new-noise

[mellow prism]

i've never done the convoy, is there an order you have to push the squares in? or just as long as you get em all

[scarlet remnant]

Just all the squares, as far as I know there's no order to it

[mellow prism]

might pick up a lmg and try it next time

i keep hearing it's hard without teamfire

[scarlet remnant]

It just takes a long time, even with an LMG. Solo you will probably have to catch up to it three times.

It does have better rewards (usually) than caches and similar easy events. I do wish they'd tune it to be a bit more fun, though. Maybe spawn a wave of bots after each square is broken but in return the squares are less spongy.

[mellow prism]

wait like it legit takes so long you have to let it stop by a different place

[scarlet remnant]

You can only shoot it when it's stopped, cause that's the only time the squares are exposed

[mellow prism]

yeah that's what i mean like you can't onephase it solo essentially

[scarlet remnant]

I dunno how many stops the convoys have but even with a team it usually takes me 2 stops

[timid apex]

I love Cryo archive and everything about it. You should develop a map that is Arachne themed that gives you clearance and rewards you for kills on runners. It can vary by POI so people don’t camp. It would allow solos to participate, can have slightly worse loot or the same loot tier as Cryo or outpost, and the highest runner count out of all the maps. Some people want strictly PvP replay ability that rivals the underground portion of blue gate or Stella Montis on Arc.

[scarlet remnant]

I don't think so, nope

[mellow prism]

right okay

[elfin wharf]

Can the devs please put a firing range in?

[feral schooner]

Starting to notice a lot of cheaters now :/

[west nova]

Is there any space where you can provide an idea to the devs?

Like a forum or something

[scarlet remnant]

There are official Marathon forums under the Bungie pages and also a feedback channel in here

[sand radish]

At this point why not just add a deathmatch arena for ya’ll

[timid apex]

I don’t want that. I want a place where I can be the last man/team standing and leave with the best loot. It’s all getting whipped at the end of the season so give us a space where we can pop some piñatas and show no mercy to those who wish to PVP against us. King of the Hill style.

[tranquil forge]

Report button goes silly

[turbid plover]

Machine guns don't even have that great sustained dps, mostly due to long reloads

Pistols on the other hand have crazy good dps due to high damage per shot and very fast reloads

[feral schooner]

button ain't going to do much lol. Its more about how much effort they put in to get rid of them

[tranquil forge]

I have a good feeling they will put in effort

[craggy yarrow]

This should be a thing! A death match area where you can go with your best loot, winner takes what they want. It could also have a high price tag to enter.

Then have the pvpve side where you get the loot to go in.

[turbid plover]

That's just Cryo

[feral schooner]

I was going to say

[dawn arrow]

Sometimes u just know the teammates are gonna be tragic

Just had 2 that couldn't figure out a fuckin discord call knew from the getgo I was tossing this kit out the window

[alpine ermine]

sorry wrong no one is buying this game and it will die and there will be layoffs, we need to do something as a community

[wispy tree]

theres gotta be like value based matchmaking or something dude im so sick and tired of being ran down by purple shields when i don't have a pot to piss in

[alpine ermine]

I agree bungo add something for babies, honestly, like a 6v6 capture the flag

[mellow oar]

No there has to be value based team matching, not matchmaking otherwise you will never ghet a chance at getting insane loot sokmetimes

[alpine ermine]

like earn minimal amount of money for folks who are staring strait at their controller and never use a mic

[alpine ermine]

come on thats the entire concept of the game, lets just make a different game?

lets just have dance offs?

[mellow oar]

The concept is to queue with a 10k kit and have people free kit on your team?

[alpine ermine]

'awh your fwendwy?" christ,

[mellow oar]

I said value base team matching, not matchmaking so that you can have people with actual kits instead of soloing trios

[alpine ermine]

not enough players brother

wrong, need something for people like you who dont play yet for the reasons you are complaining, try better at suggestions

[west nova]

I'm just gonna post here, if I'm cooking then signal boost I dunno

I'm generally very against the idea of there being a PvE mode HOWEVER
what if it was just stupidly difficult, almost unplayable. I'm talking insane amount of enemy volume and AI aggression.
You load in to a private instance of a map that is just completely under the control of the UESC. Put limited loot locations and make it to where you need to really use resources to get loot and extract.
To make it at little more accessible it could be a risk of rain style enemy spawn type deal, if you just skim you can get some things and get out but the longer you stay the more UESC spawn in and at increasing intervals.

Also it could be resource dependent in that there are special UESC (Wraith Wardens?) that actively hunt you regardless of location if you don't have a signal jammer

Something like this, absurdly brutal PvE, would really add to the overall identity of Marathon as a game

[alpine ermine]

na gamed in 2 seconds by people

6v6 capture the flag classic bungo game, random loadouts, minimal gains per match

block out little locations of each map so people learn and get better then become less baby

[vivid glade]

Am I just crazy or is there inflation at play in this game? I feel like green shields went from 750 to 900.

[turbid plover]

They are still 750?

[wispy tree]

some people just have to like

stop killing everything that moves

[vivid glade]

Ah maybe that’s it. Mine are reinforced.

[acoustic nest]

Are yours enduring?

[wispy tree]

The white shields are an existential threat to purple shields clearly

[acoustic nest]

Joking, I don't know but mine are 750 still

[turbid plover]

Can you even buy enduring shields

[dense flare]

Could be reinforced?

[rough obsidian]

It's because they're reinforced

[acoustic nest]

Wiped out a whole team of purples not too long ago with a Deluxe Sponsor Traxus kit

[turbid plover]

I meant reinforced, I don't think I've even seen them for sale

[hollow girder]

BORN TO RUN.
TCIV IS A FUCK.
鬼神 LOOT EM ALL 2893
I AM WORM MAN
410,757,864,530 DEAD UESC

[turbid plover]

real

[acoustic nest]

Ppfttt atta soldier

[hollow girder]

Signalis spotted. Millions must Achtung!

[acoustic nest]

Cigarette wife playing in the background

It's funny how you are now the second to notice where it's from

SIGNALIS 2 will totally come out

[hollow girder]

I don’t think Signalis should get a sequel, tbh. A spinoff I could see, but not a sequel.

[sudden grotto]

yeah i did

[wispy tree]

im so glad you're getting put up against the same people who watch AI fruit love island, but im not

[acoustic nest]

Yea true true

[acoustic nest]

I think I was lucky probably, they seemed a bit not coordinated

I had range on them

[royal zodiac]

do new players have a bad time getting shit done?

[wispy tree]

yeah

[royal zodiac]

fuck man my buddy told me just now i hear the losers who see the objective rooms go to camp new players thats so lame

[high dome]

I stopped playing - it's insufferable atm - 6 minutes Q - 1 minute I'm dead - full on space aids

[wispy tree]

they either have to split queues, or offer a downside to running the best shit other than losing it

[royal zodiac]

6 min q??? mines like 10 secs?

[high dome]

Australia here - not much I can do

[royal zodiac]

holy moly bungie gotta kick it in overdrive

[royal zodiac]

i need ths game lmao its incredible, i see hwo since time has passed the new players who onboard can get spotted when those rooms are easy to camp, what i dont understand is why? your new players so your nott gonna have much worth it.. they gotta just be losers who are so kil hungry its not even funny

[maiden carbon]

Had anybody had issues with push to talk? It won't toggle for me no matter which bind I set it to

[royal zodiac]

no

[sinful wigeon]

Is anyone else kinda disappointed with these cosmetics? Like I wanna support the game but none of these skins are really doin it for me

[rocky cliff]

What's the opposite of hopium? Because I just got gassed with a giant dose of it

The /r/gamingleaksandrumos thread about sales has me afraid we won't even make it to season 2.

Can someone emind me how insane that is to be afraid of? Please?

[sinful wigeon]

I think it'll definitely make it to 2 whether it makes it to 3 or 4 depends

[sudden stratus]

huge haul from a solo outpost run I'm making my money back tonight lmao

[sinful wigeon]

"Godspeed spiderman"

[dawn arrow]

Does the Muscular Augments trait affect Destroyer's Tac Sprint?

[versed violet]

Anybody know how I can fix these abysmal frame rates? Or do I just have to wait until the devs fix it? I can’t even run outpost above 30fps

[summer crescent]

Game is cpu bottlenecked most of the time. Ryzen X3D cpus or more cores is the only current "solution".

[radiant widget]

Do we have an eta on when the zip up hoodie on the Bungie store releases?

[robust torrent]

let pc disable crossplay so we dont have to deal with aim assist being borderline cheating

[patent sage]

🙄

[patent sage]

Why would you trust a reddit post on a gaming leaks subreddit, the people there are miserable

[robust torrent]

u disagreeing? i see so many streamers starting to use controller on pc for it lol

[high dome]

https://thisweekinvideogames.com/news/marathon-has-sold-1-2-million-copies-per-alinea-estimates/

[rocky cliff]

The source is a semi-reliable source confirming an extremely-reliable source.

[steel karma]

Even with aim assist PC players have such a huge advantage, inventory management, heal select, and mod changing are SOO slow on controller

It’s so stress inducing on controller lmao

[robust torrent]

no... me flying around and still getting perfectly tracked with snipers is what is OP

you having to deal with slowly looting doesnt change anything in pvp

[steel karma]

Movement on PC is way better, as someone who plays both, I’d say I feel much more confident about PvP on KBM

Maybe that’s just me idk

[verbal sigil]

I’m hopeful Sony will at least let marathon live in some form. It’s got good retention rate and the IP itself is stellar and has a lot of potential. They likely adjusted sales targets at some point given the nature of the game (though I imagine it still fell short). But I think it’s got some staying power and it could eventually be a financial success. We’ll see what happens

[teal loom]

SO GLAD TO BE HERE

[dawn arrow]

Got some crazy ass kits for cryo tomorrow finna be looking for gold salvage

[turbid plover]

Same, lockdowns have not been on my side lately

[lost wadi]

Hunt showdown has a playerbase of like 12k. It's been out for years and is actively being developed. Stop spreading FUD

[rocky cliff]

I said I didn't think it was real and wanted to be told why it's not.

[turbid plover]

Hunt has like 20 to 40k daily peaks what

[lost wadi]

9.8k players right now, 930pm PST

[abstract kayak]

Is it published by Sony?

[signal bough]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[proud ridge]

Alright I'll be super specific I'm really looking forward to the meltdowns people will inevitably have when their vaults are wiped at the end of the season.

[sudden stratus]

how's it goin John, Asphyxxia

[novel nebula]

[proud ridge]

Did you try saying something misogynistic online to impress her. I hear that works wonders.

[patent sage]

I think alot of people don't even understand how much loot the game THROWS at its players, I guarantee you 90% of active players have trouble keeping their vault from BEING full. It's a non-issue.

[mild kernel]

Chat, will faction upgrades reset per season?

[patent sage]

Yes, pretty essential for balancing. We do NOT need season level 0 rooks running around with blue backpacks and shotguns right out the gate 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[mild kernel]

Ok I’ll ask the question…. What actually stays cross season then so I have some sort of sense of overall progression in the game

If you’re saying upgrades don’t?

[patent sage]

Codex entries are the main one, I believe

[mild kernel]

Bruh, would be nice if we had an overall rank halo reach style where it takes years to hit max rank

Or something to show off how much of a no life we are

Regardless of season

[patent sage]

Oh. "Titles" are your thing then

[mild kernel]

You don’t think it’s just the season specific perks that will reset? Some of the upgrades are “for the season”

I.e vault space

[patent sage]

Yeah, cosmetics, titles, achievements, initial "liason" contracts (meeting the factions), and all codex progression, looks like, are the only things.

[crisp crow]

Isn’t pretty much every upgrade “for the season”

[patent sage]

Most of them are, as Tsar Bomba says. The vault space upgrades aren't too bad to get really, compared to a lot of others.

[mild kernel]

Nah some explicitly call out like add extra rows to your vault for the rest of the season

[dawn arrow]

Can't wait to put this nuclear bomb infinite abilities recon build to work on cryo tomorrow bruh

If that goes south I have an infinite health triage build as backup

[patent sage]

Well, yes. I think it's just clarification. Pretty sure Bungie have stated that all faction upgrades will be wiped. Which is sensible - most are quite powerful and some give substantial advantages against players with no upgrades

[mild kernel]

They should add something which carries over that is more noticeable then titles IMO, the problem with titles is they don’t really indicate how much sweat I’ve put in like a zone warden title today vs zone warden in 6 months

I’ll just say halo reach rank system had this figured out, if you had an inheritor in your game, you knew

[turbid plover]

Entire world's playerbase doesn't revolve around US. Hunt's peak hours are around 2 pm utc which would be like 7 am pacific

[mild kernel]

And the flaming skull helmet

[sudden stratus]

Nooooooooooooooooo, my pc crashed right after I got a gold mod and when I got back in I had died this is so sadddddddd

[gentle crane]

i don’t think critics would be as vocal about the lack of maps if one of the four maps wasn’t complete and utter shit like dire marsh

[cursive birch]

Anyone have tips for optimizing the game for an intel 12th gen cpu? i cannot for the life of me get the game to run at a stable 60fps

[mild kernel]

I’ve not heard people say bad things about any maps? What’s wrong with fire marsh? That’s my favorite map

[sudden stratus]

i picked up a gold hardline off of a fully kitted person I got very lucky killing

[mild kernel]

It’s perfect for pvp — dire marsh

IMO it’s “the” marathon map

[robust torrent]

yea shotguns and snipers

don't forget your thermal so you can two tap people from a mile away, so fun doing it and so fun having it done to you too lol

[mild kernel]

Hence why everyone was like ranked really starts when it’s dire marsh time

[dawn arrow]

Gotta hand it to you the bait is solid

[mild kernel]

It’s not bait I genuinely believe dire marsh is the best map

[robust torrent]

it is but thermal sniper meta is ruining it

[mild kernel]

The range on thermals isn’t that much

[robust torrent]

it still is for snipers

[dawn arrow]

Outpost and Cryo chads stay winning

[mild kernel]

Outpost is for rook farming

The real game happens on dire marsh

I think bungie agrees too because that’s where all the events are

[dawn arrow]

The real game happens on cryo but go off

[mild kernel]

Anomaly, lockdown, and most of the contracts

All on dire marsh

[gentle crane]

it’s completely shit

[dawn arrow]

All the prep work before you can really start balling out on outpost which is prepwork for the balls to the walls action of cryo

[mild kernel]

Tbh I don’t run into this thermal sniper issue on dire marsh

[gentle crane]

it looks like fucking silent Hill, too many big open spaces with no cover, and it’s fucking trash because of it

[mild kernel]

Maybe you’re playing wrong? Running out in the open? Or taking bad routes?

[dawn arrow]

I do have some crazy snipers to take out on dire ranked

Them shits are taking up soooo much space in my vault but soon it will be worth it

[mild kernel]

Like every poi on dire marsh has an underground section

[dawn arrow]

If I can actually find decent ranked teammates they'll probably stay taking up space in my vault

[mild kernel]

So how is a thermal sniper ruining you

You can push any team underground and get close

And if your pushing between poi’s and getting sniped that’s a skill issue, shouldn’t have pushed them from so far

[dawn arrow]

Thermal snipers on dire are mostly an issue because of the algae ponds streamer building that has good visibility over about half the map

[mild kernel]

Algae pond roof can only see towards intersection and maintenance

And docks, but it can’t hit maintenance or quarantine

[dawn arrow]

It can see towards greenhouse routes and AI uplink as well

Like 75% of the major routes on the map

[mild kernel]

Barely, it can see if you stand in the right singular spot but you are like 200+m away and won’t hit any killing shots

[dawn arrow]

This is a skill issue and killing shots can definitely be made from there at that distance

[mild kernel]

If your hitting killing shots at that distance your playing against bots, and if your getting killed from that distance your not using movement correct

COD warzone has taught me that you should basically always be taking evasive action and doing crazy movement during any poi transition phase

So if your getting sniped from there, skill issue

I do not have this problem

[dawn arrow]

Oh buddy Im doing the sniping, weave all you want that heat bar is gonna force you to slow down eventually

[mild kernel]

Bruh half the map of dire marsh has water which reduces heat and increases cooldown speed

Plus it’s raining half the time which makes it even better

With cardio kick and other mods too you can run between poi’s jumping the entire time

[dawn arrow]

Yeah but half a second of slowing down is all it takes plus if theyre taking certain routes movement doesn't really help since from.the perspective of a roof they're just running in a straight line

Also V99 Channel exists

[mild kernel]

Idk maybe I haven’t run into a lobby with you in it but nobody is sniping me from algae ponds

The angles it has on most of the map are horrible

[dawn arrow]

Probably less sweaty lobbies than the ones I run in

[patent sage]

Same, it's not that common. Thermal scopes don't have infinite range, anyway... and without thermals, the fog effectively counters snipers which is nice

[mild kernel]

I just think you are getting some bot lobbies? It’s very easy to avoid visibility from algae pond roof

And yeah thermal falls off like 100-150m which is a tiny radius around algae ponds

IMO non thermal is better if you want to be on algae pond roof

[light scroll]

thermal sniper scopes have a range of 100m

[mild kernel]

Even better is quarantine roof I can hit shots from there all the way to maintenance which is like 200m

I don’t think snipers are as good as this chat seems to think though for super long range

[blazing moon]

Thermals are transparently broken, as is controller auto-aim, no place in the game to this degree.

[dawn arrow]

Brother I get the most sweaty swamp ass lobbies of all time because I spend most of my time on outpost murking pretty much everyone I come across

[mild kernel]

Usually you can just push along a route that the sniper has no visibility

Idk if your killing people from algae pond roof doesn’t sound like it’s sweaty lobbies?

Most should know how to avoid visibility from it I would think

Most of the sweaty lobbies I’m in, people are over at bio research

Or quarantine, which algae pond has no visibility to either

[dawn arrow]

Most people on dire are newer and dont consider visibility from algae roof

Even high level sweats tend to forget about it

Beings as though algae is central it tends to catch most people sooner rather than later god forbid they stop to loot a body

[mild kernel]

Idk if you think about it algae pond roof visibility is absolute trash, because the platform that the building sits on wipes out the visibility of the surrounding area

You can’t even really see maintenance that well aside from the toxic cloud room

[dawn arrow]

Pretty much only directly underneath and the farther POI's get obscured

[mild kernel]

Intersection is right next to it and the roof can only really see into one building

I think it’s designed perfectly, algae pond roof only works well for algae pond top deck

[dawn arrow]

It is true that intersection is one of the safest rotates around algea because of that big wall

But once youre on either side of it you're a sitting duck pretty much

[mild kernel]

Docks is also super safe too, I frequently run back of maintaince to AI uplink and never get caught

To final exfil

[dawn arrow]

Lowk I forget docks exists because almost nobody goes there

[mild kernel]

You can actually run pretty far out of the map off to the side of docks and ai uplink

[dawn arrow]

I only use that rotate in the other direction to maintinence lol

Usually for quests that involve quarantine

[mild kernel]

If I need to be super safe that is the route to go nobody ever checks docks 50m to the side outside of the map

[void flame]

on the nucaloric armory there is a bartor for purple shields but it says that i need an upgrade to my nucaloric sponsorship. it doesn't specify what upgrade though

[mild kernel]

Same goes for bio research , you can be like 75m off to the side of bio in the water

[dawn arrow]

You need to get the final capstone which is unlocked by having all nucal upgrades

[dawn arrow]

Tbh this one is less good due to the visibility from main building windows in bio

Caught so many people thinking theyre sneaky with that one

[mild kernel]

True I have rarely used the bio one

The safest way around that part of the map is walking around anomaly

[dawn arrow]

Or just using bio tunnels to pop out at the building in the direction you're heading

[mild kernel]

If I start at complex I’ll go through anomaly, walk around the road next to greenhouse into intersection then to west gate

To get to the other side of the map quick and safely

Nobody’s ever checking west gate road

[dawn arrow]

Tbh anomaly is pretty high traffic too run into tons of fights there with terrible visibility due to foliahe

[patent sage]

Jesus, that's a fuckload of purple/prestige salvage 💀

[mild kernel]

But it’s very easy to get out of a fight at anomaly because if the different routes and the walls of the anomaly blocking billets and paths

[dawn arrow]

Good luck with all the biolens seeds lmao

[mild kernel]

So if you run into someone you can immediately back off and lose them

Since it’s next to like 5 poi’s they don’t know which one you went into

[dawn arrow]

Most of the time by the time you guys see each other ij anomaly the fight is unavoidable and turning away is death

[patent sage]

AUGHHHHH guess I just gotta cheese it with materialist+ items 🤔

[mild kernel]

I thief grapple out

[dawn arrow]

Saving my materials+ white cores for cryo🙏

[patent sage]

Reasonable

[dawn arrow]

Probably not even gonna take em out because I wanna run my crazy ass builds and not bog them down with white cores 😭 😭

Unless wait can you just have it in your backpack and it still works?

Or hold it in backpack all round and swap it into slot in the exfil?

[patent sage]

Yep, it's pretty busted, even the pack itself can be materialist 🤑

[dawn arrow]

Oh bet I got 2 white cores and blue triage core with materialist+ Im finna be upppp

[gentle crane]

no, I mean the game on dire marsh is not fucking fun. ratting around like a scared bitch with a sniper rifle and a thermal scope is not really fun.

there’s really no weather patterns either. It’s just foggy or really fucking foggy

[hybrid berry]

is there any way to barter or purchase pistol mods? i LOVE silenced pistols, holy shit

[rough obsidian]

SKIN ALL ASSASSINS

[hybrid berry]

looks like technically pistol mods are a subcategory of SMG mods - but the traxus tech tree doesnt seem to open up any silencers

[rough obsidian]

he's probably saying all this "skill issue" shit because he's guilty of the cheap tactics you mentioned and would rather blame his opponents than consider how the map's layout may give too much benefit to certain types of unfun behaviors/playstyles, and how those behaviors/playstyles may negatively affect the balance of the map.

You can tell from some of his messages he either really just doesn't understand the dynamics of quests and combat on Dire or he's being obtuse

[hasty raptor]

Does anyone else have a problem when sometimes pressing 4 for auto heal does nothing but holding 4 brings up the menu?

[mild mountain]

found the prestige mod that turns the volt thrower into the needler earlier. excited to try that.

[flat copper]

Complete a Rook run and strip the silencer off your light ammo pistol post-extract But yeah, silencers do rule.

[mild mountain]

it’s a rotating batch. you just have to get good RNG.

[boreal canyon]

Does anyone else feel like solos is a bit too risky leading to more ratty play styles. Maybe it could be alleviated by a safe pocket 🤔

[past socket]

kinda small but anyone else bothered by the bug that shows valuables sell for 0 creds 😭

[sonic portal]

Did the servers go down?

[spare shoal]

I got DC'd but my friend is still in game

[gentle crane]

not if you’re running recon. just follow their footsteps.

Not a lot of players think to try to run out the footsteps window and then change course. they just make a beeline towards whatever POI hoping they can get their shields back in time.

or I just let my explosive tick run you down like a dog and overheat you before you even get a chance to dip off.

Marsh is the only map i really run Recon just to counteract how bad it is.

my biggest grievance with dire marsh is that there’s very few POIs where you actually get into good running gunfights.

maintenance has good activity, and so does complex and intersection.

Everywhere else just turns into a rat-sniper slapfight.

[gentle crane]

people do play weirdly passive in solos

[elder quartz]

wow these sekiguchi contracts are pure dogshit huh

[wise dome]

same just happened to my friend, now he gets DC'ed in menu after a PC restart

[wise dome]

The Seki sponsored kit blows. Anybody else hate the volt thrower?\

[unkempt mango]

Meta shifted to Rat only gameplay. You can't hear a thing first 10minutes, then as the first 3second snipe fight happens, all of the sudden everyone is there 3rd and 4th partying on diremarsh. Its the worst Map ever.
Also, Matchmaking sucks proper Ass....Yesterday we were rolled over by a full purp/Yellow team with 2 of those Red fcking Grenade Launcher Weapons.

[cosmic viper]

Anyone else agree no-rook-on-rook?

[elder quartz]

when i first started playing, yeah. but i dont take chances anymore after i still get shot when comming on mic or doing friendly tbags. im shoot on sight for everyone now as rook

[lilac shore]

.

[quasi trench]

i ahve all mida left and its all in pinnewheel

[elder quartz]

i finished off mida today. a lot of their outpost quests arent too bad imo, as assassin in solos

[queen falcon]

I actually just saw someone say, "I will not work with you or be friendly because that brings a risk of betrayal and I won't take that risk." Pretty mush exactly how I see it....also...can't be betrayed if the lobby is dead. 😂

[queen falcon]

That's pretty much how it goes. Even in solos....I wouldn't say the meta is shifting, I'd say it's settling. The flow of the maps are becoming more solidified. In solos, basically everyone is rushing to their closest POI's and doing their initial looting so there's very little gun fire, except for the occasional pops at UESC recruits. About 5min in you'll start to hear actual fights happening from those who didn't get a good poi spawn rotating to the better POI's and running into those who spawned there.

[spiral pike]

Assassin in solo is something I haven't heard in a long time, oh so refreshing

[elder quartz]

bro i gotta play assassin in solos to combat all the other assassins. i dont even like solos but its the most efficient for doing these contracts

[spiral pike]

90% assassins out there. Sums up the solo experience. Assassinghton

[dusty moss]

Just putting this information out into the universe in case someone in the future is in a similar position as me and is looking for anecdotes about upgrading

Ryzen 5600X
32gb DDR4 3200
RTX 5070 Ti
1440P ultrawide
High preset DLSS quality
Avg 72 fps on Dire Marsh

Ryzen 9850X3D
32gb DDR5 6000
RTX 5070 Ti
1440P ultrawide
High preset DLSS quality
Avg 161 fps on Dire Marsh

[novel notch]

I’m running borderline identical specs, but with a 7800X3D, and getting about half these frames. Probably gonna upgrade if it’s that large of a jump

[terse peak]

if you can play mind games with them you can play anything, I consistently bamboozle and confuse them into using their invis and giving up their location

[terse peak]

5700x3d, 64 gb ddr4, 1440p uw, rtx 4070 super, DLAA, 120 stable fps on all maps 🤷‍♂️

[novel notch]

literally how? Including outpost?

[echo lagoon]

yeah something seems off about that number
its a huge cpu upgrade but marathon doesnt seem to be that cpu intensive so it doesnt make sense

[novel notch]

Marathon is hella cpu intensive tho DS2 was the same

[terse peak]

yep, including outpost, maybe sometimes drops to 90ish during heat cascade/combat but super smooth and no stuttery drops or ghosting etc.

[novel notch]

That is... odd

[echo lagoon]

Really? im on a 5700x and havent noticed any cpu related issues up till now

[wheat phoenix]

yeah, tiger engine is heavily cpu-bound

[terse peak]

not sure if it matters, but I'm also recording at 808p 60fps

[novel notch]

Even when I stream or record at higher resolutions I don't see much difference if any in performance tbh

[wheat phoenix]

that'll be mostly using your GPU which should have headroom (alongside dedicated encoding hw)

[terse peak]

can you try native resolution instead of DLSS?

I swear nvidia's been vibecoding the latest drivers

[fading zinc]

I'm on a laptop with a 4070m and a 14900hx and I get 90-100 fps consistently with no stuttering/drops aside from the occasional armoury spike

[patent sage]

There's no way you're not dropping frames on Outpost while recording with those specs.. pretty sure the map during weather/heat cascade is laggy for pretty much everyone

[novel notch]

It’s about the same, I’ve already tried it. Sometimes it feels more stable, but that might be placebo

[fading zinc]

Idk if it's just a setup/config thing, because the people having issues don't seem to correlate with specs at all

[upper shale]

lmao yeah, can't wait for their dlss5

[wheat phoenix]

no, its just because the game is cpu-bound, there's lots of gpu headroom to record w/o additional drops

[novel notch]

DLSS5 Marathon would be a sight to behold (not in a good way) xp

[terse peak]

during exfil ring+ heat cascade + storm + 2 UESC shooting grenades at me and sparks, running all around, ~65fps

[novel notch]

It’s really frustrating how huge the performance difference between Perimeter and the other maps is, like, why am I hitting almost 200 on Peri, and on Dire and Outpost I’m getting as low as 60? ? ? ??

[fading zinc]

For the record I'm recording at my full 2k resolution at 60fps on a worse gpu than you and getting fine fps so it's not just you

[terse peak]

#📽️run-clips message here, drops from 80-85-90 during rain to 60ish (1-2 frames dip to 59) while sitting in the exfil ring

[upper shale]

6 trios per dire marsh game right ?

[terse peak]

• rooks

[novel notch]

Do we know how many rooks can load into a game?

[terse peak]

7-8 ish depending on map and teams dead I think?

[dusty moss]

For a bit more context, GPU utilization on the 5600X was 38% and with the 9850X3D its 71%. Funny to think I'm still CPU bound with the most performant gaming CPU in the world

[novel notch]

It’s definitely not a case of people’s CPUs being bad, it’s more so the engine being lowkey garbage

[terse peak]

what temps do you have on them?

[fading zinc]

Yeah that was what I was going to ask, my performance with marathon is basically limited by how much I let the game cook my cpu

[dusty moss]

I'll take a note to get back to you on that, I went through a whole odyssey with reinstalling Windows so I only played one round before getting off for the night lol

[sweet junco]

me and my i5 10400f 1660 super setup and 100% cpu usage while playing lmfao

[patent sage]

That's pretty bad

[dusty moss]

I can tell you now that CPU utilization was 77% on my 5600X and 58% on my 9850X3D

[terse peak]

bro, couple years ago we were fighting to get games to allow above 60 fps while their optimizations had everyone at 30, dips to ABOVE 60 are not a problem :))

[wheat phoenix]

curious how many threads/cores it was using on the new CPU

[dusty moss]

Nah I'd rather have stable 75 than yoyoing between 60 and 90

[novel notch]

That’s true, the game is still perfectly playable despite the huge drops in performance. I haven’t had issues with stutters and allat, but it’s still pretty indicative of there being a major issue with the engine

[fading zinc]

Idk I've personally had very similar performance with marathon as I have with the new ue5 games

[dusty moss]

Yeah the only games that should be scaling this hard on CPU at high resolutions are strategy and sim games, incredibly unusual for an fps to be performing like this so I hope it's a fixable problem

[fading zinc]

Which makes me think it's more an industry issue than an engine one

[terse peak]

idk, they scale well with the intensity of activity on screen and isn't as percievable as lets say...kovaaks doing microsttuters when recording nvenc and doing 600 to 500 fps drops

[novel notch]

Exactly, especially if things like enemy AI is being handled by the server, there's seemingly very little actually happening at any given moment unlike in an RTS for instance

[hollow forge]

hey im a goober and have been struggle bussing to get information on the damage difference between fully charging and just shooting some of these volt weapons can someone help me before i kermit sudoku?

[neon zephyr]

infinate untill the game wants to stop loading them

killed 12 on outpost earlier

[terse peak]

wow, spawn camping them?

[novel notch]

Bros the grim reaper

[neon zephyr]

nah thats just the ones who pushed into pinwheel bunch of them teamed up

[short coyote]

for real?

[neon zephyr]

i was so shocked i had to count bodies yeah

[short coyote]

that's actually crazy

rooks spawn between 17 mins and 9 mins iirc

[dusty moss]

My understanding is it's dynamically calculated against the teams population. If there's a massive fight that leaves half of the teams dead in the first three minutes, there's going to be a lot more rooks to keep the map alive

[left topaz]

does anyone else think the amount of supirior salvage you need for faction upgrades is a little out of control ? It's hard enough extracting with ONE let alone the 25 i need ONLY to just get to capstone IV ??

[novel notch]

This explanation makes the most sense to me. My teams have been running into seemingly more Rooks the more teams we clear, especially on Outpost

[hexed umbra]

what faction do u need 25 for cap 4? nvm u said purples not gold mb

[novel notch]

They're definitely a bit overtuned.

[left topaz]

arachne - i want the shotgun for my rook. You need ALOT of supiror salvage to get enough nodes

superior***

[hexed umbra]

yea mb i thought u meant golds, purples are very easy to find on outpost

or just lvl up the factions then every lvl up u get some purples

[left topaz]

ive been running outpost - im not getting much. I maybe fine 1 i need if im lucky

[hexed umbra]

are u rushing pinwheel asap?

[left topaz]

as best i can ... i guess i need a to be faster. Probably need to watch a few videos

[fading zinc]

The pinnacle inside the 2 red 1 yellow room usually has 1-2 purple salvage

[hexed umbra]

everytime i get into pin i normally come out with atleast 4 purples

[fading zinc]

Most of my purple salvage comes from running locked rooms with materialist+ at this point though

[novel notch]

They’re deffo not the hardest thing to get, but you need a lot of them, and it’s a lil ridiculous just how much you need to farm out. Also, W favorite game Omori is peak

[hexed umbra]

always get into the 2red 1yellow room

[hexed umbra]

i lov bagel

[terse peak]

I swear the materialist/+ stuff is crazy good for doing salvage runs, I have a near full set of materialist items

[novel notch]

babil

[fading zinc]

I do 2 wings + pinnacle and usually have 2 on average, but still not too bad

[left topaz]

i should probably LFG instead of matchmaking - ive been getting bad luck with randoms and im not good enough to carry like that

[hexed umbra]

fill is 2 assassin freekit hell

[fading zinc]

I'll never take it out on normal looting runs, it's the one thing in my vault I have gear fear over lol

[hexed umbra]

u play thief ?

[fading zinc]

Mostly assassin in solo and triage in trio, though I switch to thief occasionally

[novel notch]

I tried matchmaking for cryo... wanted to off myself

[civic charm]

I would lfg but don’t want to be a drag on the team. Lvl 32 and still don’t understand how like anything in the game works

[hexed umbra]

fair, if u wanna max loot for purps at least play her fr

[fading zinc]

Don't worry, most of your lfg teammates won't either so you'll be less of a drag than you think

[hexed umbra]

you'll get the hang of it, and a few of the lfg peeps are really friendly tbh so dont worry about that

[fading zinc]

Lfg in this game has been surprisingly chill in my experience considering the target audience

[hexed umbra]

just depends on what kinda post u join tbh

[left topaz]

its because its all the forgotten D2 crucible players and old halo heads ... we're old now lol

[fading zinc]

Lf 2 kitted sweats for cryo have experience on the map lvl 100+ preferably 1 triage
💀

[hexed umbra]

yea those ones XDD

[fading zinc]

I only join the chill posts so I could see the more competitive ones getting heated

[hexed umbra]

like the first hour of cryo "KWTD or DONT JOIN"

[quaint pumice]

great game 👍🏾

[novel notch]

trve

[versed helm]

hey guys how's it going?

I'm trying to figure out how to make it to where crossplay is disabled how does one do that?

[fading zinc]

You can't on pc atm, I think on console there's a button in the bottom left iirc

[molten kraken]

need interactible loading screen

[lunar laurel]

@fathom plinth I was chill bro

[civic charm]

No. You will stare at that moth chowing down on that strand thing and you will like it.

[wind raptor]

looking for a duo / team tryna learn the puzzles and good lot spawns would love to learn

[earnest cobalt]

try #lfc-any-zone or #1484690684190658690, gl

[terse peak]

da moth eating da

[young pebble]

[shy thorn]

spoiler alert they use strand from neptune to weave the shells and that's why the worms are green 🙂‍↕️

[brave sinew]

Just trying to get a second opinion here - do you guys always aim for headshots? Even when using like an SMG or something?

I just always aim for body shots, to make sure I get as many hits as possible, but I've been told that's probably not ideal.

[granite star]

Yes. Headshots deal a lot more damage, and generally are a lot better in terms of TTK from fights I’ve had. Even if that isn’t as easy against players, always aim for the head on bots at least.

[upper shale]

headshot has a 1.25x to 2x damage multiplier depending on the weapon, it's always worth aiming for it

[fading zinc]

Depends a lot on the weapon and your aim. You can look at the precision multiplier for a given gun in the inspect page, if aiming for the head makes you miss enough shots it may not be worth it

[sand ledge]

This but unironincally. That's my little friend. It's having a meal :)

[brave sinew]

hm, alright. So if I really want to aim at the body, I'm going to do better with low headshot mult guns. Presumably they do more damage in general to compensate?

[fading zinc]

That's generally true, though some guns are just worse than others, so I'd still take some time to compare them

[sand ledge]

I like that it was apparently important to cyberacme that the moths had serial numbers and logos and shit.

[upper shale]

I mean, HS means oneshot with that beast, so yknow at that point it no longer matters

[fading zinc]

Outland only 1 shots up to green shields

[upper shale]

I was certain blue and purple shields were also 1 poped

it's 149 base dmg iirc

[fading zinc]

It does 168 to the head and green/blue/purple are 160/180/200 respectively at full health+shields

[upper shale]

ok ok, wait we have 120 base health (+20 white shield)?

[fading zinc]

Yes, 120 + 20 per bar

[upper shale]

odd

I assumed it was 100 health and 20 per shield bars (so 120 base, not 140)

[fading zinc]

I believe it used to be 100 + 25 per shield, but they changed it like a year ago

All of this is based off of a beta changelog from a while ago and I don't know of any official info from more recently than that, but it lines up with my death screen numbers

[scarlet remnant]

120 base HP is accurate from what I know, yeah.

I really hope we get an extended end screen at some point, though.

[terse peak]

the v22 has no multi for hs, you can just bodyshot with it, others do get better damage on headshots, yes

[upper shale]

according to this, outland oneshots anything in the head. It lists its damage as 162 and having a 2.2x multiplier in the head, which tracks with my experience with it. https://marathondb.gg/weapons/outland/

[terse peak]

the "firepower" (162) is with the precision multi accounted for

[fading zinc]

According to the ingame stats sheet, it's 140 base with 1.2x prec iirc (so 168 firepower)

[lunar laurel]

@gusty cobalt brah why u do me like that

[upper shale]

really? ok

[fading zinc]

No idea where they're getting those stats

Wait is outland 2.2x? Am I stupid?

I think I'm stupid

[terse peak]

same, I want a proper extraction shooter end screen, not just a small flimsy damage breakdown that tells me nothing aside from "damage from x" where x can sometimes be 🤷‍♂️ (not even sure what damage taken from "Critical System Error" means)

[terse peak]

outland is 2.2

https://tauceti.gg/db/weapons/outland

[scarlet remnant]

It's necessary cause I think a lot of the frustration comes down to this. And also players not understanding how the guns in Marathon work - using mid range weapons for long range etc. The damage fall off in Marathon is pretty insane but also consistent.

[upper shale]

only 74 damage ? huh??

garbo if no HS ig

[scarlet remnant]

Well, that's how snipers should be in extraction shooters imo. They shouldn't be an instakill to the body like the AWP in CS for example.

It's good balancing, though it still could use tuning cause the ROF on snipers is a bit nuts.

[fading zinc]

Nah it's definitely realistic to accurately shoot a bolt action rifle once every second

[terse peak]

dps is like 53 so it shoots like 2 times in 3 seconds, I think it's still rather fast

[scarlet remnant]

3 shots in a second with the same precision on the base sniper!

[fading zinc]

The Longshot or the hardline?

[scarlet remnant]

Longshot, the Hardline is a DMR.

[terse peak]

hardline is dmr not sniper

[scarlet remnant]

I'm just not fond of the "sniper as secondary" meta so I might be a bit biased towards snipers lol.

[fading zinc]

What's the rof on the Longshot? I didn't think it was 180

[terse peak]

I like the v66&v11 combo vs uesc, but for close quarters pvp I think v22 can outshine v11

[scarlet remnant]

120, so 3 times what the Outland does.

Which, imo, is a bit too much for a sniper in an extraction shooter.

[scarlet remnant]

For me the V11 is the best secondary in the game that I always carry and I will die on that hill haha. I love that little pocket nuke.

[terse peak]

two shots a second with 149 hs damage is kinda nutty, arguably you can insta delete someone by doing bodyshot followed by recoil led headshot

[fading zinc]

The longshot is listed as semiautomatic, I could believe a futuristic automatic action being able to actuate twice as quickly as modern ones

For balancing reasons 120 rpm seems bad, but lore wise it seems fine to me

[scarlet remnant]

Well, but balance-wise is the more important aspect in an extraction shooter.

[fading zinc]

Oh yeah I agree, I was just comparing it to my comment about the outland being unrealistic

[keen ivy]

Started using it more and more instead of free kits and it shreds

Strong, fast, and great distance

[scarlet remnant]

I started using it more after experiencing it properly on Rook runs and it's quite insane. It's good at mid range for precision and close range for spamability.

[terse peak]

gold shield max hp is 200, right? so theoretically longshot body+recoil on head shots can have .71s ttk on gold shield, no?

[fading zinc]

I've never gotten into the v11, I think I just don't like semiauto at that range

[autumn knoll]

I like the dystopian ass affirmation when you spawn in. Really emphasize the whole « you’re technically immortal and are losing your memory and mind bit by bit but you got this king » vibe

[keen ivy]

it shreds through even higher tier shields. Give it a try !

[scarlet remnant]

For me its the accuracy and the speed at which it deletes even purple shields.

[terse peak]

all's nice and dandy until "affirmation: you are going to die."

[fading zinc]

Yeah I know it should in theory, I think it's just a skill issue. Every time I've used it in pvp I've ended up wishing I had a bully

[keen ivy]

I'm even thinking of getting the new Logitech Superstrike mouse, to see if I can fire even faster with its rapid trigger

[autumn knoll]

« assert: you can do it » as if a thief isn’t objective camping and ready to maul my ass with a thermal sniper

[scarlet remnant]

I don't think that would work cause every semiauto gun in the game has a short delay between each shot even if you try to spam it. Thankfully tbh, these kinds of features fucked up earlier ARC PVP.

[terse peak]

Sometimes the bipolar messages Oni sends us makes me think that she's also sorta rampant

[autumn knoll]

ONI has got to be the weakest AI bro she got her link severed by Orion only for him to shit talk us

[fading zinc]

Does it actually let you fire at the full 600 rpm? That also may be part of my issue, I doubt I'm clicking at 10 cps

[keen ivy]

Yeah I have to give it a try with my current mouse first, see if there's room for faster clicks

[keen ivy]

Haven't tried very hard yet to see how fast I can spam it

[fading zinc]

Usually my normal cps cap is like 6 without butterfly/dragging, so if 600 is a real rof I assume I'm missing out on like half the dps

[keen ivy]

But with the Logitech Superstrike tech in theory you could ADS when touching the click, and firing when pressing further, still faster that right clicking

[terse peak]

tbh I switched from razer viper mini with some horribly hard switches to an op1 8k v2 with some of the chillest switches, my cps is around 7 and it has been consistent between the viper mini and the op1, on the viper mini it sometimes fell to ~6 and with op1 it somestimes goes to nearly 8(in gx speed mode). I doubt the hardware matters more than the speed at which we can move our fingers (I can't hit 10cps and I'm fine with that)

[fading zinc]

For me it's a hand thing yeah, I physically can't do more even on a touchscreen

[scarlet remnant]

I have the Zowie EC1-DW and my cps averages at around 8-8.5. But it really is up to you and your inherent ability to click - unless there's an additional feature on the mouse for that of course.

[fading zinc]

For some things I can just switch to butterflying, but aiming while adsed isn't very conducive to that

I don't even know how dragging would work in a game like this, maybe it's worth trying

[loud tartan]

G502 power

[scarlet remnant]

Though I stick to around 7 cps cause 8 and more is me trying too much and it's not comfortable for my grip style.

[terse peak]

i have the claw/fingertip hybrid grip and going past 7.5 is doable but requires I go full aggro claw

[fading zinc]

My mouse has hardware that could double click, but I assume that kind of thing is against the rules

[frosty topaz]

G502 is for MEN

[fading zinc]

@frosty topaz if literally anyone would know it would be you

[scarlet remnant]

I either do relaxed claw grip or full palm grip. With relaxed claw I can get to the 7.5-8 consistently, with palm I average at 6.5. The 6.5 is more comfortable on my finger, though. Anything above 7 starts being uncomfortable after a while.

[frosty topaz]

G502 is not like little baby lightweight mouse for weak baby hands g502 is heavy for MEN

[terse peak]

g502 makes me feel like I'm hitting the gym when I hit the flick

[keen ivy]

G703 gang

[frosty topaz]

like a MAN

[civic charm]

Falls under accessibility usage. Bungie doesn’t care about macros unless it’s afk loot farming macros.

[scarlet remnant]

I will get skinned for this but the G502 is one of the most uncomfortable mice I've ever held. 😭

[fading zinc]

Hmm, good to know, I was under the impression they'd been cracking down on macros lately

[frosty topaz]

that must be because you have little baby hands for babies

[civic charm]

When I talked to dmg about it in regards to d2 this is what I was told.

[scarlet remnant]

The EC1 that I have is around the same size, I just do not like the shape at all.

[civic charm]

They also told me I’m exempt from that rule anyways so ymmv 🤣

[frosty topaz]

i cant click at 600rpm but even at half that fire rate its still a fantastic weapon

[fading zinc]

I'm sure you singlehandedly increased the raid/dungeon accessibility in d2 a decent amount, so fair enough

[frosty topaz]

like white / green shield goes from 0.3 to 0.6 at half thr fire rate which is still faster than most of the guns

[civic charm]

9m checkpoints shared. Yeah. Probably (and only 1m of those are shuro chi)

[scarlet remnant]

The V11 is a beast and the best secondary to have

Even as a primary it excels.

[terse peak]

I have a friend that uses g502 as daily driver for multimedia tasks but the superlight 2 for gaming, he says that after switching to superlight 2 for gaming he can't even think of going back to the weight of the 502 as he feels much more consistent with the superlight

[frosty topaz]

whenever i get a bad gun from free kit i rest easy bc ik a bot will have a v11 for me somewhere

[scarlet remnant]

My specific user case is that I want a big mouse but light. EC1-DW is perfect for me cause it's huge but also only 60g.

[frosty topaz]

oh i see he needs £150 mouse with less features because the weight is too heavy like little baby

[civic charm]

After searching for YEARS for a mouse with a scroll wheel that isn’t crap the best mfg I found has been Glorious

[scarlet remnant]

This is the Traxus kit for me. Goodbye iron sights Hardline, welcome grey Punch.

[frosty topaz]

(i actuallt use a g305 and have a g502 spare)

[frosty topaz]

funny you say that bc my glorious the right click and mouse wheel went instantly

[terse peak]

bro is 100kg 1.85m mma fighter that hits the gym daily =)) ergonomics matter no matter the muscle mass

[frosty topaz]

g502 is one of the most ergonomic mive there is

[unkempt mango]

Are they gonna do smth about those cheaters on Diremarsh?

[frosty topaz]

which is why its also the most popular outside of fps games

[civic charm]

Only scroll wheel that doesn’t miss or double input 😭

One day I will learn to change weapons another way but after 25yr of pc gaming I doubt it’ll be anytime soon

[scarlet remnant]

Not to me cause of how narrow it's in the back. My natural grip leans to the left and there's no support for my palm on that side of the 502.

[frosty topaz]

leans to the LEFT?? that sounds like carpal tunnel waiting to happen

[scarlet remnant]

Leans is probably the wrong word for it lol.

It's just that I like when a mouse has wider base for the palm.

[civic charm]

Try claw grip to see if it works better for you

[frosty topaz]

fair as long as you can hit your shots comfortably it really doesnt matter

[scarlet remnant]

relaxed claw is the way to go for me

[frosty topaz]

im only trolling about the MAN HANDS shi

[scarlet remnant]

I HAVE BIG MAN HANDS OKAY LEAVE ME ALONE

[frosty topaz]

though tbh buying a £150 mouse when it has less stuff on it is bonkers

thats not a user fault thats logitech

[scarlet remnant]

For me it boils down to the build quality. Cause the Zowie wireless mice are that expensive but they also feel extremely well made compared to pretty much every other brand I've used. The plastic feels good, hard, and premium.

[civic charm]

Is ok. I have tiny girl hands. It balances out 💅

[frosty topaz]

i watch a battlefield pro that uses the ec2

idk i like my g305 and only hope they make an updated one

[terse peak]

i have smol hands with choky sausage fingers

[scarlet remnant]

I like that they make the same mouse in 3 different sizes. I tried all three and settled on the biggest one cause it fits my relaxed claw/palm the best.

It's been my go to for over a decade now lol, across its several iterations.

[frosty topaz]

fair, at least irs not glorious who are overrated asf

[scarlet remnant]

coughrazercough

[frosty topaz]

razer too

[civic charm]

Not sure if that’d be better or worse. I’m over here with the small hands salad fingers combo 😭

[scarlet remnant]

Don't get me wrong, I like Razer's shapes. But the build quality is god awful for the price.

[civic charm]

Friends don’t let friends buy razer products.

[scarlet remnant]

The original Deathadder was about the perfect shape. Then they changed it with the V3 and it became unusable for me.

[frosty topaz]

tbh for mice i recommend logitech and like, redragon and thats about it

[terse peak]

deathadder mini was gold

shape wise/ergonomics at least

[scarlet remnant]

I think that's why I like the EC1 so much, cause it's very close to the original Deathadder shape but taller.

[frosty topaz]

thing is that logitech mice are good and they have plenty of budget options so its tough to not recommend them

[scarlet remnant]

And also doesn't feel like cheap plastic.

Razer's offerings feel like they should be $100 at best for the premium stuff, but they're double that.

[civic charm]

Reddragon is the bottom of the barrel half step up from the Amazon word vomit no name brands 😭

[frosty topaz]

its cheap thats why i recommend

most people dont have £100+ for a good mouse

[civic charm]

Logitech has a $30 gaming mouse that’s pretty good. I don’t remember the model

[frosty topaz]

tbh spending over like £40 on a mouse is pretty nuts

[scarlet remnant]

Mouse is a good investment to make, especially if you play often. BUT it can also be painful to find the right one cause you can't try most of them before buying and then have to go through the returning and whatnots. It took me years until I settled on mine.

But I think people also in general overthink it.

[frosty topaz]

but then if youre still in the stage of trying you should go fot cheaper ones

[scarlet remnant]

You absolutely do not need a $100+ mouse to be "good".

[frosty topaz]

no ik

[scarlet remnant]

I was just adding to my last statement, I agree with what you're saying.

[frosty topaz]

thats why i recommend redragon and logitech

[dusty burrow]

I was thinking abt buying a vertical mouse, but idk if I would get used to it

[scarlet remnant]

Well, apart from the reddragon rec, but hey, to each their own haha.

[frosty topaz]

theres no gaming vert mice so dont bother

[civic charm]

I just like high quality out of a product I’m using up to 12-14hr a day 😭

[frosty topaz]

redragon has a couple good ones

they also have the cheapest 4khz mouse iirc at like, £40

[scarlet remnant]

That's it for me, too.

[frosty topaz]

i liked the titanoboa 2 but they dont make it anymore

[civic charm]

There’s a handful of them from niche boutique vendors.

Not many. Not affordable. Not easy to find. They do exist.

[scarlet remnant]

Anyway, it was nice chatting with y'all, I have to work. 🥲 Have a good one and skin some runners for me.

[frosty topaz]

just buy an ergo mouse and call it a day

[dusty burrow]

isnt that what a vertical mouse is?

[civic charm]

Only one getting skinned here is me 😭😭😭

-# I am so bad at this game. Plz carry

[frosty topaz]

i thought ergo mice were ones were the hump slops down on the right side

[scarlet remnant]

Nope, ergonomic mouse refers to the shape that is shaped to accomodate the palm/grip fully. Vertical is a standing mouse that you hold "sideways". Two different things.

Vertical mice are terrible for gaming imo, and if you're not already used to one it might take you literal years to readjust.

[fading zinc]

Yeah my redragon was one of the better mice I've had, the build quality was surprisingly good for the price and the resistance wasn't awful

Definitely wouldn't stand up to a $100+ mouse though

[civic charm]

But how else would I rp persona 3 mc while at the same time pwning noobs? https://a.co/d/0a0PNQ1O

[frosty topaz]

yeah so usually its sloped right?

[frosty topaz]

tbh a lot of £100+ mice are also crap

[scarlet remnant]

Yep

[frosty topaz]

im gonna be honest i dont like the superlights

[scarlet remnant]

Okay work can wait because of superlight slander - I AGREE

the most overrated mouse ever imo lol

[civic charm]

I was just about to ask aren’t you supposed to be going back to work? 🤣

[frosty topaz]

i hate the shape and theyre EXPENSIVE

also im at work too so dw

[terse peak]

huh, anyone else sometimes get finished before the bar fully goes red? I traded with a guy and we kept bumping each other while downed and at some point I just got insta gibbed with like 1/3rd of the bar remaining

[scarlet remnant]

I roleplay the Persona 3 MC after losing a run (for legal reasons this is a bit)

[scarlet remnant]

Yep, definitely had that happen a couple times even when there was nothing damaging me.

[scarlet remnant]

To be fair I thought there will be more work today and there is none. 😂

[civic charm]

Imagine having a job. I couldn’t 😭

[fading zinc]

Is it possible you got shot by something?

[frosty topaz]

me too!!!

[frosty topaz]

jobs are evil ill keep paying taxes for you bro 🙏

[terse peak]

nope, nothing, we were just bumping into each other both on the ground and it popped as if he'd finished me off

[frosty topaz]

"bumping into each other on the ground"? maybe you got mpregged

[fading zinc]

Weird

[frosty topaz]

mpreg in mpregathon

[scarlet remnant]

I had a funny Rook experience when it comes to trading kills yesterday.

So I downed a full purple team in the Pinwheel yesterday (yep, V11 my beloved). Before I could loot there's another Rook who instantly comes in blasting. We trade. I had a self res, though. As soon as I started reviving he goes "aw man, we could've looted together". And at that point I just yell: "MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YOU STARTED FIRING FIRST????"

Why are Rooks like this. 😭

[civic charm]

Death by scissoring

[frosty topaz]

literally arc raiders players

[scarlet remnant]

I lowkey dislike ARC's community because of the PVE entitlement. Otherwise a great game but the community drives me insane.

[frosty topaz]

its just annoying, you shoot first, i win and then you get pissy when i kill you

like stfu

or they wiggle left and right like no dont kill me :(((

i am about to kill you 40 times over you lil bih

[scarlet remnant]

Exactly. You wanted to shoot me so commit to it. If you failed, especially after firing the first shot, that's all on you buddy. Blame yourself.

[frosty topaz]

it was really common in dmz in cod too and id always use a really brutal finisher on them

[scarlet remnant]

I like that Marathon cuts voice as soon as you finish someone off fully, so you don't have to listen to the whining for too long.

[civic charm]

I’ll sometimes fire a single shot to gauge friendliness. If they shoot back it’s on. If they try to gtfo I’ll let them go as there’s no honor in that kill 😅

[frosty topaz]

"ill shoot someone to see if theyre friendly" is the dumbest thing ive ever read

would you do that in real life too? 😭😭😭

[civic charm]

Surprisingly it works lmao. Have had more positive enemy runner experiences that way vs prox chat

[frosty topaz]

i just do the universal friend dance of crouching up and down

meanwhike this guy is the first persom to dive straight into the bag of a guy YOU killed

[rose mirage]

15k player online，I feel so sad。Matchmaking takes too long. My friends have all left this game. bungie not fix bug or ban cheater。pro player are all vip I'm still racking my brains for purple materials.😫

[frosty topaz]

the game is like 3 seconds old bro 🥀

[civic charm]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[rose mirage]

but I found a cheater，he play 200+ hours not ban。even use marathon make money

[civic charm]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[frosty topaz]

there will always be cheaters as long as the internet exists

[crystal coral]

I love this game but Bungie set a death squad to kill all my friends so I like it a little less

[terse peak]

you can report them in game

[frosty topaz]

as long as games exist

[civic charm]

Sorry wrong copypasta. https://safety.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/42347863077268-Report-Suspected-Cheating-and-Poor-Behavior

[rose mirage]

all player report them。They even posted their IDs in the community. But it was to no avail; he still wasn't banned.

[scarlet remnant]

I've played for 150+ hours at this point and don't think I've once met a player I could with a certainty tell was a cheater.

Not saying this person is not a cheater, but you have the tools in-game to report them. 🤷‍♂️

[civic charm]

Posting the names of players on our forums whom you suspect of cheating is a violation of our Code of Conduct and may result in a forum ban. We do not want a witch hunt in case they're innocent, and our Security Team does not monitor our forums in any capacity. Players should use the contact form below to report any suspected cheating.

[terse peak]

same, there have been shady situations for sure but none where I could go "yeah, 100% cheating"

[scarlet remnant]

Yeah, I have the odd person insta turning towards me even though I'm sure they couldn't have heard me, but I chalk it up to noise anyway.

[scarlet remnant]

I am lucky enough to have most of it on home office, but the prospect of doing this until I'm 65+ is not good hahahaahahah

[autumn knoll]

I wish I had a work from home job bruh I hate customers

[civic charm]

I worked from home since 2014, but got laid off in the first big round of tech layoffs in 2022

[autumn knoll]

Worked customer care for 6 months was enough to drive me insane

[scarlet remnant]

Sorry to hear that

[earnest hound]

lol nah, it's pretty obvious when people cheat, like people miraculously turning around and sniping you with pin point precision even tho you're like 100m away on top of a building behind something with only your head sticking out

[scarlet remnant]

You have my respect, I worked customer stuff as summer jobs when I was a teen and it was AWFUL

[civic charm]

Dunno why you’re sorry. Destiny community has been paying my bills since… it’s not going so well at the moment tho 😭

[scarlet remnant]

Fair lol

[autumn knoll]

Just know it was abroad in Portugal, if i had a « idgaf » mentality it would have been holidays all year round for me but unfortunately people can get very mean

[autumn knoll]

wait you’re the guy who made the d2checkpoint website? Just know it has been incredibly useful when trying to farm bosses ty for ur work 🫡

I heard the guy who made the Braytech website is having a tough time too :(

[civic charm]

tom brings in 7x more and my server costs are 10x more 😭😭😭

and I thought I was bad with money 🥲

[autumn knoll]

I’m surprised Bungie don’t hire people like y’all

[scarlet remnant]

OH that's where I heard about you from haha. I am pretty out of touch with the Destiny/Bungie community now.

[civic charm]

all this good will in the Bungie community… now if only I can figure out how to turn some of this into marathon carries (because I am very, very bad at the game)

[scarlet remnant]

I am very good at the game (not really lmao)

[frosty topaz]

wait they ARE????

@civic charm im in the server too, thank you for helping me grind 4 million weapon levels at shuro chi

[civic charm]

https://parallel.report you can search for ppl here if you’re ever curious who made what in the d2 comm

[civic charm]

❤️

[frosty topaz]

can u set up a checkpoint in cryo archive so we can play it all week? 🙏

[civic charm]

https://marathoncheckpoint.com/

Oh damn. I didn’t set up the redirect on that lol

[scarlet remnant]

How many times have y'all managed to get out of Cryo?

[frosty topaz]

yes

[autumn knoll]

left my pc to go pee, comes back, wifi driver is completely gone from my pc 👍

I hate that wifi card bro out of ALL of them I got the most faulty one

[civic charm]

Most motherboards and laptops use an m.2 or mini pcie WiFi card (motherboard are frequently hidden under metal RF shield)

They’re not very hard to swap

[autumn knoll]

i'll upgrade to a desktop later this year anyway

[scarlet remnant]

Speaking of tech issues, my microphone died yesterday mid-session. 😭

[autumn knoll]

mine simply doesn't get recognized in game no matter how much I try. I might need to mess with the settings on my pc

or use a third party app like voicemod

[civic charm]

Imagine not having an xlr mic with preamp and pro sound card

Also I have never used VC in the game. I am the literal worst.

[scarlet remnant]

Mic? Check the audio settings cause Marathon sometimes selects the wrong output by default.

[scarlet remnant]

I am poor

[autumn knoll]

i am poorer

[civic charm]

Mood. Most of this is hand me downs from friends in music production 😅

[placid oak]

Game is good, brothers and sisters. It all clicked for me yesterday. This is the only good extraction shooter.

[frosty topaz]

thats not hard tbh

[scarlet remnant]

BUT I messaged the support of the maker of my headset and they already sent out a replacement mic (it's a removable one for headphones).

[wispy gyro]

I love this game let it live for years to come please Bungo

[autumn knoll]

I have a tonor q9 and the bad boy laster 5 good years I think it's time for him to retire imo

[frosty topaz]

every extraction shooter sucks in some way so its not hard for this to be the only good one

[civic charm]

Don’t worry. Watch Justin Truman’s GDC 2022 talk. Bungie doesn’t care about position. Bungie cares about velocity

[frosty topaz]

i have a razer seiren mini and like £20 headphones

[autumn knoll]

Arc Raiders next content update is most likely going to be the same map but with snow/storms and I think it's genuinely funny

[civic charm]

Position is your player numbers and sales. Velocity is how quickly you can turn it around and iterate it into the perfect game.

[scarlet remnant]

And Marathon was always bound to have "low" player numbers given its hardcore nature.

[civic charm]

Sony bought Bungie for this kind of knowledge and experience. Not the games they make.

[scarlet remnant]

ARC is an exception in the extraction shooter genre when it comes to numbers.

[autumn knoll]

Twitter experts see below 100k numbers and call games dead nowadays

[scarlet remnant]

Having the steam chart on speed dial and constantly use that as an argument is certainly a choice

[autumn knoll]

Sony knows Bungie makes cash on the long run, that's why they bought them

[terse peak]

didn't arc have a bug where cheaters could churn accounts without owning the game?

[scarlet remnant]

ARC has had so many glitches so far that it's hilarious

[civic charm]

I think what all the people with hateboners staring at the steam charts and grok analytics are missing is that, Sony didn’t buy them for their game or upcoming game. They bought them for their experience. And one of the most important things Bungie has learned through years of live service is that your position matters far less than your velocity.

Position is launch sales, player counts, review scores. Velocity is how fast you can move, react, and iterate. How quickly can you respond to player sentiment and get a patch triaged and shipped? Can you turn that around weekly? In 24 hours? How fast can you take where you are today and close the gap to where the game needs to be?

So whatever. Launch probably wasn't that great. They started from a rough spot and are ramping up velocity in response

-# This is not ChatGPT output -- I'm just like this.

[scarlet remnant]

Like getting into key rooms without keys, infinite ammo, out of bounds glitch where you can shoot through walls, etc.

[autumn knoll]

Marathon allegedly sold 1.2M copies since launch. If it keeps growing over time + in game purchases they'll make their money back in 1 year +

[hexed falcon]

We need some actual dope skins I would happily buy one at this point

Thief skin is a great start

[placid oak]

I have deleted twitter and all similar social media. It's all real time tabloid rags and slop dispensers. There's nothing social about it. EVE Online has been alive for 20 years and it has 20-30k players

[civic charm]

Those numbers are so wrong it hurts. Tassi used a source that’s literally banned from forums I moderate for making up numbers based off number of reviews and number of trophies/achievements.

[quiet depot]

i bought 7 times same dongler to show there is LUX to be bought

[scarlet remnant]

I think that Marathon is in a good place. I do think that Bungie somewhat shot themselves in the leg by requesting for the review hold, cause that's where a lot of sales come from and the game would have stronger momentum on launch imo. BUT regardless of that, I think it'll be just fine. The doom&gloom around this game from people who haven't even touched it is insane.

[autumn knoll]

ouch, Tassi using a banned source? knowing he works for Forbes, that's odd

[frosty topaz]

ive seen some absokute horrible forbes headlines ngl

[civic charm]

Not the first time I, or another D2 api dev have called him out for reporting bad data. Man has no integrity. Just pumps out slop for Forbes.com as fast as possible.

[terse peak]

Marathon is fine, the launch was a success, Bungie shipped a game, the playerbase is healthy enough, they just need to keep people engaged and give it time

[frosty topaz]

forbes itself is wrong a lot too

[civic charm]

Just kinda pathetic when a forum has more journalistic integrity than a Forbes.com writer.

[frosty topaz]

think some years ago i saw an xbox article that was completely wrong

also had like a ps4 for the thumbnail or some shi

[frosty topaz]

i mean not to try and bring real world politics into things but lets be honest journalistic integrity and honesty isnt really a thing anymore

[civic charm]

Trust > Retention > Revenue is Bungie’s model.

[scarlet remnant]

Tassi is a hack but he also knows what works on the general gaming community, hence why his headlines are the way they are. Regardless of if accurate or not. They will get people to talk about them and check them out, and that's ultimately all he cares about.

[civic charm]

We’re currently building trust. Then comes retention.

[scarlet remnant]

As a professional journalist myself I think that's the wrong approach.

[frosty topaz]

wait until someone pays you big money yo write about their opinion and not the facts and see if you can say the same thing lmao

[scarlet remnant]

That was attempted several times. Key word attempted.

[civic charm]

It’s more of the pressure to get an article out the door because there’s 20 jobless hungry writers eager to fill that slot.

[fickle briar]

So I gifted the deluxe edition to my partner via steam, however they do not have the "deluxe" edition in the game, we submitted a ticket a week ago and still no reply, where can I go to get support now ? @spare citrus ?

[frosty topaz]

well youve done better than most of fox news already

[scarlet remnant]

That's a very low bar to be fair lmao

[civic charm]

Forbes.com is not forbes and anyone can submit articles to the website.

People mix that up a lot. (Works in my favor tho when I mention I’ve been written about in Forbes.com lmao)

[terse peak]

man I srsly don't understand what's happening on the traxus armory page, FPS just drops to 10 without any changes in resources used or anything

[spare hound]

Corrupted files?

[scarlet remnant]

Nah, that's a thing most people on PC are experiencing from what I know.

[terse peak]

doubt it is corrupted files, it's pretty widespread

[scarlet remnant]

Even on console afaik.

[granite tinsel]

20 different weapon models in the UI

[frosty topaz]

i mean youre talkint about bugs when they still havent fixed you being able to get into last wish with the under map glitch

[civic charm]

Go from 180 to below 30 lol

[random gale]

It wasnt like this before cryo dropped

[terse peak]

nah, it pretty much happening the most when you scroll down to the mods, specifically as the prestige mod in the middle pops into view I get like 9 fps

[granite tinsel]

I have since the Server Slam

[scarlet remnant]

We're too poor to get it so the game reminds us of it harshly

[granite tinsel]

Every weapon in the UI is rendered. It's not a png. That's why it drops. Try scrolling your armory filled with weapons to the brim.

[spare hound]

Are you keeping track of all usage? As in CPU, GPU, ram and storage?

[terse peak]

yes

[granite tinsel]

you just can't because you need to take into account all the cosmetic combos, charms, stickers, skins, etc.

unless you want to see the default weapon

[spare hound]

Honesty if you got the time and you are really bothered by it, reinstal marathon and that might fix it. Really hard to fix a problem when i didn't experience it myself

Or even come up with a solution at that

[granite tinsel]

or make a system that renders the weapon when you open the tab, generates a .png, and then goes back to rendering only while hovering over the icon

[terse peak]

not related:
#📽️run-clips message

it has absolutely nothing to do with the models

[winter yacht]

are # of trio and # of solo spawns per map the same?

[terse peak]

no, pretty sure there's quite a few more solos than trio squads

[civic charm]

AFAIK. My rattin ass is counting exfils and I’m generally pretty spot on in knowing when I’m the last solo in the lobby.

[scarlet remnant]

I know when I'm the last player/squad on Outpost - there's usually 6 Rooks hunting my ass at that point

[winter yacht]

so using outpost as an example, 4 trios can spawn in trio mode as well as some rooks.
but outpost solos is also 4? or no?

[scarlet remnant]

I think that on outpost it's 5-6 spawns. So 5-6 players solo or teams

Rooks spawn at any point under the 17 minute marker.

[frosty topaz]

thats way less ppl in solo

5 players vs 15

[sour pendant]

Controller Runners, what sensitivity/ads/curve are you guys playing with?

[winter yacht]

is there anywhere where this data is definitively stated by Bungie? all these mixed answers are concerning.

[scarlet remnant]

As far as I know, no. It's all estimated data by the community. Dunno what's concerning about it, though.

[winter yacht]

4, 5, 6 are very different answers

[scarlet remnant]

Just skin them all

[frosty topaz]

how about 6, 7?

[scarlet remnant]

Doesn't matter if there's 4 or 6 bodies on the ground 🫡

[civic charm]

Bearki interview with Joe Z for number of teams.

[autumn knoll]

whatever you do do NOT look up the latest post of the super mario galaxy movie account on twitter

[scarlet remnant]

I'm glad there's a chat like this in here cause my ass CANNOT keep up with the speed of the general chat lmao

[frosty topaz]

general chat is where the evil people go

[winter yacht]

since there exists no shooting range and Bungie hasn't said anything about one, is there a way to practice with the guns outside of just bringing them into raid? i've literally never used half of them cuz i'm already bad, i don't need my only defense to be something i hate using.
I checked Kovaak's, but it doesn't have any presets or playlists for Marathon. any other suggestions?

[rain tree]

literally tho... strange place

[scarlet remnant]

Rook runs or sponsored kits, that's pretty much the only way currently. Without the fear of losing yours I mean.

[lunar juniper]

there are 4 teams on outpost including yourself when you spawn

[terse peak]

anything destiny

[tawdry moss]

dont have loss of loot fear jump in the game and play. the loot you have now you will likely laugh at being attatched to it in like a week. Get the time in playing.

[dry trout]

Cryo cryo cryo

Now what do u think?

[rain tree]

It would be nice to know how a gun shoots before dying to not knowing how it works tho

But I am a fervent anti gear fearer

[dry trout]

Firing range needed fs. I got s circuit breaker last night and I wanna learn how to use b4 bringing it

[tawdry moss]

Yeah but really its not that deep shoot a few bots and see if its burst/auto/or semi, Get a feel for it and yoiu good

[dry trout]

Nah give me a firing range

[tawdry moss]

yeah firing range would be awesome

[scarlet remnant]

I actually agree with this lol. I would appreciate a firing range, but the guns in Marathon really are not rocket science.

[winter yacht]

if i can't buy a gun cuz schema extracts have been busted since launch, how am i supposed to test it if i dont own it

[rain tree]

fair point. I generally like to avoid making too much sound tho

[dry trout]

Me to

[scarlet remnant]

You don't. That's kind of the point of extraction shooters that you only get to use what you accomplish.

[dry trout]

It’s not apex lol

[tawdry moss]

If you could just try all the guns also it would take a lot of the mystique out of the game imo, shooting range would be awesome to try the guns you have though

[frosty topaz]

when are they adding greg shell to marton

[scarlet remnant]

I dunno, but they're removing the Punch tomorrow 🙁

[frosty topaz]

ill punch bungie

[winter yacht]

excuse me?? why 😭

[scarlet remnant]

It's a joke haha

[winter yacht]

okay cuz fr best gun in the game

[scarlet remnant]

I always carry it as a secondary

[frosty topaz]

good man

[scarlet remnant]

I'm hoping I get to the 25 exfils on Cryo this weekend. Cause I need that snowflake emblem.

[frosty topaz]

you wont

you suck 🥀

[scarlet remnant]

I'm at 15/25 😎

[frosty topaz]

and you wont get another one, you suck 🥀

[copper anchor]

LMAOOOOO ALL THE MARATHON HATE TWEETS WERE PAID

[scarlet remnant]

I do, that's true

[frosty topaz]

you'll die so much that 15/25 will go back to 0/25

[copper anchor]

https://x.com/MathRockSucked/status/2037147398091264218

[frosty topaz]

you'll get NEGATIVE extractions

[scarlet remnant]

I will be exclusively running Punch in both slots therefore I cannot die

[tawdry moss]

I think that might be bait, But yeah seams plausible the hate is weird af.

[frosty topaz]

how are you gonna make the 5k loadout requirement with the cheapest gun in the game

[scarlet remnant]

Purple shield and backpack take that to 3k already.

I mean, I had a run where a guy joined with nothing but a punch and 10 ranked chips to get the ante lmao

[copper anchor]

prob but it would be funny if true

[winter yacht]

pack full of consumables and throwables, duh

[frosty topaz]

pack full of v11s 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[scarlet remnant]

That would be like 500, take it or leave it

[frosty topaz]

you can never have enough v11s

[autumn knoll]

a destroyer in crew fill just dropped two blue shields for the free kits

I love you destroyers

[frosty topaz]

average destroyer being a good team player moment

[scarlet remnant]

I've been doing that with green shields whenever I get vault overflow, I love that people started doing it more and more often

[frosty topaz]

if it was an assassin they would have a pack full of shields and not think about even dropping a single credit for their team mates

[meager shell]

What am I even gaining progress wise if I go in and die 10x in a row and my never even complete my contract?

[tawdry moss]

Game sense, Fun I dunno

[frosty topaz]

experience 🔥

[neon oasis]

yea experience. Extraction shooters always have a high skill floor

[crystal coral]

I think ideally you'll try to learn from your deaths and iterate until you're more successful

[scarlet remnant]

The harsh reality is that extraction shooters can take upwards of hundreds of hours for you to click with. They're hardcore by nature.

Unless you have prior experience with Tarkov or Hunt that is.

[tawdry moss]

Also it doesnt mean anything its virtual loot/skins.cosmetics. YOur not gaining anything even if your the best player in the world and getting best loot, If your not having fun your wasting your time.

[scarlet remnant]

I like ARC but it also gave the wider gaming community the wrong idea about extraction shooters.

[autumn knoll]

fucking bums who leave BEFORE you clutch the 1v3 i'll never forgive you

[meager shell]

@crystal coral I get that but I think that could be a major problem. No safe pocket you never get that constant progress, then in game I feel like when I get back to the menu I just lost that time. I don't even mind dying a bunch, I'm not good. I don't plan on being good but the game needs to give a bit to keep you pushing forward and I can see why the player count is struggling. It's never gonna retain new players like this.

[autumn knoll]

the game is doing just fine

[tawdry moss]

What about faction progress and upgrades that surely can be seen as progress, I know I have fun doing those.

[lucid marsh]

So do subroutines reset or nah?

[crystal coral]

I think free kits give you plenty of a safe pocket honestly. Do a few easy faction contracts and they give you loot, plus with some faction upgrades you can get free meds and shields every single day but that can only help out so much if you're trying to fight every bot on the map or something, you have a lot of agency in determining how successful your run will be

[scarlet remnant]

Marathon gives you plenty of free stuff from rewards and daily free armory stuff. On top of that you have Sponsored kits and Rook runs, which are another risk free options - as in you're not losing anything from your vault.

[crystal coral]

Rook runs my beloved 💖

[compact badge]

That lowkey Happened to me way too many times in crew fill

[scarlet remnant]

It's always the sponsored kits who leave as soon as they die lol

[autumn knoll]

So solo runs on dire marsh is just mw2019 all over again with people camping and aiming down sights not moving a hair until someone passes by. it's genuinely sad

[frosty topaz]

guys have they found evidence of australia yet

[autumn knoll]

dude is level SEVENTY NINE AND KITTED and left

[frosty topaz]

australia isnt real

[scarlet remnant]

Dire is genuinely the only unfun experience in the game for me right now.

I hate that 70 % of contracts are there seemingly lol.

[autumn knoll]

Yeah, especially solos. Dire Marsh is a complex map, it's not bad, but it's not good either

[keen ivy]

That session must have been the last straw on a very bad series of losses :p

[autumn knoll]

I downed two people MYSELF before he could even leave, that guy is just an impatient bum and is as annoying as bald wraiths in apex

I got downed, SELF REZZED AND WIPED THE 3V1 AND THIS STUPID ASS DECIDED IT WAS A GOOD TIME TO LEAVE

[meager shell]

@crystal coral that's one thing I been trying to determine how it works is PvE. Do they endlessly spawn? Some areas I feel like I'll sneak kill a few but it seems like they never stop coming to let you loot in peace.

[crystal coral]

It can depend on the map but bots spawn in waves. Usually a message will pop up, ONI will mention incoming reinforcements and then they'll pull up in drop ships. The more bots you kill in one area the harder it'll become because the waves get increasingly stronger

[frosty topaz]

when are they adding tony hawk shell to marton

why cant i shred for mida 🔥🔥

[spare hound]

From my own experience you have about 2-3 minutes before they start spawning again and can get really annoying if a engagement draws out in time

[queen falcon]

I don't know how you guys are having such a hard time on Dire Marsh....are you guys like sprinting around to the hot POI's, sprinting through the middle of the map, or what? I have RARELY(like once or twice) been shot at by a sniper in that map since launch. Most of my deaths on that map come from being outplayed, caught off guard, or third-partied. So I don't know what you're doing to run into all of these thermal snipers.

[latent nova]

we all crouch walk the borders of the big M

[meager shell]

Thanks for the info. Trying to give the game a fair crack , but I often feel like if I played 4-5 matches and never even completed my contract and never exfil what did I gain. I could be playing crimson desert or X game and slowly progressing. That and the UI is my biggest draw backs.

[frosty topaz]

is this a euphemism for male pattern baldness

[spare hound]

1/10 bait

[latent nova]

I guess

[crystal coral]

What contracts are you struggling to complete? The only one I've had that took me a while was the first Parasitism quest, everything else has been pretty reasonable to do for me

[tawdry moss]

Play with friends, Ppl pick different stuff up a different rates, My crew is working different parts out and sharing each session and we extracting and having alot of fun.

[frosty topaz]

we all crouch walk the borders of the big M... and i lost 🥀🥀🥀

[crystal coral]

I legitimately sprint across the map in every Dire Marsh solo match I've played and have never once been sniped

[autumn knoll]

got to step 2 of my single run contract only to die by a leftover claymore 👍 it had NO sound queue too.

[marble hull]

any idea why I don't have permissions to send anything in the LFG CRYO channel?

[queen falcon]

Not bait....I legitimately don't have that issue on that map. I seriously don't understand how everyone has such an issue with snipers there. I can see it being an issue if you're sprinting through the middle of the map, or from POI to POI and making a lot of noise and drawing attention. But I have yet to have an issue with snipers there. And I've gone damn near around the whole map in a single run.

[scarlet remnant]

Just like every other extraction shooter, everyone's per run mileage will vary, yes.

[queen falcon]

It's a discord limit thing....use the chat channel... #lfc-any-zone

[jovial spoke]

/playtest

[meager shell]

@crystal coral the very first dire marsh one to introduce you to one of the AIs. 3 step quest needs to be done in one round. I kept getting killed and at one point did 2 parts but saw no icon for the 3rd step then finally got it. Took me like 4-5 matches.

[scarlet remnant]

I got to the last step of my contract only for it to get locked down, I had no anti virus and couldn't find one to save my life lmao.

[tawdry moss]

If your go to the current contract in the map menu you can click on them and it gives you more details on where to find and what to do. Maybe you already saw this.

[turbid herald]

is there any way to submit bug reports?

[crystal coral]

Are you dying more to bots or to players?

[queen falcon]

Oh I know....but one of the most common things I hear from most people when it comes to that map is, "It's a thermal sniper fest", or "nothing but snipers on Dire"....and I just have yet to run into any snipers. Maybe once or twice....so I'm starting to think people are just traversing the map out in the open and letting the countdown pressure them into sprinting into areas that are a snipers dream.

[wispy gale]

So is this game badly optimized for laptops or just in general?

[meager shell]

@crystal coral both. Players if I made an error for the most part and I get that , I did get jumped by one player just because they were obviously better and knew the map, I did die to bots once in that mission because step 2 is to kill a commander and it does cause a lot of noise and they kept coming

[wispy gale]

My laptop doesn’t use 100% of its GPU and fluctuates around 55-65 fps

[jovial spoke]

#1478943087957905550 i think

[scarlet remnant]

Part of it is definitely what you say, I have been running into snipers more often on any map though. From my experience a lot of players just carry one as a secondary cause it's so easy to get.

[sudden stratus]

Morning Opt1kal

[queen falcon]

It's not fully optimized for high end pc yet. At launch they optimized it for low end gear and the high end optimizations should be coming in the mid-season update middle of next month(April) I believe.

[frosty topaz]

some optimisations

optimising a game is a long process

[sudden stratus]

it's CPU bottlenecked we believe

[frosty topaz]

wont be done in just a couple months

[tawdry moss]

I am running 9800x3d and 4070ti super, Getting around 200fps max settings 1080p.

[sudden stratus]

As THE Monster Hunter Wilds defender, believe me when I say man don't I know it

How's it goin V11

[scarlet remnant]

So glad it's finally fixed up, mostly. Such a good game.

[frosty topaz]

sad 🙁

[crystal coral]

Are you playing Solos or Trios? Taking on bot squads solo can be a pain so you need to play far more methodically, using cover as much as you can and all that. If you're in Trios then you've got a lot more breathing room cause you've got teammates to depend on

[tawdry moss]

my buddy is struggling with AMD Ryzen 5 2600X and 3060, low-mid settings under 60fps 1080p. I think its mainly CPU on this game.

[queen falcon]

Ok. Yeah, see when I traverse Dire...if I have to go to Maintenance and I spawned by Complex....I'm not sprinting through the middle of the map nor am I running into Complex to loot....I'm sprinting straight south to see if I can catch the spawn there, if he's gone I'm walking along the edge of the map around everything. Not crouch walking but normal stroll through the woods....I get to Maintenance and I do my thing. Depending on the quest, I've been able to get 3-4 step quests done and I'm usually the last one in the map when I get out.

[sudden stratus]

I'm one of the few that didn't have many issues to begin with and genuinely pretty much all the issues I had are now gone. I have a few nitpicky things from like a gameplay standpoint that I wish were different but it was my GOTY last year

[autumn knoll]

What I started doing on dire marsh for single run contracts is simply get my first step done, and wait 10 whole minutes

that way most people already extracted, so you have more chance to complete your contract

[scarlet remnant]

I plat'd the game on launch, so I'm right there with you. Still playing it weekly. Can't wait for the expac.

[queen falcon]

Mernin!

[sudden stratus]

I like Darsh, I've been doing rook runs we're I load in. and if the anomaly is there I go for it, if it isn't I claymore myself, trying to get some of the gold mats

[queen falcon]

True...apologies the optimizations that are focused on high end gear should be coming next month.

[autumn knoll]

Oh lord I NEED some purp/blue mats for the WSTR upgrade so bad

[sudden stratus]

usuually there's been a team or two waiting at the final objective and I get cooked shortly after but I can successfully take a few skins before I go down

[crystal coral]

I think I have what'd be considered 'high-end' and Marathon runs great for me

[sudden stratus]

I have a i9-12900k and a 3090 and have no issues so far

[half niche]

i just got it and it runs really good for me didnt even touch settings yet

[tawdry moss]

I would like to be closer to 360fps but 200fps is smooth and its not like OW level of constant fast pace.

[sudden stratus]

64gigs of ram

[queen falcon]

Yeah I think it's people running a 50 series card that are having the most issues.

[crystal coral]

I've got a 5090 playing on max graphics at 4K and it feels buttery smooth

[queen falcon]

See I don't even wait that long....I'm usually hitting the second or third wave of exfils. The 1 at 10min or the one at 5min left.

[scarlet remnant]

I mean, I do the same thing in general. I just don't like the map design wise. But to each their own, I don't complain about snipers or similar.

[autumn knoll]

I have a mid-end lappy (im broke) and the game runs okayish even though it's nor "optimized" for laptops

[queen falcon]

Maybe they pushed some optimizations already then. I'm on console...so it's been pretty smooth for me since launch. Lol

[autumn knoll]

though 40 and below fps on outpost during high action hurts lol

[crystal coral]

Honestly I must just be getting lucky, game has run perfectly for me since the server slam

[frosty topaz]

i get 90 fps on outpost

i get 200+ on battlefield 6 js

[scarlet remnant]

My performance has been pretty good on a base 4070, too.

[meager shell]

@crystal coral I only solo anything I play.

[sudden stratus]

I'm a weirdo that caps my framerate at 60 for most games cause I personally get no benefit from it being any higher

[queen falcon]

Yeah. That's a personal preference thing. I prefer Perimeter, but that's because I know it more than I know Dire or Outpost. I'm more comfortable on Perimeter than any other map.

[scarlet remnant]

I prefer Outpost and Cryo haha. I like interconnectivity when it comes to map design.

[crystal coral]

Well that's definitely part of your issue with the game. Solo puts all the work on you and the game doesn't scale down bot spawns to accommodate for your smaller team size so you're kinda just playing the harder version

[queen falcon]

I wasn't able to run Cryo....looks like a REALLY fun map though. Hopeful for a solo option one day. Alas, all of my friends are either still on Arc or don't play console and are playing other games. I'm also super picky with who I play with....so solo dolo for me.

[sudden stratus]

Outpost is genuinely one of the best maps in any game I've played with PvP, I don't have enough personal experience with Cryo yet but god I wanna get better at the game genuinely so I can do Cryo runs and eventually beat the Compiler

[scarlet remnant]

It's a great map, just very dependant on the kind of PVP you run into. But in general it is pretty sweaty. I would appreciate a solo option to just take in the map more.

[sudden stratus]

I'm like a mid tier, casual gamer and Cryo makes me want to actually get really fucking good at the game

[queen falcon]

@meager shell So, as per losing fights, specifically to players...

Some tips I have...pay attention to HOW and WHY you lost a fight. Go over the fight again in your head, from start to end. Asking yourself, Did you hear footsteps? Could you locate the direction of them? What escapes did you have? Did you have an escape? Were there shots in the area prior to you getting there? Were doors left open/containers looted? Did they get jump on you? Did you get the jump on them and failed to finish? Did you push with less than ideal hp? Did you have a chance to back off and heal up? These amongst others will help you get better. These games are very punishing, take every loss as a lesson and try to learn from them. Keep pushing and you'll get there.

I'm also half paying attention to your guys conversation, so if this is off base or not what you're talking about, I apologize for the intrusion and unsolicited advice.

[meager shell]

@crystal coral I'm fine with that, did it in every game. I just would love more passive or steady XP/contribution when the contact is too far or something what happens.

[terse peak]

lel man I did a recon sniper(longshot) run on perimeter and it made me feel like such a rat...I literally found myself a nice cozy nest and overlooked an exfil, killed two assassins and left with their loot :)) ngl, reminds me of the olden days of bfbc2 .50 cal sniping

best part is, those assassins I killed? I am pretty certain I was previously killed by them camping in a corner with shotguns

[sudden stratus]

it's made me a bit more aggressive on my solo Outpost runs which has led to more skins for me, including wiping out a purple shielded gold weaponed guy out with a free kit in a fair gunfight, cause I knew I had a better position, cover, and a free kit bully smg

[queen falcon]

I'm about the same....having a career really knocks the time you have to play down to almost nil. 😂

[proven breach]

There wont be unless the AI gets massively nerfed in there

[sudden stratus]

(my power flickered immediately after and my PC rebooted because of it and when I loaded back in I was dead, but I'm way less scared of gunfights now

[signal bough]

yeah cryo needs some specific rebalancing to not be completely horrific for solos

[queen falcon]

Well they said they're talking about the possibility of a solo option, which I agree the AI would need to be nerfed(at least the AMOUNT of them). Which I could see them doing and making it a solo only map option...much like how ranked or duo is right now.

[proven breach]

Tons of AI spawns, as well as running into a commander around every corner

[signal bough]

it's also kinda sucky since the map is clearly designed for the 5-6 spawns it has

[proven breach]

Also having to solo the wardens for the credentials in order to access the vaults will also be aids for solo

[signal bough]

so either the map itself needs some adjustments for more solo spawns, or you're stuck with 6 solos on a huge map which is awful

[queen falcon]

Honestly....couple grenades and some well placed shots,..commanders aren't that bad. At least from my experience thus far.

[sudden stratus]

Hey John, good mornin, how's it goin man

[signal bough]

john destroyer

[sudden stratus]

I've had a ton of success wiping out commanders from afar with precision rifles now, especially on pinwheel

[proven breach]

I mean commanders themselves are whatever

[sudden stratus]

can kill the commander there without triggering the ad spawns

Command wing ain't shit no more

[mental hemlock]

Steps' sound is so bad in this game omg

[proven breach]

Can one clip most of them with a purple mag m77, but it's the sheer amount of them that makes it not viable

[half niche]

for my kit i was going to go out with it says i have heavy rounds but how do you see how many come in a stack lol

[queen falcon]

Yeah, we'll see what they do. I'm HOPEFUL they do it....but I'm also ok with not getting to do it due to not being able to have a solo option and hope the next endgame map does. It's just a thing to accept and a solo only player. That the game was designed for 3 person squads and solo was an after thought, which means there's some content I just will not be able to experience.

[signal bough]

wow a solo player with a based take this is rare

[proven breach]

Im already bringing in like 10 stacks of ammo on trios, imagine having to manage ammo on solo

[sudden stratus]

I think Ideally Cryo should have 8 or 9 players for solos, maybe a bit more

[tawdry moss]

Do peeps exfil once out of shield charges and done with contracts or still loot/fight, We been using that as a kinda run away exfil moment.

[terse peak]

Did you hear footsteps? Could you locate the direction of them? What escapes did you have? Did you have an escape? Were there shots in the area prior to you getting there?
I swear I got IEMs specifically because of this and with a bit of boosting of some frequencies when there's a lot of noise clutter(idk, there's A LOT OF NOISES just cluttering the information spectrum like UESC randomly running around, dropship, drones, ticks, birbs, rain, plants being blown by the wind, etc.), you can hear footsteps from so damn far away... like you can pretty much hear if someone is running inside hauler from the car midway to overflow, but the moment you get inside hauler the sound bounces so much off walls it gets pretty hard to pinpoint

[signal bough]

yeah the issue then becomes where do the extras go

duo cryo would kinda go crazy though

[queen falcon]

I need to do some more map learning, sponsored kit runs on Outpost. Did a few a few days ago...but need to do more. I have realized that do a full pinwheel run and be able to get out from a restricted spawn, you need 3 of the 4 red keys, 2 yellow keys, a green key, and a conveyance request....lol

[fiery anchor]

Meh

To be completely honest all of the Arachne buffs are to melee damage

[frosty topaz]

so would a skateboard

[gray girder]

whats the window for cryo again

[sudden stratus]

from what I can tell, the studio environment setting for audio I've been told is the best for IEMs

[fiery anchor]

Charter don’t strike me down

[signal bough]

destroyer shield pushing you on a skateboard

[proven breach]

Finding another 2 green keys is probably easier than trying to find a conveyance

[sudden stratus]

from what I've been told at least

[frosty topaz]

i just wanna shred for mida

RUNNA HIT THIS SICK ASS GRIND

[sudden stratus]

where's the green key going, you should only need the 3 reds and a yellow I believe

[queen falcon]

But that makes for a loud entrance to pinwheel. Conveyance allows you in with out having to fight the waves of bots at the entrance and doesn't spawn them inside Pinwheel correct?

[terse peak]

conveyance I wouldn't say is required, but the extra two green can be easier most times, also yeah, in solos it's hard af to open to loot room because some people will take master key early to ensure their restricted exfil

[proven breach]

Sure, but if I see you on that lift you're getting beamed

[gray girder]

you need two greens to unlock it the normal way, then beyond that to open the locked room within you need two reds and one yellow

[queen falcon]

You won't see me....assassin main. 😎

[verbal pulsar]

Na, he uses the shield AS the board. Probably grinding off a fuckin rooks long ass skull

[terse peak]

indeed and I use that and it's great

[proven breach]

Unfortunately for you, Im a thief main so you're getting my visor procced on you

[frosty topaz]

pretty easy to see you going up a really slow elevator in the middle of the open

[queen falcon]

Damnit.....Thief OP....#NerfThief

[sudden stratus]

I basically always grab the two red keys and a yellow off rip and stalk whoever is opening conveyance to yoink it for myself, sometimes I get lucky and the conveyance request is near my spawn and routing

[proven breach]

Also technically you can ignore the waves of bots

[sudden stratus]

I've had several successful Outpost runs like that now

[proven breach]

I hack the elevator, then immediately dip the fuck out and rotate to another entrance

Since you dont actually have to kill the bots, just have to wait for the hack timer to finish

[queen falcon]

Invis....with patience core...so my Invis timer pauses while I'm standing still and builds heat. Overheat, still Invis just timer counts down. I can almost triple the invis timer if I don't move. Lol

[scarlet remnant]

Or you can just stay in one of the corner rooms (on the shelves) and they won't go after you

[median ember]

.

[sudden stratus]

if you hack pinwheel open ads spawn in the center room of Pinwheel repeatedly I believe

[sand radish]

You can turn that off

[scarlet remnant]

You can disable that after, there's a button on the 2nd floor in the center

[frosty topaz]

youre missing the part when youre on a really slow moving elevator in the middle of the open

"oh man that drone is moving up, strange, anyway" - no one ever

[acoustic crane]

can someone help me out? I got the quest to unlock the Nutrition faction in which I need to gather informations from a house full of ticks. How can i get in there? I killed all ticks, the npcs and still cant enter the house

[sudden stratus]

I use it sometimes to farm commanders for extra keys

[queen falcon]

I'm still Invis... 😂 His Thief can just pop loot visor and see me clear as day standing there 🤣. Only other thing is to get hit by random fire from someone whose hoping to hit me and shooting randomly at the top of that container. 😂

[signal bough]

the one in columns? break the vent on the roof

[rough obsidian]

I've been on Co-evolution 4/5 for over a day, really hard to not run into people camping on rooftops with longshots while playing assassin

[acoustic crane]

Its frustrating looking for a entrance and getting killed every time haha