new-noise

[placid storm]

i thought i was cilantro boy

[compact violet]

Sekiguchi goon contract makes sense nvm

[light scroll]

and you can tell some of the top writers dont really like his stuff, remember during LF they tried to retcon unveiling before pushback had them unretcon the retcons

[undone wave]

LMAO

[rapid jolt]

some of the top writers are what you call: wrong

[steep solstice]

what are we disagreeing about today

[placid storm]

sekigoonchi

[lime tundra]

Oh those are also good

[undone wave]

Make the Vision Pro cheaper

[light scroll]

hello mother

[lime tundra]

I miss red war and rasputin

[placid storm]

i’m at work waiting to play oblivion when i get off

[compact violet]

obliviously mid

[steep solstice]

hello sophie my child I hope you are doing well

[undone wave]

I don't - I played it, 3 times over, I'm good. But I wish it was back, because you know what's killing Destiny the most? The biggest bad?

New Player Experience.....getting into Destiny is a complete fucking disaster

[shell meadow]

Im at home staring at my screen

[placid storm]

midriffs? hell yeah

[compact violet]

man do u goon'oclock every second

[placid storm]

no not really. i’m not as bad as you think i am

[rapid jolt]

the core of Good Destiny Lore is a dedication to world building and complex characters, and then building off of that to make the plot good. which is why the hive seasons always go crazy and the vex ones kinda blew pre-sundaresh. it's a lack of good base to work off of

[undone wave]

Worse?

[lime tundra]

It's almost like they deleted the new player expirience or something

[placid storm]

i am tame

[light scroll]

i am, my left arm is bruised to hell and back and my right is aching but otherwise im fine

[waxen gazelle]

Please someone get me an invite to the game I want to play so badly

[undone wave]

Are you American, Canadian, or a famous streamer?

[shell meadow]

That plays into the finite story in seasons causing a horrible time for new players and old earlier that I mentioned earlier.

NPE is fucking awful in D2 rn, I used to think Warframe had a bad NPE (im not comparing the game outside NPE). I think the script is reversed these days

[rapid jolt]

sometimes shit just happens in destiny and it annoys me so badly because it just feels like a contrivance that doesn't fit

[waxen gazelle]

american

[compact violet]

can you guys give me a list of your top 5 exotics so I know who to ignore

[light scroll]

shoutout to the entirety of lightfall, deep, and wish

[lime tundra]

Is that because of the gal that came over yesterday?

[placid storm]

the problem with destiny is that there’s no threat or any reason to worry about anything. like marvel movies. you know things will work out in the end.

[light scroll]

secret

[undone wave]

Yep. This sort of shit even plagues comics. This is why Marvel and DC constantly reboot the entire damn comic universe every so often - to let new readers join more easily

[rapid jolt]

wish was weird but i can excuse it bc riven was there. and taranis lore went crazy

[acoustic juniper]

That’s kinda what drove me away

[shell meadow]

Now is it fun bruising or not fun bruising

[waxen gazelle]

Please someone get me an invite to the game I want to play so badly

[light scroll]

i HATE wish story i hate what they did with riven

[lime tundra]

Shoutout like half of the seasonal stuff

[light scroll]

secret

[placid storm]

like, all these episodes is just fighting old bosses. again.

[undone wave]

This is what getting old is like

[shell meadow]

Damn gotta pull up the Oblivion dialogue wheel

[placid storm]

You have my ear, citizen.

[waxen gazelle]

just let me play the damn game i aint waiting till september

[lime tundra]

🫡

[undone wave]

Not now. Not here. Not ever.

[shell meadow]

gets interrupted by combat

[waxen gazelle]

arc raiders better anyway

[compact violet]

well gang it's not a single player game where we can die (if that's what u mean)

[placid storm]

a guard told one of the homeless beggars that and it was funny as fuck lmao

[lime tundra]

The alpha ended a week or two ago, you'll have to wait for the next beta/alpha

[undone wave]

That's what happens when you fail the flirt

[waxen gazelle]

the devs can end it for ending it

[light scroll]

riven was an irredeemable monster driven insane by mara abusing/mistreating a sapient animal for a shortcut to build stuff, wish made her soft and squishy and its okay because turns out she couldve left the dreaming city whenever she wanted cause she had a portal to the black garden just lying around i fucking guess also taranis is a dumb plot point

[rapid jolt]

im open to the echoes thing despite my beef with the concept because i do think it's an Okay way to double back and clean up plot threads, even if their existence is sorta dubious. but it's kinda falling flat

[steep solstice]

Sorry to hear this. Can you put some ice on. Get plenty of rest and drink lots of water 👍

[shell meadow]

My life exists off the Fallout 4 dialogue tree

Sarcastically saying yes to everything

[compact violet]

What I thought she was cursed and literally was made to live in the dreaming city or something and tried to idk kill many people and curse them I kinda forgor

[placid storm]

By Azura, by Azura, by Azura!

[undone wave]

When companies get too big, quality goes counterintuitively down, across every department

[light scroll]

also retconning all ahamkara to look like raid riven is bad too, riven looks disgusting in last wish cause shes trying to kill the player and is taken, ahamkara in other books are describes as having wings and feathers in other forms

[light scroll]

this isnt a result of that, given how final shape released right after and had some of the best ingame story destiny has ever seen

[rapid jolt]

see i think irredeemable monster is a useless character flattener, is the thing. she can be awful and still sympathetic. it felt like a nice addition even if her ghost was a weird thing

[shell meadow]

This is all news to me cause I hated the wishy stuff and never got invested

[lime tundra]

I need someone to go back and rewrite everything that happened post forsaken. Like let's re-do that bit

[compact violet]

wasn't final shape and light fall supposed to be in one dlc or is that a hoax

[light scroll]

she was sympathetic but not nc of her character, shes sympathetic bc mara sov used her as a tool and left her to rot while she went off to knowingly be "killed" by oryx

[undone wave]

Its been so downhill after Season of Arrivals for me...the more we got to know, the more "oh....so...that's it" things became

[lime tundra]

It was supposed to be one DLC

[light scroll]

riven as a person is not redeemable after all the people she killed, cayde included

[undone wave]

The books between the Gardener and the Winower were so interesting...then...the Witness came along

[compact violet]

that's kinda why cayde doesn't wanna be revived right

[light scroll]

kinda kinda not, original plans had neptune and stuff not exist but the final shape that released wouldnt be the way it is without lightfall

[shell meadow]

tbh though, I am of the opinion that they just made lightfall the fuck up. The fact you can take the opening and ending cutscenes of lightfall and almost everything in the middle was "find the mcguffin" that didnt really matter makes it feel completely contrived

[lime tundra]

Speaking of things rasputin did that were cool. (The first time we heard about the garden was a rasputin book that was quoting a terminal from marathon)

[rapid jolt]

idc about redemption tbh. i care about how compelling the characters end up and what they do for the plot

[light scroll]

nimbus being the first allied trans char and also probably the worst character in the game is devilish work by bungie, at least micah is cool ig

[compact violet]

Redemption is fine it's just Bungie does it way to fucking much like they're scared to keep ppl evil

[shell meadow]

Nimbus didnt even say anything in the finale right?

[rapid jolt]

rasputin also did mega murder and he still managed to be cool

[compact violet]

no lol they only appeared in one scene iirc

[undone wave]

Not everyone needs to be friend shaped

[rapid jolt]

nimbus is like. i don't care for them but i feel like i have to back them just because of the State Of the Playerbase

[compact violet]

And like told you they were calling bomb strike support in excision (or was it catil or however u spell her name)

[shell meadow]

Its funny cause I think someone says something to Nimbus during the final fight and they dont get a response

[undone wave]

Nimbus was straight up cringe, it has to be said. Peak millenial humor (as a millenial)

[shell meadow]

Lets be retrowave for an expansion ecks dee

[light scroll]

rasputins a diff circumstance being a bot with not much self awareness for 99% of his life, and by the time he did get the means to be self aware he deeply regretted what he did to his son but kept moving forward despite it

[undone wave]

xD!

[light scroll]

meanwhile riven was fucked up by years of abuse by mara and everything she does stems from that abuse

[lime tundra]

Nimbus could have been so fucking cool man

[undone wave]

That's how you know I'm a millenial. I just 👍

[compact violet]

Rasputin heavily hates himself for what he did being a bot slave ordered to kill people and I think literally sealed off the means to blow up the travler

[shell meadow]

My god, the decision to make the entirety of Neo Muna digitized (really showed how rushed the expansion was imho) really helped make the entire zone extremely lifeless and hollow

[light scroll]

riven was meant to show off mara's hubris and ego, her complete disregard for other people. but instead in wish riven is given a pity story for the ages when she already has one without being made into a good guy

[rapid jolt]

oryx is still my number one transmasc rep guy tbh. perfect example of what I want. big cool as fuck well-written and not a teen boy. nimbus....well. they exist

[undone wave]

I was gonna say this but didn't want to. Thanks for making me feel like I am not the only one. But they had to I think, to make it a playable battlefield. Wouldn't have made much sense to have so man people roaming around while the darkness is here

[compact violet]

Playable battlefield?

battlefield 1....

[shell meadow]

Like even if your entire civilization is on the grid give them mechs or machines or some kind've avatar for them to upload themselves into like literally every other digital race in fiction.

[undone wave]

I'd rather 2042, unpopular opinion, but there it is

[compact violet]

ok

[lime tundra]

Actually let's just re-do destiny 2, start over again

[compact violet]

Let's re-do destiny series

[lime tundra]

2142 is peak

[undone wave]

Inside of the Traveller....there is just another Destiny 2

[shell meadow]

Destiny 2 remake is canonically just inside the traveler

[compact violet]

I consider 2042 the prequel of this spin off so I don't have to accept it's a mainline title

[lime tundra]

Don't diss 2142 like that :(

[undone wave]

What if the real enemy of Destiny 2 was the Shadow Wizard Money Gang?

[shell meadow]

Peak Battlefield is still BFBC2 and I cannot be moved from my pedestal

[mint arch]

the general consensus among players is “yes”, they/we do want a D3.

D2 has been out for 8 years.

That’s 5 more years than the difference between D1 and D2’s release dates.

Honestly if Bungie wants to just continue to add on to D2, then they need to leave behind old gen consoles because that’s a major reason they claim they aren’t “able to put as much content as they’d like”.. they should also drop the “2” and just name it Destiny.

I don’t think players will have a problem starting from scratch if they created a story that made sense as to why we’re starting from scratch… and just make all subclasses interchangeable.
Just have prismatic and all supers/fragments/aspect available from all subclasses.

[compact violet]

2042 has interesting story blurbs that you can't play 🙂

[compact violet]

I don't care can you buss it down for a real one

[undone wave]

Exactly, just like Destiny 2

[mint arch]

https://tenor.com/view/twerk-twerking-gif-974202965086311332

[compact violet]

Why did you have this so quickly ready

[shell meadow]

DICE have literally gone on record and admitted that they dont know how BFBC2 was succesful or to make a new one.

If that isnt a self report on talent idk what is.

[undone wave]

Unsavory

[mint arch]

That’s me

[lime tundra]

I don't want d3 until we get red war back tbh

[undone wave]

Well, yeah, all the BFBC2 homies left to make The Finals and Arc Raiders

[undone wave]

This is an insane take. Would gladly forego Red War for a D3.

[mint arch]

oh, that’s over w lol. they removed it to avoid a lawsuit. it’s never coming back

[compact violet]

The SoulSilver effect

[shell meadow]

Mhm, thats why I wish The Finals had traditional BF style game modes, because outside of the goofy gadgets it feels INSANELY og battlefield

Well, it feels BF3 era battlefield mostly

[lime tundra]

That's just a lie? They removed it because of storage space issues and only got sued recently

[shell meadow]

That's true, they didnt remove it because of the lawsuit and its removal predates the filing iirc

[mint arch]

marathon just private messaged me with a warning for posting that gif that only shows if you click the link.

but only to the steal art but they also steal fun.

[compact violet]

actual 1984 wtf

[undone wave]

The thing that upset me the most about Destiny - is that our companions are always just out of sight on a radio, doing something. I loved in Lightfall how we fought together with Caitl. It felt like "jesus finally some teamwork"

Sure, Cayde in Forsaken....but that was at the start, and never again....until years later, with Caitl

[compact violet]

Ok I'm gonna go conveniently do something but we on radio tho

[undone wave]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[shell meadow]

Destiny had to really learn the "Show dont tell" lesson many times, they loved to just tell you about awesome stuff and never show it to you, and they kept making this mistake

[steep solstice]

2042 really needed a campaign. It was the perfect backdrop

[mint arch]

You can believe that if you want.

We’ll just say it’s a coincidence that they are currently on trial for being accused of stealing the entire red war story…. AND the red war campaign being removed and all of a sudden “not able to recover it”

[undone wave]

All the codex stuff was interesting....but you could only ever read it and it was completely disconnected from the gameplay

[lime tundra]

The thing is if d3 happened right now it would leave absolutely 0 chance of being able to play the vaulted DLCs. If we don't get a D3 I can still have some hope they will come back and I would rather have that hope then a D3. Also EOF basically is D3, Destiny 3 would just be the same thing as what we are getting now except it would cost more and not have any of the old content.

[undone wave]

They had lore for cosmetic DLC in BF2042...which is crazy to me

[compact violet]

Weather manipulation the video game

[undone wave]

The thing is if d3 happened right now it would leave absolutely 0 chance of being able to play the vaulted DLCs

Let me give you some wisdom: Your new life, will cost you your old one.

[shell meadow]

They have it, it just doesnt work with the current build of the game. Which makes sense cause it was ripped out of a build years old now. They would either have to make a new build of the game SPECIFICALLY for previewing vaulted content and run that server seperately or update the content to the current build and either was more costly than attempting to get the case dismissed by using third party evidence, thus the judge denied.

[compact violet]

What's funny 2042 follows battlefield 3-4 canonically

[lime tundra]

What are you on about? The red war campaign was removed nearly 5 years ago and the lawsuit was filed less then a year ago. The removal of the campaigns had absolutely nothing to do with the lawsuit

[undone wave]

Rampancy detected

[lime tundra]

The rest of that message is talking about how getting a D3 is pointless anyways because that is basically what edge of fate is.

[shell meadow]

The lawsuit is pretty much baseless, literally using narrative elements that are so generic they could be used against Star Wars. The timeline for his story and the time the Red War campaign is really iffy to

[mint arch]

i’m pretty sure if someone stole something, they’ll know it way before being accused of stealing it.

smart by then to remove it before any allegations would potentially occur… which it ultimately did

[light scroll]

bless my beautiful transgender life

[undone wave]

Yes I've read the rest of your message.

Destiny 3 would just be the same thing as what we are getting now except it would cost more and not have any of the old content.

You are fixated on old Destiny content. It's derailing any sane discussion about it further.

[compact violet]

bless my beautiful chronically new noise life

[shell meadow]

You should actually just look into the lawsuit yourself man, it's not worth wasting breath on frivolous bad actors.

I wouldnt bless my life, probably curse it

[lime tundra]

It's because I like old destiny content, and until we get the ability to actually play red war - forsaken again then I will continue to be fixated on it.

[mint arch]

I just feel with bungie’s track record of stealing, they lost the benefit of the doubt

[compact violet]

so anyway who likes peggle 2

[neat bramble]

i love pegging

[undone wave]

https://tenor.com/view/peggle-peggle2-two-e3-meme-gif-15554864

[compact violet]

not...not that type but you have spirit

[shell meadow]

Right, you can doubt them all you want, look at the lawsuit as you should, because you no longer trust them. Trust me the lawsuit does not look strong in any regard.

[terse thicket]

paging us tow trucks man

[undone wave]

The biggest announcement of E3 2012 (or was it 2011) 2013

[compact violet]

It's so funny how excited he was to announce peggle 2 like it would change the world

[undone wave]

I wish I had that man's confidence in life

[compact violet]

Introducing....@undone wave TWO!!!

[undone wave]

Man....I just rewatched it. Literally nobody clapped. Absolute disaster.

[shell meadow]

I learned that Bandai Namco retconned the lore of their entire space arcade series of games to fall within the same extended timeline of Ace Combat, making Ace Combat and Dig Dug (Galaga and Galaxian included) in the same universe, canonically

[lime tundra]

I like peggle nights

[rotund pewter]

Time for bungie to do crunch hours for 4 months WOOHOOO!

[hard forge]

i've got a friend who likes to play peggle with his wife. or she plays it? i don't know it was a confusing conversation

[undone wave]

....pardonfuck?

[compact violet]

I remember reading that it's so fucking funny

[shell meadow]

Yep. It's hilarious. The picture of the extended timeline is a mile long

[undone wave]

a man can pump the ground while aces fight in the sky, but Riven is irredeemable

[shell meadow]

In the universe the last Ace Combat game is AC3 Electrosphere and then afterwards it eventually becomes space games

[compact violet]

It's just as funny as B.J. Blazkowicz (Wolfenstien guy) commander keem, and doomguy/slayer is in the SAME family bloodline

[shell meadow]

TIL

[undone wave]

Commander Keen, not Commander Keem 🤣

[hard forge]

not one original thought in castlevania, huh

[compact violet]

Doomguy is the son of keen and is the great-grandson of bj

[undone wave]

well the latest 3 games changed that a bit huh

[compact violet]

yeah doomslayer is god or something

[shell meadow]

are the new games a seperate canon?

[undone wave]

I never finished Eternal...dont think ill pick up Dark Ages...

[shell meadow]

So i only played the 2016, I skipped Eternal, and I got completely blindsided by the amount of plot and characters in Dark Ages

[steep solstice]

Dark Ages looks fun

[shell meadow]

gross, story.

[undone wave]

Did the shit with Mick Gordon ever get resolved?

[shell meadow]

I thought he just stopped working with id software

[spice shell]

Mernin’

[lime tundra]

Awawawawa

[undone wave]

HALO: Morning evolved

[shell meadow]

morning sunshine

[compact violet]

The canon timeline goes Doom -> Doom II -> Doom 64 -> Doom: The Dark Ages -> Doom 2016 -> Doom Eternal

Apprently
Idk where dark ages fits, it's a prequel if I'm remembering so it's probably before doom 2016

I don't think they have ever said no other game isn't canon besides 3 nor do I really gaf all that much

[undone wave]

that much is right, Dark ages -> 2016 -> Eternal

[shell meadow]

Man usually I'm totally there for story but Doom...Doom is exlusively for shooting bad things.

[undone wave]

ok John Carmack

[compact violet]

The moment they said doom is basically god and is literally chosen to bend the universes will to make him win atp it's just a power fantasy

Like what do u fucking mean he's god and and God's chosen champion and the universe bends to him

[undone wave]

Well is that so different from the protagonist in Marathon?

[compact violet]

yeah but I like Bungie so I will proceed to hate on something I don't gaf about!

[undone wave]

You are Destiny

[shell meadow]

really sounds like that one kid that would always bend the universe for him to win if you played imaginary with him

[compact violet]

Well I like doom slayer lore but it's just genuinely crazy

[undone wave]

Ok, you killed me, but i actually am invincible, so I come back to life, and now youre going to jail

[compact violet]

All because of an rabbit

[shell meadow]

fuck, do I atleast pass go?

[spice shell]

Forget doom timeline, let’s talk about the Zelda timeline.

[undone wave]

Your dad doesn't have as much money as mine, so no, sorry 😦

[shell meadow]

god no please no, why have you forsaken us

[compact violet]

there's 3 links and they follow different timelines there solved

[spice shell]

I’m evil

[undone wave]

Like which Zelda timeline kind of evil though

[shell meadow]

The dark timeline of Zelda is the most interesting one though. The other ones are boring.

[compact violet]

bro name is link but don't have a linkable story to piece together smh

[spice shell]

The one where kid link fails.

[undone wave]

Why are you like this

[shell meadow]

but thats true?

[undone wave]

Don't help him!

[compact violet]

Zelda battle royale

[shell meadow]

Oh your right, Butane bad

[spice shell]

Finally!

[hard forge]

you're

[undone wave]

At last! After 10,000 years I am free to conquer earth!

[compact violet]

🤫 SHHHH!!! 🔈❌🤐 LOOK! 👀 BUTANE 🚗 IS🗣️ TYPING 🖥️ LISTEN 👂 AND❓ LEARN ‼️ 📖

[shell meadow]

imma reconfigure your toes

[undone wave]

yer*

[light scroll]

awawa

[compact violet]

I hate when video games have so much lore and then they wanna make a reboot and be like "ok fuck all that this is canon now lol" and it's just 100% times worse

[undone wave]

Well...if you ignore history, you are DOOMed to repeat it, ahyuck

[shell meadow]

i dont want to sound like a boomer but it does feel like narrative storytelling jumped off a cliff at some point

[compact violet]

it jumped off post 2018

[compact violet]

awawa

I can't believe I missed this

[undone wave]

Press ⬛ to yell Sean

[shell meadow]

Like I really hate the conversation of "old game good new game bad" cause it's always disingenuous, but man.

[undone wave]

What new game? What old game? There is only Fortnite

[viscid spear]

Did I hear some carbon-based lifeform just say "old game good"?

[undone wave]

o_o

[shell meadow]

I really blame large narrative teams. Trying to a filter a story through 50 people versus just one dude on crack spending long nights writing some unhinged shit

[undone wave]

So is that like...The entire Veilguard narrative team vs one Kojima?

[compact violet]

gaming died when pong released let's be honest

[hard forge]

ip asset guidance. new owner doesn't want to have to deal with 15yr old licensing or crediting scenario authors so they just reboot to something they wholy own.

[steep solstice]

Scam Citizen is paywalling features now. vidya games are over

[undone wave]

Wait what....no

[compact violet]

I was legit a child when that game was in development how is it still going on

[light scroll]

its just a grift

[steep solstice]

sunk cost fallacy

[undone wave]

Is paywalling features = ship insurance or something new?

[hard forge]

and because they're thinking with their portfolios they just look at "what's popular" and copy all that junk to make something "people will love" without loving what they're making

[shell meadow]

suppresses the need to mention being old again

[light scroll]

back in my day....

[compact violet]

Like me and my brother were legit children n young adults when we were talking about in the future we'd make a star citizen world together

💔💔💔💔HOW IS THIS SHIT NOT DONE

[viscid spear]

That's how I write most of my shit

[undone wave]

Most games have publishers that reign them in and force them to not play tech innovators as well as game makers. These guys, they are both devs and publishers, with a very large yet niche audience that is cashed up.

[shell meadow]

Im sure regardless of how good it is, it's definitely unhinged

[steep solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyFDite7XaY

[undone wave]

They are definitely making new tech that's interesting and ground breaking....shame it may never see the light of day if they dont license it out or fucking release their 1 game (and single player campaign)

[compact violet]

back in my day we didn't have dlcs and add-ons or updates we just had to hope the game released good
-every reddit comment Everytime a game has a shitty update or drop

[hard forge]

back in my day games were made by a bunch of young weirdos dumping their pulp fantasy and comicbook influences all over their games because they all got to be friends over that stuff and if it took off they were too young to have made mistakes worth noticing

[shell meadow]

I mean you see it in movies and shows. Hollywood doesnt really write their own movies anymore, they just find someone elses written work and buy the rights to it.

[viscid spear]

Unhinged would be my middle name, if it wasn't "Lord", which is already pretty cool... Unhinged novels, unhinged art, and soon an unhinged prog rock album

[hard forge]

godfather was a book first? gone with the wind was a book?

[compact violet]

Bungie circa.1999

[undone wave]

Well....I guess I'm not surprised....they cannot keep making and selling ships...they gotta come up with something else to monetize...here we are - NOT saying its good btw

[compact violet]

Who wanna grift with me and make nft video games n delete them after 2 weeks

[shell meadow]

That's what I'm saying, they dont do any writing in hollywood, they just buy someone elses writing. Then they hire 10-20 person teams to translate that writing into a show/movie sometimes poorly.

[viscid spear]

When the Big One hits LA, let's hope Hollywood goes with it

[hard forge]

there are thousands of great scripts written every year that never get past a secretary, per a guy i know who was that secretary. they don't WANT good writing because producers want the dumbest guy on earth not to be alienated by their product

[undone wave]

Its crazy how Star Citizen is so much further along than it ever planned to be, yet nowhere close to "ready for release" to a mainstream audience

Another 10 years, trust

[shell meadow]

The lowest common denominator is really killing hollywood too dont get me wrong.

[hard forge]

the only people who will suffer are the very talented waiters

[viscid spear]

If I ever get to pitch one of my stories it'll probably go a bit like this:

"I made this. I spent lots of time on this. You don't understand it, and it's not quite anything you've seen before. Give me funds or I walk"

[undone wave]

Why do you guys want Robert Downey Jr to die? 🙃

[shell meadow]

He'll fly away in his ironman suit

[undone wave]

😌

[viscid spear]

No, let him do whatever he wants... Except veganism... That kinda ruined him for a bit

[hard forge]

that and the drugs

[shell meadow]

probably more the drugs

just a guess

[viscid spear]

The drugs came way before veganism... And it's not so much the drugs, but rather the quantity of the drugs

[shell meadow]

That's still...the drugs effecting him

[hard forge]

weird hair to split but ok

[undone wave]

Speaking of drugs, anyone here trust Nu Caloric?

[viscid spear]

I just have nothing against drugs

[compact violet]

I don't trust no one besides traxus

[undone wave]

uh-huh

What did Traxus ever do for you?

[hard forge]

The only one who's got answers rather than problems

(Subscribe to have your monthly dose of answers delivered right to your workspace)

[compact violet]

That reminds me when ppl used to roleplay in these chats

[viscid spear]

20 bucks says they're making food out of people

[hard forge]

Hey I never stopped, I'm roleplaying someone people might tolerate

[hard forge]

How do you think they feed the ticks

[shell meadow]

I only support SekGen, let the worms give me a new body, I'll gladly trade my conciousness for it, It wasnt worth shit to begin with

[viscid spear]

Regardless of whatever community I'm in, it always leads me back to the same character...

[undone wave]

Bet

[compact violet]

I miss being a overworked traxus worker 😞

[undone wave]

You're not even rolled up

[shell meadow]

Roles are for corpo dogs, choom

[hard forge]

You! I wanna take you to a worm bar

[viscid spear]

Who's essentially just 3 different versions of Raul Duke in a trenchcoat

[viscid spear]

They have bars?

[shell meadow]

A worm walks into the bar. The Bartender says "You just gonna sit their and silk all night?"

[viscid spear]

That's... Pretty good

I have a good joke, a little raunchy, but it's funny

[shell meadow]

Just dont let Butane see it

[viscid spear]

Ok, so similar set-up... There's a bar... Except it's 3 guys at the bar

First man says: "Hey, can I get a Rum and Coke?"

The bartender offers him an apple instead

The first man argues with him a bit, but eventually tries the apple...

"Hey, this tastes just like rum!" He says

Bartender tells him to turn it around, try eating the other side

"Oh my god, that tastes just like Coke!"

The second guy catches interest, he asks for a wine and tonic

Same thing happens, he bites into one side, wine. Other side, tonic

The third guy, he's impressed, he says "Wow, you got an apple for just about anything, don't you?"

Bartender says that whatever the man wants, the apple will provide

The third man jokingly asks for an apple that tastes like a woman
The bartender hands him an apple...

Third man takes a bite, spits it out, he goes "Hey! This tastes like shit!"

The bartender simply smiles patiently and says... "Turn it around"

[shell meadow]

longest dad joke

[viscid spear]

But it was worth it

[crimson mirage]

Was it?

[undone wave]

5/10

the payoff was visible a mile away

[viscid spear]

50% is 50%

[undone wave]

50% is 50% is 25%

[shell meadow]

ill give you some wind leaving my nose

[undone wave]

That's a snort

[viscid spear]

I'll take it

[shell meadow]

its a snortle

[viscid spear]

Oh shit, I took his breathing

[shell meadow]

snort chuckle

[undone wave]

Grandpa joke

[viscid spear]

The fuck you say about my grandpa?

[undone wave]

that he's a joke, like a clown, he amuses me

[viscid spear]

My grandfather was a decorated medic in Vietnam

[undone wave]

On which side?

[viscid spear]

US

[undone wave]

No not your side, which side of the conflict

👉 👉

[viscid spear]

U.S! United States

[undone wave]

man can't tell he's been joked

[viscid spear]

...fuck

[shell meadow]

my favorite part of the Vietnam war was the entire thing casually hiding France completely losing their Vietnam war just before

[undone wave]

literally finished beating up one guy then took on the next

[shell meadow]

pretty much

though France's conflict was much smaller and they invested much much less

[hard forge]

there's a great old political cartoon from post ww2 I have trouble finding that's just a gi looking into a jungle with the text like "what difference would an american mistake make?"

[undone wave]

I want a Bahn Mi now, fuck

[shell meadow]

bahn Mi is fucking fire

[undone wave]

or a Pad Se Ew

I HUNGER

[lone dune]

some phô would be awesome

[undone wave]

BAHN MI WILL MAKE ME GOOD

[stone junco]

ohhhh they stole artwork

[undone wave]

here we go again

Aight, I'mma pass the torch to the next bunch. Enjoy the discourse. laters

[shell meadow]

not much to say, its the same convo over and over again. Bungie made their statement and reached out to Antireal, they did do it. Everyone involved fully understands what happened. Now if you want to argue about nonsense that only people not involved believe gen chat is your go to

[steep solstice]

what is this for then

[kind dome]

we fuckin or what gang

[stone junco]

he steallliinggggg

[shell meadow]

its for new noise

[compact violet]

u heard what kelp said answer

[undone wave]

new noise

[hard forge]

i learned it from watching you!

[steep solstice]

got it 👍

[oblique dome]

@molten plume update: bought plantains and made some for breakfast

[molten plume]

Amazing. What kind?

[oblique dome]

not spicy sadly

[molten plume]

Fried and salted / spiced or stew?

[oblique dome]

just fried in the cast iron and salted

[woeful prawn]

I've never had plantains. What are they like? They look similar to bananas but taste different, right?

[molten plume]

I love my cast iron

[oblique dome]

same I use it for everything

[molten plume]

They’re not very sweet at all, but they have a similar texture. The most common way to eat them is fried and salted, at which point they taste like a VERY crunchy, earthy, and well-balanced potato chip

[clear pier]

heya

[woeful prawn]

Dang that does sound good

[supple sorrel]

oy

[tight sable]

plaintain chips are pretty oily and lightly banana sweet those things slap

[halcyon crow]

platanos

[molten plume]

I got it initially to cook for my mom because she has iron deficiency but I ended up really liking it. The maintenance isn’t as bad as people say, you baby it for a month or so and it’s fine for years after

[raw scarab]

open beta ? any announcement on that ?

[molten plume]

It weighs more than me but I have a gas stove and it heats up very quickly and evenly

[oblique dome]

gas ❤️ 🔥

[halcyon crow]

we might actually be in the worst timeline

[open bough]

Bungie loves stealing from other creators

[molten plume]

It still makes me nervous though. I bought a fire extinguisher and keep it close by. Feel like I’m rolling a wild magic die every time I turn it on

[placid storm]

i think we’re in the right timeline. so many bangers this year

[oblique dome]

might?

[compact violet]

It's the worst timeline because dark souls fans exist

[halcyon crow]

the alternative being global nuclear winter.

[steep solstice]

surely thats on the horizon

[compact violet]

Is it also a forbidden west tim

[halcyon crow]

i picked a wonderful year to quit smoking/vaping

[cursive oriole]

i hate how i got this joke
im so cooked

[steep solstice]

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

[cursive oriole]

i dont even like the horizon series

[placid storm]

that is also true. souls fans on the internet make me regret loving the games sometimes

[halcyon crow]

@compact violet what kind of destiny enjoyer are you. i had to get edumacated by some gen-chat rando

[orchid edge]

It's so over for Marathon pack it up y'all

[compact violet]

I couldn't find the image they sent

[oblique dome]

alright that's enough gen chat for today

[cursive oriole]

unless they announce a proper delay

[orchid edge]

Bobaeblack left the server LMFAO

[cursive oriole]

4-5 months at least 😭

[steep solstice]

did they

[compact violet]

@halcyon crow no

[orchid edge]

Not enough needs around a year

[oblique dome]

@halcyon crow get back here

[orchid edge]

OH THEY HAVE ME BLOCKED LMFAOO

[steep solstice]

lmfao

[ornate plank]

damn

[orchid edge]

Don't worry bobaeblack they'll always remember you as Marathon's greatest defender

[snow jolt]

Who had ☕ today?

[oblique dome]

man it's so scuffed that the cool woke chat with normal people in it is the one we can't post media in

[halcyon crow]

sorry was looking for a steam game to buy and drown my sorrows

apparently they're doing enhanced editions of the old stalker games???

[compact violet]

Don't trust them new noises r goon demons

[oblique dome]

anomaly 2 gonna be fire asf

[cursive oriole]

kid named Doom the Dark Ages

[steep solstice]

I'm craving chocolate today. what should I get chat

[orchid edge]

Chocolate

[cursive oriole]

milk
dark chocolate
make hot chocolate

[steep solstice]

that is an excellent idea

[oblique dome]

i always buy those Ghiradelli dark chocolate bars that come in different flavors

[compact violet]

Make it

[steep solstice]

make me

[ornate plank]

had some before going to sleep

[cursive oriole]

pls use ethically sourced cocoa beans thnx

[compact violet]

well, uh, okay, first I get a apple...then a pen...uhhhh, tim apple pennnn...

[halcyon crow]

gonna wait for a steam sale at the very least. full priced games.... IN THIS ECONOMY?

CHOCOLATE COVERED APPLE TIM

[steep solstice]

😮‍💨 gimme the list 🫴

[opal whale]

i ride or die with marathon no matter what

[steep solstice]

omg yummy

[halcyon crow]

GREEN APPLE CAUSE I THINK THE TARTNESS GOES WELL WITH THE CHOCOLAT

[steep solstice]

you are so refined

[opal whale]

don't let one bad seed ruin it for all. ❤️

[compact violet]

Thanks Nick Giovanni

[halcyon crow]

You're the refined non-american Tim. I'm just a yearner.

[halcyon crow]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYTH

[cursive oriole]

on god

[oblique dome]

this but also im the opposite of ride or die for arc raiders. im a professional hater for that game. it does not matter how bad marathon flops i will never play arc raiders. im fucking committed im locked in im getting it twisted

[compact violet]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBAEBLACK

[cursive oriole]

elaborate
dw im just curious LMAO

[halcyon crow]

LMAO much hate

[oblique dome]

im being hyperbolic obviously but the game just doesn't interest me for a lot of reasons (art style and setting, third person, other stuff) so even if marathon does poorly, i'm not gonna switch teams to AR as a backup

ANOTHER 2500 HOURS TO HUNT SHOWDOWN

[compact violet]

Who super Ireland me

[dapper thorn]

I LOVE ARC RAIDERS

[halcyon crow]

just took a glance at clair obscur, why must we do these motion sickness inducing camera angles and switches.

call me a boomer give me my zoomed out view

[compact violet]

Hello A boomer give me my zoomed out view

[dapper thorn]

SHE RAIDS MY ARC UNTIL I EXTRACT

[molten plume]

This reminds me of the airplane running joke https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lm8fYf53SMg&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

But, keep it up! Sobriety is the best gift you can give yourself

[steep solstice]

You don't need to smoke. You don't need to drink. But both feel good when you do it.

Such is life.

[undone wave]

Such is life.

[halcyon crow]

much is wife.

dutch is strife

clutch is drive

[molten plume]

Cloud is strife

[halcyon crow]

tifa is wife

[formal drum]

Elementtj21 is life

Compansation when?

[radiant mesa]

unfortunately I'm a lightweight in both categories

family genetics babyyyy

[midnight citrus]

Skill issue fr

[light scroll]

drink drink drink drink

[radiant mesa]

smh, just means i save money

[mystic portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328415939418652693/1372694582499737690/whenthathits.gif

[tall moss]

Me rn

[compact violet]

Xbox sent me a email telling me to play avowed again 😭

[cursive oriole]

have you guys seen the news?

[compact violet]

What news

[cursive oriole]

looks like Marathon's marketing campaign for the summer got totally scrapped and they're hunkering down

[compact violet]

This tweet
?
https://x.com/TauCetiGG/status/1923777224249049336

[cursive oriole]

yeah

[compact violet]

Tbh as expected honestly

[cursive oriole]

which is good
any sort of PR move would result in backlash regardless of what it is

[steep solstice]

theres been another one https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/05/17/new-marathon-info-bungie-morale-launch-worries-and-changing-plans/

[ornate plank]

delay to be expected then?

[steep solstice]

very likely

they're on damage control

[cursive oriole]

you know what?
im getting intense flashbacks to the No Man's Sky public meltdown back in 2017 when it first launched

[compact violet]

Which means it'll get fixed and become a goated game and be on game pass 🔥🔥❓🔥❓🔥❓🔥❓🔥🔥❓❓🔥🔥❓🔥❓🔥❓🔥❓🔥❓🔥

[cursive oriole]

no
but i just hope bungie hunkers down, rethinks priorities, look at the bigger picture, and then get to work without causing any more other controversies hopefully

can't draw a box by just facing it head on, gotta look at other perspectives, y'know?

[compact violet]

Bungie needs better leadership skills on this kinda stuff this shit can't be happening 4 times 💔

[oblique dome]

A second Paul Tassi article has hit the Marathon community

[oblique dome]

real shit though what does this actually mean? what does it mean to "convert a closed beta to a roadmap of public tests?" how many public tests can you do in less than two months before launch?

[keen oxide]

it needs a huge delay

[steep solstice]

Morale is in “free-fall” across all departments, and “the vibes have never been worse.” Everyone has the same concerns about what happens to Bungie as a studio if Marathon bombs, which is something they absolutely cannot afford.

😬

[oblique dome]

At this point I agree and that tweet only really makes sense in the context of a delay, but apparently a delay is NOT on the table according to Tassi

[slender sandal]

yall have fun, im leaving the server because i heard about the art thieves being back at it again

[steep solstice]

c ya

[keen oxide]

tbh i might too

[steep solstice]

I wanna see how this pan out tbh so I might stick around for a bit

[keen oxide]

i didnt push to praise this game for so long only to be let down like this,

[neon fog]

people gonna forget in a week

[steep solstice]

dw I'll remind everybody 😈

[arctic wolf]

they will most likely just try pay theyre way out yet again. and we will hear about another art theft in a few months or a year again.

[neon fog]

yay

[spiral bay]

There's still other problems related to the alpha, like all the things they're apparently still brainstorming. In that regard, I'll also be seeing how this pans out

[neon fog]

thats just a PR answer they dont want to raise people's hopes

cuz they will come around and hate again like they are now

[keen oxide]

the game is enjoyable at least (me coping)

[steep solstice]

a thing can be many things at the same time

[spiral bay]

Possible, but it still doesn't look good. I did enjoy enough of my time with the alpha and I'm hoping they can work this stuff out though

[neon fog]

imo the game not fun to watch but is fun to play

[steep solstice]

extraction shooters are never fun to watch tbf

[keen oxide]

i can kinda understaand that, hunt is fun to watch sometimes

[neon fog]

yeah true

[neon fog]

mhm sometimes it is like moment or fights, even arc i think fights and nightime was fun to see

[compact violet]

just like rust aswell

[steep solstice]

are there nvgs in arc raiders

[neon fog]

i agree

[keen oxide]

idk if rust is an extraction shooter

[steep solstice]

some games are meant to be played

[compact violet]

no it's not but I'm saying it's boring asf to watch

[halcyon crow]

i love articles about articles...

[spiral bay]

No nvg afaik, there were binoculars. Maybe a part of progression we didn't see included I'm assuming you mean night vision goggles?

[keen oxide]

i enjoy vids of people doing cool raids and stuff but it gets boring after a bit

[steep solstice]

night vision yeah. cause of the dark maps

they weren't that dark tbf

[neon fog]

i wonder how ship map plays

[compact violet]

like a ship

[keen oxide]

lol

[spiral bay]

I noticed some areas indoors were really dark but yeah, and you have a flashlight. If there are nvgs arc raiders didn't give us the option to get them, so probably nah

[neon fog]

can i fly it?

[steep solstice]

@hot narwhal come back. I was just being cheeky

[compact violet]

Do you have an archwing to board it

[neon fog]

no

[steep solstice]

fair

[halcyon crow]

wait niche internet microcelebrity was here?

[compact violet]

I'm surprised Kat didn't leave especially how this server been ❓🥀

[halcyon crow]

sadge, i miss the other new-noisers

[compact violet]

life and empl*yment havers 🙄🙄🙄

[halcyon crow]

i have all this hyperfixation, love and money to pour into something and no game to give it to.

[neon fog]

i miss old

[arctic wolf]

life

[steep solstice]

Kat was here earlier yes and I might have been a nuisance and called her 'mommy' at a particular point. I wasn't gooning or whatever you youngsters say these days. However, she wasn't very impressed before she left

[hollow swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/tysin-punchout-gif-13060230

[halcyon crow]

tim how could you drive away katlissa like that

[neon fog]

rizz

[neat bramble]

embed fail, everyone point and laugh

[hollow swallow]

Bungle stole my bike

[compact violet]

Why did you say that 😭

[neon fog]

bro listend to his thoughts

[steep solstice]

I was very embarrassed about the whole thing I admit and profusely apologised to Kat but she was already annoyed at another individual. However, I was the catalyst for her leaving I think

[ornate plank]

she was already ticked off by then Tim apple

[steep solstice]

thank you brandon

[snow jolt]

I self-muted myself again by accident by writing
da
fu
q
But all on one line. 😔

[neat bramble]

rip

[neon fog]

is weird i think like 4 extraction games releasing around same time

[snow jolt]

Everyone, join me in listening to this great Charli xcx set: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKPBq_j4buQ

[steep solstice]

bumpin that

[compact violet]

I'm so core rn

[ornate plank]

remember when ppl would say that the genre is over saturated? seems like it only applied to marathon

idk I found that funny

[halcyon crow]

We just - we just couldn't prove it. They - they covered their tracks, they got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They've done worse. That video! Are you telling me that a runner just happens to die like that? No! They orchestrated it! Bungie! They defecated through a sunroof! And we saved them! And we shouldn't have. we took them into our own home! What were we thinking? They'll never change. They'll never change! Ever since I was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep their hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Bungie! Couldn't be precious Bungie! Stealing us blind! And they get to be gamers!? What a sick joke! We should've stopped them when we had the chance! And you - you have to stop him!

[neon fog]

ye lol

[snow jolt]

Apple, did you end up getting that book? I sent you that talk on one about the rich people's paranoid fantasies about the apocalypse.

[marble laurel]

@prime glen Can I get a code for playstation?

[steep solstice]

Not yet. It's still on my todo list. I did watch the talk though. Interesting stuff

[marble laurel]

Also, Do you like my little friend?

[neon fog]

i dont know what people wanted marathon to be like a pve? but bungie already has that genre

[neat bramble]

mods, kill him

[snow jolt]

Do people hang out in video chats these days and just have dance parties like we used to do in the 2010s?

[marble laurel]

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╰╰╰╯╯╯╰╰╰╯╯ ♥️999.999M

[ornate plank]

they wanted destiny 3 apparently

[neon fog]

ohh yeah true

[ornate plank]

that was a thing?

[snow jolt]

Yeah.

On Stickam especially I remember doing that.

[ornate plank]

damn not much of a dancer so i guess I didn’t miss out much

[snow jolt]

It's mainly about the music and having a little party with strangers.

That Charli xcx set got me chair dancing and I had flashbacks to the golden age.

[hot narwhal]

Are you dolts talking about me while I’m not here? For shame.

[halcyon crow]

hi katlissa long time no seee~

[hot narwhal]

Wow.

[neon fog]

dolts?

[arctic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

[snow jolt]

In new noise we visualize the gif based on the url.

[harsh lake]

dang you really showed him 🥀

[compact violet]

This is so tuff 💔💔💔

[hot narwhal]

Yes?

[neon fog]

idk what that means

[halcyon crow]

are you back cause of the controversy?

[wooden prism]

Lmao

[hot narwhal]

Ah, yes. The Homer Simpson Hide In Shrubs Hiding In Bushes Disappear Into Hedges Embarrassed GIF, 24183287.

[neon fog]

dolt
/dōlt/
noun
plural noun: dolts
a stupid person

[steep solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/matric-matrix-i-dont-see-the-code-gif-8390287

[arctic wolf]

its perfect. better without the gif

[hot narwhal]

You have access to the entire internet. Find out yourself.

[steep solstice]

matric

[halcyon crow]

katlissa hates me

[neon fog]

are u always on edge?

[terse onyx]

Kat hates everyone. Because Kat

[snow jolt]

Marathon general is still in the Matrix.

[wooden prism]

Replace dolt with dumpling, discombobulates a mf, then call them a full diaper baby, utter destruction. Works every time

[hot narwhal]

Yes and no. I’m mostly back to see what you freaks are up to. But, yes, the controversy did remind me of this chat.

[halcyon crow]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-kat-hello-cat-gif-21606843

[opal whale]

plagiarism will make me god

[hot narwhal]

Wow! Good job!

[wooden prism]

I’m surprised it’s so unregulated

[compact violet]

Idk why would you return 🥀💔

[opal whale]

plagiarism will make me DOA

[ornate plank]

[hot narwhal]

LMAOO

[snow jolt]

That's the machines' system of control.

[neon fog]

thanks

[wooden prism]

The effing machine, brother

[opal whale]

thank you Kat

[wooden prism]

Honestly I think they just don’t care

[neon fog]

kat why u typing for so long

[hot narwhal]

Oh, I’m fine. I’m just not explaining what common words mean to anybody.

[neon fog]

dolt is not a common word

[hot narwhal]

Figuring out how to say what I need to say to you without “being mean.”

[hot narwhal]

Book ignorer, over here. Wow!

[halcyon crow]

most of the regulars went to an unofficial new-noise server if you are inchrested ~

[hot narwhal]

I’m regretting it more and more with each passing nanosecond.

[neon fog]

book ignorer?

mb auto correct

[hot narwhal]

What’s with the tilde? And, no.

[wooden prism]

I cannot imagine being Joe Cross right now, must be a rough ride

[halcyon crow]

~ i t ' s ~ z e s t y~

[hot narwhal]

Okay man.

[arctic wolf]

🤔

[wooden prism]

I feel bad for the guy

[hot narwhal]

???

[steep solstice]

Joe ✝️

[hot narwhal]

I can’t imagine being antireal right now. That’s a much tougher ride.

[halcyon crow]

man i wish we had embed insert wacky inflatible arm tube gif

[arctic wolf]

for reals

[ornate plank]

would be cool

[neon fog]

i hope they do right by her they said they could work with her

[wooden prism]

That too but the homies getting a payout. Still sucks but at least the case got out to the public

[steep solstice]

I'm just glad people are donating to her kofi

[hot narwhal]

They better.

[arctic wolf]

The support on the ko-fi is good. But really should be paid very well by bungie for this-

[steep solstice]

Of course

[wooden prism]

I don’t think they have a choice, they’re far past fucked in court. She’s gonna get her due

Maybe a job a Bungie, I hope so. Put her to work on destiny

[steep solstice]

Bungie: will you settle for a million bux 💰
Me: yes pls 🫴

[midnight citrus]

I’m so glad we don’t have embed

[wooden prism]

Her art on edge of fate would be so good

[neon fog]

i dont think they would hire her per say

[flint bone]

AAAAAA I LOVE SHAWARMAAAA

[halcyon crow]

feels like a trillion bux

[arctic wolf]

Ofcourse, but you never know with this greed on how little they will try pay them. in alot of these cases the artists get offerd very little.

[flint bone]

GOOD

[wooden prism]

Ten thousand chucky cheese tokens and a spot on the art team

[steep solstice]

Joe ✝️ actually mentioned hiring as a possible solution. I personally wouldn't want that though

[hot narwhal]

What payout? Did that happen? I don’t see anything about that.

[midnight citrus]

Didn’t Chucky cheese shut down?

[flint bone]

I will give her a bazillion worms

[high solstice]

At this point the marathon devs should make their own company or something

[neon fog]

oh i thought they hinted at working with her like not a bungie worker but more like 3rd person contract

[halcyon crow]

we'll until antireal posts sumting we got nothing

[wooden prism]

It’s an ongoing process but it’s between them losing in court and settling out of court. Not much choice

[steep solstice]

1 trillion bux=1000 vbux 😔

[steep solstice]

that might be more accurate yes. still a hire though

[wooden prism]

I dunno, ten gazillion Zimbabwe fun bucks then

[neon fog]

they paying her in robux coins

[light scroll]

kat jumpscare

[flint bone]

I hope she gets her due. This is just such a shitty mess up on bungie's part

[light scroll]

mess up is a strange word to use when this was 400% intentional

[blazing nebula]

Stellar blade

[untold sun]

plagiarism will make me god
fuck bungie

[hot narwhal]

Or, they make all instances legally distinct, and sweep it under the rug.

[light scroll]

you dont just steal that much shit without knowing about it

[flint bone]

Honestly yeah it's just straight up scummy

[neon fog]

yeah esp when so much hate on game

[wooden prism]

It’s honestly unbelievable for me, I don’t know how this got past the team. Nobody noticed her fuckin name on an art panel?

[light scroll]

because more than 1 person def knew ab it

[hot narwhal]

BOO!

[light scroll]

hi kat ^w^ i missed u oomfie

[humble umbra]

[hot narwhal]

Hello.

[shadow shuttle]

Kat is not real

[wooden prism]

They tried and it got thrown out, they have no avenue for escape on the plagiarism case

[halcyon crow]

meowathon

[steep solstice]

Joe Cross said 100 artists worked on this for years. Surely SOME would have noticed the copy paste. Smells fishy tbh

[hot narwhal]

True.

[humble umbra]

meowathon

[high solstice]

How many layoffs y’all think this situation is gonna cause?

[halcyon crow]

wow da new-noise gorlies are back. nature is healing

[hot narwhal]

Good.

[light scroll]

the majority probably didnt know but i refuse to believe joe cross didnt know about it to some degree

[wooden prism]

Potentially the studio

[flint bone]

I was trying to be positive about marathon despite all the hate and it honestly broke my heart that the one thing I adored about this game had so much of it's art just straight up stolen. Honestly was the last straw for me

[compact violet]

May I reserve my Lobotomy schedule

[ornate plank]

Yes

[neon fog]

he looks like he dont sleep i would not be surprised if it went under his radar

[flint bone]

I couldn't care less about this game now. I'm just hanging out here bc you guys are kinda silly and fun

[high solstice]

Yeah, no delaying will defo so that

[hot narwhal]

I can lobotomize you. For a measly $29.99.

[light scroll]

if something does happen, the marathon team will prob be partly moved to destiny while the rest get axed, and bungie is converted into a destiny only studio by sony but still keeping the bungie name unlike 343

[wooden prism]

I feel you brother, it’s ground zero for Bungie. All I ask for is destinys survival

[humble umbra]

ill do it for free

[shell meadow]

I only take f2p lobotomies

[halcyon crow]

neeyth doesn't deserve that kindness

[light scroll]

this is assuming worst case scenario in terms of marathon market performance

[flint bone]

It's literally a sinking ship situation

[steep solstice]

omg huni is here. the gang is BACK

[humble umbra]

:3

[oblique dome]

chat I have returned from my time in the trenches of general chat with the charred corpses of many arc raiders salesmen and their spoils of war. prepare a feast for today our tribe is victorious

[shell meadow]

Now time for gang violence

[spice shell]

https://tenor.com/view/gangs-all-here-spongebob-lonely-friends-forever-alone-gif-9619934

[flint bone]

Please send me a free iPhone Tim cook

[wooden prism]

See I don’t think it will perform like concord, but I don’t believe it has longevity, which is required to make a profit

[high solstice]

Sounds like a possibility

[halcyon crow]

sorry i only eat NuCaloric Meat 178 tyvm

[humble umbra]

i really do wonder what will happen with marathon at this point 💀

[neon fog]

general is unbearable i think its AI with unlimited API calls

[high solstice]

Lowkey as much as IK arc is a good game, man those people are fucking annoying lmao

[halcyon crow]

meowathon pls stop misnaming the game

[kind dome]

@everyone hop on meowaton

[light scroll]

concord had awful marketing with nothing really distinct about it, marathon had the artstyle going for it.
emphasis on had

[shell meadow]

I dont think its possible for Marathon to be a Concord. Concord died because of indifference and people not caring, Marathon on the other side has been getting boat loads of attention negtive or otherwise

[neon fog]

it is releasing with 3 other extraction shooters im still optimistic

[humble umbra]

yes sir im sorry

[ornate plank]

[halcyon crow]

[humble umbra]

idk

[oblique dome]

this is a big deal i think

[wooden prism]

Right, they just have to hope that translates to a consistent player base and I doubt it will

[light scroll]

yeah if bungie doesnt navigate this controversy perfectly marathon is gonna have a big PR dampener by the time it releases. and i dont think its likely theyll navigate it perfectly

[shell meadow]

Remember what they say about bad publicity

[humble umbra]

i liked marathon for the art but, now i feel a little strange about even that 😭

[halcyon crow]

at least they can't take bingus & benjamin away from us.

[oblique dome]

concord had just a complete lack of anyone who gave a shit about it. marathon at least doesn't have that problem

[high solstice]

Let’s be real there no navigating it perfectly

[shell meadow]

There is tons of people who are dedicating themselves to Marathon JUST BECAUSE people don't like it. That's more than Concord could've ever dreamed of

[humble umbra]

i feel it will get worse before it gets any better

[halcyon crow]

hater are indeed gonna hate ✅

[compact violet]

neeyth coming through

[oblique dome]

depends on their standards for a consistent playerbase. Hunt has been doing great for years on like 15k daily average

[high solstice]

I’m guessing ur saying this about the reception, I’m not completly hating

[neon fog]

ye same but i mean i liked the aesthetic even cross said it was assets or logos that were minimal that they found it does not dissolve the game whole theme

[flint bone]

Dw the 20 dollar Glitch goth mommy skins will save the game 🤑🤑🤑🤑

[halcyon crow]

stop trying to be burger balls

[compact violet]

ur right I won't ever be burger balls

[wooden prism]

Falling apart at the seams brother, i can only begin to imagine what corporate Sony is doing to Bungie right now

[shadow shuttle]

What do you know about pig poop balls

[high solstice]

Plus they had a lot of artwork for this game before the controversy which showed a ton of original stuff

[arctic wolf]

Doubt daddy Sony would be happy with "low" numbers.

[oblique dome]

better keep them goony ass clown shoes on all of em otherwise i don't want it

[shell meadow]

It' really just depends if Sony is okay with that "small" consistent playerbase

[flint bone]

They're stinky

[kind dome]

TRUE

[halcyon crow]

heavy honking h og balls?

[neon fog]

mhm cross been doing this for 10+ years but alot are just discredting everything the game put out due to this

[light scroll]

they funded helldivers 2 and that game was not expected to have a large playerbase at all, it was aiming for a consistent but small playerbase

[hardy spindle]

yeah i think alot of people are going too far. not the entire style was stolen it was mostly some logo's n stuff. still bad but ye not the entire style

[wooden prism]

Very true, I don’t know how much money was sank into marathon but it must have been a lot. Probably equally requires “a lot” style player base

[light scroll]

what sony wants from marathon in terms of numbers is unknown

[kind dome]

@everyone hop on the Meowathon official minecraft server

[shell meadow]

Yeah but you cant put Helldivers and Bungie on the same scale, Sony paid billions for Bungie expecting them to make big live service games.

[wooden prism]

I mean

[neon fog]

yeah people always gonna reach tbf

[compact violet]

Halo reach?

[arctic wolf]

but they didnt buy helldivers devs for billiions in hopes of more success in live-services. they have spent many billions on liveservices now withouy success

[neon fog]

ur not real

[humble umbra]

true yea

[compact violet]

I never was

[wooden prism]

It’s functionally the entire style bro, the aesthetic as a whole is AntiReals in more than just brutalist art style

[flint bone]

Given the fact that male marathon players are pregnant and will soon produce more marathoners, this was a genius move on Sony's part

[neon fog]

you and @shell meadow

[compact violet]

Gotta send a get real gif for me to be real

[shell meadow]

I admitted to not being real

[wooden prism]

So true, you’re definitely on to something

[high solstice]

Alot of people are rage baiting and we’re praying on this games downfall, I think the only way forward is if Bungie shows all the artwork which was ripped from antireal, explain more in depth what the situation was that caused this, delay and fix other issues, and a Cherry on top is antireal saying she was properly paid out

[kind dome]

[light scroll]

delay likely isnt happening, during the layoffs a few months ago there were reports that bungie execs were pushing really hard for this date and i dont think they're gonna let it slip

[neon fog]

yeah they coming clean is a dub but i think delay is not possible

[ornate plank]

[oblique dome]

nahhh man antireal was clearly an influence but boiling it down like that is stripping out so much

[neon fog]

^like she said

[hardy spindle]

i dont agree with that

[neon fog]

guys the alpha was meant to come out in 2023

[oblique dome]

especially since you can look at Joe cross' work from a decade ago, he's been on this shit for a while

[high solstice]

Damn, this is gonna be something

[flint bone]

I'm gonna eat the bungie execs

[wooden prism]

Here me out @hardy spindle

[ornate plank]

plz do

[flint bone]

Nomnomnom

[shell meadow]

The game was restructured during developement

[high solstice]

It’s actually crazy how bad Bungie leadership is, they’re like comically evil

[kind dome]

@candid magnet we’re coming for you vro…

[neon fog]

^

[flint bone]

He's finished

[flint bone]

And comically incompetent 😭

[steep solstice]

Wait what has he let this happen before

[high solstice]

And they never face any bad thing

[neon fog]

thats kinda crazy to think they cooked too much and scraped it people are sayin it was a whole differnt gameplay

[ornate plank]

they have plot armor … unfortunately

[arctic wolf]

Isnt that same with every big studio/publisher :p

[flint bone]

Not until I show up on their doorstep wearing a bib

[ornate plank]

true

[wooden prism]

Her art style, the matted, motherboard looking design with the popping colors bleeds into every other aspect of the art style, the character design, the buildings, the guns. This is the reason Bungie has lost in court.

[oblique dome]

no (afaik) what I mean is he's been making his own art in this art style for a long time. antireal did not invent marathon's art style and Joe has been doing his own work in this vein for over a decade

[shell meadow]

I've said it before, but repeated art theft is a really telling sign about the working conditions at the studio. They're either not vetting employees properly or working conditions are so poor people are just ripping art to meet KPI's

[steep solstice]

Oh ok

[high solstice]

Yep, capitalism and share holders

[oblique dome]

probably the latter given what we know about the shape bungie is in

[neon fog]

the character design cross made

[wooden prism]

Absolutely I don’t disagree, there are similarities between their work, BUT the foundation is AntiReal is a way that’s undeniable, I honestly can’t even believe it made it that far

Genuinely astounded

[neon fog]

i think i saw somewhere that the working conditions are not the best and under pressure

[shell meadow]

that's what the rumblings have been yeah, regardless it's hard to maintain a positive work environment when people are being laid off

[oblique dome]

again her art style is clearly an influence but there's a limit. her art is almost all posters featuring abstract graphic designs. marathon is an FPS game with guns, buildings, props, etc and even if they had "stolen" the entire style, they needed to do a load of original work to translate that to concrete objects that were never represented in Antireal's portfolio

[neon fog]

yeah i feel i would be fearing for my job on top of preforming

[wooden prism]

The more I went back and looked at her work, the more it blew my mind

[arctic wolf]

Not really a dream job for the devs, With the incompetence of higher ups always put extreme pressure. and stock market praising lay offs etc. 🤷‍♀️

[flint bone]

Problem is the base geometric framework of the art style was preexisting, but anti real's style bleeds so much into the overall aesthetic it's really hard to separate atp

[shell meadow]

Christ lets not pull the stolen art style thing into new noise aswell.

[steep solstice]

It never left

[neon fog]

i left general cuz of it bruh

go back to general

[oblique dome]

nah it's ok to talk about, we're just capable of being civil

[shell meadow]

it was peaceful for a time

[steep solstice]

We are woke and based here and demand justice

[oblique dome]

gen chat is monkeys flinging shit at each other

[flint bone]

Gen chat is a literal nuclear wasteland

[arctic wolf]

Ssssh, trump will deport us for being woke

[shell meadow]

The whole art style thing is only being echoed by random people, Antireal never claimed art style theft, only DIRECT art theft. This was acknowledged by Bungie. That's about all there really is to the situation.

[ornate plank]

too late …

[wooden prism]

Maybe I’m seeing the game differently, I can see what you mean, 3D assets are independent from her and and it’s an established art style but I cannot unsee her work

[hardy spindle]

i think the foundation was honnestly mostly that y2k kinda style tbh. bc by chance i just got a vid come by from cocacola and their Y3000 can and it has the same type of style i have seen in anti's work. and i dont think the guns n buildings have that vibe. the textures maybe ye but thats also bc of possible other stuff being hidden there but the overall style of the buildings dont fit that imo it screams more modern arcitecture (looking at those white n black style mansions)

[neon fog]

its a weekend they got nothing better to do?

[light scroll]

mr apple when will we become toomfies(tim apple oomfies)

[ornate plank]

3000 cycles

[hardy spindle]

yeah this, she did say they had a simular design philosophy but not a 1:1 recreaton of her style

[steep solstice]

No one has really claimed Boogieman "stole" her entire design language but rather copy pasted some decals 1:1. That's the outrage and rightfully so.

[oblique dome]

oh some people (Lunatics and Criminals) are absolutely on that "they stole the whole art style" shit

[hardy spindle]

and then still style isnt smt u can really claim, its the same as saying oh i did anime first so no one can do anime

[wooden prism]

I described it in my mind like “prefabrication style”, like how a company would mass produce something to make it viable for everywhere. It could be the colors that really set my brain off, the shapes in her art are so blocky it just screams her design to me

But it’s not fair to say, lots of people worked on it, lots of other peoples work

[compact violet]

where's that horse when you're hungry amirite

[oblique dome]

that's fair but think of it like this, you could look at her work and then look at the stuff Designer's Republic did decades ago and say the same thing in reverse

[frozen prairie]

I feel quite bad for the dev team, for every dev that didnt know about this it must come as a big schock, been putting your work and passion in every day for the last few years on this project, and now this happens. I hope that they are all doing ok.

[hardy spindle]

yeah but id ask you to look at modern building design it tends to be very blocky and high contrast or the counter oposite very rounded and colourfull @wooden prism

[neon fog]

come here @sour spear

is peaceful

[snow jolt]

For anyone who wants to learn about their art influences:

Read this: https://thegamepost.com/marathon-art-style-mirrors-edge-ghost-in-the-shell/

Optionally listen to this (long and rambling) interview with art director: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0KL4o1M6rg

[steep solstice]

You're allowed to be inspired. You're not allowed to take somebodys copyrighted work however. Simple as that.

[sour spear]

Hiiii

[wooden prism]

Right right right

[oblique dome]

correct

[halcyon crow]

you got a favorite fruit tim?

[neon fog]

general is a hazard rn dont go

[arctic wolf]

yea reminded me fair bit of mirrors edge at first xD

[kind dome]

android

[steep solstice]

Mango.

[oblique dome]

can you say a bit more

[halcyon crow]

that warning can't stop me caust I can't read

[snow jolt]

Digital Charli xcx concert in Marathon when? They already have brat green.

[kind dome]

my mango

[ornate plank]

🐐

[shell meadow]

yeah, your right that's fine. Her other beef was people using her art for mood boards that then get further built out into a style, and that she doesnt get paid for "mood boards"

The law at the end of the day allows you to copy someones style, just not their artistic work or art. People will argue endlessly what they believe copying art style is which that i find mentally draining cause it just goes in circles.

[oblique dome]

when is it not

[sour spear]

So I was referring to you stopping the Bungie trolling, not playing Arc Raiders, although I'm curious what games you play if you were in this discord in the first place

[flint bone]

WTF IS GOING ON IN GEN CHAT RN 💀

I SAW PREGNANT MIKE WAZOWSKI

[arctic wolf]

i hide from general chat

[compact violet]

I saw pregnant sans ok cool!

[ornate plank]

There was a lot of that type of stuff yesterday

[sour spear]

Neeyth

[halcyon crow]

timmango just rolls off the tongue

[neon fog]

ooo i play val im not usually on discord only recently cuz for updates on the game did not expect it like this tbh

i cant troll i love bungie 🙂

[compact violet]

Avatarsik

[oblique dome]

oh no someone said they missed day 1 mpreg spam and now they're getting it 💀

[wooden prism]

I think the courts decisions were made when they found her fuckin name in the game designs. Still blows my mind nobody thought to air brush that out

[snow jolt]

They probably didn't intend to steal someone's art.

[arctic wolf]

it will never go to court.

[shell meadow]

yeah that for sure is just blatant theft, noone is arguing that.

[halcyon crow]

it's in the court of public opinion right meow

[spring totem]

thats the problem @wooden prism nobody in managment ever "thinks"

[sour spear]

Ohhh, I see, I mean not blaming you + you are cool

[flint bone]

Can't even steal competently 😭

[neon fog]

he is arguing the "style"... i think

[arctic wolf]

public opinion dont give you settlement money.

[oblique dome]

it's in the court 🏀 rn alright

[hardy spindle]

yee id say actually copying or tracing is the actual issue imo. copying a way an artstyle/artist work isnt. i mean ive done art for a while (completely different from marathon stuff) but ive always had this habit of learning from other artist and thats also smt thats echoed by popular artists, your style evolves from the people who inspire you

[oblique dome]

whose dunk is better joe cross or antireal

[neon fog]

yeh i dont play val as well honestly this game was the only thing im antipcating + ur cooler ❤️

[wooden prism]

Like brother, somebody on that team had to think “ Hmm, @antireal, wonder what that means.”

[spring totem]

bungie stole. bungie has the man power. bungie has the money. bungie has an audience. bungie has one of the most solid fps engines in the game. bungie has some of the most talented artists (drama aside).

[hardy spindle]

yee i dont get how that went past xD

[wooden prism]

I think most definitely didn’t, they just did their job

[spring totem]

ANd they still couldnt make marathon proper

[sour spear]

Doesn't matter, probs some watermark we forgot to remove from stock images

[shell meadow]

Yeah, copying styles is inherently good and it can move art forward. Even if you copy someones art a little of you will still shine through into that new style. Humanity builds upon itself. Now there is definitely issues where people can use copying styles maliciously which is a whole can of worms

[sour spear]

Ilysm

[steep solstice]

antireal could totally sue btw. remember that the alpha was streamed for hundreds of thousands of people maybe millions. basically free eyes for bungie to buy their new game. she could get a cut of that free publicity 👍

[snow meteor]

Interestingly, you can look up who "the designer republic" helped produce the art for WipeOut, an old PlayStation game, whose art looks a lot like Marathon

[neon fog]

Lu2
Apparently there is a seceret server to this

[hardy spindle]

i will say the thing being echoed rn abt the fact joe and others followed them doesnt sit right w me. i mean i follow alot of artists bc i liked their styles but i dont know every peice of their art xD its kinda like saying ohh u like eminem? name all songs

[sour spear]

Secret server? What do you mean?

[arctic wolf]

But its expensive as hell. that she cant afford. even if she is guaranteed win. its still ALOT of money upfront to fight sony.

[neon fog]

people will say/use anything and speculate

[flint bone]

The mpreg maternity ward

[spring totem]

im not a game studio. I couldve told you to not abandon the thing that keeps your lights on for a project that alienates your community and a project with ZERO hook.

[hardy spindle]

true

[snow meteor]

No

[neon fog]

idrk

[steep solstice]

Joe admitted to it being part of the visual mood board for the game. meaning he should have spotted similarities. or he's just bad at his job

[wooden prism]

I’d bet money on a settlement out of court.

[arctic wolf]

Yupp, will be handled out of court.

shush money and permission

[steep solstice]

a settlement will be the most likely outcome yes

[snow jolt]

In that longer interview that I linked to they talk about a method of making artwork which involves grabbing multiple images and kind of mashing them up together, then repeatedly editing them until those original images no longer are in the final thing. So, maybe something like this happened?

[oblique dome]

joe literally already said "we reached out to her to talk about this", assuming they don't act like dickheads there's 0 chance this goes to court anyway

[sour spear]

It's been fun talking to ya again, but I gotta go to bed now, sleeeeepy, have fun!

[wooden prism]

It’s definitely a contributing factor, mostly it means they didn’t find it at random and it’s much harder to claim it was accidental

[light scroll]

she already said she doesnt have the funds to sue unfortunately

[shell meadow]

I'm not sure how the case would go because it was the alpha state and not sold for cash. I dont know what restrictions she puts her artwork as under CC license but because it wasnt sold damages might be considered even less therefore it would be an even more fruitless lawsuit

[hardy spindle]

yeah i just dont really see the issue in moodboarding(aslong as it stays with moodboarding n not copy pasting )

[snow meteor]

It is a strategy for public opinion, legally, much inspired by older works.

[steep solstice]

kitbashing is very common yes. that might have happened yes

[snow jolt]

Thank you. I don't know any of these terms.

[snow meteor]

Once again, looked at the works of the designer republic and Wipout

[shell meadow]

Problem is you buy kits to kitbash

[wooden prism]

A lawyer took her case because it’s a slam dunk, my man

[neon fog]

have good dreams

[wooden prism]

Bungie lost before it made it to appeals

[hardy spindle]

i do wanna know where u got the info from?

[kind dome]

i hope you have a nightmare and shit the bed

[neon fog]

wow

[snow jolt]

Mr. Apple, how does this make you feel? https://youtu.be/QDFosFi2NbU

[sour spear]

I love you too!

[kind dome]

[light scroll]

didnt see that, any source for her accepting?

[oblique dome]

STRONG aura

[steep solstice]

the free publicity from big streamers even during free alpha is indirect money to bungie in the future

that would totally hold up in court

[wooden prism]

AV club

[sour spear]

Truly frightening! One to take seriously

[neon fog]

trust me bro

[shell meadow]

Im not sure how you would define that damages-wise

[hot narwhal]

Jack has been kind of spewing sourceless information.

[steep solstice]

watching

[light scroll]

very unique in new noise

[neon fog]

@hot narwhal im gonna read a book

[hot narwhal]

Grain of salt, everyone.

[sour spear]

What book are you reading?

[compact violet]

ain't you supposed to be asleep

[hot narwhal]

Great job. I’m very proud of you.

[steep solstice]

This warms my heart 😌

[light scroll]

what if i want more salt due to my sodium deficiency

[sour spear]

A few more minutes mum!

[neon fog]

@sour spear shouldnt you be sleeping

[sour spear]

[wooden prism]

Yeah I can’t find the lawyer taking her case

[neon fog]

why u say iut like that

[hot narwhal]

Two grains. Maybe even three. Four if you’re feeling extra spicy.

[arctic wolf]

I can send you some very salty liquorice

[flint bone]

Go to bed or else you'll turn into bingus

[light scroll]

so generous kat

[sour spear]

Meow?

[compact violet]

ew liquorice

[hot narwhal]

I’ll let you figure that one out. Let’s get that neuron firing.

[oblique dome]

licorice so good

[steep solstice]

liquorice is bad for you

[flint bone]

But I like liquor rice

[light scroll]

you know what isnt bad tho? sophie.

[neon fog]

neuron?

[compact violet]

if you like liquorice are u even my twin

[hot narwhal]

You cannot be serious.

[neon fog]

im joking lmao

[shell meadow]

We're a relatively unserious bunch

[flint bone]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-tussiniiduk32-gif-27701794

[hot narwhal]

Thank God.

[hardy spindle]

yeah same. i cant find anything abt it. only her saying she felt happy it got adressed publicly and that she wasnt gonna be able to go up against bungie legally

[arctic wolf]

we swedes eat alot of liquorice

[wooden prism]

The “internal investigation” would have to be finished before any other legal step could happen. To be a fly on the wall for that investigation

[compact violet]

what about swedish fish and Ikea meatballs

[sour spear]

I've never tried it, what does it taste like?