new-noise

[mental glacier]

got it, so you're a "twitter." thanks for the info.

[frosty topaz]

does anyone besides the devs have the numbers?

[proud ridge]

Internet providers and network management systems. All are private business. So no.

[wheat sage]

for marathon? I doubt it, I was talking about the numerous whitepapers and other research done on p2p vs f2p models and cheating personally

[frosty topaz]

so then its a moot point to make

"you dont have the numbers and metrics" well no one does so

[proud ridge]

I guess the cryo website gave like concurrent players.

[frosty topaz]

but whats the specific evidence that it actually has to do with the pay model

like, sure, a f2p game can have more cheaters than a p2p game, bc maybr the f2p game is warzone and the p2p game is like battlefield 6

the only plausible way to show if a game's cheating base gets an uptick in f2p is to track a paid game going free AND keeping a similar number of players since you're trying to mark the percentage uptick of cheaters

[echo plume]

Anybody see the cheaters have a working minimap now? So much for fog of war

[proud ridge]

I wish I could send gifs so bad

[wheat sage]

theres a ton of research done on it, I can link some more when om on my pc if you're genuinely curious but this is a p high level summary https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1567422324000097

[proud ridge]

All cheats you see online are real and could never be photoshop or ai.

[echo plume]

It’s not just something I’ve “seen online”. I actively followed the development of the esp and now have seen the minimap function. The esp has player names, skeletons, and now it marks container types like “arms locker”

Bungie has been quick to dmca strike videos showcasing mods, although they missed some

[fading zinc]

Hey come on now, you're not allowed to cite actual research here this place is for angry yelling

[proud ridge]

Sounds like you should be using it, very helpful

[echo plume]

I agree, nobody should be using the cheats. The cheats exist tho. People who cheat, usually need to cheat to feel good about themselves. When a copy of the game is only 25 usd, it’s easy for cheaters to come back with a new account.

[proud ridge]

Martin is 25$?

[echo plume]

Not in the USA, but when you’re making a new account after being banned, you can determine the region.

[vale kayak]

Also I think cheats should be more aware to the public. That is how you stop cheating, find out what people use and how

[wheat sage]

shit you right my bad dawg 😔

[echo plume]

It’s unfortunate that the cheats are real and very good

[vale kayak]

I havent ran into any, thank god. But how could I know? Some dude snipes me two shot through smoke, thermal or thief maybe?

I dunno glad I havent ran into it.

[echo plume]

This game uses the same anticheat as GTA V, look at that game on pc…

[echo plume]

That’s a bad example, smoke kills are easy with thermal snipe

[proud ridge]

If I wasn't still working I would be playing martin. Idk about fixating on cheaters all day.

[vale kayak]

Thieves can track you though, through smoke with their visor? What you mean?

Also so can cheats? Thought that was a good comparison

[proud ridge]

This is a lot of attention and emotional energy being given to the idea of cheaters , when you could just run and become god instead.

[winter summit]

Since the new update I am getting broccoli error

[fading zinc]

Reinstall your game files, then if it still happens try updating/reinstalling your graphics driver. Broccoli is a graphics driver crash/detection issue

[wet pier]

its good someone is recognizing Yung's hard work

[languid prism]

genuinely wonder why I bother random filling sometimes

gunna go ruin some lives as rook

[proud ridge]

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings lil guy

[floral wedge]

I love this server

[frosty topaz]

i love you 😘

[floral wedge]

that's scary

[frosty topaz]

im kidding i have a girlfriend

[quaint aspen]

you should call your mom and tell her you use “woman-like” as a descriptor online over speakerphone in voice chat right now

[frosty topaz]

she might hunt me down now

[proud ridge]

Don't get mpreg on us now

[frosty topaz]

why? then id be the true john marton 🔥🔥

[autumn knoll]

crew filling so I can die close to exfil while the randoms extract without me 🔥🔥🔥

[frosty topaz]

@autumn knoll ngl i thought your hashtag said skin the mall for a second

yeah screw that mall (???????)

bet that mall doesnt even have a v11 punch in it, probably has a roided up nike wearing tank in it

[languid prism]

crew filling just to have someone not participate so you play the entire game handicapped

[magic hinge]

Runnah! Go to the Nike Outlet and get some ugly shoes!

[frosty topaz]

get a helmet and it paint it black with white stripes to run fasta!!!!!

[eager pier]

do lockdowns spawn in dire duo?

[zenith owl]

lockdowns spawn in any mode in dire marsh

[fiery anchor]

I got sekiguchi level three

Are they even allat

[proud ridge]

I need some runner sh figurearts figs

[rough obsidian]

just had some subhuman individual rat pinwheel whilst he was fully geared with 3 minutes left on the clock

[languid prism]

welcome to marathon

[frosty topaz]

average assassin moment

[rough obsidian]

nah that's the part that makes it even crazier
dude was just sitting in a corner in central pinwheel waiting for me to leave command wing AND HE WAS PLAYING DESTROYER

[frosty topaz]

he's probablt assassin 99% of the time

[rough obsidian]

true he probably started playing destroyer cause he heard it was meta

crutchgod

[frosty topaz]

definitely an assassin at heart

[autumn knoll]

TRUE DESTROYERS NEVER RAT

WE DASH AT MACH FUCK WITH A WSTR OR WE DIE TRYING

[frosty topaz]

im fine with all the shells besides assassin

[rough obsidian]

TRUTHNUKE

[frosty topaz]

assassins are the actual worst, never met a good player who plays assassin

[languid prism]

v11 will make you god but assassin will make you mad

[frosty topaz]

they dont make me mad, theyre so easy to kill

[rough obsidian]

^ this guy for sure plays assassin

[autumn knoll]

I NEED someone with 3d animation knowledge to make something for a meme I have a crazy video idea in mind

[frosty topaz]

they need to play an invis character bc they cant play the game like a fuccin MAN

[languid prism]

I run whatever shell I have cores for

[autumn knoll]

You guys run with cores?

[winter summit]

I run thief for her fat ass

[keen kettle]

Anyone know if / how to change your ping wheel?

[queen falcon]

I play assassin....but I don't rat. I've been called a rat by people who are sprinting around, making a bunch of noise, and don't check their corners thinking this is some run and gun, arcade shooter.

[languid prism]

which is usually none, so usually whatever I had cores for before I lost them all

[dawn arrow]

Fill teammates are terribly ass with 0 gamesense but discord teammates are annoying asf rough life

[rough obsidian]

what ass bruh she got doll joints, run vandal for some ass or recon for some thighs

[frosty topaz]

i run triage bc his drone goes "weeeeeeeee" whenever you throw him 😄

[languid prism]

sometimes you get godlike random fill teammates

[rough obsidian]

I run destroyer because I like skinning people

[autumn knoll]

I need a shirt that says

A Recon queen is talking

Listen and learn

[frosty topaz]

this is true its just they'll never be assassin

my best random fill so far has been a double destroyer and then a triage vandal

[dawn arrow]

Ive had decent fills before but never exceptional

[frosty topaz]

i have never gotten out with a double assassin fill

[autumn knoll]

My best run OAT was Vandal /Triage/Destroyer

Managed to do BOTH Warden and Interception on Perimeter

[frosty topaz]

my best was a triple destroyer

wiped all of cryo and got level 4 vault and did the shield boss

[turbid plover]

🖍️

[autumn knoll]

the Enemy squad camping Station the picosecond they see 3 hunk of pure printed out plastic dash towards them only to be met with experimental facial surgery (A WSTR shot point blank to the face)

[frosty topaz]

is that watermelon flavoured?

[rough obsidian]

tried doing a vault 1 with a double assassin fill and they died to a shotgun in a vent one after another 💔

[frosty topaz]

yeah because assassins SUCK at the GAME

[turbid plover]

it's whatever flavour you want

[autumn knoll]

no hate towards my fellow russian players but there was a team nagging us in Prox chat by spamming EMPs and flechettes only to die to an M77

[hushed ravine]

!alphaclaim

[pastel gulch]

Recon buff when

[pastel gulch]

I don’t wanna wait though I want skin :(

[rough obsidian]

yeah and rushing a destroyer with a WSTR that's sitting in a vent means you get skinned

[pastel gulch]

How do you flush them out

Cryo weekend 2 out tmrw

[rough obsidian]

grenades or cover both sides of the vent

[loud pebble]

Does any body knows how to get Cryo skins?

[shrewd briar]

[turbid plover]

It literally says how in the codex

[loud pebble]

Lets see

[fiery anchor]

Is sekiguchi skill tree good or nah

[turbid plover]

All of them are good

[loud pebble]

It says only when you exfill but I do it and I don't get it mey be they get it on this actualization.

[dawn arrow]

Just encountered a bugged tox clear that didnt spawn any loot crates

[turbid plover]

Kill compiler and exfil

[loud pebble]

Aaa I never find that guy ok these weekend I try

[crystal coral]

is it just me or does the CE tactical sidearm absolutely slap

[hushed ravine]

have they removed sprint from the game yet? can't believe they added it in the first place

[turbid plover]

apart from being ammo hungry it is pretty good, compared to v11 at least

[crystal coral]

Yeah it does kinda chew through ammo but I can always get more

[shrewd briar]

[turbid plover]

Bungie needs to add circuit tracers to traxus shop 🤓 👍

[loud pebble]

Did you beat him?

[hard zealot]

I am once again asking and pleading can we please have less quests in Dire Marsh? Or someone fix the darn map? It's miserable.

[split thunder]

I've actually never messed with it for some reason, maybe I should use it some

[hard zealot]

There are more quests in dire marsh than there are in perimeter.

[terse peak]

I mean...they all give you buffs to your shell, it's not like one over the other, but all of them together? doing cyac contracts after a certain point (like vip1) is diminishing returns, so hop onto something like sekgen 🤷‍♂️

[split thunder]

You'll keep playing Dire Marsh and you'll like it.

[turbid plover]

Yes Bungie I want to do more Dire Marsh 😫

[terse peak]

would you rather do sekgen contracts on outpost to jump from the top of the pinwheel and then take guarded exfil without using healing items?

[crystal coral]

whats broken on Dire Marsh? Legit my favorite map so far

[zenith owl]

Insane fog and insane sightlines basically

[terse peak]

thinking about it, nona would likely also want to observe you doing that while heatcascade is on...

[zenith owl]

it's thermals land

[hard zealot]

YES.

[shrewd briar]

Any mods here, I need some help. Unable to DM

[hard zealot]

I'd rather do outpost than that place.

[crystal coral]

Surprisingly never been sniped in the marsh but yeaaah the fog is cranked up way too much and there's definitely way too many open sightlines but I just like the vibes

[terse peak]

I have sniped people in the marsh (no thermals, just v66) but yeah, the fog can be a bit much but it provides nice passage cover

[narrow trench]

unsanctioned hostiles traxus main quest 2/5 is not counting damage done to hostiles Rn is it a known bug?

[split thunder]

I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the map - some people just dislike the aesthetics on it and how they use fog/lighting to block off sightlines.

I think it's a good map to be honest. Kind of feel like hating on it is more a meme than real

[crystal coral]

Dire has also been my best place to get loot though I think I've just been getting robbed by my randoms in Pinwheel

[sand radish]

What season level are you?

[dawn arrow]

Fills teammates have once again driven me to discord pray for me

[gentle crane]

Nah it’s mid but you’re probably playing Rook so much that you just got gud with it

[native ice]

i have not had one fill teammate talk for 90 hours

[rough obsidian]

personally I be yapping

[crystal coral]

I don't know about mid I'd say its legit almost on par with the V11, only thing holding it back from greatness is its base mag capacity

[wheat summit]

adapt

[strange walrus]

it's a fucking lotery i swear

[fading zinc]

I'll trade you my perimeter contracts for your marsh ones

Hate that map with a passion

[frigid junco]

Yeah with a 99.98% loss rate

[hard zealot]

I can't adapt to 300 meter long sightlines.

[frigid junco]

Thermals

[hard zealot]

Exactly.

It's either that, or that with thermals. Which is somehow worse.

[split thunder]

like 23

[glass mortar]

thats vault 7

[bleak spear]

everyone is fighting at intersection for some reason.

[crystal coral]

its just like an IRL intersection, so realistic

[fading zinc]

You have to go through intersection/algae if you want to cross the map without going all the way around canals, so it's naturally a high traffic area

[rugged horizon]

Daily reminder to buff and rework Recon

[fading zinc]

Kind of like orientation on outpost

[turbid plover]

You can peruse a million threads in #1478943087957905550 about that

[crystal coral]

yeah its basically the Hauler/Data Wall split on Perimeter

[terse peak]

tbh 300m is kinda chill, bf games usually have angles that provide anywhere from 300 to 1km sightlines for snipers to enjoy

[fading zinc]

To be fair, if you get sniped from 1km out in bf you aren't potentially losing hours of work worth of gear

So it's not the best comparison

[long coral]

game needs sale and catchup xp for new players already

[terse peak]

fair enough

[fading zinc]

The game has level based matchmaking

[gusty sedge]

recon isnt even recon, she should be renamed to hunter or something with how her abilities work

[hard zealot]

It's only been 20 days.

[long coral]

and over half the initial buyers barely playing it lol

[crystal coral]

Yeah she's less of a recon character and more of a hunter-killer

[terse peak]

more like tracker since it's the only skill that consistently works x)

[fading zinc]

What does that have to do with your demand?

[hidden harness]

no it does not.

[terse peak]

I consistently get matched against level 100s and am 35

[gusty sedge]

man id love to play recon more but her abilities are really weak😭 only good one is when you finish an enemy and their team gets pinged

[crystal coral]

I got matched with someone doing the 'Welcome to Tau Ceti' quests and I'm about level 50 or so

[long coral]

get sale going for the broke timmies & catch up xp so they stay playing

[terse peak]

that's a core tho

[gusty sedge]

exactly, I KNOWWWWW😭

[long coral]

otherwise gg in several weeks

[uneven torrent]

in sekiguchi it says it unlocks 2 cores in the tree but i only see 1 for each shell. do i need to finish a quest or something?

[tawdry moss]

my buddies and I enjoying the game, So far just doing runs, Doing contracts for the different factions and looting around we are around level 12-15. We have not done pinwheel or anything like that or opened any doors we need access keys for, not sure where to get started on tht kinda thing tbh?

[gusty sedge]

shop rotates

[terse peak]

pretty sure we'll be stable at around 40k for a pretty good while until a sale comes along

[uneven torrent]

ahhh lame @gusty sedge

[long coral]

i dont see a suggestion channel so theres my two cents

[fading zinc]

Oh idk, on release one of the big things people talked about was the lbm, and I was under the impression it had been confirmed by the devs

[gusty sedge]

when youre playing outpost just pick up any coloured keycards you see really

[terse peak]

really? #1478943000792006768 #1478943087957905550

[crystal coral]

https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1478943000792006768 https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1478943087957905550

[long coral]

#goats

[tawdry moss]

Is there simialr on other maps we are missing, I know we are supposed to get firewall shields so we can enter the lockdown events but I may need to go down youtube rabbit hole to make sure we are not missing out on easy loot.

[fading zinc]

Hidden channels is the worst thing they ever did to discord

[carmine estuary]

why hold up am i dumb

[long coral]

ppl all up in unknown channels like its a secret clubroom lol

[fading zinc]

Because people who don't know about them just assume they don't exist

[carmine estuary]

wait theres channels i cant seee

[crystal coral]

Not hidden but the tox clear rooms usually have some pretty good loot in them and you can use specific cards to temporarily disable the gas at a nearby computer

[long coral]

remember ur abcs, Always BEE Chilling

[fading zinc]

id:customize

[crystal coral]

on the flip side of this every single lockbox I have ever opened has been pure dogshit

[fading zinc]

The type of person who isn't observant enough to find the channels tab in the list is usually the exact type of person who comes straight to discord to complain about something stupid

[fading zinc]

I've found 1 purple in like 10 lockbox runs

Not even sure it's worth doing them anymore, I might just sell the keys

[crystal coral]

I've legit only ever found grey items and I think maybe a green piece of salvage

[fading zinc]

But it's fun sometimes I guess

[tawdry moss]

Thanks Skittles and evahasasmallweeny I shall check these next session

[crystal coral]

That's just the Perimeter ones anyways, maybe the ones on the other maps are better

[fading zinc]

I do mine on marsh and they aren't any better in my experience (they can't spawn on the other 2 maps)

[crystal coral]

after opening a few on Perimeter I kinda just gave up on them, guess its time to sell the keys so I can get my vault space back

[exotic wing]

just bring a thief when you do them

[crystal coral]

but then the thief is just gonna steal it all 😭

[tawdry moss]

Also the game is really great fun, even if you only have couple hrs in evening after work.

[fading zinc]

Yeah I do, that's what I meant by 10 runs instead of 10 keys

Definitely possible I'm just unlucky though

[tawdry moss]

I keep seeing irrational hate from people it seams who are not interested in the game except trying/hoping it fails, Whats going on. Is it some kind of slander campaign to try and get the game to fail or what?

[lunar laurel]

Bro I had some good ass loot and some chud named Danny murked me for final exfoll

[terse peak]

such is life

[maiden carbon]

I don't necessarily think so. I have RL friends who are pissed because the like the gunplay, art, etc, and want to like it so bad, but the current iteration is just not conducive to their schedule or interests. It's not made for them, or enough people like them. It's more frustration than hate. I don't think ragebait farmers have much impact on numbers.

[lunar laurel]

I'm gonna jump bro

[tawdry moss]

So people just want Marathon deathmatch, Seams kinda samey and boring.

[terse peak]

but the current iteration is just not conducive to their schedule
elaborate? I have a friend who mostly just bit into the pre-launch hate and "is waiting for a sale"

[icy tide]

snipres need to be way harder to get or nerfed

[steady schooner]

People just annoyed by how un skilled they are.

[maiden carbon]

Yea basically. Casual quickplay, BR, maybe some ranked, or even an extraction loop with drastically lower resource cost and QOL things. This game is good in so many ways that they could do those samey things and be massive.

[tawdry moss]

if your waiting for a sale on 35$ game then you have no respect for game industry if your from western country, Exceptions if your struggling.

[dry trout]

Hey guys quick queston.
Did they reduce the time from 30 minutes to 25 I’ve noticed I spawn in at 25 now

[split thunder]

Someone just got killed by a sniper lol

[turbid plover]

It's always been 25, cryo is 30

[white elbow]

We need cryo to be open 24/7 I work weekends man

[dry trout]

Ur gas lighting me. Theres no way gng

[turbid plover]

Since server slam it's been 25

[turbid plover]

I have good news for you in #dev-updates

[dry trout]

Anyone else remember 30 or am I just tweaking?

[crystal coral]

you might be smoking straight sparkleaf

[dry trout]

Welp

[rough obsidian]

Cryo was 30, the other maps were always 25

[dry trout]

Thanks 4 being honest man

[white elbow]

I just mean the weekends as is I work Friday to Tuesday and miss out a lot

[dry trout]

U get one day now make it count

[rough obsidian]

You can now play on Thursday

[white elbow]

Lmao bet

[vapid kraken]

its been 5 game straigh that i spawn in dire marsh with 2 free kit and lost everything. its pretty annoying

[dry trout]

Hear me out

[crystal coral]

such is the squad fill life

[brave sinew]

Kind of sucks that some of the upgrade materials are only from Cryo and Pinwheel base. As a solo player I'll basically never be able to get those .

[dry trout]

Go in with a kit so u don’t shit on

[dry trout]

As a solo player lock in pin wheel mad ez

[icy tide]

no point going in with a kit if ur filling when ur getting matched with 2 free kits every game

[crystal coral]

maybe its just me but Cryo randoms are 1000% better than normal squad fill randoms because they can't just spam sponsored kits and put in no effort

[dry trout]

That’s what ur teammates r thinking. If we all change we all good.

[terse peak]

I mean there's "free kit", idk what "lower resource cost" than that would work for them, I've been mostly playing quick 2-3 runs of free kit at times when I feel tired and don't want to risk gear on me being uber sloppy, solo or rook, quick to jump in and out, ranked is there, cryo is basically a raid

[dry trout]

N honestly Iver slammed w free kits I think it’s a skill issue

[crystal coral]

MIDA free kit is goated, same with Arachne's

[split thunder]

Everything snooty wrote in that quote is in the game in some way or a bad take

[terse peak]

arachne free kit goated? it's the worst and it doesn't even have a skin

[dry trout]

Cyber ac better

[split thunder]

I'm psycho I guess because I'm partial to the traxus free kit everyone thinks sucks

[queen falcon]

Wrong. The overrun sponsored kit is the worst ...or the one with the single shot precision rifle(can't remember which one it is).

[dry trout]

Yo we can all agree fuck the volt pistol right?

[terse peak]

traxus?

[dawn arrow]

It really is like sometimes you find really good teammates but most of the time teammates are terribly ass

[vapid kraken]

free kit are horrible

[split thunder]

That's the traxus kit (hardline pr)

[crystal coral]

How is it the worst? Doesn't CyAc give you a goddamn Overrun? Traxus' is one I also dont really like

[gentle crane]

Fog makes it so thermal scopes reign supreme.

[dry trout]

Arl yall gonna go wiggle thy weave worm

[queen falcon]

Yeah...terrible.

[terse peak]

I honestly enjoy all the free kits, once you get used to each weapon, and how it works, what engagement range to use etc. they're all pretty dope but service very specific play styles

[maiden carbon]

Cost of heals, materials, shields, etc, still have way too much of a time cost for the liking of most casual players. The biggest issue though honestly, is how absurdly high the rare resource costs are. Events and other ways to acquire those are not consistently available to solo players. You can have all the credit in the world (casuals don't), but even if they did, most of those don't ever have a realistic chance of being able to blue shield faction upgrade before reset. TLDR: The time investment cost associated with the downturn of the exaction loop, shield values, etc, just categorically makes the game unsuited for most 9-5ers. Even if they enjoy it, life doesn't make getting full enjoyment out of it tenable for them.

[brave sinew]

I don't really understand how to do it. You need 3 keycards?

[dry trout]

Watch a vid there’s like 5 ways in

[terse peak]

brother reset is 3 months

[dry trout]

And 2 puzzles for loot once ur inside. One needing 3 keys and another u just need to run around the pinwheel wings

[brisk mantle]

Conveyance request, or two green keycards. Inside has a 1 yellow 2 red door (sometimes you get a red inside)

[brave sinew]

Okay, let me put it this way. Can you do it as a solo if you have like a 90% loss rate against other players?

[dry trout]

I’ve done it without seeing another player

[turbid plover]

None of upgrade materials are exclusively from cryo or pinwheel

[dry trout]

I’m not on rn

[turbid plover]

Name one

[brave sinew]

Neurochem Pack

[dry trout]

Ooos didn’t mean to edit

[vapid kraken]

i have a quest to do in dire marsh. its impossible to do right now i fight in the first 30 second every game

[brisk mantle]

Did they increase purple spawn rates? Feels like it.
Prestige is keys and shit that is probably almost impossible as a solo, I’m bat at solo tho.

[turbid plover]

You can find them in medical cabinets on any map

[dry trout]

Dude that’s so slowwwww

Don’t even bro 😭 u want this mf to check every medical cabnit 40 times then nkt die and do this 10x for every upgrade lmao

[brisk mantle]

You would never finish neurochem without pinwheel, but you don’t need to do full pinwheel, rook shit tbh.

[icy tide]

they should have made this a new looter shooter. Extraction shooters are fun for a few days then its just sleeper mode

[turbid plover]

No shit but that's not the point is it

[dry trout]

Yeah it is. His point is that it’s to hard for a solo to get

[turbid plover]

Just rook it on outpost and rat around, people don't loot all of pinwheel

[dry trout]

Not me, but apparently him

Can’t let ppp think I’m bad my ego to big

[brave sinew]

yeah, I guess rook is an option.

I don't think I've really been able to extract from outpost. I don't really understand the locked extracts.

[dry trout]

Bro u didn’t think of this before i defended u. I js thought h didn’t wanna play rooo bro 😭😭😭😭

[brisk mantle]

I think full pinwheel is avg 6-8 neurochem, I’ve gotten 6 out from drone as a rook.

[brave sinew]

I don't want to play rook

[graceful vortex]

Solo ain't that bad, have patience and have awareness. The game being hard is a blessing.

[dry trout]

Lock in

[maiden carbon]

i'm not debating with you. The question was whether there was a hate campaign causing an impact on numbers. The good and bad news is that no, most normal people don't let internet trolls and bottom barrel trash content rage farms influence their decisions. The answer is that most people who have tried it, make the decision within their first dozen hours that the game isn't compatible with their life to get full value out of it. At least not relative to other options. That's not even an opinion. That's just factual.

[terse peak]

you can easily go in as free kit or rook and run specifically for meds and shields, I have literally sold tens stacks of green heals before they increased the vault stacking size, you can go free kit in trios and just do other people's faction contracts for xp, casuals playing trios have their factions leveled farther than me playing solo only

[fading zinc]

Yes if you learn the map well and play quiet, but obviously being good at pvp makes anything easier

[dry trout]

Guys I don’t wanna fight in discord anymore bye bye

[turbid plover]

We ain't fighting but ok

[peak pebble]

Has anyone gotten golds from the temporal fragments?

[brisk mantle]

Honestly you shouldn’t buy heals unless you’re on a mediocre win streak, steal them off the same people that give you your kit.

[brave sinew]

Just very frustrated with pvp in general. Constantly die in situations where I feel I should have won. I pretty much only engage if I have the advantage. I shoot first, I have better shields, and they still manage to kill me. Feels like ttk is 1 second when they shoot me and 5 seconds when I shoot them.

[crystal coral]

Anyone else going absolutely schizophrenic trying to get biomata resin for Arachne upgrades

[brisk mantle]

Rook shotgun ain’t worth it

[terse peak]

zero to hero runs are pretty fun, sometimes they're over quick but other times you just pop and exfil with a 5-15k haul

[slate frost]

Not sure if u know, but if you tag that, it will show up in ur map

[crystal coral]

I want to upgrade my melee damage so I can stab people harder

[crystal coral]

I have it tracked if thats what you mean but it hardly seems to spawn

[brisk mantle]

That was like 40 hrs ago idfr, I just need pipes for strike 3.

[terse peak]

doesn't that drop from drones or smthing?

[placid vault]

/playtest

[brisk mantle]

I hate shooting drones

[crystal coral]

I've heard that but I haven't personally seen a single drone drop it. Its supposed to spawn at Bio-Research on Dire Marsh as well but I only ever see even a single piece once every dozen runs

[brisk mantle]

Arachne rank up gave me like 30-50 resin

[nocturne dew]

I saw two drones yesterday in dire marsh.

[worthy wolf]

Ho wmany teams spawn dire marsh duos?

[terse peak]

loads of drones spawn during a run, especially around wardens

[brisk mantle]

I just hate shooting drones

I think you could take a building and camp it for a lot of resin but that’s gross.

[terse peak]

bio-research is a POI I generally enjoy rummaging but the resulting resin is mid compared to drone chasing 😄

[brisk mantle]

Idk what’s the spawn rate on blue resin, you need 50 total

[terse peak]

can't you find it on outpost too?

[brisk mantle]

Yeah I exclusively ran bio first week.

[brisk mantle]

Yeah, pinwheel and processing

[terse peak]

oh processing is fun

[brisk mantle]

People are so clueless there

[terse peak]

apparently orientation too

[terse peak]

in solos? it's so funny that 10 mins in the map's just me usually

[gentle crane]

it’s not really that time consuming idk what you mean.

[brisk mantle]

I don’t play solo, regularly walk into 3 in the main room through the plastic and open up.

[south trellis]

solos is a fucking horror game. literally everything on the map wants you to die and no one is there to save you

[terse peak]

there's a specific spot on processing, on the top of the building there's a metal railing/walkway that overlooks the door towards the pinwheel entry point and a walkway into a locked room, it's a nice spot to get into in the first few mins, it allows you to run around and make noise to attract people into your firing range

[gentle crane]

i don’t get where the idea that this game isn’t able to be played casually comes from.

You play, you kill, you die. The resets make sweating about shit a moot point. If you are stressing out and losing sleep over trying to grind out stuff like cosmetics that is really your own doing.

You are the architect of your own misery. 🤣

[fading zinc]

I know, it's awesome

[safe crescent]

solos is savage

[gentle crane]

i am usually running Destroyer or Recon in Solos so i kinda feel like the slasher guy 🤣

[brisk mantle]

People who enjoy/are driven by progression but do not have much time really dislike having that reset, and they can never do much because if you play say … 1 hour a day that’s only 90 hours in a wipe and you aren’t done, not even 1/2 way really. And 1hr/day is actually kinda a lot.

[crystal coral]

A fellow solo Destroyer enjoyer 🤝

[brisk mantle]

It’s also harder to play with much more advanced friends, even around wipe because they are pushing progression

[gentle crane]

He’s so damn fun. Boosted sprinting at someone with a knife because I can’t find ammo is definitely more fun than it should be

[terse peak]

I think it depends on crew quality, if you have a stable crew that knows what it's doing, even with 1 hr a day, you can spread the contracts and farm the xp to 100 pretty fast in consistent trios

[gentle crane]

I could make the counter argument that the resets make it so you are always forced to be progressing

[crystal coral]

Oh my god you get me

I have so much fun sprinting through windows and just running people down like a mad man

[brisk mantle]

That counters nothing. That’s the benefit and why wipes are essential. It doesn’t stop them from pushing people away.

[brisk mantle]

Have you seen the salvage requirements?

[terse peak]

salvare requirements for what? buying upgrades? you can get to 100 without a single upgrade

[brisk mantle]

Getting to 100 isn’t the goal tho

[terse peak]

what is tho?

[brisk mantle]

It’s not just not being able to complete, you redo a much more narrow section of content.

[terse peak]

my goal is having fun

[brisk mantle]

Completing the long objective based objective, faction upgrades.

[gentle crane]

but that logic itself is flawed, fundamentally.

Those people are not addicted to progression. They are addicted to the accumulation.

it’s the people with max mastery rank in Warframe or the 10 year Destiny player with a dragon hoard of guns that suck clogging up their Vault “just in case” they get buffed.

[south trellis]

extraction shooters require a rewiring of what most gamer brains are used to. its an endless cycle that never really ends. the game is in the grind, and people are so used to grinding toward a definite ending without suffering any real loss on the way to the end.

[fading zinc]

As a 5 year destiny player, I'm not hoarding guns in case they get buffed, I'm just hoarding them because I'm too stupid to figure out what to delete

[brisk mantle]

I mean I’m grinding to complete the shit before wipe because playing with an objective makes me happy

[south trellis]

as soon as you stop trying to "beat the game" or thinking "once i do x or get x im unstoppable" and realize its a constant back and forth, a tug of war of highs and lows, and just play for that, you can start to appreciate the genre

[carmine estuary]

how long dose it take the lock dorrs for pinwheel to fully open second wise

[terse peak]

1min or so?

[gentle crane]

there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that. I’m just saying that people who are put off by the resets are upset by things for the wrong reason.

[crystal coral]

I play because the constant highs and lows make me feel like I'm gambling

Bungie add in a quest to play Poker please and thank you

[scarlet remnant]

You also partly have to accept that extraction shooters are demanding, time-wise. It's a commitment to actually get to the endgame and stay there. Marathon makes this easier in a way that it showers you with good stuff even if you're casual but focused. Tarkov for example does not do that.

[carmine estuary]

DANG im getting better at outpost so im bringing kits now

[fading zinc]

Seems like about 50-60 seconds

[brisk mantle]

Accumulation is a part of progression, without it progression feels hollow, with too much progression ceases to exist, hence the wipe.
There’s a sweet spot where you do the progression you like, then wipe happens, above you run out of objectives and that varies on the game for how good it is (Tarkov for example had shit progression so it didn’t matter) below and you never feel impact of your progression, you aren’t keeping track of the wipe and having fun around it etc.
it is a valid viewpoint, game just isn’t for people who care about that stuff and have time in the sub 1hr/day range.

[turbid plover]

On the opposite side of the spectrum, Hunt Showdown has absolutely zero progression. You play it for gameplay loop, cause there's absolutely nothing else

[brisk mantle]

Yeah you can do pure gameplay loop with hunt cuz there’s only one obj, it’s a match you win.

[crystal coral]

I mean Hunt had the progression of leveling up to unlock new gear and perks for your hunters did it not?

[turbid plover]

I guess you could set your goal to the get max prestige but that's really it

[brisk mantle]

No loss of what you calculate

[turbid plover]

That's not really progression considering prestige is optional and it's just a soft commitment

And weapon variants are unlocked purely by using their base variants

[brisk mantle]

Number go up make people happy, I know someone that hated overwatch because the meaningless levels gave lootboxes and this didn’t make them happy.

[maiden carbon]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

[south trellis]

i feel like bungie should do free to play for the month of april and if you can reach level 20 by the end of april you can get the game for 20% off. it takes well beyond the 2 hour refund window to even get your footing in marathon and i think giving everyone a chance to really take their time with it, and a chance to get a discount for spending time with, would motivate people on the fence to give it better chance

[gentle crane]

Destiny is a really good example of why none of that shit really mattered.

No matter how far you progressed, grind, or whatever your accomplishments were, it was all invalidated by day one by whatever the new expansion was. It didn’t matter that you had killed numerous gods and turned them into guns or sweated blood in raids and dungeons for the god-roll weapons.

There was always an expiration date for your progress before you were doing it all over again.

No matter how high you climbed, the game was always going to extend the ladder

[rugged saffron]

What kind of loser flames after winning in prox chat?

Kills 3 free kits
<insert prox chat rant about how they're all stupid and awful and should uninstall>

Do these people have any friends?

[scarlet remnant]

Out of all the gear based extraction shooters Marathon is arguably the easiest one when it comes to getting yourself back up after you drain your resources. And I love that cause it makes me want to actually stick around for the grind. Unlike Tarkov which I played for thousands of hours, but picking yourself up there again can take an insane amount of time.

[rough obsidian]

No, they don't

[brisk mantle]

My squad mate screams about melee kills and when we upkill tbh

[brisk mantle]

The direct scavenge to use loop is so nice

[turbid plover]

Free kits and rook make it extremely easy to just get in a run and do shit

[terse peak]

you get a TON of daily free items and rook runs are miracles

[rugged saffron]

That's an upkill though. A fully kitted out team catches free kits off guard and goes on a rant like it's their first kill in the game ever or they've just lived their entire life without a single normal human interaction

[maiden carbon]

Bro if the standard by which you measure whether this game is accessible enough for the casuals players it needs to survive to be willing to invest their time in large enough numbers for this game to be sustainable is Tarkov or Hunt, then I have some super tough news for you. Those games did not cost atleast $200m to develop and have monthly maintence budgets likely exceeding $5-10M.

[brave sinew]

Another issue is that if I do play with a friend or group fill or whatever, I have no idea how to play in a group.

[scarlet remnant]

I have not said anything like that, though?

[brisk mantle]

I know people that didn’t play destiny because of this, I didn’t because it was fucking annoying retracing progress/figuring out what to do from a non fresh slate.

[terse peak]

ok so in the end it's all just doomsaying and baiting

[mild mountain]

I personally do not care about the logistics of what into making a game. I only care about if the game is enjoyable to me. and marathon is.

[maiden carbon]

I don't see how that's baiting or doomsaying. It just means they need to make changes.

[granite pasture]

Does anyone know if there’s k&m support on ps5?

[mild mountain]

this hate/doomism/wokeism shit is just exhausting. who fucking cares. play it, don’t play it, it doesn’t matter.

[brisk mantle]

Didn’t tarkov survive pissing away millions a few years back?

[crystal coral]

I'd bet probably not

[scarlet remnant]

Rook runs are CRAZY. Literally just an hour ago got 4 purple shields and other goodies cause I got lucky with two teams downing each other (final 2 guys traded lol)

[mild mountain]

I basically never go on rook runs even though I should go on way more

albeit I’m playing a lot of solos and it’s not too bad to get gear in solos lobbies

[scarlet remnant]

They're really fun for the instant in/out. Matchmaking takes less than 10 seconds usually. That's kind of why I prefer them to solos. Also do not have to gear up and my default rook is more competitive than any sponsored kit.

[mild mountain]

yeah it’s always free money. should do one to get the matter fixative thing for one of the titles in the codex.

would be the easiest way to exfil with a compromised item.

[worthy wolf]

How many teams spawn dire marsh duos?

[crystal coral]

Still waiting for my goat Rook to get skins

[terse peak]

I think my 2nd rook run ever I caught two teams fighting in datawall (near the supply drop/turret ladder), I got there just in time to land the final shot on the sole winner of the fight and went on to finish two other people and exfil with supply drop loot as well as the best of loot from the 6 bodybags x)

[scarlet remnant]

It's super fun when the stars align on a Rook run like this lol.

[maiden carbon]

at the very least I know it was internally funded and developed by an independent studio. If it was operating on a loss for that amount of time, that's why they were afforded flexibility. You have to also remember that game really started taking off in the middle of COVID, when there was a substantially higher market of players who were able to invest crazy hours into a game. It helped bridge the gap and build that audience. It's why when somebody says "but tarkov", my immediate response is "let me stop you right there".

[sand radish]

The game has a decent playerbase. Regardless of the cost of development, the game isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Any cost benefit analysis done at this point is about “how much money do we put in and how much money will we get out?” so the only effect is how fast and how big we get content will be. And for a PvP game like this, a small team can get a lot of mileage.

[terse peak]

for what it's worth, marathon has more players than bf6 rn

[crystal coral]

I think what this game really needs is predatory microtransactions, loot boxes, and pay to win store bundles

[sand radish]

And literally everyone with any experience with live service games know that the peak isn’t usually on release, but several years after.

The only exception I can think of is PUBG 🤷‍♂️

[rough obsidian]

SKIN ALL ASSASSINS

[terse peak]

and a bigger 24hr peak than codbo7

[sand radish]

Also if the team judged that the sales are nowhere near enough and they need a massive increase, they would go dark as they figure out how they’re gonna “right the ship”, the fact that they’re communicating means that they plan on going steady with their original gameplan.

[terse peak]

I'm guessing they'll have something planned for easter

[proud ridge]

I can't wait until the end of the season to see what happens

What is the corpos will say to take away all my schillings and loot.

[maiden carbon]

I don't know what their internal metrics are, nor am I going to pretend to know. They have two live service games to pay monthly to support, ideally be able to begin developing an expansion to one of them, which will be expensive. They have an 850 developer studio to support. Would Sony be willing to take a monthly expense hit for maybe up to a year while the game finds footing? My guess would be yes, but Idk. If they do it's assuming player numbers start trending in a different direction, quickly. The game has a decent player base, but not it's not what they expected and needed. Not even close.

[terse peak]

https://www.ign.com/wikis/marathon/Marathon_Seasons_1_and_2_Roadmap

we still have the C.A.R.R.I. event, a major patch and idk if maybe a new gun or if the cryo unique gun is that?

[crystal coral]

Speaking of that, do we have any idea what the C.A.R.R.I event will be like?

[terse peak]

none as of yet, but what intrigues me even more is the NEW SYSTEM "The Cradle" ?

[patent sage]

100% right, it's quite a large team so the amount of content able to come out each season is gonna be substantial

[sand radish]

What do you mean while the game finds footing? The game already found footing. It’s got more concurrent players than numerous other titles that have been around for years. Expense hit? They don’t need to take one. They just need to size the resources they allocate such that it generates a profit, which is based on the numbers it’s doing right now.

[crystal coral]

shell customization? 🤔

probably not but it would be fire

[turbid plover]

Maybe something akin to the scrapped idea of early development where shells had customizable abilities instead of being character tied 🤷‍♂️

[patent sage]

Dude, we have zero idea what Sony/Bungie expected. You can't just blindly hypothesize that they "wanted arc numbers " or something- arc is a needle in a haystack type hit. The games are so fundamentally different with Arc catering much much more towards the casual gamer

Unless you magically have insider info

[crystal coral]

It'd actually be pretty sick if we could choose alternate abilities for the shells

[earnest hound]

but did you stop to consider that they know because it came to them a in a dream ?

[brave sinew]

So how do you go about learning how to play a game like this with a group?

[patent sage]

Holy Moly!

[crystal coral]

oh god I forgot we get nighttime Marsh next season
If solos are horror now just imagine them then

[patent sage]

Oh also, Sony has like infinite money. I bet each of those 8 minute cinematics cost millions each. They can 100% afford to put as much money into bungie/marathon as they need to to keep it going.

[reef vine]

Thermal snipers galore..

[crystal coral]

I will simply dodge

[reef vine]

50% chance it works 100% of the time 😉

[maiden carbon]

No man, those titles you're comparing it to have nowhere near the stakes involved. The labor cost alone on just the dev team is likely over $10m PER MONTH. Then you have legal, server costs, other overhead aspects, etc. The backdrop to all of this is that Sony paid the GDP of a small african country, for IP assets and inventory that is currently much less valuable than what they paid for it. It's Sony man, if this game only maintains it's current playerbase, then we're likely not talking about layoffs at Bungie. We're talking about Sony potentially disolving the company, cutting their losses .

[sand radish]

That’s not how holding companies operate.

[crystal coral]

man we're really out here discussing the games finances like we're their fucking accountants go shoot some people or something

[sand radish]

I don't know where to start, but I do this for a living. Well, used to.

[turbid plover]

They already put 3.4b into acquiring Bungie, they're sure as hell not letting them die just like that

[maiden carbon]

Then be sincere, you know that is how this is going to play out.

[sand radish]

So the $3.6b that Sony paid Bungie for isn't because Sony expects a $7b return on Marathon when it releases or whatever. It's because Sony had money lying around and banks were willing to give Sony money to buy another company.

[hallow dagger]

Anyone have lockdowns spawn on duos marsh?

[maiden carbon]

I understand, it's an asset. If they bought it 3.6B, and they now valuate it at much less, with expectations that it will continue to drop in value. they will get the value they can from it.

[terse peak]

ima be real considering the way they're handling this, it seems to me like they knew 100% what marathon was aiming to be( without any exaggerations ) and is satisfied with its success, otherwise there'd have been media comments from sony or bungie

[sand radish]

And the valuation, that $3.6b that they paid for, is partly based on future cash flows discounted to present value.

[terse peak]

I think Sony just bought Bungie to spite microsoft

[sand radish]

So we're talking 20 years of revenue.

[scenic tree]

bungie needs better leadership bro

[sand radish]

You lay down all your business segments, plus all your pipeline projects (Marathon, other games they were developing at the time, etc.). Put a number on how much it is going to earn in 2026, 2027, 2028 all the way to 2046 or whatever. Then each number you discount to Year 2026.

THAT's how you get a valuation based on DCF.

[rapid cloud]

does anyone know if lockdowns work in dire marsh duos?

[sand radish]

So that 3.6b is based on how much Bungie is gonna make them in 20 years.

Is one way they valued that, yeah.

[crystal coral]

I don't see why it wouldn't? It spawns in Trios and Solos so why not

[scenic tree]

no it don't work trust me (real source)

[rapid cloud]

cuz ik theyre testing out duos so idk if theyre activating lockdowns or not

[sand radish]

You also just see how much they made in a year and take a multiple of that. 5x EBITDA or whatever right

[maiden carbon]

I get it, which is why I said they are not going to cut the dev team down to just the number they anticipate will breakeven on just this game and whatever is left of D2. They will sell it off if the future revenue prospects long term look bleak.

[crystal coral]

I feel like if they're gonna test it on a map, having all of the maps usual features active only makes sense

[sand radish]

Sony doesn't need to make that $3.6b back, not now, anytime soon, nah.

[scenic tree]

i'd like 3.6 billion buckaroos

[rapid cloud]

ik but since its on the main lobby people could also gear up rly quickly by doing duos which migh tbe a reason why they dont activate

[sand radish]

What Sony does NEED is for Bungie to PAY for the quarterly interest on the debt Sony took to buy Bungie for.

[dry trout]

What is the rewards u get based on ur lvl for exiling with the temporal fragment

[sand radish]

I borrow $3.6b from the bank, buy a company, and make the company pay for the interest plus principal repayment I need to make quarterly.

[crystal coral]

The wording of the first half confuses me, not gonna lie. Aren't all of the queues on the main lobby or am I too sleepy to be forming thoughts

[abstract coyote]

[maiden carbon]

That's part of it, but again, the purpose of the Bungie purchase as you said was based on forward revenue projection long term. A company that has to cut it's studio down so low to meet monthly and quarterly requirements, does not have the same capacity to generate new IPS or expansions of existing IPS.

[sonic blade]

It’s tough to keep track since they go directly to your vault. I only notice when I get prestige salvage cuz I don’t have much of it. I also noticed I got 4 biolense seeds on one of them.

[rapid cloud]

no idea thats why im asking lol

[split thunder]

what the hell even is this chat right now, armchair warrior CEO board of executives meeting - calm down you fricking nerds/class traitors

[sand radish]

So again, Sony didn't buy Bungie because they thought Marathon was gonna make them trillionaires. They did it because it makes sense. You know, "synergy"

[carmine estuary]

WHERE DOSE THE DIRE MOSH BOSS SZPAWN

[crystal coral]

but like what do you mean they could gear up quickly by doing duos because its on the main lobby? You can gear up just as fast in any other queue

[sand radish]

Even if the revenues don't pan out, they still won, kinda deal. Did they overpay? Maybe. But that's more the fault of the Sony decisionmakers.

[crystal coral]

There's one in the bottom of Algae Ponds that I know about

[rapid cloud]

cuz like they have less teams to contest them and they can get good gear from warden and lockdowns

[maiden carbon]

They bought Bungie based on a long term revenue figure they expected Bungie to be able to provide for asset holding and leverage purposes. They were never going to make 3.6B on marathon. They need to make enough to support a studio large enough to make a D3, other novel IPS, etc. If that future outlook looks bleak, Sony won't support it long-term.

[sand radish]

Bungie is just gonna ask them for money and Sony will either give em money or stall.

[crystal coral]

Honestly with how quickly you lose loot and with how limited vault space is I don't think they'd disable lockdowns just to stop people trying to loot them fast

[sand radish]

I've worked for multibillion dollar holding companies. Many of their subs don't make money.

They either just stop giving them money at which point they're kinda just tucked in a corner doing nothing

Or they keep giving them money because they have cash anyway

Worst case Bungie gets layoffs that's it but Marathon is gonna keep on trucking on is what I mean

As for D3, they just need to get a loan for that, and Sony can.

[rose peak]

why wont it let me post in the lfg chat

[maiden carbon]

I'd imagine that's the long-term plan, but they need this game to generate more revenue than it's currently trending in order to do that.

[terse peak]

ok, so I looked back and apparently in the sony playstation blog post about s2 of marathon they revealed that the cradle system might allow us to adjust stats like move points between stuff like heat recovery/melee damage/hardware/agility/etc. . Interestingly enough they also revealed the name of the new shell, Sentinel

[sand radish]

The reason why these giant companies buy other companies in the first place is they have to spend cash and they don't have anything better to do with it

If they sit on cash people stop trading stocks because "oh they're not spending so they're not gonna make more money in the future"

Market cap tanks and the big boys at the top get less money for their shares

It's why people like investing in companies that don't make money

[split thunder]

I love how the whole economy runs on wishes and dreams and made up make believe - it's so great, I totally don't get existential dread that one day it'll all collapse ... nope totally fine here yessirreee

[sand radish]

They're SPENDING money means they're gonna make LOTS OF MONEY in the future

[barren pumice]

Everyone wants to be my frend. Too many frends😒

[crystal coral]

OH SHIT that's actually gonna be huge for build crafting. Still very hyped to see how the new shell ends up playing as well. I've seen a lot of people saying its going to be a UESC operative? But I feel like that would have big issues for game balance so it'd probably have to be more like a rogue runner IF its still that same concept

[sand radish]

If companies stop spending money on AI the whole economy will stop, but if they keep spending it keeps going, you know

[open storm]

Are marathon servers down? Or is it just me

[maiden carbon]

ehhhh, some of that. Especially on the short-term accounting side it has benefits, but no man, to say that Sony is scrooge McDuck is accurate. To say that Sony is a patient Scrooge McDuck is not accurate at all. They're not exactly known for patience and compassion in these sorts of decisions. They'll sell off the assets before the value dips any lower before they'll be willing to just accept lower ROI long term.

[plucky hound]

how many teams spawn in duos diremarsh?

[sand radish]

It's a video game company, there ain't much assets.

And nobody is buying Bungie rn

[noble swift]

Trying out the "looking-for-crew" section... but I keep getting a message "Your message could not be delivered." Am I supplosed to do something before I can post there?

[crystal coral]

not true I will actually be purchasing Bungie for $13 tomorrow afternoon

[sand radish]

In the simplest way, if I spend $1 on Marathon would I reasonably get $2 back? Yes? Then it keeps going.

[maiden carbon]

There are. No, they won't buy Bungie RN. People will buy pieces of Bungie though. The proprietary and patented aim assist/gunplay algorithms, for example. Those would be worth quite a bit for just those IP assets alone.

[sand radish]

Now if I only had $100 and I could spend it somewhere else and I would get $300 then Marathon stops.

But nothing is gonna suck away all of Sony's money rn.

Even if there was there are fancy people with "risk" in their title that will say "it's probably a good idea to at least spend $10 on Marathon, just in case" so it keeps going

[split thunder]

are you in this one? https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1484690684190658690

[noble swift]

yup

[turbid plover]

It doesn't work for some people because Discord is shit. Use old channel in that case #lfc-any-zone

[split thunder]

[earnest hound]

co evolution 5 is such a shit contract bruh, everytime I make it into the anomaly there's some full pruple dude waiting or already fighting shit because they don't get this is the contract lockdown 😔

[sand radish]

It's also worth noting that Sony bought Bungie for their live service expertise, ergo they don't know shit about this thing.

So like it or not their best bet is to listen to what Bungie has to say at least

It's like hiring a Nuclear Power Plant Engineer and they told you it was gonna make 3m but it only made 1m. They say "here's what we need to make 3m by XYZ"

[maiden carbon]

Bungie has a niche extraction shooter and a destiny IP that has run it's course. We are now entering fantasy land if you think Sony is going to let that downward value trend continue without future increased revenue prospects.

[sand radish]

I don't know shit about nuclear power plants so I kinda have to at least listen to what he has to say y'know

[rough obsidian]

nuclear mentioned 🎉

[maiden carbon]

Sony thought they hired a nuclear power plant engineer, current evidence, and the value provided, is starting to make it look more like they accidentally hired somebody who only worked janitorial duties at the power plant. Dude there's a reason Paul Tassi released an article begging Sony to support the game for atleast a year less than 2 weeks after launch. Dude he's not publishing that out of thin air, he's getting this from sources internally at both Sony and Bungie.

[sand radish]

bruh that's just Tassi wanting attention

He writes to get clicks not to convince some random CEO not to axe a game he likes

[earnest hound]

no way this dude is citing Tassi as someone credible 😭

[sand radish]

Tassi also corroborated that there are no major changes to Marathon's plans, they're just gonna keep on keeping on, so nothing to worry about right

[patent sage]

Fr the guy is KNOWN to be not very credible

[rough obsidian]

"Paul Tassi says 'There is no way'"

[turbid plover]

Tassi is more credible than a lot of people here considering he has direct connections in the industry, both Sony and Bungie. He has no influence over the direction of either finances or development. He's just a journalist that does journo things with a splash of his own experience. Take it with a grain of salt and stay informed.

[sand radish]

Also whoever Tassi's source is probably ain't high enough to know whether or not Sony plans on axing em anw

[civic charm]

uhhhhh I'm just gonna copy and paste this from another chat...
So I think what all the people with hateboners staring at the steam charts and grok analytics are missing is that this is Bungie we’re talking about. Sony didn’t buy them for their game or upcoming game. They bought them for their experience. One of the things Bungie learned through experience is that in live service it’s not about your position, but about velocity.
Position is your launch sales. Velocity is how fast you can move and react and iterate. How fast can you react to player sentiment and get a patch triaged and out the door. Can you do it weekly? Can you get it done in 24hr?
So whatever. Launch probably wasn't that great. They started in a poor position and in response are ramping up velocity. :sonicshrug:
however all this doomerism does more harm for the studio then good because people on the fence about playing may be more likely to not pick up the game because it's dead/dying
now with all that said... where do I apply to be a forbes.com writer?

[civic charm]

Sources tassi used for the article in quesiton are untrustworthy. I already called him out for this

[carmine estuary]

whats the best weapon to kill bosses im wanna farm them dont know what to use tho

[civic charm]

https://x.com/d2checkpoint/status/2036936015278203055

[sand radish]

Just use EMP grenades, outside of that any weapon will do fine

[carmine estuary]

why emp may i ask

[mild mountain]

I like LMGs just for the ammo capacity.

[turbid plover]

Gotta pay the bills somehow, we have multiple reporters and outlets for a reason after all

[mild mountain]

destroyer is also v good for bosses with his prime.

[dawn arrow]

Outpost loot feels so dogwater after cryo archive 💔🥀

[earnest hound]

I mean anyone who was around for destiny and early d2 knows the dude's articles were literally just lifted reddit posts/comments with slight tweaks to them, I'm not gonna write off the possibility that since then thanks to reddit riding him he hasn't garnered some amount of influence that might give him access to industry people willing to talk to him but I'd still be extra skeptical of anything he says lmao

[sand radish]

Energy deals more damage to shields, bosses have gold shields, also EMP might disable their bombs and stuff

[carmine estuary]

WHAT THAT woud be so good for the one on dire marsh

[turbid plover]

Thas why I'm saying take it with a grain of salt, and use multiple sources. Don't take one man's or outlets word as gospel

[sand radish]

Look guys, if Marathon and the team was on the chopping block, most of them wouldn't know it until the day they're getting told they don't have a job.

[turbid plover]

But in the end we'll never know the full details. We can only make educated guesses.

[sand radish]

And Paul Tassi ain't sharing drinks with Mr. Sony CEO or whatever

[carmine estuary]

woah what are yall talking about is marthon getting shutdown??

[patent sage]

No...

[mild mountain]

no lol. it’s foolish to assume a game that’s got a real healthy player base is at real risk.

[turbid plover]

That's just classic corpo. Whether the game or the studio dies or thrives I'm just going to have fun with it while I can, and hopefully for years to come.

[civic charm]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[maiden carbon]

Tassi and Bungie have a very mutually beneficial relationship. Tassi gets inside information and thus a cushy job at a major journalistic publication in return for mediocre work and reddit quality reporting, he also gets paid to play video games. Bungie has a stooge they can leak information to in order to message their internal thoughts they can't say themselves. That was my point about the Tassi begging Sony to give them a year at least. He was mouth piecing a public plea from inside Bungie.

[sand radish]

The only person in that team that would certainly know is Ziegler, Mr. Sony would tell him "here's a list, pick 100 people you don't need"

And Ziegler ain't telling Tassi to write articles that makes his project look bad lol

[patent sage]

It sucks because the subreddit eats his words up like they're gospel. Hell one of the top posts is just thousands of comments saying "yikes. sony kill game. bad number. steam chart. paul tassi." 💀

[turbid plover]

Real

[carmine estuary]

also whats the best way to manage the vauklt i feel like i got no room for loot lol

[pure ember]

@patent sage Sick profile

[civic charm]

Tassi lists his source in the article. Source has been shown repeatedly in the past to give widly incorrect numbers

[patent sage]

Good to know

[mild mountain]

do not understand the doomism around what is a good game. I don’t get it.

[patent sage]

me when I just make shit up:

[sand radish]

People want a game they like to be #1 or smth

[carmine estuary]

dosent it have more players than d2 rigth now guys lmao marthon is great

[patent sage]

Thanks bro

[scarlet remnant]

Keep upgrade mats and your favorites, sell everything else - especially if you can buy it from the armory and it's not way too expensive.

[carmine estuary]

i got blue bullys lke 4 and 5 green ones i migth just start selling green guns so i have space lol bc i got bettter ones

[turbid plover]

Ziegler is just the game director, he's not one of the suits that run the business. Even he might end up on the chopping block for all we know.

[scarlet remnant]

I joined this Discord to talk the game and all I see is the same stuff I see on every forum, just doom&gloom. Man, I hate how discourse driven gaming is.

[sand radish]

He's the game director so he knows which people are needed to keep it going

[mild mountain]

I’m 115 hours into the game it’s still giving me the itch. I’m not particularly easy to please when it comes to games either. not many hold my attention anymore lol.

[maiden carbon]

He didn't list all the sources, i promise. You won't have to try to convince me that Tassi is a stooge, or that he's often used for convenient public subterfuge, but in this case it's a bit of a leap man. People internally at Bungie are concerned enough to get the stooge on line 7 and start public messaging. Bungie is very segmented. Devs have very little contact with suite, and to some degree other dev teams.

[civic charm]

Even worse... Source is banned from multiple community forums and blogs for this reason. It's actually pathetic when a damn forum has better journalistic integrity then a forbes.com writer 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[scarlet remnant]

That's what I did. Started selling greens when I got more blues. Started selling blues when I got more purples.

[sand radish]

He could be on the chopping block, but that's AFTER he gives them the names of people not important first

[turbid plover]

Potentially

[carmine estuary]

im starting to ge tpurps and stuf now sohappy plus im just running my fav guns and stuff wit good kits now bc i can its helping me survive more fitghs and get more loot like i just hit a jey room and a boss in one raid bc i brougth a actaul kit and didnt run free mida kit

[tiny swift]

Good to see Elias Toufexis doing stuff as a voice actor/director. Been wondering what he was up to. Assassin isn't my favorite character line wise but as soon as I heard him doing goofy voice lines its just like. Ok, fine, geez, chill out edgelord. lol

[scarlet remnant]

That's awesome! These games really click once you get more confident in yourself while playing them.

[civic charm]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[sand radish]

Marathon is gonna have double the numbers it's doing now in a year. Mark my words doomers.

[maiden carbon]

I don't think ziegler is on the chopping block. He's very good at what he does. He will be forced to make drastic changes to the game at some point though. Honestly if they do Axe him, then he'll pop up somewhere else pretty quickly.

[carmine estuary]

im not bad i just dont got a team so i kinda hate going kitted bc it feels scary hopefully i can find one bc ive always been confindent with my gear and ran it but just got into the free kit cycle on outpost bc its so broken rn they need a timer inbetween free kits bc it kinda in my oppion gets rid of the reason to play rook plus none of my friends like this game they say it sucks they hate extraction shooters

[maiden carbon]

ok?

[turbid plover]

He already did make drastic changes to the game when he was brought in, we may expect more

[turbid plover]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[mild mountain]

just don’t understand the doom and gloom! games good! just let the game be good!

[rough obsidian]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[maiden carbon]

There will be more. Game doesn't need to be COD, but it does need to appeal to more casual gamers.

[novel cedar]

Does bloodthirsty have a soft-cap? It was giving 200+ a kill now it gives 8

[scarlet remnant]

Sadly not possible with games in today's day and age. If a game doesn't have at least 2 discourses around it on launch it's like it doesn't exist, apparently.

[earnest hound]

that's because a certain crowd literally has nothing but finances and metrics left to talk about because the game wasn't the flop they were hoping for and the game was reviewed positively across the board 🫃

[turbid plover]

The game already officially outlived Concord. Next is outliving Highguard 💀

[civic charm]

I think what all the people with hateboners staring at the steam charts and grok analytics are missing is that, Sony didn’t buy them for their game or upcoming game. They bought them for their experience. And one of the most important things Bungie has learned through years of live service is that your position matters far less than your velocity.

Position is launch sales, player counts, review scores. Velocity is how fast you can move, react, and iterate. How quickly can you respond to player sentiment and get a patch triaged and shipped? Can you turn that around weekly? In 24 hours? How fast can you take where you are today and close the gap to where the game needs to be?

So whatever. Launch probably wasn't that great. They started from a rough spot and are ramping up velocity in response

-# This is not ChatGPT output -- I'm just like this.

[turbid plover]

And we all know that it will unless something literally shoots Marathon or Bungie in the head

[dawn arrow]

Damn the doomerposting is hitting peaks

[signal bough]

wdym next bro we didn't lose 80% of the pop in 2 days LMAO

[dawn arrow]

Like yall the game has a healthy playerbase and a fairly good level of retention

[scarlet remnant]

Welcome to Highguard!

[signal bough]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[mild mountain]

this this this this this this.

[civic charm]

went on a date today. she was not the one. didn’t understand when I pulled out the marathon steam charts. called me a “weirdo” for doing the important work of critical analysis on player counts every 30 minutes, sacrificing my time for the greater good. I bet she doesn’t even know I mod the /r/gaming subreddit at the same time. multitasking is nothing for me. but fine, leave.

[mild mountain]

like the people it has hooked just keep coming back lol. and more players are eventually going to crack and be like “you know lemme give this a fair shot”

[dawn arrow]

Don't get me wrong I would love to see this game explode in popularity (and farm the noobs for their brokie gear) but tbh for that to happen bungie has to focus on rounding out the rough edges and some good PR for the game

[maiden carbon]

I don't think those discourses actually effect much. People don't base their decisions on discourse. The cringy ragebait crowd who want every game to fail, has just as little impact as the blind supporters. It's all very low-brow slop. It's why i can't figure out why publishers blow massive marketing spends on streamer support. I don't think it really moves the needle much. Real people try a game and then either play it, or they don't. If they like it they tell friends. If they don't they stop playing, and then tell friends. Most of the feedback i'v heard is something along the lines of "the game gunplay is amazing, i like the unique art style, it should be a huge thing, but i played it and it's not not made for me".

[dawn arrow]

Literally they need to allocate some budget for paying shortform content creators to make memes about the game (like every game studio does these days)

[turbid plover]

Have you not seen their socials? They already do that. Not to the crazy brainrot content farm levels, but they do to an extent

[civic charm]

They need to hire whatever vendor currently handles it for SEGA/Atlus 😭

[dawn arrow]

They need the brainrot because brainrot is highly viral and virulent

They tried with bingus but let's be honest bingus is an old ass out of touch millennial meme

[mossy ore]

baby lions go where the owls go

[dawn arrow]

They need some newgens to make brainrot about the game

[scarlet remnant]

TIL that Bingus is based on a meme lmao

[earnest hound]

I mean, the good thing is that due to the nature of the game it's not exactly super hard, it's much easier to get people into the game thanks to wipes since you don't have to worry about any disparities between players and trying to balance catching up the new ones while not completely ruining the intended progression path

[granite carbon]

Brainrot wouldn't work for this game because it's not the right audience attractor for who would actually stay with the game lol.

[dawn arrow]

Yeah its an old ass fucking covid era (I think even pre covid) meme that has been unfunny for like the last half decade

[fading zinc]

I think #🗣marathon-general-chat would disagree

[patent sage]

Wow, someone should make a clarifying post on the Subreddit about the whole Paul Tassi thing

[scarlet remnant]

Crazy that it completely missed me. Or I might've just forgotten but that rarely happens with random stuff.

[turbid plover]

They would need to have a brain to rot in the first place

[scarlet remnant]

Also idk if this is the right channel for it but just wanted to share that I reached Rank 100 today and got the "plat" for the game lol. Marathon my beloved.

[dawn arrow]

As long as there is manufactured hype and a dedicated hypeman people will stick with it, this is what people like peanut is to arc raiders or ninja is to early fortnite (old ass example ik)

[patent sage]

Yeah literally. I've seen people unironically argue that Sony bought Bungie SOLELY for the promise of Marathon and expected them to make ALL that investment money right back very quickly. It's completely delusional. And yep you're totally right on the iteration & velocity point. Only green flags in that area so far imo

[brave sinew]

Every time I die in this game I feel more anxiety building and the only thing that gets rid of it is another slice of cake.

[dawn arrow]

Sony bought bungie for halo obviously

[patent sage]

Yum

[granite carbon]

I think the problem with that method is that this game is much less accessible to the general playerbase than either of your two examples.

[dawn arrow]

Tbh after giving some serious time to marathon its time to end the cope that marathon isn't accessible to casuals because it is there's a high skill ceiling for sure but a casual can pick up this game and slowly learn to preform

[scarlet remnant]

Marathon is in a weird place when it comes to accessibility in the extraction shooter genre. It's not as accessible as ARC cause it's not casual. It's much more accessible than Tarkov cause it's not as punishing, matchmaking doesn't take hours (hyperbole, iykyk). But its fast paced PVP nature makes it somehow less accessible. At least that's what I've gathered from my friends who tried the slam but didn't stick with it.

[sand radish]

Marathon is accessible, their UI just sucks so it overwhelms people.

[granite carbon]

That's the thing a game being accessible to casual players is them feeling good about their first runs and the game as a whole. Newbies don't care about the skill ceiling if they don't feel like playing after 5 runs, as snow just said it's an inbetween from Tarkov and ARC so it doesn't quite sweetspot to either major playerbase.

[maiden carbon]

This is not reality. Enough of your 9-5 middle class average joe Gary's think the game is either too hard, or they like it, but the time commitment makes it untenable for them to get full value out of it because they just don't have the amount of free time the game demands to achieve that.

[sand radish]

Also they keep using their own lingo so people don't know that Mechanics Kits are antidotes and stuff.

[scarlet remnant]

I disagree that the UI sucks, just takes an hour to get used to. It's better than Destiny's mix/match imo.

I do agree that items could use some better "huh, so this is what it is" at a quick glance. I've played over a hundred hours yet some stuff I still need to hover over to figure out what it does. Same with mods, chips, etc.

[karmic flower]

Go off king

[sand radish]

Icons are part of the UI man

[rough obsidian]

If you can't take a few minutes to learn a UI it's over for you

[scarlet remnant]

True, in my defense it's 3am and I am half awake!

I misplaced UI for menus, the UI definitely could use some work.

[dawn arrow]

Tbh most of these people I meet are actually just mentally deficient and cant understand a simple callout like 'he's above you on the roof to your left' which causes them to call the game hard

[sand radish]

Everyone and their mother was playing Apex Legends when it came out, and Marathon is NOT less accessible than Apex imo

[granite carbon]

It is, and only because people get attached to their items

[scarlet remnant]

The problem is item persistence, people cannot let go of that.

[granite carbon]

UI/Gameplay it's not, but the mindset of an extraction shooter AND slightly attentive gameplay mechanics is where the barrier is formed

[sand radish]

Uh, but people like loot. So I think it cancels out.

[granite carbon]

Gear fear is a hurdle that many people never fix lol

[split thunder]

I am that Joe Gary and it seems fine to me but idk maybe I'm just the audience or something

[alpine ginkgo]

Destiny 2's UI is actually hot garbage Marathon UI is infinitely better in every conceivable way
It feels fairly intuitive for the most part except I struggled to find the faction quests menu for a couple days

[maiden carbon]

No, but it came out and grew during COVID when the number of people who had shit tons of spare time to dedicate on video game improvement was significantly higher than it is now.

[scarlet remnant]

Gear fear is the issue, yeah. You do not get that in Apex cause you don't keep anything after a match.

[scarlet remnant]

The menus are intuitive and only takes like an hour to get used to them. However I think that chips, some usables, etc. could stand to be better at telling you what they are/do at a quick glance.

Implants for example could be just heads, legs, torso icons instead of the highlighted parts whole body.

[turbid plover]

Implants are colour coded as well so it's not that big of an issue. Chips and cores really suffer though

[patent sand]

If you need time to learn what is where then it is not intuitive at all?

[sand radish]

This person has a point

[granite carbon]

I do want to say that the irony of someone with a GTNH tag talking about intuitive is not lost on me.

[turbid plover]

Considering a lot of chips have effects similar or same as some traits from D2 I think they all could have a unique and clearly distinct designs

[patent sand]

Oh boy, wait till you see my profile description

[split thunder]

yeah I think the icons should be like this: https://imgur.com/a/7p56yBq

[graceful current]

We need a NETGRAPH option - saw stuck bots, not recog me but a fow sec later attac ...bots reenter a room after shooting on them ..like a glitch ...YOU DONT SHOW YOUR NETWORK PERFORMANCE

[split thunder]

for the implant icons, it's way easier to tell them apart at a glance, I guess they are also color coded and the bigger pictures are helpful but I just feel like they could be clearer, idk maybe it doesn't matter - it's very nitpicky

[brave sinew]

Is it pretty much pointless to bring gear into a match if you lose every fight? Like, I get that maybe having better gear will increase survival rate, but by how much? I just feel like green shield isn't going to change ttk by enough to matter.

[brisk mantle]

Green gear is mid yeah, it’s about bringing shit to protect your backpack

[sand radish]

By a lot.

[brave sinew]

I don't really bother looting. It's kind of a waste of time when I know theres like a 95% chance im going to die. Just trying to complete contracts.

[scarlet remnant]

I said "get used to" due to the visual language of the game. I never had to learn what is where in the menus - the tags/buttons are pretty clear. ymmv 🤷‍♂️

[granite carbon]

It is fairly significant because better gear lets you actually have a chance at a fight, also if you're losing anyways you might as well run what you have so you can get better and used to varied levels of equipment. Ignore the gear fear in your soul, it all belongs to the world, not you.

[maiden carbon]

He does. the UX is a mess. Point still remains, they could fix that tomorrow and it wouldn't change anything player number wise. Until they give base kits shields, raise the TTK, make consumables significantly less expensive, and lower the rare resource requirements on faction upgrades and IMPROVE THE SOLO EXPERIENCE, the game numbers are just gunna under perform. ARC raiders has a grip on the hyper casual pve crowd, Tarkov and Hunt have a market grip on the unshowered and unemployed pvp crowd. There's room for a pvp focused game that caters to normal people who like pvp, but isn't punishing to the point it just causes an 80% uninstall rate within the first 10 hours.

[sand radish]

There’s your problem. You’re trying to play the game without adhering to the goal of the game, which is to successfully extract.

If you’re not playing to exfil successfully you will never learn how to

[granite carbon]

Give one meaningful way to improve the solo experience, I'm really curious to hear it. I've yet to see anyone make good arguments for that while complaining about it.

[polar grove]

thee goal isnt to just complete contracts man.

[brave sinew]

If I wanted to sucessfully extract I would wait in a corner of the map until there was 2 minutes left in the raid, then run to an extract. That's how I played tarkov and it's boring.

[scarlet remnant]

"I don't really bother looting" is kind of going against what the game is about.

[granite carbon]

Eh, focusing on contracts to get used to the game with free kits is perfectly valid and very similar to starter player recommendations for other extraction shooters tbh

[brave sinew]

I just sort of accept that I'm not going to extract.

[sand radish]

This man is playing a Contract Completion Shooter

An entirely different genre

[mellow prism]

does anyone know if you need the final nucal capstone before you can barter for purple shields? or does the superior salvage barter upgrade enable purple shield barter

[scarlet remnant]

You will into existence what you accept, yes. But that's not a good way to approach this particular type of game.

[polar grove]

i think a different type of shooter is more your style.

[rough obsidian]

should be capstone for buying with credits and barter for bartering

[scarlet remnant]

You don't need it, it's a "random" barter as far as I know. I have it on today and don't have the final capstone.

[mellow prism]

shiieet guess i've just been unlucky legit haven't seen the enzyme for purple shield barter

[scenic tree]

gotta loot it off the dead corpse of a runner

[brave sinew]

I think I'm just upset because I want to play the game but I just don't get it.

[mellow prism]

most people in my lobbies (i mostly solo) run blue but yeah most of my purps have been from pvp in cryo

[patent sand]

What do you mean with visual language?

[polar grove]

loot,kill both ai and runners, extract, turn in contracts, get rewards, repeat

[scarlet remnant]

From what you've been writing it sounds like gear fear or general anxiety about encounters. I'd recommend just running Rook for a couple of matches to see how that feels.

[mellow prism]

you don't HAVE to like it it's just a game if you feel like trying it again go for it otherwise just drop it lol

[maiden carbon]

For starters AI scaling. Events aren't really doable in solo mode, which makes farming rare resources tough. That then locks people out of the ability to buy important upgrades like Blue shields. Making contracts specifically for solo would also be smart. The loop for them right now is basically spending time building resources solo, but then they're forced into random crew fill to attempt acquiring meaningful stuff, which by default puts an entirely different level of difficulty. Remove Assassin class altogether for solo queue. Honestly i personally wouldn't care if they just removed it from the game and replaced it with the new shell in season 2.

[iron kelp]

that's fine, extraction shooter really is a niche. I think how i look at it is your loot isn't your loot.

[sand radish]

So to not die, you have to:

1. Rush a spawn and clear it
2. Clear your POI
3. Listen to sounds every once in a while
4. Scope out every POI before you enter to see if there are players.

You cannot run from your spawn to your contract location and expect to live most of the time.

[scenic tree]

improve solos by turnin proximity voice off and making live to the whole lobby

[mellow prism]

if you're afraid of losing gear my best advice is focus on meta progression if you progress far enough you can buy a good kit off the shop if you ever run out and you can advance meta progression without good kits

[scenic tree]

im afraid of losing you my comrade runner

[sand radish]

If you see another player, you need to kill them. Do not hide.

[mellow prism]

the factions honestly shower you with so much gear when you complete their quests and each time you level up

[iron kelp]

sometimes this works and so far i haven't have this problem yet BUT every now and then you run into rats. so infuriating

[scarlet remnant]

I found the tone/colors/etc. overwhelming when I first played the game. Cause I'm used to games not really doing that often. It starts in the menus. And that's a me thing (sensory I guess), hence the ymmv. But I also probably worded my initial statement poorly, so apologies for that.

[sand radish]

If you know there are players around you and you do not kill them, they will kill you.

[iron kelp]

this aint arc raiders son

[scenic tree]

rats and people who rush spawn are all children of arachne

[sand radish]

If you try to run away, they will chase you and gun you down.

If you try to hide, they will eventually find you and kill you. Everyone in this game is John Wick trying to wipe the lobby.

[granite carbon]

AI already got tuned back a bit and is definitely solo manageable, events are always going to be risky business even in squads so that's no real difference. Solo only contracts is terrible because then it would make people feel forced to solo which is never a fun time. If you farm the resources solo like that, then you would just keep going solo and you're not really forced into random fill like you say so I disagree. Also assassin class is great for solo because the invis isn't really strong against other players but fantastic against the AI, would objectively increase the average solo difficulty which is against what you'd want.

[brave sinew]

Not really afraid of losing gear. It's more that it's going to serve me better as credits for the permanent upgrades than something I take into raid and lose.

[scenic tree]

I'm a loot goblin not fit for combat unless i have shotties and i see you first

[scarlet remnant]

Confidence is key in PVP encounters. As soon as you doubt yourself/your ability you most likely will fail.

[polar grove]

wrong my dude

[coarse rock]

Half the time what people call rats is someone who heard them being super loud and coming in their direction, waited until they came in and killed them.

They call it rat, I call it winning the fight.

[iron kelp]

havent seen much rat in this game yet (probably cause im still new) but in other extraction shooters, especially the third person pov one. it feel so ass

[sand radish]

You play solo so I'm pretty sure you're a rat.

[maiden carbon]

No when I say AI scaling and making events in solo more doable. I literally mean there should be events like lockdown scaled down to solo playability level. I mean there should be nothing you can't do solo that you can do in a squad. It'll be tougher, but atleast it should be doable. By solo only contracts, I mean making new contracts going forward seperate for solo and group play. I wouldn't even mind if they made the group ones more difficult.

[mellow prism]

nahhhh i've seen some egregious ratting like people camping the conveyance request room with a shotgun

[coarse rock]

I don't sit in one room for extended periods of time waiting

[iron kelp]

amen tbh

[scenic tree]

i mean what type of rat tactics we talkin about. people camp exfils

[mild mountain]

events are super easily done in solos lol. arguably easier than with a team.

[scenic tree]

in solos assasins find a nest and prawl around like territory

[coarse rock]

lol

[sand radish]

Sane people with better things to do don't play solos.

[scenic tree]

like i would say 40 percent of the lobby is always an assasin so you'd see them every match

[mellow prism]

nah i think solos is amazing and actually feels like an extraction shooter

[coarse rock]

Assassin is probably like 10% of my playtime or less, mostly Thief, Vandal, and Destroyer

[scenic tree]

i just had a lobby on a dude who hates thiefs

[mild mountain]

saying. most of my game time is in solos.

[iron kelp]

umm...i saw the spawn camp one or maybe i was just unlucky, sometime is like a random building i wasnt even running i was walking and i open the door and get double barrel. can be a skill issue tho lul

[brave sinew]

Hard to have confidence when I lose every fight. Like I said, I don't really get it. Like, people always do crazy things like jump around rooftops and just like totally seem to disappear from where they were and shoot me from behind. Or like jump all around and wiggle and all these things. They do it in every shooter.

[scenic tree]

i mean i would too since they never learn to hack the team or get out of drone when theyre done scoutin

[granite carbon]

Ehh, you eventually hit an issue here though where making it "playable" for solos actually just makes it the most efficient way to farm. Also leads into lobby manipulation to solo in together, and breaks away from what the idea is for some of the much larger events

[iron kelp]

i play thief cause I love strand hunter lol

[scenic tree]

you gotta hug walls and never have ur back out traumatized style

[mellow prism]

the best thing you can do to improve your FPS gamesense is to play more tbh

[coarse rock]

Assassin is the worst shell for fighting players, even in solos. I will stand by that. People are just dumb and think invis = op easy win so they use it thinking it's going to make them better

[mellow prism]

but if you're not enjoying it don't force yourself? it's reallt just a game

[alpine ginkgo]

Oh yeah that's a good point. The implants all look the same

[granite carbon]

Free kit, vibe until you hear gunshots and hunt them down. Best way to get more confidence is to kill more people, you only get better with experience for that kind of thing

[scarlet remnant]

Game sense, repositioning, flanking, etc. The worst thing you can do when you engage with someone is to stay in the same spot they last saw you at (unless you have the upper hand).

Marathon is best played constantly on the move, even in encounters. Cause when you stay in one spot just waiting you are giving your enemy the upper hand information-wise.

[iron kelp]

Lmao I’m sure as I get used to the world I’d get better

[patent sand]

Colours and stuff have a big inpact on the ui though... like for example:

If you ready up and the game locks you out of changing your loadout.... why not make your current loadout a different shade to also visually represent the state of your loadout (just like a send button would not be active and not have the same colour as when it can be pressed)

[alpine ginkgo]

The thing is Assassin attracts all the best players. Every time my teammate 1v3s, they're a sweaty assassin player

[sand radish]

I have never seen an assassin be useful. I'm sorry to say.

[scenic tree]

an assasin durin an outpost match kept playin peakaboo with the shotgun and yes we all died. with a smoke out durin it and we were outside the smoke just waiting lol

[sand radish]

Each and every one of my fill assassin just died first. I'm not even joking. 100 hours of playtime.

[granite carbon]

Assassin is great for the PvE content and if you're good can be very funny for pvp

[random abyss]

I love how the designs in this game is "anti realism" and yet it feels like it can also exist irl
I FUCKING LOVE IT RAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
also I just realized that im in the wrong chat :P

[scarlet remnant]

To be fair I was speaking purely about basic navigation in the menus. I do agree that this could use some work, as could other UI elements like the aforementioned icons.

[sonic portal]

/contract 34fb592c-9d0e-499a-9c7b-cfd0b0dc9454

[granite carbon]

Consequence of the job sometimes

[coarse rock]

I don't really think there's anything wrong with playing any class tbh, but I do think Assassin has the worst abilities and is boring.

[patent sand]

I always stick claymores in the room on Outpost where you need to put the conveyance key in.

[maiden carbon]

Hey you ain't wrong my dude, there's flaws in every solution. I'm just saying your average 9-5 gary who used to play halo and tries the game, is not going to deal with trying to do solo lockdowns with no shield kits queue after queue, while an assassin who's so unshowered you can smell their balls through the screen .6 ttks them over and over while they try to find something called a biolens seed, which they read on google drops from greenhouse, but they've never actually seen it drop. Bro most of those people have jobs and families, they're not gunna get stamped for 20 hours until they understand the game. They'll just go get good at something else.

[brave sinew]

Which class do you think is best for solo?

[scenic tree]

ass

[granite carbon]

Unfortunately the game is never going to be engineered towards that person, the very casuals are not targeted with this game which is fine.

[scenic tree]

sasin

[alpine ginkgo]

I think Assassin's abilities do have a very low skill floor compared to other classes

[mellow prism]

they're unironically all viable with recon being the weakest

[cerulean geyser]

Fascinating

[coarse rock]

Not if they do it right. When I played Cryo the first time after playing all solo I was shocked at how stupidly easy the UESC bots are when you're in a team. It's like a different game where the enemies are useless fodder.

[scenic tree]

yeah just go invis and stab smoke run away. like the most rat loadout

[sand radish]

Why not play trios

[brave sinew]

never really played in a group before

[scarlet remnant]

I don't think there's a "one class fits all" answer, depends on how you like to play. People will generally tell you assassin cause that's what the majority of solos use, I personally do not like that class for my gameplay preference. I play Thief or Vandal due to movement abilities.

[sand radish]

Bruh if you're dying 95% of the time and don't "get the game" I would stay FAR away from solo

[obsidian elbow]

Duos Marsh is fun! Way better than Peremiter! Absolutely cant wait for Outpost! Maybe if they got the balls to do it, cryo Duos and ranked duos!

[scarlet remnant]

Contrary to what a lot of people will tell you the fill function in Marathon works perfectly fine and is a GREAT way to experience Marathon.

[maiden carbon]

It needs to get more of those people. This type of game was never going to compete with Arc Raiders, nor should it. I'd quit, but it does not to be much more inviting and casual friendly than it is now.

[dawn arrow]

Nah solo teaches harsh lessons very quickly

[mellow prism]

destroyer and vandal let you disengage and reposition if you get jumped, thief is perma high ground in between POIs and can avoid PvE by hacking and also spots assassin, assassin is assassin and makes 0 noise in a POI because they dodge all PvE, recon can push behind her crab in a 1v1 for insane pressure etc

[brave sinew]

I guess I'm just really bad at the game so I don't want to drag other people down too.

[alpine ginkgo]

My fill teammates have been very polite even though 99% of the time I have standard kit. Highly recommend

[granite carbon]

Yeah but no way to tune them to that level without trivializing the bots, the whole reason they're easier in a team is because you now have triple the power budget at the expense of fighting other 3 man teams lol.

[coarse rock]

I agree with Snow here there's not a best class, there's the class you play best. Also I would argue it's much more important to play the class you enjoy most, because if you don't have fun there's no point.

[brave sinew]

Have people yell at me over coms to do things I don't understand.

[scenic tree]

fillin in teams is really crazy you either get no comms, people who rush alone/an area.

[sand radish]

You just need to find chill people man, they exist.

[mellow prism]

man you gotta reconsider why you're even playing the game it sounds like you're just not having fun

[scenic tree]

yeah plus people get mad at having no mics when i can just ping everything

[sand radish]

If you want to get the game, play it the way it was intended to be played, which is crew.

[mellow prism]

it's like i'm talking to someone stuck in a toxic relationship lmao

[scarlet remnant]

That doesn't happen often from my experience, at least I haven't had it happen in 100+ hours. I've mostly played with randoms. Of course you get the odd person who loves to backseat games, but that happens everywhere.

[scenic tree]

dude yeah. this one team got mad at me for gettin down doin my obj. but they legit rushed their contract then left me when i had somethin to do in their area.

[scarlet remnant]

Even when I royally mess up the team is usually just like "nice try man, good luck on your next" lol

[scenic tree]

then yell at me for not being able to get to exfil when im runnin back with no meds

[coarse rock]

Idk, the weakest bots are fine, but in solo doing events like security boxes is a much bigger risk because it takes a long time making a ton of noise. In trios you'll clear them out in under 30 seconds and be on with it.

[brave sinew]

I mean, I don't know if its "fun". Like, what even is "fun"? Most games are just boring, but extraction shooters at least make me feel something.

[granite carbon]

Maybe budget wise it does, but that is very obviously not their target audience for the game at a core concept. It is very hard to have a split experience on being easy/normal for the 9-5er who doesn't really want to spend a bunch of effort into a complex game while still having a late-game that is very complex

[scenic tree]

honestly i think media attracts the toxic people and then you get all the cod players jumpin on the hype bein a buncha shitheads

[iron kelp]

unless you are like me who live in Asia, cause no one in Asia open their damn mic.

[granite carbon]

Eh, just requires you to use util. Smoke grenades absolutely clean simple bot events easy

[sand radish]

I play Asia, I've met a lot of people who use their mic.

[coarse rock]

Idk though then again about the bots they also already nerfed them once, they were definitely too strong before but now things are at least more doable solo.

[alpine ginkgo]

Do you even like video games
(joke)

[scarlet remnant]

I'd say 60 % of the people I play with use a mic. And if not, they ping. Minority of the players I've played with didn't comm at all.

[iron kelp]

wait wait wait. when do you play i need some crewmates dawg

[brave sinew]

lol, honestly not really. I streamed games for like 5 years and it made me hate them. But, I still play them because its what I've always done.

[scenic tree]

if you're goin to queue with randoms do it here to find the group

[polar grove]

have faith and practice my dude. dedicate sometime to just learning the game. watch some videos, do anything but continue to be down on yourself.

[sand radish]

SEA

[turbid plover]

Just teamed up with 2 other solos on outpost 😭 that was so funny

[alpine ginkgo]

Unfortunate. Sorry to hear streaming ruined gaming for you

[scenic tree]

this sounds like burnout alittle.

[scarlet remnant]

This is not life advice so don't take it as such - but games are not really the thing you should do as a routine thing. Cause then they lose the fun factor, at least they would for me.

[scenic tree]

yeah i mean im here for the lore

plus sci fi stuff gets me rock hard ya know what i mean fellas

[alpine ginkgo]

Depends on the game. Personally Marathon and Valorant hit me like 3kg of crack

[scenic tree]

and i got to see bingus for the 2nd time so that was pretty awesome

[alpine ginkgo]

But yeah focusing on other hobbies and coming back to games might be very beneficial

[scarlet remnant]

Marathon hits like uber crack for me currently, like what Tarkov did to me way back in 2016-17

[iron kelp]

oh im mainly in like JP server and all, you down playing sometime with a new runner?

[polar grove]

a bong and a game is just perfection

[maiden carbon]

I just don't see them as incompatible. I don't personally see how giving newer players base shields, faster faction progression, better solo experience, etc. takes away the experience from Sweatier focused players. A higher TTK benefits both the new players and the skilled ones. It makes skilled gunplay even more lethal for good players. Headshots matter more. I mention these changes, and it's treated like an attack on the integrity of the game. I don't see how it alters the experience of higher skill brackets at all. Those players want higher TTKs, they don't give a damn about a new player having a green shield, and most of them don't play solo anyways.

[misty scaffold]

True. Still getting the hang of it but its a fun experience

[sand radish]

You can choose servers?

[brisk lance]

hello

[iron kelp]

not really i dont think but im in taiwan so I get queue into there

[scarlet remnant]

It's dope once it fully clicks, might take a while, but extraction shooters generally do take a while thanks to their learning curve.

[granite carbon]

It's artificially increasing the skill floor of the game is always how that kind of thing is seen, which directly contradicts making a higher skill ceiling. That is why you'll commonly get some level of backlash on ideas like that for games like these.

[rugged saffron]

Played all day.

No exfils.

Am I uniquely garbage or is game just hard?

[scenic tree]

I wish you could hear the factions wh enever u get faction xp for whatever crud

[granite carbon]

Game's hard sometimes

[rugged saffron]

Thank you

[iron kelp]

arc raiders introduce me to this genre and while that game has its moment. this game is serving my blood lust

[scarlet remnant]

Game is hard and extraction shooters are kind of known for their "one day sucks, another doesn't" outcomes.

[sand radish]

Yeah sure, I'm down. I'm level 60~ though, so be prepared because the players in these lobbies don't do anything but hunt other teams.

[rugged saffron]

Thank you! That's good to hear

[scenic tree]

like if they showed them in the top right givin us a thumbs up or like idk arachne slappin their hands together like a fly when u get a kill

[iron kelp]

this game is pretty hard lmao, I didnt expect to get roll by bots but i sure did at the beginning

[rugged saffron]

HEHEHE yeahhhh

[blissful heron]

May i know how to report Chinese teaming in Duo mode?

[scenic tree]

shared experience you get used to it

[rugged saffron]

LMFAO.
Might be a bit too distracting in such a high stakes game tho

[iron kelp]

i dont mind, i'd do the same if i have the gun for it

[blissful heron]

there like 6 people in the same time and killing all lobby

[scarlet remnant]

I love Marathon cause it's giving me the near perfect middle ground between ARC and Tarkov.

[scenic tree]

I welcome it. what would the future be if not corporations shovin ads in our face

[sand radish]

I do, I just want to do my contracts man but I'm forced to wipe the lobby first lmao

[misty scaffold]

im currently 8/2 failure/win, games hard lol

[scenic tree]

its easy to do contracts if you solo. just gotta get good at playing metal gear solid

[scarlet remnant]

You can team up with other players, it's not against the "rules".

[iron kelp]

i do wish bungo bring more of that destiny secret thing into marathon like cryo archive. I love a good bungo puzzle and dunegon

[sand radish]

I don't know what it is about this game, but purple teams will camp a free kit body for 15 minutes. That's how much bloodlust they got

[polar grove]

you can team up, no rules against it

[mild mountain]

games hard. dying is expected.

[scenic tree]

Arachne faction bro

[blissful heron]

They are mean to it, omg

[rugged saffron]

hehehehehe

[scarlet remnant]

Cryo Archive is borderline perfect, yeah. Loved my time with it and can't wait for more. And I'm sure it's just the sign of what's to come. The Marathon ship is MASSIVE and can have a hundred of zones.

[blissful heron]

they try to quene in the same time

[polar grove]

😉

[sand radish]

It's way too lucrative. It's like 90% of the loot is in Cryo.

[iron kelp]

havent get to play it but like when the game is hard, it makes me hard

[wind wave]

me and my duo just killed 4 other duos in dire marsh

[scenic tree]

im just a lil nucaloric looter tryna survive in an arachne world

[blissful heron]

That's what i met

[maiden carbon]

The skill floor of the game needs to be increased, which makes the skill ceiling higher........something like a higher TTK is a rising tide raises all ships situation. Makes the game more accessible, and actually makes good players even more lethal. I don't see why making the game at a baseline more accessible to newers players or players at the lower end of the free-time availability detract from higher level skill expression or accomplishments?

[scenic tree]

i must seize the resources back for my studmuffin ai

[polar grove]

they can if they like

[scarlet remnant]

Yep, but the exfil rate is also way lower so I think that evens out a bit.

[wind wave]

thats what you met?

[sand radish]

It doesn't. You exfil with like 50k on Cryo. 4 teams, average player is gonna make it out 25%. That's a massive profit.

[scarlet remnant]

Sorry man, I think you're either getting lost in translation or getting upset about a feature of the game.

[scenic tree]

I mean i feel like people who played destiny and halo can kinda understood how easy it is to be killin or dyin in these games

[rugged saffron]

I've been told scarcity is the focus of extraction shooters, and this one is more generous than others.

Just extraction shooter life.

[scarlet remnant]

I don't really see an issue with that.

If you know what you're doing you can exfil from Outpost with little under that and more consistently.

[rugged saffron]

I played Halo for years and the PvP in this game instantly rolled me. Low TTK difference I guess.

[sand radish]

It means less loot to allocate to Perimeter and Dire Marsh

[scarlet remnant]

That's fair, Perimeter does "suck" loot-wise. I don't play Dire Marsh all that much cause it's not a favorite of mine.

[fading zinc]

Hundreds of hours of crucible prepared me for the marathon mines

[scenic tree]

yo just get a sniper and go on dire marsh. and just rush peoples spawns

[rugged saffron]

They sought to balance that with it being time-limited.

I'd rather Cryo be big and scary and have a big payoff.

[mellow prism]

yeah perimeter and dire marsh need loot buffs imo no one even goes to POIs for loot it's just getting highground for pvp

[dawn arrow]

Does going ADS with the WSTR tighten the spread?

[maiden carbon]

But why? High skilled players and newbies/solos don't share the same resource pool? Why does it have to be that way?

[rugged saffron]

true 😭
Had that done to me. They had thermals too Satanic

[rugged saffron]

Because it's an extraction shooter and "fuck I'm poor all the time why is it so hard to get anything" is part of the genre.

I'm not versed enough in the genre to tell you why.

[scenic tree]

gotta climb down each of the maps to rebuild your vault if you gamba too much with ur loot

[scarlet remnant]

No you gave the perfect answer, literally every extraction shooter is like that. Even ARC due to its repair/upgrade prices.

[rugged saffron]

Damnnnnnnn. Good to know

[polar grove]

youre not supposed to be super geared all the time man. its all part of the genre.

[scarlet remnant]

Outpost is the best for that. Or Rook runs.

[maiden carbon]

Interesting, so it's a kick in the balls for the sake of being kicked in the balls. I mean hey if that's the cultural answer, then that's an answer.

[granite carbon]

Precisely

[polar grove]

yes

[scenic tree]

I suck too much to never exfil successfully

[rugged saffron]

This genre is about being kicked in the balls. We're all CBT enthusiasts here.

[scarlet remnant]

That is how extraction shooters have been since Tarkov, yep.

[granite carbon]

That is actually one of the most common phrases used for Tarkov LMAO

[mellow prism]

is it just me idk i've never felt this way in this game and i play solos apart from cryo

[scenic tree]

thats why im a parasite to my teammates

[granite carbon]

Well, maybe it looks less good now that we just had 5 people instantly say yes

[rugged saffron]

You might just be good at pvp 😢

[errant zodiac]

I too like Closed Beta Tests

[mellow prism]

the metaprogression in this game is so broken you get free blue shields everyday and can buy them for cheap?

[misty scaffold]

omg they really do just dome him lmaooo

[scenic tree]

you guys think they'll ever do bigger teams

[rugged saffron]

Nope

[dawn arrow]

God save me from this overflow purgatory I dont want to let go of anything

[polar grove]

i hope not

[rugged saffron]

Sell them and buy a big hat

[granite carbon]

Nah, already difficult to balance the differences

[scarlet remnant]

I hope not. And I don't think the maps would really accomodate that.

[mellow prism]

i don't think so tbh i mostly go for my quests i don't get a lot of eliminations

[polar grove]

it would be a shit show

[granite carbon]

Map size, loot, and shell powerbudgets would start getting very difficult if there were even larger teams

[scarlet remnant]

The maps are fairly small as far as extraction shooters go, so three mans is as much as is reasonable..

[scenic tree]

what if they made it 5v5 and made the maps wayyy smaller lol

[rugged saffron]

Maybe you're just good at stealth.

Sneaky and careful play where you don't greed too much and just finish contracts will keep your wallet and vault full

[mellow prism]

yeah if anything we need less teams imo trios is PvP with a little bit of E

[polar grove]

they did, cod lmao

[scenic tree]

yeah that is what im gettin at

[scarlet remnant]

Then you're asking for a different game lol. Halo might fit that bill.

[scenic tree]

but i would also think that'd be funny if they did a hellcage match where ur kit has to be 10k

[scarlet remnant]

I'd definitely be happy with one less team on Dire at the very least. The amount of times I spawn RIGHT NEXT to another team is too often.

[polar grove]

i tried adding to the joke, and failed you terribly lol

[scenic tree]

sorry i have asbergers

[rugged saffron]

Part of me does crave for a mode that lets me actually use the guns to get good with them.

I get a shotgun, I infill with it, I whiff 2 shots, I die.

Yeah yeah "get good" but it's hard when there's not much opportunity to practice this game's gunplay against other players.

Such is the nature of the genre though. Surely if they gave us a team deathmatch mode it 1: would suck because nothing about the game is balanced around that and 2: would degrade the experience by giving you a cheap way to run around with the best guns.

[polar grove]

i fucked up not you lol, no reason to apologize bro!

[scenic tree]

yeah I've like barely gotten to use any of the guns besides from the free kit or the weapons dropped in cryo lol

[polar grove]

fighting the bots will get you use to the guns

[scarlet remnant]

To be fair the guns from Cryo are the best in the game more often than not lol.

[rugged saffron]

Good point, thank you.

I'll have to use shotgun some more on the bots just so I get a feel for it. The recoil is so strong on the WSTR

[scenic tree]

yeah thats whats awesome about it that i'll let it drain me dry

[scarlet remnant]

That's by design. Hence why it's on a timer for each week. So we can get ready for the meat grinder again.

[scenic tree]

i just also really like that we're all inside

[scarlet remnant]

I exfiled 15 times from Cryo on the first weekend. Must've died like 30 times though lol.

[dawn arrow]

Rolling an 11k kit because I have no space to run anything cheaper :(

[scarlet remnant]

Good problem to have

[rugged saffron]

LMFAOOOOOO
Suffering from success

[scenic tree]

wish that was me rn

[rugged saffron]

You must've still gotten rich though

[dawn arrow]

And my expensive ass kit drops people like flies so I suffer more after the round

[scarlet remnant]

Oh yeah. It was wonderful. I don't have the exact come up numbers but my current standing is 333k credits and 380k vault.

[rugged saffron]

I'm not jealous or anything

[scenic tree]

sittin at a measley 70k and im almost lvl 69

[scarlet remnant]

Hey as long as you're not at 0, I think you're doing fine

[rugged saffron]

I'm probably over 100k vault but I'm only at 70k wallet

[scenic tree]

thats what people say to those in a ponzie scheme

[maiden carbon]

I’m not saying anyone’s opinion is wrong or invalid. If the opinion here is that getting kicked in the balls is part of the extraction charm, that’s fine. But if this game needs to outperform Tarkov long-term—not just survive, but actually thrive and fund more content like Cryo—then is it really unreasonable to make things slightly less punishing for new and casual players?

Not make it easy—just kick them less hard than Tarkov, or at least take off the steel toes at first.

Or is appealing to more casual players so offensive that we’re willing to accept the game struggling as a result? Without casual Gary and his functioning balls we don't get consistent cool updates, quick dev responses, or more dynamic experiences? I'm just asking whether this is an unfair trade.

[plucky hound]

is the pull challenge for vandal buggy?

[scarlet remnant]

The thing is that if the game started appealing to casual players more it would partly lose its current identity. Whether that's a good or bad thing depends on your perspective.

[scenic tree]

Nope maybe ur takin too long after they're launched?

[scarlet remnant]

Extraction shooters generally do not thrive thanks to casual players, rough as that may sound. ARC is the exception.

[rugged saffron]

It's already more forgiving than other extraction shooters.

The people here are down to get kicked in the balls.

Whether it's a long-term success is Sony's problem and they can figure it out. We're having fun.

[scenic tree]

I enjoy fillin out the codex if anyone is also an achievement hunter

[rugged saffron]

I LOVE the lore, so I love the codex

[scenic tree]

dude i friggin love the audio files

[scarlet remnant]

The codex is top tier. I love that kind of reward system.

[turbid plover]

I wish it wasn't so rng though

[scenic tree]

I do wish the customization was alil more complex than skins

[scarlet remnant]

It will be in Season 2 thanks to whatever the Cradle system will be. Unless you mean strictly visual customization.

[rugged saffron]

The RNG does make me want to cry sometimes.

"Find anamalous wire, it's at Station in Perimiter" and you can have Perimiter all to yourself 5 times and sometimes not find a single blue wire

[lofty sun]

@silk kayak @storm grail The bots feel overwhelming on Dire Marsh duos, they need major tuning.

[rugged saffron]

Get good

[scenic tree]

yeah dude I hit the same vault number like 4 times durin cryo. I JUST WANNA GET TO VAULT 7 BRO

[scarlet remnant]

They will actually make the subroutines not RNG

[scenic tree]

thank god like what the hell was that man

[rugged saffron]

The bots do not scale across solos, duos, and trios.

Smaller squad size means you'll have to play differently.

They already reduced UESC HP from what it was at launch.

[scarlet remnant]

I wanna read more of the prestige valuables but I've been very unlucky with those lol

[turbid plover]

I'm still missing gold codex collectibles from both dire marsh and outpost

[rugged saffron]

I still don't know what a subroutine is :(

[scarlet remnant]

And that decrease helped tremendously for solos.

[turbid plover]

I don't even know where they drop cause my luck from both locked doors and wardens have been shit

Where tf are the prestige collectibles 😫

[rugged saffron]

@turbid plover did you play extraction shooters before this?

[lofty sun]

I understand that, nothing a simple tuning can't fix. I want the game to succeed just as much as you do, so let's work together to get positive changes in the game.

[turbid plover]

Yeah, why

[scarlet remnant]

The prestige stuff? I mostly gotten mine from Wardens on Outpost, the Pinwheel prestige room on Outpost, Convoys on Outpost.....basically Outpost is your answer lol

[scenic tree]

now u know how it feels to farm Gjallarhorn

[rugged saffron]

You're casually farming shit that I'm rarely able to pull off, that's all

[turbid plover]

Oh lmao, I have a few thousand hours across a couple extraction shooters yes

[rugged saffron]

Good to know thank you ASLKDFDASJF

[turbid plover]

I have a reason to do convoy? Shit's a bullet sponge

[scenic tree]

if ur able to focus as a team on one point it goes by pretty fast

[scarlet remnant]

Got my very first prestige in the game from one. But yeah, they're awfully unfun due to the sponginess

[turbid plover]

I play solo 😭

[scenic tree]

i mean if ur lucky maybe other rooks can help you lmao

just start hootin n hollerin idk if the rooks have a cry.

[scarlet remnant]

But yeah, the Convoy is best done with a team, goes faster. On a free kit you can forget it cause you don't have the ammo. On solo you can also forget it cause you will waste your ammo and then have none lol.