📚marathon-lore-discussion

[dreamy hawk]

Not only looks cool but is symbolic to Durandal. But yeah.

Other than the cooking to death. It’s chill.

[forest gate]

We should all move to Enceladus

It’ll probably be a bit more hospitable

Or we could strap on some massive boosters and move the whole earth.

Have the earth orbit Jupiter

[stiff hearth]

there is a book and movie about that

The Wandering Earth

[forest gate]

Hmmm, I feel like this was a Chinese language film on Netflix

[stiff hearth]

it is a chinese movie adapted from a chinese short story

[forest gate]

Cool

[stiff hearth]

the short story was by Liu Cixin

same author as Three Body Problem

[forest gate]

I thought so

[stiff hearth]

Who just got hired to help with the next storyline in the gatcha game wuthering waves. a lil interested to see what he does

[forest gate]

I’ve not played that

Well I tried genshin for about 30mins and uninstalled it.

[stiff hearth]

its got good action. i enjoyed it for a long time just stepped away as gatcha is too expensive for me atm.

[forest gate]

Yeah, I don’t really do MTX

It’s just never been that appealing to spend money on cosmetics. Idm battle passes cause they give a form of progression but generally, I’m not easily swayed by the pixels.

Which is not a judgement on anyone who does enjoy engaging with that stuff. Spend your money how you like!

[stiff hearth]

well, in games like that, it’s not cosmetic

you’re working to get actual characters or weapons and stuff through the gamba. i mostly liked building good synergies. but often had bad luck with pulls

and I don’t mind spending a bit of money on a game if I’m enjoying it. Really hoping we start getting some very nice skins for marathon eventually.

[lean swan]

Explain to me why billions died on tauceti... but the bodys are hardly no where to be found.

[stiff hearth]

billions? lol

idk where you are getting that from def weren’t that many

BUT that is part of the mystery

[eternal knoll]

da anolamy…

[lean swan]

Sir thats a splatoon splat bomb

[lean swan]

So they just... vanished into thin air?

[stiff hearth]

or turned into fungal zombies or were kidnapped

we don’t know yet

[dreamy hawk]

That’s an active point of research. One sec.

[forest gate]

There were between 24k and 30k people on TCIV

[earnest hatch]

It’s like 30,000, not billions.

[craggy finch]

How much would BoBs supplement the original crew?

They definitely limited population growth to avoid resource strain

[dreamy hawk]

Oh shoot which codex entry is it. 🤔

[forest gate]

I believe they had strict reproduction restrictions

[craggy finch]

Yeah it's the CyAc conference about AI

[earnest hatch]

They’d have to for a generational colony ship.

[dreamy hawk]

Tens of thousands, likely, not more than that.

[stiff hearth]

bobs iirc were the majority of the population as the officials were all in cryo

[craggy finch]

The first game's manual has this to say:

The original crew of the Marathon consisted of 50 Senior Staff, 1150 Officers, and 24,000 civilians all of whom were citizens of the Mars Colony or Earth. Some individuals were placed in stasis for the interstellar journey, but most civilians lived and worked on the ship and raised families there.

[stiff hearth]

yeah

[craggy finch]

If we take "most" to mean like 60-70% then I wonder how much the non-cryo population would have grown through BoBs

[forest gate]

I suspect you probably needed to get permission to conceive a child in that type of environment

[craggy finch]

A lot of the crew was also made up of people desperate to get away from Earth and Mars, since a controvery was that crew spaces were being offered via a refugee aid program

[stiff hearth]

they had an ai specifically manage it

the pike logs talk about it

[forest gate]

So I don’t think growth happened just maintenance of population

[craggy finch]

probably something similar to one child policy as well

or just enough children to sustain a working crew population

[forest gate]

Yep

[craggy finch]

It's odd that someone like Ulysses ended up being a line of BoBs since he's on a personal speaking basis with General Reed

and most security personnel seem to have been cryo

including the SO himself

The Lost Network Packets also has this tidbit:

Our defenses are collapsing. I had no idea just how soft all
of our security personnel have become. They just can't fight
anymore. Maybe it was the stasis, or maybe they just never
fought a hard fight.

[forest gate]

They probably assumed they would meet a threat once they hit planetside, not anticipating an attack in space.

[craggy finch]

Ulysses III or whatever was apparently being raised with the expectation of being part of security, so perhaps a skeleton security crew of sorts

[forest gate]

Also, crushing civvies is different from fighting an organised opposing military which the UESC was only used to the former.

[eternal knoll]

there could be mida on that alien planet!!

[pliant elm]

You can see one in Dire Marsh.

[craggy finch]

there's MIDA in them there hills

[craggy finch]

only from circumstances where recovery seems to be impossible

Anomaly is everything proof so they couldn't get the exploded guys out and Song was assimilated into a fungus

[forest gate]

I still think all the colonists ended up becoming a giant swamp of mushroom soup

[craggy finch]

or they're setting up zombies

[forest gate]

And then they’re going to congeal into fungal zombies

[pliant elm]

Someone took the Wrk is an eldritch too seriously.

[craggy finch]

honestly if I had to choose between Pfhor or fungus zombies, I would take Pfhor any day

[forest gate]

Can you imagine a massive gelatinous cube crawling around dire marsh or perimeter

[pliant elm]

LOL. 'Slime'

[craggy finch]

Dragon Quest

https://klipy.com/gifs/slimes-dragon-quest

[earnest hatch]

Pfhor are more interesting anyway. Zombies are sort of played out. It’s hard to make them interesting at this point.

[pliant elm]

Yeah!

[craggy finch]

plus you'd get accusations of Flood rehashes (which the Flood were technically, considering Marathon 2 concept art)

[forest gate]

They could be interesting if they were sentient

[pliant elm]

I can't recall if lovecraft is slimes or ectoplasm.

[craggy finch]

both

ectoplasm is aliens

[pliant elm]

Right..

[stiff hearth]

i would like both

each faction would have different fighting styles that would be fun

[forest gate]

If there’s something wrong and it don’t look good, who you gonna call?

[craggy finch]

the sheer bulk of Pfhor variants would make them diverse on their own

[earnest hatch]

Ectoplasm is ghosts and seances

[forest gate]

I want fungus invested zombie robots

[plucky sierra]

Anomalous ARS are a thing but right now the UESC shuts them all down

[stiff hearth]

zombies swarm, uesc uses basic tactics, pfhor… idk how they fight actually but probably something different lol

[plucky sierra]

Imagine they escape though

[forest gate]

I want sentient, fungus invested zombie robots

But a hive mind that makes creep sounds like the cries of the dead colonists

[craggy finch]

combined arms, melee units rushing in while they throw artillery with Troopers and Hunters

[earnest hatch]

Fighters swarm, troopers fire from a distance in coordinated assaults, hunters track down the player, enforcers snipe

[stiff hearth]

i assume as slavers the pfhor fight more sneaky with ambushes. sounds like this is post s’pht freedom so pfhor likely aren’t doing too well and could be desperate

that makes sense too

[forest gate]

Maybe the pfhor become our allies

[stiff hearth]

if anything the s’pht would

[earnest hatch]

Of course if they reintroduce the Pfhor, they might not stick with the same units as the originals.

[forest gate]

It’s a topsy turvy world. I’m just saying!

[pliant elm]

I wanna see the clusterfuck that will be the CARRI event if the lockdowns are already PVP heavy.

[forest gate]

We don’t know what it is

I’m optimistic it’ll be fun

[earnest hatch]

I just want to see more S’pht styles. They can technically have any kind of shell because it’s basically like a mech suit for them.

[forest gate]

Hopefully with some lore

[stiff hearth]

it could be the new separate game mode to replace duos

[pliant elm]

They already announced it to media, it will be ingame map-events similar to lockdown and anomaly.

With some lore behind it.

[craggy finch]

The narrative choice of a Pfhor nation on the run would be interesting, maybe even more desperate tactics like Pfhor bombers replacing things like simulacrum

[forest gate]

What if the s’pht create their own version of runner shells.

[craggy finch]

Bungie has done the scrappy alien pirates aesthetic with the Fallen before

[earnest hatch]

That might be the only mtx I’d be willing to pay for.

[lean swan]

Yea, 1. Where are the rest

[forest gate]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXE3uP9kmwJ/?igsh=bXh1dmdxaWUwdHk3

Bungie released a new trailer for recon

[oak burrow]

Wait did Orion genuinely get slimed out

[pliant elm]

Vandal had white gear, Recon had a Mis.

[craggy finch]

he'll be back

[pliant elm]

Gear diff.

[earnest hatch]

Vandal was listening to a podcast and didn’t hear the spider bot running up to ask if she’s got games on her phone.

[sage lark]

Thats what the whole mystery is

[sage lark]

2 times

Hes a runner equivalent

Using shells

[oak burrow]

I kind of guessed yeah

[robust vale]

yeah orion and his agents are a runner squad

[lean swan]

Ok gang, lets split up and search for clues

[eternal shell]

ah, marathon is scooby doo with guns. got it

[earnest hatch]

Searching for clues is what the colonists were doing before they disappeared.

[lean swan]

Nah its stranger things if sttranger things wasnt absolute dogshit

Mmm yes lets defeat the bad guy with feelings and...empathy

[runic grotto]

bingus is the compiler

[primal gorge]

Orion uses biomata shells like runners

[lean swan]

I wonder how runners would do against the covenant... and spartans would do against UESC clankers

[forest gate]

Where’s my Velma runner shell?

[lean swan]

Dead. Like her shity show

[forest gate]

Nah, nah that show never happened. Mindy Kaling is a talentless hack.

Probably a nepo baby

[dreamy hawk]

At some point I’d like to discuss the lore implications of a runner named “wildturkey” running around gobbling for a whole match. Does CyAc digitize other fowl?

[forest gate]

This makes me think of the parody to Katy Perry’s Last Friday Night song.

[dreamy hawk]

Presumably incredibly poorly. The UESC is a one-system government (I will not count TC as a meaningful holding in this case) against a multi-species empire with FTL tech. I addend “incredibly poorly” to “glassed in under a week.”

Marathon humans are way more advanced than halo humans in some ways, and way less in others.

[lean swan]

Ho's gettin mad when i team wipe a team with a halo infinite gravity hammer on outpost in 1 swing.

[eternal shell]

humanity has only barely started moving outside of its origin system but bob here can smack a compiler out of the air at 350 meters using nothing but his cyber eye and a magnum

[pliant elm]

BoB is god.

Pink BoB will clear a whole room alone.

[forest gate]

You know I’d imagine 300 years in space bobs would have had lower bone density than people in cryo

[eternal shell]

i get the feeling it's something they'd know how to prevent or treat

[forest gate]

I don’t know how gravity is generated on board the marathon

[eternal shell]

not supported by any lore, it's just a feeling i have

[dreamy hawk]

Marathon is a lost more posthumanist than Halo, imo. Humans as a species are more technologically uplifted in a physical sense.

[robust vale]

there's better tech and seemingly better cybernetics but the lack of ftl travel and armed spacecraft really cooks them

[dense tendon]

when thief points her hand and screams at the alien as the climax of the season for the third time i knew the writers were jus fucking with me specifically at that point

[proven copper]

"Lets split up!"
"On me on me, I'm down, he's one shot"
Gang gets wiped

[pliant elm]

👏

[dense tendon]

seriously tho, every season of stranger things has the same ending.
eleven is delivered to The Problem. she screams at it until it explodes. problem is solved.

[pliant elm]

That's some Disney level aliens.

[dense tendon]

like the first two times it kind of worked, cuz they were vastly different scenarios. but then they jus did it again, until the end.

she became goku. the entire rest of the plot was spent waiting for her to show up and pulp the baddie.

dumb show, honestly

[cloud ledge]

Does any logbook mention why they took a moon along with the Marathon?

[earnest hatch]

Yes, but I don’t remember which one. Something to do with mineral resources.

The real answer is because the first game made the Marathon be a moon converted into a spaceship.

[pliant elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyHlJV6yaew

This is my #1 alien choice.

[dense tendon]

see now heres the thing

[robust vale]

I believe the intent was that they would use Deimos en route to build things, repair the ship, and have raw materials ready for colonization so that they didn't need to set up mines and could get to the farming first without a stockpile of raw materials ready

IIRC History for Young Readers' entry on the Marathon mentions automated mining drones

[lunar cove]

Presumably acceleration but could also just be sci-fi handwaving

[earnest hatch]

I finally completed all the Sekiguchi quests. At the end Nona talks about the dream of a fully adaptable shell that can survive any environment. And then she says she can’t wait for that shell to return and meet her in person.

It makes me think Nona is doing all this to create a shell capable of housing her own intelligence, so she can be a mobile AI.

[dreamy hawk]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/uesc-marathon-model?search=Model

[hollow tartan]

So what is the loud heartbeat you can hear in the background in AI uplink in Dire Marsh?

[unreal sierra]

the eldritch horror underneath dire marsh. :3

..the wrkncakntr.

[dense torrent]

Close! Its actually where Durandal hid all the lock picks and he’s just wigging out with yarro tech to keep you from getting to it

[dense torrent]

So like, there’s gonna be phthor baddies in a future update right?

[unreal slate]

Type s'pht

[earnest hatch]

What type of S’pht?

[dreamy hawk]

Where on the Bristol chart is it?

[jade wagon]

100%

[dreamy hawk]

Thanks for jinxing it.

Rude.

[dense torrent]

Nah bro that’s a recon, trust. He can see it coming

[jade wagon]

the signals are a chorus inside my mind fr

But seriously with so much more of the Marathon to explore, and the original game being about fighting the aliens, it'd be a waste not to add more

[bleak canyon]

yeah read about the scientist issac

[lilac sapphire]

How cool would it be if a future marathon map was some kind of remake of an OG map

colony ship for sale cheap anyone??

[earnest hatch]

I was thinking that G4 sunbathing would fit this game very well. You’ve got these massive arenas open to the sky surrounded by labrythine, narrow corridors. It would create a lot of interesting shifts in strategies and gameplay styles as you progress through the map.

[lilac sapphire]

oooh yeah, i liked that map. also implications for vacuum environment could be interesting (do shells breathe? probably not eh?)

[swift mirage]

p

[dense torrent]

Horrifying lore implications from the Gen-chat, are shells furries?

[drifting garnet]

Next raid map, let's gooooo

[lilac spear]

So are there any people left alive in cryosleep? I haven't been to cryo archive myself, but there's tons of colonists still frozen from the footage I've seen, are they all dead?

[lilac sapphire]

Good question, I would like to hope not 😬

[dense torrent]

Right now we don’t have any reason to believe any of them survived but if any of them have, they live in a state that’s no different to death. Excessive time spent in cryo sleep has a toll on your humanity. You lose memories and personality until eventually you’re no different than a purely instinctual biological creature. For all the transhuman cybernetic evolution in Marathon, the BoBs risk descending into something more primal and base than human each time they sleep. Arachne is cool cuz they want to do that to everybody

[weary moss]

Speculation: What crazy shit do y'all think Night Marsh will bring us.

[dense torrent]

Night compiler

[weary moss]

Was debating new hazards with some friends and Compiler presence would be cool. Visions, more horror like stuff. New hostile creatures along with UESC would keep things fresh.

[dense torrent]

I think it would be cool if you started hallucinating enemy players walking around you whenever you’re too close to the anomaly

[weary moss]

God please

More anomaly hazards.

[dense torrent]

Yes

[jade wagon]

Why are there still humans preserved in cryo? Shouldn't they have been defrosted once the colony was established?

[lilac sapphire]

Worse, night ticks

Definitely more spooky anom sounds

[lilac sapphire]

Some codexes lead me to believe they sucked at the defrosting process and were taking their time

Maybe they still finished though idk

[floral slate]

i think everyone left behind are the ones who died asleep

[lilac sapphire]

Well 'sucked' more I mean they didn't expect some people to react as crazy as they evidently did and it sounded like security was a bit heavy handed in their response

[jade wagon]

Gotcha ty

[robust vale]

also, defrosting everyone at once leads to real food shortage risks

I think they were loading more people out as they got food production running smoother and the logistics established

they were having food issues with the people that had arrived, the full 30k would have starved right quick

[weary portal]

Now I really wanna know what bonsai tree coffee tastes like

[torpid field]

I cant wait to become as much of a Marathon lore expert as I was in destiny

[eternal shell]

you're in luck, there's 4 games to study

and bongo knew how to write lore back then too

5 if you count pathways into darkness

[torpid field]

Excellent, I have been watching some Evaze videos too to get into this lore a bit and I love how esoteric it already feels. Classic bungie shit which I am a fan of

[eternal shell]

play the originals if you havent already

https://alephone.lhowon.org/

you're one install and having to set up some sensible controls away from more marathon

[torpid field]

Thank ya

[stiff hearth]

they are also on steam for free

[oak wind]

I swear thats already a mechanic on perimeter and dire marsh the later you stay in the match the more foot steps and weird voices you here but there won't be shit there.

[inner hamlet]

guys how do i get a custom role for a faction

[eternal shell]

channels and roles

[inner hamlet]

ngl idk what that means

[formal wadi]

PID lore is now the equivalent of an insane Kojima retcon of a thing that happened only in metal gear on the msx or something

[eternal shell]

or is it

[eternal shell]

channel list, scroll all the way up. channels and roles are at the top.

then pick a faction you like

[inner hamlet]

thanks man

[formal wadi]

it feels like ive been doing nutty marathon speculation literally my whole life

[eternal shell]

and now you're cheeseburgering

you'll fit in right here

[formal wadi]

like all the way back to marathon coming out and going OHHH IS IT THOSE GUYS?!

[eternal shell]

keep in mind i dont accept any canons or headcanons where leela do not end up rampantly partying in the vylae network

[formal wadi]

this ultimately is why this game must succeed: we have kept this horse shit going since I was 13 and I can't have it stopping now

[weary portal]

For anyone who is interested in the original story and doesnt have the patience to play the trilogy there is a series of videos by a YouTuber called Emms, he has made fully voiced feature length movies out of the marathon games, he voices all the terminals complete with each character having their own distinct voices

[fossil junco]

hop on ranked+ NOWWW
HOP ON RANKED+++++

[lilac sapphire]

7 if you count Myth and Myth II 😮

[weary portal]

I’ve seen parallels drawn between the leveler and the W’rkncacnter and the security officer and the protagonist of myth

Bungie leaves little crumbs for you to put it together if you want. I like to think that all of their games are connected

[torpid field]

I mean yeah Halo and Marathon explicitly exist in the multiverse of Destiny at least considering we have recieved weapons from these universes

[pure wagon]

Icl it’s hard for me to think halo exists anywhere near the same realm as destiny.

[torpid field]

Lol well its not the same universe at least so like No destiny things appear in halo. But in destiny we pulled the Halo hand gun from the multiverse

[pure wagon]

Aaah gotcha

[weary portal]

The way I like to think about it is each bungie game is just a different iteration and expression of the same themes and ideas but each time is a little different, I like to think they exist adjacent to each other in the multiverse of existence

[earnest hatch]

There isn’t really a protagonist in Myth. Unless you consider the army the protagonist.

[weary portal]

No there’s not really a protagonist, the closest we get is the narrator which is a nameless soldier in the army, which still fits

[lyric heart]

I like your status 🌊🌊🌊

[drifting garnet]

meanwhile, finally finishes getting the last Tick Milk Codex entry

:/ between this and the Drinkable Borger entries, why's it always gotta come down to poop??? :/

[lyric heart]

I like the parallels between Halo and Marathon a lot, I like the major quantum immortality theme in the lore

[drifting garnet]

Oh also, with Recon’s new cinematic short…yeah that little bit of her visualizing multiple Vandals seemed…ominous

Almost in the vein of Destroyer seeing the burning version of himself

[rotund stump]

cool coincidence if not intentional but it'd be super fucking cool if they factored the music in

[weary portal]

Don’t think I’m familiar with that one

[rotund stump]

cuz both the rook and recon cinematic used neurosaboteur from vol 2 and both shells are known to cause complete psychosis either by prolonged use or a very small chance of programming gone awry

not too sure about time leach and code race for destroyer and assassin tho

maybe purely for hype reasons

[earnest hatch]

Eh, can’t agree with you there. We don’t even know what actions the chronicler takes or what he does. If anyone would be the protagonist it would be King Alric but only for the second game.

[weary portal]

I’ve never played myth and likely never will, that’s just what I found in my cursory research of the game

[lyric heart]

https://www.halopedia.org/List_of_Marathon_references_in_the_Halo_series pretty fun page to read through, I found out about this when a friend talked me into playing

Durandal is named after a mythical sword. Curtana, also spelled "Cortana", is a sword which bears the inscription "My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durandal"

[weary portal]

Okay, a lot of these I knew about already, I really like marathon for it’s cosmic bits and it’s more expanded perspective other than just the military, halo has it too but it’s a lot more hidden and you have to search for it

Something I’ve been thinking about recently is how the conflict in which battleroids were a proven concept, the whole situation was just a set up to see if it could be done. The image of a recently or long dead soldier resurrected through alien technology and personality and memories carved out until only the most mission critical traits are left, and then sent to systematically wipe out all live combatants, friend or foe then done with such lethality and efficiency that the use of them is promptly outlawed.

Kind of insane that they are so efficient and effective that humans would rather risk losing s conflict over using them

[sterile seal]

I wonder if the post-Reach stuff would be considered part of the Bungie multiverse or even the Bungie era books and comics

[weary portal]

I doubt it, towards the end of bungie’s stewardship of halo Microsoft started making them cut out referencing to marathon for legal reasons

[drifting mulch]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/evidence-folder/bioaugment-incidents
https://x.com/PropheticAI/status/2043731918404096195
we're getting closer to self-activated brain pleasure devices

[pure wagon]

i thought that was just a visual way to communicate the whole run-die-run again thing. like the burning destroyer was him how he died last time facing the same enemy

[drifting garnet]

There’s bits here and there. For instance, Cortana 2.0/The Weapon from Infinite has since renamed herself to “Joyeuse”

[sterile seal]

Yeah, I think Halo honestly rhymes more with Marathon during the 343 era

[drifting garnet]

Yeah. Which, not to say 343/MS aren’t above criticism, but it’s still neat they try to continue Bungie’s legacy in their own ways

[visual lynx]

The Marathon player-character is Destiny.
The creator of the world of Myth is Wyrd.
Destiny is fate.
Wyrd is fate.
Destiny is Wyrd.
The Marathon player-character is the creator of the world of Myth.

Where of course the connection is dreams. The Marathon player-character dreams new timelines into being (or something) in Marathon Infinity, and magic in the world of Myth is called Dreams, with the world having been created from the One Dream.

In another server it came up that as the Marathon player-character is hinted to have some kind of mythic cosmic counterpart, "The Dark One, the enemy and lover without whom [his] very existence would be pathetic and vulgar" -- whom in Eternal I elaborate upon as Hathor of course -- Wyrd likewise has Nyx, the goddess of Night, of darkness.

That inspired a thought in me that Myth should have been a trilogy that culminated in the impending return of the Old Gods -- who we learn were the original gods of that world, with whole races of people, before Wyrd and Nyx showed up and spattered a new creation on the face of theirs, fighting and eventually banishing them to an underworld in the process -- and a quest to reunite the One Dream, which has the intended effect of reincarnating Wyrd and Nyx, but so far as anyone can tell, just draws the whole world of Myth through some kind of portal in the sky, after which there are new stars, and the world is bent into a sphere (as in the Bending of the World in Tolkien's Akallabeth), and there are no signs of any gods, Dark or otherwise, anywhere. there aren't any answers to what any of this means. something drastic has changed, the cycle of the Leveller has definitely been broken, but… wtfingf does the future hold now? (implicitly, the new cosmos the world has been drawn into is the same universe as the Marathon games… I don't know when, exactly)

[visual lynx]

on a long enough timescale all food is recycled poop

space settlements just require that loop be shortened because you don't have the luxury of a whole biosphere to cycle it through

[lone cedar]

Broh I jsut realized in the cinematic they give the same photo to assiassin that they gave to vandal. Why did they do that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbEnWLRo1s

I wonder if its because he picked the photo off of her body and also her lucky charm they wanted to know if he knew her in real life? Now im wondering if they show the same child to all the shells.

[drifting garnet]

The most prominent interpretation is that the runner who was Vandal decided to switch to the Assassin shell

One interpretation I've had, to emphasize CyAc/ONI also being Not Your Friend, is that they know about runner memory loss/tainting and they're always testing for it. With the plot twist here being: the Vandal and Assassin we see are two separate runners, but ONI's giving them the same memory test. AKA: the childhood photo of them isn't actually supposed to be them.

[craggy finch]

Or they're deliberately altering memories

Sometimes ONI says "purging memories of pain" at the start of a run

also advises Runners to not be alarmed by "memories of an unfamiliar past" and oddly reassures you that you don't need to remember previous runs because they're "etched in your bones"

[drifting mulch]

really do love that part of the cinematic and i hope Bungie explores identity more, even if the original intention of the cinematic may be different from the game's lore now

[lilac sapphire]

what is it with Bungo AIs and excessivily cryptic remarks

just say what you mean you damn computer !

[craggy finch]

Someone found a mural depicting SO
https://x.com/PorkPoncho/status/2043474788291654116

@unreal sierra

I disagree with the notion that this represents Mjolnir in general because the SO was considered a normal human by everybody so his armour is just regular standard issue Marathon security gear

In essence it turns what what was regular grunt gear into a legendary visual

[earnest hatch]

It definitely is referencing the SO from the original game, but from the perspective of the colonist who drew it, may be it’s a security guard who saved them.

[pure wagon]

Does anyone else just find all the graffiti weird tho

Like what the colonists just all got taken over by the urge to draw ?

[earnest hatch]

People were going crazy by the end it seems.

[barren elm]

Is there any explanation for why ONI interacts with the colony AI?

[weary portal]

I’m pretty sure it says somewhere in the original marathon terminals that the security officer is a battleroid

[craggy finch]

Yes but he doesn’t know that

He’s wearing ordinary security gear

The other nine could have had other jobs besides security to boot

[weary portal]

I think by infinity he is aware that he is something more (or less) than human

[craggy finch]

Yeah he goes schizo basically, but I assume he also found out by the time the Pfhor opened his face up while torturing him

At the beginning of M2 he still seems to think he’s an ordinary guy

[barren elm]

My assumption is that Oni is Durandal, that we are in a time loop, and after we discover the time loop, the in game wipe/reset happens, and Durandal/ONI coaxes us back towards trespassing in useful ways.

Another alternative-- all runners on Tau Ceti are just copies of the same consciousness, one that is most useful. We are literally shooting ourselves the whole game.

[plucky sierra]

Thoth calls him other than human in M2

[weary portal]

I take the interpretation that we are quite literally experiencing the different stages of rampancy that an A.I would experience but through the lens of a post causal temporal entity

[drifting garnet]

incidentally: is it confirmed or is it still speculation regarding the theory that one of the diverging points was "SecOfficer was deployed to the surface of TCIV alongside the other battleroids"?

[craggy finch]

Yeah he probably figured it out at some point

But to start off with he’s clueless even after the implications at the end of M1

[plucky sierra]

as far as we know the diverging point is the end of M1

even for this game

[drifting garnet]

well, the diverging point of how this game is different from all the other ones

like it's been noted before that in M2, TCIV gets glassed, but here it definitely looks like that didn't happen

[plucky sierra]

in every timeline the diverging point is the end of M1

[weary portal]

I guess that would be the end of M2 and the beginning of M3 since the W’rkncacnter is released and time begins to unravel

[craggy finch]

Most of the details are heavily redacted, but we can infer a lot of infrastructure was damaged, colonists got killed or abducted, and things on the Marathon itself were even worse somehow

Because the MIDA quest logs have all these reports then mentions events on the Marathon separately

[drifting garnet]

Oh sure: it seems clear that the Pfhor attack from M1 happened as normal.

[weary portal]

Nu-marathon is set about 100 years after M1, M2 is 17 years after M1 infinity is the introduction of the multiverse, definitely possible…

[craggy finch]

The key thing about the multiverse is that each timeline ends because the Wrk escapes, destroying the universe

The “final timeline” is just one where it doesn’t destroy everything

[weary portal]

Exactly, so Nu-marathon has to be set in an off shoot where the W’rk never gets out

[craggy finch]

And it apparently all depends on what Durandal chose to do immediately after M1

The crux seems to be never taking the SO from Tau Ceti

Allowing Tycho to take him instead

[weary portal]

But then we have the anomaly which I think is a W’rk or something similar…

[craggy finch]

I’m kind of considering the S’pht being more malevolent this time as well

The effect it has on the AI is suspicious

Plus the cult that formed around them and Jasper apparently being stalked by one

After the fall of the colony

[weary portal]

If Durandal up and left them like he did in M2 rhen it’s possible, why is there just one compiler on rhe marathon?

[craggy finch]

Probably won’t just be restricted to Cryo in future plans

They’ve been on the surface

Cryo is also interestingly the only entry point both Runners and UESC have to the Marathon

Even Orion is struggling to maintain a foothold

[visual lynx]

even sbhuth is no more
he saved his entire race, but in the end, frozen by despair, he joined the chaos he had sought to evade

[craggy finch]

It has some hallmarks of S’pht as well, they tried to fight Pfhor with a contagion in the past and the AI are uniquely being tampered with, which fits with how quickly they took Leela and Tycho apart

[weary portal]

I don’t have much experience with cryo or the lore from it. My personal thoughts are that the anomaly is a W’rkncacnter or maybe a fragment of one, but as others have pointed out it’s kind of a narrative dead end, as interesting as it is to me the only solution would be to jump timelines and I just don’t think bungie is looking to rehash a 30 year old story for their extraction shooter

[craggy finch]

Fungus zombies were literally a cut concept of that bio weapon as well

[weary portal]

Yeah, they got fooled into halo, the flood is what became of them

[craggy finch]

With some Wrk elements story wise

Ancient evil and all

[weary portal]

I actually don’t think a W’rkncacnter is an ancient evil

I think it just is

[craggy finch]

Yeah just a semantic thing

But evil from the perspective of dudes dying from it simply existing

[visual lynx]

if as I expect the wrk is contained within a jjaro-built prison that is TCIV, then merely its reality-warping influence could leak creating PiD-like monsters to fight, and it could be resealed by e.g. putting the Artifacts back where they belong

[austere trellis]

where is this from? im curious

[craggy finch]

It’s funny how Infinity worked the solution to gameplay limits of putting shit in slots and reading terminals

We could also carry a nuke into place and detonate it, PiD style

[weary portal]

Ran into the exploded jelly (colonist?) In dire marsh near the anomaly earlier, if learning of the existence of a w’rk (if that is what it is) does that to you I REALLY don’t want to know what happened to people they sent into the anomaly

[craggy finch]

That’s technically an extraction shooter (extract before the nuke timer runs out)

[craggy finch]

In the reveal cinematic it happens to a guy just caught in its gravity field

Other logs seem to indicate abduction so that’s probably an even worse fate yeah

[weary portal]

If the phfor got them, for sure

[craggy finch]

Sometimes they get found (aged by several years in less than a day “outside”), others just disappear

[weary portal]

Look what they did to the S’pht

[craggy finch]

One log has a scientist find a skeleton of a disappeared colonist

While he himself probably died later on in the same way

[weary portal]

Damn it. This is why i wish this game had mode where i could just search for lore items 😩 I couldnt care less about meta this or meta that. I want my stories!

[craggy finch]

Same, just want to collect shit

If there’s a PvE mode in the future they can remove all the high level gear for balance but I still want lore collectibles

[weary portal]

That’s all I want 😩😩😩

Until bingo decides they want to make authored complete stories again I guess we just gotta make do with their live service model

[craggy finch]

Bungie I’m from the future, you will make a PvE mode featuring Pfhor and will make a Marabillions dollars

Trust

[rotund stump]

vol II is ryan lott's original scores and vol I's the recompiled tracks from said scores into game-appropriate adaptive tracks

both released under ryan lott

I got both on apple music I think every other major platform has them as well lol

but if you mean the psychosis bit then they're from shell exfil entries

recon's proprietary UESC CSL tech is still in use but the shell's retired along with every other model in the CSL's own line of meant-to-be military shells, shell-specific reason being echo pulses have a very low chance to entirely scramble the user's neural matrix

[craggy finch]

Shit in canon and meta, I can’t believe this slander

[rotund stump]

and rook's a rudimentary frame that's technically just a heavy duty labor bot and not a shell and following destiny's DER logic prolonged use has horrible effects to the user alongside tciv's anomaly messing with the mind and frame connection

I say borrowing destiny's DER logic cuz I think it's pretty heavily implied by all the otherwise unnecessarily human features sekgen's putting in their shells and even for the MIDA-originated vandal ala phantom pain and related symptoms with missing body features

though with some leeway with users inhabiting rook frames missing said human features lasting slightly longer than prototype exo subjects

[craggy finch]

It also says that Runners jerry rigged the link itself

[rotund stump]

yep

[plucky sierra]

quick reminder that that is only in the cinematic, in game they make a point to mention no gravitational effects

[rotund stump]

as for destroyer SnD's simply too effective to the point where it actually starts clouding the user's mind and assassin's early camo filter prototypes caused total dissociation and loss of identity * the CSL denying its existence (love me a war crime-loving gov)

[craggy finch]

Well we do see shit just floating in the air

But I assume that’s also a rather late incident

No logs seem to mention the ground cracking open and the cinematic dates that event at 2827

[plucky sierra]

It’s strange cause multiple times there’s mention of no gravitational anomaly and it is described as Minkowski space

[craggy finch]

I think at some point it went outright violent

[plucky sierra]

But it has also stabilized since then

[plucky sierra]

I mean as soon as it opened it was

The contagion originated from the anomaly

[rotund stump]

can we tinfoil about ftl a bit rq I got an idea from elite lol

[plucky sierra]

I never take the tinfoil off

[craggy finch]

The infrastructure of Dire Marsh looks like it caught all of them towards the end of the crisis

[rotund stump]

marathon clearly didn't have ftl on departure but with how much smaller crafts became post-ftl I think the alcubierre drive theory became real

[craggy finch]

No attempt to fix the damage and entire roads are gone

[plucky sierra]

It definitely was erupting for a while

[rotund stump]

cuz people also talk about elite's FSDs being alcubierre drives technically

[plucky sierra]

They went inside it

What is alcubierre

[craggy finch]

It seems like there were designated zones from it though, a scientific curiosity they could venture into

When we see it it’s smack dab in the middle of a very important area to the colony

[plucky sierra]

Dire Marsh

[craggy finch]

Like a step away from the really important quarantine building

[rotund stump]

common ftl theory is simply the craft itself going ftl but alcubierre theory's more like warping the space around the craft and sending that whole space ftl to the destination

cuz elite does have canopy breaches and it can occur mid-dogfight

and space dust would immediately turn the pilot into swiss cheese

• you can still supercruise and warp to other systems with a breached canopy and there's no way it's not lethal with the speed both drives go

[craggy finch]

That’s seemingly how Pfhor ships work

They’re noted to warp space around them

[rotund stump]

hm

[craggy finch]

Kind of like Dune

Folding space

[rotund stump]

smth like that

there's also thargoid witch spaces in elite but we don't know how that works lol

only thing we know is INRA's inhuman experiments bringing us improved FSDs

day 5 into the game and I'm already knowing so much lore god 😭

[craggy finch]

Well the Equanimity was a follow-up expedition planned as far back as 2795 expected to arrive 2894

We and Orion are presumably part of a race that started in 2888

[rotund stump]

do we know how big a kingfisher class is?

[plucky sierra]

Yeah Jjaro fold space

And Pfhor stole it presumably

[craggy finch]

So travel time went from 300+ > 100ish > 5 years

[rotund stump]

ALCUBIERRE IS REAL BABYYYYY

still not thanking the pfhor for it 💀 💀

[craggy finch]

UESC didn’t know diddly dick about the Pfhor

Durandal was supposed to give them secrets to warp capable missiles but that doesn’t seem to have happened

M2 being altered and all by Infinity

[rotund stump]

would go off alcubierre warp if durandal managed to do it

us humans still have etherstep tho

total particle disassembly and recompiling at destination ala etherstep and DCONs

[craggy finch]

It existed as far back as 2300s it seems

M1 had Leela jumping you through specific pads around the Marathon, then Durandal upgrades them to teleport you at will onto another ship

[rotund stump]

yeah but there's a theme of slightly shoddy and unreliable tech with us humans 💀

rampant AIs, complete particle disassembly etc

also Not Entirely Secure exo-consciousness

[craggy finch]

Haemorrhaging Edge technology

Durandal and Tycho mostly seem to use teleportation to threaten people with sending them into vacuum (Tycho actually follows through once)

[rotund stump]

weekly dissociation exercise from a stressful work environment

swipe the underside of your left forearm as an assassin shell and enjoy complete bliss

[craggy finch]

I hope we get more tidbits about life on Sol

Atm it seems youre only a biomata if you’re military like UESC, corporate mercenaries, or doing something horribly illegal like Runners and MIDA

we don’t have a hint of consumer use for biomata

[plucky sierra]

They suspected enough

They had the “fermi group” raise enough fuss to develop something for defense (Joy imo) even if it was only for the travel time

[craggy finch]

They may have been red herring’d into thinking the invading force was S’pht, going by how badly Orion and his men are getting hit

[plucky sierra]

The biopsy entry’s are Pfhor

[craggy finch]

Leela had to use the emergency “not FTL but our shit is busted” comms I guess

[plucky sierra]

So they know some

[craggy finch]

But then the S’pht steal the spotlight in later logs

[plucky sierra]

I think this is largely what happened and with Tycho taken or whatever happened to him they couldn’t reactivate or repair the ftl comms post attack

[plucky sierra]

Well because they were created and therefore interesting

And also the only one still around because of the compiler hanging about

[craggy finch]

Yeah so it’s likely that Orion will attribute the S’pht as the main alien threat

Which may or may not be true at this junction

[plucky sierra]

I’m assuming the events of M1 played out largely the same

[craggy finch]

That debate also had a lot of cuts to the planning so it was still kind of a “just in case aliens” plan

[plucky sierra]

The trilogy has the end of M1 as the branch point for infinity and I assume it’s the same here if there is timeline shenanigans

[plucky sierra]

Yeah but they expected something

The exoplanet candidates page hints at it

[craggy finch]

It seems only the top officials had an idea of whatever high concept thing was going on

Caruso and Reed are completely clueless

Reed seems horrified by a lot of revelations actually

[plucky sierra]

If the anomaly is largely Jjaro tech maybe they knew and sent a colony to check

I don’t know why they wouldn’t tell the officers though

[craggy finch]

If the Marathon’s crew were sacrificial lambs the administration was either extremely forward thinking or had ways of preserving themselves

Cryo was still relatively experimental by the time of the Marathon’s launch though

300+ years for pay off is nuts

[plucky sierra]

There were the [REDACTED] group with no wake cycle

[craggy finch]

Aboard the Marathon?

[plucky sierra]

Yeah

[craggy finch]

Deep state may still be sleeping then

Or dead

Or having horrible things being done to them by Durandal/Spht

[plucky sierra]

Reading it looks like people who died in cryo sleep put in that cycle for recovery research

Also if anyone is interested the codex is getting some of the cosmetics lore pages

[craggy finch]

Side note but just read this

CREDITS IN/CREDITS OUT: Dark market ARMORY outlets are digital storefronts where vendors, including FACTIONS, can connect directly with RUNNERS to offer expanding inventories to help fill, or refill, a RUNNER's arsenal of weaponry, equipment, Implants, and more.

We’re using cryptocurrency bruh, this debt is forever

[keen plank]

Good news. The cosmetics have a decent chunk of lore.

[gray dawn]

New player but can I just say ||Gus moraine is 100% Gaius|| idk if that’s confirmed later down the line I’m only 5 hours into the game but I’m calling it.

||Gus Moraine can be rearranged to spell Gaius and the voice sees to be the same||

[forest gate]

But a radio wave is still an EM wave and travels at the speed of light in a vacuum. Sure it’ll need boosters along the way to ensure it doesn’t lose energy over great distances but unless those signal boosters were somehow designed to make the signal travel 7.3x the distance of TCIV from earth it really doesn’t make sense.

Was the back up system smoke signals?

[forest gate]

Could be he was a bit egotistical and had the AI made with his personality/image

[gray dawn]

Probably, I’m assuming he comes up more with the nucaloric storyline so I’ll probably advance that

[sage lark]

he doesnt at all

[craggy finch]

Leela: I sent all of the information I have on the Pfhor: their behavior; their technology. The message will arrive in ninety-two years

Security Officer: But we’re 11 light ye-

Leela: shut up

[keen plank]

Gaius was designed to be based off him. Don’t worry, you’re on the right track.

Both are voiced by Darin DePaul. He’s voiced a lot of stuff, such as Reinhardt from Overwatch.

[forest gate]

Man, I love Darin DePaul, in interviews he seems like such a joyous person. His voice work is fantastic.

[keen plank]

He does seem like a pleasant guy. Very warm.

[forest gate]

He’s an actor on camera so it can be top tier professionalism but yeah I’d like to think he’s a pleasant person even when the cameras aren’t rolling.

[forest gate]

Was the message travelling by time dilating gravitational anomaly?

Did Leela make a mistake?

Did Bungie forget how light years and EM waves work?

We may never know!

[visual lynx]

Bungie thought Tau Ceti was 92 or 94 ly from Sol

[forest gate]

Ooof

[visual lynx]

they make the same (or slightly different) mistake in multiple places

[forest gate]

I’m going with Leela intentionally delayed the transmission by 76 years cause Durandal was manipulating her.

Basically putting it on a timer

[visual lynx]

the best in-universe explanations is that she confused herself like the LNP say

[forest gate]

And the SO didn’t question it cause he just follows orders

[visual lynx]

she wouldn’t have intentionally delayed it because she explicitly remarks on how the unavoidable delay may make the whole exercise pointless given the Pfhor FTL tech

[forest gate]

Duplicity

Also as an Australian court once ruled and set a precedent, someone can have multiple intentions and intentions alone are not a valid justification to prosecute them for a particular perceived breach of intent.

[craggy finch]

Canonically kind of dumb

His entire thing is shooting or punching problems until they stop being problems

[forest gate]

He was a dead guy cosplaying as living guy so you know.

[balmy thistle]

does anyone have codex entries for the wardens, I just wanna see their text

[forest gate]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

[balmy thistle]

omg

[craggy finch]

Reminder that the Toxic Warden is literally a war crime

[balmy thistle]

the entirety of uesc robots even being deployed is a war crime back in sol

but then again, tau ceti has no other parties except the uesc and using robots runners don't count ig

[craggy finch]

If ARS units are banned in Sol I wonder if the majority of UESC enforcers are biomata

codex says this

SIZE: It is estimated that the UESC employs 0.138% of the population of the Sol system

Could that mean certain states maintain their own militaries?

But if AI-driven warfare is forbidden by the UESC's own laws back in Sol, what exactly are they testing in defense of TAU CETI IV and to what end?
Maybe it means that using an AI like Cerberus to command ARS en masse is illegal, while having an operator control them is more acceptable

[craggy tide]

Halo & Marathon are entirely separate universes that aren't connected to each other at all. The separation happened before Halo Combat Evolved ever came into existence. ex-Bungie devs of that era have confirmed this multiple times afaik. Most recent being Paul Russel.
Like circa 1998 / 1999 tops. @sterile seal @lyric heart @drifting garnet

[drifting garnet]

Mmm? Yes, I know. I have no idea where you're getting this notion that i ever said they were set in the same universe

[lyric heart]

Thanks for the clarification, I should've made that more clear. You are correct!

[craggy tide]

Was just reading through it and saw some mentions of them somehow being connected or "quantum tunneling" like you mentioned yourself.
As far as we understand it, they aren't connected at all. No quantum tunneling, no "different universes but can travel", notta.

[lyric heart]

Quantum Immortality

[craggy tide]

Symbols showing up in Halo that came from Marathon were just easter eggs & that's it. Bungie liked to place easter eggs in all there games all the time, especially when it came to references or having things from previous stuff show up.

Even Destiny had Halo-ish easter eggs in it. Doesn't make them connected.

new Marathon game also has Destiny easter eggs afaik.

[lyric heart]

yes, the parallels with halo are easter eggs and nods at each other, the other theme I noticed with the Marathon series is this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality

[drifting garnet]

I mean, if you have stuff like the MIDA Multi-Tool appear in Destiny and make it explicitly reference Marathon, seems to go beyond just merely Easter Eggs

multiverse and what not

otherwise

[craggy tide]

Nope, just easter eggs.

[drifting garnet]

No, I don't think people has serious expectations of like, the Runners hopping over to help the Guardians or whatever

[stiff hearth]

honestly, you could still consider it a link to the timeline, but in a different way than you might think

[drifting garnet]

yea, multiverse things

[craggy tide]

Marathon & Destiny do have more of a connection that could be made regarding shared universes due to both of them being Bungie created / owned, but as of now they're just easter eggs and that's it.

new Marathon game even has some Halo references in it, despite again, they're separate. Not connected.

[craggy finch]

It's in the same way that Witcher references Cyberpunk but the director of Cyberpunks says he'll keep it separate

Marathon is unlikely to bring up Destiny elements

[stiff hearth]

effectively halo could be what if they never made durandal and the marathon, never went for tau ceti, basically a universe where everything changed and went completely different

[lyric heart]

Multiple timelines are a thing in Marathon

[drifting garnet]

I mean, even that I feel is a bit different. Like, I recall the thing on Ciri having some type of dream about Night City, but like I don't think it ever went as far as Ciri actually going to Night City and meeting V or whatever

[stiff hearth]

meeting V no i think she visited before v was back in NC

[drifting garnet]

nor is there anything to suggest like, the Blackwall AI are similar to the monsters from Witcher or something like that

[stiff hearth]

but she def visited even if briefly

[craggy finch]

From one specific point though: weird ass subway dream terminal aside, most of the timelines revolve around very specific events after M1

not like SO visits the medieval AU

[stiff hearth]

she visited it iirc since she can physically jump through realities

i don’t recall it being just a dream

for ciri i mean

[craggy finch]

Yeah she was in another world where she couldn't be found

she even goes to a world referencing the 70s Tarkovsky movie Solaris

[stiff hearth]

people with metal heads and flying ships and no horses

i hope the new witcher shows off her ability a lot

would be kind of lame for us to finally be able to play as her only to not ever use her ability to jump between realities

[craggy tide]

Multiple universes / timelines are also a thing in Halo, but each "universe" is strictly Halo themed. Not Marathon themed.

[stiff hearth]

in an infinite multiverse anything is possible

[craggy finch]

Halo itself is a Marathon themed universe 😃

[stiff hearth]

we only saw a small slice if any

[lyric heart]

yeah if things are infinite, pretty much anything and everything will occur somewhere

[craggy tide]

no

[craggy finch]

The skeleton is literally inspired by OG Marathon

[lyric heart]

infinite halo universe would be like the infinity between 1 and 2 vs infinitity between -inf to +inf

[craggy tide]

https://www.halopedia.org/Fractures
https://www.halopedia.org/Silver_Timeline
if you wanna learn or know more, here you go (silver timeline = halo tv show btw, which is the worst thing they could've ever made)

[craggy finch]

Silver Timeline is just a bullshit excuse to not set it in the game's events

and to show Jimmy Ring's face and naked ass

[drifting garnet]

ooooh you mean the game universe versus the TV universe?

...yeah that's a little different

[craggy finch]

basically negligible, the show will have zero bearing on the games' lore

[craggy tide]

no?
I was saying they're multiple universes / timelines. Halo has them. I'm guessing Marathon does to

[timber urchin]

marathon does

[drifting garnet]

nah this is a bit different in that that's more a different adaptation

[craggy tide]

have the other Marathon universes ever been explored on or no

[craggy tide]

it's not different at all, same concept.

[stiff hearth]

we only visit a small slice of that Multiverse, though, and assuming that the entire Multiverse is represented by like five different timelines is silly in my opinion infinite Multiverse infinite possibilities. Everything can be connected.

[timber urchin]

marathon infinity has you jumping through several different timelines throughout the course of the game

[drifting garnet]

the Silver timeline nonsense was more to explain why the show wasn't set in the game's continuity

[craggy tide]

no, they purposely wanted it to be different afaik

but again, it's the same concept.

you can't go out saying it's different when the whole point of a different universe is that it's different lol

[craggy finch]

It's all based on what immediately happened after M1, with the eventuality of the trih xeen being used

Only Durandal and the SO's actions form the crux of a multiverse

[drifting garnet]

yeah I never bought that. the show always struck me as actually being a rejected pitch for a different sci-fi show, but that they managed to get greenlit with a Halo coat of paint

[craggy finch]

not in the MCU way either

[craggy tide]

adding on to what I already said, if Marathon has "infinite universes", it also has it's own Halo TV Show universe to

lol

[drifting garnet]

...aaaand choosing to ignore what I say, cool

[timber urchin]

halos timelines r different though since its not like they're connected to each other, they're very seperate from each other

like lew said

its just different adaptations

[craggy tide]

No, I'm flat out saying if you think it's "different", you're just flat out wrong. No need to respond to anything else when I've already answered it in prior messages.

[craggy tide]

if we ever get the ability to travel between universes in Halo then it's not gonna be any different (pray this will never happen)

[timber urchin]

i would hope they dont go down that route

[craggy finch]

It's a "timeline" in the same way Battlestar Galactica has two different TV shows

[drifting garnet]

no, you're Choosing to ignore that the Silver timeline is different in context

[timber urchin]

i think it would be far less interesting than how marathon infinity did it lol

[craggy tide]

and I'm still telling you it's not any different, all universes in any timeline will be different in context. This is very simple

[craggy tide]

everyone is basically just copying how marvel movies do it ngl

hoping Halo never goes down that route but just about every other game / media franchise more or less is if they have a "travel between universes" thing happen.

[timber urchin]

marvel really wasnt the first to do it, i think universe hopping has been a thing in various media for a while

they certainly made it popular for superhero flicks going forward though

[craggy finch]

Marathon approaches multiverse very differently from DC/Marvel where the gimmick is "what if X character was Y?"

It's the result of causality around a very specific individual making different choices

all of it is restricted to what Durandal does and the events on L'howon

[drifting garnet]

...well now I know you're full of it if your main touchstone is MCU movies

when multiverses have been a Thing for a while

[craggy tide]

i'm aware?

[forest gate]

What’s awareness like?

[forest gate]

Sliders was good, quantum leap was great

What if the anomaly goes the invasion of the body snatchers route instead of zombies

[visual lynx]

oh hey guys, we doing philosophy tonight?

[craggy finch]

Calling the Silver Timeline part of a Halo multiverse is like saying Uwe Boll's Bloodrayne is related to the games' lore

nah mate just a shit adaptation

[forest gate]

I’m always up for philosophical discussion

[visual lynx]

I'm just joking right here right now but hey take a look at my server tag

[craggy finch]

hello Phil

[forest gate]

Indeed, I was playing along! But I do like diving into philosophy.

[weary portal]

If it makes you happy to constrain yourself to that, go right ahead, I will on rhe other hand will be having fun drawing my own conclusions about how everything is connected

[craggy tide]

I prefer official canon, not made up head canon that doesn't actually apply to anything & should be treated as such.

[shadow smelt]

are there solo lobbies on perimeter?

[sage lark]

Theres solo lobbies on everything except cryo

[forest gate]

If it makes you happy then it can’t be that bad…

[weary portal]

The only thing that makes canon “official” is some person saying so, I will not let another person’s ideas take away from my enjoyment. Head canon superiority 🤷🏻‍♂️

[stiff hearth]

let people enjoy things ffs it is fun to speculate

[wooden wyvern]

is my hunch that darius was trapped by the anomaly correct? i've only gotten 2/5 corrupt ai data logs

figured it was humans but it doesn't make sense cuz he never went rampant it seems

or maybe he was contained for some other reason and they forgot/didn't get the chance to release him before shit went down

[visual lynx]

iunderstoodthatreference.gif

[visual lynx]

it's the top of a cereal box, after all

[weary portal]

I know it’s not really recent anymore but I just learned about what happened with Glenn Israel and halo studios/microsoft 😐 being a halo fan is just torture at this point

Or on topic, but it’s been bothering me

[forest gate]

I mean it's relevant-ish, but we go off topic a lot here and then bring it back

[craggy tide]

not really some person but the people creating the lore itself, you aren't making any new lore, therefore it might as well be irrelevant. aka head canon, aka nonsense.

[craggy tide]

Idk how this surprises anyone. Been the norm for the last 10+ years.

[forest gate]

Corpos are shitholes run by shitheads

[craggy tide]

tbh it's a pretty normal thing to happen in video game development in general. Even Bungie's had plenty.

[forest gate]

And pretty much at the root of everything that's wrong with the world today

[craggy tide]

We only hear about them now because social media has made things infinitely easier to spread around vs 20 years ago when your only real social media was Myspace / Facebook or Xbox 360 party chats lmao

[weary portal]

Just because it’s been the “norm” doesnt mean it should be continued to be accepted. If I spent 17 years of my life working on something I love and then forced out because some guy in a suit wants his best friend to be in an authoritative position and the only qualifications they have is the relationship to said guy. Or people being harassed and then when they go through the proper channels to report a case is quietly built against them so far as to plausibly deny any of their claims. Harassing people with the express intent of trying to get a reaction out of them that would give cause to fire…man screw Microsoft and halo studios

[craggy tide]

If I spent 17 years of my life working on something I love and then forced out because some guy in a suit wants his best friend to be in an authoritative position
This isn't what happened, what happened is disagreements happened & the "employee" stopped agreeing with the suits above. So he got forced out.
Whoever gets hired on next was out of pure convenience, but qualifications still matter.

Or people being harassed and then when they go through the proper channels to report a case is quietly built against them so far
Why you need proof, no proof = nothing happens = makes you look bad = people you reported it to look at you as if you're trying to get someone else fired = "yea we should probably fire this person."

This isn't a Microsoft or Halo Studios thing, this is literally how every single publisher / developer company in the world works and behaves.

[weary portal]

Yeah accept he has receipts and others have corroborated his claims

When you witness unethical and questionably illegal behavior or acts and you report it and HR builds a case against you for doing the right thing, rhen the whole organization as far as leadership is concerned is rotten and needs to go

Corporate culture in general needs to be eradicated

[forest gate]

I think most people who aren't sociopaths are sympathetic to this situation, the unfortunate reality is that the people who can make a difference are politicians and a lot of them a suckling at the teat of the big corporations

[weary portal]

All I’ve got to say is the rest of the world should do what Nepal did

[forest gate]

Grassroots movements take time to establish themselves and even then they can get derailed by infighting and external moneyed interests. The fact that John Locke was complete wrong in his assertation that people are rational, social and good at self-governance.

[weary portal]

Not sure how much I can allude to it without getting myself modded, but if you know, you know

[forest gate]

You can just look at something like Brexit where people absolutely had the wool pulled over their eyes by 2 shit heads with massive financial backing because the rich didn't like all the EU regulation and created a narrative that was absolutely false and people voted against their best interests

[craggy finch]

Again, this being a norm is a shit thing

[forest gate]

Objectively yes, but it's also an unfortunate reality that most of us have little power individually to solve

It requires collective action and that's tough to do

[craggy finch]

The game industry can’t implode soon enough, if only there was a way for the top executives to actually face financial consequences for the malice and incompetence that lead to the collapse of these jobs

[forest gate]

It's not exclusive to this industry though

[craggy finch]

Yup

Preaching to the choir

[forest gate]

I work for multinational corpo, I live it everyday

[craggy tide]

He specifically said he didn't have valid receipts, just because others "agree" doesn't mean it's valid.
Actual valid receipts would've saved his job & this entire fiasco from happening in the 1st place. Plus he'd easily be able to sue Microsoft over it.

Given that neither situation has happened, no valid receipts exist. Not solid evidence / proof anyways.

[weary portal]

There is. But not enough people are ready for it yet

[forest gate]

I wonder if Vulcan had tried to terminate us and we filmed a Traxus death squad coming for us if we would have valid receipts?

[craggy tide]

HR always builds cases against people that don't have solid proof / evidence of what they're describing as happening.
No, they don't just look at a bunch of people agreeing with him or saying this happened either because that's a mob mentality. Mob mentalities are toxic af.

Needs proof, no proof = no deal.

[weary portal]

Yeah but therein lies the problem. From what he and others have said HR didn’t even TRY to see if the claims were true

Which I am inclined to believe

HR is there to maintain the status quo that’s it

[craggy tide]

Didn't see this anywhere, as that was never said. Did you read what Glenn actually said or?

His follow up images from another presumed employee even said what he "saw" would be difficult to prove, which there's the problem. Lack of evidence / proof. Therefore instead of the "person" you're saying is doing these things without evidence, now you are the target because you just tried to get someone who's assumed to be innocent from HR's perspective fired.

[weary portal]

My information is secondhand , coming from a hiddenxperia video I watched the other day. I have admittedly not done any research for myself, maybe I shouldn’t, but I feel I can trust what he’s saying

[forest gate]

You know this not going to go anywhere. Nightlev will continue write in their antagnostic writing style and spout accurate but ultimately unhelpful rhetoric and BlueLotusCrown is going to continue to defend Grenberg because they're clearly empathetic and sympathetic to this situation

Best to agree to disagree and move on

[craggy tide]

I'm not being antagnostic, I'm just explaining how these systems work because there's clearly a huge misunderstanding (or just a severe lack of knowledge) about how any of it actually works.

[weary portal]

I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s being antagonistic I think that is unfair

[forest gate]

[craggy tide]

If you wanna read all of it, here it is.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenn-israel-19696485/recent-activity/all/

[weary portal]

My stance generally is screw corpos and their bs, so I probably will not agree with anything night is saying, and I’m sure it can be rationalized but to me I stop caring and thinking about anything the corp wants or justifiably can do the second an individual is slighted or wronged and it is quietly swept under the rug. I’m not looking to argue. Just sick of seeing this happen to people that just want to work on stuff they love

[craggy tide]

also here's a reddit post he made about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/1sboaao/miscellany_from_a_former_halo_art_director/

[weary portal]

Anyway, how about them jasper logs? I found my first one rhe other day

[forest gate]

What's in the jasper log?

I'm bad at remembering codex entry names

[weary portal]

He’s the kid talking about he hes surviving off of bugs and everyone is gone except him, I haven’t found any others but I’m pretty sure I saw someone saying something about how how was possibly being stalked by a compiler

[craggy finch]

Yeah that’s when he’s on the run

The logs become garbled written notes as well

[forest gate]

Ah yes I remember now

I think I've completed or nearly completed those

[pure wagon]

I’m still sad night marsh is season 2. I somehow gaslit myself into thinking it was mid season

[stiff hearth]

instead you get free kit only marsh instead

[craggy finch]

Duos are shut down until S2

[forest gate]

RIP duos

[stiff hearth]

this new mode is duo and trio

says in the announcement

[craggy finch]

I have a friend who could not care less about extraction shooters but is interested in the lore and I'm trying to entice him with possible duos

[craggy finch]

I think it means duos with no fill, so 2v3

viable in theory atm but a huge disadvantage

[stiff hearth]

not as huge since all free kits

speaking of i have my most alone time to explore maps and learn lore as rook

if you know how to avoid players, you can go for almost 17 minutes without encountering a single person giving you all the time to explore and check out map details

gone through pinwheel as last player with 5 mins just to check out stuff without any chaos lol

[pure wagon]

I do the same thing tbh. Rook helped me learn every map except cryo super thoroughly

[sage lark]

believe it or not played the first week of the wipe like that

lmao

was doable if everyone has shit gear

and no one knew how to play

[forest gate]

Is the C.A.R.R.I. event supposed to be launched this week?

[weary portal]

I am that friend

[forest gate]

Is Joe using the same tech Leela used to send the message back to earth?

[craggy finch]

I am also that friend but nutted up and bought it

[sage lark]

on the graphic they posted it just says In Season 1

[craggy finch]

That never even arrived so hope not

[forest gate]

RIP

RIPPERONIs

[sage lark]

honestly I could see the CARRI event being the setup for S2 narrative wise

COD did a similar thing with a warzone zombies mode and then a nuke drops which ended the Modern Warfare 2019 only mode and introduced Cold War

atleast as far as I remember

[forest gate]

Less important they never told us what the vandal buffs would be

[sage lark]

1.5h and we will see

🙏

[forest gate]

Indeed

[weary portal]

I know bungie seems to be building marathon out to be a pvp first experience but I really hope they do something to make the lore more accessible to the ones who are interested. I couldn’t care less about extraction shooters or the competitive side of it, old marathon brought me to nu-marathon

[craggy finch]

sliding into an enemy kills them, like that one Mega Man weapon

[stuck delta]

Yeah I wish the codex salvage was easier to come across
I still wish it dropped with a campaign ngl

[craggy finch]

I cannot get on board with that "I got what I paid for" shit because if the game shuts down then the story stops dead in its tracks and I got this game for the developing story

fuck off, those people

[craggy finch]

I'll even take a PvE where I can collect that shit in peace

[torpid briar]

I dont think theyre coming this week anyway, i think itll be next week. This week is probs just Recon. Ziegler did say the updates would be over the course of two updates not just the one

So we will probs hear about vandal changes this week

[forest gate]

I don't presume to know anything about much but I can see that the hardcore PvP player base probably cannot sustain a game that cost this much to make. Sweats are very small percentage of gamers and they'll drop this game when the next sweatier thing comes out.

[forest gate]

I assume they'll bake some of her cores' functionality into her base kit I don't really play vandal, I'm more of a Recon/Triage/Thief player myself

[craggy finch]

There's a lot of points where I think "yeah I can see why someone casual would immediately quit after this"

moments seemingly designed for sheer frustration that was some misaimed attempt at motivation but does the opposite

[forest gate]

Yeah, bungie with Destiny always seemed to err on the side of frustration when it came to introducing friction in the game

Like Friction is good but there's a limit that people can and will tolerate

[torpid briar]

Yeah i cant think of much to do with her tbh. One thing i was thinking was maybe letting her ult spread the heat resistance to the rest of the team, since as is she has literally zero functionality inside of a team, other than the agility allowing for aggressive positioning

[forest gate]

I like the ult idea

Allowing her to cancel her slide probably would help her too

[torpid briar]

Yeah for sure, i always forget the power of that mf slide lmao

[forest gate]

I've slid into so many things I didn't intend to when I have run her with a sponsored kit for the skin unlock

[craggy finch]

in terms of horizontal speed I just take Destroyer

he can do some juke parkour with the rocket jump too

[weak gyro]

Destroyer ended up my fav quickly just from the dash, it's a nice panic button to just be elsewhere fast to figure out what's happening

[forest gate]

For me I don't play destroyer simply because I don't like how bulky the shell looks

It's a silly reason but it's my reason

[torpid briar]

This is kind of a problem with Vandal. Her WHOLE THING is being fast, but Destroyer is significantly faster. He holds way less heat, but with mods, upgrades, and smart movement Destroyer can outpace Vandal

[craggy finch]

opposite reason for me lol he's the only one that kind of looks military (Security Officer reference as a bonus)

[forest gate]

praying for FemDestroyer

[craggy finch]

that's kind of Recon I guess

[forest gate]

Partly why I like recon

[craggy finch]

the running thread with modern UESC is that kind of xenomorph elongated looking head

Destroyer is something of a throwback in design

[forest gate]

I like the xeno look

[craggy finch]

I noticed it on a UESC riot control guy in the intro cutscene

the Sentinel also seems to have it too

[sage lark]

The 2 updates were in regards to the whole balance pass. The message was 2 weeks ago and there it said that next weeks update will be a part of those changes and the week after will be the other changes. Atleast thats how it read

[forest gate]

I wonder if they end up making male/female versions of each each shell to give people a better sense of inhabiting their chosen shell

[sage lark]

So I assume we will get vandal buffs too

[forest gate]

Yeah, I read it that way too

Hence my confusion about the lack of Vandal chatter

I mean I'm glad my girl Recon (who should've been named Hunter or Venatrix) is getting some love

[craggy finch]

there's Blackbird as a development name/shell series in canon now

[weak gyro]

Destroyer is fast, although in my experience that shell overheats so fast. I've seen clips of Vandal with the ult up and just... no heat at all.

[forest gate]

Recon is such a misnomer though for the shell

[craggy finch]

yeah she has more conservation options, Destroyer is all gas

[craggy finch]

Hunter would fit the general role better maybe

but then there's the Pfhor Hunter

[eternal shell]

sprinter vs marathon runner, pun not intended

[forest gate]

Go latin, Venator/Venatrix = Hunter

Go German and go Jaeger

So many options for hunter

[craggy finch]

every other class besides Triage and Recon has some potential acrobatics stuff going on

Destroyer just sprints at you like Usain Bolt on rocket boosters

[forest gate]

Usain bolt if he was a linebacker

[torpid briar]

Tracker works, but its kind of bland

[forest gate]

Stalker, Nimrod

[torpid briar]

Dah shit

[craggy finch]

lmao I have no idea why nimrod became slang for moron

it's a Biblical ass name and somehow turned into that

[forest gate]

It is weird

[craggy finch]

even a Marvel robot big bad character is named Nimrod

[forest gate]

Yeah, I don't how it happened

Personally I would given them all norse names since Bungie loves norse mythology so much

[earnest hatch]

Norse and Greek mythology is so over referenced in fiction, imo.

[forest gate]

True

[earnest hatch]

Probably because he opposed god by building the Tower of Babel.

[craggy finch]

Orion is a hunter god at least

[forest gate]

But I think it's also because the Greek and Norse gods are not infalliable and so they're more compelling than most mythologies

[craggy finch]

Cerberus is the UESC controller AI

[craggy finch]

Mjolnir armour being a Marathon reference kind of threw that SPARTAN thing out of wack but it was kind of salvaged with the Spartan Laser being Gungnir

so their equipment is just codenamed after Norse stuff

[earnest hatch]

That’s all gods in all religions except the Abrahamic ones. Mostly just the Abrahamic god is infallible and omnipotent. Basically all other religions have gods who are limited and more human in their flaws.

[eternal shell]

because of bugs bunny

[craggy finch]

I saw dis in a toothpaste commercial once

[forest gate]

Yeah, you're right. I'm not too familiar with the other mythologies so I didn't want to assume.

[craggy finch]

at least with Marathon the running motifs are also European legends (Durandal and Beowulf)

[forest gate]

Destiny incorporates some hindu mythology in it's lore

[craggy finch]

A Project Goliath ARG doc also refers to Sharur cyborgs alongside Mjolnir

Sharur being a mythical Sumerian weapon

Gilgamesh should be used for something in the game

Girugamesh

Enkidu

[forest gate]

The witcher helped expose me to some of Polish folklore

[primal comet]

how does the marathon lore tie into the old halo games lore?

[earnest hatch]

It doesn’t directly. Halo was originally going to be a Marathon sequel so there’s a lot of overlap and common themes though.

[frigid salmon]

Errr.. it actually does tie into the old halo games..

The ancient, god-like alien race known as the Jjaro in Marathon are explicitly confirmed in the original game's manuals to be the exact same species as the Forerunners who built the Halo rings. Furthermore, the chaotic "rampancy" experienced by the shipboard AI Durandal in Marathon was actually the foundational digital blueprint Dr. Catherine Halsey used to program Cortana in the year 2777. Even the main antagonistic alien faction, the Pfhor, eventually reorganized their slaver empire after the events of Marathon to become the founding San'Shyuum Prophets of the Covenant, cementing the shared, unbroken timeline between the two sci-fi epics.

[forest gate]

[earnest hatch]

No, the Jjaro were not confirmed to be the forerunner. Don’t know where you got that info.

[shell sable]

where*

[earnest hatch]

And reading the rest I’m not sure if this he’s trolling or not.

[shell sable]

yeah i think we should discuss and analysie if his troling

he could be a troll

[dreamy hawk]

If you run with the fact that CE used to be Marathon 4, but then ignore the fact that it became it's own thing, technically not terribly off.

But also objectively not true.

[frigid salmon]

Actually, if you manage to track down the rare, limited-edition physical manual for Marathon Infinity released back in 1996, it's right there in black and white. On page 42, in a lore margin note written from the perspective of the AI Durandal, he explicitly states that the Jjaro 'abandoned this galactic arm to take on the mantle of the Forerunners and construct the great rings.' Microsoft forced Bungie to officially retcon this direct connection when they bought the Halo IP in 2000 to avoid legal entanglements with Apple, but in the original 90s canon, the Jjaro and the Forerunners being the exact same species was 100% confirmed fact

[forest gate]

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood...

[earnest hatch]

He’s a troll, and probably using AI to generate this stuff.

[dreamy hawk]

Right. If you ignore the fact that none of that is the case anymore, it is technically true.

[shell sable]

i think we should figure out if hes a troll first

[primal comet]

thanks for the reply ill ignore this troll

[dreamy hawk]

So have we discussed the tides recently?

[shell sable]

what tides mate wtf are you tlaking about

[frigid salmon]

tides isnt canon

lets avoid that topic

[dreamy hawk]

What tides? The waves and tides.

[shell sable]

i dont care

[earnest hatch]

Read his profile, he’s a troll.

[forest gate]

The Tide Is High

[dreamy hawk]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/compiler-trace

[frigid salmon]

do NOT click that link

[shell sable]

anot clicking on that, you're trolling me oproabbnly

[frigid salmon]

can we get mods to ban him for posting external links?

[dreamy hawk]

:/

also lol lmao lol

[shell sable]

tell me what i have to type in google search

[frigid salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-elder-scrolls-stop-right-there-stop-criminal-scum-gif-16138905

[craggy finch]

man go fuck yourself

[stiff hearth]

bruh what is this weak ass ragebait

[craggy finch]

that link is safe, it's a fan made collection of in-game codex logs

[dreamy hawk]

Chat is weird this morning, I see.

[frigid salmon]

tell him what he needs to type into google please or ill have to get a moderator involved..

[forest gate]

i feel like these two are connected somehow

[stiff hearth]

piss off kid

[earnest hatch]

It’s interesting it’s used as a placeholder for Jjaro. Obviously a reference to “the battles were waves and the waves were battles”. Referring to the Jjaro as tides (something with constant waves) seems to suggest that the Jjaro were constantly at war of some sort.

[stiff hearth]

you’re not a moderator so you don’t get to go around making demands

[shell sable]

💤

[craggy finch]

I think two clowns have decided to grief the server

[dreamy hawk]

The P'fhor are also refered to as a tide.

[craggy finch]

fuck off, both of you

[rotund stump]

im crine just boot react

[stiff hearth]

yeah exactly. ignore and block these fools

[shell sable]

wtf

wtf did i do

[frigid salmon]

how can i post gifs in hrere

[craggy finch]

eh how do I get LTG gifs

[eternal shell]

bait used to be believable

[craggy finch]

someone get the mods here

[rotund stump]

just boot react lol

[forest gate]

was it though?

I've always felt ragebait is for small minded people

[eternal shell]

hehe got you to reply

[rotund stump]

no point arguing with hedonists who don't have a brain anyway just boot react 💀

[primal comet]

everyone just ragebaits now days... thanks for the legit replies though @earnest hatch and @dreamy hawk i appreciate it

[forest gate]

i replied, but out of curiosity not anger

[eternal shell]

thats fair

[primal comet]

what happens when you boot react?

[craggy finch]

basically you can think of Halo reusing a lot of old ideas that essentially served as prototypes

Security Officer is a proto-Master Chief

Covenant came from Pfhor

[stiff hearth]

it reports the message to the mod bot

[craggy finch]

The Flood originates from a cut Marathon 2 enemy type

[rotund stump]

they really should make it clearer 💀

more general support for the discord would be nice despite the genchat cesspool

cyac site pin would be cool

[stiff hearth]

you can also select the message and go to apps and select the marathon official app and it should allow you to report through there, but that doesn’t always work so they have a workaround

[craggy finch]

@primal comet Marathon 2 concept art
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/15gb4gq/i_hope_marathon_202x_brings_back_the_cut_fungal/

[rotund stump]

I just boot react it's easier lol

[craggy finch]

I'd like a fucking list of what words are automod banned

[rotund stump]

I mean

revealing just encourages more bypassing 😭

dogwhistles even

[craggy finch]

I used a word meaning "henchman" that certain internets people use for something less than wholesome and I get muted for one hour

fuck that

[dreamy hawk]

s*x, *eps*ein, and t*t are the ones I know of.

Fuck, shit, and dick are fine.

[stiff hearth]

and we got minors here whether you like it or not so it tries to keep the language to roughly pg13 levels

[dreamy hawk]

OH

And gen*tals will also get you time out.

[rotund stump]

I already know which one and it has a VERY different contemporary meaning LMAO

[dreamy hawk]

Ask me how I know what not to say.

[rotund stump]

Get with the times old man!

[dreamy hawk]

Minesweeper is easier >.>

[craggy finch]

yeah I used the word for what Varys from Game of Thrones is to describe my cat and got muted for one hour

[craggy finch]

it was the *** squad

[rotund stump]

I mean only one's enough so 💀

[sage lark]

for good measure

[craggy finch]

get him out KICK HIM OUT I TELL YA

[dreamy hawk]

I remember when trolling took effort. Kids these days don't know shit.

[shell sable]

mad?

[frigid salmon]

HAHAHAHA lord rolling getting a little upset

[craggy finch]

honestly at this point we need a fanmade cyberacme codex for what arbitary words are banned

[stiff hearth]

yeah, just know that abusing that system can get you in trouble as well, buddy

[dreamy hawk]

🤔 so very mad. My entire day is wrapped up in this conversation.

[sage lark]

just a matter of time now

[craggy finch]

griefing is one thing but a pair of clowns teaming up to do it is something else

[frigid salmon]

im a moderator

[dreamy hawk]

People gotta get their kicks somehow. Block both and move on.

[shell sable]

why are you not talking about lore

[forest gate]

these some sad kicks

[stiff hearth]

pretty pathetic behavior from a pair of married dorks

[dreamy hawk]

Some people have sad lives. 🤷

[craggy finch]

kicks above the waistline, sunshine

[dreamy hawk]

I hope they find happiness.

[forest gate]

true

[stiff hearth]

block and they cannot react to you

[dreamy hawk]

But they can still see you goading them. 🙂

[forest gate]

diabolical

[stiff hearth]

good

bait them into breaking more rules

[rotund stump]

best part is they don't even stick to their ragebait bit who tf calls out people being mad 💀 💀

[forest gate]

juvenile people

[craggy finch]

I think they moved here because gen chat has slowmode and the dopamine doesn't quite hit

[dreamy hawk]

The only people that get mad at rage bait in a discord channel are the same kind of people that rage bait in a discord channel.

[forest gate]

like i said ragebait is for small minded people

[stiff hearth]

game servers down so nothing to do but be annoying children

[sage lark]

"hue hue hue hey man lets join this game server and troll people, we dont have homework for school tomorrow hue hue"

[forest gate]

and IMO small minded people are less evolved than the rest of humanity

[primal comet]

thanks for the @craggy finch I never played the old marathon games whey were a bit before my time but i did grow up playing halo so its cool seeing what inspired a lot of the halo enemies

[dreamy hawk]

@primal comet it's never too late! They're freeeeee!

Freeeeee!

[craggy finch]

If you have the patience for old games I recommend at least the first one, free + Steam

[primal comet]

thanks! ill check it out forsure

[dreamy hawk]

Or if you hate Steam, there is Aleph One.

Or if you have iOS, they're on the app store.

[craggy finch]

I can kind of handle OG Marathon but I don't think I have the strength for Pathways into Darkness

[rotund stump]

retro games are a ton of fun once you get used to the controls and the trilogy's really fun and innovative for its time

first shooter at the time to have mouse aim

[dreamy hawk]

(I'd probably recommend that the least but I can hardly play anything on my phone.)

[rotund stump]

albeit being more about puzzle solving than blasting shit

[dreamy hawk]

You mean looking up guides online.

[rotund stump]

😭

you said it not my words LOL

[craggy finch]

tbh guides can only help so much with the millimetres required for Colony Ship for Sale

[icy prism]

Did I uh miss something

[craggy finch]

low effort trolling, I think they tried the main thread but it has slow mode

so they moved here

[rotund stump]

guide for how many more tax brackets owning a colony ship bumps you up into

[icy prism]

Ah I see I see

[earnest hatch]

Two losers so desperate to feel something that they actually put effort into coordinated trolling.

[forest gate]

effort is being generous

coordinated too

[earnest hatch]

For them, it’s probably the hardest they’ve worked their whole lives.

[rotund stump]

oh mods straight up banned both LMAO

win

[shell sable]

Marathon has what Halo and Destiny had in the beginning. Mystery. Once the Forrunner lore was completely revealed in Halo, and all the mysteries about the Darkness and collapse in Destiny was revealed, it kinda lost that sense of discovery. Marathon has that right now.

[craggy finch]

no they're still here

[rotund stump]

oopsies blegh

[dreamy hawk]

Now they sound like Fox.

[forest gate]

0.o

[stiff hearth]

a troll

[dreamy hawk]

Think instead of a wife he invented a couple of accounts this time instead?

[rotund stump]

are they even old enough

[craggy finch]

I want more logs of Caruso, I got quite a few regarding Reed

[forest gate]

The one who works at a space agency

[craggy finch]

just to see more of the bureaucratic shit Caruso had to deal with

[forest gate]

But also doesn't have people close by to get matches under 5mins

[dreamy hawk]

Caruso overrules Reed in a few decisions, too. I wanna hear more about the decision making during everything going belly up.

[rotund stump]

haven't seen any of the caruso logs I gotta catch up lol

[dreamy hawk]

There's like, two? And one is their pre-launch interview iirc

[craggy finch]

yeah at least at the beginning of the Anomaly, Reed exercised slightly more control but reassured Caruso as something of a half measure

Jasper believes that Reed should have just taken over

[dreamy hawk]

You hear Caruso talked about way more than you hear what they have to say.

[craggy finch]

logs with him are at least in the Traxus and NuCal priority contracts

[dreamy hawk]

Jasper thinks Caruso got the shaft 100%

Which feels fairly significant given that he was a teen/young adult.

Wonder if they had some kind of public execution or something when things got really dark. A scapegoat.

[craggy finch]

The idea of being sent to die might ring true, given that the top UESC officials likely knew something was up with Tau Ceti and sent them there for it

[craggy finch]

We are all monsters

[dreamy hawk]

Half true, at best, I'd argue. It was too much of an investment $$ for them to want things to play out this way. They knew something but they were confident it'd work in their favor, imo.

Hubris.

[craggy finch]

I want to know what got Reed in that state, he was begging for not only assistance, but a way back home

definitely not the invasion, in logs set after it he's calm and reasonable

[dreamy hawk]

He probably started to silence people; go full antitehtical to his morals.

[rotund stump]

wasn't reed on the marathon mid-invasion?

[craggy finch]

I think they may get around his absence from the first game as being colony side, plus he's very involved with New Cascadia's operations

[dreamy hawk]

The crackdown after the anomaly seems very dystopian and all of Reed's logs push how he's the opposite of that -- how he's a real man of the people.

[craggy finch]

makes more sense for him to be in charge

[rotund stump]

welp

better look up the logs myself

[craggy finch]

from 90s lore most of the security crew was pretty disorganised and didn't stand a chance against the Pfhor, with only the SO putting up much of a fight

[dreamy hawk]

I don't think he was? That's where the OG president was and other higher ups like Strauss, and none of them made it.

Or I misremember and Reed was just really lucky compared to the rest of executive leadership.

[dreamy hawk]

What experience do you have aboard a colony ship though?

[latent python]

Which character is the one voiced by Arthur Morgan again

[craggy finch]

Reed

Irish Morgan

Arthur O'Driscoll

[latent python]

No, Irish is a different guy

[craggy finch]

Davic Reed's VA is Roger Clark

it's more obvious in the launch trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXhQbF7TlbA

the Arthur Morgan voice comes out when he's shouting

[dreamy hawk]

Watching things like this is fun, now, becuase I can tell which audio logs they spliced together for that. 😆

[latent python]

Waste not

[craggy finch]

"We're all monsters" may be different takes of the final Reed log, but I'm still wondering where the may day is from

[dreamy hawk]

I think there's a log but that bit I might be wrong on. The others are all from codex entries.