new-noise

[turbid plover]

why tf is sprint kit a head implant anyway

[forest narwhal]

I mean im still rolling blue shield kits with my v11 so...

[turbid plover]

wstr's problem is that it's too readily available really, can buy a bunch of them, can farm rook runs for it, bots drop it, also double pump is instant death while misriah has a much slower firerate

[queen falcon]

What do you mean STILL? Bitch, I'm rocking grey shields from the sponsored kits or green shields right now. Haven't unlocked blue shields for purchase yet. 😂

[turbid plover]

it's just uninteractive

[signal bough]

the worster

[autumn wren]

I’m guessing because not every shell is a runner so the universal implant would be to put it in their heads

[turbid plover]

worcestershire

[signal bough]

worster sauce

[forest narwhal]

when it rotates to buy them for blue dermachem packs just hoard them

[rough obsidian]

I would suggest either nerfing it's TTK (maybe not damage but delay between shots) or just adjusting the scaling of the knife rather than then reducing its max damage. The WSTR already dominates the meta CQC and throwing it the added benefit of not needing to worry about being knifed while in its ideal range is not going to fix that.

[queen falcon]

Reducing its availability actually could help A LOT. I know I've been given so many I've been selling them for the 2k. I still have like 5-6 in the vault too.

[turbid plover]

I had a friend bring some from UK few months ago I still have no idea what to use this fish sauce for

[proud ridge]

I love skinning rooks while I drive and get faded as a mf 😎

[turbid plover]

anyway time to go to dire marsh a bit, I got some keys to burn (lose)

[queen falcon]

Ha...you think I have enough dermachem packs for that....I need those for upgrades! 😂

[queen falcon]

Reminds me...I need to actually hop on play...gotta get my daily free meds!

[north ravine]

Anyone know when and what time profit opportunity spawns in perimiter ???

[verbal lynx]

shoutout to the lads I just saw in perimeter solos lol

[rough obsidian]

This is also true. Reduce stock in Arachne armory and reduce drop rate in game.

[queen falcon]

Pretty sure they spawn at the start of the run. I think only the big map events spawn later in the run like Lockdown on Dire or the Wardens. Not positive though.

[coarse rock]

Giving Vandal and Recon some more oomph to match their counterparts.

Uh excuse me? Recon yes, but no one was saying Vandal was weak wtf? Vandal is one of the best shells I am genuinely flabbergasted

If they buff Vandal just get ready for literally every single player in the game running Vandal I'm calling this

[turbid plover]

I loaded in the wrong map with the wrong key 🤦‍♂️

Time to afk for 25 mins

[turbid plover]

Who said Vandal is strong. She's kinda shit

[coarse rock]

I guess my opinion might be skewed from solos, but I don't recall seeing anyone in here or on reddit saying Vandal was bad either.

here and there sure but nothing like the level of people saying Recon is bad

[turbid plover]

Destroyer just does movement things better, her slide is crippling, really arm cannon and her double jump are the only things going for her

[signal bough]

yeah after recon vandal was next up

and they're doing the fun thing of buffing the underperformers

like even setting aside that vandal isn't the best kit wise, she is not beating destroyer assassin thief or triage

[coarse rock]

Idk I don't feel like Vandal's slide is bad, and especially not with heat upgrades. And her arm cannon isn't just okay it's very powerful, it's a move that allows you to knock your opponent out of position completely.

[rough obsidian]

I had Vandal mastery in server slam and within 2 days of full launch. Vandal is outperformed in terms of movement by two other shells, in ability damage by at least two other shells, and her movement abilities are just as capable of crippling her as they are helping. She needs some tweaks.

[main quartz]

Vandal is even worst that recon, her ulti is just cardio kick and her slide is useless because you can’t shoot, if you want movement you pick destroyer, its like recon you need scouts go thief.. vandal is useless and nobody can’t change my mind idk what you people smoking ngl

[signal bough]

slide is kinda awful with how delayed your ready speed is after, though introducing vandal slide shotty into this game is not something we want to do

[coarse rock]

Shooting while sliding would be a good buff I think actually, I wouldn't mind that

[signal bough]

see you say this but this is untrue

i really need you to trust me when i say we do not need enhanced slide shotty

[rough obsidian]

Especially considering the knife nerfs lol

[signal bough]

idgaf about knife nerfs I just don't want Crucible 2

[main quartz]

Vandal is a movement shell and destroyer can run faster and also dash while shooting.. nice job bungie like wtf

[coarse rock]

Listen in Quake 4 you could shoot while sliding, in Titanfall you could shoot while sliding, I'm here for it

[rough obsidian]

"Yeah let's nerf knives but make enhanced slide WSTR a thing" it's over

[signal bough]

in destiny you can and it's considered one of the most horrific things in pvp history

[coarse rock]

according to social media this game is over no matter what so it doesnt matter

[signal bough]

odd conversation adjustment

[coarse rock]

That remark was in direct response to RatherWormToast saying it's over, that's all don't read into it too much

[rough obsidian]

Slide shotty is hell on earth

[mild mountain]

maybe not better but differently and they have drastically different intended play styles imo.

obvs destroyer is all about getting picks and being aggressive. closing space/creating space for your teammates.

vandal is all about repositioning and finding off angles. moreso being a pest than a finisher.

[rough obsidian]

Me saying it's over was in reference to the meme of "it's so over" I was not saying the game is actually over

[mild mountain]

all of destroyers limited movement is entirely on a horizontal plane while Vandal can take unexpected angles from height.

[coarse rock]

I know, in modern gaming any buff to movement or doing things while moving is abuse and terrible and an exploit (not talking about the movement exploits this game had that was not good)

This is why we don't have games with cool movement techniques and gameplay like Quake and UT anymore

[mild mountain]

not saying that she’s in a fine place because I just don’t see many vandals but I think also that her kit isn’t nearly as weak as some people think.

[signal bough]

in theory I subscribe to this vandal just needs more juice to be worthwhile picking for this purpose over like, thief

[coarse rock]

Like I said my opinion is from solo pretty much completely, it's probably different in trios, which isn't a version of the game I enjoy

[mild mountain]

yeah exactly.

[signal bough]

she's not bottom one but compared to the rest of the cast she's bottom two. It's not by a huge amount but I'm glad they're buffing her now and early instead of nerfing destroyer or thief

[mild mountain]

yeah, always prefer bringing things up to the good stuff instead of bringing the good stuff down to the bad stuff.

[coarse rock]

I never argued for nerfing good stuff, just that I didn't think Vandal needed buffs

[mild mountain]

uh huh I know

[signal bough]

theyre getting ahead of the cycle

[turbid plover]

Holy shit anomaly spawns in solos once again

[signal bough]

if they don't buff her now, they buff recon to a good state and then it's "well now vandal is the worst. thanks Bungie."

if they can get vandal and recon into viable picks, I think it's hard to pick out any other shell that would specifically need a kit buff at this point in time

take a little off the top, I wouldn't mind, but they can set the floor real early with this if these buffs are good

[forest narwhal]

they need to buff triages cosmetics

[main quartz]

Every other shell is op while these 2 are weak af they don’t need to nerf anyone if these are getting a good buff

[coarse rock]

I don't play Assassin much, but I personally feel like Assassin is the worst. I only use him when I just need to grab stuff for a contract and get out.

[mild mountain]

I’ll also say that flat buffing some of these shells is tricky given that all of them are really really strong with their respective purple/yellow cores.

[steep anchor]

crossplay wouldn't make things more laggy, right?

[signal bough]

See I'm ok with assassin being "the weakest" after these buffs because he will ALWAYS have the solo/invis niche

[forest narwhal]

games server based so no

[coarse rock]

Oh yeah I agree, and if they buffed him people would flip out because some people hate invisibility so much already

[signal bough]

it's not like recon's screwed up kit or vandal's being crept by other runners, assassin has his own niche that isn't wholly on competition with other shells

then you have triage as the support shell, destroyer as the aggressive rush down shell, and thief as the whatever thief does shell, and you're kinda set

[forest narwhal]

assasin will be the weakest if they nerf the knife too much

[mild mountain]

I think assassin already is the weakest in trios honestly. would prefer a vandal or a recon over him.

[signal bough]

yeah that's fine

[coarse rock]

I didn't play for 1 day and now I feel like the game feels really weird

[inner narwhal]

i love using recon but i feel like they're missing something

[sterile jewel]

Loot goblin with multiple loot goblin esk abilitied

[sterile jewel]

No because thats not been his main thing

Maybe for rat assassins but not the class as a whole

[sterile jewel]

Another ability. She has a crab that i feel should be like theifs. Controllable or auto. And another active ability that maybe helps with locating teams

[inner narwhal]

Yea. Honestly I’m fine with the tick bomb, its detection is kinda meh but its fine

But def a more present active would be cool

[queen falcon]

Saw a video earlier that talked about them removing the slide canceling and specifically it was comparing the Apex who leaned into the movement techs, but he said something that was interesting. Said that Marathon seems to be raising the skill floor where as Apex was lowering the skill ceiling....and it seems like they are continuing that with the buffing of Recon and Vandal over nerfing the other shells down. I'm here for it. I'm totally up for raising the floor up rather than lowering the ceiling down.

[signal bough]

to clarify I'm not saying skill floor I'm saying kit power floor

[misty sigil]

#1489038461540499727 message

[signal bough]

hey, i've seen this one!

[coarse rock]

Just found a neural insulation in a random chest outside in North Relay, sometimes loot is so random

wasn't even by the main building either, was off to the side toward the south exfil

[lime helm]

hey can you get stats over 100 and once its past 100 does it effect anything

like if i have 150 melee is it doing 100 melee bcs thats where the bar ends or am i getting 150 melee dmg

[queen falcon]

No.

So, someone used the dcon right as I got there...when I went to put my contract items in...there was a stack of 250 credits....does the dcon pay you for putting stuff in and I've just been leaving money in there?!

[random gale]

Nah I do agree with not grinding faction rep again if they plan to keep the xp pace the same, but it should still wipe your upgrades imo. Make you grab all the material again

[turbid plover]

nah someone had a dcon contract and put credits in it before you for some reason
a lot of people are misinformed on what dcon actually does, still

[glad ether]

Is there anything in game/in the codex that explains in detail what keywords mean? Like things that get highlighted in blue. Hack, EMP, Overheat, etc

[turbid plover]

it does nothing, except used for contracts

[turbid plover]

nope, we just trial and error it to find out

[latent minnow]

hi there everyone how are we

[queen falcon]

Alright, yeah just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving money out there. 😂

[glad ether]

damn. i really don't like that.

[queen falcon]

You know....I don't know....codex maybe? Let me check...

[turbid plover]

you can hover over your hardware and software stats in loadout or inventory, that's as far as it goes

[rough obsidian]

I've said it before but assassin sorta exists outside the meta. You can balance other shells but "you cannot see me" will always have value, so unless it's tweaked or changed, he's always gonna just do what he does best, as annoying as "what he does best" is

[glad ether]

That's so weird that so much stuff interacts with status effects but absolutely nothing tells you what those status effects DO?

[glad ether]

I thought like, several shells can just see him while invis. Like Thief visor, Destroyer ult, Recon, maybe something else

[plucky hound]

how many teams spawn in duo outpost

[queen falcon]

That's why I like the smart heal....lol. Though, EMP and Hack are only given from either the lasers or players. EMP keeps you from using your abilities and Hack also screws up your vision....I'm pretty sure....someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong.

[hallow stream]

Ig they thought its more balanced that way. It also allows ppl to focus more on the priority contracts with tons of lore that the devs want u pick up on, since new priority contracts gets introduced each season.

[turbid plover]

To give a brief rundown
Hardware and Software reduce the duration of related effects.
Both have a lingering sub effect, for Hardware it's reduced heal item use and rate of healing, for Software it's paused ability regeneration.
All related effects are immedietely removed upon consuming their respective cleansing consumable (Mechanic's Kit and OS Debug).

Overheat fully fills your heat bar and deals a minor amount of damage over time.
Toxin bypasses your shields and deals damage over time to your health.
Immobilize prevents you from performing advanced movement (anything but walking and crouching)
Frost slows you.

EMP prevents you from using abilities.
Hack reduces your vision, like tripping on a laser wire.

[glad ether]

yeah smart heal is a nice feature but it doesn't feel like Bungie has status effects as some minor system that doesn't really matter. There's like a LOT of stuff that interacts with statuses and there's quite a few of them

[queen falcon]

I just know I've VERY rarely said to myself, "damn, wish I had an OS Debug on me right now", but PLENTY of times I've said, "Fuck! I didn't bring a mechanics kit..."

[random gale]

where the fuck is frost

[queen falcon]

Cryo Archive.... 😂

[misty sigil]

#1489038461540499727 message

[turbid plover]

Just Cryo, nowhere else so far

[queen falcon]

Seriously....stop spamming it. No one here agrees with you.

[turbid plover]

I wonder if this counts as self promotion

[misty sigil]

10 upvotes and only 1 person downvoting lol

[turbid plover]

Most of the time if people don't agree with a feedback post they don't interact with it

[queen falcon]

Woopdy doo.....you can still not spam it. Also...I said no one HERE....

[misty sigil]

No, i am sharing a post I made as feedback to get the communities input on it. Its standard procedure in discords where devs promote suggestions.

[turbid plover]

Also mass opinion is not always the correct one. They aren't developers or investors

[misty sigil]

How about you dont spam me and shuddup?

[queen falcon]

How about....no?

[misty sigil]

I sent it 3 times over 2 hours. Not at all spamming.

[queen falcon]

You're not my real dad.

[queen falcon]

You don't get to tell me what do.

Where's a good place to find SekGen valuables?

[misty sigil]

#1489038461540499727 message

[turbid plover]

Ok you posted it, you don't need to remind people about it. I made two feedback threads so far, and one of them got 0 traction. It's not for people to see, it's for devs anyway.
Besides, instead of making a new thread, you should've looked up if any other similar threads already exist. I'm sure you're aware that people being for or against wipes and general wipe discussion is a popular feedback topic. Feedback rules specificaly encourage to not post new threads if same or similar ones already exist.

And for the record my other feedback thread was just a collection of threads because people kept posting about same thing daily. I should probably make one for wipe discussions as well.

[misty sigil]

Tldr

[queen falcon]

Twice in less than 10min....

[queen falcon]

Problem with kids these days.

[turbid plover]

Bro really spams his thread with like 20 lines of text but asks for a tldr on a 4 sentence paragraph. 👍

I'm not here to fight but bro is just asking for attention, so I will just ignore it.

[queen falcon]

Yeah, I was just enjoying the constantly pinging him with replies. 😂

Hey! Tell me where to find SekGen valuables! I need to find 8 of them dagnabit.

[graceful current]

why are they talking only about nerfs in the next patch

[random gale]

brother did you read the fact that vandal and recon are getting buffs

[turbid plover]

Compiler traces are sekgen valuables 😎

[graceful current]

knife and bouble?

[glad ether]

why is Dire Marsh so much harder than the other maps lol

[queen falcon]

Ah yes....let's go to Cryo. We got this.

[glad ether]

I feel like if they just fixed the drone AI for recon, it'd be a big buff

Vandal I'm kinda glad to hear is getting buffed just bc she's a lot of fun

[queen falcon]

I think I'm just going to reroll this contract....

[turbid plover]

I think easiest sekgen valuable to get is archival psa's from outpost, I find them kinda frequently from blue and purple shield bots
But if you're looking for them speficially for faction xp or a contracts I'm sure there are better ways to go about it

[misty sigil]

#1489038461540499727 message

[dusty mountain]

BALANCE SHAKE UP! We're looking to make some changes in the next couple of patches to adjust some of the outliers in the combat space that we've both seen in our observations and heard from your feedback across all of the various (and plentiful) channels we watch. Some of these changes will be likely coming in the next patch, the next set will likely be arriving a week after. Here's some of the areas we're focusing on adjusting:

• Bubble shields being too easy to get, too powerful to use.
• The Knife scaling too easily to god like power levels.
• Thermal scopes being too present and dominant
• Snipers being too strong in all scenarios.
• Giving Vandal and Recon some more oomph to match their counterparts.

ALSO we're adding some stuff that can help add texture to the outcomes of fights:

• SECRET: A new item to give solos a more common option when downed.
• SECRET: A new item to give a more merciful option between crews.

There'll be a lot more goodies in the coming patches and more details as the patch notes go live.

Thank you all again for keeping the feedback flowing. We've still got a big list of things we're looking into that extends beyond this that will take us more time to figure out and we'll update you as we continue to build on our evolving plans. What y’all think about these secret items or what they could be?

[random gale]

honestly fair, bubbles are too easily accessible imo

[turbid plover]

I'm sure you don't need sekgen valuables. It's like, anything with a moneybag, no?

[queen falcon]

Oh yeah ...true....so just valuables....hmm

[graceful current]

anyway ..as long as i could keep playing ...everything is fine ..M kicks A**

[random gale]

ALSO we're adding some stuff that can help add texture to the outcomes of fights:

SECRET: A new item to give solos a more common option when downed.
SECRET: A new item to give a more merciful option between crews.
What do we think THIS means though?
For the crew one, I feel like it's reviving outside crew members. But what is the "common option" for solos when downed? We already got self res but they're borderline useless

[queen falcon]

I'm wondering what that common option would be....if they're wanting to keep it as solo only it can't be an item you bring in....

[random gale]

I'm impartial to knives getting nerfed. I just don't want them to go too heavy handed and make them actually useless, especially against UESC which is one of the major ways of not getting snuck up on by people

[queen falcon]

Self res is funny if you trade with someone and you just pop back up though ....haha

[random gale]

yeah but they specifically mention item rather than feature or mechanic...

[turbid plover]

Maybe a depleted self revive? That takes longer to use and one you can't exfil? Idk

[random gale]

so how would it benefit solos when downed but not be too strong in crew

[queen falcon]

Ooo yeah....that would make sense....only spawns in solo mode.

Or a depleted one spawns in your backpack only when solo queueing?

[turbid plover]

Maybe 🤷‍♂️

[queen falcon]

Be interesting to see....

[turbid plover]

Like in Hunt Showdown there's a trait called Necromancer. In squads it lets you revive a teammate from a distance, up to 25 meters. In solos you can just self revive yourself once, something like that maybe

[brave sinew]

Why does the Scar have more range than the Repeater, even though the Repeater is a precision rifle

[sudden stratus]

holy

opening the locked door in pinwheel spawns so many dudes now what the fuck

[turbid plover]

Yeah it does lmao

[sudden stratus]

two ghost commanders is a lot man

[random gale]

i did the secured resource in drone and it spawned infinite adds
also the rewards were mid as fuck

[turbid plover]

Secured resource is always mid as fuck

[young pebble]

let it ride

[random gale]

I think the best thing I got out of it was a dermachem pack lmao

[young pebble]

the best item i got was a collectible

[random gale]

precision means it absolutley smacks with headshots, not that it can blast people from across the map

[sudden stratus]

I'm goin in with the dirt cheap deluxe nucal kit I got for like 5 neurochem packs (I have a surplus of neurochem packs)

[young pebble]

it takes 3 hs tho

[random gale]

for purple, yeah
does 96 per hs so 192 in 2 shots

[raw otter]

Seriously, did they finally realize that Recon is a bad class

[glad ether]

Question, is there any way to get specific salvage other than extracting with it?

[random gale]

for a non mips gun thats kind of hot

[glad ether]

atm I desperately need Unstable Diode's and I'm having trouble finding them, let alone extracting

[turbid plover]

If you hover over salvage it'll tell you where it spawns

[random gale]

it's all over perimeter relays and outpost

[wraith hamlet]

Love how Bungie is handling this game.

[glad ether]

ah ok ty

[random gale]

i logged onto the subreddit once and wanted to explode

[turbid plover]

Also if you open your map in game and click on a POI it also tells what salvage spawns there as loose loot

[random gale]

"They're doing their PR 'We hear you' step of Destiny all over again"
😭

[turbid plover]

This doesn't encompass container specific salvage though, as that can spawn anywhere that container can

[random gale]

The thing with destiny is they said we hear you and then didnt actually do anything

[glad ether]

at least this game feels baseline more fun than Destiny lol

[hallow stream]

Stop aura farming @random gale

[turbid plover]

And they're actually doing shit here. Wild

Destiny was just "we hear you, here's the complete opposite of what you asked for"

[random gale]

how else am i supposed to blind people in thermals without blooming out my aura

[turbid plover]

D2 patch notes were just ragebait every fucking time

[hallow stream]

Shits crazy

[random gale]

TWAB was actually a terrible decision

[turbid plover]

This week at Bungie: We hate you 😄

[random gale]

A regular update? sure, but putting that shit out once a week was basically communication self-torture

liek they HAD to come up with something to say about the update

[queen falcon]

Yay for server desync!

[turbid plover]

Hey Warframe does it and they're killing it

[random gale]

yeah but warframe also says gemussy in their update chat logs

[queen falcon]

And on that note....I'm making ramen....

[turbid plover]

😭

[random gale]

whenever de speaks it's either 50% info or 50% memes

[maiden carbon]

How in god's name do I fix team chat. I cannot toggle it

[random gale]

nah but actually it looks like whatever happened over at bungie caused the dev team to actually be able to do their jobs and respond to player feedback rather than wanting to make changes to player feedback and then being told to make meme emotes for eververse

[turbid plover]

I'm not in the loop with Destiny team, but Marathon team is actually doing things

[random gale]

is it not working at all? or do you mean toggle to talk? becuase that doesnt exist. You have push to talk, and tapandstartspeakingimmediatelyanddontstoporitwillgetcuto---

[maiden carbon]

Push to talk or open mic don't work and havnt for weeks. I feel like I can't play teams

[random gale]

hm

[split thunder]

that's definitely a you thing

[young pebble]

can an emp nade hit off a wall and go straight to you like a flechete nade?

[random gale]

is your mic set as default device and default communication device in windows settings?

[random gale]

they bounce a single time, leaving 2 AOEs of EMP

[young pebble]

bleh

[random gale]

whether or not they have tracking idk, i doubt it considering the aoe of the impact

[maiden carbon]

this is not helpful

[young pebble]

i was playing against michael jordan then

[random gale]

@maiden carbon

[split thunder]

I didn't know if maybe you thought other people had the same problem my b.

But what MidwestHill said is right you gotta make sure you have your mic set up. Good way to test is with the built in windows sound recorder (it's literally called Sound Recorder you'll see in your search) Assuming your'e on PC

[maiden carbon]

all of that works fine. It's the game. It allows for proximity chat but not team chat. This same exact bug persisted throughout the entire server slam

[sudden stratus]

I have not gotten to loot the room at all due to the new commander spawns as well as other players 3rd partying, I'm getting rinsed

[split thunder]

Sorry to hear that, only thing I'd say is just double check the settings in game maybe try a different input mode idk. good luck

[random gale]

Hm

Are your buttons bound to the same key? @maiden carbon

[worthy wolf]

How do u do the convoy on outpost and what does it give?

[rugged saffron]

Finished my last priority contract today 🥳

[rough obsidian]

Those are ability dependent and signal jammer counters all of them. I will preface this next part by mentioning my main experience against assassin's is solos so I'm mainly speaking about that. Regardless, "most people cannot see me at all, and others have to use abilities to see me" is always going to have a niche and is always going to have a gameplay style associated with it unless major tweaks are made. It doesn't matter which shells are better than others in combat when assassin's main gimmick (at least in solos) is to essentially avoid combat altogether until they can instantly kill you before you can fight back.

[turbid plover]

It makes several stops along the way. On each stop the convoy becomes exposed, you need to destroy 4 panels on each side to complete the event and then loot it

[rugged saffron]

#dev-updates I like what I see EXCEPT the possibility for knife adjustments. Leave our beautiful knives alone 🔪

[turbid plover]

It's one hell of a bullet sponge though

[rugged saffron]

Is it worth it?

[elder quartz]

holy fuck outpost is brutal today. dont think ive seen a single team with white shields at all today

[worthy wolf]

can u complete it with a free kit nucal?

[rough obsidian]

Probably not? Each panel is pretty tanky.

[rough obsidian]

Outpost is just Cryo 0.5 now

[worthy wolf]

Even with 400 energy bullets?

[rough obsidian]

Less an ammo issue, more a time issue. Took me 1.5 stops to kill it while using an Opportunist WSTR before they nerfed it

[turbid plover]

At that point you'll be lacking the dps because the gun overheats and you don't exactly have forever to do it

[worthy wolf]

does the armor on the convoy refresh when it goes to another stop

[dawn arrow]

Devs finally getting ready to make good changes??? (Its probably an April fools joke)

[sudden stratus]

as a solo with a free kit on outpost today I've run into several purple and gold shielded people, two people with goo guns, and overall a ton of kitted out people

[oak pond]

Really interested in how Recon and Vandal will be changed.

[sudden stratus]

I've not gotten to exfil a single time today I'm getting absolutely rinsed

[turbid plover]

not but like, unless you know what you're doing you're either not completing it or you're running out of resources before you can complete it
not to mention the UESC and the fact that it goes all through the map, you'll probably get lit up by other players

Like, you're on a free kit, go try it and draw your own conclusions

[oak pond]

I think it was always meant to be, it's just with this latest patch that the risk and reward got appropriately scaled.

[glad ether]

does anyone know how enemy scaling works? Like as a match progresses, do enemies stats change, like the same enemy will just have more hp/deal more damage? Or does it just spawn more threatening kinds of enemies

[turbid plover]

They don't change. Game time doesn't affect enemy spawns either. However after a POI is cleared, next wave of reinforcements will have stronger units so by virtue of both you and other players killing bots they do get stronger on average

[glad ether]

I thought enemies scale as the match goes on?

so if no one ever fully clears a POI then no reinforcements will show up?

[split thunder]

idk man but reinforcements definitely just show up after you kill some UESC as like a rule of thumb at least I've seen.

Like if you kill UESC and stay in that area long enough eventually reinforcements show up. Whether or not they're or some timer or what not idk

But I'm also dumb as hell so don't take anything I say at face value

[turbid plover]

Doesn't need to be fully cleared but when majority of bots are dead, reinforcements will eventually arrive but yes. If nobody kills, this remains true

[glad ether]

well, it sure SEEMS like they scale in some way. But my brother is a big D2 player and he said that Bungie has a habit of just making enemies have more hp as a way of scaling so it probably worked that way here

[turbid plover]

Not the case here, we literally have a gun that tells us how much health an enemy has. Stryder M1T's side display does that. Enemy health is fixed by its type

[glad ether]

yo i need that gun

[turbid plover]

You can also ping enemies to see their name. It's often formatted as Faction - Unit Type - Rank. Like UESC Ghost Commander, or UESC Grenadier. Regardless of time or map their stats remain the same

[glad ether]

enemies are just tough as fuck then

[turbid plover]

Just shoot the nogging

[hard zealot]

I don't know why I keep forgetting I have a shotgun.

[young pebble]

counting nonas to sleep mimimi

[ocean mauve]

OH MY GOD!!

WHO EVER QUED IN AS A 4 MAN IN DUO QUE…. ZADER YOUR TRASH 🤣

[young pebble]

Imagine teaming in duo

[spiral harbor]

HELP

If you're running a Bluetooth headset and separate microphone for in-game comms you're likely facing an issue which results in you being able to hear other players speaking. If this is you, please drop a post in this thread so Bungie prioritises the fix. ❤️

https://help.marathonthegame.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/47028995985684-ingame-voicechat-does-not-work-proximity-or-crew

[queen falcon]

Man. I've been getting shit servers on Perimeter tonight. 2 times now I've loaded in and got desync or connection errors to the servers. 😭

[ocean mauve]

No for real!!

[rough obsidian]

I feel bad for you brother.
And I'm saying that while covered in jet fuel and diesel on a night shift, that's how bad your situation is

[vernal ermine]

Final MIDA quest going to make my pop a blood vessel at this point lol

[spark sail]

is that the container scanning one

[vernal ermine]

Nah

you have to hack a bunch of PA devices and then get into Pinwheel

THEN get into the command wing and survive while the whole map attacks you for 3 mins straight.

[unborn osprey]

triage challenges are bugged or something?

[turbid plover]

Yeah should've done it before they changed pinwheel lmao, it's also my last priority contract

[vernal ermine]

I'm not even dying to bots

its always some assassin that's hiding in some dumb location with a WSTR

[lean crescent]

Matchmaking is truly ass at times. 🤣 Also why is it foggy on perimiter. assassin doesnt need the buff

[turbid plover]

It's not even about the bots, it's just that camping pinwheel for someone with 3 red keys is more lucrative than ever for rats now

[sudden stratus]

yeah today has been brutal

[ocean mauve]

What shell are you running?

[vernal ermine]

It doesn't matter, because you die before you can retaliate so what can I even do? I was on Triage so I don't go bankrupt buying meds for this.

[proud ridge]

If y'all could report jxirt1#5471 for greifing he used us to get into pinwheel and left us for dead with bots so he could rat out, classic thief with a 10k haul.

[glad mirage]

just like the trailer

[turbid plover]

Use the in-game report function. I'm not gonna report someone just because they were a bad experience for someone else, tf.

Also naming and shaming is just immature, don't act like a kid.

[peak knot]

I'm getting really low framerates on the Switch 1 edition, anything I can do to fix?

[patent sage]

Still don't know why people make an insanely big deal out of this, it's literally lore accurate 😭 thief abandoned destroyer and triage in the cinematic. If you 2 were dying to bots in pinwheel I doubt the 3rd guy would help much at that point

Move on and start a new round

[hard zealot]

I have started to abandon my team when they become a genuine liability.

Like it's nothing personal, but if you're going to run in and get yourself killed despite warnings, there is very little I can do to help you.

Especially when they just leave anyway and don't even give me the opportunity to revive them in the first place.

[turbid plover]

True, my life and bag isn't worth sacrificing for two randoms I don't know

[vernal ermine]

Random fill is literally like taking your gear and throwing it into a set of pipes, eventually the pipes will lead to a grinder, OR they'll get your gear and some extras back. You can't go into Random fill and expect the best of the best.

[dense pebble]

how is it griefing to bolt?

[patent sage]

Like I get that it is inconvenient and annoying but reporting them for that simple act of taking some loot and leaving? Making it sound like they were the one thing stopping you dying from bots? Just a big exaggeration

[turbid plover]

It ain't. Some people just feel bad about someone on their team living to keep their shit instead of dying with them

[dense pebble]

i don't go into random fill anymore because i ran into chuds like six games in a row but even in the good games i didn't go in there expecting someone to play to keep me alive, i went in there because solo in this game is miserable if you're bad at PVP

[proud ridge]

The theif activates every vault while shield spamming, leaving the bots to agro us. The thief came with blue shields and a pack full of charges dipped without shooting once

Idk man seems premeditated

[gentle crane]

it’s not miserable if you’re bad at PvP it’s miserable because like 90% of the players in Solo play in the most lame, weakass ultra-rat manner possible.

You almost never die in some wild, running gunfight against other solos. It’s always dead quiet Nature Hike Simulator™️ until you walk into a room and get WSTR’d by a guy who’s been cowering in a corner for half the match.

[turbid plover]

Alright bro you don't have to justify it to us, if you think it was griefing you report them. Not my match, not my problem

[dense pebble]

pre-meditated or not you came in here and said "y'all should report this person" without posting anything resembling proof or a recording of someone you don't like. avoid them in matchmaking and move on.

[turbid plover]

Even if they had full video proof and if they were cheating instead of just griefing I wouldn't report. Not my match, not my problem. We ain't witch hunting here

[gentle crane]

Solos isn’t PvP; Solos is high-stakes Hide & Seek.

[dense pebble]

I just know I lost 10 straight runs and nigh-emptied my vault trying to get ONE core storage locker on perimeter, the last one of which very nearly made me straight up uninstall the game because a vandal pushed me out of the exfil with a disruption cannon with one second to go and downed me

[rough obsidian]

Woah careful there, assassin mains in this discord will have you convinced he's the worst character while they invis+WSTR cornercamp a guy who has 10x their loadout value

[dense pebble]

had to remind myself i don't have a spare keyboard and i use my computer for work after that one

[rough obsidian]

We gotta just ban assassins from having WSTRs lowkey

[turbid plover]

I killed full killed a vandal that blasted some downed guy out of final exfil for karma 👍

[rough obsidian]

As soon as you select the shell it just blows up every WSTR in your vault and locks the armory purchase

[dense pebble]

thank you by proxy

[slate geyser]

whoever vandal blast me out of the outpost exfil when i was down i hope u get hemroids

[rough obsidian]

Unironically so true

[gentle crane]

exfil campers are the fuckin’ worst 🤣

[glad ether]

Is there any info anywhere about outpost

[rough obsidian]

No way, @turbid plover is this the guy you avenged?

[glad ether]

idk how to do like, literally anything. Idk how to get into pinwheel, or even the building itself. Idk what restricted exfils are or how to activate them. The whole map is just confusing af

[turbid plover]

Who knows 😭 was it final exfil near flight control few hours ago?

[slate geyser]

20-30mins ago

[turbid plover]

Nah def not me then

[slate geyser]

i was vandal

vandal on vandal crime

[rough obsidian]

Someone needs to make a marathon edit of that frame from fucking Blue Lock or whatever manga it was
"Have you ever played hide and seek with your life on the line?"

[dense pebble]

oh no this was like two days ago. i had to take a cooldown. at this point i'm stuck because i don't trust randoms anymore not to show up and be dickheads over the microphone, i don't enjoy getting got solo, and rook runs keep ending in tears same way.

[turbid plover]

As per usual, trial and error. Alternatively you can head to YouTube and look it up. There's some guy called Seraph or something that makes easy to digest no bullshit guides on Marathon that I use to fact check myself

[mild mountain]

my sorrow is immense. found the bully prestige mod on a rook run and died because I was greedy.

[turbid plover]

Brother, may I have some oats...

[dense pebble]

like my day job involves me getting chewed out regularly by the people i have to talk to for data, i'm not about to come home and COD lobby myself to try and relax.

[turbid plover]

I'm guilty of ratting with assassin myself but if someone conveniently brings stabilised anomaly to an exfil close to the keyroom I was waiting to open, I'm not gonna say no lol

I mean hey, I'm putting my key on the line I guess

[rough obsidian]

Lowkey the only time I hide and seek in solos is if I'm chilling in Pinwheel and someone breaches center.
If you come into MY Pinwheel without checking to make sure you're alone in here, you deserve it.

[turbid plover]

I also noticed that Outpost keyrooms don't have this deafening chime announcing that you're food to the whole lobby, idk why it's an exception

[rough obsidian]

I have also never queued Assassin. I have played Vandal and Destroyer exclusively.

[rough obsidian]

No, they do. I heard one just last night.

[turbid plover]

Not all of them then. Airfield, Dormitory and Processing rooms definitely don't

Or maybe it just doesn't play it in the immediate area but elsewhere? Dunno

[glad ether]

looked up a video and jesus christ there's like 9 steps lmao. How do they expect you to do that in one match xD

[turbid plover]

You get in the flow of it eventually, at that point the only real obstacle becomes hostile runners

[exotic wing]

Outpost isn't that complicated. You get keys, you use the keys on the things that need the keys, you press a couple buttons

[glad ether]

sure except I have no idea where those keys are lmao. or where they go. and there's nothing to tell me

[shrewd silo]

i need some easter egg helpers and people interested in free kit running for a secret i might have found i am just not sure if its just a quest item pls DM me

[lunar juniper]

do we have any idea how many duos in outpost? me n my boy have killed 3 duo before entering pinwheel everytiem and can never account for a 4th duo but i see ppl say 5 total

[elder quartz]

this shit getting too sweaty for me now lol

[rapid notch]

pretty sure its 5

[velvet igloo]

how

[spiral harbor]

HELP

If you're running a Bluetooth headset and separate microphone for in-game comms you're likely facing an issue which results in you being able to hear other players speaking. If this is you, please drop a post in this thread so Bungie prioritises the fix. ❤️

https://help.marathonthegame.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/47028995985684-ingame-voicechat-does-not-work-proximity-or-crew

[glad ether]

why is it that there's always one idiot without a mic

and they literally always are off on their own, dying and ruining the round for the other two players.

[queen falcon]

You can lookup interactive maps. There's plenty out there that will show the 4 locations for red keys and possible spawns for the yellow keys. Green keys are just scattered throughout the map, usually on counters, desks, or tables.

Restricted exfils start to spawn at around 14 or so min left in the run, guarded exfil spawns at 20min left in the run.

Restricted exfils have a terminal in the immediate vicinity that requires a red key to activate the exfil. Then just need to wait for it to fully come online. They aren't like crew exfils in the other maps that shoot a beam into the sky, so they're a fairly quiet way to exit.

Guarded exfils ARE the same.

As for Pinwheel....it has multiple ways to get in, basic is get 2 green keys, head to 1 of the 3 enclosed bridges and hit the terminal, kill bots that spawn, hack terminal near elevator, once it's done take elevator up. The other 2....best to watch a video.

But honestly....best bet...check out a video, use an interactive map to check spawns of key cards, go in with a sponsored kit and just run around the map. Die....do it again....keep doing it until you learn the pois, the routes between them, and at the least the red key card locations. If you find a yellow card box, take note of it and keep running around. Don't worry about pinwheel until you learn the outside.

[elder quartz]

the literal next game after i get my first gold shield and exfil with a cryo 5 key this fucking GAME man

[bold violet]

literally just look around yourself even it's not that hard lmao

[queen falcon]

It can be for some people. Learning a new map when most people already know it...especially in solo...can be a bit overwhelming.

[bold violet]

free kits exist, and honestly 90% of the key spawns seem to be untouched most of the time

[queen falcon]

Yeah...just because free kits exist doesn't mean it's not overwhelming...just means there's less risk.

[bold violet]

less risk? there's no risk

[plain jackal]

What is this chanel for?

[queen falcon]

I'm not going back and forth with you....you're right it's easy for you....good for you. We should all be so blessed.

[queen falcon]

Think general....but less spam, less people, and more open to discussion....most of the time....and a bit more helpful to people.....again, most of the time.

[plain jackal]

Ah

Why the name. "new noise"?

[bold violet]

i didn't say it's easy, i just said you literally just need to play the map. people expecting to know how to play a map before they even explore it themselves need to play a diff game

[queen falcon]

From what I was told....it's from early testing phases. Name just never changed.

[glad ether]

I've only ever seen 1 of the 3 keys lol. "look around yourself" uh I'm constantly surrounded by insanely tanky bots + have players trying to kill me so it's not like I can just sprint around nonstop

[bold violet]

and if they want, they can watch a guide

[bold violet]

not even trying to be rude, they're literally everywhere. keep note of where tons of bots spawn, it's pretty consistent

[shrewd silo]

what do u mean HOW?!?!

[glad ether]

Just doesn't seem very clear as to what I'm supposed to interact with. Unless I look it up.

high key the #1 problem this game has is its refusal to give players any information lol

[queen falcon]

Here, when you get the time...watch this video. It helped me out A TON when I first started dipping my toes into Outpost: https://youtu.be/Z4dvsqReSb4?si=HBzt1rdvbnKI-nwU

[bold violet]

so look it up

lots of the fun in this game is discovering mechanics, if you don't want that look it up

[queen falcon]

That's a normal thing for the more hardcore extraction shooters. They don't hold your hand by any means at all. It comes to learning from other people or trial and error.

[bold violet]

true but this is honestly more of like a light destiny raid puzzle type situation, if destiny raids were explained by the game they'd be so lame

the games core features r pretty well explained unlike something like extracts in tarkov

[queen falcon]

@glad ether One thing to keep in mind, that video came out last week. So some of the information is a bit inaccurate now with the latest patch. Like destroyed wing can now be opened up and things like that.

[glad ether]

so for puzzles and map mechanics like keycards, I agree that's cool and fine to figure out. I just wish interactibles were easier to identify bc if I'm not on Thief I just walk by so much shit without knowing I can even interact with it lol. But for stuff like what debuffs and effects do? Nah there's nothing good about not having that information, bc there's no way to test it enough to get precise info. When a piece of gear says you deal "more damage" or does something by a "moderate amount" wtf does that mean??

That's info that players should absolutely have, it's not adding anything to not have that information.

[queen falcon]

Well, Tarkov takes no handholding to a level no other game will touch. Let's have 200 guns with 100 different attachments/mods/builds for each one and have 30 different caliber of bullets all with 50 different types of each caliber. While we're at it we'll add 150 different types of armor and a full ballistics system with armor pen and armor dmg, oh and let's have over pen be a thing, with bullet travel time and bullet arcs, all of which you have to memorize and no we're not telling you a single thing about any of it.

[queen falcon]

I agree to a point. I, personally, find enjoyment in learning it all and looking up the info in my spare time. To me it adds depth to the game that most people will just glaze right over. Having the drive to seek that info will make you a better player. You start to learn the deeper intricacies of things like the Mechanics Kit or the OS Debug or the Anti-Virus and Cardio Kick. When other players will use them more reactively, but when you've learned more about these things you learn you can use them more proactively. Like keeping a signal jammer up when you're trying to run around Dire Marsh to counter the thermal snipers and the turrets. Or knowing you want to loot a crate near a poison flower, popping the mechanics kit first so you already have the buff so the toxin doesn't tick and you don't get the debuff at all.

[rough obsidian]

One of them does and it's loud enough to be heard from the roof of Orientation, and it isn't the Flight Control or Orientation locked rooms, but is in the direction of Flight Control. We heard it open but never found it.

[glad ether]

this is why I never got tarkov. I didn't feel like taking a college course just to play a shooter.

[glad ether]

sure but also like... okay you can figure out that EMP stops people from using their abilities. But how long does it last? That's SUPER important information to know if you're considering pushing, but how are you going to find that out? Hope that someone stands in front of you until the effect wears off, and you're timing it, and there's a visual indicator of when it goes away? Like that's just unreasonable

[queen falcon]

I don't blame you....and it's only gotten worse from what I hear. Now it's like you've BARELY scratched the surface of that game at like 1500hrs in. 😂

[heavy shell]

and half of it makes no sense, and is in no way realistic so you cant even reason your way through about half of it. like pen and ammo

[glad ether]

I like discovery but certain things and levels of precision just kinda... can't be figured out by playing? And that info I don't like not having access to

[queen falcon]

Honestly, I would take note if I got hit with it. In the lower right corner of the screen it shows your buff and debuff timers. So if I get hit with an EMP, I'd look down and take note of the timer. But if I'm in a fight and I toss an EMP....depends it could make an opening for a push or make them back off to clear it.

A lot of that comes with just experience. The more fights you get into, the more you learn.

[naive hemlock]

tauceti.gg is your friend

[soft sundial]

How many teams are in outpost duos?

[spark raptor]

12

[soft sundial]

12 teams?

[dim wyvern]

i think it's yours + 4, at least that's how many i've been dealing with tonight

[low zinc]

def around +4 teams

anyone else feel like they lowered team count on marsh?

[idle valley]

neck/throat 🥀 💔

[rugged saffron]

They're gonna nerf our beautiful knives because people are whiny and can't handle getting stabbed, aren't they?

People really get caught in a bad spot and rushed by 3 people and die to knives once and go "it's op, pls nerf :("

"It's all just knives"
No, it's not. Your positioning just sucks.

They're going to take away our knives brother 😢

"Why is MELEE STRONG" MFs have never played any other bungie shooter ever, have they?

Halo, Destiny. . .

2 tap melee is the standard

[neon gyro]

Two - three tap melee is fine. I think the range is a tad too big

[rugged saffron]

Halo and Destiny also had big lunges on their melee

It's a gamefeel that I like

[quartz oasis]

i am sure they will figure out something while not compromising the knife to uselessness

[rugged saffron]

Aye. In actual gameplay outcomes though IDK what else it could possibly be

4 taps to kill and you'd never get anything done with a knife.

Every other shooter has 2 to 1 hits with melee to kill because you have to close the distance.

Ah well. I'll love Marathon in any case, however it falls.

Glad I got to play it in its launch-state glory.

[cobalt karma]

nothing worse in this game than a bunch of zero skill free kitters camping a room with knives to knife down purple shields who walk through

you shoul dneed to find a melee item that makes melees strong

[rugged saffron]

Like. . . the Arachne upgrades. . . and the melee damage implants.

[plush canyon]

Is there a shooting range hidden in these menus?

[rugged saffron]

The purple shields should not have ran into a room all at once without checking angles LMFAO

[rugged saffron]

Nope! If you want a quick and low risk way to test graphics settings, there's rook or a free kit solos match. But that's it.

[neon gyro]

I dont want knives nuked, thats for sure. They just need the lightest of touches to balance them. I have had too many encounters where I was kitting some guy who ran around a corner with a knife and seemingly dumped half a mag into them and they beat me with a knife "snipe".

[rugged saffron]

And the purple shields still buy you an extra hit from a knife before you go down.

The free kitters don't have the implants to do anything more.

[livid wagon]

EVERYONE BITCHES SO MUCH!

[rugged saffron]

I'M GOING TO MARRY MY KNIFE AND YOU CAN'T TAKE HER FROM ME

[neon gyro]

conversation about balance = "EVERYONE BITCHES" 🙄

[cyan abyss]

Their ain’t no other game quite like this, so they complain cus they got nothing else to turn too.❤️

[neon gyro]

bring back assassinations from Reach!

[slender solar]

lockdowns spawn at before exfils now??

[rugged saffron]

I mean I kind of feel mike on this.

People mad about the game instead of adapting to it.

I sort of get the complaints about the bubble shield meta on Cryo Archive. That's very "this is weird and everyone's doing it and maybe it's also obnoxious" in a way that's in your face.

Knives are not a thing that everyone's doing in my matches, not even on Outpost.

[rugged saffron]

I love Assassinations but I'd be so sad if I got locked into an animation and had to watch someone kill me from full health just because they got behind me.

The loot loss would make it hurt so much more

[neon gyro]

I aint even mad, I'll play either way because I still use knives and will get the benefit of them not being touched. i just think its a little lame being on the other end when you anticipate the knife guy and try to kite them and still lose.

[quartz oasis]

honestly, I try to use my knife more in PVE. I’d rather save my ammo for runners

[misty sigil]

https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1489038461540499727

So far majority doesnt want wipes every 3 months and would prefer prestige system!

[rugged saffron]

The majority of people who are grumpy enough about the game to go complain in #1478943087957905550

The tough thing about game feedback is people who like it as it is are probably playing instead of leaving feeback

One thing I am excited about is the "more merciful option between crews" thing

No idea what it would be. I've definitely wished I could revive enemies before.

But whatever it is I'm excited.

[random gale]

Chat they might just make it so its still 2 hit but not at like 30 melee

[quaint topaz]

just checked the dev note for the future updates i like it

[random gale]

I prefer wipes but I wouldn't mind those with a low cumulative loot value to be given the option to skip it. Like im talking low like they only played a week's worth that season low

[misty sigil]

People arent going to play a game they dont have time to accomplish their goals in

[patent sage]

Me when I lie

[patent sage]

But they'd barely lose anything anyway, besides there will probably be some giant flashing announcement counting down to each reset

[jaunty gust]

Majority is 25 ppl?

[misty sigil]

25 upvotes 5 downvotes, yes. 25/30 so 5 out of 6 who reacted upvote. Feel free to change that

[jaunty gust]

Have u ever played a extraction shooter other than arc raiders before?

[random gale]

Counterpoint, once those kinds of people achieve those arbitrary goals they will also stop playing. Play games for enjoyment, not to be something else to check off. We're seeing it with Arc Raiders right now, people got everything they wanted and now the playerbase is collapsing. Flashpoint just released and theres not even a notable jump in player count

[jaunty gust]

There's thousands of players so no that's not majority that's just a few ppl that looked at ur thread

The point of wipes is to keep things fresh for new players that come to play later on.

And it gets pre boring when u have everything

[misty sigil]

So why wouldnt you want people wiping sooner than 3 months???????????? I had maxxed friends saying the game was getting boring week 2.

[patent sage]

Dude how do you not understand, they probably put in 150h in 2 weeks, ofc you will get bored

[misty sigil]

So make prestiges optional at a level and forced at another

Its those people camping rooftops with thermal snipers and shotguns on algae in diremarsh ruining any runs for salvage preventing player progression.

150 hrs in 2 weeks is 12 hrs a day for 12 days out of 14.

Hows is a player who has 12 hrs of free time in 2 weeks supposed to progress and achieve their goals.

[jaunty gust]

Ur friends need to touch grass

[misty sigil]

No, he needs to be offered to prestige at a certain level then be forced at a higher level so he cant just use faction upgrades to decimate less powerful players for 2 more months

So many people are scared of losing their upgrades that make them feel like they are better at pvp than others when the truth is they just had more time available to progress.

[quartz oasis]

gear is temporary

[misty sigil]

Nobody cares about gear

[jaunty gust]

If he's maxed after two weeks he prolly doesn't have a job and if u havent played any other extraction shooter other than arc raiders no wonder u think like this lol. Games more "hardcore" than arc

[quartz oasis]

only progress and death matter
it is not my gear. Just my turn with it. This is a cycle.

[jaunty gust]

U clearly do u want optional prestiges

[misty sigil]

I havent played arc

[jaunty gust]

Have u played ANY extraction shooter other than this

[misty sigil]

Not because of gear

[jaunty gust]

Avoids the question. G fricken G

[misty sigil]

I was on cooldown you buffoon

[jaunty gust]

Part of any extraction shooter is wipes get over it

[misty sigil]

No, its not

[jaunty gust]

It actually is...

[warped sonnet]

Wipes mean you don’t need to worry bout gear fear lads.

Use the cool shi now

[misty sigil]

No, its not. Look up definition of extraction shooter.

[rugged saffron]

Withoug wipes what am I supposed to be on a grind race for?

[misty sigil]

Prestiging

[jaunty gust]

The only extraction looter shooter that doesn't wipe is arc

[rugged saffron]

With your proposed forced prestige system, why would I grind for gameplay advantages that will be taken away faster the faster I acquire them?

[misty sigil]

Maxxing everything out and then doing it again for clout and titles

[jaunty gust]

This isn't call of duty

[misty sigil]

Because you enjoy the game???? Or do you only enjoy an unfair advantage?????

[rugged saffron]

I'mma be real with you I'm grinding to be able to stab people better with funny knives, not for titles

[rugged saffron]

"Wipe happens, we're at zero, we race to see who can get ahead of the others first" is extraction shooter.

[misty sigil]

Sounds about right and thats why you hate the idea of more frequent wipes for people who play excessively.

You just want gameplay buffs for easy kills on noobs that will end up refunding lmao

[jaunty gust]

You must die a lot

[rugged saffron]

I've already spent a decade grinding games like Halo and Fortnite and League. All games that start you on even footing every single match.

This game is different and it's supposed to be.

[willow plover]

100% people complaining about wipes would also 100% complain about gold shields being unkillable on the starter map

[rugged saffron]

Yeahhhhh

[willow plover]

Wipe day is the best day. It’s a new season but we all also start at the same level 🙂 it’s fun!

[rugged saffron]

I mean I'm already not liking how people having completed their priority contracts means they just camp POIs all match.

They have nothing they need to do and nowhere they need to go. Insufferable match flow at times.

It's part of the game and I'll adapt, but the gameplay pace that happens after a wipe is necessary for the game to not be tiresome.

[willow plover]

The arachne fam meeting in on wipe day 😉

[rugged saffron]

Today all I wanted to do was open a blue key at Greenhouse on Dire Marsh.

Every game it was a sniper standoff and we never got a window to use the fucking key.

One game I even successfully snuck back to my teammates to res them after we lost the sniper fight. They hadn't been looted yet.

We left, did other stuff, came back at the end of the match and those same people were just sitting at Greenhouse.

We exfilled successfully with the gear we brought but jesus man

[jaunty gust]

That's just how extraction shooters go

[rugged saffron]

It's insufferable but I like the game so I'll adapt.

[jaunty gust]

Gotta expect the unexpected

[rugged saffron]

The thing is it's 100% expected at this point

[jaunty gust]

Atleast u learn I'm starting to think that slim guy just cant

[rugged saffron]

"They will rub their butts on the ground at the same POI for 12 minutes straight for reasons unknown to me other than 'they are annoying'" is just what I expect now

[jaunty gust]

When I finish up all the grinding Ill push ppl I wouldn't just camp

[rugged saffron]

Lots of people are content to just rat forever.

Was guilty of it myself today on Outpost. Sat in Destroyed Wing waiting for them to come to hit the button to open Command Wing.

We won.

We waited for no more than 5 minutes though. Feels like some people will do it for 14 minutes without blinking

[jaunty gust]

You wouldn't like tarkov at all then haha

[rugged saffron]

I probably wouldn't LKADFKSAJFDSFJ

[jaunty gust]

Ngl it's worse even tho u have assassin's that go invis here

[queen bridge]

Concrete progression is too easy to bumrush & piecemeal progression like salvage upgrades is annoyingly random & inconsistent. It's led to a wonk situation that Tarkov questing doesn't have, if only because its quests are pure undiluted pain injections directly into your nuts

[eager vapor]

Player market for salvage and other stuff would be great but yea the current salvage system is very annoying

[queen bridge]

Bumrushing Tarkov quests still takes fucking ages, which means the turbosweats still have to drag it out with the rest of the playerbase for at least a month or so, instead of just becoming apex predators within 2 weeks

The issue of severe gear stratification & peak players having nothing to strive for that's hit Marathon takes deeper into a wipe to set in on Tarkov

[jaunty gust]

The thing is tho games been out for 10 years and the quests become overly easy to fly through. (I've prestiged and got kappa twice with a full time job in one wipe)

[eager vapor]

Wipes are good. I’m glad they’re actually forced

Otherwise what’s the point of playing an extraction shooter

[queen bridge]

Sure but it still takes longer to hit the point where gigachad seal clubbing is your only content, which is what I'm saying.

Marathon needs to make the endgame grind denser.

[jaunty gust]

Longer to progress in that game yea

I'm sure theyre gonna add more content with the next wipe

[queen bridge]

"full purp squads are sealclubbing recreationally on Perimeter, not even for loot, for lack of anywhere else to do anything" is an unacceptable state of affairs less than halfway into a season

I do think that about 90% of the bitching & moaning on the subreddit is overwrought whining, but this is a legit problem

Purped-out squads NEED somewhere else to test themselves & Perimeter Easy Mode needs to last until like level 10, like that one map in Tarkov

[jaunty gust]

I'm ngl highest geared person I see usually is just blue on perimeter

[eager vapor]

I ran into a team w 2 gold shields last night on perimeter before I went to bed. Only time I’ve ever seen it though and they were terrible

[jaunty gust]

Prolly just felt like playing a diff map and I'm sure those guys will go to cryo when it opens up again

[eager vapor]

Yea or had a purple key idk

[queen bridge]

I think my second point here is more important

The TimmyZone is vital to games like this

[jaunty gust]

Timmy zone alr exists just not for long if u progress fast in the easy mode. Gotta learn how to adapt

[queen bridge]

Yeah I saying it should last 10 levels

There ought to be a safety cushion for actually internalizing routes & PvE & stuff where there's zero potential to get ass-blasted by even a mid-tier geared player.

[jaunty gust]

People would still complain at that point

They get used to easy mode longer

[queen bridge]

It's not actually an easy mode

[jaunty gust]

That's like saying there should be a pve mode for this game pre much BC there's nobody in those lobbies

[queen bridge]

It's just a level limit to make sure that sealclubbers can't get access to actual brand new Timmies

[queen bridge]

It would be opt in oc course

But there's a reason why Tarkov has it, too.

[jaunty gust]

Pve modes for extraction shooters is low-key killing the genre

[queen bridge]

I agree, I'm talking about my extended Timmyzone

Casuals & newbies need space to invest before getting their shit kicked in

[latent vessel]

no friendly rooks on outpost

[queen bridge]

Don't make it easier but don't make them quit for lack of understanding that they're outmatched either

[eager vapor]

I don’t think this game will maintain super casual people. If youre shit at games you are not going to like marathon

[queen bridge]

I agree, that's not an excuse to make the first 20 hours actively unwelcoming if someone joins mid-wipe

There's a lot of nuance here & onboarding is huge to deeper investment

[eager vapor]

I do feel like there should be a slight match making for that, but I thought there already was.

Level 10s shouldn’t be in a lobby w level 100s

[queen bridge]

It only lasts like 5 games & im saying to make it last indefinitely until they hit season lvl 10

[rain quest]

id say put thermals and snipers into different lobby :D

[queen bridge]

Being able to join at any point in a wipe & know that you're guaranteed to not get wafflestomped is just common sense onboarding

Keeps the game viciously hard but allows anyone to learn at any time

[queen bridge]

I hope they dumpster thermals in the mid-season patch ngl

[eager vapor]

A good player will shit on a noob w just a knife

[jaunty gust]

Honestly snipers only get used on certain maps

[queen bridge]

They're just not a fun part of the sandbox

[eager vapor]

Playing dire without a thermal is aids

[queen bridge]

Snipers, the Longshot in particular, are super linear, point-&-click hitscan, & their damage threshold values are so favorable against most players (white & green shields) that having one is a huge boon without thermals & a free kill with them

Making them have drop & travel time would do a lot, to start. It would also give them another variable to balance around, which would be good bc the snipers feel really homogenous.

They're so insanely linear, literally just pinpoint accurate laser beam damage if you're not moving

Hell, even just travel time without drop would make the crazy pick-off ambushes you see on Dire less of an issue

Halo-style sniping in a game where your life matters this much just isn't fun to worry about

[rain quest]

thats fine but atleast the noob have higher chance

otherwise they just get beamed by thermal not knowing when and where

[nimble jolt]

For cryo archive, I've seen people mention AI subroutines, but I don't know how they actually work? Do you pick one up at the end of a vault, and they go to your vault and you bring them for the boss run? Or are they only active in map, so you gotta run through the vaults in a single run and then do the boss?

[queen bridge]

They're a codex item that you keep after claiming

You have to have all 6 registered to your codex to attempt Vault 7 & the Compiler

Oh wait no that last part is wrong

[velvet flower]

I thought you had to exfil with it and your whole team got the codex?

[queen bridge]

Deleted I was mistaken

[velvet flower]

I could be wrong though I haven't done one

[queen bridge]

It's how Luggage said yeah. It's not a 'real item' so it gets given to everyone on exfil & doesn't take up vault space. It goes into your Codex.

[nimble jolt]

I see. So technically you can keep doing the compiler provided you have the other items?

Also does it work if for example I have 1-3, my teammate has 4-5, and the other teammate has 6 for example? Or does at least one player need all of them?

[queen bridge]

I think one player needs all

[nimble jolt]

Thanks!

[visual island]

Cheaters got so bad that people made their own pve mode and Nikita got angry that people were playing the game for free, so they added it.

(And the mod is still better because for some stupid reason the “offline” mode needs to be played on a bsg server)

[willow plover]

yeah but pre exisiting teams mix it up, im currently playing with my clan and theyre all level 15 and im level 80. tis an experience

[eager vapor]

They should be in ur level games then, otherwise it’s pointless

[willow plover]

but theyre only new?

this is how a lot of us are playin rn

[eager vapor]

With 2 people who aren’t and can explain stuff

[willow plover]

no im level 80, theyre level 15

theres two of them that just started the game and to play with me they have to endure levl 100 lobbies

they dont even know what a patch kit is yet xD

just tryna say theres pros and cons to level based anything

im a physcial hinderance to my clan becuase i played more

[eager vapor]

Lvl 15 is quite a bit of runs they should know the basics by then, and if running w a squad that’s higher level that would have to be up to them if it’s worth it

It’s like running ranked in other games with lower ranked teammates

[willow plover]

yeah but thats a lot to decided on day one when you dont know the game at all

[queen bridge]

I meant the Timmyzone not PvE

[willow plover]

sure WE know that but how are they supposed too

i basically have to plan out our playtime knowing im brinfing them more heat than they would have at this point

[queen bridge]

PvE offline is a bad idea in games like this I wouldn't have argued that

[willow plover]

and im not saying thats good or bad but it is what it is currently. it could improve

[visual island]

If you play on console can’t you make another profile to play with them on?

[eager vapor]

Idk there’s not really sbmm or level matchmaking afaik, just after your first few runs it throws you in bslls deep

[velvet plinth]

Sorta

[visual island]

I guess that doesnt work with steam anymore

[willow plover]

PC and bruh comeon xDDDD

[queen bridge]

What I meant, @visual island, is that the little Perimeter (Low Threat) version should stick around until season level 10, as an opt-in option for Timmies to not get stomped

[eager vapor]

You can on pc w steam family

[willow plover]

its just pure level range based thats it

[queen bridge]

I wasn't talking about PvE at all that was a conflation that I didn't intend

[willow plover]

which is fine for crewfill/ solo but in groups its wonky sometime

[visual island]

Yeah, I feel like 2 rounds is barely enough.

[willow plover]

begininer perimiter locks at level 3 and people like me being level 80 cant run with those poeple

which is fair i get that

[queen bridge]

Yeah I think it should be an option until SL 10 with worse loot to compensate

[eager vapor]

I never did beginner perimeter but I started at launch / beta

[velvet plinth]

Is connection based matchmaking not something that is used anymore?(sorry if that’s a dumb question)

[willow plover]

i did but my buddy didnt he was baptised in fire

[queen bridge]

Genuine Timmies need a place to figure shit out mid-season without being at risk of getting shit-kicked by Cryo-boosted chads on sealclubbing expeditions

[willow plover]

sort of, dedicated servers mean itll likely always be good connections. CBMM only kicks in for far off regions i think

[eager vapor]

Free kit bum rush teams till you get good is what I did

[queen bridge]

And before you say this isn't a thing it was literally a thing all week after Cryo gave streamers stacks of Gold implants & shields & the Compiler weapon

[willow plover]

depends what this C.A.R.R.I event is

could be a catch up type thing its comeing in a few weeks

[eager vapor]

Carri? Where’s the roadmap

[willow plover]

on the roadmap brothers

[queen bridge]

My primary concern here is onboarding, @willow plover, not progression

[willow plover]

april/mid season/c.a.r.r.i event

[eager vapor]

Is that a wipe?

[velvet plinth]

Nah

[willow plover]

no wipe is seaosn 2

[quasi trench]

i hope its a fun event with some cosmetics and cute bingus

[patent sage]

Sweet pfp, that cinematic was great

[velvet plinth]

Arachne will have you skin other runners for their new cosmetics

[willow plover]

wipe days are onbaording prime time

[queen bridge]

Being able to buy the game at any time during a wipe & in know for a fact that you're gonna have a good few hours to fight only other underequipped noobs is a huge boost of confidence to people who don't have the mindset to lose for hours on end

[quasi trench]

i am kinda hyped for the wipe, and play the new shell

[queen bridge]

I disagree with that mentality which is why I'm suggesting this

[velvet plinth]

Do we have any idea what new shell will be?

[queen bridge]

It wouldn't make the game any easier, just make the first couple hours have a lower skill ceiling

[willow plover]

you can disagree but its a fact wipe days in extraction games are onboarding time. we all startt level 1

[quasi trench]

the name is sentinel

[willow plover]

it solves your issue of people having golds and ganking lower levels

[queen bridge]

Yes but why make it so that people who join late CANT onboard

[quasi trench]

i find my first gold mod after 200 hours 3 days ago

[willow plover]

well its 3 months? do you want a wipe monthly xD

[queen bridge]

This is a smart way of having cake & eating too

[willow plover]

or faster leveling?

[queen bridge]

No I want Perimeter Baby Jail to be around until SL 10!

[willow plover]

thats good feedback tbh

[queen bridge]

I said that earlier!

[willow plover]

level 3 was abit quick for some people to get the ropes

[eager vapor]

Ive only found 1 gold core lol but I have a shit ton from killing people

[willow plover]

i have a gold greenhouse key i fear to do

[quasi trench]

i have golds from doing all factions not from looting

[velvet plinth]

I want my controller to stop dragging off someone I’m actively fighting when a thief drone passes by.

[willow plover]

ahhh the old aim assist dance

[queen bridge]

Perimeter Baby Jail being around for 10 season levels means that people who bumrush early content get filtered out instantly & it also means anyone who joins late in a wipe won't get dumpstered

It seems like common sense to me

[languid prism]

isn't it already around 10 sl

[quasi trench]

outpost is 12

[queen bridge]

It's not even tied to SL it's tied to runs, & it's like 5

[willow plover]

nah its level 3 lol

[queen bridge]

You can lose access to it in a single play session

[willow plover]

yep, 3 stack plus leveling means you loose it in two games

[eager vapor]

If you play regular perimeter at all you lose access also

[queen bridge]

That has to change

[languid prism]

probably not that big of a deal. Everyone just queues with free kits anyway

[quasi trench]

perimeter is my favorit map

[queen bridge]

Again, my beef here is that endgame players have started sealclubbing Perimeter for shits because they've capped their progression already

[eager vapor]

Outpost for me

[quasi trench]

i am bad at pvp so i avoid the big pvp stuff xD

[queen bridge]

Everything I been talking about today has been about finding ways to prevent those guys from making noobs quit if they buy the game mid-wipe

[languid prism]

I mean obviously this is just my own experience and maybe other people are different but I've literally never seen a yellow shield on perimeter (or anywhere), and I've seen like. maybe 10 purple shields in 90 hours

[eager vapor]

Idk getting shit on by someone geared when I just start won’t make me quit I’d just try to get gear

[zealous robin]

Bearly seen a blue myself

[queen bridge]

If you're in this discord you're not the kinda person I'm talking about

I want as many ball & gun gamers on this shit as possible lol

But without sacrificing the actual content

[languid prism]

I'm just saying if people in this discord don't fight highly geared people, then new players probably aren't either

[eager vapor]

This game atm has 0 chance of keeping super casual gamer dads

[languid prism]

usually it's like a team of 3, one of them has a blue shield and a wstr, the other 2 are free kits

[queen bridge]

Better onboarding doesn't mean making shit later down the line easier, & the game has bad onboarding

Im spitballing how to make that initial curve just a liiiiiittle smoother

[eager vapor]

I feel like new players biggest problem will be reading implants and cores and just being confused

And the terrible armory navigation

[queen bridge]

That's my second biggest suggestion yeah. Please for the love of God, you have so many good artists just make a unique asset for each of the socket items

[eager vapor]

I should be able to click an implant and it takes me to who is selling them. Trying to find specific gun mods in the armory is so ass

[languid prism]

hit v on the gun to go to the mod screen

[queen bridge]

The chips, the cores & the implants are just awful

[languid prism]

then it'll just show you what goes on that gun

[steep anchor]

I'd like a "training" mode with simple, tron-ass geometry and simple enemies, that I can load into to test out gear and shells to get a hang of things. No consumable cost.

[eager vapor]

Yea ik that, but then it just says sold in the armory. Not who afaik

[queen bridge]

Also let me drag & drop chips & gun mods in the vault Jesus Christ

Building shit should be able to happen in any menu out of raid

[warm shore]

Should just have a tarkov like weapon creation where you mod a weapon and click on each attachment to see what you have and what you can put on

[queen bridge]

They do have that, it's by holding V to inspect

[eager vapor]

You can see a + on mods if it goes on an equiped gun

[languid prism]

that literally already exists

[queen bridge]

But it's terribly unexplained

[warm shore]

Meant a more simple mainstream one

[eager vapor]

Im just talking about shopping for mods

[queen bridge]

How? The Tarkov one is infinitely more complicated

[eager vapor]

Everything in armory is way too hard to find

[steep solstice]

if a massive emp hit the entire globe and burnt all our electronics we would still have opera 👍

[steep anchor]

this would also be a nice place to test and tweak control settings

[warm shore]

I have no idea how that’s true

[queen bridge]

Yeah having a range & an obstacle course is so necessary, even Tarkov does

[eager vapor]

Also give us a firing range, I brought a gold overrun and holy shit the recoil on that thing

[warm shore]

Worst gun In the game

[queen bridge]

It has like 10-25 slots per gun what do you mean

[eager vapor]

gold copperheads up there too

[warm shore]

Facts

[steep anchor]

I lose gear fast, so I don't even get to form an opinion before they're gone

[warm shore]

Yes bc that’s how many things can go on a real gun, but In marathon it would have 4 options

[languid prism]

this is how I feel whenever people start bitching about item icons. Like I do not keep these items long enough to make a build. They're going in my loadout in decreasing order of rarity, no matter what they do

[steep anchor]

I wouldn't be suprised if they had a firing range in mind and couldn't get it done in time. It seems like such an obvious feature.

[queen bridge]

That is a thing! You just hold V & it takes you to the equivalent screen from Tarkov!

[warm shore]

Holy moly man it’s like talking to a wall

[queen bridge]

I don't understand what you want to be different

[steep anchor]

right??? and the stickers lol

[queen bridge]

Not trying to be obtuse but you didn't describe what you don't like about Marathon's system at all. It's basically identical except that it's all sci fi junk instead of real stuff

[languid prism]

the only explanation is he doesn't know the screen you're talking about

[quasi trench]

stop talking to a wall

[split thunder]

... it .. does have 4 options in marathon? when you're in your vault if you tap v hovering over a gun that does exactly what you want. there's no way to make it more simple save a button that puts on random mods in your inventory.

Related - I hope eventually we can kind of do that with like a way to make "kits" we can easily grab with the click of a button for suiting up on runs

[warm shore]

I was explaining to someone that didn’t understand it

[steep anchor]

Mmm... so a kit list, and if you're missing a component, the kit is greyed out. Or maybe setup custom loadouts in the armory (with what you have unlocked) that you buy at-cost.

[split thunder]

something like that I guess. I mean we can already track stuff in the game so I could see a lot of the functionality for a kind of "kit" existing

[warm shore]

Saving preset kits would be fire

[queen bridge]

I do understand it! We agree! What are you saying!!

Ohh I see what the difference is. Yeah they need to add "in armory" to the inspect screen. Having to puzzle through that manually is pointless.

[lean crescent]

Hey, he might enjoy that

[lean crescent]

Or maybe unlock upto 4? extra loadouts you can prefill with gear. Makes going in again easier.

Also let us stack damn chip and core mods

[split thunder]

yeah I just thought it might be easy(ish) to code something like a kit system in where clicking one button will equip every item that is available in your inventory that matches.

but I am just a baby coder I don't really know the intracacies of waht that would entail

[queen bridge]

Yeah ffs, all dupes of everything but Gold & Red salvage should stack

[lean crescent]

And another complaint 🤣 Why is like 30% of my stash salvage.

[split thunder]

because you haven't traded it yet (I mean mine is too, I hear ya)

[queen bridge]

Even if the stack sizes were small, just a little!

[lean crescent]

Problem is, I cant trade it for anything lol.

[queen bridge]

Lemme stack 5 of each chip, just 5!

It would make such a huge difference

[lean crescent]

20 grey - 15 green - 10 blue - 5 purple?

Would make stockpiling grey or green overflow chips for lmgs less annoying

[queen bridge]

As it is, I don't even keep ANY chips below Blue around anymore, which leaves me strapped when I want to equip a new weapon!

[lean crescent]

Same

[split thunder]

I think me, cosette and calaheim all have the same problem of not just using the blue (or even green sometimes) stuff in our inventory 😉

[lean crescent]

See i do, when im running with premades.

Usually we will start with a free kit. snowball up a little. Then upgrade with our vault

[queen bridge]

I do, but only if I feel like I'm not gonna waste it, which means I HAVE to do at least a few Rooks or free kits runs to start

[lean crescent]

Also weapons taking up 8 slots feels ass.

[queen bridge]

Which means I have to make room in my inventory & AAAAUUUGHFHH

Being able to keep junk around just a little bit more would help a lot

flashback to unstacked ammo at launch

[lean crescent]

Even with the ability to stack ammo. i dont

[split thunder]

maybe I"m just too attached to my pixels in my inventory I have so much shit I don't use because my brain is broken

[lean crescent]

Honestly tempted to sell my green meds xD i can barter for them anyhow

[sudden grotto]

your brother's friend is a cop #ACAB sorry!!!

[queen bridge]

See I'm not at all, except in that I can't even fucking fit more bags or shields in my shit bc I have too many guns & too much unusable salvage

[split thunder]

it's stupid because everything is going bye bye anyways with wipe, I know this, but for some reason I'm still like "don't want to lose this thing, better to keep looking at it in my inventory forever until it disappears on its own" which is silly but I feel like some of y'all can relate

[sudden grotto]

gear fear common thing quit stressin god yr getting on my nerves

[lean crescent]

See i keep multiple weapons i like cause i cant easily buy them lol.

[split thunder]

feel free to mute me friend

[sudden grotto]

i would NEVER mute you buddy

[lean crescent]

Wow, learn to spell.

[queen bridge]

Yeah, same! Its not like I want to be sitting on 4 blue Retaliators, but I also don't want to get rid of them either!

[lean crescent]

In tarkov i usually ended wipes with weapon crates full of prebuilt AK's and SR-25's just cause i liked using them and i could buy them on reset.

I have 3 purple outlands, 1 purple impact, 1 blue misriah, 1 blue V85, 1 purple BRRT. And 2 purple twintaps. And the gold twintap.

[queen bridge]

Between the issue of necessary but currently useless salvage clutter being a huge issue when you're muddling through upgrades, mods, cores & implants not stacking, & there being SO MANY consumables, inventory space is mostly trash & that's a problem

[lean crescent]

Yeah

Tarkov solved it well with the various inventory crates. But you did have the marginal tech of infinite storage via stacking backpacks

[queen bridge]

I would not want quantum backpack tech in Marathon but what we got now is also bad

[lean crescent]

Also all thos random cores with materialist lol

[lean crescent]

I mean, just being able to stack the backpacks inside eachother would be nice.

[queen bridge]

Game also needs a butt pocket

[lean crescent]

Honestly for materials that would be nice.

[queen bridge]

Like why does the meanest game ever made have that & this doesn't

[split thunder]

i like no butt pocket

[lean crescent]

Could shove unstable shit in there to make healing economy less rough.

[queen bridge]

See I want it for keys

(not that it would remove the fragile tag, it wouldn't for those)

Just letting you get nonfragile keys out no matter what would be massive

[lean crescent]

Yeah fair

Honestly fragile keys feel stupid. Sure you lose the key on death. But now even the enemy doesnt get anything.

Honestly would be better if fragile just force dropped it on the ground when downed. Makes it scoopable and adds risk

[queen bridge]

Wait I didn't mean fragile

[upper shale]

they don't drop ?

[queen bridge]

Things with the fragile tag are destroyed on down

[upper shale]

damn

[split thunder]

yeah I guess that's fair I could see that being a good compromise, I just think it's interesting to always have to risk everything

[lean crescent]

Upon DBNO this item is destroyed

its a stupid mech honestly lol

[queen bridge]

But yeah I mean the Cryo keys

And maybe the locked room keys as well. I have 60 hours & I've seen ONE locked room key

[upper shale]

the fragile keys are just too expensive to be worth it till roughly the end of wipe ig if you really need to finish something requiring purple key drops...

[vagrant fjord]

does materialist give you random salvage or multiply the salvage in your inventory

[queen bridge]

If they're gonna be that rare it's crazy that they're also easy to lose

[lean crescent]

Adds +1 to the salvage you extract with afaik

[queen bridge]

It gives you +1 instance of each thing of its rarity in your inventory per materialist tagged item

[warm shore]

Adding a secure container would legit ruin the fun of finding rare things on players ngl, just like it does in tarkov

[vagrant fjord]

ty

[queen bridge]

I've never heard anyone say this, even the big streamers for Tarky

[wheat shore]

Yo I wanna do rank now that I got some decent stuff but—— how do I load in?
Is it auto primary and shotgun with sniper in back pack + bull pup/v11 punch? Like what are people doing to stay up.

[lean crescent]

Dude is probably grumpy knives are being nerfed.

[upper shale]

it's especially bad since if you get a drop on an enemy team who did a locked room you won't get anything in return since everything was vacuumed to their vaults. Also enables low-stakes loot-runs too much

[queen bridge]

Sniper & Misriah or midrange auto & Misriah

[queen bridge]

It's a single 4x4 what

[wheat shore]

Throwables or naw

[queen bridge]

Bubble, EMP & tox are meta

[upper shale]

and all the best stuff fits in it

[wheat shore]

Meta applies to both cryo and rank or

[queen bridge]

Especially bubble, bubble with shotguns is THE high level tactic rn

[wheat shore]

Is there a way to purchase bubbles. I’ve looked around and figured it’s a tradeable

[queen bridge]

Snipers are kinda irrelevant for Cryo but they're insane on Dire ranked

[upper shale]

through schematics yeah

[queen bridge]

They drop at a boosted rate from shoot-down drone boxes & supply drops too

[wheat shore]

Supply boxes are the hacked ones?

[queen bridge]

No, it's the little landing pad craft

[wheat shore]

Oh Hurd

So now that I got all that noted next question is where can I get a misriah?

[queen bridge]

Drone boxes & supply drops are deliberately mid, as in green-blue stuff, but they're CONSISTENTLY mid, so you can bet on getting blues from them if that's what you need

[queen bridge]

High tier rooms in Outpost & all over Cryo weapon boxes only

[wheat shore]

Yeah I need to hoard now that I caught up supply lining regular stuff and some gear for 7 outfits

[queen bridge]

No way to buy it outside of schemae

[wheat shore]

Hmmm so I should probably learn the master key spawns on outpost huh

[queen bridge]

Outpost routing is the only way to farm purps

Or Dire Lockdowns

[wheat shore]

I’ve hardly learned how to get in and not die. Still trying to get it down though.

Dire lockdowns are fun but look super risky. How often do you get blindsided running that event?

I figured to snipe the people doing it than doing it

[queen bridge]

You don't, the red zone kills anyone not equipped for it instantly

Not literally but basically

[wheat shore]

My first time I got contested by a rook so it scared tf out me as a solo runner

[split thunder]

I haven't messed with the dire lockdown stuff yet, is it cool? Do you need more than one anti virus pack?

[queen bridge]

Just don't dick around near the box when it's over & you'll be fine

[wheat shore]

I’ve read 2/3

[queen bridge]

You need 3 minimum, & it fills up a hidden meter above your health bar that caps at 6

[wheat shore]

Cool! I definitely got a list of stuff to do with the blue and green gear I accumulated.

[lean crescent]

Depends on your AV upgrades

[queen bridge]

A well executed Lockdown is theoretically the fastest farm in the game, but it's semi-random & requires having anti-viruses on you at all times

Outpost takes longer but the routes are a lot less random & you can know exactly where to go & how if you practice

Outpost also has MORE to loot, so you can theoretically get a massive haul if you drop stuff & re-loot over the course of the run

[lean crescent]

Its easy as hell with a destroyer and triage.

Just shareware the virus, And SAD the spawns

[queen bridge]

That's riskier than running a Lockdown tho, because it means sticking around deeper into the raid& risking getting ganked by another squad or the Rook Brigade that always spawns due to how fast people die on Outpost

[lean crescent]

Just ya know, gotta survive all the other teams on the map first.

Best way to lockdown is to take the chip that disables the field and hide it somewhere. keeps rooks and players with less AV out. Had run earlier in the week where a group was ontop of algea ponds but after we killed 1 they hid. And eventually ran away when AV ran out.

[queen bridge]

Yeah that's why you want to max the bar instead of just doing 2 or 3

There's no reason to turn it off, just loot it & leave

[lean crescent]

You can activate it inside of the zone. It just seems to not always work

[haughty beacon]

anyone have the 'why everyone so mean to me' meme pic with the big butt

[turbid plover]

It takes only 3 packs to fill the bar

[turbid plover]

See I thought I was a smartass too but that chip spawns in every consecutive lockdown zone 😔

[lean crescent]

Can still loot it though.

I ended one run with all three in my bag 🤣 Yea idk why i didnt drop it in the last one.

[sudden stratus]

mornin gang

[rain quest]

hot take, outpost duo = shit, you cant really survive with free kit there

[lean crescent]

Go rook dire marsh, find a kit. use guarded for matter fixative then go outpost

[rain quest]

you cant duo rook so no

[queen bridge]

If you're squadded with a friend you can absolutely beat any duo up to 2 blue shields with free kits, depending on the kit

CyAc & MIDA are best, Traxus is...fine, but NuCal & Seki might be a struggle

[rain quest]

cyac and nuca :D

it would probably be better if the kits were reversed, but as better aimer having nuca instead of cyac is worse

[queen bridge]

You do realize you can just dump guns to each other on spawn right

[hard zealot]

I think the thing that's been limiting me from playing Marathon as much as I want- is the fact that I can't get healing items easy.

Either the barter is really too expensive for what it's asking for, or I just can't find any items. And buying them for just credits is just too much.

[forest wyvern]

perimeter

yw

[hard zealot]

You say that, yet I barely find them.

I've played that map more times than I can count, and I've only ever gotten out maybe 3 healing items at max.

[forest wyvern]

pickup barter materials for nucaloric, u can get multiple sets per run

[hard zealot]

Most of them are purple, and the lesser ones offer single digit amounts of said healing items. At that point I should just buy them with credits cause I'm burning faction materials.

[forest wyvern]

works on my machine

[hard zealot]

And it's also random. So I could just not get the ones I desperately need.

[glacial wadi]

In Duo / Trio queue having a Triage shell in team could make things easier, and if you're well coordinated with your teammates you didnt even need heal/shield kits at the beginning

[queen bridge]

Grinding NuCal gives you Priority Access to get more often, & doing poop runs on Rook gets you SO MUCH POOP

[hard zealot]

I do like my rook runs.

[queen bridge]

Legit just prioritize Biomass runs in Perimeter

It takes 40 minutes max to get a whole stack of health meds & another 40 for shields

I do Rook runs as my warmup & cooldown runs & I've stopped having an issue with this after doing that 3 or 4 times

[hard zealot]

I'm not disagreeing with you and I'm probably going to do that in a moment, I just think that with how reliant we are on regular meds, I think they shouldn't be so obtuse to get in general. I also kinda think you should either get more depleted meds in a sponsored kit, or they should be a little stronger.

[queen bridge]

Yeah they're not HARD but they are OBTUSE

You have to realize that you can even do what I'm saying, which is not obvious, & then you have to dedicate the equivalent of a whole short play session to doing it

[tropic escarp]

2.1k for a stack of shields and health patch kits is wild considering everything else in a cheap kit cost less

[queen bridge]

Yeah buying green meds being ungodly expensive is fucking strange d

[dense flare]

Got a prestige V85 but idk it just kinda seems like it sucks 😅

[queen bridge]

Even Tarkov meds aren't overpriced like that, I dunno why they did it

[dense flare]

Don’t buy them. Barter is way cheaper

[tropic escarp]

the biomass trade is it but oof

[queen bridge]

I know, that's what Im saying. I'm agreeing with Creyph & Mike about how obtuse it is & how you can fuck yourself if you do the obvious thing & buy them

[tropic escarp]

it is just dumb that the biomass trades it and you need to just go get it

[queen bridge]

Biomass is SO accessible too!

[tropic escarp]

but like a green shield overun and backpack costs less

[queen bridge]

It's not HARD it's just a goofy hassle to get them for not overpriced

Weird choice

[tropic escarp]

the only issue is that you want biomass for nucal upgrades which are great

[hard zealot]

It's also like....Biomass is an early faction material. The game kinds conditions you not to neglect or give away materials easily because you'll need them for faction upgrades, hence the purples. I'm so close to being able to buy deluxe shields but bioseeds are so hard to come by.

[turbid plover]

It's just that people don't value common salvage enough. Ammo is expensive, meds are expensive, common salvage stacks like crazy and takes up only one slot. It's always worth picking up.

[tropic escarp]

biomass being in hauler is kinda brutal

[queen bridge]

I keep 2 slots free every run for poop & diodes

[turbid plover]

Salvage always takes number 1 backpack priority expecially if it's used for meds

[queen bridge]

So that's actually kinda a lie. it's all over the map in good quantity, it's just more common per container in Hauler

[turbid plover]

Hauler, Overflow, Greenhouse, Algae ponds

[tropic escarp]

algae is the same ish issue but overflow and greenhouse are good spawns for it

[queen bridge]

It's also just AROUND Perimeter, it's not like other stuff that's only at where it's marked

[forest wyvern]

I think your issue is that you should play more trios with a triage, it massively improved my cash/resource flow

[queen bridge]

I've found it in every Perimeter POI & all the outbuildings on Perimeter at least once

[turbid plover]

I mean not necessarily a lie, it's just that each POI has certain salvage as loose loot, but container specific salvage can spawn in their respective containers independent of POI. It's just that Bioprinters can be found literally everywhere on Perimeter

[hard zealot]

The Triage needs meds too, and it's a very difficult thing when your triage dies and you're in the middle of a firefight. Which is a different kind of panic and stress when you're also out of meds.

Ask me how I know.

[shy thorn]

triage is just hands down the best trios fill queue pick because you can't rely in your randos to support you or have enough of an eye on their heals

[queen bridge]

it also appears in generic folios more often on Perimeter than it does on Dire

long story short, GRAB DAT POOP every time you see it & you'll have more of it than you need in no time

[forest wyvern]

unfortunately people are the biggest downside and the highlight of team games like this, keep looking for better players

[tropic escarp]

i want the spark leaf trade for 3 back

[queen bridge]

I will never randomfill in this game, I would rather join 6 LFG servers than risk getting 2 free kit Andys with no mics with no way of knowing

game NEEDS an in-game clan system & fill lobbies ISTG

[hard zealot]

I'm a Triage Main, and I can tell you from personal experience the second the Triage on either team goes down, the drop for stable biomass goes up.

It's like watching bees scatter without their queen.

[forest wyvern]

Finding people to queue with is probably the largest filter of this game, unfortunately.

[hard zealot]

Queue is why I haven't attempted Cryo at all yet.

[forest wyvern]

I play CS u don't have to tell me that

[queen bridge]

actually just join any LFG that isn't this one

you'll find someone to play with that can at least get you in & out

[urban kayak]

Where should I report being thrown out of the game and not allowed back in? All my gear was reset to its original state

[queen bridge]

The support forums

[urban kayak]

i cannot find the needed one((
do you have a link?

[queen bridge]

#helpful-links it's in here

[queen falcon]

'Mernin nerds

[urban kayak]

i already get on this site but i cannot find the needed page for my problem((

[queen bridge]

It's not that specific, just start a thread in Systems, Settings & Services

[lilac isle]

Is Sprint Kick v2 supposed to be -50 heat capacity?

[queen bridge]

visual bug only

[urban kayak]

thanks, will do now 🤝

[queen bridge]

doesn't change anything stats-wise

[lilac isle]

Awesome, thank you for the answer

[queen bridge]

I think it's actually -10? but anyway it's not -50

[twilit veldt]

Where do i go to see twitch drop anouncments? i had no idea cryo archive launch had twitch drops until now and I'm real upset about it

[queen bridge]

You just gotta pay attention, that's kinda the point of them

they talk about it on the social medias when they announce the streams sometimes

[twilit veldt]

they did not announce it on the discord or any other platform but X im just confused bc they announce the tau city cup and launch drops on discord but not cryo?

[signal bough]

#social-comms

[queen bridge]

They announced the Cryo blitz streams & talked about there being Cryo skins

the wording was kinda unspecific but they DID do that

[signal bough]

it was also mentioned in #marathon-news

[twilit veldt]

just looked there they did not mention it unless im blind.

[signal bough]

#marathon-news message this one has it

#social-comms message this one for cryo drops

[twilit veldt]

ah ok ty i will check there from now on

[queen bridge]

like i said, they didn't center it very much but it was mentioned offhand

[misty sigil]

Hey yall! If you think wipes need to be managed better than "seasonal" to keep a balance between megasweats who have max stats in a week and casual/busy/new players who find it hard to get faction quests completed and salvage extracted due to sweaty mommys basement players hitting the fortnite griddy on your corpse, consider upvoting/bumping this feedback post and sharing thoughts.

The suggested alternative is a combination of optional/forced account reset tied to a Prestige system. Prestige systems are a well established method for encouraging players to restart, offering exclusive cosmetics and rewards, and could be majorly incentivized by offering golden gear pieces, jumpstarts, golden salvage that is hard to obtain, keys for end game, COSMETICS, drippy titles and limitted achievements in order to draw the Marathon fans that achieve insane heights fast with maximum effort to reset earlier and climb the ladder again.

This would balance out a few issues the game has, for instance, new player uptake.

Experienced players will still hold the advantage with extensive game knowledge and muscle memory.

Meanwhile new players wont have to deal with servers full of players that have stat bonuses that win them firefights as often.

In order to address the issue of hitting max level then not being able to use your hard earned gains, there should be a considerable buffer time period for the player to enjoy their gear and upgrades. My suggestion is a level cap of 125, with the xp required proportioned to the right amount of gameplay before a forced prestige.

Then bulk resets can be moved to 6 months out, so anyone has ample time to experience what the game has to offer, even with only 5 hours a week to play.

Also this would prevent a major drop off of our already limited console playerbase.

Feel free to offer constructive feedback for or against the topic, but limit it to reasonable discussion and debate. Keep malice out of your words and do not resort to condescending words to express yourself. This is a feedback thread, not an ego competition. Thanks all!
https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1489038461540499727

[random gale]

Dude let people read your feedback post instead of spamming it in chat every 30 minutes

[signal bough]

i like going to bed, waking up, and seeing this same guy spamming this post

[misty sigil]

So dramatic, its been atleast 5 hours since it was last shared. So moody!

[signal bough]

"atleast 5 hours" i'm crine bruh this is real life

[misty sigil]

Tldr

[signal bough]

yeah ok buddy in chief

[queen bridge]

Post it on the Reddit & see if it gets upvotes, this shit is gonna get you banned

[lilac isle]

This will shock you but you don't have to do everything between wipes

[signal bough]

it won't work we already yelled at this guy yesterday for like an hour straight

[queen falcon]

Dude is still trying with that shit?.....holy....

[quartz oasis]

yeah just blocking at this point keep your wall of text to yourself

[terse peak]

man, virtually every guy that kills me in a weird way lately seems to have other game bans+vac bans O_O latest guy didn't miss a shot with the bully at 40m as I was thief grappling through partial cover(literally magdumped in my toe initially and then snapped on me instantly as I was mid air above/behind him)

[noble drift]

Why does my husband get random sponsor packs while I get a specific one for the day?

[terse peak]

he poor

[signal bough]

rng

[queen falcon]

You can report using the "Recent Players" list I believe. From what I've been told it's in the steam overlay somewhere.

[terse peak]

no, if your vault value/cash is low, you get random one automatically after a run

[signal bough]

oh this is news to me

[quartz oasis]

it is different per player and also when you die i think you get a random one

[noble drift]

I need Traxus to come back so I can farm the skins ;__;

[queen falcon]

I was wondering why it stopped automatically equipping a sponsored kit for me....neat.

[quartz oasis]

i died in a run and my next i had a seki kit

is there a cutoff for that? i have a lot in my vault but maybe not super pricy stuff yet

[terse peak]

yes, that only happens when your vault value is below a certain amount as well as you overall $$, it's a combo that I think overall value >50-60k or smth

[quartz oasis]

ah i gotta check i think i am like 25-30 atm

[noble drift]

Damn, I want the random ones, my vault is too valuable :/

[quartz oasis]

lol

you do get a different free one in the armory each day

[terse peak]

ofc I did that lol

[quartz oasis]

i wonder what mine is today. yesterday was NuCal

[noble drift]

Mine today is NuCal. Haven’t had Traxus is daaaays

[terse peak]

Traxus is mid, NuCal is good for midrange

[noble drift]

Yeah, I don’t like their kit but I just need two more skins from exfiling their kits

[quartz oasis]

i mostly pick who has the best colors

if we get a purple faction i am cooked

[noble drift]

Never getting those Cryo skins, rip

[south bay]

magnum needs a buff

[quartz oasis]

never say never

[noble drift]

True. They’re there forever to farm. Just bought a PS5 controller to help me be better lol

[sudden stratus]

nucal kit for me again today

[kind axle]

Has anyone else noticed how much worse the vaulting bug where it throws you backwards and mach 1 has gotten? I just got thrown off the map on outpost from it

[gusty sedge]

guys any news on the carri event?

[spark rapids]

I hope the CARRI event is just two chad bots that treat you with kindness and run you up to the compiler and let you take all the loot. Carri me😭

[bold violet]

carri is the latin word for carriage, clearly we're getting traxus brand vehicles in the game

[cold plover]

I just got my first blue shield I'm so happy, escape will make me pog

[noble drift]

Congrats. Now hoard it forever.

[bold violet]

got like 10 from nucal barter 😋

[cold plover]

I'll wait until I decide to do the Arachne contracts, that's when I'll use it probably

[bold violet]

i'm down to like 3 though and no purple shield for cryo 😭

[cold plover]

Dang

I'm finally getting used to the pvp, I think. Just waiting for Cyac level 12 so I can get more heat res

[onyx plover]

Its genuinely impressive how bad the mauntling/vaulting in this game is

[signal bough]

im ngl the mantling stuff i've seen talked about occasionally but never had a problem with personally

[bold violet]

pretty unintuitive but that happen when you press space a second time instead of never letting go of jump in the first place

hope they change it

[terse peak]

man, going in with just the knife and coming back with like 5k value feels soo damn good