new-noise

[dawn arrow]

Patch notes going live after maintinence ends or during maintinence?

[copper mortar]

Dont use DLSS if you can handle it

[turbid plover]

Towards the end at earliest

[stone gyro]

i cant play for 1 whole hour

[turbid plover]

You mean four

[dawn arrow]

Marathon servers are down life is over

[copper mortar]

Especially if you are PVP heavy, its pretty bad with the fog. If you turn it off its much clearer

[stone gyro]

it says 8-9

[dawn arrow]

But realtalk can we get some maintinence to make it so I dont get rubberbanded out of every thief grapple or destroyer thrust because ts is so annoying like LET ME USE MY MOVEMENT

[turbid plover]

I don't have an nvidia gpu at hand so I can't say if it's bad at native res

[celest flame]

when is the update live?

[turbid plover]

Actually let me change that

[copper mortar]

Yeah I have a 4090 super and I was losing most of my long range marsh encounters with it on. Turn it off and I’m seeing people clearly. No blurriness or dark edges

They need to better optimize for high end hardware but they said thats coming

[terse peak]

update also in 2 hrs

[dawn arrow]

Anybody got a link to an actually good wiki with entries for items ingame because you try to Google anything in this game and its a whole bunch of bullshit that doesn't include a lot of ingame items

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[civic charm]

Game offline. Quick someone screenshot the steam charts

[waxen rampart]

Lmao

[slender totem]

yeah i was getting some weird behaviour using ss quality with fog and some dark areas

[turbid plover]

This is better

[obtuse star]

i thought they said patch is tomorrow, no way we get a day early

[lean crescent]

Different patch, But maybe

[turbid plover]

It might be tomorrow 🤷‍♂️
It could just be maintenance for tomorrow's patch, or maybe we're getting a different patch later

But the way it's worded, we're getting a patch with maintenance

[obtuse star]

well now im hyped af

[copper mortar]

I have 22 self revives and I dont wanna sell so if the vault increase is in 3 hours Ill be so happy

I wont have to sell my meds which is really shitty atm considering when I use them, I USE them

[obtuse star]

i feel that so hard

[quiet depot]

Oh I bought the same weapon dingler with my LUX 5 times :v :v :v Oh bungie oh woe

[turbid plover]

https://tauceti.gg/db try here
Also keep in mind that all of this is manually compiled so there's always going to be some missing stuff

[turbid plover]

bro really wants the same fidget on all the guns

[crude flint]

Patch notes?

[gritty hollow]

Sorry guys, do you know when the maintenance starts?

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[slender totem]

not up yet

[granite sun]

can't queue up anymore, so it's started

[crude flint]

Five hours down time seems a bit much huh

[slender totem]

welcome to bungie

[turbid plover]

Servers will be up an hour before maintenance ends, so you can play but it might be unstable

[gritty hollow]

thx bro

[olive nova]

The servers are shutting down, runners brace yourselves for a massive onslaught of ludologists on X and beyond 🫡

[fickle copper]

4 to 5 hrs maintenance is quite normal

And not just for bungie

[cosmic oriole]

Also, i appreciate that it s during the lowest peak time

[slender totem]

was just about to play 😭

[dense tide]

Is the maintenance for 3 hours?

[whole egret]

me thinks there is going to be a nerf

[charred thicket]

Same twin

[gritty hollow]

So it’s started now, right? I’m in Asia haha

[charred thicket]

Haha yes please on all shotguns

[whole egret]

nah

[charred thicket]

Yes

[slender totem]

surely

[whole egret]

just one certain double barrel.

[granite sun]

misriah is in a good spot, wstr is a bit much

[whole egret]

the rest of the shotguns are fine. i don't see the energy one or the Misriah at all

[slender totem]

wstr def needs a nerf

[lament chasm]

price is prob the reason

[whole egret]

Wstr is just way too good. and needs to be toned down

[weak rose]

i really dont know how you tone it down without making it useless

[tardy summit]

Id say jsut make it more rare / expensive

[whole egret]

that and outside of a few rare times their drop rates are basically not there

[copper mortar]

Agreed. It should not one shot blue plus shields at like 10 feet away. Been killed my rook 138 times on outpost because they will sit in the vents

[dense tide]

My only day off this week, just sat down to play and there is 4 hour server maintenance 😭😭😭

[whole egret]

could be worst could've been a 12 hour one

[slender totem]

agreed. shotguns are always the hardest weapons to tune in shooters

[dense tide]

Agreed

[copper mortar]

You should have to tag someone a little bit and it should be delete

[dense tide]

That’s true that’s true oh well gonna play some vintage story in the mean time ig lmao

[rotund obsidian]

hey cinder!

[copper mortar]

I think it should dude less damage against a full shields but should wreck raw hp

[whole egret]

that i agree with, but also due to one skinning spider faction they are becoming way more wide spread then normal.

[verbal tulip]

where patchnotes?

[whole egret]

HOLY SHITE IS THAT VEN, WHAT'S GOOD MY FRIEND!

[tardy summit]

Also longer reload would be better than nerfing damage. Does it one tap blue shield or two tap? I dont remmeber

[slender totem]

not live yet

[tardy summit]

loool fr i got so many shotguns from arachne rewards

[weak rose]

the problem with that is it will just benefit the ultra sweats who have infinite money, and those below that will just be hamstrung with an unfair cost

[whole egret]

Kinda hard to balance a weapon that only loads two shells at a single time. longer reload doesn't make much sense

[rotund obsidian]

lol, nothing much. Trying to play marathon and lacking the skills to do anything in the game

[whole egret]

Ven, friendo, buddy pal. we all lack skill

[dense tide]

Is there a max season level or can you just go indefinitely

[whole egret]

season level 100. and i think rank....i want to say 40 for the factions could we wrong

[cinder oar]

forever i think, ive seen 120

[copper mortar]

Or it should use double ammo

That would be good considering you are giving up backpack space for mida rounds

[dense tide]

So it’s indefinite then, makes sense

[rotund obsidian]

Cinder, the past 6 games i have played i died in the first 10 or less minutes. both solo and trio

[hardy halo]

i cant tell bc servers when down but im psure my Arachne is above this

[obtuse star]

my friend is level 136, it goes way beyond

[dense tide]

Been having the same problem, players are on crack now been getting absolutely slaughtered

[whole egret]

now that would be costly also would cause people will hoard ammo like raccoons hoard food.

[obtuse star]

i think max REWARD level is 100 for golden backpack but levels itself they might just be infinite

[cinder oar]

you get vip after 30 and then it just continues with vip ranks

[dense tide]

Does the xp requirement rise with each level or is it always the same

[slender totem]

mental

[whole egret]

it's a learning curve much harder. you have to listen and be ready to either fight or run. you can't just face tank everything like in destiny

[hardy halo]

ye i assumed he meant like. lvl 30>vip 10 for lvl 40

[rotund obsidian]

all i want are resources : (

[dawn arrow]

RAAAAAHHHHHH GIVE ME PATCH NOTES BUNGIE

[cinder oar]

its just maintenance no?

[dense tide]

Me too just been trying to find the circuits and storage drives for sekiguchi 2/5 but been getting domed

[uneven summit]

Jesus

[obtuse star]

i have runs where i get killed within 1 minute of being spawned in 🤣 it happens to everyone

[slender totem]

thats what i thought

[dawn arrow]

I'm pretty sure its also an update

[whole egret]

it's not going to be easy, normally i play on rook and if hear shooting i go the other way and just go the places that players have just either not looted fully or have forgotten about and then i run to the extract point and hide.

[obtuse star]

well it says theres gonna be patch notes 👀

[dense tide]

Duos tomorrow too 😀

[hardy halo]

me when all i want for christmas is a reload and spread nerf to sawed off, and snipers lethal uptime nerf

[turbid plover]

Wednesday, not tomorrow

[whole egret]

oh that's going be fun and might crash the servers because of the issues it might have.

[dense tide]

That’s tomorrow

[obtuse star]

tomorrow is wednesday for EU lads

[hardy halo]

this is tuff

[whole egret]

Reminder that the Duos are A TEST not going to be added YET!

[turbid plover]

Oh my god I thought it's monday I'm stupid 😭

[dense tide]

Go outside touch some grass 😭

[tardy summit]

Yo what yall think about this many rooks being in the game at once? 🤣🤣 Imagine running into this as a gooped trio https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YNmYa5SydFY

[whole egret]

I wish it was the 16th still don't want to be dealing with this stupid day.

[turbid plover]

I literally went to work yesterday too I'm actually just dented 💀

[rotund obsidian]

never thought it was going to be easy, hell i never thought it will in the middle. I feel like we figured out where all the trials players went

[whole egret]

anyways, yeah the shotguns are an issue

[hardy halo]

HOT TAKE i think pump is fine and circuit breaker is fine. sawed off just has way too much uptime for arguably the most lethality

[whole egret]

oh no that's outpost and soon to be cryo, dire marsh is still pretty sweaty but the starter map is...well easy. and usually you run into free kit larries alot.

[obtuse star]

just wait till you meet someone with a melee build and they 1 shot you with a purple shield 👀

[tawny pebble]

theyre adding duos so suck my balls + when ranked comes out i guarantee ill be several ranks above you.

[dense tide]

Bruh I just died like 9 times in a row on perimeter

[terse peak]

imho wstr just has too much range and uptime, could be easily tweaked

[obtuse star]

getting high rank is about exfilling the most value per game, not about getting kills

[tardy summit]

The range is only 4-5 meters tho

[rotund obsidian]

you say that as i get killed by a person atleast geared up with all greens or higher

[tawny pebble]

I know but im greedy and my loot speed is maxxed out

[turbid plover]

ok bro 👍

[rigid minnow]

He cannot comprehend basic text pointless to answer him

[whole egret]

it tends to flux between maps for some reason with players. sometimes the more sweatlords just go onto the other maps because they don't want to lose their purples and deal with players on the same level as they are.

[spiral pike]

Damn, how satisfying it when you succesfully do a tough ass solo "in one run" contract with a destroyer in outpost or dire marsh, kill assasins and extract. Pure magic

[tawny pebble]

I just did and responded ?

[whole egret]

but Outpost and Dire marsh are prob the sweatest out of the maps.

[obtuse star]

when you complete a "in one run" quest on dire marsh

[whole egret]

there is also just having a poor day.

i have gone into runs where i lost every time and then the next day i got nothing but kills

[tawny pebble]

@rigid minnow dont be mad at me they are making the great change to add duos. I love marathon devs they are geniuses unlike the chuds like you who malt at the idea of something being different from other extraction shooters

[hardy halo]

like there is no "punishment for bad decisions" with sawed off, its just dump 2 shells, go around corner, and u literally can shoot another at the speed of sound when u basically reload at the speed (this is a exaggeration i think) at the same rate a circuit breaker charges. the spread is actually tighter for some reason the nthe pump. the range is actually fine imo, its just the spread being that tight is the issue, u have the pump doing like 4 less conceptual dmg a shell but the spread is like a whole degree tighter.

[whole egret]

with the charge shotty you fuck up the big shot you basically burnt thro half of your mag with the other.....i'm not sure. but yeah the WTSR is too easy and way too powerful

[dawn arrow]

Imo WTSR should have it's damage adjusted such that landing all pellets of both shots plus a quick melee kills a blueshield from full

[hardy halo]

charge up shotty is fine for a few different reasons. A charge up for high lethality, like u said big mag reserve cost for high lethality, tapping isnt that strong but decent at cleaning up.

[rigid minnow]

It's really either you are in 1st grade and you can't hold a conversation longer than 3 messages or you are messaging the wrong guy, i dont even know what are you accusing me of

[terse peak]

I honestly have met players with all kinds of kit on all the maps, if I can avoid people that seem significantly more kitted than me, I'll do that(unless I catch them pants down) otherwise I'll keep to myself, very often I get chased by psychos with knives that I face melt pretty quickly and then more come because they hear the gunshots

[whole egret]

there will be people say Why did you nerf it, you are the fun police for the double barrel

[spiral pike]

Maybe if they add a reasonable cooldown (in seconds) after firing a certain number of shots using the WTSR, perhaps it can balance it out a bit. Like a "Overheated" weapon or smthn.

[whole egret]

most of them are aligned with the faction that keeps going on about skinning other...runners....

[hardy halo]

i thought we were agreeeing

[copper mortar]

Blue plus protects you from free kit ambushes. Purple allows you to swallow a sniper headshot. If you use the lmgs with the gunshields and then add destroyer into the mix, you are literally unkillable from the front with most guns in the game

[grizzled slate]

Why servers down tho

[tawny pebble]

You said i was bad at the game and that most extraction shooters dont have duos, maybe we can run duos and you can carry me? Whats ur bungie id

[whole egret]

we are. i'm just poking fun at the fact that people will complain about stuff no matter what

[turbid plover]

It's the guy from yesterday that dropped "the game is gonna die if they don't add duos" and vanished lmao

[grizzled slate]

let me innnnn

[whole egret]

oh wow.

[hollow verge]

Aren't duos like, the most common thing in modern extraction games? What's 'different' about adding duos lol

[whole egret]

such a insightful convo right there i totally didn't lose braincells just reading that yesterday.

[hollow verge]

im glad duos are coming, i hope we can still duo queue into trios with no fill though me and my buddy have so much fun with that. 2v3 is really nowhere near as hard as people say if you're big on shooters

[whole egret]

a patch for the game.

[turbid plover]

Stirred the pot and fled the crime scene. They say criminals always go back to the crime scene for a reason I guess

[frosty topaz]

faith from mirrors edge would work for mida so we should too 🔥🔥

[grizzled slate]

Yaaaaaaaay

[hardy halo]

i think dmg should be capable of doing JUST enough to kill blue with 1 shell (this will almost certianly never happen consistently unless you are trying to reenact gey man kissing meme) with reasonable spread nerf, and the reload needs a notable nerf. there should be a downtime where u can be "punished" if u miss ur high lethalty spam shot shotgun. then it wont be as bad of an issue. the issue is dump 1>down>unpeak>repeak as next approaches and down because you have the sleight of hand of jason borne.

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[rigid minnow]

And then i told him if they didnt put it in the first place its cause the single and trio lobbys would die , in fact they are not adding duos but TESTING them , confirming our thoughts. That being said i'm so happy for people with only 1 mate being able to play so what the fuck is he on about xD

[terse peak]

my past few runs I stopped giving a crap about how much noise I was making when engaging UESC and ended up getting like 3 levels in the span of a couple hours, 20+ UESC kills a run, not much loot aside from hitting some of the weapons lockers and tool carts, but hella efficient for levelling, tops 2 player kills

[whole egret]

This is a test run. not the full thing it's going to last exactly two weeks.

[hardy halo]

KING

[whole egret]

the best player advice right here! listen to this one.

[turbid plover]

Nah I hope they don't add duos just to spite him specifically

[hardy halo]

wait.. team was i baited?

[hollow verge]

I am aware, saw the notes on that. Just hopeful they don't force duos into duos queue purely in the long run

[dawn arrow]

I cant tell if this is bait or not

[whole egret]

my brain had an error on that....isn't the whole point of a duo lobby for a duo queue?

[whole egret]

might be a bit stupid.

[turbid plover]

WSTR already deals just under 180 damage, which is blue shields + health

[tawny pebble]

i had work! im sorry guys i didnt know i created such a mess, maybe i was just a bit overdramatic bc my duo and i kept losing to trios the other day

[hollow verge]

I'm saying that while I understand some players feeling like playing duos in trios is too difficult for them, playing with my pal we love queuing as a 2 man into trios lobbies. It's quite high octane, every fight won is a huge reward :D so hopefully we get to choose

[dawn arrow]

That's a full purple if you hit every pellet

[terse peak]

think their point was to not dilute the queue pool

[hardy halo]

isnt health 100?

[whole egret]

haha....wait until you get the sniper which can one shot body shot anything under green shields

[dawn arrow]

Each shield bar is 20 health

[turbid plover]

Health is 120, shields are 20 for each tier

[copper mortar]

Wonder if they will add yellow shields

[whole egret]

oooh

[tawny pebble]

dude i want to duo with YOU can you add me? i need a carry

[naive monolith]

There is

[hardy halo]

when i play thief the drone tells me i have 100 health 😭 i got gaslit

[hollow verge]

yeah the outland is literally the Counter Strike AWP it's fucking nuts

[terse peak]

it's already in game, I saw a video from aztecross where one dude got mugged at exfil and he had yellow shield

[hollow verge]

It's already in, Spectre Shields, and they make you invisible when your shield breaks lol

[hardy halo]

and i mean MY health nto the drone.

[frosty topaz]

real men use the v11

[copper mortar]

Thats crazy. I’m level 100 and have not touched one yellow item.

[turbid plover]

Gold shields don't have more health than purple but the one I saw had a unique effect that turns you invisible briefly when you get shot

[hardy halo]

respectfully this is user error

[copper mortar]

Wtf is it a faction reward?

[whole egret]

maybe? the issue is the ''exotics'' of marathon are...eh...so to speak kinda just meh. some of them are just destiny exotics or perks in marathon. or straight up halo weapons. would could an exotic shield do?

[summer cloud]

might be a skil issue

[high arch]

im not even 30 and have x3 xD

[terse peak]

I think gold rooms can drop them 🤔

[hollow verge]

TBF it's literally RNG

[north breach]

Controller players need a cursor speed setting its not fair that M&K players can steal all the good loot before you can loot one thing because its so dam slow

[frosty topaz]

imagine neediny invisibility when you can jet pack charge in like a real man

[hardy halo]

it literally isnt, u get 4 golds from factiosn

[whole egret]

like that's not a joke what can a exotic shield do exactly give you more shields for every kill?

[hollow verge]

You can increase odds by opening loot rooms but that is also 100% RNG dependant

[turbid plover]

I mean if you die from white shields it'll say you took 140 damage, 160 for green and 180 for blues etc, so it's the only logical conclusion

[copper mortar]

I have like 20 purple keys but I’m waiting for the vault space to hit them up

[lost patio]

site doesnt load

[deft notch]

Update your drivers

[high arch]

im srry u need better friends, my squad we discuss loot before grabbing

[north breach]

Its a virus

[frosty topaz]

v11 separates the MEN from the boys

[tired vortex]

Lowkey smart

[rigid minnow]

Sorry but if you and your duo keep dying in 2 v 3 not much i can do

[turbid plover]

Did you read the part that says patch notes link will work when they're published

[north breach]

I mainly play with randoms thats the problem

[hardy halo]

thats fair, yeah then under blue then. i was thinking ab 160 so ig in this case its green.

[whole egret]

facepalms sometimes people don't read

[lost patio]

i didnt

[terse peak]

no this was wrong, thief doesn't see in loot room

[turbid plover]

I see 👍

[copper mortar]

I think controller looting needs work. It should be like apex. But also the aim assist is hacks in this game

[hardy halo]

wait but ive def 1tapped blue shield with a shell. doesnt double barrel only have 178 theoretical dmg?

[turbid plover]

Doesn't work on locked rooms. Everything shows white until unlocked

[terse peak]

yeah, had a flashback and insta corrected :))

[hollow verge]

Looting on a controller seems... unenviable. Idk how you'd solve it but there certainly should be some changes to it

[north breach]

I get zero aim assist playing controller on pc sooo

[tawny pebble]

i think its because he was assassin and i was triage and we need YOU to play destroyer and save us… you are what we need phy

[turbid plover]

It does have a very very low headshot multiplier so if a few pellets hit the head I think it can kill

[copper mortar]

Isnt that because the loot gets better as the game goes on? Or is it to prevent people from not using their keys

[whole egret]

i will be honest speaking as someone on controller, might just be me but, i don't notice the INSANE HACKING LIKE AIM ASSIST. but that could be just me used to the controller

[hardy halo]

firepower is based off headshot dmg tho?

[turbid plover]

I think for shotguns specifically it's total pellet count damage

[rigid minnow]

Wich was one of the 2 hypothesis i made about you, asking duos cause you and your mate were struggling 2 v 3 , then you got offended , denied, told me you will get higher rank than me and now you just claimed being not able to play 2 v 3 on your own. Just pick one

[copper mortar]

You dont get it on PC its only on console like marvel rivalss

[whole egret]

i do play on consoles but eh

[hollow verge]

There's aim assist on all inputs iirc, just a small amount (adjusted by your weapon mods)

[hardy halo]

mmmmmmmmmm this would both make sense and no sense at the same time LOOL

[turbid plover]

Loot does NOT get better as game goes on. Loose loot and container loot is generated when you load in the game

[viral coyote]

yo are the servers still down?? what time is that maintenance till??

[north breach]

Bro they need it cuzthey have less frames so less time to react to things

[hollow verge]

You can get mods thhat straight up increase the aim assist cone, that wouldn't be a thing if it was controller on console only

[copper mortar]

Yes you can build your aim assist stat which is nuts😭

[high arch]

funny, I've actually have thrown fights before bc of the aim assist ( ps5 player ) it wanted to redirect the crosshair on a downed enemy and not his live teammate and as a result I got dropped

[tawny pebble]

okok i pick the path that leads me down the way where we can rank up together. Me you and my teammate have a rivalry for #1 ranked marathon runner and then they make a movie about us and we all cash out BIG

[hollow verge]

though by doing so you're losing out on probably much better stats, given ttk is so low on avg that aim assist is kind of a moot point

[rigid minnow]

Seems like i also nailed the other guess. 1st or 2nd grade at best

[turbid plover]

I mean for sure firepower on single projectile weapons is indeed headshot damage. However shotguns have same base damage and firepower, but still a precision multiplier of 1.1 so that's why I'm guessing it's all pellets damage

[whole egret]

now that i have run into

[copper mortar]

The smart lock volt weapons are the most insane thing fully kitted. Especially if you are triage, you literally get thanos snapped

[north breach]

I need a cursor need for controller stat tho

[whole egret]

i love the pistol for it.

[north breach]

Its so dumb they didnt launch with it

[terse peak]

it's literally to prevent thief from scanning the room and then resetting to get another loot pool for the room, which could be OP in many situations for peak loot hunting

[timid cobalt]

WHERE THE PATCH NOTES

[frosty topaz]

v11 best gub

[whole egret]

it's so fucking good.

[hollow verge]

when the patch goes live the notes drop

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[copper mortar]

The punch currently 5 taps purp armor with the triage battery amp mod

[tawny pebble]

no 1st or 2nd grader could think of such a beautiful plot to a blockbuster film… i cant make a joke about being in 3rd grade bc discord will ban me but just imagine i did and we are all laughing and youre adding me on bungie so we can play together

[whole egret]

another reason why i play on triage, because of that

when they add more volt weapons or i get more i will be ready i also hear that the volt scout is pretty good too.

[copper mortar]

Yes hes my favorite except for destroyer and assassin (solos)

[keen ivy]

hopefully the audio change is reverted in this patch

fingers crossed for a little improvement with performance but I doubt it

[whole egret]

i think it is?

[turbid plover]

It's not gonna be a full revert

[hollow verge]

Sound designer already had said last week that they were gonna roll it back in a twitter reply, or at least heavily implied it

[terse peak]

patch notes in a few mins anyway

[copper mortar]

Also volt ammo ecomony so good. 12 mags lasts you the entire game for two weapons because of the recharge

[turbid plover]

They will tone it down not fully revert sound changes

[hollow verge]

yeah i exepct somewhere in between where it is now and launchh

[hardy halo]

yeah i wish i had the game open so i could look, but yeah if its nto including firepower w headshot, i def think max dmg with headshot should be like just below or at blue shield. so prob ab like 160 firepower without ig?

[whole egret]

i'm tempted to run a full volt loadout and see how that goes.

[night tulip]

should'nt your link be https://www.bungie.net/7/fr/News/Article/marathon_update_1_0_5 ? and not https://www.bungie.net/7/fr/News/Article/marathon_update_1_0_0_5

I know it is not available yet

[hollow verge]

super reliable. volt thrower and punch as a duo is hard to argue with

[turbid plover]

Oh you are right could be

[copper mortar]

Its good. Get the scar with the punch. Or use the precision rifle for the mobs and the volt smg for players

[tawny pebble]

i hope bungie does something about 3rd party software like zims since sooner or later it will take over the game on console just like it did with apex

[whole egret]

you know they could add a runner shell that focuses on different things, like for in- actually no a toxic throwing shell would make the game hells

[copper mortar]

I hope the light ammo gets buffed because good god its so bad compared to everything else

[frosty topaz]

or you can just use the v11 only like a real man

[hardy halo]

but yeah thief drone completely scuffed me. i was under the assumption it was 100 > 25 > 25 > 25 bc when i had purple shield and in drone it told me i had 100 shield and 100 health. my guess is at some point they tweaked this and didnt reference the drone ui to update it.

[terse peak]

v66+v11 is my go-to kit, 12 batteries last me a ton if I timeclick and not spam click

[copper mortar]

The br basically heals people

[granite sun]

bet there's gonna be one down the line

[north breach]

I love all the volt weapons

[north ravine]

wtff ALL DAY for a simple update ??? thats wild

[weak rose]

put on the backpack that recharges batteries...only takes like 30 seconds to fully recharge

[frosty topaz]

v11 or bully are my guns, v11 is better for most purposes though, esp bc volt batteries are so common from uesc

[hollow verge]

cmon now this is insane to say, volley rifle is absurdly strtong

[copper mortar]

Yes not to mention the reload backpack

[dawn arrow]

Br is insanely good at the right range especially when you hit a full burst of headshots

[copper mortar]

If the target stands still and throws grenades at themselves

[whole egret]

right now yeah, most light ammo weapons are basically bad or just the godly and ult pulse rifle (i don't care if it's classed as a precision rifle, it's not)

[frosty topaz]

isnt the br the meta mid range gun rn?

[hardy halo]

self report is insane here

[granite sun]

volt guns also taught me not to reload maniacally every two shots

[hollow verge]

idk what matches you're playing but thhis does not reflect the common trends lol

[frosty topaz]

i thought all streamers etc were using the br atm

[copper mortar]

We can all agreed the overflow ar is the worst gun in the game

[turbid plover]

I personally prefer stryder over br 🤷‍♂️

[whole egret]

kinda right now it's either the volly, and WSTR or the bully or sniper and the shotgun and you know a mix of other weapons

[dawn arrow]

Im a knife main because freekit guns suck and half the time I cant even be bothered to put one on before going out for some stupid specific material I need

[hollow verge]

Maybe, or the first LMG. But both can be good with proper builds.

[frosty topaz]

overrun is great i will not tolerate overrun slander

[whole egret]

the MIDA is also good yeah just eh i prefer the twin tap

[floral wedge]

M77 feels really good to use after you get some blue+ attachments on it

[turbid plover]

MIDA Multi-Tool 🗣️

[copper mortar]

The best light weapon is M (dont know the number) ar

[frosty topaz]

ngl the ars in general are pretty weak rn

[graceful oracle]

i still don't get why bungie and marathon twitter account won't post with eu times added. thanks for this.

[limpid isle]

Guys how do u unlock misriah?

[hollow verge]

the m77 has a really weird ROF that makes it unreliable even though it does good damage

[copper mortar]

That thing is the like the R301

[frosty topaz]

m77 sucks, best light is the br33 or like retaliator

[whole egret]

the LMGs are a very mixed bag

[graceful oracle]

also, 4 hours until maintenance? why?

[hollow verge]

I like the M77 on paper its just no volley rifle

[turbid plover]

Majority of their playerbase is NA is probably why

[hardy halo]

i think ar's are fine. i think they are just overshadowed due to sniper.

[frosty topaz]

if im running an ar im using overrun ngl

[limpid isle]

M77 no sights? What an ugly weapon to use

[whole egret]

also thermal but that is less of an issue now

[copper mortar]

No way. I I just killed some purp guy in outpost with the conquest and he landed 12 shots on me first

[hollow verge]

I also like the overrun, with the proper mods it can be a little bullet hose

[hardy halo]

ye

[north ravine]

ikr ... it shouildnt take this long to rolll out and update

[whole egret]

still needs a buff.

[frosty topaz]

theyre weak, the smgs are better, then for the mid range you have precision rifles which is also better

[hollow verge]

M77 has a built in flip up sight

[copper mortar]

The br is so inconsistent.

[hardy halo]

this is ragebait right?

[turbid plover]

alr ima post this once more and go make lunch

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[hardy halo]

seeing thsi, and pressing it into the void drives me into a wall

[copper mortar]

Worst heavy weapon is the double tap( without mags). With mags OP

[north breach]

Buff recon

[north ravine]

4 HOURS IS TO LONG 💢

[graceful oracle]

still, they have plenty of players in EU, Asia and Australia.

[hollow verge]

maintenance isn't just pushing an update for the game for us all to download, its also backend server work you cant have folks on live for. if you play mmos you know this is short maint times lol

[craggy drift]

Downed an entire team with it yesterday. Only one single green recoil upgrade on it as well. Gun slaps, just gotta aim.

[turbid plover]

ping my ass if patch notes drop and link is dead

[loud creek]

patchnotes aint workin

[hollow verge]

because they are not published yet.

[hardy halo]

[turbid plover]

no shit

[keen ivy]

Did server performance felt going worse for you too guys ? Since release it's been degrading

[frosty topaz]

overrun is like, second fastest firing gun in the whole game its rly nice

[keen ivy]

getting more and more packet loss over time

[primal knoll]

i hope they address some of that on this patch

[hollow verge]

Nope, only connection weirdness I saw ended up being something resolved on my end with a router reboot.

[frosty topaz]

overrun is the m4 of the game

[copper mortar]

Yes but without mags it does not one mag green shields which is bad

[loud creek]

dawg yall actin like I didnt just get outta my job tryna play sumn dont they usually already come out with it when theyre in maintenance lmao

[primal knoll]

they have to fix parameter

[brave sinew]

Alright. So I've been playing Kovaak's. A lot of the activities on there I get like 5-10%, meaning that 90-95% of people are better at aiming then me. What do you do when 95% of the population are better than you at aiming? Knife only runs?

[frosty topaz]

idk they buffed it to 25 rounds default now

[stable bloom]

is marathon down rn?

[north ravine]

whats first? biiully with rodeo mag?

[mint rose]

just bought the game and its DOWN??

[hollow verge]

Sure, if you run a grey weapon against green kits it's pretty arse. but you should always be using extended mags on overrun

[limpid isle]

I one mag hipfire blue shields with overrun, great gun

[craggy drift]

I had stock mags on it and downed 3 green shields back to back. Hit headshots. Aim guy

[stable bloom]

FAHHHHHHH

[frosty topaz]

practice

[hollow verge]

server maint

[mint rose]

thanks bungie such a good company luv u

[copper mortar]

Def the worst weapon with headshots still compared to anything else

[stable bloom]

how long?

[north ravine]

too long

[craggy drift]

Okay buddyrunner.

[hollow verge]

till noon est, about 3 hours

[primal knoll]

could be hours

[mint rose]

"gooped" 😬

[stable bloom]

oh ok that's not TOO bad ig

[copper mortar]

Also the knife with the implants is insane. The toxic knife kills commanders

[plain fiber]

Guys I'm relapsing I wanna play RIGHT NOW

[frosty topaz]

the v22 doesnt even have a headshot multiplier

[north ravine]

Kinda lame a billion $$ company takes this long to update

[hollow verge]

yall havent played very many mmos if you think a couple hours downtime early morning on a tuesday is a big deal lol. you'll get maint updates for some big games that last like 7 hours downtime

[craggy drift]

Kinda lame you're a wack hater.

[copper mortar]

And it still does big boy damage without it

[frosty topaz]

nah man v22 sux

[young solar]

you would have seen the maintenance times on the steam page so idk why you blame bungie xD

[primal knoll]

learn how maintenance work and you will find ouit why

[normal acorn]

You don't wanna know how Square Enix treats maints in FFXIV

[hollow verge]

its not just sending you a patch, there is more work to maintenance then a simple version update

[copper mortar]

Also think of the ammo economy with light rounds

[mint rose]

idk i just like not taking responsibility when things dont go my way, love your pfp btw

[frosty topaz]

thats the only bad part of the overrun, but again ars are pretty weak rn

[toxic lava]

sup

[craggy drift]

Do you hear yourself? Look in the mirror and honk your nose.

[primal knoll]

maintenance are good

[hardy halo]

honk honk

[craggy drift]

Hawwnnkk

[north ravine]

LOL my message got deleted for calling someone a clown .. man this discord is SOFT

[copper mortar]

The only guns I can say I’m bad with in this game and wouldnt trust my opinion on are any of the charged weapons like the railgun and trigyn

[frosty topaz]

anything an ar can do the smgs, lmgs or precisions can do way vetter

[craggy drift]

Nah, you're just toxic

[hollow verge]

it was probably the thinly veiled homophobia, not you calling someone a clown

[copper mortar]

They are so hard to use and I feel I dont trust them

[hollow verge]

railgun i think is just categorically ass, it is so unreliable. maybe theres a pro out there whos great with it but that aint me

[olive sapphire]

server dead?

[mellow prism]

it's good pve i think

[frosty topaz]

just use the v11 with the pocket railgun mode to get used to it

[north ravine]

AKA , youve got thin skin

[copper mortar]

Ok I feel thats true because it doesnt one shot down on headshot which is like ???

[mellow prism]

because you can do a burst of damage and duck behind cover, but the problem is that gearing around PvE in this game is troll

like you'd just rather bring a sniper which does similar

[hollow verge]

'you got mad i made a joke about the gays? lol thin skin' like cmon man grow up

[frosty topaz]

the best most adaptable and cheapest weapon is v11

[whole egret]

ok you are going no snart from me, just fuck off with that comment

[copper mortar]

I always take the magnum precision mods for pve. Its headshot multiplier is the highest in the game except for snipers

[primal knoll]

v11 is good pve

[hollow verge]

v11 or the volt thrower are both my go-to's for PvE, super super reliable

[kind steeple]

Ong 🤣🤣

[craggy drift]

I have a psychiatrist I'd like to recommend you, so they can diagnose your obvious mental illness.

[mellow prism]

yeah magnum and v11 are nuts PvE

[frosty topaz]

v11 is really potent in pvp too

[obtuse star]

i love the v75 scar

[north ravine]

Im not the one who gets easilly offended on the internet

[copper mortar]

Also the magnum heals you with the yellow attachment for headshots

[hollow verge]

its OK just let him dig his own grave and when he posts some crazy shit just boot react him. wont be the first attention seeker banned from here

[keen ivy]

very decent in PVP too, I didn't believe it until I saw shroud doing rook runs with it

[primal knoll]

i feel v11 not hit as hard on pvp

[frosty topaz]

its like a drang

[mellow prism]

lowkey the v66 lookout is kinda good too.........................

[reef depot]

5 seconds no Marathon 👹

[whole egret]

it's fun but auto rifles like that feel slow. for some reason

[calm mulch]

Magnum and bully for outpost is imo second only to bully and wstr. Ammo economy alone in magnum is nuts.

[frosty topaz]

its a 4-6 shot down....

[sonic token]

/contract f27fcaad-47f8-4265-84f9-7a035fe17d1f

[copper mortar]

Also triage makes every volt weapon insane. The most dangerous character in the game atm

[mellow prism]

damn i really just wanted to logon to check the free items in my armory ugh

[keen ivy]

there are lower tier mods that also heal you with precision damage

[craggy drift]

I'm honestly laughing at him man. I'm good.

[olive sapphire]

when's the server gonna be back up?

[primal knoll]

maybe my ping aint good

[mellow prism]

and he can actually make use of the EMP chip mods too

[whole egret]

never think a medic is weak because they heal people, fun fact battle medics tend to also be GOOD AT FUCKING COMBAT

[hollow verge]

about 12PM east, apparently. so 3 hrs give or take

[kind steeple]

Never marathon is gone forever

[crisp compass]

the announcement says 9am its supposed to be done

[primal knoll]

im sure will be back by 11 on EST

[whole egret]

amazing, honestly people think the healer class is weak because they can only heal. no, that's not true. they can also harm

[mellow prism]

damn did we end of service faster than concord shieeeeeet

[hollow verge]

Oh good, I was just going off the post that dude was making in here but he must have been LYIN

[tiny lantern]

i don't think anybody thinks this

[keen ivy]

plot twist, the haters were right

[whole egret]

it happens sometimes.

some people are just a bit stupid.

[warm shoal]

Skin 7 billion discord users

[crisp compass]

why are people on youtube shitting on the game so much?

[primal knoll]

hopefully new store skins

[warm shoal]

[keen ivy]

hate train for views

[tiny lantern]

negativity gets clicks

[twin folio]

They didn't play it

[hollow verge]

wait no you gaslit me, its 12pm EST. it's 9am Pacific time

[obtuse star]

because theyre 30yo basement dwellers with no own opinion

[crisp compass]

shit my b

[whole egret]

because youtube is filled with toxicity, also because people are rightfully jaded by bungie after everything they tried to pull with destiny so there is going to be hate.

[hollow verge]

money

[mellow prism]

actually a lot of the usual suspects that "hate" on games have all admitted in their videos that the game plays well i don't think they're actually giga hating on it

[earnest flower]

Knife nerf incoming?

[fresh stone]

Anyone know what time maintenance ends CDT?

[high arch]

bc sensationism is a thing and taking over gaming, I hate that its arc bs mara
two completely different games imo

[crisp compass]

ok because the hate on it really scared me. ive been ADDICITED since i turned it on

[keen ivy]

did you mean... a Knerf ?

[primal knoll]

knife does not need nerf

[hearty venture]

Is there a list of what actions give xp for what faction? I notice a lot of times shooting bots or interacting with certain events gives XP for them

[hollow verge]

maybe a little tune, i dont expect some colossal nerf

[obtuse star]

theres legit nothing to hate on the game for now, the devs listen super quick, the game itself feels incredible as well, rewarding, gunplay

[high arch]

arc vs mara*

[copper mortar]

I love that they made the knife a good weapon

[mellow prism]

click the faction and then click agent it'll describe what activities give rep

[whole egret]

BETTER NOT NERF MY STABBING BUILD/j

[copper mortar]

Melee builds are viable on assassin and it seems some fitting

[earnest flower]

in a shooter game?? More knifers than shooters at the min

[fading ibex]

insert lil yachty gif

[hollow verge]

thats ok with the abundance of upgrades a knife nerf will only make it less viable in the early game, you'd still be able to make stupid crazy knife builds work lol

[whole egret]

it's because he is favored by the skin walkers of Aranche.

[high arch]

clearly its not a regular shooter game tho

[copper mortar]

uh....

[whole egret]

someone hasn't played an extract shooter

[mint hollow]

If you’re downed to a knife that’s kind of a skill issue

[primal knoll]

cant wait for exotic weapons on this game

[slim depot]

How much longer is there downtime?

[mellow prism]

how are yall getting knifed so hard when the wstr exists

[whole egret]

knives are part of the fun.

[vital fable]

are the servers down?

[hollow verge]

Knives are so good that bad players think it's the energy sword, the amount of assassins who decided to charge me cloaked with a knife as if they simply could not be killed is so funny

[fading ibex]

skill issue?

[obtuse star]

let you know that knifes were in every shooter game ever, COD had knifes in 2008 already, battlefield as well and theyre basically the founders of shooter games 💀

[whole egret]

just be ready and remember you are borrowing it for a time.

[hollow verge]

WSTR is a crutch anyways, anything capable in close range can counter a knife assuming you have eyes on the enemy first

[high arch]

" shes not yours its just your turn "

[earnest flower]

🎣

[copper mortar]

Also using the drop smoke ability and ambushing someone with the knife is pure aura farm

[craggy drift]

No but my 3rd knife damage upgrade is

[cunning urchin]

Hopefully servers back up for my lunch break

[mellow prism]

for real tho every gold i've got i've only had for 1 run lmfao

[whole egret]

i did that to a poor rook one time. he cursed me out so hard.

[misty sigil]

Knives fun af. Not even max arachne for damage yet but run up invisible and stab ya homie to death right in front of ya. Did this last night, by the time they reacted homie was dead and I was out the door with 80% health still.

I understand the UK now fr fr 🔪🔪🔪🔪

[hollow verge]

i mean obviously they're not saying knife should be removed, they're saying that knife is to prominent in the meta which there is an argument for.

[rain rampart]

id Soft crying at this

[high arch]

only run golds with your designated friend squad imo

[storm schooner]

49 more minutes of maintenance?

[whole egret]

ah yes the British special KNIFE

[weak rose]

this is just not true, the knife TTK is faster than most guns if its at point blank, not to mention the movement while slashing with the knife cause it will lunge you forward can make it really difficult to hit in close range sometimes

[copper mortar]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[hearty venture]

like 3 hours more

[mellow prism]

nah i'm like almost exclusive solo and i'm super impatient i just run across the map to my objectives i can't be bothered i'm okay with donating the gear lmao

[terse peak]

true, I once camped in a box and was dragging assassins to me with the drone, mfs would cloak as if them meeting my bully face first would change anything

[hollow verge]

Notable that I said 'if you have eyes on the enemy first', as in they're not ontop of you stabbing you by the time your brain turns on. Of course the knife wins if they get the first surprise hit.

[storm schooner]

Well, I probably read that server-status update wrong then. My bad

[copper mortar]

archne is just average UK citizen pov

[high arch]

do your thing then homie

[hearty venture]

Just stab them back

[dense turret]

ay

[cunning nymph]

server error ?

[whole egret]

that is not totally inaccurate.

[hollow verge]

maintainance/patch today

[dense turret]

Let me in...

[stiff grotto]

Will the stash changes come in next patch ?

[cunning nymph]

ooh ty when is it coming back for us europeans

[misty sigil]

"Hmmm, it seems my 'homie' as they call it in the Americas has been slain with a knife directly next to me. It could have been me! This has been quite traumatic, indubitably I will need therapy."

[hollow verge]

Likely, we dont have the patch notes yet but i wouldnt be shocked

[high arch]

ayo

[mellow prism]

LOWKEY HOPE THEY NERF CONVEYANCE REQUEST

[hollow verge]

hmmmm its supposedly 9AM Pacific Time UTC-7 so do your maths as you need. That's noontime for me

[whole egret]

lol

[frosty topaz]

when you cant even say my name

[terse peak]

sometimes their brain turns off after the first stab and you can counterstab after getting 1-2 shots in

[misty sigil]

Gtg back to work yall. I work at the ball crushing factory.

[whole egret]

I think that is called STABBY STABBY thinking

[craggy drift]

Based

[mellow prism]

MY NAME IS V11 KING OF KINGS LOOK ON MY 3 TAPS YE MIGHTY AND DESPAIR

[cunning nymph]

17 i think. They defo should indicate this for EU users too

[whole egret]

praise be the V11 for it is a god amongst guns

[copper mortar]

V11 is the chad weapon

[hollow verge]

yeah the amount of knife duels ive won by simply having a superior knife build and switching mid burst is crazyyy lol, thats why i kind agree it's too prominent of a tool. I love that it's good, I don't want it nerfed into obscurity, but when it's arguably the best choice in most close range scenarios it does get a little eeeeehhh

[whole egret]

the dues ex rifle

[dense turret]

[redacted depressed message]

[whole egret]

May the reign be true forever more.

[high arch]

ngl this game is bringing back my pee bottle and dirtbagging hygiene from my wow days, if yall not up till 3am i can fwu

[kind steeple]

^

[mellow prism]

nah fam frog blast this guy's vent core

[hollow verge]

the thing about knife runs being cool and fun is that they stop being cool and fun when everyone regardless of skill level can execute on it. Not that i think you should gatekeep this shit intentionally, but its hardly a 'challenge run' in this game to go in with 0 gear, i do it all the time to farm mats when i dont wanna play rook :P

[craggy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/stab-future-gif-12598389

Knife user POV.

[twin folio]

Still have WoW and Requiem to play but all I wanna do is play Marathon...

[terse peak]

my biggest issue is that steps are sometimes weirdly muffled/silent, like I had a vandal rush me with a knife from the front, fully visible, but the steps were only hearable from like 5m away

[whole egret]

well you aren't going see any knife runs when comp comes out because of the gear thing.

[high arch]

ayo

[whole egret]

and around around we go on the cycle again.

[craggy drift]

It's based on vault value I thought, not loadout

[copper mortar]

I cant wait for the cradle so I can have 100 agility and 100 tact cooldown so I can run my batman build in ranked

[hollow verge]

Oh sure, but people farming in unranked will still be all about knives as long as it remains kind of unchallenged in the meta

[dawn arrow]

1 hour without marathon can feel myself fading away

[vivid lark]

excited at the potential of getting some Phor weapons at some point, or for that matter seeing if the Phor are even still around after all this time

[dense turret]

90% of my interest was Apex legends for the seven last years. Now my brain is all assassin, contracts and bingus

[hollow verge]

It better be loadout value and not vault value, that would be so stupidly thought out

[whole egret]

last time i checked it was based on your loadout might be wrong.

because if it's based on your vault then that's going to be a hellscape

[craggy drift]

I'm asking, I thought I read vault value, but loadout makes sense.

[split wind]

Tried the assassin shell out yesterday - what a revelation - definitely seems a good match for my play style for missions where I want to get in and out relatively safely .

[mellow prism]

lowkey i hope if there's a final vault boss for cryo it locks behind you once you enter or something i don't think i can handle such high stakes with the risk of getting 3p'd

[hollow verge]

Vault value being the ticket into ranked but you dont actually have to wager any of that loot would be easily the worst design choice they could make.

[whole egret]

i think it's loadout so we are good

[hollow verge]

fingers crossed, now im plagued with visions of a dark potential future

[whole egret]

speaking of comp do we know when that is coming?

[high arch]

so what do you guys think will be the next shell?

[granite copper]

did anyone get their kitty twitch drops yet?

[turbid plover]

Presumably same time or soon after cryo

[hollow verge]

One would assume today, it was announced to be coming same time as cryo in the launch announcement for this stuff

[vivid lark]

mjolnir recon 4

[high arch]

knife shell inc

[mellow prism]

didn't they say it's something called sentinel?

[dawn arrow]

This was how I felt going from being a triage main in server slam to trying thief and falling in love with the kit cant even describe it adequately but the kit she has just speaks to me

[vivid lark]

just actually john Marathon

[whole egret]

we don't know because the next shell isn't coming out until season 3.....maybe? or was it season 2

[hollow verge]

I hope S2

[pale star]

is marathon not online are servers downs>?

[turbid plover]

I believe we're getting a new shell every season

[south bay]

oh no 2k players, we're so dead. time to uninstall

[high arch]

yea but what would be like your prediction

[mellow prism]

they said it's season 2 and called sentinel so i'm guessing it's some kinda zone denial/intel in a zone kit

[turbid plover]

Real

[whole egret]

i think that was dire marsh being updated to night marsh, still don't think night time dire marsh will change much

[split wind]

I thought there was server maint this morning ? I have not tried to get in today yet

[mellow prism]

still more than highguard so we good

[whole egret]

i mean how much can night time change a game like marathon

[dawn arrow]

Apex also promised this and now the game goes like a calendar year without seeing a new character

[hollow verge]

there is, patch today. ending in a few hrs

[whole egret]

it's not like the darkness will be a threat....right...

[vivid lark]

it is a tuesday too so it could also be generals steam matinince

[hollow verge]

but then you look at something like Deadlock which drops like 6 characters every 6 months, so not impossible

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[high arch]

can we pls stop comparing mara to other games

[south bay]

Dire Marsh can already be a bit eerie because of their sound design, so excited for night version

[turbid plover]

It's not steam maintenance, it's Bungie

[pale star]

thanks

[hollow verge]

I would say that Apex hero balance considerations actually translate really well to Marathon, not an unfair comparison. not like comparing the game to Arc at least

[dawn arrow]

Deadlock is terrible tbh (Im also just not a moba guy)

[whole egret]

oh gods wait a tick...OH GODS ASSASSINS ARE GOING TO BE HELLS TO FIND ON THAT MAP ahhhh cries no no no

[dawn arrow]

Apex is literally the best possible comparison to make to marathon

[whole egret]

it's hard enough to see assassin during times of day

[vivid lark]

dammm and it aint comin back up till i gotta head to work 😭

[hollow verge]

Deadlock cooks but im pretty ass at it, and thats coming from someone with a few thousand hours between dota and league over the last 15~ years lolol

[dawn arrow]

I tried it, wanted to play doorman. He's terrible so dropped the game (and also just because the gameplay loop personally feels the same as when I dont clean my pipe for 2 weeks and am just smoking straight tar)

[mellow prism]

there's no way it's terrible man if a game can have that much reach and playerbase with 0 marketing the only logical conclusion is that they're doing something right it's probably just not for you

[keen ivy]

I have a very hard time believing them. New character and abilities every 3 months ? There’s just no way to balance that properly.

[hollow verge]

see you gotta play viscous and throw people in the cube, then you're smoking a straight kief bowl every match

[turbid plover]

They might do it early on, not for the entire lifetime of the game

[dense turret]

Apex was lost the second the investors decided that Esport and skin evends was more important than lore and coherence

[dawn arrow]

In that same message you replied to I mentioned Im not a moba guy

[dawn arrow]

I stopped enjoying it pretty much right after season 4

[hollow verge]

IDK, fighting games do like 3 characters every 3-4 months and they do very well for themselves, and fighting game characters have a LOT of potential for bad balance. 1 every 3 months in a hero shooter is fine

[keen ivy]

And I hope we won’t end up like rainbow six siege 😅 this thing has like 80 characters

[dawn arrow]

Didn't even play long enough to get down the cart into a door to sentry combo so I never got to experience his full potential but also am really just not interested in picking it back up

[hollow verge]

thats fair, for all its growth its still jank and early on. probably best to reassess it when it launches proper. though much like dota, i imagine deadlock will be in soft-beta for a decade lolol

[vivid lark]

new entire runner every 3 months sounds like a pretty big commitment, I forget but have they mentioned how often we can expect new maps/areas?

[dawn arrow]

Most likely, probably won't even remember my time with it by the time it properly releases given that its been in beta for some amount of years now

[abstract coyote]

new map today?

[hollow verge]

Probably, no confirmation though!

[mellow prism]

i hope they do mini updates to each map every so often to spice up all the PvP hotspots i'm not a fan of how we're getting people speedrunning conveyance spawns or camping at 2x green entrances

[lucid oar]

are the servers down?

[vivid lark]

[blissful pulsar]

it would be nice if they relaxed the full faction wipe, like, at least keep cyac, considering how kinda grindy it is to get up

[turbid plover]

Was it? I barely played any dota 2 even tho I grew up with og dota

[terse peak]

maintenance

[dawn arrow]

All this talk about new runners and Im just stuck wondering what kind of abilities could they possible introduce that will meaningfully appeal to players without powercreeping tf out of the game

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[hollow verge]

I imagine as seasons go on the maps will change alongside them. I can imagine once more enemy types get introduced that they populate out prior maps, maybe aliens vs UESC at some point on dire marsh? That kinda thing

[dense turret]

Guys, i think like the community too

[hollow verge]

A proper offensive buffer/support character would make sense. a character based around hacking as debuffs to enemy runners and UESC would also be pretty sweet and would just be an evolution of existing systems (theres a weapon mod that makes precision kills hack nearby enemies)

[calm mulch]

This make sense. They already said next season it will be nighttime on dire. Maybe they change up contracts to make new hotspots on the map.

[pine hare]

d78a2828-df9f-4de9-9550-523b7d914663

[dawn arrow]

Thief is a hack focused character but tbh you will never actually use her hack because by the time it goes off you will have already killed your target

[turbid plover]

It is funny in solos, hold your trigger until you hack and then it's 100% free kill

[hollow verge]

Does thief have a hack? She has her drone, and her xray goggles, but i never see people use the hack?

[lucid oar]

the point is that it stops bots from spotting you allowing you to relocate quietly

[mellow prism]

stare at someone with your goggles and you hack them

[turbid plover]

The goggles hack a target if you look at it for a few seconds

[dawn arrow]

Minijammer+gunshield+hack

[lucid oar]

goggles hack by staring

[daring pivot]

So far the game feels amazing, fights are fun and rewarding. I would say maybe the shotgun needs a bit of tweaking bc that seems to be the meta rn and solos are just people ratting with assassin but that comes with the territory

[dawn arrow]

Ive heard some interesting feedback from victims about this build

[hollow verge]

though in general i think that having one semi-tool for a role doesn't mean that a character is really emphasizing that role. like Destroyer has a crowd control lockdown ability with the immobilize on his rockets, but he's certainly not a crowd control character

[mellow prism]

yeahhhhhhhhhhhh i hope some balance changes are aimed at solo but i might be in the minority as a solo player

[winter yacht]

is it still possible to get the angry bunny twitch drops? the drop event didn't show up for me during the stream, so i didn't earn progress even though i watched it all

[verbal pulsar]

You need to have it unmuted (the video player, you can mute the tab itself) for it to count. You also can't have a second twitch stream open. Otherwise it doesn't count. There might be other reasons it doesn't count too

[daring pivot]

After playing every extraction shooter under the sun it was no surprise seeing how solos are played tbh. Rats will rat lol. Id rather Q with randoms even though it seems like every time my team gets into a fight they run and hide for 5 min then just leave

[turbid plover]

I had my stream muted, still got the drops 🤷‍♂️

[dawn arrow]

I always mute twitch when getting rewards and they still work

[hollow horizon]

Honestly solos being plugged with the assassin is what makes me avoid solo alltogether. No offence to the assassin mains here, but its just not fun and makes playing other shells feel punishing for no good reason.

[verbal pulsar]

Like the video player? Idk man, this is mostly shid I have heard from some twitch streamers around drops. There's easily misinformation, but its some of the shit I've done to make sure it works since twitch drops seem so particular

[winter yacht]

rats and snipers are my absolute bane in solos. especially when they taunt after being the most trembling little goblin waiting in a corner

[dawn arrow]

Thief is calling to you

[hollow verge]

Twitch did used to stop drop progress when you muted the actual video player itself yes, idk if that has changed but used to be the case. But you could just mute the tab or mute the browser in your system audio panel and that wouldn't trip it up

[dawn arrow]

Tbf in solos the lobby is pretty much 50/50 between assassins and thiefs

[turbid plover]

And they all get wiped by destroyers

[hollow verge]

when i see a destroyer in solos i feel like a shark smelling blood, those guys have no clue whats going on lol

[mellow prism]

i don't think this is true there are a lot of assassins and thieves yes but i see all the other shells (even triage) quite often too

[dawn arrow]

If they get seen lol the assassin strat is to catch you off guard and the thief strat is to hide and steal with drone

[hollow verge]

triage is quite strong in solos cause you are simply healthier than all other players

[hollow horizon]

Thiefs feel fine to play against. Assassins spamming smokes on exfils or hidding in stealth in corner waiting for my booty is just not it.

[split wind]

So - an assassin with a ton of smoke grenades - gets invisibility activated every time he is in one of his smoke fields right - no matter if you have just used that utility power ?

[mellow prism]

i've no doubt that assassins are the most popular solo but i think if bungie were to release the stats people would realize they're quite off in their estimate

[turbid plover]

A good destroyer is a nightmare man. Can't outrun, can't outgun

[hollow verge]

Yep, though that invis only lasts when you're in smoke

[daring pivot]

I feel like Assassins should only be able to Q solo. Wheneven I match up with a double assassin team I just jump off the map lowkey 😂 Im NOT gonna die and watch someone sit in a corner for 10 min just to die to the shotgun

[split wind]

wow

[dawn arrow]

You're getting very different lobbies from me, destroyer is the 3rd most common shell I see and everything else is competing for last place

[granite sun]

yeah that's their passive trait

[manic glacier]

Why doesn't Bungie use timestamps in the downtime announcements lol

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[manic glacier]

Ty ty

[hollow verge]

You just shoot them as they approach, most of the time. And they have no way of gathering intel on enemy positions so someone like Assassin can just slip away and destroyer is looking around like john travolta in pulp fiction (talking solos, not trios)

[naive apex]

there’s maintenance rn?

[mellow prism]

yeah it's probably assassin > thief > destroyer > vandal > triage = recon

[turbid plover]

Not just his smokes, it's any smoke including from teammates, enemy runners and other assassins

[split wind]

I played recon as my fav for the first week because of the explosive drone

[manic glacier]

Was gonna sneak a session in during work but maintenance got me being a better employee

[hollow verge]

the drone is damn good if you can actually get it to turn its brain on for 3 seconds

[granite sun]

wish the drone's pathing wasn't ass

[turbid plover]

Bungie looking out for you

[mellow prism]

i actually think it's a mistake to use your drone to find your target, i feel like the best use case is that you've already spotted the target and you use the drone as a grenade and then push behind it

i've been pressured quite badly by recons doing that in solo

it's like in a fighting game where you push behind a slow moving projectile

[real yoke]

Just saying duos has refreshed this game for me. Been wanting it since launch. Please dont take it away

[hollow horizon]

I d say vandal is last for solos. Outside of nuking someone on exfil she does not offer much other than going fast, which is why she is my favorite shell. But still. Every other shell has a way to scan the environment(thief/recon), is tankier(triage), is Fing annoying(assassin) or outguns tou on cooldown(destro).

[split wind]

Yeah that's what I did initially - I am starting to realize a lot of the passive utility skills for shells are very powerful though - I have not been focusing on them so much - so I had no idea recon could follow footsteps and hunt down targets using drone .... jeepers

[terse peak]

I bamboozle assassin players by throwing smoke at them, some have the heat while standing still for invis and it breaks their sprints :))

[hollow verge]

and honestly destroyer is probably better as a movement class on solos to begin with, he is so absurdly fast

[turbid plover]

lmao that's the reason I fucking hate that core so much

[unique valve]

BRING ON DUOS!!!!! THANK YOU BUNGIE

[split wind]

vandals blast ability is pretty useful

[hollow verge]

as a 50hr assassin main in solos, you are EVILLL lol

[dawn arrow]

Best shell to solorun quests with nothing but a knife

[turbid plover]

It absolutely shouldn't build heat when you're passively invisible via a smoke

[mellow prism]

i can't play dire marsh on anything other than destroyer now getting across the map for quests without turbo sprint and thrusters is suffering

[keen ivy]

I'm summoning the patch updates.

[terse peak]

I had one guy be like "WHAT THE F MAN" on prox chat after I threw the smoke in his face :)) dude rushed out of the smoke right into my line of fire

[dawn arrow]

Tac sprint until 1 frame from overheat and then thrust insane distance with minimal downtime

[granite sun]

got downed by one yesterday, dude just put his shield up, ran at me and stabbed me in the face, funny shit

[hollow verge]

people always talk about TTK in this game like it means everything, but truly exshooters are all about the mindgames and psychological warfare imo

[mellow prism]

me keeping every distance runner implant i find lmao

[terse peak]

fr

[upbeat spade]

Until you have to pull the trigger.

[unique valve]

what is the shield hp?

[carmine dagger]

how much longer

[upbeat spade]

20

[carmine dagger]

im having withdraws

[upbeat spade]

1 hour 15 if they dont extend

[turbid plover]

me when the psychological warfare is doing 3 air dashes on destroyer then putting my shield up and walking away to confuse the enemy

[granite sun]

I think most people don't realize that low TTK works in favor of the worse players, skilled players will have more time to react with higher TTK

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[carmine dagger]

why would you say that last part you have doomed us all

[unique valve]

is the new map more like outpost or perimeter?

[hollow verge]

dont make much difference when you're shooting a panicking enemy, ttk irrelevant when your enemy doesn't start shooting for a sec or two after ya :P

[blissful pulsar]

if doing the pve events solo wasnt such a bad idea on average, destroyer WOULD be a great class for solos simply because of the prime

[slim compass]

Howdy gang

[hollow pecan]

okay so what is this in uk time? I wish you wouldn't only list PDT times come not all of us are from one part of the world lol

[slim compass]

Never played an extraction shooter before but I took a leap of faith and got marathon bc I love the art direction

[split wind]

I try not to cross maps anymore if I can help it - If I get a mission location on a map and I jump in at the opposite side of map .... I often just extract out after a bit of looting and don't bother with the mission - wait till I get a closer infil position - rushing across the map is how I get killed a lot of the time .

[turbid plover]

It literally shows in your local time in my message

[upbeat spade]

Just smoke and melee, its quiet and faster.

[hollow pecan]

oooh, my bad broski, thank you very much

[slim compass]

Needless to say game slaps but MAN am I steaming dog ass

[turbid plover]

That's the spirit, you'll get better

[graceful zodiac]

Just keep hitting your head against the wall harder?

[slim compass]

Heck yeah, managed to actually get kills last time I played so there’s def some improvement

[hollow pecan]

I appreciate it, it was more towards bungie because they always only list a single time zone

"5:00 AM PDT UTC-7
Marathon will undergo maintenance.
Sign-on will be unavailable.
Players actively in runs will be able to complete them.
5:30 AM PDT UTC-7
Marathon will begin being brought offline for expected maintenance.
Players will start being removed from activities.
~7:00 AM PDT UTC-7
The latest Marathon update is expected to become available across all platforms and regions.
~8:00 AM PDT

[turbid plover]

Yeah it is annoying but that's just their local time and where majority of the playerbase is

[hollow pecan]

ah fair enough

[stuck pulsar]

I hear if you're removed from activities in Marathon, you're removed from activities in real life.

[keen ivy]

I hate that I think I play pretty well, and when I try crew fill I'm absolute dog shit for some reason

[hollow verge]

I wouldn't expect pacific to be the majority of the playerbase, usually isnt the case. but it is their time, so makes sense

[unkempt wing]

When on earth are the patch notes going to be released?

[blissful pulsar]

that too. but destroyer for example also really shreds the wave spawns in pinwheel or idk, guarded chest waves, or interception waves. Like the prime is still useful for pve. Unfortunatly in solos if you do any of those loud you WILL get third partied so eh

[graceful zodiac]

UK things should be done at 3pm (about 1h15 from now)

[hollow verge]

When the patch is out.

[slim compass]

Same I feel like I just play totally different in solo

[turbid plover]

I meant NA as a whole not just pacific time region lol but yeah

[slim compass]

But solo gets to be agonizing after a bit

[hollow horizon]

Broh before downtime i did a rook run on outpost. Got a bag FULL of blues and purples, a schema and a blue bag.
But no exfils were remaining so i had to go out on the last minute exfil.
Before i reach someone starts shooting. I throw a smoke, reposition and take him out. There is no time to loot. There is another rook on the exfil, starts shooting me. I take him down. 12 seconds remain, i jump on the exfil and dont kill the rook so he gets his out as well.
Then a Fing rook was hiding behind a box, takes me out and on 1 second remaining, that Fing Dastard stabs me and takes me out. On 1 second. He couldnt even loot me. I wanted to break something.

[hollow verge]

I will never get sick of solos, 95% of my playtime is in solo queues i have like 5 crew games maximum since last april lol

[blissful pulsar]

i find it MUCH less agonizing than matchmade trios

[keen ivy]

even with my friends we usually shred. For some reason playing with randos it doesn't feel as serious

[hollow pecan]

i think it's because you gotta deal with coordination and sometimes a whole team shooting you at once, it's harder to navigate whereas in solos everyone is on their own and in the exact same circumstances as you most time

[graceful zodiac]

Must admit I've only played solo so far and it's been a great experience

[turbid plover]

He's got that arachne dawg in him, killing for the sport

[keen ivy]

Yeah I loved it at first but, fulfilling certain quests is pretty hard. And I really don't enjoy playing with randoms

[slim compass]

Tbf last time I did solos was in the marsh and gotta say I ain’t a fan of the marsh

[hollow pecan]

other than some of the priority contracts (sekiguchi parasitism) i have to agree. had a lot of fun on solos

[stuck pulsar]

It seems like randoms are either atrocious or they're competent and there is zero in between.

[blissful pulsar]

the only annoying part about solos is that the meta is very "you play assassin or thief" and everybody and their dog is sponsored by cup noodles so even if you kill 4 players all you really loot is the materials they were farming, which is nice, but also kinda never progresses you out of running around in greens n shit

[hollow verge]

i play a locked duo queue in trios matches sometimes with a milsim friend and we absolutely shred, i love feeling a bit outnumber in a teamfight

[slim compass]

Dropped you for the love of the game lmaooo

[keen ivy]

dudes leaving the game as soon as they are downed instead of just waiting to see if last man standing wins the fight... the worst

[hollow pecan]

don't wanna shell shame but every time I'm teamed with a destroyer is always a "ffs" moment for me

[blissful pulsar]

still think that on average matchmade trios loses you more gear than you get if you dont go in turbo cheap, which gets back to the "everybody just running cheap shit trying to high-roll" a run

[turbid plover]

Dudes looting the team after a fight instead of reviving full dead teammates are worse

[stuck pulsar]

As the triage who is usually that last man standing I whole-heartedly agree.

[slim compass]

Needless to say tho this is one of the games where I’m finding myself wanting to get better. I’d love to play with some of you guys at some point

[keen ivy]

There should be a small penality in addition to losing your gear if you leave early

[graceful zodiac]

Only got about 9h so far but it's like you took the gunplay from D2 (which was stellar) and the story is incredible

[granite sun]

people are still unaware they can be revived after a full KO

[blissful pulsar]

like, its a hot take but i do genuinly think games like this shouldnt have matchmade modes at all, but a robust lfg and a robost solo. I dont think the game helps itself by having matchmade trios

[slim compass]

Yeah that caught me off guard when it happened, I was so happy I stuck around because it ended up being my best run

[hollow pecan]

yeah I wish people would have more faith in their team, I remember our teammate being knocked and he backed out just for us to clutch the 2 v 3

[slim compass]

It seems like it’s just the easiest solution to keeping the servers busy

[turbid plover]

4 bags to loot at the cost of 3, deal of the century

[blissful pulsar]

the thing about league or other teamgames is that you dont lose as much when you lose, the roles and objectives are a lot more established, everybody loads into the game with parity, and its MMR matchmade, so whatever happens, its arguably fair

[upbeat spade]

Thank god they're implementing gear based matchmaking.

[blissful pulsar]

you mean ranked?

[hollow pecan]

this means I can't loot blues as a default loadout in my runs?

[keen ivy]

They are ? Isn't ranked based on the value of the loot you exfil ?

[hollow verge]

Ranked isnt in yet, i think theyre referring to that

[keen ivy]

yeah I am too

[turbid plover]

It has to be ranked lol

[hollow pecan]

yeah no way they're adding that to casual. The best feeling is starting with a white loadout and exfilling with greens and blues, and if you're lucky, above

[keen ivy]

Yeah I don't recall bungie mentionning gear based matchmaking for regular playlists

[jovial thicket]

Is it just me, or am I am constantly meeting purple shields that just melts me in every single game?

[hollow horizon]

Its a big GAMBA but honestly if you dont bet your gear you wont progress either because you will also be a deficit against good teams. In the end everything can be earned again and that is the point in this game. Hording everything leads to a mid experience overall, although not hording leads to some extra frustrating lows most than highs, which is your point. But i d say risking your gear ends up being more fun in the long run because when you lose some stuff you got something more to chase. And if it works out, you get some fun cashouts. In the end the most fun i had were random 3v3s where everyone played it great with repositions, self rezes, grenades, pings etc.

[slim compass]

I just wanna be in the cryo archives😤😤😤

[turbid plover]

Then again loadout value will vary, some people will scrap together a loadout that's just enough for ante. Others will run with 15k+ loadouds

[dense turret]

why is ranked needed ?

[blissful pulsar]

but yeah, genuinly think matchmade trios even being an "option" leads to more frustration than good currently, or a very degenerate cup noodle sponsored spamm runs try to highroll a good team and feed off their kills for gear, meta

[hollow verge]

also i dont think ranked is gonna be 'gear based' anyway, beyond having a minium loadout buy-in

[keen ivy]

otherwise you'd just never leave with anything more valuable than your kit

[prime dust]

Once as a Rook on perimeter, I found another Rook just looting in the open. Not thinking about I decide to spam the Friendly line and the default T bag combo, and drop a Blue valuable for them. We ended up looting together, eventually going to a guarded exfil and getting downed as we probably don't have much heals left. We both extracted in the end.

[upbeat spade]

to stop the free kit epidemic

[turbid plover]

It's not, it'll be something to do for people that have maxed out their factions and upgrades to earn some cosmetics and I guess it would help with retention

[scarlet pasture]

im in

[hollow verge]

because having people trying to play for keeps getting constantly queued with people running free kits kills the top-end of the community, cause they dont wanna play when they're being weighed down

[hollow pecan]

I did this and they did this just for them to shotgun me when I got close. Never again

[turbid plover]

Also ranked might or might not have higher value loot around compared to normal, but I'm just speculating

[blissful pulsar]

well, my point is that if you go in with gear, even if everybody on your team also has gear, its still a gamble. But now you are also gambling on teammates who might load in sponsored run off and do their dcon contracts and jump off the map, and now you are solo in a trio lobby just trying to extract without having done anything. Uncoordinated teammates being an additional level of gamba you dont control feels really bad

[keen ivy]

It will bring more endgame, and as a side effect separating a bit the sweat players and the more casuals

[hollow verge]

A loadout value limited queue is super important for the games longevity imo, you already see a ton of friction in this games community due to the lack of any consideration between free kits + 15k kits. people just dont play crew fill period due to the risk of RNGing a terrible team (for what they want)

[turbid plover]

I personally have no gear fear so I'm always as stacked as I can possibly be at any given time but I'm also guilty of running free kit outpost lol

[keen ivy]

For now I tend to be gear feared but only because we don't have Cryo yet :p Keeping my good stuff for it

[hollow verge]

sure, but gear fear isn't really the question here. it's about motivation to bring out gear at all, not due to fear of losing but due to fear of getting to use it effectively :P

[prime dust]

Yeah, Rooks are a mixed bag. You got the friendly ones that help out, and the ones that are just there to earn loot and kill.

[turbid plover]

I'll go to cryo broke and naked if I have to

[dense turret]

Do we want that tho ? Sweaty players to hoard the best stuff possible by playing only against each other ?

[upbeat spade]

Thats why they need gear-to-gear (not gear based) matchmaking for unranked as well

[keen ivy]

watch your for your tips, it's pretty cold there

[hollow horizon]

Honestly, and its something that hardcores will hate, if they implement some form of keeping a part of your kit safe for X rounds(lets say you can pick your bag, weapon and one class core) similar to how items can be looted for X rounds before they vanish, this would greatly incentivise trios to load in with better gear. You would still be able to loot their items, but they would still have a -1 times left copy afterwards.

[calm mulch]

Some sort of solution to playing fill would be nice. But I’d rather they leave it untouched than to implement something that isn’t fully fleshed out. Maybe make perimeter the only place you can freekit. Or give each map a minimum loadout value. Say 0 perimeter, dire-1.5k, outpost 3k.

[slim nimbus]

The amount I'm willing to trust another rook is inverse to the amount of stuff I've already looted

[hollow verge]

Yes, generally extraction shooters provide higher loot opportunities in more aggressive queues and maps

[turbid plover]

The heat buildup of swinging my knife will keep me warm and cozy

[keen ivy]

This is the way.

[sharp nimbus]

Who keeps sending that robot feet pic

[turbid plover]

Holy shit what if you freeze in cryo archive if your heat bar is too low for too long

[upbeat spade]

There's already not enough gear attrition. We just need gear-to-gear (not gear based) matchmaking.

[turbid plover]

Anti camping mechanic? 👀

[slim nimbus]

Queues already take too long rn tbh

[chrome dock]

Sorry for interrupting the conco. has anyone had issues with super bad performance? I have a laptop with a ryzen 7 7735hs and a rx 7700s, and even with low graphics i get 40-60 frames 😭 . I tried overclocking my cpu and got 70 frames however had +90C temps. I'm aware the game is not as optimized yet, but theres gotta be a way for me to get more frames 😭

[turbid plover]

We do know that freeze status exists because of hardware and mech kits describe it, but we haven't seen it in game yet

[slim nimbus]

"I have a laptop"

[hollow verge]

any sort of safe-pocket or selecting a certain piece of loot to be secure through runs would be terrible i think, the gearing loop is lightning fast here we dont need folks hoarding items ontop of that

[hollow horizon]

Although i agree and i usually risk my gear and lose it with sponsored kit teams, i am trying to figure out what would work to make trios get in with better gear instead.

[chrome dock]

lmao yeah i guess thats half of the reason

[upbeat spade]

Brutal truth, but if we have to worry about queue times 2 weeks after launch then it doesn't look good.

[keen ivy]

So... Maxing out your heat capacity in the skill tree might not be a good idea after all 👀

[hollow verge]

what is wrong with the queue times? about the same as dota queue times for me in east coast ?

[stuck pulsar]

I've somehow never run into a queue

[novel current]

Hey it’s 9 turn on the servers Bungie

[turbid plover]

Yeah that's what civil people do. They wait in it.

[slim nimbus]

Dota has skill based matchmaking and larger teams

[crystal coral]

before I go insane again looking for one does Marathon have a toggle HUD button? Because it definitely should

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[dense turret]

Would like a mini game like google jumping t-rex instead of the animated waiting screens (that are beautiful by the way)

[upbeat spade]

You do gear to gear matchmaking.

• Match free kits with free kits
• Gear'd players likewise
• put them all in the same lobby

Free kits get to kamikaze.
Gear'd players don't feel they "roll'd" unlucky

[prime dust]

Maybe maxing out heat capacity is useful, as you can probably stay heated up for longer.

[hollow verge]

What matters is that both take at maximum 2 minutes to find a game, and that's extreme length

[keen ivy]

I'm in EU and in my experience, they don't feel that quick. Like, compare a Rook run to a Trio/Solo run and it's a night and day difference

[stuck pulsar]

Lol i mean the line is so obvious. How could anyone run into one?

[hollow verge]

certainly cant speak for EU yeah, just USEast

[keen ivy]

Speaking of regions I wonder how popular the game is in China

[spark plover]

no no no no no no

[turbid plover]

My queue times on eu are almost always sub 1 min

[slim nimbus]

Yes. Flappy moth

[dense turret]

Snake, but with worms

[tame cloud]

Does anyone know if this update includes the Cryo Archive or ranked matches?

[upbeat spade]

why not?

[high oak]

or does it include increase stacks in the vault?

[slim nimbus]

Because that is an awful way to onboard people.

[keen ivy]

we don't know but given how long the maintenance is taking, maybe ! ARG is close to being finished

[turbid plover]

we don't know SHIT wait for patch notes

[upbeat spade]

But thats what happens anyways. And the https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1483315405505433782 is real

[restive trellis]

gosh i wish the mods would use the local times code for these messages like you did ❤️ thank you!

[spark plover]

although i get what you mean i really dont think you should be doing these artifical barriers. if you have better gear it will feel good to actually outperform the white shields. if you die to a white shield then it is what it is

[zealous pendant]

How long is the server gone be closed? Im tryna play

[lilac isle]

letmein.gif

[hollow horizon]

Quick answers would be that games will either be sweatty af or scrapyard farming. Also queue times will vary a lot.

[neat meteor]

Servers luv

[keen ivy]

couple of hours left

[hollow verge]

They'll never do gear-gear matchmaking in casuals, thats how you kill an extraction shooter. The whole high of the game is going in zero to hero and getting a skillful takedown on someone in 2 tiers higher than you gear

[zealous pendant]

Hours?😩

[slim nimbus]

The issue he has isn't other teams with better gear, it's other players on your fill

[upbeat spade]

None of that changes. except now as a free kit you don't get the benefit of sometimes (very rarely now) of having a gear'd on your team

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[proven skiff]

I'm just guessing but it feels like the game tries to pair people with the same contracts etc, could have something to do with it

[potent anvil]

Did we get the new code yet?

[turbid plover]

Check views on bilibili and compare it to youtube, it's the best estimate you can get without hard numbers

[upbeat spade]

We're not talking about different matches. you only match the players together in the same trio. Everyone still gets mixed together the same.

[pallid hearth]

It should be ready now i just did the time conversion

[slim nimbus]

Inb4 the free kit epidemic just gets worse

[turbid plover]

I don't know what your time conversion is man it ain't time yet

[slim nimbus]

People stop queuing with gear because if they do it bloats their queue time

[crystal coral]

2 more hours until I can start losing my gear 😔

[turbid plover]

What's your timezone

[upbeat spade]

Why would it get worse? People could start bringing in gear again.

[pale star]

it depens on time but not to ooo much i think

[slim nimbus]

See following up post

[pale star]

when is marathon open EST TIME

[turbid plover]

Maintenance for Update 1.0.5

Between <t:1773748800:t> and <t:1773766800:t>
Start <t:1773748800:R>
End <t:1773766800:R>
Login available at <t:1773763200:t> <t:1773763200:R>
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO
CLICK HERE FOR PATCH NOTES
-# Patch notes link will work when patch notes are published*

[pallid hearth]

you can log in within the next hour

[slim nimbus]

Slowly widening gap between geared lobby gear value and free kit value, if you can't punch above x value you may as well free kit and play twice as many matches ect

[split wind]

Gear other than consumables or grenades/claymores does not seem to save me that much - the knife on the other hand is a vital tool

[pallid hearth]

3 hour time difference

[hollow verge]

JSYK your numbers are inaccurate here by an hour.

[pale star]

mmmmmm

[hollow verge]

EDT would be at 12PM not 1PM

[potent anvil]

Did we solve the new contract?

[upbeat spade]

Again, we're not talking different lobbys.

Dire marsh map, 6 teams :

• 3 trios made up of free kits
• 3 of geared.

[tiny lantern]

I think login is available at 8 am Pacific, not 9

[pallid hearth]

???????

[brave wind]

kid named daylight savings emerges

[hollow verge]

Maint ends at 9AM PDT, which is 12PM EDT

[slim nimbus]

Right, but, I need 2 other people in my gear bracket quue8ng at the same time.more people are more likely to be running free than any other given value

[woven dawn]

the drag and drop mod removal is going to be blessed during runs. knife skin fix is also goated

[terse peak]

patch notes are up https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon_update_1_0_5

[pallid hearth]

yeah and you can login at 8am pdt

[turbid plover]

Login opens an hour before maintenance ends

[heady heron]

Quick question, has the dev team given any updates on what's causing my game to freeze when opening the map? If so any quick fixes for the time being?

[hollow verge]

yes, users post above says that it ends at 1PM and opens at 12PM on my end though, which is 1hr off from bungie's site info

[slim nimbus]

Exfil while down? Lmao

[upbeat spade]

Not once the change goes through and people realize they can bring in gear again without being matched with no mic/free kits.

[slim nimbus]

2 minute post death cam is cool

[pallid hearth]

PDT to EDT is 8AM to 11AM edt

[earnest flower]

why would u want to log in if maitenance is sti

[slim nimbus]

NO THEY NERFED THIEF

[terse peak]

Players can now activate exfil beacons while downed. Good luck.
wow...so maybe with the prolonged bleedout timer you can make it?

[vast anchor]

to play the game

[slim nimbus]

"Pickpocket Drone can no longer loot players who are in the active exfil animation."

[vast anchor]

we got patch notes chat ?

[patent dove]

need the knife fix too

[hollow verge]

'fixed an issue where UESC would repeatedly use the same ladder' oh man UESC cheese got a huge nerf today

[proven skiff]

Link the patch notes?

[earnest flower]

well saurely that means maintenance is over when u can log in, right??

[turbid plover]

bro they changed the fucking times like 3 times I don't even know what my times are at this point

Do your own conversion I ain't doing it again

[hollow verge]

I'm just pointing out when people are repeating those #'s that they're inaccurate :V

[keen ivy]

🙏 SUMMONING THE PATCH NOTES 🙏

[vital idol]

dose somebody know what is going to be in this update ??

[hollow verge]

patch notes dropped a few mins ago, you can see for yourself

[terse peak]

they've been up for like 5 mins now

[pallid hearth]

if you kill the entire lobby you drop a nuke the next game

[keen ivy]

oh what ? Nothing shows up for me https://www.bungie.net/7/fr/News/Article/marathon_update_1_0_5

[terse peak]

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon_update_1_0_5 works

[prime dust]

I'm gonna save up a bunch of Claymores for a single run sometime.

[grand bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-drooling-subaru-patrick-subaru-spongebob-subaru-subaru-meme-gif-677039772887765399

[spark sail]

no vault stacking update this time?

[keen ivy]

shit, then it's a browser incompatibility, I'm using Zen

[hollow verge]

try the english patch notes, maybe fr hasnt been updated yet

[pallid hearth]

your pc stuck in a time loop?

[grand bronze]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3065800/view/542258947877241788?l=english - patch notes on steam

[terse peak]

no, it's likely the /fr I think?

[turbid plover]

Pickpocket Drone can no longer loot players who are in the active exfil animation.

[keen ivy]

tried "en" but its not working either, weird

[hollow verge]

its literally in the vault section of the patchnotes dawg

[slim nimbus]

Cryo Archive
Cryo Archive has been added to the game. Good luck getting there.

[spark sail]

i might be stupid

[grand bronze]

thank god u copy pasted that i didnt see that at the bottom in its own section!

[signal bough]

Nice patch noes let's go

[keen ivy]

"Lowered the range that you can hear other players in combat."

It's in

[hollow verge]

sad no ranked drop, but im happy with whats here

[signal bough]

Thief drone exploit patched, WSTR nerfs, sound changes, mod drag and drop

[verbal pulsar]

Thief drone patches is sad. I loved the expression it had

[dense flare]

WSTR nerfs, audio range lowered, drag and drop weapon mods 👍

[dapper halo]

as a brand new player whose only experienced the current noise levels, just how much louder was it made that theyre reversing?

[terse peak]

Items
Exfilling with a Temporal Fragment will produce variable rewards depending on your seasonal Runner Level.
interesting

[pallid hearth]

if ANYONE is playing ranked im down to play

[lost patio]

Zones

Cryo Archive
    Cryo Archive has been added to the game. Good luck getting there.

[latent hornet]

when will servers be up again?

[pallid hearth]

Tomorrow

[hollow verge]

what expression lol they fixed a UI bug and fixed it being broken when people exfil

[mild tundra]

is this fr 😭

[keen ivy]

quite a bit, I don't remember hearing the other side of the map at launch in Perimeter for example

[jagged beacon]

Shooting audio is supposed to be fixed now. LFG

[jagged beacon]

yes

[verbal pulsar]

I thought the patches were claymore shit and some of the movement tech off it. The movement stuff is hilarious

[hollow verge]

ayo thats smart as hell actually, encourage higher level and gear players to go for these objs

[keen ivy]

"Increased post-run spectator camera timeout from 30 seconds to 120 seconds."

Not expected but very welcomed !

[hollow verge]

oh no, nothing changed there just the exfil robbing and the button prompt not showing your custom keybinds

[terse peak]

yeah, so you don't end up in situations like endgame only playing cryo

[azure panther]

where update?

[hollow verge]

about an hour or so

[dapper halo]

just keep relaunching the game nonstop until its back

[dense flare]

Shotgun nerfs

[verbal pulsar]

Bet. Yeah looting the exfil was some bs.

[terse peak]

I'd honestly wish for it to allow me to swap between the people as well

[keen ivy]

"Pickpocket Drone can no longer loot players who are in the active exfil animation."

Damn, they were quick to react. Very good patch !

[mortal cypress]

shotgun nerf and vandal buffs

[dapper halo]

did they fix the infinite thief drone exploit too?

[twin folio]

oh wow Cyro Archive was added, did people complete the ARG?

[terse peak]

WSTR Combat Shotgun
Reduced leftward motion in firing recoil.
Increased duration of spin ready required before it can be interrupted by weapon fire.
Redistributed damage falloff. It now retains near-max damage at point-blank range but falls off much more quickly.
Reduced aim assist cone size and reduced the influence of aim assist on pellet spread as they travel.
oomph

[hollow verge]

I dont think the ARG is specifically for unlocking cryo actually, but it pertains to cryo

[dense flare]

The amount of stuff and speed with which they can change is very promising

[terse peak]

Drag & Drop can now be used to remove weapon mods from weapons.
Dragging a mod attached to a weapon into the backpack or Vault will now remove the mod and place it into that inventory rather than moving the entire weapon
finally this is good stuff

[hollow verge]

given that the preservation ARG is still ongoing but cryo is now open, anyhow

[twin folio]

ohhh cool ty

[dapper halo]

the destiny space station maps and exteriors are some of the coolest dungeons/raids so hoping for similar

[south bay]

Vandal can now flash step, sick update

[twin folio]

Can't wait to run around the Marathon ship

[harsh dome]

Is ranked gonna be out?

[keen ivy]

"UESC dropships that arrive during the Lockdown event in the northeast corner of Algae Ponds will no longer fly in through player space, killing players in their path."

Damn, I saw only like ONE video of that, Bungie is watching very closely

[pale star]

what that means

[vast anchor]

THANK YOU RNGJESUS

[sudden stratus]

Good morning