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[hard zealot]

Assassins suck so much.

They're horrible people. Full stop. There is no such thing as a good assassin.

[dense pebble]

[night talon]

[haughty pasture]

so someone please explain to me why I used all of my dynamic compounds on nade barters, only to go to my inventory and see that NONE OF THEM got purchased but all of my compounds are gone

[signal bough]

stack size bug, something about buying to inventory with a stack size greater than what you can fit in your inventory

[languid prism]

part of me wants to buy a key from the armory but we all know I'm not going to be able to exfil twice in a row

unheard of success

[signal bough]

sbmm could never

[haughty pasture]

so am I just SOL?

[signal bough]

think so

[languid prism]

sbmm with me would just be a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off

[signal bough]

yeah I might finally meet someone else with the aim of a particularly soggy price of white bread

[dense pebble]

oh hey! i have the aim of a mildly electrified corpse!

[signal bough]

needs to be moderately to get on my level slugger

[languid prism]

just found a prestige key

[random gale]

wish that were me

[desert path]

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"Quick clarification — when you said ‘milking Marathon’, what exactly did you mean by ‘milking’?

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[languid prism]

I did in fact die

[hard zealot]

Though I'm gonna be honest, I think I'm reaching that part of the game where it's just not fun anymore.

[languid prism]

spawned at south relay, killed the elite, then got raided by 2 separate teams 🙃

time to rook. I'm outta guns

at least carter rewarded me with a useless railgun

[hard zealot]

I feel like this game needs a limit in some maps. Cause it is kinda getting ridiculous.

Or an easier way to get a rook shotgun. So much purple salvage.

[languid prism]

you know what would be cool, bartering for other resources

because I'm not likely to get hazard capsules

[jovial cliff]

just level the factions

u don't have to manually farm anything. you can easily unlock it with the faction rewards it gives you the mats. focus arachne

[opal mango]

they gotta fix this thief visor frame drop because I'm losing fights over it

[hard zealot]

It's really hard to do that.

Harder than it should be honestly. I'm not exactly assured to get certain purple salvage even if I asked nicely.

[jovial cliff]

it worked for me

[brisk mantle]

Rook shotgun is a particularly unpleasant amplifier on player skill, you gain Arachne rep via killing people, you gain drone mats via making noise (increasing PvP), shit spawns in bio which is contested, etc and it’s all to get something that allows you to win fights as a rook and keep the shit your scooping because you need gear.
(Or 1v3 lol)

[mild mountain]

lol I played thief once, popped my visor in a fight, game crashed. never played thief again.

[opal mango]

that ability may as well not exist in fights

[mild mountain]

well there was smoke.

[hard zealot]

Yeah, but getting the purple savlage for the milestone is downright impossible sometimes.

[mild mountain]

you say this and then one day you wake up and you have more enzyme replicators than you know what to do with

[brisk mantle]

Enzymes are much more plentiful yeah

Honestly I bottlenecked on drone shit because I hate shooting drones

[mild mountain]

I just went to bio research on marsh. heaps of it there

[random gale]

ran out of time for the 2nd lockdown 😫 the first one had nothing in it

[brisk mantle]

I hit bio in 80% of successful runs pre outpost era tbh

Then I ran outpost

[hard zealot]

Kind of the problem, yeah?

[brisk mantle]

I thought the game would be trivial eco wise once you have some barters you can do and I was kinda right, but now 6 of each blue med would increase my winrate by like 5% and I think I can afford it

Too many fucking mid-long slogs

Somebody always fucks stealth or I fuck the calls

And I can’t aim so… I just take damage for the boys

I never know if cryo will burn through all of my shit or if I won’t have the time

[distant ocean]

was in dire marsh doing a lockdown and chilling, then got jumped with my pants down by some assassin - lost a bunch of great gear. i think these are the kind of deaths that are meant to be. nothing i couldve even done, just wrong place wrong time. it was finally my turn to kick the bucket once again and pass on my gear to someone else

[peak knot]

Finally someone understands the point of the game

[split thunder]

to be honest sometimes I think it's a detriment in a fight because of how loud it is, it kind of makes it harder to hear stuff.

It's great for finding stealthed assassins though

[terse rapids]

👀

[warm salmon]

Amazing amazing game! Pvp is fun! PvE is fun! Lore is cool! Aesthetic is cool! Gunplay feels amazing! My only complaint is 3 month cycles is too short. It's harder than it looks to get vip on all factions. I barely got it for cyberacme. Even just a 4 month wipe would be a huge improvement. Or if they want to keep the time frame to lower upgrade costs for the factions. Just a lil. Not too much

[umbral marsh]

This is AWFUL lmao.
What button do controller players bind the visor to? Mine is default bound to the crouch button and it’s getting a little goofy

[deft tiger]

I'm loving the game but I'm not coming back after the wipe

[dusky pawn]

What’s your reason? Just curious

[glad mirage]

I'll have to make that decision when the wipe comes to see how they handle it, honestly, but I can tell you for sure I'm not doing Co-Evolution 4/5 ever again no matter what they do

I'm not repeating any priority quests just to level up and open shit if I've already done them before. I'm just not that kind of person.

[deft tiger]

Don't want to grind all the resources again for the upgrades and I like playing different games, a few hundred hours in Marathon will be more than enough for me

[spark stratus]

Hello! I know this has been asked a bunch probs. I got to level 10 in the beta but just got enough money to buy the game but the beta rewards arent in my inbox?

[rugged saffron]

Most (even if not all) faction perks can be accessed through standard quests.

Maybe they can change that to all if you've already done a priority contract.

Personally I'd be insanely hyped though if we get a new set of priority contracts and new dialogue/story within those contracts each season

[glad mirage]

That's what I'm hoping for. A narrative hook for the reset, new priority contracts, some changes to the game/loot/enemies, etc, you know, live service shit

But if they don't, I have had plenty of fun and won't be really sad about it. I just won't be dedicated to doing it again.

[rugged saffron]

I have 244 hours in the game and I've yet to get all upgrades and VIP each faction. I have completed all priority contracts.

How long it takes to progress is admittedly heavily tied to how fast you can figure the quests out (not too hard) and how often you get crushed by other players in the process (related to skill)

[glad mirage]

skill and luck and the chaos of fills.

[rugged saffron]

I've been carried by godlike players in a 3v1 after their buddy went down (averagely) and I went down (spectacularly stupidly)

[tender rain]

will arachne get more quest than the first one lol

[rugged saffron]

I mean Arachne are some boring MFs anyway.

"STAB PEOPLE! I WANT YOU TO STAB PEOPLE? OOOOO, WHAT IF YOU STABBED SOME MORE PEOPLE"

Quest: stab people

Gameplay-wise they serve a purpose but it makes sense that they have less depth.

[tender rain]

i like stabbing people though

[rugged saffron]

Yeah but that's all there is to Arachne, and I honestly don't think they need more depth

[tender rain]

ye ig but like something else would be cool

[rugged saffron]

They're not interesting and I'm okay with that

[tender rain]

hello runner instead of stabbing people i want u to kill runners with a grenade or something and i will give u 40 alien alloy

[zinc juniper]

#lfc-cryo-archive

[rugged saffron]

cryo got me "lose everything" and "instantly ganked by an enemy team in your own spawn because that enemy team decided not to bother farming their own security clearance, at all"

It did not get me alien alloy

[rugged saffron]

That's more interesting but adds more difficutly and I'm already suffering trying to farm Arachne VIP ranks just to get enough Reflex Coils to get Rook Shotgun

[tender rain]

idk how i got level 23 i think i just like killed everyone

[glad mirage]

when I was chasing 30 in the server slam, we were spawning into Dire Marsh, running straight at the first sign of gunfire and shooting as many people as possible over and over again because it was faster than contracts or other tasks

[rugged saffron]

I'm VIP rank 8. It's too damn hard to consistently find reflex coils (maybe they're plentiful somewhere in cryo? IDK I usually just die in Cryo) so I'm just farming the shit out of Arachne rank to get them from the level up rewards

[glad mirage]

was a team deathmatch at that point

[tender rain]

how the fuck do u reach vip

[rugged saffron]

Damn

[tender rain]

genuienly bro idk wtf im doing but im def not doing it if everyone i know is vip rank and im like level 56 doing quests and getting like 2 xp

[zenith oxide]

Trios

[rugged saffron]

244.6 hours.

Once you hit level 30 in any faction make sure to claim all the faction rewards for that faction as fast as you can so that you can get started on VIP. You're blocked from progressing further otherwise.

For any quest involving PVP I just run Outpost. Fill because I know sometimes some random fill will carry me as long as I don't throw.

Reroll really hard ones. "Find med cabinets" for CyAc sucks, save your rerolls for that one. For Arachne, I rerolled the one where you have to get 7 kills without dying. It progresses across runs but if you die once it resets to 0.

[tender rain]

ohhh

[zenith oxide]

Everyone’s contracts give you rep

[tender rain]

ive been running solo till level 50 so uh explains

[tender rain]

idk i dont really do cyac quests since anytime i get a quest i just go on perimiter and do intercept if i get it

[glad mirage]

Claim them BEFORE you hit 30. Claim them as you go.

[tender rain]

deadass

[rugged saffron]

Solo is a punch in the face to your progression for sure.

There's a tarkov vet in here who seems like he's probably good at the game but he does solo and he's low level too

[glad mirage]

It's a nightmare to try to clean them all out if you're just letting them stack

[tender rain]

i have 3k hours in tarkov

[split thunder]

laugh at my misery: playing thief, got a decent little kit on like 4.5k, go to outpost. I missed grabbing a ledge (didn't realize how far I'd even go honestly) and just yeeted myself out the map to death.

Runtime: 50 seconds.

What a rush.

[glad mirage]

Grappled my way off the map there the other day

[tender rain]

but solo isnt such a pain in the ass in this game cuz i dont have to deal with tier 6 chuds sitting in corners

[rugged saffron]

I like to let them sit so I can claim them as I need them "tryna run Cryo with the boys, I got free LMGs and shoguns stacked in my Arachne level up rewards."

Sucks that I can't do that RN because I'm claiming instantly to try to get reflex coils.

[tender rain]

and ive never ran cryo archive but it looks fun

[daring folio]

at least you didn't die to a commander with no heals in your bag during final exfil

[split thunder]

i just like playing solo, I'm only level 39 and it definitely feels like it makes the progression slower; I think they should bump the 20% bonus up to 40

[tender rain]

do u guys have any tips for me although im never going cryo

[glad mirage]

I had 9+ for every faction that gives them and some were as high as 15+

[tender rain]

maybe just more so it can be the same but a little less than running trio/duo

[glad mirage]

I just wasn't cashing them in

[tender rain]

ive only started running duo but even then i barely get leveled up

and im not doing random que with people that i know are gonna be looting my kills instead of fighting with me ✌️

[split thunder]

I know you're not going to believe this but the game before I was at extract and out of heals and got killed by UESC ghost, played ring around the rosie but couldn't get out.

I even had the exfil started.

So I uh ... I basically did that. It wasn't final exfil but only a few minutes left on the clock.

I have a great way of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory at times in this game.

[tender rain]

i swear uesc ghosts are more dangerous than any player could be

[daring folio]

You might be my twin LOL

[tender rain]

9/10 they eat my shields

[split thunder]

[glad mirage]

There's a part of outpost where if you miss the landing on a narrow walkway from underneath the other side is void and death

[devout aurora]

My third or fourth time in dire marsh, I put together some gear to try and take out the commander from a faction intro contract, spawned in and immediately vaulted over a wall and off the map

[daring folio]

if i don't ping the main one, 7/10 times they're in my ass within a couple minutes

[split thunder]

the ghosts mess with me because they sound like runners almost

[tender rain]

idk i usually beat the shit out of ghosts and they arent a problem

the only somewhat hard ghost is the warden but hes really easy he just eats my shield

[rugged saffron]

Let me tell you guys about my own saddest death.

I'm on Permiter, I find a Neural Insulation in Hauler. That's a big deal to me. Our fill quits and my friend dies. Friend tells me to just extract.

I go to Overflow, activate the (unguarded) exfil. I decide to hit a TAD for no reason. Near zero neuron activity when making that decision. UESC kill me while I'm in the TAD animation.

I crawl to the exfil. I say "I'm not gonna make it, am I?" turns out I can make it. I will not bleed out before the exfil fires. A UESC walks up to me and tries to stick his weird tubes on me to make me die faster.

I crawled in circles around the exfil post to keep it between me and him to try to keep him off of me. I'm successful at that for quite a long time, but at the last second before exfil he gets me and hastens my death just fast enough that I get eliminated and don't exfil.

[split thunder]

makes me feel better to know I'm not alone (I've also grappled my way out of bounds on dire marsh, now I just need to do it on perimeter and cryo to complete the quad score)

[daring folio]

skill issue on my end tbh it's usually because i've been filling lately and i'm stingy with equipment

[tender rain]

i usually have 3 shields or 4 shields since i lost gear fear long ago in my tarkov days

[rugged saffron]

Playing ring around the activated exfil while knocked against a UESC is quite the experience.

[devout aurora]

More than half of my exfils

[tender rain]

i always go into guarded exfils when i know noones around and i get downed or play ring around the rosie just enough to extract

[split thunder]

on the plus side I'm clearing up space in my vault

[tender rain]

yall dont know how fuckign annoying it is to die with a alien alloy to a tick cuz a dude sitting in a corner got u to 1 hp with no self rez

[daring folio]

you must be popular with all the rooks

[tender rain]

i was holidng in everything in every cell in my body not to scream and wake up everyone in my house

[rugged saffron]

I seeeee

[glad mirage]

some of the UESC will magdump on you if they can't suck you to death

[rugged saffron]

I don't know if I'd be able to process that

[tender rain]

pause bro

[rugged saffron]

That's insane. I've never seen it

[tender rain]

i think its the only time ive felt a vein pop in my head

[glad mirage]

I don't know why or what causes it exactly. Sometimes they just flip to War Crime mode

[tender rain]

not a single raid in tarkov had me this mad bro marathon is genuienly worse than tarkov in terms of losing loot

[split thunder]

I'm starting to wonder if rooks get put into solos, I usually play solo and I'm starting to think maybe I just don't see them when I'm playing solo but that can't be right ... right?

[tender rain]

no they dont

[rugged saffron]

Never played Tarkov, why so? Does Marathon give you better goodies to feel worse about losing?

[tender rain]

ive been playing solo since like level 51 i can tell with certainty that ive never seen a rook

[tender rain]

yea cuz in tarkov theres something called a secure container, in which u can store good stuff usually like 1 slot or 2 slot items that are worht alot

[split thunder]

yeah I mean I'm just high all the time my memory is always suspect especially when you mix the occasional duo/trio in there

[rugged saffron]

Ohhhhhh. I knew Arc had that, I didn't know Tarkov had it too

[glad mirage]

the people screaming for safe pockets were so obnoxious a while back I hope we never get them here 😄

[tender rain]

but at the end of the day u loot 1 key and u get infinite loot but almost every key has multiple uses unlike marathon which has 1 use and is usually insanely rare

[split thunder]

yeah no way to stuff anything up your booty in this. I think it'd be cool if they did it with DCON where maybe you could teleport something back like just one single thing or maybe 4 squares worth.

IDK how hard that'd be to implement.

[tender rain]

idk i never played arc

[tender rain]

i was thinking that too but that would be way too easy ngl

[glad mirage]

the DCON would make a lot of sense and fit into the game as it exists already

[tender rain]

i hated secure containers cuz it would make almost every kill worthless if they didnt have a good kit

[rugged saffron]

NGL knowing Arc is "the baby game for stupid babies" sometimes I consider trying it after getting my teeth kicked in by Marathon.

But when I need a break from Marathon I'll probably just play Minecraft or whatever instead of reaching for another extraction shooter.

[glad mirage]

I had Hunt from a bundle from somewhere but it feels slow coming from Marathon

[tender rain]

id play arc raiders but im not paying like 30 bucks for tarkov but 3rd person and futuristic

[split thunder]

just something to make it not exactly safe but safeish and make DCON more contentious to fight over potentially. But maybe the devs just don't want there to be any kind of secure container thing and that's cool too.

arc raiders is definitely not that

[rugged saffron]

It makes sense but honestly it'd devalue what it's like to get kills and probably also devalue the risk/reward of "do I leave with this good shit or keep going to try to find more good shit?"

[tender rain]

maybe something to pay for or something to activate on the map so theres a actual challenge and not just "durrr i stick this item up my butt and itll be safe forever"

[flat copper]

If they made DCONs take loot out of the game without an exfil, you'd see non-stop crying about people camping DCONs. Its obvious why they don't do it, if not for the message that they just don't want a safe pocket type deal in the first place.

[rugged saffron]

Arc Raiders seems like a cool game to me and I'd probably enjoy it but I'm really resistant to buying and even playing new games.

Marathon's entire artstyle and lore sunk its teeth into me in a "this is my new obsession" sort of way.

[tender rain]

anytime i think of camping i think of dire marsh bro you made me so angry just from this one message

[winter yacht]

have devs addressed firing range yet?

[tender rain]

tarkov lowered my expectation of every game ever so when i tried marathon on the server slam i got hooked

[tender rain]

probably just designing it to make sense with the runner shell things

[rugged saffron]

Oh that's true and hilarious. Camping dcon would mean high value kills pretty consistently.

And nobody would ever finish those dcon-involved contracts

[rugged saffron]

LMFAO

[flat copper]

me with my scoped out Lookout on top of every DCON:

[tender rain]

you could show me a game with a not so boring ass gameloop as tarkov and it would get me hooked

roblox games with any type of quality would get me hooked im not even joking and even roblox is dry as fuck

[rugged saffron]

Me with the hard drive from Hauler and 1 green salvage: "FUCK YOU I'M JUST DOING A CONTRAAAACT >:("

[tender rain]

ASSassins are already painful enough and i can just imagine a ASSassin sitting in a bush with a thermal sniper

[glad mirage]

people camp exfils so all DCONs getting loot out would do is make it so there were more spots to camp and more chances to get something out

[rugged saffron]

GET STABBED

[glad mirage]

Especially if you made them single use.

[flat copper]

People aren't really camping exfils at all, I don't know why people think this is such a common thing. However, DCONs are for one specific thing and if they let you take out one item, they'd be the ultimate grief magnet.

[tender rain]

assassin players anger me

[rugged saffron]

Damnnnn. There are so many good games, both singeplayer and not. You got a lifetime of eating good ahead of you.

[glad mirage]

People have and continue to camp exfils. It is wild that you say this.

[tender rain]

bro for the 3k hours ive played i genuienly just rotted away my attention span

[rugged saffron]

You mean you buffed it right? Because now anything is interesting.

[tender rain]

idk how people have the attention span to hold a angle for a year bro i dont understand how this is fun to anyone

[tender rain]

yeah but like fixating on 1 thing is just a hassle for me now

[flat copper]

It happens but its not a common thing. People are out on the map doing contracts, hunting players and all the rest of it. There's no plague of people camping exfils, because it just isn't that profitable. You're letting players get all the loot and then trying to fight them when they're juiced? Not sensible, not something players are doing on the regular.

[rugged saffron]

I've done it. It's not fun. Boring ass gameplay. But it got me some loot.

[tender rain]

ive done it a couple times but i feel happier w keying into someones face and sending them to the lobby that way

[glad mirage]

I didn't say plague. I said people do it. Don't put words in my mouth.

[rugged saffron]

Many players have all their prio contracts done. Now they just camp anywhere, doesn't really matter where.

[tender rain]

voicelines were added into the game for a reason

speaking of voicelines, can other people hear the voicelines i say in marathon when they are on the enemy team?

i want them to know that im gonna rip them open or wtv my character says

[flat copper]

Then stop acting like its in any way comparable to what DCON camping would be if they let you take gear out. People would absolutely gravitate towards that because the people who want safe pockets are likeliest to get upset if someone messes with them in-game. DCONs allowing safe item extraction would be an incredible griefer magnet.

[flat copper]

They only hear stuff like "friendly" or "leave"

[glad mirage]

I don't know what your deal is but you need to chill the fuck out.

[tender rain]

bruh that sucks

[flat copper]

Why are you the one being so butthurt over basic facts? They don't design things with high grief potential.

[tender rain]

is cryo the only GOOD way to consistently get gold items

[glad mirage]

I don't know if you're having some kind of mental health crisis but you can have it on someone else. Nobody's freaking out but you right now. I'm going to block you, @flat copper (prostatepuncher). edited so it doesn't seem like I'm calling the person named that a name, I guess?)

🤷

[terse rapids]

Matchmaking should take into consideration your loadout value

[deft tiger]

There's not enough people playing for that. Searching for matches time is long already

[terse rapids]

If you take a 5k loadout, you should match only with teammates within a certain % of that loadout. It's kinda frustrating for people who don't have regular teammates to ever take a kit in with you because you don't know if your teammates will have a free kit or not.

[zenith oxide]

Prox chat works, you can yell at them over the mic

[tender rain]

too shy

[terse rapids]

same

[tender rain]

i cant lie bro im too scared to speak at all idk why 😭

[tender rain]

traxus my evil tween

[deft tiger]

I'm always playing at night and don't want to wake anyone up

[zenith oxide]

Comes with practice.

There’s also zero stakes, noone will likely run into you again

[tender rain]

its been like this for years now idk why

only people i DARE to talk to are people i know for years or so

[split thunder]

because you have a psychological disorder?

[tender rain]

idk i never got it checked i just never wanna talk cuz it feels uncomfortable for me

im not gonna like self diagnose myself thats just dumb

[devout aurora]

You could talk to a.. uh, huh. Never mind

[split thunder]

I mean yeah a lot of people have undiagnosed whatever just because you can deal with it and don't feel like getting diagnosed.

I felt like I had shit for years, went to doc, got diagnosed with the same stuff I thought I had.

I wouldn't say you should "self diagnose" but it's not a diagnosis to be like - you might be a little fucked if you feel uncomfortable just conversing with other people. It's not like neurotypical but also who gives a shit

I mean I'm definitely on that spectrum for sure

[tender rain]

the only people i really talk to is my family, a select few friends and my therapist from time to time but yea

[winter yacht]

just found a bubble shield schema then got merc'd.. feelsbadman

[tender rain]

always been a person to perform better solo school and training wise too

[tender rain]

rip

[fast igloo]

i'd caution against it, there's nothing "abnormal" about finding social interaction difficult when you've been out of practice, the validation you'd expect from a psychiatric evaluation does more to distract from the atomized social malaise we've been in for decades

[tender rain]

i didnt go to the therapist cuz of how i act when i try to talk to others, id just rather not try that much to talk to others cuz its always REALLY awkward

[glad mirage]

Pings and texts do for 99% of this game. Don't talk if you don't want to

[random gale]

Just be flamboyantly zesty. Make them fear you

[fast igloo]

the struggle for me has been trying to get out of the shell made by abusive lfg chats over the years raiding and whatnot, to me it feels disparaging to self label as "disordered" when i'm just having a negative reaction to years of patterned behavior from other people.. it sucks to be awkward but it gets easier with real close friends, and it's hard to make new ones nowadays

[tender rain]

icba to do fills or have proximity chat on if im gonna stutter over every sentence so i just talk to my few friends that i know instead of that

[tender rain]

i mean yeah but ive never been a person to do lfg since i usually distance myself from talking or playing with people im not 100% sure i can trust

id definetly do fill and just do pings and stuff but considering someone can js take my loot from a guy i killed is kinda inconvienient

it would be cool if they did the same thing as arena breakout where theres a timer before other people can loot the kill from the person that actually got the kill

[glad mirage]

Yeah

They have timers for res. I could see it.

[queen falcon]

I'm the same way. I just keep my mic muted most of the time, but I like to hear people get mad when I kill them. 😂

Except when it's someone whose yelling about trying to do quests or being mad that they're "friendly" and I killed them....then I unmute and welcome them to Tau Ceti. 😎

[tender rain]

im too friendly and i feel bad when someone says that so i would probably drop a self rez but i kinda also dont want that so i just have it off

dont have to feel bad when i cant hear them making me feel bad

[knotty vapor]

first time on the game what should i expect

[tender rain]

people sitting in corners

[split thunder]

DEATH

[glad mirage]

Sadistic Worm Moms

[knotty vapor]

i do that shi in tarkov anyway

[tender rain]

also start hoarding items like anything with "unstable" in it since ur gonna need it for upgrades and barters

[tender rain]

fuck tarkov every lobby im in theres t6 with tagilla masks sitting in corners

[queen falcon]

Ah see....that takes time and experience of being stabbed in the back to change that mindset. I used to be the exact same way....but after helping someone, they get back up, then immediately shoot you in the back....you start to learn to never feel bad.

[knotty vapor]

u mean some dude with a new account flying around

[tender rain]

not even joking when i say this a guy with a rys t and a thor was sitting in a corner with a mjölnir bro

[knotty vapor]

is the cheater problem bad on this game

[tender rain]

if its not a shitter in a corner its that yea

[tender rain]

80 hours and i havent seen a cheater yet but ive mostly been playing solos

[knotty vapor]

cause aztecross was like talking abt it earlier like its every game

[tender rain]

i choose who i revive and help carefully sooo

[tender rain]

idk every game is gonna have some sort of problem with cheating it only matters how its handled

[queen falcon]

You play Tarkov....so...expect the same kind of thing. I haven't heard much about cheaters outside of Ranked...but it's pretty comparable....less to learn and less to keep in mind. Thermals are A LOT easier to come by, Signal Jammers shut them completely down...Recon is a joke right now...if you want to play a Recon style character play Thief, does close to the same thing but better....WSTR shotguns are broken and WAY too available...and people bitching that the game shouldn't wipe.

[split thunder]

i've heard occasional rumors of some cheating in ranked. I've not seen any cheating but I've not played any ranked adn not played cryo

[terse rapids]

marathon ranked mode is very hard

[knotty vapor]

idk tarkov choosin to no longer wipe ruined it for me even tho i hate having to do everything again but it def keeps the game alive

[tender rain]

they are gonna add seasonal characters and some cool shit with it

i already prestiged and got lightkeepere ending theres no point for me to play anymore lol

[knotty vapor]

i got banned from the offical tarkov discord for streaming arena breakout in the general vc so i stopped really playing after that

[tender rain]

LOL

[knotty vapor]

the mods over there will literally cry over anythin

[queen falcon]

Oh yeah, I love wipe....and we have seasonal wipes here...but expect people to bitch and complain about it. Saying the game shouldn't wipe at all....even though their only experience with an extraction shooter is Arc Raiders....and they talk like they are extraction shooter veterans.

Sorry....I'm not bitter or annoyed by it at all...I swear...

[tender rain]

the mods are weird as hell lol

[knotty vapor]

idk i only play arc raiders to kill people and troll them but thats just me

i dont like questing on that game

[tender rain]

arc raiders looks really boring to me bra

[brave sinew]

So I have almost 200 hours on this game. So thats like 6 hours a day of play since it came out. And yet I still only survive about 10% of the time. I suppose I can take solace in the achievement at possibly being the worst player.

[knotty vapor]

Cause it is

[tender rain]

lol

[knotty vapor]

I only play it for the game chat interactions

[tender rain]

idk the gunplay looks so mid

it just looks like gta gunplay but just a little better

[knotty vapor]

Idk how the game is popular it’s not even that good the robots are annoying the whole 3rd person thing doesn’t feel right either and the whole lore is a bit mid and generic

[tender rain]

isnt the lore just "FINALS BUT OLD PEOPLE"

[young pebble]

because you can have a gmod interaction with the objects, like glitching yourself or making a barrage of emps and stuff

that's just me presuming

[obtuse tapir]

does 145 melee damage do more than 100 or is it maxed out at 100

[hollow vector]

https://bulletpointsmonthly.com/2026/04/09/serfing-the-superstructure-marathon really smart game writing. This site is doing a month (possibly two?) of weekly articles on the game.

[sand radish]

Maxed at 145 but passives can boost it further iirc

[obtuse tapir]

like the destroyer "increased melee damage after using thruster" core

[split thunder]

The assassin I just serenaded with "why can't we be friends" (sung poorly and offkey) that let me live and exfil together is a real bro. I had like no health but game was almost over so idk if they would have even had time to loot me

[haughty pasture]

LFG to run multiple keys on cryo

[plucky hound]

@torpid lotus bum rat gg tho enjoy the goop

[sharp aurora]

u got 2 or you need 2

[sharp aurora]

interesting. most prox chat experiences i have are just people shit talking because idk why

[split thunder]

People are lame is why

[brave sinew]

I feel a lot of pressure relieved. I can't be the best at something, but at least i can be the worst at something.

[mild kernel]

Genuine question, why do people queue into cryo with no mic? are they terrified of speaking to another person of the same species?

[brave sinew]

yes

[mild kernel]

how can I make it so i dont queue with them

[brave sinew]

I play video games because Im afraid to leave the house and/or communicate with humans verbally.

[errant widget]

even scarier when they yell at you in game

[mild kernel]

i expect people yelling at you for not talking

[errant widget]

Yes and when I talk I'm told to shut the hell up

[mild kernel]

cap

[hollow vector]

Nah I'm right there with you %wise

[timber surge]

yep typical human behavior

[junior tusk]

cryo opened and now solo lobbies are nothing but rat assassins who crouch in a corner until they have invis

[sharp aurora]

you cant queue based on mic, gear value, anything

[glad mirage]

I want to queue into a social space and do a vibes check. See who can go four seconds without saying bro or a slur before we load into the run.

I don't care about gear or a mic or skill.

[hard zealot]

I'm starting to think there should be some form of leaver penalty.

Like if you leave manually before a certain time, you just don't get to play.

I've had people straight up leave during the beginning of matches because they didn't like the fact there were free kits. While being a free kit themselves.

Loser behavior.

[quaint aspen]

this game is so good

just played my weekly cryo with the boys, cant wait for next week

[mild kernel]

cryo takes too much money to play

like

why bother? tbh i see no reason to play cryo loot wise

[sand radish]

Just bring in blue shields and blue backpacks. That’s like 4k. There’s plenty of nades, consumables and self-revives inside.

[mild kernel]

also i dont like how they nerfed knife

it didnt need nerfing, now it cant even down someone with no shields

yet the change log simply says: Knife

Reduced the maximum lunge distance by ~10% and trimmed down the targeting angle by ~20%.

that is not true, the damage is dramatically reduced?

[sand radish]

Read further

[candid bay]

They probably should have put that info together tbh.

[mild kernel]

they didnt need to change 5 things about knifing

they should have changed lunge distance, see how that played out

if someone is right next to you its a skill issue

[candid bay]

the damage nerf vs runners is probably justified. though I am not sure how some of these stats behave. It's very easy to get some obnoxious melee damage.

[quaint aspen]

just had an 80k exfil, seems like a good reason to me

also the experience of playing it is fun

[candid bay]

the base melee value after all the upgrades without implants is like 95.

[mild kernel]

80k exfil i can do 30k+ exfils from outpost

and the chance of success on outpost is significantly higher

[candid bay]

might be very wrong, it's still bonkers high.

[unborn leaf]

The knife still slaps for sure

[quaint aspen]

if you live your life in fear and only do things based off %s, then maybe.

[candid bay]

very two shot peopel in purple with ease stuff. But now you gotta actually take knife fight to get it with ease. 😛

[mild kernel]

ill just say

playerbase isnt declining because of knife damage

[quaint aspen]

i think the nerf is probably good, being able to 2 shot was crazy, and being able to kill downed runners with a single right click was also crazy

[candid bay]

it's the natural curve of engagement on the duration of play. Mid season around the corner and then we also gotta see what happens on the start of the next season in june for how the player base numbers react.

[mild kernel]

they could have increase duration between swings

they did not need to change the damage

[quaint aspen]

i disagree 🙂

[candid bay]

I was mostly scared that they were going to nerf it vs AI, and they didn't so I am fine with this change. 😛

I get to keep right clicking turrets and tick hives once.

[mild kernel]

if you cant 1 shot someone with no sheilds

i think its bad

[candid bay]

wish it was easier to check, that's the only big problem I still have.

want that shooting range/testing room

Like the patchnotes made it soundlike you can still just hard invest in melee and get that.

[latent tide]

i think the base dmg change is stupid but the arachne changes are good

[candid bay]

Like it'd be lovely if I could mouse over melee damage in the inventory and it'd actually give me numbers for the punch, light knife and heavy knife for my current number.

[quaint aspen]

shoot gun more first 🙂

[mild kernel]

knife comeso ut when they are hiding in a corner

ITT: people who get knifed

the overall core issue here is they are making it harder for solo players

they made outpost worse for rooks, they made knifing worse (also hurts rooks)

makes me not want to play

because now its harder to get money to run in crew fill games

[quaint aspen]

how did they make outpost worse for rooks

[mild kernel]

pinwheel is closed most of the time now

or already entirely looted, wasnt the case before

[quaint aspen]

is there a change you can point to that made it that way

[mild kernel]

i used to be able to spawn in as rook just as the door was getting opened

this changed on the latest update to outpost that moved the boxes

[brave sinew]

Oh, I finally saw the little icon that shows you what weapon killed you. I never noticed that. Not that I'd recognize what the weapon is based on icon. Too small.

[mild kernel]

oh and they made the final exfil different, which also hurts rook play

[quaint aspen]

lol

[mild kernel]

overall they made rook harder to play, which makes solo play harder to get money

which reduces money, therefore less desire to play because you dont have money to buy stuff in armory as much

[raven adder]

what

[pastel tide]

Guys, i finally got an xbox series x, do you recommend this game?

I love this type of games, i played 2,000+ on tarkov, but want to make sure if you guys think is worth it

[mild kernel]

its all connected

[quaint aspen]

no ones forcing you to play big dog

[runic thunder]

How is rook harder to play now?

[raven adder]

dudes mad the free op loot not so free anymore?

[quaint aspen]

game is good

[mild kernel]

classic response "nobody is forcing you to play"

like bruh come on, the problem is I want to play, but they made it harder to play

[candid bay]

The final exfil on outpost being randomize is better for making the map more dangerous. It ups the stakes.

[quaint aspen]

ive been having a great time, changes are pretty good. Final exfil change makes sense, ive never had a hard time running to get it if i poisiton myself centrally

[tall summit]

Rook is fine if I don’t see pinwheel open I do all the key vaults

[brave sinew]

If you have 2000 hours on tarkov then you are a fan of suffering enough to enjoy this game.

[quaint aspen]

idk dude you've said nothing but negative things, doesnt sound like you enjoy playing

[runic thunder]

How is it harder to play?

If it’s just because you’re not spawning when teams are opening pinwheel?

[mild kernel]

I just described like 4 things that make solo play harder

[pastel tide]

I have seen videos and looks awesome but the community feels like is super toxic or is it just the people that just love to hate?

[quaint aspen]

just people who love to hate who dont play the game/vocal minority

[mild kernel]

I give actual criticism that made the game harder for mostly solo players and the response was "nobody is forcing you to play" smh

[runic thunder]

I’ve seen you cry about corners, knifes, and not spawning when people have opened pin

[quaint aspen]

"pinwheel should be open for me, and still have loot i can have"

[pastel tide]

Yeah, love tarkov 😂

[runic thunder]

I think this is a you problem

[brave sinew]

Its a mix. People have been super helpful to me, giving me tips and stuff. But sometimes people just call me stupid and say "get good"

[mild kernel]

clearly you dont understand the nuance in what I am saying are the issues.

[tall summit]

Unfortunately that’s just a gaming community issue

[sand radish]

Avoid the online community for sure. In-game is not that bad, about the same as any other game.

[runic thunder]

Look as a casual myself

Exp gain is shit,
And cryo’s hard for fill

That’s it for the problems honestly

I hate melee and corner crying

[quaint aspen]

"Rooks should get easy loot, and easy kills (via the knife) these changes were made specifically to hurt me (and solo players like me)"

[runic thunder]

What do you want bungie to do, remove melee and corners 😂

[pastel tide]

I am used to that, i was talking about all the "dead game" vids so i was confused

[pastel tide]

Marathon rounded edition😂

[tall summit]

That’s just the haters who hope this game dies

[mild kernel]

The core issue that people seem to be completely missing is that these recent changes are systematically destroying the game for solo players. Everything is connected. When you make Rook harder to play, you make it harder for solos to farm money. When we don’t have money, we can’t buy gear from the armory to run in crew-fill games. Ultimately, it kills the desire to play entirely.

Here is exactly how the recent updates have broken the risk-versus-reward balance:

1. Outpost and the Death of the Rook Hustle
   Outpost used to be a reliable way for Rooks to build their bankroll. Now, it’s been specifically tweaked to make that harder.

   The Pinwheel Problem: I used to be able to spawn in as a Rook just as the doors were opening. Because of the recent update that moved the spawn times it seems, by the time I get there, Pinwheel is either closed most of the time or already entirely looted. The "free" opportunistic loot is gone.

   Final Exfil RNG: Making the final exfil randomized just adds unnecessary danger. It specifically hurts Rook play by making it disproportionately harder to get out with the little money you actually managed to scavenge.

[quaint aspen]

chatgpt lol

[mild kernel]

im just saying outpost changes ruined rook/solo grinding

dont agree with me thats fine, doesnt change the fact of it for me

[pastel tide]

So its not going to get shut down soon right?

Just making sure i dont waste 40$ on a game that in 1 month will be gone

[tall summit]

No this game is still going strong, biggest problem rn that I’ve seen is cheaters on pc

[runic thunder]

You not spawning in an open pinwheel isn’t a problem lol,

Rooks haven’t gotten a loot nerf or anything

And you should probably stop final exfilling

[mild kernel]

why? 99% of my rook games I would final exfil

i have ran rook maybe hundreds of times on outpost, the change was bad

[pastel tide]

Thx💯

[runic thunder]

If you’re final exfilling, you’re 50/50’ing your exfil

[mild kernel]

why? who says?

[tall summit]

I’ve play 6 days on run 2 days with the new patch the changes are fine stop crying

[mild kernel]

final exfil you could camp it and jump in last second from like 10 different angles previously

[tall summit]

If you struggle with final exfil maybe exfil earlier

Or maybe just adapt and find new places to hide a final exfil like everyone is

[mild kernel]

When you tell me to "just exfil earlier" or claim that final exfil is a "50/50," you are completely missing the reality of playing a solo Rook. The recent changes to Outpost objectively destroyed a core grinding loop that I have successfully used for hundreds of runs.

[tall summit]

Games like this make you adapt on the fly

[runic thunder]

If you’re gonna be greedy on outpost, and only loot pinwheel

And then last exfil 99% of the time

You’re greeding majorly

[mild kernel]

it doesnt really matter what your saying here, the fact is, it ruined what I was doing previously to make a ton of money to then throw into crew fills

[tall summit]

I’ve played my whole time on this game mainly on rook

[sand radish]

I mean Rook was (and still is) too lucrative and easy to farm with for what he’s supposed to be imo.

[quaint aspen]

i think you're describing exactly why the changes were made lol

[mild kernel]

you can say what I was doing was "greedy" or whatever, it doesnt change the fact it was massively profitable with 20k+ earns per run with little risk

[tall summit]

And I get average 30k a run on rook

[sand radish]

If you’re using Rook as your main way of making money to the point of playing Outpost hundreds of times… I think that’s not good for the game.

[quaint aspen]

"little risk" the whole point of the game is risk man

[tall summit]

I’ve made 1.5m on rook

[mild kernel]

well now it makes me not want to play much because I dont have easy money to play regular crew fill

[runic thunder]

This is what a lotta casuals or “newbie” players do

They just battle royal outpost because “pinwheel has great loot”

[tall summit]

There no such thing as easy money on an extraction shooter

[mild kernel]

well there was

[sand radish]

So you’re upset because you don’t have easy money… in a game where it isn’t supposed to be easy to get money.

[quaint aspen]

if you want to keep playing, adapt

if you dont want to adapt, dont keep playing

[tall summit]

^

[quaint aspen]

stuff that's overperforming, or not playing as intended gets changed. This is one of those cases.

[runic thunder]

No, you were last exfilling

And now last exfil is the meta, and youre unable to either get a MC card or extract from a guarded one

[quaint aspen]

you got it while you could, now you cant. find a new way to get it.

[mild kernel]

The response of "extraction shooters shouldn't have easy money" completely misses the bigger picture of player retention. Yes, the previous Rook/Outpost loop was highly profitable with very little risk, but that low-risk loop served a vital purpose: it funded the actual game.

[quaint aspen]

chat gpt lol

[runic thunder]

Just leave earlier yo,

The 2 min mark is a nice sweet spot

[tall summit]

Bro even with the changes I get an average of 20k-30k a run on rook

[runic thunder]

I’m so confused by your “low risk loop”

Did you just spawn rook on outpost and gas it to pin wheel 😂

[mild kernel]

yes? ive made millions doing this

[tall summit]

Every run if I don’t get to do pinwheel I know where most of the yellow keys are so I run key vaults

[brave sinew]

Okay, I've figured out the game. You can just do free kits to do basic contracts because most of them it doesn't matter if you die. Then you can use the gear you get from contract rewards to do the story missions, which are much harder. Only took me 200 hours, but I understand now.

[tall summit]

lol

[edgy wave]

solo void
find conveyor request
camp button room

[mild kernel]

your completely ignoring the nuance of how often and how efficiently those runs are actually happening now compared to before. Yes, hitting that number is technically still possible, but the reliability of that income stream has plummeted.

[quaint aspen]

what nuance bro

[tall summit]

I was hitting that amount before and now

[mild kernel]

really? i was able to make 20k+ every 10 mins

[quaint aspen]

you keep repeating yourself and saying we dont understand the nuance, but you just say the same 4 things

[edgy wave]

stab people in the face when they come activate the button
profit

[tall summit]

Nothing changed for me in terms or my profits per run

I’ve made 1.5m on rook nothing have changed from the last patch to this patch

[runic thunder]

go post this on reddit or something man

[tall summit]

Nope nothing changed because I know how to 1v3 without a knife and if pinwheel is not open I do all the key vaults on the map because most of the time there ignored

I learned how to adapt around the final exfil changes

No

That’s how I’ve always done my runs

[mild kernel]

Bro, read your own messages. 'I learned how to adapt' literally means there was a new obstacle you had to overcome. You don't have to 'adapt' if things stay exactly the same. You are confusing your personal sweat-level with the game's baseline difficulty. The fact that you now have to sweat 1v3s, run a marathon to hit scraps in key vaults, and dodge randomized exfils just to make the exact same money you used to make in 10 minutes proves my point. The baseline difficulty went up. You didn't prove it didn't get harder, you just proved you are working twice as hard to out-sweat the nerfs.

[quaint aspen]

"ah so you admit i am correct!" 😭 😭 😭

[quaint aspen]

chat gpt

what chat gpt has said*

not arguing with a clanker over personal experience

[tall summit]

I’m done talking to this chat gpt

All you want is to be right it’s your way or the highway

[quaint aspen]

we got 4 more AI sub routines tonight

going to try and get the 6th and go for a compiler kill tmr night, hopinh we pull it off

[tall summit]

Congratulations I’ve still not done one

[quaint aspen]

cryo is feeling really good, improving each week is a fun loop. even though we almost lost it all last weekend

recruited like 5 more friends into the game too, they're all really liking it

[tall summit]

Nice

[quaint aspen]

no squad? or no luck?

[tall summit]

My squad have basically given up on the game

So basically by myself but that’s all good because most of my time has been on rook

[quaint aspen]

ah damn dude

[tall summit]

No one is talking to you anymore

[quaint aspen]

if you can get some fellas, i reccomend, cryo is really sick

[tall summit]

I’ve heard

[quaint aspen]

might be some of the coolest content in any FPS ive played

[tall summit]

Agreed

[quaint aspen]

this fuckin guy man hahahahaha

[tall summit]

They quit to play a new game that just come out they are coming back now stfu and leave me the alone god dam

[quaint aspen]

chat gpt, give me a long paragraph about how different people have different experiences, influencing different tastes, use the word "nuance" at least 3 times and make it look professional

copy and paste to marathon official discord server, send message

[runic thunder]

"hi there, youre not crazy! first up..."

[quaint aspen]

"Right, your experiences are totally valid, and Bungie really shouldn't have nerfed the knife. Here's a paragraph that's not just going to change their minds -- its going to change the game."

[quaint aspen]

delete this one too

[glad mirage]

so, with the level of agitation in chat tonight, can I assume Cryo's not going well?

is the house winning at the Lose All Your Shit Casino?

[quaint aspen]

i won it all at the lose everything factory tonight

i think i had 4/6 runs successful

we're going for the compiler tomorrow

[unborn leaf]

I had time to do one last night and it was a cinematic victory for us

[runic thunder]

ive spent most of my marathon time this week tryna find feckin bio seeds

[unborn leaf]

Very much looking forward to doing compiler, we've done subroutines 1-3 and have no keys so it'll be a while though

[quaint aspen]

we farmed a lot of keys this week

[unborn leaf]

But that's part of what i really like about cryo, takes time and effort and planning and learning

[uncut dirge]

Knife is the same for pve, just can’t cheese fully gooped kits with 2 heavy knife kill, with only shotgun counter and can’t miss

[quaint aspen]

i’m right there agreeing with you, we just had someone using chatgpt to argue the “nuance” of his complaints on recent updates lol

[uncut dirge]

Or a blue/purple implant with crowed control and kill 10 Uesc to stack 280 melee damage permanently and 1 shot gold shields

[glad mirage]

so, is the game ruined if you can't solo the pinwheel every ten minutes for infinite goop?

Or is it pretty much the same game for a lot of people?

I haven't kept up with the conversation.

[quaint aspen]

for that guy, completely ruined

[glad mirage]

I'm sorry that had happened to him.

[quaint aspen]

for me, arguably better and more interesting game

[glad mirage]

Some folks are getting hit with missiles and some folks are having marginally harder times cheesing video games. The world's a tough place.

[quaint aspen]

he was also simultaneously making millions on rook, and too poor to run squad fills

[rugged saffron]

Bruh I switched to Vandal tonight and I've gone from feeling like I suck at this game to feeling like I'm carrying

[glad mirage]

jumpJUMPsprintSLIIIIIIIIDE

Even if you're losing you're feeling like you're winning with Vandal.

Not like Assassin. Hiding in vape smoke talking about how he didn't ask for this.

[gentle crane]

Played some squad-fill games tonight. Had a good run to end the evening.

Ambushed some dorks in North Relay in Perimeter and made out like a bandit.

They were loaded down with blue gear, meds/shields, and absurd amounts of ammo. Took a blue Longshot off one.

My only guess is that they were kitted the fuck up with the intention of farming Free Kits trying to exfil with that much ordinance in Perimeter. Probably just accidentally did an act of community service by murdering them.

[glad mirage]

Even when you're winning with Assassin you still feel like a loser.

[runic thunder]

while everyone cries about assassins in the corners

Vandals are looking at the view from the random roof they've double jumped too

[glad mirage]

if it gets really hairy with Thief, I'll grapple off the map and die. You can't catch me.

Sometimes I do it on purpose even.

[gentle crane]

I just like Destroyer. He feels cool.

[glad mirage]

what if Master Chief was an Armored Core

[gentle crane]

Recon is close second.

I guess I like big stupid helmets

[gentle crane]

“what if the Destiny Titan was in a good game???”

[glad mirage]

For real though, we spawned in with three Assassins, a bunch of keys and a dream once... it felt like a gang of ninjas pulling a heist. We didn't even fire a shot. It was beautiful. All the shells are cool.

[gentle crane]

I like Assassin if played aggressively but most random Assassins i get stuck with are cowards who are of no help.

[mild mountain]

just found the bully mag in pinwheel on a rook run.

this makes the second time I’ve seen that mod as a rook. except this time I actually get to keep it.

[young pebble]

Too late, i stole it from your vault

[quaint aspen]

huge

[gentle crane]

Their playstyle is to try to rat around, never try any invisible flank-and-spank tactics, then fucking die in the corner they’re in like that dude from Blair Witch Project

[mild mountain]

that movie traumatized me as a child

[gentle crane]

Gimme a random Vandal any day over an Assassin random

[young pebble]

I like to be flanker as an assassin, but if nothing comes it's better to be a striker

[tender rain]

just give me no teammates instead

[glad mirage]

They're hellacious flankers if they're good and maybe they can still be alive to get you up after you've been looted for ten minutes so you can get that 'in a single run...and exfil' contract done holding just a knife.

[young pebble]

Lovely, is that gonna be all?

[tender rain]

ye

[gentle crane]

Vandal random will die a lot but it’s usually because they’re trying some crazy shit and get shot off of whatever random roof they were climbing up to rain down supporting fire.

[young pebble]

The total will be 6k creds

[tender rain]

no thanks

[young pebble]

you can't just do that

[glad mirage]

running up with the arm cannons and taking WSTR in the face

[tender rain]

i just did

[mild kernel]

Im literally just trying to explain my current issues. playing the solo economy efficiently to fund crew fills isn't "cheesing," it's just meta. IMO one big problem is they never take the CS:GO route, some things just do not need to change. instead of leaving a stable, viable solo loop, they blow up the sandbox just to force a new meta. Instead of having an actual discussion about game design, you guys (maybe not you but people in the discord) just resort to insults. it's not that deep, just explaining why the forced update killed a solo grind loop I had. I literally just checked recent posts on the reddit, people say the same thing (about knife, and about outpost solo grinding......)

[gentle crane]

“i’m gonna push them” - Free Kit Vandal about to die horrifically in a 1v3 against blue kits

Not talking shit; I appreciate the enthusiasm

[quaint aspen]

oh no he’s back

[gentle crane]

It’s just that even with my thruster sprint they’re still somehow in a different ziocode

[unborn leaf]

Afaik outpost is supposed to be a dangerous high-risk zone, not a reliable free money printer

[glad mirage]

I was mad when they turned off the loot cave too. I get it.

I just figured everyone had a bad night in Cryo and were crashing out on each other. From an outside perspective, that is.

[mild kernel]

I get outpost is suppose to be high-risk, but what is the actual eco builder/grinder then? perimeter? the loot there is not great or reasonable to farm for money

[glad mirage]

"Sometimes you have to roll the hard six..."
gets kicked out of the casino two seconds later

[gentle crane]

No i am entitled to be showered with riches in the very competitive PvP murder-and-robbery war crimes simulator.

My trinkets and baubles. My glittering gold.

Not letting me do it is like a hundred 9/11s levels of tragedy.

[mild kernel]

Im also not even asking for good loot, im asking for MONEY, to buy non-modded WSTRs and Bullys and ammo, shields/patch kits

[gentle crane]

Bro Arachne just gives you free WSTRs in the Priority Access

[mild kernel]

...... 1?

[gentle crane]

Yeah. Stop dying

[tall summit]

Brad I’m back

[quaint aspen]

hey man

[unborn leaf]

Contracts give money, selling loot gives money, i mean personally i think that in games like these you just have to do some humble loot runs for the cash sonetimes

Like the point for me is snowballing from rags to riches

[gentle crane]

You’re mad that the money printer is gone so you can’t run a WSTR with every single loadout.

The problem with relying on crutches too much is that it hurts when they’re kicked out from under you.

[quaint aspen]

buying kits isn’t really designed to be feasible. looting them is though

[mild kernel]

snowballing is fun, but it's not a viable economy. yeah, sometimes i go into dire marsh with a free kit and leave with purples, but expecting that to happen consistently is totally unrealistic and a massive time sink. its not something I want to be doing as my main thing. the main thing I want to be doing is immediately jumping back into cryo with a decent loadout

[quaint aspen]

i always try and extract with usable things (guns i like, meds ammo etc)

[tall summit]

In that one hour I’ve been muted I’ve gained 100k on rook

[quaint aspen]

i thought you didn’t like cryo

[mild kernel]

I think i was complaining about it from a money perspective

for pvp i like it, i mostly play the game for pvp

i think the disconnect here is I want to a quick method to immediately jump in fighting other players on a map that has a lot of pvp, and minimize the amount of time im spent doing chores to play

and when that method gets blown up its very frustrating because it directly hinders what I really want to be doing

[gentle crane]

Cryo is supposed to be the big endgame raid-like area that you go into for high-risk/high-reward runs that you coordinate with your crew as a big group effort.

You’re not supposed to have every run be there

[mild kernel]

and I think that's a massive issue! the game is trying to cater towards pvp players, but gates the main pvp activity behind having to do chores just to have a single attempt at playing it. that completely burns me out. if that's the intended design, it makes sense why I hate the changes.

[quaint aspen]

playing the game normally, not on cryo, doesn’t feel like a chore to me

and the buy in is good, makes killing players worth it. makes the playing field even. makes the fights interesting.

[mild kernel]

i'm with you on buy ins, they definitely make the stakes better. but my whole point about the economy nerfs is about time allocation. the reason i want a hyper efficient solo farm isn't to get free loot, it's so i can spend LESS time doing money runs and MORE time playing maps i actually enjoy, like dire marsh. after nerfs, the solo grind is slower and eats up the week just to fund the weekend cryo runs. the fast outpost loop let me minimize the chores and maximize the fun.

honestly, when you look at the patches, it’s not just one nerf. it’s how every single change compounds to intentionally starve out solo play:
melee stat bonus cut in half and knife lunge reduced.
they intentionally changed pinwheel armory to cost 3 red cards instead of 2 red/1 orange. with only 4 guaranteed master cards on the map, squads eat up the cards before a solo rook even spawns making a restricted exfil harder
(before you mention guarded exfils) fighting uesc bots solo on a small map just rings a dinner bell for every rook and team left
the static final exfil was the only reliable stealth out. now it's a 1-minute sprint to an rng spot across the map, right through transit lanes that squads are gatekeeping.
it’s death by a thousand cuts. they took away the combat tools, starved the keycard economy, and randomized the exits. they’re actively designing the solo loop out of the game.

[winter summit]

Rook is meant to be low risk and high reward.

You are spending nothing to make a lot of money in return. It isn't meant to be easier, you have to work for it.

[broken echo]

wouldn't that be low risk?

[mild kernel]

i am spending something though: my time. 15 minutes a run. i don't mind "working for it", but rng isn't work. when final exfil was static, surviving WAS work it took routing, map knowledge, and stealth (and killing other players throughout the match). now, you can play perfectly for 14 minutes and lose it all because the final exfil randomly spawned across the map with multiple other players along the way. you can't "work" for a restricted exfil if squads already ate 3 of the 4 master cards before you even spawned. making something mathematically impossible or purely rng doesn't make it "harder", it just makes it a waste of time.

I dont think you can honestly say there was not a massive amount of randomness added in on whether or not you survive a run because of the final exfil changes

[candid bay]

I am looking forward to getting my rook shotgun, so being a goblin in outpost is more effective. 🙂

Pistols do more work than people expect but they are definitely bottom of the food chain

though I recently outtraded a M77 in their effective range with a punch, and oof I'd have been very frustrated if I was that m77 user.

I am however a goober that wishes I could just hold down the fire button for the CE combat pistol, at least there is a real ceiling to the fire rate. I remember early Team fortress 2 where classes with pistols were instantly shooting off their magazines.

[mild mountain]

punch is great. if I ever spawn on rook with the tactical sidearm I throw it away for literally any other gun. punch, however, I will keep the entire run

[candid bay]

I'd still use the CE pistol over the hardline or the volt submachine gun though. those guns feel like garbage in my hands.

[mild mountain]

okay almost every gun

[candid bay]

lol

I am actually really looking forward to what they are going to do to the weapons on mid season. I do partially expect a bully nerf in some capacity, or at least the other sub machineguns will get buffs.

The modded bully creeps into assault rifle range brackets and is a bit much.

[mild mountain]

would much rather see other guns get brought up instead of the good ones being brought down. TTK feels like it’s in a reasonable spot, and don’t love the idea of it getting any longer.

[mild kernel]

even if they buffed the loot on outpost, the math still doesn't work out. if my survival rate drops by 50% and honestly, when you combine the shotgun range nerfs, the melee stat getting cut in half, the knife lunge reduction, the master keycards being gone before i spawn, AND the rng final exfil sprint, im willing to bet the average survival drop is way worse than 50% (though I think for myself its maybe 50-50 right now), the baseline loot payout has to increase by well over 100% just to break even on time. bungie didn't double the loot.

and before anyone brings up the extra pinnacle box in the 3-card armory: that only buffs the 3 stacks. rooks spawn mid match. the squads that spawn at minute zero already hoovered up the master cards and looted that room before we even hit the ground. so my survival rate plummeted because my combat tools and exits got taken away, and the loot buff is locked inside an empty room i can't even open. the overall economy per hour for solos is just completely gutted.

[candid bay]

what I sort of expect a nerf on is ammo after mods, I have seen some ammo totals that are goofy.

and then you look over at the BRRT that is forever stuck at 35.

[mild mountain]

yeah BRRT needs to be able to have a mag to have any use

the unique one has a bigger mag but the regular one is just not fantastic

[candid bay]

I have been trying to use it with mechanical holsters for the vandal, havent' experimented enough yet with the combo because most of hte time I don't have both.

[mild kernel]

the unique one runs out of ammo in seconds, tbh useless

it would be amazing if it had double the mag size

[candid bay]

Vandal does a total reload on slide with the mod, but the slide is currently awkward.

[mild mountain]

Stares in the 2-3 rook runs I just did where I was able to open up pinnacle

you would be very surprised to see how often people don’t collect the cards

[mild kernel]

most of the time when I spawn in as rook, I run around to get the red cards and they are all gone, or I can only get 1

[candid bay]

hoping they do something like making it so I can double tap sprint to get the slide or something, I have had my share of what felt like failed slides because the sprint didn't activate.

[mild mountain]

I mean I’ve had my fair share where they’re not there. and if they aren’t, then I go into pinwheel.

[candid bay]

(also give me the normal slide even if the vandal mods don't work with it.)

[mild kernel]

its not like i have not tried to do armory on rook, ive been able to a handful of times, but 9/10 times unable

9/10 times, its going to be already opened, not enough cards on map to open (and killing commanders is way too noisy and unreliable for a rook)

[mild mountain]

but then I’ve had moments where I’ve been able to kill a team in pinwheel, they end up having 2 cards, and then I can still find one outside that wasn’t grabbed. usually the one wayyyy out on that skinny catwalk.

[mild kernel]

and occassionally I'll enter pinwheel as they are opening armory and I can sneak in

[candid bay]

I haven't done enough rook runs to have proper opinions. I mostly did it to finally get enough gels and then exfil from outpost because I don't have the gratis shotgun yet.

[mild kernel]

and honestly, armory isnt even that great..... it gives me the cryo 01 key for the 10th time

[candid bay]

Unless you find a lucky weapons locker you don't have much hope vs a 1v3.

A lot of map events and special rooms like that need big buffs.

Like supply cache on perimeter and dire marsh, it's only worth it if you need to give some freekit a green shield at best.

[mild kernel]

and the boxes usuall have only meh purple items usually, occassionally a prestige mod,

[candid bay]

I keep doing them and the pay out is always meh

I know prestiges can also drop from supply drops, but it's so rare.

[mild kernel]

yeah supply drop is absolutely trash usually

and just dangerous to call in, not worth it at all unless you have free kit and even then idk

[mild mountain]

well. it depends. Punch and WSTR rook is legitimately dangerous.

[candid bay]

I know they don't want to make them TURBO good, but they threaten to not be worth checking even if someone calls it down and it's 100% safe.

[mild kernel]

^ you have the potential to take out a full team if you can pick them one by one with WSTR and punch rook

[candid bay]

well you see, I don't have the WSTR for Rook yet. I need like 4 more arachene upgrades.

I need to go deliberately farm the blue mats.

[mild mountain]

catching a team lacking as they enter the command wing as rook is so funny

[mild kernel]

over-looting teams in armory is good for rooks too

can usually always get 1 kill out of it

[candid bay]

I might get the rook blue backpack before the rook shotgun depending on how dumb my credits get in pursuit of it.

it's mostly the last credits upgrade keeping me from that.

I rather not go totally broke, sponsor kit hell is not somewhere I want to go back to.

I'll hang out and afford my minimum kit of green shield + punch + basic meds at the minimum.

[balmy spire]

I'd say supply drop on Outpost is oddly enough actually worth doing if you know everyone else is in Pinwheel
You get a guaranteed red keycard from it
And potentially another keycard as well
I've gotten a fragile purple key for Outpost, as well as prestige weapon mods from it as well
The odds aren't great I'd imagine but for a yellow+green keycard it's not a terrible way to roll the dice if you can pull it off

[candid bay]

I figured it was a better reward, most of the map events on outpost seem legit, they just don't show up often and ooohhboy it screams "FIGHT ME"

[wraith cobalt]

GG teammates purposely throwing matches is insane

theres a serious problem with this game

[radiant lava]

have you never played online video games before?

sorry that was rude, but it isn't super uncommon in FPS games

[wraith cobalt]

its been a super big problem for me recently in this game..

[radiant lava]

yeah, trio fill is super rough even though this is supposed to be a "hardcore" game

[quartz oasis]

I mean, I’m gonna be real if I see my teammates screwing up and my loadout is less than 5k i will just dip to not waste my time

[wraith cobalt]

i loaded in let my team know i have a key template.

[quartz oasis]

i can make that back in one rook run

[wraith cobalt]

they follow me killing bots and im trying not to make noise..

[radiant lava]

you can't expect randoms to cooperate with you

[wraith cobalt]

i didnt want them too

[quartz oasis]

okay? i mean you can’t control them and not all classes are sneaky. i hate when we start a run and are avoiding enemies and sneaking. I need gear and loot. kill the damn bots

[radiant lava]

I get your frustration though

[wraith cobalt]

its okay.

[radiant lava]

Just the nature of playing with randoms I feel

[quartz oasis]

might be worth looking into lfc

[wraith cobalt]

i know what happened i was purposely trying to avoid them. they purposely follow me, and gave my position away intentionally for whatever reason.

all good. im not making excuses but thank you for the kind conversation.

[radiant lava]

good luck in your future runs

[wraith cobalt]

yall have a good day.

[prime condor]

Gotta just assume your randos are actually sub-human until proven otherwise man, then still treat with scrutiny. No solution for it unfortunately.

[quartz oasis]

but also don’t taunt them

[wraith cobalt]

never taunted anyone

[prime condor]

Some will be great, some will be the worst person you’ve ever met. Such is the nature of TCIV.

[quartz oasis]

I went into a perimeter on a free kit just trying to earn the skin for the faction and I load in with two people that have green shields. One of them turns around to me and starts immediately going “nice kit bro nice kit” and I said “OK enjoy being a duo in a map full of trios” and immediately left.

[wraith cobalt]

told them why i was there, and they didnt like that i had a template and wanted me dead.

[quartz oasis]

block anyone that mentions the player count and your day will go far easier

so nice and quiet in here :3

[prime condor]

Had a dude today get 0 kills, snag the gold off my kill and then lie about my duo taking it. And just a few runs before that I got a dude who shared his key loot with me and the other rando. It really is just a coin flip man.

[sharp temple]

i mean think about it that way, they make accounts t ospam about the player numbers

[quartz oasis]

I had a fill triage loot my bag of all of my good stuff, including my ammo before reviving me

[sharp temple]

how sad of an existence is this

[turbid plover]

john "d2 died because of marathon" can't get enough of marathon server, bro is secretly a superfan

[quartz oasis]

I mean, honestly I kind of wish that destiny 2 ended with final shape like literally once you beat the expansion. It just gave you a the end screen and then deleted itself.

[prime condor]

For some people this genre of game really brings out the worst of them, can’t imagine ratting another person on my team that bad in any circumstance

[turbid plover]

real

[quartz oasis]

yeah i left after that didn’t even have good stuff but with no ammo it is like okay now i can do nothing thanks.

[tender rivet]

Okay John

Whatever you say John

[prime condor]

Always wonder what the end goal is there, like now your teammate is up and you have more loot, but you still have to fight whatever downed them, now missing a working gun from your team?

[sharp temple]

say whatr

[quartz oasis]

“Shadow and Order gonna save D2 just you wait and see!” mega cope lmao

[sharp temple]

im enjoying it buddy

[viscid olive]

Not really, games super duper addicting

[sharp temple]

just let him cry that bungie is moving on to other projects, the franchise lived for 12 years let it die

[viscid olive]

Okay?

[sharp temple]

@pulsar bone can you get this person out

[tender rivet]

Actual level 0 ragebaiter trying so hard to get attention from his dumbass opinions which are barely built on constructive points

[quartz oasis]

y’all fall for bait way too easily

[tender rivet]

Eh. The internet has easily became the place for a lot of people to take shit for granted because it's the equivalent of a second life to many.

[sharp temple]

its still annoying

[quartz oasis]

yeah but they get off to the attention so the sooner you block and stop engaging the sooner they get bored and go troll some other discord lol

[rapid abyss]

whats D2 🥺

https://d2lang.com what is this

[sharp temple]

also an fyi, we have a destiny 2 clan branching out to marathon mostly but others games as well if you are interested and you like the endgame of marathon shoot me a message we need people

[night hawk]

I wouldn't even play this game, if it was free to play 😆

[queen falcon]

They aren't even opinions....literally just regurgitating the same thing over and over....only because they think it's funny and get 5min of entertainment. The decent ones are like, "Let's try this and see if what they say is true." 6hrs later, "Wow....this is actually kind of decent....", the next day, "Ok...I need some sleep....games pretty good though...ok, it's actually REALLY fucking good!"

[tender rivet]

My experience with Marathon was:

"Wow I am going blind and I got a headache" to "Wow I can't stop fucking thinking about it"

[turbid plover]

Lemme transalte what john is saying:
🥺 guys marathon is bad why are you enjoying it 🥺
🥺 guys please stop playing marathon I need bungie to make d2 good again 🥺
🥺 guys please d2 is in shambles I'm jealous of marathon's team and how they're actually responding to feedback 🥺

[tender rivet]

Who's bungie anyways? I thought the game is called Marathon (this is a joke)

[turbid plover]

never heard of her 🚬

[queen falcon]

Yeah the bright colors were kind of shocking at first, only because in this genre the majority of these games use dark and dreary color pallet to set the tone, but you also get used to them pretty quickly and realize it's not about the color pallet setting the tone of the game.

[tender rivet]

My main problem, which was really fucking funny, was my HDR was cranked the fuck up too high and the game looked like a fucking flashbang. I was playing like this =_= half the time lmfao

[sand radish]

Good for you. I can’t even see runners on the rooftops of Outpost with brightness maxed.

[tender rivet]

Not very good when I was playing with sunglasses on

[sand radish]

Also HDR in games is almost always never implemented well.

[tender rivet]

Jokes apart I fixed it by adjusting some settings that I fucked up myself before even starting the game

[regal cipher]

you may cope and seethe good sir and or madam

[lean crescent]

The red with HDR is hard to look at

[tender rivet]

YEAH i still have issues with that, I use an OLED panel and the HDR makes the game look fucking fantastic, but the RED is UGH

[lean crescent]

New meta, convince everyone else to use HDR and camp tunnels on perimeter 🤣 cause you can't see shit down there like that

[tender rivet]

Actual fucking fire statement, bungie pls

[dull kraken]

I love this game, but taking away duos even for just the slightest bit is only going to make people quit playing the game.. I was literally in the middle of teaching my wife how to play the game the right way because it could be just us 2 on duos and they ripped it away..

[rugged saffron]

It's really not that hard to just do fills and add the cool ones until you consistently have a 3rd to play with

Some fills will carry your ass, accept your friend request, and then carry your ass again and again for hours while teaching you deep game knowledge.

[unborn leaf]

Going duo in trios isn't that bad either

[rugged saffron]

That as well. But sometimes the 3rd man clutches up even if they're a potato. It's often just better to have a 3rd.

[unborn leaf]

Definitely, it's one more gun and one more target in any case

[rugged saffron]

I've had fills contribute a lot to my run with the "one more target" angle. Heh.

[unborn leaf]

I feel there have been occasions where my main contribution has been that too lol

[lean crescent]

This is why I main triage. Constant heals plus oh shit revive is goated

[rugged saffron]

I've been an Assassin main and I'm now probably going to be playing a lot of Vandal.

But when my friend who plays Triage isn't online, I play Triage myself. Sometimes my fills are also Triage and that's redundant and not great, but it's worth it because not having Triage on my team feels so awful.

It's the heals really. Free kit? You need Triage or you're fucked.

Paid kit? Either you have Triage or you're wasting all your expensive heals on chip damage.

[unborn leaf]

Same, pretty much always play triage when i random fill for that exact reason

[rugged saffron]

Yeup

[lean crescent]

Yeah, Plenty of poi's where i run the risk of running at half shield cause i only have blue heals left as my drone recharges. Instant drone on spawn is a amazing upgrade though.

[dull kraken]

Yeah, but then you have most who understand that she’s new to fps shooters in general and they take advantage of her. So because of this she only runs solo while I’m at work and then she might hop on with me after I get home if she’s feeling up to it.. Secondly her head isn’t always completely in the game so randoms just get upset and run off and do their own thing.. she’s literally scared to play trios because of her terrible experience with teammates that were not me or my friends.. she’s not dumb she just has add so you gotta communicate. Anyway just my thoughts.

And now we have literal cheaters in the game and nothing is being done about it apparently. Tracking through walls on an extraction shooter is the highest tier of garbage you could ever be.

[pearl nexus]

#dev-updates message

[dull kraken]

Thank you for correcting me. I apologize.

[unborn leaf]

Very understandable, that's why i brought up the option of playing duo in trios. I mean obviously it will be harder but still very doable imo if you are able to enjoy the extra bit of challenge

[rugged saffron]

Every online game has cheaters, unfortunately. Anticheat reduces the number of them but doesn't bring it to zero

[rugged saffron]

With this though, the Dads of Marathon Discord server is a place you should check out! You might be able to find some mature people there who will be decent instead of weird about your wife's skill level and ADD.

[hollow verge]

100%. I wish people would not take the fact that they have heard some people run into cheaters as a sign that devs are 'doing nothing about it'

Every videogame you have ever played there has been people cheating in it, period. Even if ya don't see it, even if it's a tiny drop of players in the ocean of legitimate players, there's always someone cheating and there's always work going into mitigating it. This game is a mile past a lot of its peers in terms of dealing with cheaters as far as I've seen ancedotally

[gentle trout]

But the amount of reports suggest that the anti cheat isnt effective since there is blatant cheating, they need to figure out how to stop the flood so we just have droplets of cheaters, do bungie still use battleye still or something else

If the game gets bad there could be secure boot im pretty sure battleye has it as a option

[brave sinew]

Take this with a grain of salt because it might just be a false memory, but I remember reading a study somewhere that with any given online game, about 10% of its players are cheating. I feel like that's actually low though - when I had friends and played WoW, I think about half of them were cheating, lol. Either botting, buying gold, or using some kind of automatic macro thing.

[gentle trout]

Depends on the anti cheat and engine

[rugged saffron]

Fortnite has cheaters.

League of Legends has (probably less) cheaters but nobody likes Riot Vanguard.

Valorant has cheaters. And people still don't like Riot Vanguard

[queen falcon]

And this one of MANY reasons I try to avoid the feedback threads like it's a church filled with black plague victims.

[turbid plover]

People don't like vanguard for the wrong reasons though, it's been proven to be effective. Cheaters in Valorant get banned under 10 matches played

[rugged saffron]

Anticheat is an unending process of cat and mouse, and often cheaters will be banned in waves instead of instantly. They are allowed to keep playing for a time after they're detected as a cheater because if they were banned instantly, cheat developers would have a much easier time reverse-engineering what was getting their cheat detected.

The only realistic move that Bungie could (and probably should) make for Marathon is to prevent people with VAC bans from playing Marathon at all.

[turbid plover]

I frequent feedback, it's just... Severely unmoderated

[rugged saffron]

Anticheat paranoia is unwarranted for sure but people would lose their shit if Marathon did something similar.

And Vanguard was causing serious system issues early into its lifespan. They fixed that stuff but it was bad.

[gentle trout]

Fortnite went kernel with secure boot and iommu requirements for tournaments so people aren’t gonna like that, vanguard is a pretty good anti cheat the odds of running to cheaters are low and if you get affected by a cheater you get compensation and there is a lot of preventive measures in vanguard, but not every anti cheat is gonna be like vanguard

[turbid plover]

Has it? I've had it on like 3 different machines since its birth and it did not adversely affect any of them

[rugged saffron]

People had entire boot drives corrupted at Vanguard's birth

[rugged saffron]

For tournaments. Marathon already uses BattlEye, which is kernel.

[turbid plover]

Yeah not every studio can invest millions of dollars and tens of thousands of manhours into developing a robust anticheat. Riot had the luxury of having both, in addition to a monumentally large dataset for identifying cheating and player behaviour

Thank you mods for removing dupe threads 👍
Idk why you removed my message though... I will remember that.

[hollow verge]

There is not an overly abundant amount of reports is the issue. There are some reports, but it's nowhere near the epedemic we were seeing in ARC early on for example. And every time you boot the game you can see they use Battleye.

[gentle trout]

But does it use iommu and secure boot, and it being kernel doesn’t stop as much stuff because battleye is common, but it is bungie we talking about they could probably could figure something out maybe

[turbid plover]

Truth is at its core battleye has holes that can't be simply patched, I'm not gonna discuss its vulnerabilities here but it's just a fact that at this moment people can cheat and not get detected by automated systems

[hollow verge]

Sadly VAC is full of false positives, and also a disproportionate amount of people who got V& in goldsrc games fucking around who still carry a VAC to this day. Was just talking to a couple friends about their 19 year old V&s on their account from CS1.6 shittery, back when they were kids.

[gentle trout]

Arc was bad, the unlimited rpm cronus macro will forever haunt me

[turbid plover]

And we also don't know what kind of telemetry or data bungie gathers from moment to moment gameplay and whether they can even detect cheating via manual reviews

They did mention that it's not only battleye that's working in Marathon but also an in house solution, so I can only hope that we'll see it come to fruition. Hopefully sooner than later

[gentle trout]

The fog of war thing?

[unique sapphire]

Did they change the final exfil on Outpost to be the same place again or did I get lucky?

[turbid plover]

That's just part of it, not entirely

From cheating footage I saw though fog of war is working as intended

But it's just a stopgap, not a failproof solution

[hollow verge]

Never will be a failproof solution tbf

[turbid plover]

True

[lean crescent]

There are places you can see through walls.

[split thunder]

It definitely is an ongoing arms race; thankfully the stakes are nothing more than some lost time and annoyance.

Cheating in multiplayer videogames kind of is a perfect distillation of everything wrong with humans.

[gentle trout]

I wish the marathon controller system was in destiny 2 but it probably never happen because of the technicalities of swapping xinput 1.4 to gameinput(im sure that what marathon uses maybe) and retune the aim assist radius’s, also they need to add a monitor distance slider and a better ads multiplier adjustment

[leaden pier]

I'm just saying, if gaming companies sued the 3rd party websites that sell cheats, it would probably be way less prominent

[gentle trout]

For kbm and controller

[gentle trout]

It happens but not a lot

[leaden pier]

Yea, bungie did it once lol

[hollow verge]

What is the mechanism for an american company suing a company in eastern europe, for example.

Cheat hosts are typically not american based, if they're out of china/a non EU country you're pretty much SoL when it comes to legal recourse.

[leaden pier]

Hmm true

[hollow verge]

Same reason why there are still so many surface net piracy websites you can go to today and just download brand new games, sure a lot do get shut down due to companies putting pressure on hosting services, but if your host is out of RU they don't give half a fuck what an american court says lolol

[leaden pier]

Yea, wish we had systems for this type of shit lol

[gentle trout]

Meanwhile everyone is trying to sue bungie, remember someone sued bungie because of the red war campaign

[leaden pier]

That was something LMFAO

Hopefully someone locks in and SURELY we get some systems for this shit and the internet would simply be just better with them

[gentle trout]

Im pretty sure bungie were loosing because red war isnt compatible with the modern tiger engine so they couldnt use the evidence they had

[leaden pier]

Like the first 3 dlcs are literally gone

And they can't show them or bring them back to the game, so they had to settle cuz they refused to use YouTube vids as evidence

[split thunder]

oh dang i got killed for the first time piloting my little drone as thief because I didn't hide well enough 🙁

[deft tiger]

That's always happening to me. That's why I don't play Thief anymore 😅

It was the same with the Crypto character in Apex Legends. Always dying on the drone

[native matrix]

ive had it in different locations

[tender rivet]

Here he is, John Marathon

[brave sinew]

So thermals only work within the gun's range?

[split thunder]

I need someone to diagnose what sort of psychological disorder I have that I keep clearing just enough space in my vault to let me go use a free kit and then keep using free kits and getting killed over and over because ... free kit ...

[cloud marsh]

Hoarding

[quaint aspen]

scared

[brave sinew]

rattism

[regal cipher]

i diagnose you with rat

[turbid plover]

Not once, only one of the lawsuits was huge

[rugged saffron]

Poop fart disease

[brave sinew]

Speaking of bungie, I just had the realization that every bungie IP is the same story.
Marathon - superpower armor guy fights alien invasion
Halo - superpower armor guy fights alien invasion
Destiny - superpower armor guy fights alien invasion

I mean, not that it's a bad story. I quite like it. It's just interesting.

[rugged saffron]

I saw an enemy runner today named "UESC POOPER"

[leaden pier]

^

[brave sinew]

All their IPs also involve an AI that goes crazy too. Although, that is pretty standard sci-fi stuff, so maybe it doesn't count.

[turbid plover]

They're also all loosely interconnected or borrow overarching tones and ideas from each other

[brave sinew]

Murder alien?

I'm not so good at understanding themes and tone and all that with media. I mostly just like it when the big man blow thing up.

They should add more cybernetic dragons though.

[split thunder]

I heard they got cybernetic dragons in Cryo, i still haven't visited

[brave sinew]

So is Destroyer a battleroid or is he just like walmart brand battleroid?

[quartz oasis]

destroyer just a shell like the rest. battleroids were soldier corpses reanimated with advanced cybernetics

[zenith oxide]

Budget cuts

[brave sinew]

government contracted battleroids.

[gentle crane]

Clearly. You wake up daily at 4am to check Steam charts and get on a game’s discord that you hate to ragebait.

You have a low-tier life that doesn’t give the impression of being very fulfilling.

I’m glad that we’re here otherwise I would bet money that you’d be swinging from the ceiling like some kind of fucked up cat toy without Marathon to give you something to focus on.

[quartz oasis]

god damn lmao

[flint island]

where to go to find mate

[twin light]

Around 30k at NA peak and the devs seem to be listening, seems fine to me. Go back to your home, the unity-slopcode called Tarkov where all misery resides in perpetuality.

[gentle crane]

Some people say bars and apps but I met my wife through mutual friends, so honestly any social gathering with friends can work if you’re easy to talk to and put a little effort into your appearance

[flint island]

🤣

and for marathon

[gentle crane]

oh. shit i usually just add people who have mics and play good as a team after squad-fill runs

the UI for adding people post-run should be updated to be more intuitive though.

[zenith oxide]

Yeah, run crew fill and add people you liked playing with

Use your mic

[flint island]

ahah, idk what to do i am in asia serveur and mate idk they play like they have two year old and i can't change to eu serveur

i use my mic every time

[severe shale]

we can play im in asian servers too

[gusty sedge]

yo does doing vault 7 and killing compiler not count towards cryo contract??

killed 7 runners and then compiler and contracy is marked as unfinished

[carmine ginkgo]

Having that would mean essentially each country/region would end up having their own closed networks

[sage edge]

Hey, genuine question, no offense, but do you think it's worth buying this game since there's a good chance it'll be free or closed in a few months?

I'm asking seriously

[lean hatch]

I think the game is the best Bungie's ever made and im a long time fan. its worthed as long as it last's.

[stiff brook]

I love this game too but, the “Just get good” campaign isn’t really working out to well is it?

[lean crescent]

Yeah no it isnt. anyone who says "Just get good" is a troll.

[gleaming fox]

i agree, the game is insanely good.

[rotund epoch]

It’s just practice and time investment

[lean crescent]

I mean even then, The anticheat is swiss cheese. Ranked is a meme for most players. The bottom already left and even on cryo rotation we arent hitting 30k.

[rotund epoch]

That’s true

[lean crescent]

Im decent at the game, but shit im running into people who only play FPS games or people who just "Know" where you are all the time. Like sure i could spend time training my aim but i play games to have fun and aim training aint that.

[rotund epoch]

Then play controller

This game has the most agressive aim assist I’ve ever seen seen

[lean crescent]

Only game i use my controller for is dark souls or elden ring. 🤣

[rotund epoch]

Several of my die hard MnK friends have swapped to controller for this game because it’s so op

Give it a try

[brave sinew]

I have the same issue. Some people just have a sixth sense about what is around them.

[lean crescent]

Yeah, and people tell you to listen but like. 90% of the sound i hear is my own footsteps or bots lol. Tarkov sound was better for all its faults

[brave sinew]

I get confused by all the ambient noises. Those little toxin plants sound like someone running through water right at me.

Random sirens going off. Lightning bolts that might be explosions from a grenade or something.

[rare turret]

How do I find my DAC?

[hallow stream]

Nah

Its in top 5 fosure tho

[upper shale]

I mean, I had 700h on Tarkov whereas I have 120h on Marathon. It's easy to say that Tarkov had better sound since I was pretty used to it (and I assume those talking about it as well). However, do you remember how messed up it really was in game ? In dorms, in the sanatorium or on interchange especially. You sometimes had spots where you couldn't hear anything or hear noises from far away, you also had the weird sound change whenever you entered a building even though it has a bunch of windows open or large openings in the walls...

[rotund epoch]

The audio in this game is actually quite op, you can tell an enemy vs a teammate by the clarity of the footstep, your teamates are muted, and you can always tell a bot vs a player with the cadence of the steps

[brave sinew]

It used to be a channel in here with a bot you would request it from, but it looks like its gone now. I don't think you can do the arg stuff anymore.

[sand radish]

You can’t even hear someone 20m running away from you in a fight. But you can hear if someone is running around a building 50m away. 🤷‍♂️

[brave sinew]

Yeah, you can hear broken glass from like a mile away too. It's odd.

[lean crescent]

I have seen people before hearing them plenty of times.

[sand radish]

Yeah I can tell it’s whack because I always spawn rush. You only hear the other team running into you like 15-20m away.

Which is why when people are rushing you or third partying you only hear when it’s already too late 🤷‍♂️

[verbal pulsar]

It's highly contextual. Some people do need to hear it. Some people hear it, get angry and leave. Some people hear it and come back an hour later saying they understand now. It's not like it's meant to shut down all criticism, nor does everyone use the phrase equally well. What else are you supposed to say to the crowd who wants the game to fundamentally change for them?

[sand radish]

Also when the elevation is different you hear farther ???

I’m used to it though. Apex has the same problem.

The problem is game audio is still in the stone age when they can use raytracing to model sound better.

[lean crescent]

If you dont atleast offer usefull advice to get good with, your using it wrong.

[verbal pulsar]

Someone who asks for PvE, there is no advice for them. Some people do just need to put the time in or chose a better game for their preferences. Not every game needs to be for everyone. Sure, PvE would raise the player numbers, but it would also start watering down the game till it's just a PvE game. It's already starting to happen in arc.

[long lantern]

so i can triple confirm now. loading up Pacific Drive and then closing it seems to break BattleEye for Marathon and it requires a full reboot to fix. it will say Query Timed Out and give error code Plum and it will only do this after you have loaded up and exited Pacific Drive at some point since rebooting the PC. there are probably other games this is happening with so uh, where would i go to report this bug LMAO. seems the game im assuming is leaving something behind that BattleEye does not like and is picking up as a false positive

[verbal pulsar]

Did you test with other battle eye games? Like pacific drive > whatever other game to see if it's broke there too?

[long lantern]

loading up gray zone now to trple verify but thus far it seems to be exclusively Marathon that this is happening to. wont know for a minute as it takes a while for the query timeout to happen

[lean crescent]

Arc also isnt suffering from loosing over half of the peak player base in a month.

[long lantern]

no timeout in grayzone yet. will try helldivers 2 next as well

[verbal pulsar]

It's also never a game I'd play because it's focused too much on casual experiences. If they shifted the focus too much from what the current focus is, they might have a larger player base, but the current fan base would likely die off. Just because something is popular doesn't make it good. Otherwise, every game should just be candy crush or fortnite. Two of the most popular games by player count in the world.

[long lantern]

yea seems like it might just be Marathon this is happening with

[turbid plover]

Marathon hates pacific drive players 😔

[bleak spear]

you could run up the metal stair up to techlight on interchange and people would never hear you cooiming, only last step made a noise.

[long lantern]

theyre telling me i shoudl be running instead of driving clearly

[shut cargo]

you forgot the "stand in a staircase and you wont hear shit from any angle" tech lol. tarkov was and still is a shitshow of a game. Its a fun game but its wonky af xD

[long lantern]

or how half the time tarkov's audio does not like to differentiate above and below so you'll hear people above you but they sound like therye on the same floor as you

[stiff brook]

There are things that can be done without watering down the entire game but, they HAVE to actually do the things.
The pain points of the game is what’s turning away casuals not the difficulty. If difficulty was such a turn off then no one would play Dark Souls.

[lean crescent]

But hey atleast when it was quiet you could listen lol.

[lean crescent]

Salvage should be removed from your vault, All mods/gear upto blue should stack

[quaint aspen]

What would you say the pain points are?

Also comparing something like dark souls difficulty wise isn't really a fair comparison. Single player difficulty vs. multi player difficulty are always hard to quantify, especially when theres winning/losing and risk/reward to consider.

[quartz oasis]

I agree on exfil it should become like a currency instead of taking up space

[long lantern]

also the souls games all have sharp player drops within the first week too

[lean crescent]

30% of my vault is salvage and its so annoying xD dont have enough to upgrade and need purple's and yellows badly

[bitter jacinth]

I know I am a needle in a haystack for this player base, but I absolutely love this game. PLEASE add some sort of a free weekend in an attempt to have people try this game out? The amount of times I bring this game up to my friends, they would be interested to try it BUT they don't want to spend 40$ to try it out. I personally think having a one or two free weekends a month plus a little extra goop to start out with, like some 5k kits, could expand the player base and hook some new players.

[quaint aspen]

I think if they do a free weekend, they have to wait until reset lol. Doing it now would just lead to alot of people getting out geared

[median mist]

Buff destroyer✋

[long lantern]

free weekends are a fine idea, its full free to play you dont want. trust me coming from ABI

[stiff brook]

I would say some pain points are the way Solo queue balance feels for most people. I also think the onboarding sucks. I think there are Faction upgrades that are extremely important that take way too long to unlock. For example, Blue Shields.
I also think there are aspects of Cryo Archive that could be looked at. I could go on…

[bitter jacinth]

True but giving them extra kits might actually help because it is at no cost to the player

[clever burrow]

Game just came out

[long lantern]

i would also argue its not just abotu gear in this game its also the capstones and faction upgrades that fuck over late wipe joiners by design. which is why it would be best on a fresh wipe

[lean crescent]

And lost the majority of the player base.

[lean crescent]

Yeah, Triage sprint without the heatupgrades is awfull.

[stiff brook]

@clever burrow You’re not helping.

[clever burrow]

Happens with almost every game

[long lantern]

i mean all extraction shooters do this, its mid wipe already

[clever burrow]

What do you need honey

[long lantern]

midwipe is in 1 week, this is about when tarkov loses all of its casual base and is replaced with sweats and a lwoer playercount

[clever burrow]

A bunch of grown men crying over a video game because it’s not perfectly suited for them? Sounds about right😔 they’ll fix shit just give them time

[stiff brook]

@clever burrow I don’t need anything but, Bungie need a Life Preserver

[bitter jacinth]

My question is, what would help the player base more right now? Wait until a reset (How long until a reset?) or allow for free weekends sooner. I do understand gear creep is quite big in this game but still, I think free weekends/free LTMs would be good for the player base

[stiff brook]

@clever burrow Thanks for helping to kill the game. Well done

[long lantern]

again its mid wipe. they all do this. its going to spike again when wipe comes

[lean crescent]

Lowering player spawns on dire marsh would be nice.

[stiff brook]

@clever burrow You’re EXACTLY the type of player that’s killing the game.

[turbid plover]

Yes only one person needs to have all subroutines, and the dna key or whatever it was called

[clever burrow]

Im still playing the game bud. What more could you want this is the normal cycle of an extraction shooter. You are so emotional

[long lantern]

you keep shouting that its dead but its not dying yet?

[turbid plover]

wtf is going on in this chat bro I'm so lost rn

[clever burrow]

The game isn’t dying at all you are just chronically online

[stiff brook]

I’m not shouting the game is dead. I have 60 hours in so far.

[clever burrow]

That’s nothing buddy

Just stop freaking out

It’ll be okay, the game is fine

[stiff brook]

@clever burrow Yeah but, you’re 2% of the player base

[balmy hazel]

the math aint mathing

[stiff brook]

Most people have less hours than I do or left

[long lantern]

extraction shooters do not retain their playerbase for the entirety of their wipe. they peak and valley. they all do this

its the dark souls of FPS genres, it goes through the same tail effects as a souls game

[turbid plover]

And what's that supposed to mean exactly?

[stiff brook]

Idk, how many players do they need to keep the lights on?

[turbid plover]

I'll be honest a lot of people that came into Marathon aren't even extraction shooter players, we're here. The only people doomposting about the game are extraction tourists

[stiff brook]

Convince you guys know everything tell me

[clever burrow]

Bro what is wrong with you😂

You are so weird it’s entertaining

[turbid plover]

Also like it was said before, it's almost mid-wipe. It's the most normal time to have lowest playercounts

Really the numbers mean fuckall until we're well into season 2

[stiff brook]

Ok cool so, I’m looking forward to playing Night Marsh. I guess there’s nothing to see here?

[turbid plover]

Wipe will make extraction tourists leave, and it'll bring in fresh players. Then we can have a talk about numbers

[long lantern]

is this your first rodeo?

[pliant garnet]

There’s the new activity coming out

[stiff brook]

I didn’t need faster queue times anyway

[long lantern]

youll get them at the start of the wipe

[clever burrow]

This guy

[long lantern]

the reason they are longer is the Season Level MM and various other factors. like the fact its midwipe and there were multiple queues

[turbid plover]

True, early wipe is the best time to play anyway no matter what kinda player you are

And arguably late wipe is the worst time to play cause everyone will be eager to throw all their gear away lol, it'll be a bloodbath

[stiff brook]

So you guys think that when Season 2 starts there’s gonna be like 50,000 players again?

[turbid plover]

Prolly not

[long lantern]

i dunno what the number is gonna be but its gonna spike and its going to spike a lot more than youre expecting

especially when bungie starts dropping a lot of the old marathon shit theyre currently keeping close to their chest

[turbid plover]

I mean if people stopped doomposting and addressed actual issues and good things about the game maybe it would've been much better for both overall population and word of mouth marketing

[stiff brook]

Well, their numbers are dropping below Hunt Showdown right now and for a brand new game that’s not great. But hey, whatevs right?

[turbid plover]

For every 10 doomer takes I see on social media I see like half a good post about shit marathon does well

[long lantern]

Tarkov is under 7k. They all do this

[stiff brook]

On Steam?

[long lantern]

Hunt is BARELY an extraction shooter in the same vein as this and Tarkov

[south bay]

just woke up, add +1 player in an hour or so

[turbid plover]

Tell me you never played hunt without telling me you never played hunt ass statement

[stiff brook]

What’s Tarkov on their main platform?

[south bay]

pc

[long lantern]

they dont give numbers but the 10 minute queue times might give you a good picture right

[stiff brook]

But this game is brand new

[south bay]

tarkov is pc only

[clear vigil]

I think they have their own launcher so just means Steam player count doesn't capture all (re: tarkov)

[stiff brook]

^Bingo

[long lantern]

correct. but we also know from other metrics it goes through the same things

Peaks at Wipe, Wanes at Midwipe, Dead at Late Wipe

[clear vigil]

are you saying players will come back for s2 because of new lore? I don't get it lol

[south bay]

worst case, this turns into a destiny like mmo

[long lantern]

no? theres a dozen factions that havent been shown yet from the old games im trying not to spoil for the folks who are not familiar

[mild mountain]

player counts this, player counts that. marathon isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. it would take an astronomical dip in players for anything meaningful to really happen.

[verbal pulsar]

From a ratio of peak to current population, both arc raiders and marathon are currently at around 1/4th their peak player counts. That's just how games go, man.

[clear vigil]

I mean I guess factions are lore. Do players really want 6+ more factions? idk

[turbid plover]

I swear half the people commenting about player counts never looked at these trends in their lives before now

[long lantern]

im not talking about factions in that sense good lord || the covenant from halo is literally shit from Marathon. theres gonna be a whole fucking alien invasion within the next season or two||

[mild mountain]

I’d not mind more factions with more barter options

[strange walrus]

perfectly said, that's always the cycle with extraction shooters, don't pay attention to fear mongers doomposting

i prefer slow growing in this case for a long term game than a ultra hype and short life like most games, solid things take a lot of time

i've never feel something like Marathon before, i'm hooked and ready to play it for years

[mild mountain]

but in that same breath it’s already a lot to max out the factions currently so maybe not

[turbid plover]

Maybe we'll have 6 factions regardless but which ones are available will change with each season for unique upgrades and shops

[stiff brook]

@verbal pulsar But their numbers aren’t even close to the same. Neither are their sales.🤣🤣🤣

[mild mountain]

now here’s an idea.

[turbid plover]

Neither are their audiences, duh

[verbal pulsar]

It brings me peace to remember that survivorship bias took so long for people paid to figure out the problems of their jet fighters as long as it took them to figure out. Some people are just not statistically inclined

[verbal pulsar]

Neither are doing as good as fortnite or candy crush. If you care so much about playing a popular game instead of a good one, you have the free will to do so.

[stiff brook]

The audience??? wtf cares. They want 🤑🤑🤑🤑

[turbid plover]

You're... Special

[long lantern]

do you do this for every video game? or are you an investor

[strange walrus]

he doesn't understand long term business, bro can't even pay his own bills ffs

[mild mountain]

people don’t remember that Fortnite wasn’t even an initial success. took them a little bit.

[long lantern]

also to be clear no one is saying this game is setting the world on fire or doing cod or destiny numbers, just that its doing fine

[verbal pulsar]

People who care only about money are the most parasitic people that will remove all artistic integrity from a project for the soul purpose of making it sell more. People lie you are why all fast food chains look the same now. All movies have the same plot points. All games are moving in the direction of live service. Let that sink in.

[strange walrus]

and was hated so bad, until it wasn't

[long lantern]

its ok for a video game to do fine. you do not need to larp as a CEO deadset on killing their company chasing only blockbusters

[mild mountain]

obviously not anticipating a Fortnite style explosion. but neither did Fortnite really!

[verbal pulsar]

The original game was also Minecraft adjacent instead of a br 😭

[stiff brook]

I never expected Destiny numbers but, I also expected more than this at launch up to now.

[mild mountain]

some weird Minecraft adjacent horde survival thing

[quartz oasis]

realistically Sony can’t afford the bad press of another high profile failure so they’re probably going to try and support this as long as possible. I don’t see it going anywhere anytime soon.

[verbal pulsar]

I never actually played it, it's just a meme that lives on in my head. It may even outlast durandel

[long lantern]

but why? extraction shooters never do that well. this is actually doing pretty good for an extraction shooter even

[mild mountain]

people are weird. pocket watching video games like they’re holding stake in a competitor or something. either play the game or don’t.

[turbid plover]

I expected this game to flop 🤷‍♂️ I'm still number 1 bungie hater

[long lantern]

ARC Raiders is a statistical outlier in this area but its also setup in a way to be extremely forgiving and these days is basically a couch coop game

[quartz oasis]

wonder if they have a bet on polymarket or something

[long lantern]

and even ARC is losing players

[mild mountain]

everyone is allowed to have their own opinion but people have gotten to a point where they feel like everyone must know their opinion on everything.

[strange walrus]

that's delusional for a game that is this disruptive and hardcore, that is just brand new, that is starting to unfold its lore to have the same impact as destiny at launch, not even destiny had that impact wtf are you on?

this game is still in baby mode, it's shaping up a lot of things and you can feel the potential is enormous, like anything i've seen, that's it, we have to let it grow and build a strong community

[stiff brook]

@long lantern Because of the Bungie name and also how much they spent to make it and market it.

[turbid plover]

I'd be skinned alive if I shared every opinion I have lmao

[mild mountain]

saying.

[long lantern]

but people also know what an extraction shooter is already. brand recognition only goes so far, which is why this game did exceptionally well compared to damn near every other extraction shooter release in recent years

besides the free to play and mobile ones