast tide]

ah okay ty, how do you find it?

[hallow belfry]

It’s a key that spawns randomly in flight control, processing, or dorms

I think it only have a few spawn locations

[turbid lark]

may not have an alarm but it do be loud as hell

[dawn sky]

Anyone have stats on suppressors? Like what's the range reduction to the gunshot audio. Do all rarities of suppressors share the same suppression stat?

[edgy wyvern]

Sitting duck too 🦆

[copper cipher]

Do Volt Cell weapons like the Zeus Railgun and the Volt shotgun deal extra damage against the UESC? And do they get buffed with Triage’s ability?

[ivory siren]

What are some actually good chip mods

[urban comet]

Anyone willing to share their vandal builds?

[signal spindle]

the one that overfills your magazine when you reload from empty goes crazy on the WSTR

since you're going to be emptying that one a lot, and it basically gives you an extra 50% capacity on the double barrel, which is a big deal

[urban comet]

so 3 shots instead of 2?

[signal spindle]

yessir

[dawn sky]

I got a purple chip that makes me invisible when reloading from empty. Crazy on the shotgun as well

[acoustic oak]

the gold mod for the br33 suppresses the gun too, wew

that's nice

[analog loom]

question for y'all. how does Background process weapon mod work with volt weapons? does it load a new battery from your stock? or does it recharge it?

[stuck spindle]

you simply generate the electricity with your footsteps, this is why the game canonically takes place in japan

[versed wigeon]

Do we know for sure what stats have a hard cap?

[twin estuary]

It just recharges (for free but slowly)

Combine with a weapon backpack for more value

[analog loom]

noted! ty!

[hushed hull]

Insurrection and Torch Bug are good PvE mods I use often

[twin estuary]

I love the mini-jammers

The one that gives an accuracy boost to the first few shots goes really hard on LMGs,SMGs, and a lot of single shot guns

The one that returns ammo to the magazine on headshot kills

[livid shore]

Not sure but I don’t think so. But there’s a mod that does more damage to UESC, I always put it on a V11 Punch and if you land headshots you can take down even purple shielded bots in no time. Even better if you’re using Triage and use his overcharge ability to EMP them.

[lapis sapphire]

Anyone know solid pve and pvp kits together? Heard the lmg is slept on but idk

[keen eagle]

I kind of like the LMG. Not saying it is the best but it does feel pretty good and has lots of ammo.

[digital wren]

ttk seems so ridiculous.. dont even have time to react when i get shot ffrom behind

[prisma turtle]

What are the ways to get hacked in this game?

I was in a building with no one else inside it 1 minute into the round and somehow I kept getting hacked seemingly at random. Building had only one entrance and it was clear. Then I was getting hacked again a few minutes later as I was pushing a kitted assassin, they 100% did not have a line-of-sight on me but I was in very close proximity.

The only one I can think of is Thief's ability, but I'm thinking maybe the assasin had a core or something?

[prisma turtle]

So far for me the only issue with ttk is getting knifed, which is mostly a skill issue since I can't react quick enough to pull out a knife and make some distance

[dawn fog]

i feel like ive weapon seen chip mods where precision elims hack nearby enemies

[prisma turtle]

Interesting, I was pretty far from the nearest objective with UESCs so probably not that unless it has enormous range

[opaque drift]

Hello! What is build crafting? Also does it have to do with shells? Cause I am struggling like crazy with recon. How do I use the drone well? It does not seem to do what I want it to ever

[errant spear]

Suh im new to buildcrafting wassup

[twin estuary]

Build crafting is basically just theorycrafting to create synergies

Recon's drone is really buggy

[bitter fog]

What’s the name of it

[hazy widget]

I believe it is called Opportunist

Nvm I googled it and its apparently called "see ya"

[midnight oyster]

has anyone used early warning system on recon

[glad sinew]

what's the point of the charge rifles

[signal spindle]

The railguns are a little weaker than the snipers in terms of pvp and pve right now but people theorize their niche is killing stronger alien enemies like the compilers

[fluid wasp]

for the Bully, is the weighted barrel or precision barrel better

[jolly raptor]

can i use the 10k credit sponsored kits to load into cryo?

[cursive dirge]

yea

if the loadout value is above 5k

[native crescent]

anyone know what guns dominate cryo

or would it still be bully smg - wstr loadout

[twin estuary]

Personal preference really. The aim assist helps with headshot securing if you can track but arent precise

ads precision helps more if youre good at precision

[signal spindle]

I've been rolling WSTR and BR33

[north mauve]

If i have "100 melee damage", thats for each light or heavy attack?

[twin estuary]

That increases all of your melee damage

Knives do more melee damage than quick melee

[silver crag]

when I track a weapon mod, does the game highlight the mods disregarding the rarity, or only the rarity of the one I tracked? I'm specifically looking for thermal sights but there's different rarities

[north mauve]

I want to build something for knife but i don't really get how the knife damage works

How much base damage has quick attack, light melee and heavy melee, for example? Can i check it somewhere?

[marble breach]

does anyone know if stolen intel perk on an implant also pings runners? it says defeating a nearby commander pings nearby hostiles but idk if that just means bots

[twin estuary]

Yes

[twin estuary]

No clue 🤷‍♀️

[rocky prism]

Is there any point in using triages battery over charger when you don’t have volt weapons?

[inland solar]

Just jumped on and 1st timer...I wanna love Recon and I main her despite self reporting myself every time I use the ult 😢

I know the game just launched but any chance of a slight tweak

[cobalt plover]

it buffs all damage from firearms so yes

you just get the emp from volt weapons

[arctic raven]

use a scar or v11

[fringe drift]

https://marathonmeta.gg/builds/9a7e978b-94e3-4b1f-b4c3-beda9dfbb87d

[boreal flame]

What do the different shapes of chip mods denote

[drowsy goblet]

I think it correlates to the trigger, but I would have to compare effects to see. But ie ornithologist and signal jammer both have the same shape I think, and both are activated from ads

[halcyon sluice]

is the circuit breaker shotgun good for pvp without the gold mod?

[drowsy goblet]

Lol no, you should totally give it to me so you don't have to deal w that garbage clogging ur inventiry

But no it's good, just gotta play kinda smart with it if you don't have mods that affect charge time/ power

It doesn't auto fire at full charge so it's definitely playable if you time it right, you just have to anticipate that a nearby enemy could recognize the charging sound

[halcyon sluice]

alright, thank you

i would give you one fr, but sadly it'd just be borrowed

what about the CE tactical sidearm? i have the gold mod for that

but my friend says its bad for anything above green shield

[placid scaffold]

👀

[twin estuary]

Nah it's goated

[humble osprey]

I see different types of triggers (cloudborn/five finger discount) on mods with the same appearance. I still can't figure out what the shapes mean!

[lime roost]

got a 240melee dmg

[lime roost]

can confirm 240 melee dmg makes no difference to 100 melee damage

still cant 1 tap a white shield

a full gold kit melee build? Not allowed to 1 tap a white kit

A common double barrel? can 2 tap a purple at close range : (

[twin estuary]

With knife or quick melee

[lime roost]

knife bro....

[twin estuary]

Just asking bruv

[lime roost]

it was always take a minimum of 2 hits to kill a player with melee though

[twin estuary]

Are you light melee-ing or heavy

[lime roost]

heavy silly goose

[twin estuary]

Wait no I know why yeah because melee doesnt pierce past shields

Derp

(Im the derp)

[lime roost]

what?

melee does do dmg past shields....

[twin estuary]

Melee damage doesnt overflow after shields, is what I was told

[lime roost]

your hit will do health dmg

[twin estuary]

So you always have to hit twice

Someone lied to me then :<

[lime roost]

it goes past shield, but yes theres a system in place to always keepy enemy at atleast some health

basically making assassins gold core useless though

atleast the melee one

[shut cove]

why build craft when everyone just runs assassin with the double barrel? whats the point of gear if the only thing anyone uses is 1 gun no build behind it

[acoustic oak]

i dont run assassin with the double barrel

discussion over

it was always going to come to this, the community will find the easiest and cheapest way to get loot from the environment and other players

if you're dying to assassins with shotguns all the time, maybe it's not the problem of the other player...

[topaz patio]

I think the fun part of PvP is finding a meta and then thinking of ways to stomp em like bugs

[near jasper]

anyone using ornithologist?

[twin estuary]

I like to use it on cheap kits but I dont know how distracting it actually is

[void wharf]

I’ve had good success against the combat shotgun by recognizing it as early as possible and controlling the tempo of their aggression with area denial grenades. This worked out really well in Cryo Archives yesterday; enemy crew spotted, one of us noticed the double barrel, I used toxic grenades immediately to control their ability to react. They couldn’t get close, they can’t shotgun you.

[unkempt shale]

This right here

People whine ab the wstr so much but if you recognize it asap it’s easy to counter

It’s a genuine skill issue

[void wharf]

Information is pinnacle. Everything else is a reaction based on information. It’s cliche as fuck but “know thy enemy” and such but it really makes the difference.

[unkempt shale]

If you run outpost and cryo a lot just assume everyone has it lol

[void wharf]

Honestly I was surprised for my first Cryo runs to see a few Longshots too lol did not expect that but it makes sense.

[unkempt shale]

Same I’ve been bringing some w thermals

[void wharf]

That’s smart. I’ve been stockpiling all the grenades I can; the tox grenades and EMP grenades are insanely useful on Cryo

[unkempt shale]

You REALLY have to use utility like crazy on cryo, controlling the fight is so important with how cramped it can get

[void wharf]

It’s so damn good. It’s been a blast exploring the nuance of Cryo

I’m currently working on building a dedicated PvE weapon as my secondary for Cryo. There is a great weapon mod that adds significant damage to UESC forces; I like to pair that with EMP grenades and the mods pertaining to damaging EMP’d enemies. M

[unique tangle]

how do i unlock vip faction upgrades?

[twin estuary]

By getting to I think level 31

Which is VIP 1

(I think)

[ocean perch]

what does the triage shooting ability do exactly? like increase fire rate, more damage, or is it just the emp with volt weapons thing?

[twin estuary]

More dps but I havent really had a chance to play with it too much

I should 🤔

[high vortex]

theres an amazing implant mod that makes you invis when you get precision kills, I love pairing it with stryder or lookout(the volt precision) and a flechette or firefly gun mod

enemies constantly break aggro and you get healed for chewing through crowds

[upper maple]

does anybody know why the gold traxus mod is for today? psn is down so i couldnt log in to check

[twin estuary]

It should be dif for everyone innit?

[twin estuary]

I found that implant

Idk if im ever gonna have the balls to run it lol

[upper maple]

oh i couldve swore the gold mods were all the same.

couldve been confirmation bias but i remember seeing the mods in the armory when people were talking about new golds that first week

[twin estuary]

Idk tbh

[high vortex]

Ive had it show up on white and green chest implants

I wish we could sort by that trait

[twin estuary]

I found it on someone else's body, never seen it prior

I didnt even realize what it did, I just replaced my white implant w it (it was green) and next thing I know, im going invisible lol

[high vortex]

I didnt mind not being able to track individual perks before, but ever since discovering the perk I have to scan every single chest mod just in case it has it

[grizzled cliff]

When picking Cores, do they each have to be Unique or can I pick two of the same core and get 2x the effect?

Trying to run double Tag! on Vandal for increased Disrupt Cannon damage but not sure they'll both apply the damage increase or just one

[solid sand]

Circuit Tracers plus WSTR or any of the snipers is a crazy combo

[jolly raptor]

which response curve is most similar to destiny on controller?

[humble spire]

Classic

[snow sluice]

spectre protocol is an insane blue implant that feels like it should be a gold ngl

free invis off bot kills??

on ANY shell?

[warm berry]

I used this once!!! Died before I figured out what did it and ive been trying to find it ever since, its so good!!!

[edgy wyvern]

How much health does a downed runner have?

[twin estuary]

Double cores doesn't stack

Blast Off tho pairs well w Tag!

Increased damage and no self damage

[twin estuary]

It can be on green, too

But it's just on torso implants afaik, just like the invis-while-reviving

[void wharf]

There is also one that gives you invis when you reload which doesn’t seem like much but it can be nice

[dull ginkgo]

Does savior complex (increased revive speed when you're the only remaining crew member) work in solos?

[neon tartan]

It doesn’t increase self-revive speed so no

[dull ginkgo]

It says it increases revive speed, and revive speed stat says it counts for self-revives as well

[twin estuary]

Yes

Or it "should"

The buff should appear on your HUD if so

[acoustic oak]

Purple backpack, only materialist and not materialist+

[lapis light]

Green Bully SMG is a great budget firearm

[grizzled cliff]

Awesome thanks!! I'll try to find one of those, they seem incredibly difficult to find lol

[flat stirrup]

I'm really enjoying the Circuit Tracers weapon chip, but it seems they're not in the store. Does anyone know a way of finding them relatively reliably?

I've only found a single one of them that wasn't grey. They're really, really solid when paired with a Punch for UESC, I can basically infil with 2 volt batteries and leave with 1, sometimes 2, left.

[main canopy]

how low can we get the cooldown on thief grapple? also recon drone?

[sick epoch]

My lowest was 28 seconds for the hook with a full backpack, although I'm not sure if I had any implants for tactical recovery

[austere socket]

Spec in the recovery stats

You’ll only be able to spec in one at a time since there is augmented and tactical recovery

[acoustic oak]

One of the weapon mods can drastically reduce the cool down

I forgot what it is called but basically if you get an elimination after using the ability, it reduces the cool down time

[void wharf]

I don’t understand the purpose of Railguns. They would make sense if we fought vehicles or stationary targets lol is there some kind of nuance or mods that make them more viable?

[signal spindle]

their purpose is that every time I get one as a faction reward it's an extra couple thousand credits in my wallet ngl

they're kind of just not as good as snipers at the moment

[wet blaze]

account based in Olympus Mons, Mars

[wet blaze]

they do 1shot body from a fair distance away

[stuck spindle]

Account based in true land

[signal spindle]

that's fair, but I think I still prefer the sniper even if going for the headshot takes a little more

[wet blaze]

the only budget gun you need is punch

not even green

[signal spindle]

It might just be personal preference but I always struggled to get the best utility out of weapons that you need to charge up while consistently aiming at your target vs ones where you only need to aim once

[wet blaze]

thats true

thats why i dont use the charge options on the volt guns

[signal spindle]

but that's a playstyle/personal skill thing tbh more so than the actual weapon itself

[stuck spindle]

My favourite budget gun is lowk the knife

[wet blaze]

railgun is a great opening volley

[wet blaze]

i mean...

BO2 ballistic knife in marathon when?

[stuck spindle]

That would be a really funny yellow core for assasin or something

[wet blaze]

holy trvthnvke

[sharp sage]

What's the max aim assist you can get, and how does it combine with the volt weapons which have tracking projectiles?

[twin estuary]

Aim Assist is effectively bullet size

Range has more to do with volt weapon tracking

[hushed igloo]

looking for 1 more for cryo runs im level 45 my buddy is 78 we trynna run shit down have a mic

[teal hill]

would destroyer or assassin be better for a melee build?

you can 2 tap purple shields it's disgusting

[paper mesa]

Like in Apex ?

[devout forum]

HOW CAN I FARM CIRCUIT TRACERS CHIP

[shut orbit]

does anyone feel like a lot of the runner specific cores, and cores in general are very weak?

[vague pecan]

Been wondering about this myself. Figured I just had not figured it out yet. For being called "cores", I'm not feeling it.

[mellow ember]

There are some good ones and a lot of underwhelming ones for sure

[timid juniper]

What does "Defeating UESC with knife kills gives credits" mean. Is it credits the item, or credits that will be awarded upon exfil/death. Important distinction.

[jade spade]

this feels like the most appropriate channel to ask this: does anyone have any specific numbers on the impact of tactical/prime recovery and how thats calculated?

[pulsar basin]

Weak is maybe not quite the reight word, but "niche" feels accurate

which does kinda make them weak when its using that slot of either something that may never matter or something that's always going to be good

[odd escarp]

it's the item

[timid juniper]

Dang thank you

[polar hatch]

Destroyer, you can push with shield + boost and knife

Assassin is for rat losers

[lime roost]

assassin for homies who yearn to get those sweet sweet revives

we all know assassin is secretly a support runner

[livid carbon]

me when im in dust palace pinwheel and my stupid teammates die to the phalanxes shield uesc so i have to play bladedancer play assassin and stealth revive

time is a flat circle

[livid carbon]

thruster into heavy knife swing slightly early so you get the whiff animation and get the followup 2nd heavy swing faster

assassin cannot do this

well not wtih the gapclose but atleast you can do the same thing if you aim off target and then flick on after you hit heavy but before the swing finishes to force the whiff anim

since theres a delay between button press and it actually doing damage

[placid totem]

Has anyone figured out the best melee sequence? Better to heavy melee or light? So far I've just been heavy attacking

[livid carbon]

if you are stacking melee damage and they arent full health its better to go for 1 light 1 heavy as far as i can tell

[placid totem]

Alright, Ill try it, thank you

[lime roost]

personally i prefer 2 heavies for most

lights combo can be nice but i feel tends to disappoint me more

but always start with a heavy

[cursive yoke]

what are the opinions about triages synergy with the EMP stuff? like, the weapon chip that gives health/sheild regen when hitting an EMP target and whatever purple shell mod that improves his energy boost thing

[fast shuttle]

is there any consensus on a good solo shell/build?

I'd like to steer away from assassin a bit, I was thinking thief, or triage

[cursive yoke]

assasin is a very funny solo shell, purely cause i know how to cheese knife fights

(jump at max lunge distance, you just swipe at them without the lock on lunge)

(and it still connects)

[azure harness]

is there a way to reduce the cooldown on the thief drone more so i can use it more often?

[fast shuttle]

crazy tip, gonna try this, many thanks

[cursive yoke]

its the same kind of thing in destiny with melees how it swipes, still hits, but doesnt lock on and lunge

[cursive yoke]

its inconsistent, but jumping ALWAYS throws people off in a knife fight

[fast shuttle]

knife seems to be bit overtuned, difficult to defend against with everything besides a shotgun

but yeah its fun

[cursive yoke]

just keep an eye out for the 4TH assassin when your looting

[fast shuttle]

yeah man solo seems to be dominated by assassins

[cursive yoke]

yeah

[fast shuttle]

feels like playing alien isolation I kid you not

[cursive yoke]

his ult is actually really good for if you get caught out

just throw it AT the person or through a doorway and when they go in you basically get a free kill if you circle strafe them

[fast shuttle]

that's actually clever, because instinct tells you to throw it under your legs haha

[cursive yoke]

its a puck that bounces twice

toss that shit in a line for a MASSIVE smoked roation option

or a big fuck off arena that they cant see in or out of AND CANT SEE YOU IN EITHER

unless they use thermals, but whos using thermals in solo?

[fast shuttle]

exactly this haha

noob question, whats the dmg multipler for backstabs? or these are instant? all I tried got mixed results, surely Im doing something wrong

[cursive yoke]

heavy stabs crack blues and down in 1, purps are 2 heavys

i dont think theres a damage boost for backstabbing

i could be wrong tho

[fast shuttle]

this explains why people often DO bring a knife to a gun fight

[cursive yoke]

lmao

rooks that are good with knives are fucking scary, man

[fast shuttle]

not too slow, huh?

still a 1vs3 scenario gives me the creeps

[cursive yoke]

catch one out, claymores for the 2nd (or even 3rd) and then just corner peak the 3rd if hes still up

[fast shuttle]

the number of times people are blindly pushing is beyond me, very risky behavior

same for mag dumping into destroyer shields

for some its like an instinct at this point

[signal spindle]

Yesterday I saw an assassin kill an assassin, and then get ambushed while looting by another assassin

[mighty raft]

Genuinely sounds like sum that has happen to me

[cinder quiver]

trust noone, not even yourself

[signal spindle]

Regrettably I was also an assassin, which is how I could watch it happen

[cinder quiver]

were all 4 of you by any chance hanging around bio-hazard on dire marsh

[signal spindle]

Overflow on Perimeter

[cinder quiver]

cause i was the dead and decomposing vandal

[royal wharf]

Can you guys craft the build where you match in with a microphone FFS

[signal spindle]

I replaced my mic just for this game and nobody else uses it lol

[safe flare]

remind me: does going over 100 of a stat actually change anything? example being 155 melee damage

[twin estuary]

Yes but iirc it has diminishing returns

I dont know the exact math

[safe flare]

oooh fair noted :3

[twin estuary]

I will say someone did build a 350 melee damage assassin and apparently it always takes a minimum of 2 melee to down someone

There's a hard protection against one tapping in melee

[safe flare]

oh swag

wait melee heavy or light?

[hexed mortar]

Does anyone know how much damage can Riot Barrier take before breaking?

[burnt leaf]

i saw a youtuber one shotting white sheilds with melee the other day

[twin estuary]

Then someone lied to me

[lime roost]

Hmmmm, I've gotta see this silliness

[safe flare]

i like buildcrafting, shame ill never be able to retain the gear i get :D (this is satire)

[cinder quiver]

anyone else start exfils as rook then walk away just to mess with other teams?

[safe flare]

not me but i should try that if i ever get a vault redo

[cinder quiver]

i havent checked but i suspect that they expire after some time

[safe flare]

they do

[cinder quiver]

ahahah i love it

[safe flare]

i also want to try out a build that combines destroyer with lmg + ankle breaker but i am not that skillful at times so lol

[cinder quiver]

like i said in run-clips

[void wharf]

It’s real tactic my teammates and I use. Start an exfil, get a good angle and wait. Or if we’re trying to do something hit the exfil and then just leave and do what we planned to do.

Is that message all scrambled up to anyone else?! lol

Okay never mind visual glitch lmao

[versed oasis]

Is there a good wiki yet with the different cores/implants? Trying to build my thief out around solo loot runs but she seems to mainly have support driven cores.

[cunning parrot]

tauceti.gg is a decent wiki

[cold kite]

Just found out green shield rook can survive direct explosion from his claymores. Just spawned in tailed a trio into Hauler and would hold a claymore in front of me and drop it when they get close, got three kills and would have won if they didn’t have a triage. The funniest run I’ll ever have.

[sand reef]

anyone have any real use for the railguns? i have 2 wasting space in my stash, i feel like a longshot would do a better job even farming wardens then the railguns, especially since the railguns have a 55m range

[polar flax]

Does anyone know if the materialist plus or the rolls/abilities on cores are active without playing "the required shell"

Like does my materialist + proc if I run anyone other than vandal when having a vandal core?

[mossy drift]

Im trying to get the compiler fight unlocked so I can try out the spartan laser mod for the zues rg and see what the dps is like. But as far as actual use cases beyond that, im not sure lol

[sand reef]

yes it just needs to be in your inventory, not even equiped

[polar flax]

Materialist procs just being in inventory confirmed? I have seen other players/streamers switch em out end of raid

[mossy drift]

Im sure thats just out of fear of it not working

[polar flax]

Makes sense, cheers. Good to know

[mossy drift]

Would rather play it safe and get the rewards than to not do it and it not work I suppose

[cinder quiver]

the what :D

[mossy drift]

It makes the Zeus rg fire two projectiles at a time

[cinder quiver]

that sounds pretty awesome, but it doesnt sound like the spartan laser

[mossy drift]

Thats precisely what I said

I was imagining the one from halo 3

[cinder quiver]

didnt know it worked differently in any of the other games

[mossy drift]

I just only played up until 3 so I just said it to be sure lol

[versed oasis]

A Thief build I have been running to replenish credits/gather salvage from Dire Marsh as a solo in between running with my trio. The build is based around long-range engagements and being able to disengage from close-quarters combat.

Weapon choice:
Any precision rifle or longer-range AR works. I prioritize range and stability for mods. Chips are hard to recommend as all the early armory ones are kinda bunz.

Implants:

• Head: Regen V2: Nucal Rank 3: +25 self-repair and +10 revive are huge as a solo.
  -Torso: Survival kit V2: Mida rank 6: +10 to Self repair, Revive, and 3 other stats
• Legs: Graceful landings V2: Mida rank 4: +10 agility and +20 fall resistance. Good for getting away.

Cores:

• Boutique is available at Sekiguchi rank 3, and increases agility as you fill up your bag. More useful than Greed is Good which stipulates a full backpack.

Equipment:
-Best shields you can buy
-Best backpack you can buy

• bubble shield in the equipment slot if you have one. Keep smokes in your bag for extract or emergencies

Overall use:
Stay quiet and loot as many POI's as possible. Thief's goggles have gifted me many purple and even a legendary item in crates that other solos have missed.

This build excels in the mid to long range. Thief can get the high ground easily, often reaching areas where other shells simply can't. This allows you to take out other players who are in the open and challenge fights with the ability to self-rez if you get taken out (again, many shells cant get on top of buildings).

If you find yourself in a close-range engagement that you are not comfortable winning, you can pop a bubble shield or smoke. Use these items to break line of sight, grapple to get farther away than expected, and book it into the treeline/nearby buildings. The self-repair speed imparted by our implants helps get us back in the fight.

Use bots, distance, or height to give yourself the best self-rez chance. Remember this is a loot build, not a combat build.

https://mobalytics.gg/marathon/profile/503d8d53-272f-47d1-93d3-ae9f68f41307/builds/6a0d9a04-2c78-4931-b40f-e66e008c39e6

[gentle patrol]

Yo does anyone know why why heat capacity gets slammed to 0 when i equip all my implants?

i have 35 base, shield takes away 10

looking at all the implants they should be giving heat capacity, not taking away, one gives +4, another +5, but then equipping everything drops me from 25 to 0?

[safe flare]

question: does aim assist actually do anything for keyboard and mouse players in this game or is it a dump stat??

id imagine not

[cinder quiver]

i recall reading that it kind of makes bullets larger, so it helps

[safe flare]

wh

fr???

[cinder quiver]

that's what i read

[signal spindle]

yeah it gives you like

a very narrow cone

so that if your target is within the cone when you shoot, you'll hit

even if you'd be shooting very slightly off

you could aim for a headshot and instead of grazing an inch past their head it'll fully hit

it's like a very small AOE for your bullets

[safe flare]

i see

it would be nice if i could try out my builds but if i dare speak

[loud locust]

Does anyone know if Efficient Curatives perk works on advanced shields and patch kits or just green ones?
Its hard to tell if I am getting extra benefit as the blue ones already give you full shield and health. Speed maybe?

"using a shield charge or patch kit has a change to double its effectiveness"

[void oasis]

does smokescreen only drop smokes on a certain height?
as in if you throw it too high does it not work?

[granite surge]

I think the game just has a hard time calculating your actual distance to the ground

[hoary compass]

Has anyone found the new weapon chip "Punishment" that gives bonus damage vs [REDACTED] combatants? Is it talking about the Compiler?

[acoustic oak]

LMAO, I have a materialist+ grey leg implant

[twin estuary]

Yes

As in, yes, the compiler is [Redacted]

[hoary compass]

Thank you

[fast shuttle]

to be fair I am having trouble anticipating when I could use it during the drop, I swear it remains red and inactive most of the time. It is difficult to time

[glossy osprey]

wait whats redacted

[safe flare]

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE IS [Redacted]?.......
...
..
.
MY [Redacted]

[twin estuary]

Are we memeing or can I ask you to clarify

[glossy osprey]

I genuinely dont know what [Redacted] is

[kind mural]

we need a channel for #performancecrafting 😄

[twin estuary]

Redacted is a term, usually used by government entities, to describe something that is withheld or removed from the record

In Marathon, assume anything described as [REDACTED] refers to aliens, anomalous effects, time travel, etc

And as an enemy type, specifically the compiler boss

[native nebula]

Yeah like classified documents have redacted stuff

Or personal info

[hot wharf]

hey

[safe flare]

so for the universal mod "sucker punch", how much does it increase melee damage for depending on rarity?

example: little matt has a green sucker punch and is currently in a firefight with another player. he hits his shots enough for sucker punch to proc the damage boost, but he doesnt have his knife out. how much damage would he do compared to if his knife was out?

[glossy osprey]

Ahh thank you, I knew what redacted means lol, just not what people were referring to in the server

[fathom island]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3685300143

[jolly raptor]

does anyone have the numbers on how much a light attack vs a heavy attack does with the knife? Let's say I have 55 melee damage as my stat

[livid shard]

Hey guys, is there a website you all use to post builds or look up the specifics of how various stats and passive effects work?

[livid shard]

I saw a chart once, though I can't remember where so I can't give you exact numbers, sorry.

What I remember is that a light attack does close to the amount that your actual melee damage stat is. So like if you have 55, you probably do like 47 damage, or something like that. And then a heavy attack was a little less than double what your light attack is. The numbers scale to push everything closer to a median number.

[vestal idol]

is it just me or is the hardline just terrible in all fields

especially that god awful iron sight good lord

traxus you make me want to kill myself

[signal spindle]

I don't think the Hardline is that great but I have a soft spot for it

[dapper patio]

hardline is generally pretty bad, imo it's because it's in an awkward spot

fire rate & recoil is too high for long range, and having to spam fast is bad for mid-close range

plus the iron sights being easily the worst in the game

[vestal idol]

might just not be my weapon
the damage still feels weak for a percision

[feral root]

the damage is definitely not nearly as hard hitting as I'd think but it's still a pretty decent hitter imo

though it is really disappointing that if you land your shots you tend to lose most engagements to most other weapons given its weird state

[lofty sun]

I am convinced based off my testing that there is a hardcap at 100 for stats, does anything over 100 actually affect anything in game or is that a myth?

[acoustic oak]

There's certainly a hierarchy of weapons and their respective class that they're in.

You don't make the V11 Punch and Bully SMG as good as they are as some of the earlier guns you can buy by accident

The Hardline is there to fill that gap of "More range than the ARs and SMGs" but you swap it out immediately for a BR33, V66 or M1T

[twin estuary]

Ive found that as soon as you put a scope and 20% recoil reduction on the hardline, it becomes 100% more useable

[twin estuary]

I have to assume that over 100 matters, but has diminishing returns, only because of how easy it is to get over 100

[lofty sun]

I just want the devs to come out and tell us so ppl can figure this out

[fast shuttle]

What weapon to take as a newbie to remotely stand a chance?

I was thinking about that volt sbm, lemme check the name

[twin estuary]

Bully and punch

[fast shuttle]

I am working on arachne knife upgrades haha

[twin estuary]

Fair, but you asked what weapons to take as a newbie

Bully has good fire rate and big bullets so consistent hits

Punch has massive fist-sized bullets and good damage-rpm

[pale dagger]

aim assist vs. recoil barrel for precision weapons, what's good on what? recoil for br is whati like

[livid carbon]

recoil barrel for volley every time

[signal spindle]

V11 Punch is insane for 50 credits

[keen eagle]

Might be a slight hot take but smart play goes further than you think. Free kits are totally viable. Catch someone off guard or at the wrong time, and you can take them out easy- even if they have a better kit. Then you grab that gear and you're in business. It may not seem it at first but gear is pretty easy to come by. Maybe not all the best stuff but it is pretty easy to get kits together that are better than free kits.

Hell, you can run assassin with just a knife and do damage.

[wraith sigil]

I think too, knowing what fights to pick, as @winged bone suggested. I think the Hardline suffers in part because it encourages engaging at a distance that allows the other team to pivot to a range better suited to their weapon(s).

[keen eagle]

Yeah, also true. Tbh, another way to get gear is just do the contracts. Go solo as assassin and sneak around the maps. You can get a lot of gear that way and build up a more competitive kit.

Gear definitely helps but I think if you are really skilled it isn't as helpful (this is not me btw 🤣).

Assassin with some smokes is great for contract runs solo.

[fast shuttle]

my lads. How does the knife lunge works? is there any objective distance? halo infinite energy sword comes to my mind in multiplayer, but here it works differently

[twin estuary]

Nah it's basically energy sword

100%

It feels like the heavy attack was lifted straight from Halo 3

[manic lake]

anyone know whhy my enduring sprint kit v2 head implant with tox injectors nukes my heat capacity stat to 0 from like 50 when i equip it?

listed stats are heat capacity +4 agility +10 fall resistance +10 loot speed +10

but whenever i equip it my listed heat capacity goes to

dequipping my shield fixed it

seems like this bug has been known to bungie for at least a month now lol.. looked at the forums

[uneven bone]

I think it would be rad if you could make your own kits much like a sponsor or free kit but your stuff from the vault all set up. So while you have a little of free time waiting on the homie or you're just getting on for the day you can set yourself up a couple kits. So your next couple loadouts are ready to go. So if you get smacked right out of the gate you dont have to sit there raging for the next five minutes and build another load out. You can just equip it and have it ready to go.

[keen eagle]

didn't even lnow you could do this, now I need to google it

[keen eagle]

yeah, or like presets you could autofill from vault/auto buy from armory

[twin estuary]

Were you running a reinforced shield?

[past pecan]

guys, how many enzyme replicators do i need and what faction they are for ? I have 18 in my vault and i am wondering how many i can sell if i can sell them even

Because i know like 7 biolens seeds are for blue

[edgy wyvern]

Check tauceti gg

[past pecan]

holy shit, these are fucking useless

xddddd

[latent lotus]

1000 credit ‘kit template’ in the armory and it’s a 2x2 or 3x3 item would be cool

[white lion]

apparently arachne wants them

on a material below sources there is a usage list

[keen eagle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1rp7yv3/heres_the_complete_breakdown_of_every_material/

[analog loom]

if i equip mods to a gun that has low recoil and the recoil stat goes to above 100 doe sthat mean it will have no recoil negative recoil

my M77 has a -9.0 in recoil

wait. 2 green recoil reducers gets it to 93%

i see

[clear ginkgo]

How much melee dmg do you need to down a green shield in 1 hit?

[mild lion]

This isn’t really a build crafting thing, but general chat is going by too fast. So, does anyone know where your voice comes from when you prox broadcast while flying a thief drone? Do other players hear your voice from the drone or your character?

[trim whale]

The energy amp consumable doesn’t work how you would expect so I looked at the data and made a short video explaining them

https://youtu.be/Y4HkIY9-mGo?si=raC5Guuzi68R8cpN

[burnt nacelle]

how does aim assist work on pc? there is attachments that increase aim assist but is it useless

[signal spindle]

aim assist makes your bullets wider

so like, if you're aiming at someone and you were going to miss their head by an inch or two, increased aim assist means that the wider hitbox on the bullet will still give you a headshot

it basically turns your stream of bullets from a line into a very narrow cone pointed at the enemy

[burnt nacelle]

ahh I see thank you thank you

[dapper patio]

i could be wrong on this but i think it's only for uesc

there is definitely some bullet magnetism for players but i dont think the attachments change it at least

very anecdotal though, could be entirely wrong

[acoustic oak]

it might only apply to the aim assist volt weapons?

[dapper patio]

i dont think the tracking changes but again

could be wrong 🤷‍♂️

[acoustic oak]

it just seems odd to have in the first place

i dont want aim assist

let me have my bad aim raw

[azure vine]

My issue was I couldn’t figure out how to turn off aim assist, but I also find that kind of a bummer and mildly confusing myself even, why would a game that’s playable on pc with mouse, what is the point in aim assist plus stats… and why would I want it if I don’t even like aim assist?

I feel as though that stat should be altered, increasing aim assist just doesn’t make sense…

[lavish talon]

hey im a goober and have been struggle bussing to get information on the damage difference between fully charging and just shooting some of these volt weapons can someone help me before i kermit sudoku?

[white lion]

you might as well just shoot

charging has gotten me killed many a time

[twin estuary]

Character, not drone

[twin estuary]

Aim Assist increases the consistency of headshots, is the short answer

[twin estuary]

It's for all hostiles

[twin estuary]

I think Range is the only stat that effects volt weapon lockon

[trim whale]

Going by Destiny stats, aim assist is what made the shot more likely to connect, but accuracy was the stat that increased headshot consistency

[twin estuary]

That's a weird way to delineate the stats

[trim whale]

In other words, aim assist helps you put the crosshair over the target, but if you’re shooting out of your weapons ideal range (don’t get me started on range) then accuracy determines if the shot connects and if the stat is high enough, is a headshot

This is just if it’s the same as Destiny though. Some things might be different under the hood

[livid carbon]

to be more accurate, (in destiny 2) there is both an accuracy cone and aim assist cone
the accuracy cone is where initial trajectory is determined, you want it as small as possible.
the aim assist cone will pull or "magnetism" the shot onto the target, preferring precision hitbox over bodyshot hitbox. you want it as large as possible
accuracy cone shoots body, aim assist cone covers precision = precision hit for example

the aim assist cone has a range limit and its width is also affected by the range stat

but like meaty said theres probably under the hood differences in marathon

theres also some jank about fov relative to the cones etc

[livid carbon]

small elaboration i missed here is that there was a limit to how far the aim assist cone will pull the bullet afaik (not sure if still true? cone science is weird)
so if the shot goes into dead bottom of the accuracy cone then depending on weapon archetype and custom exotic tuning its possible for the aim assist cone to not pull it far enough to be a precision hit

[trim whale]

also destiny has ‘accuracy cone growth’ as different stat to the ‘accuracy cone’ stat itself.

accuracy cone growth is more important, so you if ever see this in marathon make sure to invest in it