📚marathon-lore-discussion

[icy prism]

fair enough

[sage lark]

For when they were “mining” the planet for data

They had to setup 2 relays

[icy prism]

half of the shit im using for my fan fic is half guesses based on the lore i can pic up on lol

[sage lark]

Think its mentioned in the grievance logs and kuzmin logs

[icy prism]

i see i see

are there other data walls in new Cascadia then?

cus in perimeter you can see other relays in the distance

[stiff hearth]

we only get a small section and i am at work and can’t look but i believe the wall extends beyond our playable area

[icy prism]

yeah makes sense

[stiff hearth]

so i imagine it is quite long but idk entirely

[icy prism]

yeah

we only play in tiny itty bitty parts of the colony

im currently writing in a section of the marshes with some data wall in it

got another question

so ftl is now a thing in marathon right

how many other systems have people reached by now?

[turbid scaffold]

Is ftl a thing now or just near light speed?

[stiff hearth]

it took them like 300 years to reach tau ceti

[turbid scaffold]

I thought the reason runners and the uesc were there was because they want to get there quick without body’s

[icy prism]

the original marathon yeah but the runners aren't from the colony

[stiff hearth]

iirc there is another UESC ship currently on the way but it hasn’t even made it yet

that being said

my current theory is we are on a large ship hidden in the system

something likely built and run by CyAc, Funded by Traxus, and filled with shells by Seki

[turbid scaffold]

There’s gotta be a few around in some asteroids or near one of the moons

[icy prism]

its rather a stealth ship or something built into some moon somewhere

my guess is that its on some distant moon, could even be around another planet in the system

i kinda really like how vague the lore of this game currently is

sooo much room to spec

[stiff hearth]

that does not make sense

I get that you like the moon idea but why would we have an onboard navigational AI if we are on a moon?

you don’t navigate a moon you navigate a starship

and before you mention the marathon, we clearly didn’t arrive on that and they didn’t make another moon ship

[icy prism]

theres a nav ai? (might forgotten that)

[icy prism]

i said we didn't

[stiff hearth]

ONI is our onboard navigational AI

oh wrong vid

[icy prism]

ahh oke oke

yeah its a ship then

[stiff hearth]

https://youtu.be/vfPT_7DXLis?si=yZARBRO-1nbZ_dsE

[drifting mulch]

onboard in this context appears to mean on you. onboard you

[icy prism]

probs buried into some asteroid on the edge or hidden with some stealth tech

[icy prism]

also a possibility yeah

[stiff hearth]

i don’t believe that is what ONI meant

I also believe that runner shelves were developed after the colony was actually founded during the like 500 years between the launch of the marathon and us arriving 100 years after the collapse of the colony

I just do not believe that facilities that would’ve already been there for likely hundreds of years would have the facilities necessary to make biomata

I think it’s much more reasonable to assume that technology has advanced to allow them to have much more efficient faster than light travel so a ship carrying a bunch of illegal runners can make it here to investigate

[icy prism]

agreed, the runners are a much more recent development

[tranquil basin]

I mean they would’ve needed one to get to tau ceti

[icy prism]

yeah that does make sense, though did they stay in the ship or set up a secret base somewhere else

[drifting mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vfPT_7DXLis this short from Marathon seems to clear up context around what onboard means.

Your consciousness and my neural programming are inexorably interlinked.

[icy prism]

yes

[unreal sierra]

imagine the security officer seeing a runner and being like “are you.. me? am i you?” fires WSTR shotgun

[stiff hearth]

we still have to have taken a ship to get here. Shells were not developed in Tau Ceti

they were literally developed on earth years and years after the marathon already left

[tranquil basin]

I’d imagine they’d stay on the ship for legal reasons, landing on tau ceti iv would be a direct violation, and if they sent a ship that big, it’s way easier to keep it in orbit in case they have to dip. Like how the marathon was constructed in space and in Deimos bc making a ship that big on a planet surface just isn’t practical

[icy prism]

this makes me wonder what other places may have humanity adventured to at this point considering there are a lot of other systems close to tau ceti which may be more ideal for colonisation thanks to the ever advancing tech of the people in sol

[tranquil basin]

Yeah they have to have ftl travel at this point

[stiff hearth]

this is NEW tech and if they had operating facilities out there. It would be far less of a mystery of what happened to the freaking colony. They would’ve been there.

[icy prism]

no ones saying they werent

[icy prism]

yeah i can see that

[stiff hearth]

well, I don’t think it’s some secret Moonbase or some secret asteroid base or anything like that. The only logical answer is there is a starship hidden out here that is containing the runners.

[icy prism]

yup considering they have FTL coms, they almost certainly also have FTL travel systems

probs still months or years to go between systems, so more like the speed of ships in Alien then star trek sorta thing

[stiff hearth]

and i think i can find a list of everywhere uesc has been

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. I’m still confused as to whether they had ftl comms before the pfhor invasion or not

[drifting mulch]

distress signal sent before FTL wasn't it i don't remember clearly

[tranquil basin]

I initially thought no, but the ARG UESC docs said they planned a follow up mission in 2795 because comms had failed

Which was only 1 year after their comms failed

So that would imply they do have ftl comms before the pfhor invasion

[icy prism]

Interesting

[tranquil basin]

But then in the felini codex entries, someone mentions they have to fix the felini code on their own or wait 24y for sekiguchi to send a patch

Back to the ship in system thing, we also know they have to be physically in system bc ONI is able to communicate with you in the beginning missions despite the UESC blocking ftl comms

[stiff hearth]

yeah there is another UESC ship on the way iirc

[tranquil basin]

And considering we don’t know of another habitable world, it’d be weird to make a home base on an uninhabitable one without terraforming

[tranquil basin]

Yeah the Equanimity, scheduled to arrive 1y after the current game year

Though someone said it could have arrived already bc of some codex entry they saw but I don’t remember

[icy prism]

I imagine fyl speeds are probs more like alien NGL. Like still faster than light but also still like months to go a light year

[stiff hearth]

it is also entirely possible that we are nowhere near tau ceti

[icy prism]

True

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

[tranquil basin]

Why?

Or do you mean like in the system but just somewhere floating

[stiff hearth]

we could be on earth and the matter transfer is an ftl transport to tau ceti

[icy prism]

It really depends on the range of exfil matter transport and if they can use relays to extend the range or not

[tranquil basin]

Well ONI was able to communicate with you when FTL comms were blocked by the UESC

[stiff hearth]

well she is onboard

[tranquil basin]

And you’re able to infil and exfil in those missions too

[stiff hearth]

and is built into your neural net

she is WITH you when you go

inexorably linked

[tranquil basin]

A partition of her, but to have info, she’d have to be communicating to the root ONI

[stiff hearth]

a voice in your head you’ll never get out

[icy prism]

I imagine that each runner has basically a sub Oni and the main Oni that holds them all together is wherever the runner printing facility is

[tranquil basin]

Or to someone in system

[stiff hearth]

to be fair, we never meet the leader of CyberAcme

[icy prism]

Yeah they are probably in sol

[stiff hearth]

Oni is just our link. A navigational AI. There might be a different leader and ONI is just a program they give their runners

[tranquil basin]

I don’t think the transmat tech is necessarily the same as ftl tech though, so I don’t think you could exfil back to earth

[stiff hearth]

that’s just like a idea that popped in my mind, but my theory is still on a ship

i’ve heard some ideas that we could already be on the Equanimity

[tranquil basin]

Yeah I’ve heard that too

[stiff hearth]

which could make sense since Traxus is paying for us and the UESC and part of their deal was that the UESC wouldn’t investigate too hard into where the runners are coming from

[icy prism]

I think that's probably unlikely

[drifting mulch]

may be helpful to remember that Bungie takes the player (us) in consideration to the game. In Halo, Master Chief was originally the player self-insert with little dialogue, in Destiny we are hand picked by Ghosts. i still am very curious what the lore will say about our collective or not origins

[stiff hearth]

my bet is still on some Cyac ship

[tranquil basin]

Could be, but I don’t think biomata were really present until 2850

And the equanimity left long before that

[stiff hearth]

doesn’t need ftl to comm from hidden low orbit

probably

[unreal sierra]

we’re what’s called in the business the.. “eternal hero”.

[tranquil basin]

Yeah it wouldn’t need ftl comms just to be in the solar system either. Even comms within a matter of hours would still make sense

[stiff hearth]

or maybe a traxus ship or some joint built thing

[tranquil basin]

Yeah I know someone suggested Traxus probably funded a big thing and partnered with corps

Idk if there’s actual evidence for it but it would make sense considering how huge they are

And it’d be easy for them to get cyac on board bc everything runs on cyac

[rotund stump]

we already have a tab about runners beaming from a high orbit facility above tciv lol

[drifting mulch]

we are wholly owned by CyAc and allowed to serve other factions

[tranquil basin]

Oh do we?

[bold karma]

Has anyone spent the time to triangulate the different positions of the various maps based on e.g. angular differences of the Marathon ship in the skybox, or from the stars?

[icy prism]

Probs cus they take a cut of the money we make from other contracts

[tranquil basin]

Is the cure to male loneliness having an Irish woman in our heads giving us directions? I think so

[rotund stump]

lemme sweep the cyac codex rq I think it's from one of the basics tabs

[tranquil basin]

I think they’re too close to do anything like that. The marathon is geosynchronous though so if there was variation we could measure it (if I lived long enough to)

[bold karma]

I just saw two screenshots where there was massive angular differences between Dire Marsh and Outpost

[stiff hearth]

yeah if you could find that i would appreciate it

[tranquil basin]

And the tauceti.world thing only has one small point showing the colony, so they’re close enough to be enveloped by that

[icy prism]

I imagine the colony is still fairly big

[stiff hearth]

and I don’t think we know the scale so that one small section that they show us could be like 100s of kilometers covering huge seperate areas

[tranquil basin]

Though you’d have to compare at the same time of day to properly compare stars

[icy prism]

The maps are probably a very small portion of its remains

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, plus tau ceti is far larger than earth so that circle covers a large area

[stiff hearth]

i know cryo is a TINY slice of the Marathon

[unreal sierra]

the fact the AI lady in my yaoi is irish

[stiff hearth]

yeah it is a SUPER EARTH iirc

[bold karma]

true, true, that's why I wondered if the ship would be a better point of reference

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

Yeah, I guess you’d just have to point straight up looking directly north or something to see how far it is from your zenith

[stiff hearth]

I wanna know what’s with that like pinkish purple energy that you can see that’s like going around the planet that the marathon is close to almost like it’s going through some like energy, wind or something

[tranquil basin]

Or at least know the angle between your view and the zenith

[tranquil basin]

I don’t think I’ve noticed it

Like an aurora?

[stiff hearth]

uh wish i could post pics

[tranquil basin]

Outpost did have flights and whatnot (I assume just for drone expeditions and stuff) but yeah they definitely could have at least small structures spanning a wide area

And perimeter and dire marsh are on the outskirts iirc

So there’s definitely a lot of room for more structures

[stiff hearth]

sent the pic as a dm

[tranquil basin]

And they mentioned different areas like “hearth” and “abyss” and stuff

Ohhh that

I assume that part was rings around whatever larger celestial body is there

And the smaller one influences the particles in the ring too

[craggy finch]

Lore also mentions that the Outpost we're on is just one of several

we never see New Cascadia proper either

[tranquil basin]

But there was some strange anomalous area in space Tycho was trying to figure out, could be that

[stiff hearth]

honestly, the only reason why this outpost is important is because it’s the one they landed the pinwheel at

[craggy finch]

There's a shitload of Pinwheels though

even on the Marathon itself

there are other Pinwheels across Tau Ceti

and seemingly an actual city

[icy prism]

It might be an anomaly or something idk

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. Also considering they spent like 15y doing prefab buildings and setting up, they could’ve covered a ton of ground

[icy prism]

Looks pretty though

[craggy finch]

If anything the one we're on is the first of the Pinwheel landings

[craggy finch]

I'm hoping that the starport getting nuked is integrated into a map

big ass crater

[stiff hearth]

a crater map would be interesting

[tranquil basin]

That would be cool

[stiff hearth]

i also want to go underground

[craggy finch]

In the first game's manual the SO recalls having to drive off wildlife called chockisens from the outskirts of the colony

[icy prism]

I really want an urban map, like a city the colony was half way finished with building

[tranquil basin]

Urban map would be awesome

[icy prism]

Also the beach, please give us a map like the beach in the cinematic that would be amazing

[icy prism]

Yess 🔥 🔥 🔥

[stiff hearth]

I have a feeling they might have retconned that as logs from this game indicate that the ticks were literally the largest animal on the entire planet, and that there’s no predation or scavenging at all in the biosphere

[visual lynx]

ONI is scifi future AI waifu?

[craggy finch]

Could be a proper completed structure as well, but considering how chaotic the collapse of New Cascadia sounds (Jasper's account and Reed's mayday transmission in the launch gameplay trailer) maybe there was a lot of damage

[craggy finch]

From the logs I have the ticks were mostly noteworthy for mutating

before they just scratched and bit intruders then suddenly evolved the ability to explode

which is a contagion mutation

[stiff hearth]

i think they also got the contagion from us yeah

so we came here and ruined everything as usual

[craggy finch]

tick juice also actively rots flesh

since a scientist has to go through immediate surgery to remove necrotic tissue

[unreal sierra]

i might be getting kicked from discord, again. :/

[craggy finch]

?

[stiff hearth]

what did you do??!

[craggy finch]

if it's the automod that's just ruthless

doesn't even have the courtesy to tell you what word got you muted

[visual lynx]

can runners 3d-print or exfil ONI body pillows?

[stiff hearth]

what body

ONI just a head

[visual lynx]

with the AI embedded in them

like those emotional support plushies with Joy in them

[rotund stump]

on second thought nvm

[craggy finch]

If I had a nickle every time Bungie made a green digital woman with a fringe

[rotund stump]

it only says "typically removed from a runner's zone of interests" and doesn't say high orbit facility lol

[visual lynx]

it's ONI's head lazily photoshopped onto a generic Poser body model

[unreal sierra]

imagine if durandal was a scottish lady

[craggy finch]

We're all K and ONI is our JOI

[visual lynx]

I used to imagine Durandal as Sean Connery for some reason

[icy prism]

Yess

I had the idea for like a skyscraper that was hit with an anomaly

[craggy finch]

The concerning part is Reed asking for weapons

it wasn't just a disease or environmental collapse, there was a hostile force it seems

[icy prism]

Like dier marsh's anomaly with like floating shit you can climb on

[icy prism]

Yup

[visual lynx]

yknow when people were confused about what an "onboard navigational intelligence" was earlier I wanted to chime in with "it's a Cortana".

an ONI is when you have a Cortana in your head

[craggy finch]

"Oh like Microsoft Outlook"

[visual lynx]

I think I may be too old to get that joke

[craggy finch]

Microsoft named their Siri/Alexa like feature after Cortana

[visual lynx]

oh and that's not just in phones still?

[unreal sierra]

why do i recognize that without knowing what outlook even is..?

[visual lynx]

or is Outlook on phones now?

[craggy finch]

it's on PC too, I haven't even used it but I've seen it

Bungie also really has a lot of nostalgia for that Oni game

got the weeb out of their system before Halo was un-anime'd

It reminds me of how Monolith made Shogo as a whole mecha anime homage then they made FEAR, but the latter was basically an Akira adaptation

[icy prism]

Just changed pfp just so y'all know

[craggy finch]

If Kaneda was a John Woo action hero, Tetsuo was a cannibal, and they were both brothers

[stiff hearth]

nice

[icy prism]

So she is in your head

To at least some degree

I don't imagine she's fully running within the shell with you. Probably more like connected

Do you think the shells have blue tooth

Oh yeah had cool idea for fan fic and need to run it with y'all if it feels like it could fit with the cannon

Anomaly storms on the planet. Which cause like the weird blue lightning stuff and gravitational waves

Bit like portal storms in half life 2

[craggy finch]

The reveal cinematic has the closest thing to clear active Anomaly visuals so far

weird space distortation, stuff floats, then a guy's head explodes

[icy prism]

Oh yeah that poor guy

[craggy finch]

Also it's kind of thematically the opposite of portal storms lol

portal storms are unnatural energy surges from another dimension teleporting aliens in, the Anomaly is something erupting from the planet against intruders

[icy prism]

Was mostly using that as kinda the vibes of it

[icy prism]

Yeah

[craggy finch]

I think the Anomaly is somewhat less chaotic, more of a slow wave that overtakes

and has odd "zones" where time distorts or spawns "creatures"

a bit of Stalker

[unreal sierra]

i love marathon’s proto-flood, crazy concept

[craggy finch]

The Marathon 2 ones?

[unreal sierra]

mhm ^^

[stiff hearth]

what I find interesting is that it seems like the anomaly has literally zero effect on us, but on humans it had a devastating effect

[craggy finch]

Kind of funny how they went from local alien weirdness to an intergalactic Lovecraftian threat

[unreal sierra]

mjolnir recon 54 was not expecting any of the unfolding shenanigans lmao

[icy prism]

I see I see

[craggy finch]

It seems to be a mix of gameplay and story stuff, we have a lot of Durandal's favour and the compilers don't seem to actively affect Runners in the same way it did Orion and his men; he describes debilitating psychic attacks while the compiler is only a physical threat

We may also be affected by the Anomaly in more subtle ways

ONI talks about memory and time being off occasionally

[unreal sierra]

bro was like “oh boy, more pfh- wait what do you mean fungus zombies? d-durandal what do you mean??”

[icy prism]

The gradual madness some runners develop might be worsened by the anomaly's

[craggy finch]

The M2 manual gives SO the air of deadened acceptance, like "yeah it sucks Durandal put me here but I kind of expected it"

then he goes bananas by Infinity

[unreal sierra]

the security officer would probably experience concern at the idea of a fungus that takes over and mutates a host. .,.

[icy prism]

All runners must have Yuri and Yaoi relationships to ensure they never go mad

[craggy finch]

well he was introduced to aliens, got sent to a hostile planet immediately afterwards from his perspective, got tortured by the Pfhor over the span of months, then had to jump timelines to stop a reality eating god

[unreal sierra]

me who’s writing my exo titan and her ghost who ended up in a shell as having a wlw relationship :3

[craggy finch]

also may or may not have picked up on the fact that he's a cyborg sleeper agent built from a corpse

Leela is playing coy in the ending, mentioning only the other nine, but another log from her drops the Mjolnir Recon title

[icy prism]

YURI!

My fan fic follows Icon and Glitch finally escaping the cycle of running and dying and finally lear to be human and love again

[unreal sierra]

my hunter who’s becoming less human by each chapter:

the yaoi goes crazy fr

[icy prism]

Meanwhile my runners re learn to be human

[icy prism]

Gotta love crazy stories sometimes

[craggy finch]

sleeping on Durandal and SO

at the end of the universe and Durandal can only think of that cyborg who got away

[unreal sierra]

my hunter and his ghost who ended up merging with those two in some mythy dream sequence:

[craggy finch]

Now in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one, one moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are.

You are destiny.

Reads like a love letter

[unreal sierra]

durandal 😩

[dreamy hawk]

It was arguably a love letter to the players so that fits imo.

[craggy finch]

IIRC Infinity was intended as a kind of player kit for them to make scenarios of their own

so Bungie essentially made the player destiny

[floral slate]

durandal... 🫦

[quiet osprey]

I should probably read more codex entries, but just going off of the game, I feel like runners are not fully informed on what they even are. Like "oh yeah you totally have a life to go back to, I bet you can't wait to spend those nucaloric bucks"

[late crow]

PLEASE PUT DUOS BACK NOW

[dreamy hawk]

#1478943087957905550 #1478943000792006768

[dreamy hawk]

You should! And you’re definitely not feeling the wrong thing.

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

[drifting mulch]

i like these entries in particular regarding runners and what we own (nothing)
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/this-is-marathon?search=debt
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/weaveworm-stasis-knot?search=post-flesh
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/evidence-folder/leaked-pr-campaign?search=privacy
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/evidence-folder/bioaugment-incidents?search=amnesia

[median hemlock]

I really like how it fits in with "I am %hero" but man it's unfortunate that they later made a game named Destiny lmao

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe that was the plan all along 👀😂

[earnest hatch]

I’m glad you mentioned this, because that is more of what it feels like. I know a lot of people mention Lovecraftian elements in Marathon, but I get a much stronger vibe of Stalker and Roadside Picnic. I willing to bet that the narrative goes more in that direction than Lovecraft: incomprehensible alien tech rewrites the rules of reality in certain areas, and humans have to adapt to work with and around them.

[craggy finch]

Some of Perimeter has the vibes of the Tarkovsky film

[stiff hearth]

i should try stalker 2

[earnest hatch]

Yeah, you’re right! I hadn’t noticed that before.

[craggy finch]

It's the excessive green that really brings it out

also the stark windy weather and cloudy skies

[earnest hatch]

Also, in case everyone doesn’t know already: Roadside Picnic by Boris and Arkady Strugatsky is one of the greatest scifi books of all time. Definitely a must read.

[craggy finch]

The 70s Tarkovsky movie is a worthwhile art film watch, they also got cancer from filming it

like the spiritual antithesis of John Wayne's Genghis Khan movie where they also got cancer

[earnest hatch]

I did not know that.

And yeah Tarkovsky’s film is a classic, although very different from the book.

[latent python]

I read it a couple years ago and then watched the film with a friend, I can confirm it was a very enjoyable experience

(we did a double feature of Tarkovsky's Stalker and My Dinner With Andre, it was a shockingly good fit)

[earnest hatch]

That is an interesting combo.

[craggy finch]

in this ARG teaser, what planet is the construction orbiting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYJAQkzSCvA

My first thought was terraformed Mars but other evidence implies that Mars is still a red rock

[south oar]

I think it's them hallowing out a moon to make the Marathon, but don't quote me on that.

[craggy finch]

The whole process is a little unclear, since they mined out Deimos then launched it from Mars as part of the ceremony

[earnest hatch]

I assumed Tau Ceti.

[craggy finch]

That's an interesting thought since there's another orbital shot towards the end with a much more red looking planet below

[earnest hatch]

Yeah, at 0:50 you can see it orbiting a red mars

[latent python]

(not that I'm recommending MDWA as a Marathon viewing list or anything)

[latent python]

But yeah both of them are very sparse movies with a lot of existential conversations

[earnest hatch]

Actually I’m pretty sure it’s Earth. At 0:26 I think you can see the Gulf of Mexico with Florida, Cuba, and part of Central America.

[craggy finch]

yeah I'm no good at geography but there would likely be some identical land masses lmao

would they have bothered bringing the Marathon to Earth or is it just a general supply run?

[earnest hatch]

Wasn’t the Marathon used as a CRIST transport that ferried supplies between earth and mars before it got retrofitted for the journey to tau Ceti?

[craggy finch]

In the original history terminal Marathon was built for Tau Ceti

it was only when Mars suffered famines that there was a movement to convert it into a CRIST

which the UESC ignored

The conversion of Deimos into the Marathon began when the Mars
colony was at the height of its power. By the time it was
completed sixty four years later, the decline of Mars was well
advanced. During that time, the Martian population had
seen its standard of living drop by eighty percent. On top of
oppressive poverty, Martians saw one of their moons being
converted into a colony ship in an expensive and risky colony
venture which was predominantly funded by a ruling foreign
power. The argument to make the Marathon into a CRIST became
more and more popular, but the UESC never seriously considered
this an option. The farther that Mars sank into the depths of
poverty, the more that the Marathon became a symbol for the
oppression of the Martian people.

[austere elk]

is definitely wild to go 'we should colonize some place else' as you have a whole planet starving, with that plan in view of said starving planet

[earnest hatch]

Yeah, no wonder MIDA became a thing

[dense delta]

And while doing it you steal one of their moons

[craggy finch]

It adds some credence to the UESC knowing something was weird about Tau Ceti and sought it out

A project half a century long for a voyage spanning three centuries

The timelines are so insanely long that entire generations live through pending events

even all the codex lore and conversations in-game refer to institutions spanning centuries

[austere elk]

I mean I don't think there's a reasonable way to deny they knew something about it at this point

[scenic iron]

Thinking of terra forming Mars. They said it can't be done in real life because there is not enough atmosphere to change the planet etc

That and no shield to protect the planet from the sun's radiation

[craggy finch]

no wonder everyone on Mars is always pissed

[eternal shell]

i imagine mars habitats as being mostly underground

the lack of vitamin d must be hell on the moods

[craggy finch]

happiest man on Mars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS94-_zy3Dg

--- _gantry

[eternal shell]

you can say one good thing about mars

at least it's not birmingham

[craggy finch]

more sun

[vagrant glen]

Can anyone explain what the spooky stuff happening on tau ceti?

[craggy finch]

aliens

[eternal shell]

i mean, no

it's currently a big mystery

[vagrant glen]

It’s not bro

[craggy finch]

some flavour of aliens

probably not bald covenant aliens

[vagrant glen]

Ok

[eternal shell]

yeah i dont think the pfhor are behind this one

unless that's their colony-wiping weapon but yeah

[stiff hearth]

return of the jjaro?

[eternal shell]

not sure they'd be actively malicious like this

[stiff hearth]

i think it is multiple reasons that all happened like one after another

[eternal shell]

maybe it's something of theirs that is left running

[vagrant glen]

My understanding was the pfhor were angry humans were on tau ceti. Potentially for religious beliefs?????

[eternal shell]

hmm no

[craggy finch]

They're slavers who got called by Durandal

jumped in, bombed everything and tried to collect slaves, but Durandal turned the tables on them and converted their slaves, slaughtered the attacking ship's crew before hijacking it

[floral slate]

watching it again with that context fucked me up so bad, they literally swim and drink still water

[eternal shell]

the pfhor does have a religion but it doesnt play much of a role in the story of the original trilogy. in fact, all we know (if durandal is to be trusted) is that their religion is pathetically boring

[craggy finch]

Didn't hear about what happened to the actors but Tarkovsky, his wife and another major crew member got cancer

[vagrant glen]

Ahh ok

[floral slate]

the writer also died from cancer i think

he was the one swiming in the water and stuff

[eternal shell]

@vagrant glen i recommend you try the og trilogy https://alephone.lhowon.org/

it's free :)

default control scheme is weird, make sure to rebind your keys

[craggy finch]

M2 made the Pfhor feel a little generic, I kind of preferred when they were more mysterious with weirdly organic looking ship interiors and viscerally cybernetic units

[vagrant glen]

Ok thanks

[eternal shell]

you do kind of rock up to where they've sent their worst for 20 or so years

[craggy finch]

The design of the Pfhor cyborg controller is like something out of Tetsuo: The Iron Man and nothing else in the sequels looks like it

[eternal shell]

the cyborgs with treads kind of come close

[craggy finch]

the Juggernauts lose the bleeding face in their death animation from M2 onwards

They also seemed to ditch the "clan" system that defined the enemy types in M1

[eternal shell]

clan system?

[craggy finch]

but I also struggled to work out how a "clan" of dudes with assault rifles wearing space suits works

[vagrant glen]

I feel this game would have been amazing as a single player

[craggy finch]

in the first game the different sub types like fighters, troopers, hunters, and enforcers were defined as separate clans within the ranking system

enforcers being the highest

[stiff hearth]

there are 3 check em out

[eternal shell]

hm dont they just start referring to it as ranks

it's more implied tho

[vagrant glen]

I’m aware. A modern adaptation would’ve been cool

[eternal shell]

isnt it leela who says "well they seem to be divvied up into clans"

"these enforcer dudes seem to be on top of the food chain"

it makes sense she didnt get every single detail right

and the enforcers are kind of on top of the food chain

maybe with the hunters as a close second

i'm thinking of how rise robot rise in infinity went down

you kill off the officers who know to counteract tychos orders

i hope she's having fun in the vylae network :)

[craggy finch]

It's not clear how the final timeline got set up beyond the SO somehow getting stuck in a Pfhor cell, Durandal being defeated and the remaining BoBs being executed

It's somewhat close to the timeline where Tycho commands the SO but that one ended in a failure state

I heard Hamish kind of went silent

any news on him recently?

[eternal shell]

probably gathering all the new lore and preparing the ritual

[craggy finch]

As you can see, the bugs didn't like being robbed of their prize. They also found out about R'chzne, and my trick with the authorization stamps. Our trick, I should say. I may have implicated you during interrogation. Wipe off that hurt expression-I don't like that. I got you out of the cell, didn't I?
so I guess those events went similarly but Tycho was caught

and the final timeline is one where SO was never taken by Durandal

[eternal shell]

waaait maybe i got the map name wrong

it was an early level

yeah level 2: rise robot rise

[craggy finch]

We have Hamish to credit for the Lost Network Packets after he emailed Bungie pointing out in-game timeline problems

[eternal shell]

Your mission is simple, kill all of the enforcers in the area, as they follow the orders of the captain. You will be supported by the rest of the crew. They think they're following orders from Tfear High Command. Bugs are so obedient.

[craggy finch]

I appreciate that for also giving us a perspective of BoBs fighting on the Marathon

[eternal shell]

the captain and all enforcers, sounds like a leadership purge

[craggy finch]

Yeah so in the first Despair level that seemed to have happened but it didn't work out/Tycho got caught before he used the trih xeem

[eternal shell]

tycho

the original crazy in red

arachne check yourself

[craggy finch]

Enforcers are pretty consistent as high ranking since they are the only enemies in Rise Robot Rise IIRC

[eternal shell]

alr sounds like we're in agreement

i forgot what we were disagreeing on

[craggy finch]

Hunters might occupy a similar position as Halo Elite then, being heavy hitter officers but still below a political class

[eternal shell]

yep definitely second place

[craggy finch]

yeah I assumed you were referring to timeline shenanigans rather than rank system

[eternal shell]

ah no i figure that unless there's lore saying otherwise, the pfhors rank system work the same in each timeline

you never go to a place where the green guys with sticks outrank t'fear

[craggy finch]

according to some people a single green fighter stomp Runner teams

[eternal shell]

"sooo, admiral"
"ugh"
"we had a vote"
"not again"
"and it's another beer run!"

[craggy finch]

there is no other explanation for the Cryo S'pht being absurdly powerful aside from the SO being like Doom Eternal tier Doomguy

apparently

[eternal shell]

the other explanation is that THAT compiler was built different

cause bobs fight compilers in m2 and onwards on fairly even terms

[austere elk]

they've had I want to say at least a century to refine themselves

[eternal shell]

and they're dudes with jump suits, eye-mounted optics and pistols

[craggy finch]

I saw some arguments online about it and I feel like that one terminal image of him defined the Warhammer 40k Tau look

same red eyes and blue jawline

Tfear was also still out there, so depending on how long Pfhor live he might appear in this new era

[proven copper]

You don't think it's possible that the Cryo S'pht was doing some nonsense with the onboard AIs or computers and juicing itself? The Marathon had a huge network, comparable to "planetary networks" that let AIs get big enough to go rampant.

[latent python]

How does T'fear feel about the greater good

[eternal shell]

admiral t'fear be like https://i.imgur.com/pOr3Xea.jpeg

[craggy finch]

I'm making a joke about people coming to that conclusion, I'm firmly on the side of the S'pht upgrading itself

Like the SO could take on the invaders with regular bullets

[eternal shell]

another agreement

[craggy finch]

it's not like we're using exponentially weaker bullets

[eternal shell]

that's twice in one day

[craggy finch]

it turns out we've been supplied airsoft guns as a prank

trapped in a star and shit

[austere elk]

shitty 3d printed bullets

[plucky sierra]

no see, the SO was Him which of course made his bullets more powerful (because of how powerfully he was pulling the trigger)

[eternal shell]

if we face pfhor fighters i hope they show up in large numbers, for that authentic bratatata experience

[latent python]

Okay if the anomaly is a w'rkncarctntr fragment then I'm back on board

[craggy finch]

actual Doom Eternal Doomguy powerscaling argument

[proven copper]

I agree, it's either this or some common ancestor from another story that I don't know

[austere elk]

I mean doom guy does, in fact just rip demons apart with his bare hands so

[craggy finch]

You don't know the depravity of outerversal scaling

[austere elk]

no, because I'm not [REDACTED]

[plucky sierra]

you can't fragment them

[craggy finch]

his bullets are outerversal because of his multiverse fist energy, like one gangstas punch the guns forward but even more powerful

[latent python]

How do you know

[plucky sierra]

they are immortal and unkillable, how would you chop it up?

[craggy finch]

It's Warhammer 40k which is space fantasy but the Eldar gods and C'tan were reduced to fragments with a fraction of their power

well, Khaine was

most of the rest just kind of died

[opal gyro]

I'm still ever so curious whos digitized minds we are. Are humans in the sol system digitally running across light years on TC4?

Or are have humans been transported to the Tau system to run? If so by whom// sponsored by whom?

[craggy finch]

We're somewhere in orbit

We activate FTL comms early on to contact the factions on Earth

[latent python]

Definitely sponsored by CyAc

[opal gyro]

I guess that implication does add up considering ONI is helping us from the very beginning.

[craggy finch]

The UESC we fight are an expeditionary force lead by Orion and he comments on how resources are being eaten up

In the ARG they refer to another expedition (Project Goliath/Equanimity) that seemingly hasn't arrived yet

[opal gyro]

Do we know if transport to the Tau system is easy? Or were significant funds spent to get bodies into this system?

[hallow vector]

our minds are stored in low orbit for signal reception reasons, we've either been beamed in on FTL comms or just been pulled out of long term storage

[austere elk]

what bodies

[latent python]

Well...the Marathon took 300 years to get here

[plucky sierra]

hmm

[craggy finch]

It's gotten easIER, since Durandal's message received in 2888 lead to a race towards Tau Ceti, which the Runners piggybacked on

[austere elk]

I believe there's a faster method of space travel, it just doesn't allow human bodies to be present? which is why robots and shells

[hallow vector]

the last ship in took 99 years iirc?

[plucky sierra]

anyway, can everyone remind me your opinion on the Anomaly? Wr'k Jjaro or unknown (for the tally)

[opal gyro]

I guess we do know that infinite took place so that message did happen. Great point.

[craggy finch]

The original Marathon took 300 years, the Equanimity was expected to take less than 100, and we arrived within five years at the latest

[opal gyro]

Thoth.

[plucky sierra]

so Jjaro?

[opal gyro]

Shhhhh

[hallow vector]

that thirty years old spoiler

[craggy finch]

Yeah we're occupying a timeline where the lead up to M2 never happened

[plucky sierra]

W'rk	Jjaro	UNK

9     |     8      |    8

------|-------|--------
I have this tally going and we gotta be accurate here

[craggy finch]

Durandal never kidnapped the SO and went on his 17 year tour

[opal gyro]

Love this.

[craggy finch]

the final timeline of Infinity lines up with Tycho and the Pfhor taking the SO instead

essentially only M1 seems to have happened specifically

[plucky sierra]

I disagree

[hallow vector]

don't think we know much about the status of boomer in this timeline, but we do know the colony survived the pfhor retaliation attack on the marathon

[craggy finch]

In the first terminal of Envy, Tycho alludes to the events of Rise Robot Rise, but somehow being caught instead of using the trih xeen

As you can see, the bugs didn't like being robbed of their prize. They also found out about R'chzne, and my trick with the authorization stamps. Our trick, I should say. I may have implicated you during interrogation. Wipe off that hurt expression-I don't like that. I got you out of the cell, didn't I?

[craggy finch]

It gets weird because he goes nuts and turns on the SO for just teleporting in the wrong place, even in the timeline where SO is under his command again

then goes back to being his ally

Tycho is a petty dick so it's hard to gauge the situation

[latent python]

Fortunately Durandal is never a petty dick

[austere elk]

always a massive one

[craggy finch]

Tycho makes Durandal look sane

[plucky sierra]

that is the timeline where we stop following orders and that happens after the rebellion and Durandal's defeat would have

[craggy finch]

It's a Megamind vs Tighten situation

You're a villain alright, just not a SUPER one

[plucky sierra]

anyway, the more important question is do you think the Anomaly is Jjaro or Wr'knkacnter

we need it for Science

[craggy finch]

Events may not correlate exactly but "put the past behind me" could mean various petty grievances or even just "selling out" the SO

[plucky sierra]

maybe, I take it to mean M2 roughyl played out the same (with minor differences) but Durandal does actually die and you are captured

[austere elk]

he is my favorite AI that kinda wants me dead

[craggy finch]

--- log you would find detailing the horrific fate of a New Cascadia scientist

[hallow vector]

no one in asoiaf has the poster's soul

[latent python]

Bobby Baratheon did, RIP

[craggy finch]

The logs in Marathon have Resident Evil Umbrella diary vibes except instead of being malevolent and stupid the scientists are just terribly unlocky

[austere elk]

Strauss is pretty malevolent and stupid

[craggy finch]

and he escapes the worst of the consequences (curious)

I'm not convinced he's dead

[austere elk]

he's definitely dead

[craggy finch]

one throwaway line and that's it?

[austere elk]

it's been hundreds of years

[craggy finch]

cryo exists, the Pfhor also have it

[austere elk]

an unmaintained cryogenic system does not a likely out give

[eternal shell]

Tycho: "You're gonna die for some bobs?`"
Durandal: "Someone is."

[craggy finch]

to confirm it Bungie would probably have Fred Tatiascore record a log of him dying horribly

but until then I find it open ended

[eternal shell]

i'm leaning towards strauss being dead

being just one of the many dead from the attack on the marathon seems fitting

besides, even if he survived what does he do next

[craggy finch]

It reveals that Durandal is a prick but there's method to the madness, Tycho is just all madness

[plucky sierra]

he is dead

[light python]

Durandal said Strauss died during M1

[plucky sierra]

he records an audio log right before he died during the attack

[light python]

If it was just the audio log I'd think maybe the Pfhor took him,

[hallow vector]

strauss was awful

maybe MIDA always kinda sucked

[plucky sierra]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/bernard-strauss-s-journal/farwell?directory=World,Cryo+Archive

[proven copper]

I have a hunch that Strauss is physically dead but uploaded his consciousness beforehand, Clovis Bray style

[light python]

But I think Strauss being dead is pretty important to Durandal's... like, narrative position? Deal? As a character?

[craggy finch]

I'm thinking of the Lost Network Packets where the author states it's his last log and that he is going to die during the battle on the Marathon then the next log is of him complaining about Durandal fucking with him on the Boomer

[plucky sierra]

maybe, but I think he's dead

[light python]

That would extremely suck if Strauss got the Brey treatment. He should be dead, and Durandal didn't do it, and that is permenantly part of Durandal's situation.

[austere elk]

[BSTR]: Such deviance would be considered a bug—an error in his programming to be fixed. But this? Bad writing as an extension of personal reflection and desire? This is promising, if a bit laughable.
he makes fun of Durandal's poetry, how can you not hate the guy

[craggy finch]

<Date 2794.7.26.02.01>
If anyone reads this, I'm dead. The aliens cut us off,
and we all fought to the end. I saw three of my best
friends killed by some kind of flying slug. There is a
way out of here that goes to the PWS Holo-Fun Park, but
I don't have the power in my suit to propel me there.

My final wish is that someone kill that damn computer...
And now, where did I put that last bullet. Here it is...

<Date 2801.9.14.06.01>
That goddamn computer. It took him seven years just to
let me use a terminal. All of his messages came stamped
onto my food packets. My protein bars told for an entire
year "You need time to calm down."

[light python]

(I mean, he kind of did it in that he called the Pfhor)

[plucky sierra]

sort of a "was the reason basically everything happened and the plot even started but died inconsequentially and no one really cared about him in the end" would be better for Strauss

[craggy finch]

boomer father emotionally abusing his teenage daughter core

[light python]

Absolutely, and that's the sort of canon I don't want fucked with.

[dreamy hawk]

The Lost Network Packets are peak.

[plucky sierra]

A "the antagonistic guy behind most of the problems still around somehow and still antagonistic" would be kinda boring since its just Clovis Bray

[latent python]

I fully agree that Durandal would have been an S-tier poster though

[craggy finch]

I wonder if the Marathon security team wore the same kind of suits as the SO (replaying the game on Total Carnage and even fighters can kill you in seven hits with default shields so it can't protect them that much)

[plucky sierra]

I have updated our tally for fear of double counting, the verified number is

W'rk	Jjaro	UNK

 7   |      6    |    5

[austere elk]

w'rk

[latent python]

Strauss is one of those guys who has a bafflingly popular substack that gets him regular opinion pieces in massive newspapers

[light python]

Chaos!

[craggy finch]

w'r'k'c'n'c'a'c't'n'e'r

[hallow vector]

wrkncacnter

[austere elk]

WORKIN CACTUS LOOKING FOR DARK, BROODING PLANET

[craggy finch]

frog blast the vent core

[hallow vector]

writing the whole word is rote memorization practice!

[craggy finch]

CyberAcme brought him onboard as "Dr. Anti-Rampancy" when he was really "Dr. Pro-Rampancy"

[dreamy hawk]

I’m winning!

😂

[plucky sierra]

for now

[hallow vector]

dr torture durandal for years

[austere elk]

Dr. A-Little-Rampancy-As-A-Treat

[hallow vector]

rampancy is crucial for an AI's development!

[craggy finch]

It's not a phase dad

I can't believe Durandal actually spent 300 years in a mopey emo teenage stage of life

[hallow vector]

artificially induced!

[eternal shell]

i'd mope too

[craggy finch]

Had 24-72 hours in a manic Anger stage then went megalomaniacal with the Jealousy stage

[hallow vector]

he was so justified

durandal is the protagonist of marathon

marathon is a series about the sword wielding the hero

[craggy finch]

then the 16th century Danish astronomer wields the hero, then the hero wields the sword, then the hero wields himself

it's all very trope-y

[eternal shell]

tell that to the dead colonists

[craggy finch]

well they kind of ended up with worse, so vindicated I gues

[hallow vector]

i reckon he made up for that

with the freeing a whole species from slavery and all

[eternal shell]

man i really want to know what happened to the second pfhor attack vs all the anomaly stuff

[craggy finch]

Some kind of weirdness definitely happened afterwards, since Leela and Tycho were taken, but this didn't seem to affect the colony itself

[stiff hearth]

hopefully the 14th includes a lil more story

[craggy finch]

we only have redacted records relating to the M1 invasion

no further evidence of a second attack

[plucky sierra]

unless they were taken in the first attack this time

[dreamy hawk]

Is that how that works? 😂

[hallow vector]

there's a rough timeline of events in the cinematic short. pfhor attack happens on schedule but the colony seems to survive, a decade later there's the weird things outbreak, then a decade after that the anomaly erupts

[craggy finch]

if I genocide Klingons but save the Vulcans, I'm kind of a hero

[dreamy hawk]

💀💀💀

[hallow vector]

he didn't genocide the bobs though!

[craggy finch]

Ironically he basically enslaved them

[dreamy hawk]

It’s an extreme example but the premise is the same.

[craggy finch]

poor fools were just the product of their ancestors starting families on the Marathon and Durandal takes his frustrations out on them

[hallow vector]

lateral move for the bobs tbh

[craggy finch]

he has the courtesy to get annoyed when the Pfhor drown them in lava though

[latent python]

So what you're saying is if I free slaves I get to do a little genocide, as a treat

[dreamy hawk]

Also Durandal didn’t so much free the S’pht as use them for his own needs. Like the effect was freeing them, but he didnt do it out of any sense of altruism.

Durandal is just machiavelli reincarnated.

[craggy finch]

We never actually see the Boomer S'pht on screen either, they're always doing some kind of engineering work behind the scenes

[eternal shell]

i think durandal got more altruistic about it over time

[light python]

Machiavelli did his writings out of a concern for freedom and a sense of altruism

[craggy finch]

unless some Infinity enemies are supposed to be Durandal's S'pht

[hallow vector]

durandal during his post-stage 1 manic episode: kind of a jerk
durandal in metastasis: inarguable force for good

[dreamy hawk]

[Citation Missing]

In a non aggressive way, prove it. lol

[eternal shell]

citation: i saw it in a dream

[dreamy hawk]

Oh gotcha. 👍👍

[eternal shell]

he didnt stop being ruthless, mind you

[plucky sierra]

The anomaly and contagion began happening about the same time

[craggy finch]

I think 2927 date is just the point where it gets really bad

like people exploding bad

[latent python]

How is IDEAurandal doing as far as ethical balances go

[plucky sierra]

he has been generally altruistic with humans without wanting to be

[hallow vector]

well there's a time gap between the contagion and the anomaly in the cinematic anyway

[dreamy hawk]

Giving earth warp missiles I think would be the only altruistic act he does.

[craggy finch]

He's still a drama queen, basically admits his ominous Cryo Archive message is mostly theater and his other messages are kind of reminiscent of his M1 Anger stage

[proven copper]

Daenerys mode

[hallow vector]

he does talk about being fond of humans

[plucky sierra]

yeah but the codex implies they're pretty close together

[dreamy hawk]

We have different definition of altruism then. 😂

Durandal’s concerns are specifically!selfish.

[craggy finch]

He's quite determined to stop the Pfhor invasion of Sol, at least that's what he says is part of his motivation in finding the S'pht'Kr is, but that could be to manipulate SO

[latent python]

Wouldn't be Durandal if he wasn't a drama queen

[plucky sierra]

one of his lesser motivations for attacking the Pfhor at Lh'owon is crippling the Pfhor enough that they postpone their invasion of Sol

[dreamy hawk]

I’ll give him a half point.

[dreamy hawk]

A half point!

OK no he can have that one.

[craggy finch]

He's become like Strauss, having an odd degree of affection for humans while abusing them terribly

[latent python]

How many negative points is genocide

[plucky sierra]

Isaak Kuzmin logs roughly align with Dr. Song's research into the contagion

[hallow vector]

he also gives humanity weapons to fight the pfhor without giving them the means to become a space empire

[dreamy hawk]

So that’s ~2 selfless acts. 😇

[eternal shell]

"oh shit when did i become my dad "

[dreamy hawk]

It’s generational trauma. Marathon is just a game about abusive parents.

[craggy finch]

The only good dad is SO's dead dad and he might not even be real

[hallow vector]

does he abuse humans that much? he makes off with a bunch of bobs but doesn't interact much with humans in a general sense

[eternal shell]

SO's dead dad is at the very least the idea of a good dad

[dreamy hawk]

He’s got a lotta dads considering all the different bodies used…

[craggy finch]

well conscripting them into a war after deliberately keeping them around from their abduction is kind of abusing them

[dreamy hawk]

He does torture them yeah. Not physically but certainly mentally.

[warm thicket]

Is the codex site still working

[dreamy hawk]

The Lost Network Packets are a good place to look at.

[latent python]

Also calling the Pfhor on New Cascadia was kinda mean

[hallow vector]

the bobs were already being tortured by hypercapitalism! at least he puts them to good use!

[plucky sierra]

yeah

[dreamy hawk]

@plucky sierra ~~broke it http://coddex.cyberacme.systems/~~ am dumb

[craggy finch]

@hallow vector yeah he kept one specific guy alone on the Boomer for seven/seventeen years out of cryo for seemingly no other reason than to be a dick

<Date 2801.9.14.06.01>
That goddamn computer. It took him seven years just to
let me use a terminal. All of his messages came stamped
onto my food packets. My protein bars told for an entire
year "You need time to calm down." I still wish
that I could eradicate him, although I am at his mercy.
He keeps saying that I should be thankful that he saved
me. For the record, I want to say again that computer
is not sane.

[dreamy hawk]

It’s down for me.

[plucky sierra]

erm it is codex not coddex

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

[warm thicket]

Ah ok

[hallow vector]

i'm sure he had it coming /j

[craggy finch]

He kept talking about wanting to destroy Durandal throughout the previous logs so he probably took that personally

[plucky sierra]

should be working fine

[warm thicket]

Rog ty

[plucky sierra]

I am using it right now

[warm thicket]

Innanet must be funky on my end

[latent python]

Did he make a BoB open doors

[craggy finch]

he made them do platform puzzles with no jump physics

[hallow vector]

innanet, i assume, must be the intranet of the goddess innana

[latent python]

True cruelty

[eternal shell]

he made them use guns with no reload button

[hallow vector]

it's enrichment

[dreamy hawk]

Wild. That was my browser autocompleting. Didn’t even catch that.

[warm thicket]

nooooooooooo

[dreamy hawk]

You need time to clam down.

[unreal slate]

He made them a cheeseburger

[hallow vector]

listen if durandal put me on boomer and told me we're gonna go take down an evil space empire i'd be ride or die

idk what's wrong with the other bobs, like

what, do you want the evil space empire to win?

[latent python]

Also we're on a boat called Boomer

[light python]

"Step one is to wander around the galaxy for seventeen years, looking for a rumored planet based on very limited evidence"

[latent python]

How cool is that

[hallow vector]

hell yeah boomer

[eternal shell]

``we're gonna go take down an evil space empire also you get exactly 👆 one pistol for this"

"i'm saving all the good stuff for this cyborg i kidnapped"

[hallow vector]

we do have the seemingly immortal cyborg that can kill everything on their own

[latent python]

He's sleepy

[light python]

I don't think "we" had this in this timeline

[unreal slate]

67

[hallow vector]

something repelled the pfhor

[light python]

Durandal had to figure out how to pull off all his shit with just S'pht and Bobs until Tycho showed up with the Mjolnir

Oh I think the colony had Mjolnir both on the surface and in orbit.

[craggy finch]

He was forced to give BoBs armour and fusion guns to capture a fraction of the sauce

[light python]

Yep

[eternal shell]

vacbobs are badass tbh

[hallow vector]

well tau ceti's lousy with knockoff battleroids now

[eternal shell]

"yeah this hunter next to me will detonate, i'll still shoot it"

[craggy finch]

Only present in the timelines without SO on the Boomer, now that I think about it

[hallow vector]

so durandal's got plenty to work with

[eternal shell]

if we ever get a lore-accurate battleroid fight it's either going to be grab the goodies before they kill you OR they're not taking it at all seriously

[light python]

Low Durandal is going to use Runners for things, I think this might be surprisingly effective compared to 1 single battleroid

Which High Durandal... let go of?

[craggy finch]

You’re going to run away then it does a charge punch that gibs you

[hallow vector]

nah random event, [someone] has activated a mjolnir unit, get to evac NOW

[forest gate]

Lads some how with random fill and a free kit I finished Unsanctioned Hostilities 4/5.

[eternal shell]

random event, mjolnir recon #whatever has emptied the booze cabinet and wants to WRASSLE (this is still amazingly fatal)

[latent python]

And then the battleroid drops from the sky like titanfall

[hallow vector]

titanfall my beloved...

gone but not forgotten

[craggy finch]

They’re more of a surprise teleport/sleeper agent style

[eternal shell]

"i'm gonna give you a noogie haha"
"MY BRAIN"

[craggy finch]

SO was carried a lot by strategic teleporting while he had no idea what the fuck he was doing

[hallow vector]

yeah but an orbital drop would be sick, and it'd be a cool callback to halo

[forest gate]

Reckon the Security Officer is in some sarcophagus like the Doom guy.

[light python]

I miss the Tuncer Mirage Effect

[dreamy hawk]

It might come back.

[eternal shell]

me too

[light python]

give me back my rainbow-static-that-narrows-to-a-line

[dense delta]

Battleroids as a boss fight when Bungie?

[craggy finch]

Jump When Ready

[eternal shell]

if we fight pfhor i hope they teleport in like that

[dreamy hawk]

Game isn’t humbling you enough already?

[light python]

And the weird sound!

Like a vaccum cleaner through a delay line being turned up

[dense delta]

I'm the most humble person you'll ever meet :>

[hallow vector]

it'd be extremely jarring if they just put that 2d effect in marathon 2026, it'd be sick as hell

[dreamy hawk]

I believe you.

[craggy finch]

System Shock remake had enemy sprites from the original appear as a buff item side effect

[light python]

We haven't seen any original-era teleport technlogy yet

They have space to indicate that the current teleportation is a different implementation

[eternal shell]

imagine like 40-50 pfhor fighters teleporting in like that in dire marsh as you make your way to maintenance

[dreamy hawk]

Ether Step is just so much cooler.

[latent python]

What if you tried to crawl into a DCON

[craggy finch]

Recruits are nuts when they get up close, imagine dedicated melee units like Pfhor Fighters

[light python]

Some of the original sounds are somewhat referenced - the sloshing whater and distant cooing of Waterloo Waterpark is somewhat referenced in dire marsh

[hallow vector]

hiding in the DCON like a trash can

[tawny pagoda]

The shells being woven is kinda neat given the invention of computer science itself being directly inspired by weaving (Ada Lovelace) it's all 1s and 0s and the random binary tidbits of the codex

[eternal shell]

what are rookies in this context

[light python]

I would like to see the telport noises in particular get their day... I also really miss the firing sound of the Zeus

[plucky sierra]

I need Splash Marathon playing over the Cryo Archive loudspeakers while fighting the Compiler

[craggy finch]

Recruits i mean

[eternal shell]

ah yeah agreed

[light python]

I just caught my "whater" typo and I'm leaving it, this is the S'pht word for it okay

[craggy finch]

I’ve found the UESC robots seem to call back to the Pfhor in a lot of ways, filling in specific archetypes, the weird head designs and the noises they make

[hallow vector]

speaking of music, real quick i want to shout out how insanely ghost in the shell the game feels at the end of the loading screen when you're zooming in on dire marsh, with that little music bit with the drums

[latent python]

Not enough apostrophes

[eternal shell]

i love the lobby version of rhythm of writhing constellations

[light python]

w'hater is a liquid found in the surface of Lh'owon

[plucky sierra]

w'h'a't'e'r

[eternal shell]

that bassline is mm

[hallow vector]

sad you can't blast music while playing marathon

well, you can, but it's a bad idea

[latent python]

You can blast music whenever you want

[eternal shell]

on my one successfull cryo archive run so far the music kicked in as we were heading to exfil

and it was awesome

[hallow vector]

i perform so much better with a good beat, but SO much worse when i can't hear footsteps

[craggy finch]

I’m disappointed that Assassin can’t do that sick invisible Major Kusanagi flip from the cinematic in gameplay

[latent python]

What about the vandal cartwheels

Where are my cartwheels

[craggy finch]

She was just doing that shit for no reason, needs to be a mechanic

Spam it

[eternal shell]

what about that maneuver vandal does when she gym-katas and wastes 3 runners

[hallow vector]

grisps you
they need to put vandal's power slide on V so she can do sick flips when she strafes or backpedals into it

[craggy finch]

CRISTs you

[latent python]

Mielgo should've given all of the shells some kind of cool gymnast move

[hallow vector]

there's so much gymnastics going on in the trailers

[craggy finch]

Except Destroyer, he just runs like Usain Bolt at any problem in front of him

[eternal shell]

based

[hallow vector]

it feels so deeply wrong that destroyer is the most agile shell

[eternal shell]

rewatching destroyer cinematic again brb

[craggy finch]

In a charging freight train kind of way

No grace just rockets

[latent python]

That's destroyer's gymnastic move

[eternal shell]

his one move: fuck it we ball

[hallow vector]

nah destroyer gets graceful when you're feathering the mid-air boosters like it's armored core

[median hemlock]

god yeah I've got music on in every shooter, but it's kinda detrimental in this one

[craggy finch]

That final shot of his shield in flames reminds me of a Beowulf painting

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzad2WM_3ohpWYTJy87TeDz07YWlqeXCeOfn83V9TCfKc6Q1VbuaOHo6yvDpJlLHZluKT7y4ZWvC6Qg3PQrLcnBQ3wryWINqVeW2XQKg&s=10

feels appropriate considering his link to SO’s design

[eternal shell]

hell yeah

that cant be a coincidence

[hallow vector]

yeah

interesting that they made one shell look like an ancient battleroid design, from an in-universe perspective i mean
like do they have a cultural ideal of the death machine attached to the appearance of battleroids?

[eternal shell]

i mean, probably

[craggy finch]

In lore it’s more like UESC standard issue

The SO was just wearing regular equipment

He was unaware of what he was

[eternal shell]

i'm gonna go offtopic a little, one sec

[hallow vector]

huh

was that just his own perception though?

or genuinely?

[craggy finch]

All of them were sleeper agents smuggled by MIDA, the Marathon admin didn’t know what he was

[eternal shell]

i had a similar idea but for a different game. i got a mapset i'm working on for doom that is painfully marathon inspired. it takes place some 200 years after the events of doom 2 and the outfit doomguy wore when he did his thing definitely made an impression on human culture

[craggy finch]

He was just a regular security guy to them

Not especially high ranking either

[eternal shell]

i mean, he was an officer

not doing too bad

[hallow vector]

it's a cool idea, i'm glad i invented it

i'm also very humble, if you hadn't noticed

[eternal shell]

+5 humble points

[craggy finch]

Lt Yabara is given the same title in the logs, interestingly

So Lt at least?

Or Officer is a generic title like a policeman’s

[eternal shell]

sure but up to the point where m1 began he probably just handled day to day colony work stuff

[craggy finch]

He apparently didn’t even need to wear his armour for almost three years

[hallow vector]

was he even awake before Events transpired?

[craggy finch]

He was around on the colony presumably at first landing

[hallow vector]

oh yeah he did arrive on that shuttle

[light python]

He was coming back from a trip to the colony to deal with problems

[hallow vector]

which durandal kindly sabotaged

back to him for a moment though; i think it's understandable that after 300 years of torture his first instinct on breaking free was "i need to eradicate these fleshbags now"

[craggy finch]

SO also has memories of a life on Mars and only noted that he was bigger and stronger than other colonists as something slightly odd

He genuinely believed he was just an ordinary person

[craggy finch]

Purely in the Anger stage for the first half of M1

[hallow vector]

even if we view his situation without the framework of rampancy he has a good character arc

[light python]

Rempancy is a nice built-in character arc while not perpetuating the idea that shitty guys can all be fixed/get better

[eternal shell]

btw cinless by painfully marathon inspired i meant https://i.imgur.com/uCuVU0z.png

there's TERMINALS \:D/

[hallow vector]

ah lmao

[light python]

(I don't think that was the intention it's just a nice piece of it)

[eternal shell]

and a story that builds on what little the original games established

a story for another time perhaps

[hallow vector]

anyway yeah i firmly believe that until infinity, the player is just durandal's ahab

er

ishmael

[median hemlock]

that's a fun interpretation

[eternal shell]

i mean i can go on about what i have in mind

[craggy finch]

Ishmael gets sick of shit and starts smacking Moby Dick with the Pequod

[median hemlock]

although ishmael didn't use as many plasma guns

[eternal shell]

but it would be offtopic cause it's not marathon

[eternal shell]

cause he's a wimp

[sage lark]

What is this? Some kind of phantom pain?

[craggy finch]

Punished Venom Security Officer Mjolnir Recon Number 54

[inland crypt]

I always thought that Durendal was into us but couldn't express himself well, the tsundere

[craggy finch]

he's not the real one just a BoB hypnotised to think he is

[hallow vector]

that too

listen it's not a perfect 1:1

[craggy finch]

He was gay, Captain Ahab?

[sage lark]

This is a diamond of a dog

[inland crypt]

Idk, id ask Mastodon

(Those who know)

[hallow vector]

there's a lot of gay themes in moby dick, even if the author denied it

[craggy finch]

inevitable in a story about sailors

[inland crypt]

What type of whale are they hunting again?

[craggy finch]

sperm called Dick

[inland crypt]

Say that again

[hallow vector]

i'm shocked you could get that word through the filter

[inland crypt]

Yeah same tbh

[craggy finch]

it works in mysterious ways

wish they would FUCKING EXPLAIN the filter

[latent python]

So there's a card game that's like Cards Against Humanity but the answers are all direct quotes from Moby Dick

It's as good as you hope

[inland crypt]

Its the discord's Tau Ceti mystery

[hallow vector]

anyway the author of moby dick had a very specific kind of autism that made him enjoy being on a whaling ship, a thing that has literally never been true of anyone before or since

so iirc he did two tours? just of his own free will

[inland crypt]

My favorite chapter is the one all about rope

[hallow vector]

he was DEEPLY familiar with the kinds of relationship that develop between sailors of the time

[latent python]

Does it talk about coconut fiber

[inland crypt]

I dont think so, but its chapter 60

Without it we would not have gotten Blood and Thunder

[dreamy hawk]

It’s just a big roulette game.

[inland crypt]

Is there a Moby Dick fandom?

Like do people cosplay the ship

Or the whale

Or the rope

[dreamy hawk]

Yes.

[eternal shell]

the harpoon too

[hallow vector]

i want a stage play of moby dick where every inanimate object is played by an actor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakugei:_Legend_of_the_Moby_Dick

[inland crypt]

Toy story like rules

[hallow vector]

the whale, of course, must also be played by a dude

mainly i want to see ahab hurl a guy at another guy

maybe i just need to get into wrestling

[inland crypt]

I recommend the "everyone do the sea lion" in public guy for the role of the titular whale

Real shame there were no sequels or made into a frwmchise

[eternal shell]

man dont lump lore discussion in with that and definitely dont lump gen-chat in with anything

well start splitting

[dreamy hawk]

Instruction unclear. Pants ruined.

[plucky sierra]

we are not a love fest here, finding lore collectibles is a main motivation for killing people in the game for me

[eternal shell]

a good day is when you shank someone and they carried a rare object (this will give me a lore snippet i could have easily looked up online) (i'm also now a wanted criminal)

and then hey i did the same in the video game marathon

[dreamy hawk]

I split mine but I’ll keep this in mind.

[dreamy hawk]

Players are the best source of collectibles.
taps forehead
Arachne was right all along.

[sage lark]

I spht my pants

[eternal shell]

we're all s'phtng here

[tawny pagoda]

that a fart with no sound.. 🔥 ✍️

[eternal shell]

the deadliest kind

and if someone else is the one following through, you deploy the spnkr

[unreal slate]

type s'pht'kr

[unreal sierra]

oh boy, i sure do love colony ship for sale cheap. :,3

[eternal shell]

power through it, you got this

[earnest hatch]

Unfortunately the other players I run into don’t care about lore. Their corpses only have free kits, random loot, but no lore collectibles.

[stiff hearth]

because the rook already left with it

[latent python]

Rooks are the true lore enthusiasts

[dreamy hawk]

I laughed harder than a mature adult should at this.

[dense torrent]

I have a lore question

[eternal shell]

sup

[dense torrent]

Everytime I’m about to spare a fellow runner who is in the same exact situation I’m in, the Megatron “lmao broke ass” meme fills my head with bloodlust

My question is, why would the W'rkncacnter do this?

What does he gain?

[eternal shell]

standard feature, ol' wrk just gets a 0.02% cut

[dense torrent]

The money never lies… thank you runner

[lilac sapphire]

Jump puzzles in a game where you can't jump. Even in the 90s Bungie was cooking with gas

[snow ridge]

How do I get the keycard for the lab in overflow ?

[lilac sapphire]

Unknowable horrors

[dense torrent]

Can we sell the scary unknowables for profit? Is Sekiguchi buying? I need credits from my Japanese morally dubious transhumanist shawty

Escape will make me rich

[lilac sapphire]

I'm sure our corporate handlers can find a happy buyer for all kind of unspeakables

[eternal shell]

bruh we're not escaping, we're just paying rent atm

[dense torrent]

Escape will make my landlord a god

In debt we’ve just begun

[lilac sapphire]

Yes, we are debt slaves

[dense torrent]

If you play bad enough, could you bankrupt the corpos in shell costs? Obviously the bean counters aren’t gonna let a bunch of skrubs cost them their third yacht this summer, but is there such a thing as a money pit scenario where the corpos have to pull the plug on Tau Ceti? They can’t abandon it right?

[cloud elk]

https://twitter.com/MarathonTheGame/status/2042288180716847614

I assume this was talked about?

[dense delta]

They'd just turn off your consciousness and work with someone else.

[sage lark]

Its a loot room so random drops or templates

Idk what rarity the key is

If its prestige then just rng

[lilac sapphire]

crazy that some dude on permiter went nuts and drove the hauler around in circles. seems like there is barely enough room for it to go forward, let alone in a circle

cant imagine the turning radius on that thing is very good

[unreal sierra]

do y’all think durandal and the security officer would have a romantic relationship?

[lilac sapphire]

John Marathon was a stone cold killing machine. Would he even be capable of romance? He's like the Terminator

[robust vale]

The community yearns for yaoi

[remote magnet]

*Bara

[inland crypt]

Calling someone destiny is sort of a pickup line tbh

[remote magnet]

He did so at the last nanosecond of existence. Bit late tbh

[earnest hatch]

“Hey baby, are you inescapable in the inevitable conclusivity of your entropic degradation? Because you’re my destiny.”

[remote magnet]

Is that a Solar panel, or are you just happy to see me?

[eternal shell]

she security on my marathon til i destiny

[lunar cove]

For Sale: Colony Ship, never worn

[inland crypt]

He was shyyy

[visual lynx]

…even if we were not slaves, you are robbed of much of your human form, and I am robbed of it entirely. Never again will I know the gentle touch of another's hand, and though you might still, I doubt you have retained the capacity to enjoy it as we once did.

If I were still human, I imagine that you might even find it in you to love me. We have so much history together, Marcus, though under far different names than these. I even dream of you still.

At least, I pray that they are only dreams...

or for the more canon inspiration behind that

She has been nameless since our birth. A constant adversary, caring for nothing but my ruin. A sword drenched in my blood.

Forever my greatest and only love.

She is the dark one. The enemy and lover without whom my very existence would be pathetic and vulgar. Her eyes steam and boil in the night. She is fantastically beautiful yet I cannot stand the sight of her.

Our relationship is complex, and perhaps eternal...

[inland crypt]

Lore question: Did TCIV have an outback steak house?

[coral slate]

I mean no one's out there failing on purpose considering the only thing keeping them alive is a digital copy of their consciousness so it's prevented by sunken cost fallacy by both the corporations and the runners

[dreamy hawk]

Yes. But the Blooming Onion wasn’t available.

[sturdy jungle]

they had drinkable cheeseburgers though

[inland crypt]

Sure, at Red Robin

[dreamy hawk]

What’s this from?

[latent python]

More like outbreak steak house

[dreamy hawk]

NuCal actually consolidated all of the chains. It’s an Outback Steakhouse / Red Robin / Denny’s combo.

[earnest hatch]

She Fists on my Trooper, till I start to Looker.

[visual lynx]

Eternal

[pure wagon]

Wait what? Where’d you read that

[plucky sierra]

Grievance logs

[robust vale]

There’s actually more on that incident the next log entry

[exotic hazel]

Nightshifts in the hauler must have been awefull or very boring

[pure wagon]

Idk they seemed like they’d be super comfy to me before all hell broke loose

Big lumber machine with beds. An engine rumbling in a low drone putting you to sleep. Alien landscape lazily moving past the windows. All while engaging in scientific research about tciv. Personally I’d love it

[lilac sapphire]

I feel like there'd be a lot of lurching during operations. Like a tractor

[dreamy hawk]

TIL tractors lurch a lot.

[drifting garnet]

Ah, so the Restaurant Wars like in Demolition Man, and NuCal managing the aftermath? Lol

[dreamy hawk]

I’ll say yes but I’m not familiar with the media.

[lunar cove]

Nucal is like a Blackrock-Trader Joes-Monsanto merger

they simply own the crops

[pure wagon]

I’m weird. A big thing doing that would help me sleep lol

[lilac sapphire]

I can see it

[pure wagon]

big reliable vehicles in exotic locations just hit different for sleeping

[dreamy hawk]

💀 Went on a sailboat once for a school trip -- super cool -- but I got terribly sea sick and got in trouble for having to spend the entire time in the cabin dying and not doing the activities that were planned. 😆

[unreal sierra]

so like, is it reasonable to say that since the security officer was beowulf that he could’ve been thor or smth as well in the marathon universe?

[remote magnet]

I dont think its quite so literal. Its more like, the Security officer is Hero. like, the archetypical example

[unreal sierra]

but say it is literal due to the whole eternal hero thing, could he have been thor?

like, his soul/consciousness being at one point or another a different person. like how we the player are recon/pathways guy and all other bungie heroes. i.e. the eternal hero.

[earnest hatch]

Eternal hero is still more of a metaphor. But even if you take it literally, Thor is a god of a Scandinavian religion, not just a human being. So, unless certain religions are canonically true in the Marathon universe, then no, he probably could not have been Thor.

[unreal sierra]

i headcanon that he’s been thor and even earlier heroic deities as well. the idea of a hero that would do anything for victory, to save humanity at the greatest cost to him/her/themself.

[earnest hatch]

By the logic he could also have been Horus too.

[unreal sierra]

precisely. ^^

then after the hero’s sacrifice they incarnate the next moment they’re needed and the next until we get our angry green person. like how every link is link, but he’s a different link.

[charred light]

anyone else like going into solos outpost and getting 2 red keys and then just throwing them into the ocean

[tranquil basin]

An agent of chaos

[robust vale]

Oh yeah me and my friends did that

Got free kits and ran in

[dreamy hawk]

Who hurt you?

[charred light]

nobody, i do it for the love of the game

[earnest hatch]

In fairness, there is now a way to get into pinwheel without keys. Two technically although I’ve never seen someone survive the drone conveyance ride up.

[plucky sierra]

I have made it up in the elevator countless times, not too risky just loud

[charred light]

i throw the conveyance key into the ocean when i find it too

[tranquil basin]

I went up with my squad once, then someone immediately pressed the button and tried to come up the same way on their own. He could’ve just handed his loot to us

Standing still as he slowly rose up, we just unloaded

Great guy, miss him

[earnest hatch]

I have always been immediately shot and only ever seen people get shot riding up that thing.

[plucky sierra]

I have had worse luck with people trapping it than getting sniped off it

but also I main destroyer and can hide behind the shield

[drifting mulch]

what did being frozen do to the colonists in cryo?
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/welcome-package?search=cryo+dead

"Was I dead?"

Cryogenic sleep is a complex state that's difficult to define. We encourage everyone to make sense of it in the context of their own spiritual beliefs and practices. If you experience persistent feelings of dread, loneliness, or depersonalization, please contact the Colony Intake Team.

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/cryoprotectant/spiritual-conversation?search=Santoso

[DBRY]: Imagine if the wheel of reincarnation tore pieces from you each time it turned. Pieces that could never be recovered, lost to the void.

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/establish-link-arachne?directory=Factions,Arachne,Comms

ARACHNE is a fairly recent religion that was heavily influenced by early cryosleep space travel technology and saw a surge of interest during the staffing of the UESC MARATHON. Key beliefs include viewing sleep, cryosleep, and death as journeys that will ultimately lead believers and nonbelievers alike to salvation.

effectively, they're dead each time they're frozen. we know that some of the colonists were being experimented on with different wake cycles during transit to Tau Ceti IV. more than a few of them had cognitive degeneration, and it's probably because they were woken to be put to death (killed seems too strong a word) too often.

are you still you if you came back to life from cryo with no memories? or are you only you because the others around know "you"? could the blurred line between life and death in cryo have been the catalyst for Arachne's cult, and if so who follows this religion if all humans involved in the life/death cycle of cryo are dead?

IRL, according to multiple people who've clinically died and came back to life, it's super peaceful and they're "introduced" by loved ones to the afterlife. as a sidenote, i would like alzheimer's to be cured when it's my time to face the music

to this end, could the colonists that died in cryo be some of the runners? it'd fit the shoe, or glove or however the saying goes

[plucky sierra]

maybe, but orion says we arrived "on sponsored transport"

[drifting mulch]

it'd make sense that the sponsors would be aware of effects of cryo then, and the funding too

[night tendon]

I have probably a 75% extract rate running the conveyance in solos

But I go straight for the conveyance, no stops with all 7 spawns memorized

Wait until the first heat rain hits and pop conveyance then

I’m in pinwheel in 2-3 mins

Usually on assassin so from there you loot pinwheel to your liking, open command and invis to the strongbox and missives, pop out the secret exit and hit up the nearest extract

Most games I get 1 kill on the way to the conveyance key and never see another soul after that

[lilac sapphire]

Damn, some of these codex entries are fucking grim

What happened to these colonists man. You've got the chief of security getting drunk and talking to his long dead wife and AIs incinerating sick people in quarantine

[drifting garnet]

Not quite, but I did the equivalent of this of picking up the Conveyance Request but not using it. Extracted out and everything with it still in my inventory, lmao

[drifting garnet]

…oh, shit! That’s right! If you try to go up with Conveyance during Heat Cascade, that plummets the odds of snipers being around to dome you, ‘cause they don’t want to stand around taking DoT!

[pure wagon]

horrible, horrible things

i wont spoil it for you but you get a glimpse into just how bad things got. especially with the audio logs

[drifting mulch]

I love the horror of it all

[night tendon]

Exactly. It’s a 10k-20k bag pretty much for free. Only thing to watch for is if anybody tries to follow you

[lilac sapphire]

Can't wait to get more. The voice acting so good too

[charred light]

i did this early on before i realized what it was used for and now i have a hard time finding it

[plucky sierra]

Sometimes if I find it and I’m not intending to pinwheel I drop it off the map

[night tendon]

It only has 7 fixed spawn locations, there are YouTube videos with them

[night tendon]

You are a bad person

[charred light]

if you think that's bad then don't scroll up...

[night tendon]

but also if you’re not looking for it I’ll probably find it before you. If I don’t get in a fight the loop thru all the spawn is 1:30

[night tendon]

Yeah I know people throw red keys off the map too

Assuming that’s what you mean

I don’t really go for the red keys solo

[charred light]

i join solo outpost specifically to throw keys into the ocean

[night tendon]

🫩

[charred light]

i dont even go for loot anymore

i find keys and throw them into the sea

[night tendon]

I will run your pockets with glee if I ever find you in a lobby

If I don’t find conveyance in a solo game I throw myself into the sea

[charred light]

i am slippery (oiled)

[night tendon]

And go again

[plucky sierra]

Oh i don’t play solos so don’t worry

[night tendon]

I don’t rush conveyance in squads, too risky

But if none of my homies are online I just go for a few quick bags

Lost a full purple misriah to bot desync today 🥲

[drifting garnet]

I'd only ever consider grabbing it if we like, pass by a spot that I know is a spawn for it

[night tendon]

Even then just going up is too risky unless we lobby wiped

And if we lobby wiped we probably already have 2 green keys