📚marathon-lore-discussion

[sage lark]

etc

arachne levels by just playing

same with cyac mostly

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe I’ll have to skip work to see if I can catch up to 60. (lol, lmao)

[sage lark]

dont look in breach protocol

theres jobless mfs in there with lvl 100, VIP 28 on Arachne and 1 mil in wallet

[charred depot]

sheeeet

[timber loom]

Might it be W'rkncacenter?

Effects of it seems too malicious for Jjaro tech. At least if it is not wielded by pfhor

[covert helm]

Nerf shotgun

[timber loom]

The biggest question rn for me is the timeline between Pfhor attack and Colony decline. It seems like Pfhor didn't use the decline to get there, so I am starting to think that they are not responsible for the appearance of Anomaly. At least not directly

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe the P’fhor invasion woke something.

But I could see it being malfunctioning Jjaro tech, too. It is “malicious” but how much of that is an accident?

[plucky sierra]

Jjaro terraformed planets using technology like the S’pht, Jjaro were at tau Ceti, perhaps this is an evolution of the planet responding to the invasion by humans by adapting to force them off

[rugged igloo]

I mean, with the fact that the colony had 9 other mjulnir cyborgs ontop of like, 10 AI's on the ground, AND the S'pht counter attack ontop of that

I think this may be another pathways into darkness scenario but there's no Jjaro to come pick up the horrors that dwell within the earth of Tau Ceti or any Bill Clintion approved black ops to go and nuke it back into slumber. With this case being that the fighting is what's causing the ancient one (if there is one, which there likely is) to wake up

Doesn't help that the thing's likely the cause for the cult of S'pht worshippers and the nightmares that've plagued the colony.

New Cascadia was a real shitshow of a colony all around, poor bastards.

[dreamy hawk]

I hope we don’t actually fight a w’rk. One being included is one thing (and I’m betting on it), but given the incomprehensible horror it represents, a handful of runners in shells (not even battleroids) fighting it would be super disappointing imo.

[dreamy hawk]

I would not describe their experience as “a good time.”

[eternal shell]

and john mjolnir needed to make use of a jjarro space station to do anything to it at the end of infinity

he didnt punch it to death

[visual lynx]

I think it's likely not just another PiD scenario but a direct continuation of the PiD scenario: that when the Jjaro returned to take more permanent measures in 1996, that was moving the W'rk to a more secure prison on an uninhabited planet nearby: TCIV. and then humans eventually went there looking for power from Jjaro tech or Wrk mysticism the way Muller wanted in PiD -- the motive for the whole Marathon mission in the first place.

[visual lynx]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu

[dreamy hawk]

To be clear, I’d be super disappointed even if we saw battleroids try to punch it, but they’d have more of a right to try than any runner ever.

[small robin]

The WHAT bioweapon?

Stop making up words man

[eternal shell]

haha yea

[small robin]

That shit dont even make sense

[rugged igloo]

I mean, I doubt we will. Hell, even in OG marathon when Mjlunerd becomes an all powerful reality bending god (basically a canon reason why Forge exist) he has to kick-flip out of the timeline, I think the best we may ever get to see of them is probably like, it's eye like how we saw it in the marathon infinite (if I remember correctly)

[dreamy hawk]

So do you think it’s more bad luck that humanity found the same dreaming god twice or more something else? Jjaro just moved it to the closest prison not expecting humans to be so dumb? I’m curious about your timeline.

[visual lynx]

There's a virus down here which kills Pfhor in a matter of hours; our S'pht say it was
bio-engineered by their ancestors during the war against the Pfhor a thousand years ago. Whatever; it's saving our butts.
-Robert Blake

We, the Olders of S'pht, united finally but doomed, have released the S'ct'lac'tr in the citadel.

Let these aliens enter here and they will be destroyed.

[dreamy hawk]

Oh I love this.

[visual lynx]

I don't think it's bad luck, I think humans went to Tau Ceti because they knew something about the Jjaro having gone there after 1996, and maybe even because they knew the W'rkncacnter was there and foolishly thought they could harness it for their own benefit.

[dreamy hawk]

Darn humans. Always meddling.

[rugged igloo]

I doubt it.
Considering Admiral Pheer(However you spell his name) and the Pfhor actively cause the Wr'rk to tw'rk on the universe by accident in like, most timelines even when they DO have Tycho doing everything he can to make sure the Pfhor DON'T wake up the eldritch horrors, I really, REALLY doubt that they'd take precautions to stop a small colony of at most, 42k humans. I think the Pfhor are just as if not let aware of the W'rkncacnter as we are tbh. It's probably more likely to be that they needed something to moreso deal with those 9 other battleroids, considering the powerhouses they are.

[small robin]

The UESC is being controlled by Captain Orion, which we know, but the UESC ground forces (ARS — Autonomous Robotic Soldiers) are being themselves controlled by Cerberus, a Combat AI under Orion's control. The usage of AI to engage in lethal combat is illegal, but this far from Earth, who really gives a shit.

Cerberus seems to be as belligerent at his job as his boss, as UESC combat programming is essentially just throwing bots at a problem thousands of times until the most efficient tactics are brute-forced into existance.

[dreamy hawk]

To be fair Pfhorrest said S’pht, not P’fhor, and that’s an important distinction imo.

[visual lynx]

I'm not saying that the Pfhor tried to release the W'rk, I'm saying that humans came messing around with Jjaro constraints on the W'rk (maybe out of ignorance, maybe out of hubris), and the S'pht tried to stop them, with lethal force eventually.

[small robin]

I got bludgeon Robert Blake for coming up with cool shit, then naming it after the sounds a person makes when having a stroke.

[eternal shell]

he didnt name it

[visual lynx]

it seems super in theme with Ozymandias that a bunch of hairless monkeys would go "oooh reality-destroying eldritch abomination from before the dawn of time? I'm gonna weaponize it against people I don't like. what could go wrong."

we already know at least one human (Muller from PiD) tried it.

[small robin]

Who the fuck named it canonically

[visual lynx]

he didn't name it, the S'pht did

[timber loom]

I mean, it took a CIA operation in PiD even without modern tech

[eternal shell]

famed haters of vowels and lovers of apostrophes

[small robin]

😭

Fairs

[timber loom]

It is not that we beat w'rk, but not let it fully awaken

[visual lynx]

if we fight anything, I expect it will be the god's dreams, like in PiD

[rugged igloo]

`TRUE-

HOWEVER
That's mainly cause the Jjaro staright up had a meeting with bill clintion and were like "yo dawg, there's an unfathomable god in your crib. Nuke that shit before it wakes up-"

[eternal shell]

"what is that orange headless thi- oh gross"

[visual lynx]

maybe the ticks are the first monsters it has dreamt into existence

[rugged igloo]

Can't wait for the map after Cryo-archives to be dropped and we gotta fight against the wave of a billion skeletons

[visual lynx]

oh I don't think the W'rk is locked up on the Marathon

I think that's fungal zombies

[rugged igloo]

"I GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU" and suddenly the purple shielded destroyer is just dead.

[rugged igloo]

neither do I, I was moreso just joking about the idea of PiD enemies being added to NuMarathon lol

tho I do doubt the Pfhor would even fw using the S'pht'lek'tar mainly cause even with how much they've relied on the compilers, they still don't really understand them and vice verse with how the S'pht were just as surprised by the idea of purely organic life forms being able to straight up be space fairing

I'm moreso betting on like-
Another battlegroup of some kind being aboard the marathon-

Hell, for all we know, we could be running into ANOTHER alien on alien conflict between the freed s'pht and the Pfhor or something.

damn Pfhor and their stupid battlegroups. . .

[timber loom]

Yes, but from the lore I am getting the vibe S'pht kinda influenced colonists. They might have shared the myth about w'rk and they can also be our lead

[rugged igloo]

I swear if it has another thing to do with 7's or waves I'm gonna pop a damn blood vessel-

[eternal shell]

this is gherrit white, reminding you for the 7th time about the waves

[timber loom]

Also, everyone is keep saying that the colony was set up from the start. We might get answers when we get into much more influential zones of Marathon

[rugged igloo]

I mean, it kinda was, but not in the way of it being set up to fumble like it did.

The marathon colony was partially a trojan horse for a secret society to plant itself on tau ceti and begin again away from the confines of the dying solar system of Sol.

Then durandal contacted the Pfhor, and everything went bad FAST

[timber loom]

Like yeah, UESC bid the Marathon to W'rk planet to get those sweet sweet artifacts they had a taste of during PiD, but Pfhor happened along the way which derailed the whole operation

[rugged igloo]

True, though it's partially durandal's fault. Nobody expected him to have gone rampant.

Or the fact that he had been rampant for so long that he was well past any of the previous stages of rampancy to being fully free. Free, and very, VERY fucking angry, and ambitious.

also funny

I kinda wish we had durandal at his more humorous side like the first two games, and not duran-thoth-dal who's all poetic n shit.

I miss mr. "I called it BOOMER"

the dork

[timber loom]

People who knew probably got killed during the attack on Marathon, like Admiral and shit and without access to the ship no one on the ground was able to get what is happening

[rugged igloo]

That, or they were taken control of and forced to be apart of durandal's wacky war against the Pfhor like the BoB's on Lh'owon were.

[shell bane]

100?!

[sage lark]

Yes

[timber loom]

I am not sure in this timeline L'howon happened yet

[rugged igloo]

I mean, it probably did-
Durandal's not exactly talking like his old self and ontop of that, the huge leap of tech that was expected to happen thanks to him sending into the UESC definitely gave him the edge in tech humanity needed (even if it at best, arrived at most 8 years before the runners hit the ground of tau ceti).

It also does make sense too cause durandal's not . . .glitchy. Nor sarcastic snarky when he's purely himself..

the only times he's not being a snarky ass, is when he's either in serious pain, fused with thoth or BEYOND fucked-

So far, he seems to be properly in control of what's going on with Tau Ceti and is properly in his more advanced state now.

[timber loom]

Fair

In that case, Phfor should be already out of the table as any serious threat, that is probably why they also seemingly left the colony alone

[rugged igloo]

That's what I'm thinking too, tbh

[eternal shell]

i hope that's not the case cause i wanna fight some pfhor

[lunar cove]

Gheritt White when his sponsored kit shield gets dropped by Gheritt Purple

[timber loom]

And the S'pht on board are probably not even planted by Pfhor, but actually of Durandal's retinue

[rugged igloo]

though, who knows. Could be some Pfhor battlegroup still fighting durandal.

A real Halo 2 elites vs brutes type of deal.
And we're the master chiefs stuck in the middle of it.

[tranquil basin]

I’ve thought this, though a lot of people really hate this idea. It could be some ancient jjaro tech malfunctioning or left to rot over millennia, we do know they were on tau ceti at some point

[timber loom]

We gonna fight them for sure, there might be some threat from them to Sol operation in TC4, but not on a civilizational level, otherwise they will instantly mop the UESC out of the orbit along with the runner's frathouse

[tranquil basin]

Pfhor attack was 2794, colony existed until at least 2827 according to the cinematic. I agree, the pfhor either aren’t the cause of the anomaly, or didn’t intentionally do it but it’s just a side effect

[tranquil basin]

I agree that would suck, unless they did the JakeTheAlright prediction of:

10 years from now, marathon’s final update. We’ve done so much stuff on tau ceti, and now wield a huge biomata. The wrk is coming at us. We grab the long portion of the marathon and wield it like a sword, ready to fight

[timber loom]

But what if they were here because of W'rk? Jjaro give the impression of high but straightforward tech. You can use it to create sentient bio weapon I assume, but would it produce some creepy mimics that walked around Anomaly, making people there go mad

[rugged igloo]

ngl-

I wouldnt' be surprised if Orion became our 7th handler/faction guy.
We're gonna be dealing with two really, REALLY bad-if-found-public entities ontop of all the shit on the lands of tau ceti. Dude's clearly looking for answers, and we're willing to dive feet first into hell to get em (for the right price) so y'know, some "off book" expendable uesc operative's would be handy

[burnt nebula]

Cryo Archive when though?

[rugged igloo]

soooooooooooooooooon. . .

[timber loom]

Cerberus can easily get rampant if not already

[burnt nebula]

I am LONGING for Cryo Archive like Triage was in the trailer

[tranquil basin]

I mean maybe. They did go where Wrk’s were to imprison them. However, they tend to imprison them in more permanent places like stars or stellar remnants. Also I still think the bioweapon and the contagion aren’t necessarily the same, like the bioweapon is based on it but that wasn’t originally what it was? I’m unsure I need to read more

[timber loom]

So Orion might be a rep for uesc, which lost control over it's main hands in TC4

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but he’s a bitch

[twin trout]

orion seems to ideologically subsumed in the uesc to consider working with runners <w<

well non-uesc approved runners anyways

[timber loom]

I mean, the point of contagion being sentient and evolving specifically to destroy the colony makes it some sort of advanced bio-weapon, if not some dream of w'rk

[rugged igloo]

Dawg ,one of our faction leaders that we work for is mr "RUNNAH, WROIT "UESC SUX ON THREE BATHROOM STALLS"

I don't think we get to pick n choose who gives us work flkjanfkdno;fspaf

[tranquil basin]

I could see something happening if he needed a job done off the books completely, without his boss knowing

[tranquil basin]

Ik im just saying he’s a bitch

[rugged igloo]

Oh yea true

[covert helm]

Nerf Shotgun

[rugged igloo]

but he defo has some deep pockets no doubt

[tranquil basin]

Say it louder they’ll hear u

[timber loom]

It hangs on what we find in Cryo, that is certain

[twin trout]

how angry do you have to be to join a server and whine in every channel because you died to something

🥀

[tranquil basin]

Also what the fuck is his pfp

[rugged igloo]

They should buff the shotgun till it fucks nearly as hard the shotguns from marathon 2 do-

Better yet?
Bring in the doom two super shotty

[timber loom]

I am like 50% sure Compiler is a decoy

[rugged igloo]

EVERYONE GETS BUCKSHOT NOW, PRAISE BE TO YARRO AND P'THIA

[tranquil basin]

Gotta put a meat hook on the wstr from eternal

[tranquil basin]

In what way

[rugged igloo]

Thesis please?

[timber loom]

Being not the main boss of Cryo

[rugged igloo]

oh

yea that makes sense

[tranquil basin]

Oh. I mean maybe but idk I think they’d save a new enemy type for a new season considering how hyped up these guys are

But they could definitely be hinting at something new coming

I think we’re getting cloaked compilers too which is sick

[rugged igloo]

I think they're just like-
The icons of the map given how cool n freaky they are. But there's 1000% som dark shit hidding in that metal coffin in the atmsophere

[sage lark]

that shit would be awesome huge gundam wielding the marathon and then our buddy durandal would be piloting it with us and he would be like "WIELD ME HUMAN, LETS PUT AN END TO THIS MARATHON OF CHAOS" and then credits roll

absolute cinema

[covert helm]

I wish

[sage lark]

and then we genji ult

and we get MVP play of the game

[tranquil basin]

Now that’s how you end a franchise

[rugged igloo]

I'm just praying we're not gonna get fucking jumped by the replicants

[tranquil basin]

Avengers endgame should’ve tried that

[sage lark]

and the credits will have What Ive Done by Linkin Park playing

[rugged igloo]

I am not ready to get jumpscared by a "THANK GOD IT'S YOU" while crawling through cryo

[timber loom]

I was thinking might it be Mjolnir affected by contagion?

[rugged igloo]

it doesn't help dire marsh straigh up teases them/references them

[sage lark]

and the post credits scene will be us on a sunchair on Tau Ceti drinking a margarita and a shadow of a person will come behind us and it will be Durandal in his biomata with a hot Spht babe

[rugged igloo]

cinema

[tranquil basin]

Durandal gets all the hot sphtches

[twin trout]

I'm stuff

[rugged igloo]

If he wasn't fused with thoth you just KNOW he'd be the biggest douchebag over the comms about his achievements. Durandal's such an insufferable jerk but it's what makes him so much fun

"This is a runner? I've seen BOB's do more work by falling over dead then you fake-s'pht shells!"

[tranquil basin]

Im hoping he kept some of that energy. He definitely is rude but I need some shitposter Durandal

[rugged igloo]

frrrr-
I miss his spunky spite

[sage lark]

I think he will shitpost just in poems 😭

[tranquil basin]

Shakespearian levels of brainrot

[eternal shell]

post credits scene: john mjolnerd teleports in and thanks you the player for handling this, couldn't have done it better himself, was just too busy with this other thing. what other thing, the community asks. here, i'll show you. its the most complicated thing ive ever encountered. everyone teleports. its the fucking puzzle in colony ship for sale cheap

[broken aspen]

I don’t think there’s any information in the Codex about an alien invasion—maybe I just haven’t unlocked it yet? Or is it more natural to assume that there was no visible physical invasion by aliens (even if the infectious disease was caused by them)?

[sage lark]

i will just say there is

MIDA contracts

[rugged igloo]

There are a good few. It's a lot of them are moreso either
A: slip ups from colony higher-ups actively hiding that there was indeed: ALIEN SLAVERS TRYING TO KILL EVERYONE
B: People who don't really know what happened aboard the marathon.

[tranquil basin]

There’s a lot, just wait

Though a lot is redacted info

[sage lark]

theres even chicken nuggets in a box

[tranquil basin]

Also the UESC was presumably on tau ceti for a bit before the corps arrived, they probably cleaned up as much evidence as they could. The codex explains some other reasons too

[rugged igloo]

We're basically getting a lot of views from people who're at most: woken up post Pfhor wave 1 invasion or people who have an idea about what's going on but are actively doing everything they can to keep their lips from being loose and ships being sunk-

[sage lark]

theres explicit logs of the events

[rugged igloo]

It doesn't help that the UESC is actively trying to make sure that there's a little evidence as can be because if work got out about the truth about the marathon alone, with it's 10 cyborgs and it's secret societies and it's ties to OLD MIDA?

Oh god, shit would be bleak.

And that's not even going into what happened to Tycho and Durandal
The Pfhor
The anomolies
and so on

Tau Ceti is a ticking time bomb and right now we're basically poking and proding it with ice picks in hopes of finding gold.

[broken aspen]

In other words, while it’s possible that the Marathon was attacked (which might become clear in CryoArchive), it’s still highly likely that the colony itself wasn’t attacked.

[karmic wasp]

IM OUT OF AMMO

DONT SHOOT

THANK GOD IS YOU

[rugged igloo]

No, the colony was also attacked, but it was very clearly cleaned up-
It's just soon after the marathon went dark. Tensions rose. Crops started going back, people started getting sick, all around things got worse and worse and well-

All around things on New Cascadia were going from bad to unfixable

[karmic wasp]

FROG BLAST THE VENT CORE

[rugged igloo]

FROG BLAST THE VENT CORE

[karmic wasp]

Doug zartman confirmed in nuMarathon

[tranquil basin]

Both definitely happened. The colony was most certainly attacked too

But they had nearly 30 years to recover (they didn’t really recover bc of reasons but they had a lot of time to clean and repair)

[digital plaza]

Any proof that colony was attacked?

[karmic wasp]

I wish Marathon eternal was official

🤤🤤🤤

Same with rubicon

Those are Soo good!

[sage lark]

are thoes the mods Pfhorrest made?

[karmic wasp]

Yeah if I remember

[rugged igloo]

aside from Leela telling you that the colony itself is fine thanks to the borgs during one of the terminals in marathon 1, there's an audio log in nu-marathon that basically has a slip up about a "Security incident" aboard the marathon

[eternal shell]

tempus irae is a good one too

[digital plaza]

Marathon was attacked, but is there any word about the colony itself?

[eternal shell]

yeah, 9 battleroids defended it

and i guess the colonist spent the next few months patching up bullet holes

[rugged igloo]

Well, yea. During the Pfhor's first wave, the colony was attacked, but the 9 other battleroids that were on the ground along with local security forces, handled it.

[eternal shell]

the ma-75, the least accurate assault rifle in video game history, i love it

[coral vale]

Honestly with 9 battleroids on the ground I understand why they didn't even bother to really mention the pfhor attack

[rugged igloo]

things got cleaned up REAL quick cause the last thing you wanna see when you wake up on your new home is alien corpses, illegal murder machines on legs and a whole lotta bullet, blaster and fire burns-

[eternal shell]

"more spackle! quickly!"

[dreamy hawk]

You don’t find this motivating? “Do better, don’t die!”

[sinful thicket]

Did I read the second drinkable cheeseburger entry correctly?? It has magic mushrooms in the mixture?

[eternal shell]

well no wonder they're popular

[rugged igloo]

There's also the wall in dire march that's got the words "THANK GODS IT'S YOU" writen all over it so, at the very least, we know some of the botonists were likely chased down by simulacrums (and blown to bits by them)

[dreamy hawk]

Now I really want one.

[cyan iris]

Hey all I’m new here!
I love how the story is unfolding, the puzzles and the crypticness of everything.

I feel like I hear about these puzzles and the unlocking of cryo archive a little late from other socials.

Is this discord the fastest/soonest way to get those updates?

[analog crystal]

I think so, yeah! They seem to be actively using Discord for some story stuff.

[dreamy hawk]

That’s a particularly upsetting thought.

[dreamy hawk]

#breach-protocol is where a lot of work is happening.

[analog crystal]

(I hate so badly that it's not just in the game, WHY do I have to join a Discord for this stuff. 😭

[cyan iris]

Thanks all!

[karmic wasp]

Guys Marathon will have

Uhh

Fungal zombies

Because

Yea

It would be a nice reference to marathon 2 in my opinion

[digital plaza]

Except there are no mention of any planet side battles in the new game, no redacted no hint no nothing. We get multiple confirmations that marathon was attacked and went dark, but after that UESC just swept up all the information and made it look like its not a big deal. Im assuming that in this timeline Pfhor just didnt attacked the colony, only the ship

[rugged igloo]

Well, that's exactly what happened, hell we even have direct accounts from colonists like Jasper saying how the UESC were really tight lipped about anything involving the "security incident". The lack of info is very much intentional cause if people knew, there'd be panic beyond control

[karmic wasp]

L'howon got blow up and is very far away from tau ceti
Soo i don't think the UESC would even know about it

Or even the existence of the w'rkncacnter as a whole

Since recon 54 successfully fixed the timeline

[sinful thicket]

well if infinity makes it so 2 durandal never really happens, or at least blake never gets back home to warn the UESC of the pfhor, it's very likely that sol has no idea about them. or it does, and the UESC censored leela's warning. as for records on the colony itself? makes me think the problems with the anomaly happened shortly after sfiera/boomer left

[karmic wasp]

What does that mean l'howon is still exist

[rugged igloo]

There are no aliens.
There are no battleroids
Durandal is fine.
Tycho is fine.
Leela is fine
There was no security breach
The marathon is fine.
MIDA has nothing to do with this.

[karmic wasp]

Since in the fixed timeline the w'rkncacnter isnt freed

[rugged igloo]

If you say otherwise, you get dealt with

[karmic wasp]

From the sun yet

[kindred orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-war-in-ba-sing-se-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-no-war-there-is-no-war-gif-15884087966518847999

[eternal shell]

w'rk isnt freed at the end of infinity, but lhowons sun is collapsed into a black hole

so the planet is there, just a lot colder now

and darker

[sinful thicket]

farcast station crushed the wr'kncacnter

[karmic wasp]

No is still stuck in the sun of l'howon

[sinful thicket]

assume lh'owon was pulled in by the singularity

[karmic wasp]

[eternal shell]

depends on whether the star was crushed or had mass added to it

[sinful thicket]

yeah not even a w'rkcacnter can crawl out of a black hole it seems

[dreamy hawk]

L’howon and its sun should be fine in this timeline.

[karmic wasp]

Basically the fixed timeline doesn't have the Pfhor using the trih xeem

[eternal shell]

if it had the same amount of mass post collapse, everything would keep orbiting it as they were

[dreamy hawk]

Infinity prevented its release and we have no reason to think we’re in a failed timeline right now.

[karmic wasp]

Soo there's a possible change the entire l'howon system is still there

[sinful thicket]

the station contained the effects of the trih xeem. the star went nova but it must have collapsed its mass back in to keep the beast contained

[digital plaza]

How is that relevant to what I've said

[karmic wasp]

Idk

[eternal shell]

lhowon is uhhh preserved lets say

[karmic wasp]

😊

[karmic wasp]

WE NEED TO GO TO L'HOWON AND ROB THE SERVER ROOMS

[eternal shell]

ok bring a warm coat

[digital plaza]

Huh???

[eternal shell]

the warmest coat in fact

[karmic wasp]

RAM is very high

[sinful thicket]

depends if farcast station runs indefinetly or only for long enough to stop the supernova and instead force a singularity

[karmic wasp]

Soo yes

[sinful thicket]

if the station shut down and just let nature take care of holding the w'rkcacnter in place, lh'owon would get pulled in too. it's too close

[karmic wasp]

Tfear Recalcitrant killed him

Bro didn't listen to the warning

🥀

Also I'm pretty sure the jjaro isn't fully vanished they are just in hiding

[dreamy hawk]

@digital plaza I assume you’ve listened to far more of the lore than I have just in uploading it, but if there was no invasion what do you think the security event that killed 30,000 colonists was? Because from what I’ve read/listened to, it seems like a lot of hints at the initial invasion.

[rugged igloo]

yeah, on dire-marsh there's a lore entry that follows a single colonist; Jasper who's first entry is describing how badly everything went to shit. Dude's living off of birds and tick-meat in the marsh. He goes on about how the crops got bad, how the marathon went dark, how the uesc won't explain anything, how leadership kept going down and down and down, etc etc.

It's the provisions thingie, I think.

[eternal shell]

i got that lore entry yesterday from a rook who dropped the item for me

[rugged igloo]

All around, when shit went from "we're building a colony, yaaaaaaaaaaaay :D" to "Why can't I contact the marathon?" Shit went BLEAK, FAST>

[eternal shell]

absolute friendship

[rugged igloo]

goated rook

[karmic wasp]

I glad that simulacrum didn't made Their feet onto tau ceti surface

Or it would be absolute hell

🥀

Frog blast the vent core!

[rugged igloo]

I mean-
they might've

No NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO explodes

[karmic wasp]

They are kinda dumb though

[rugged igloo]

true-
But dumb works well enough :P

[karmic wasp]

Fuck up feet
Red eyes
British ahh teeth
No MIDDLE LEG

Say random shit

[karmic wasp]

The vacbob simulacrum are abit smarter

Because

They can actually shoot guns now

Wowza wowza !!!

[rugged igloo]

Honestly, with how fucked the 27th century was, I don't even think some folks would even bat an eye at a simulacrum-

[karmic wasp]

Also I think volt type weapons should have high damage with bullets are abit lower

Since you are

Like a robot

You know-

[karmic wasp]

They have to atleast at some joke and reference to classic Marathon in nuMarathon

💥

😱

[rugged igloo]

🏃‍♂️ 🏃

💥

[karmic wasp]

Why mjolnir battleroids are better than 3d printed shells

They don't overheat

[rugged igloo]

real

[karmic wasp]

They are supper illegal

[rugged igloo]

true

[karmic wasp]

And they are cheap to produce

[eternal shell]

can carry more than 2 guns

[rugged igloo]

truth nuke

[karmic wasp]

And one punch

[rugged igloo]

truth hydrogen bomb

[karmic wasp]

Kill all bobs because they have no souls

Truth nuke*

[rugged igloo]

NO
The bobs must live, and that's on BURGER

drinkable burger

[karmic wasp]

We must remember the lack of women on the marathon

I hope they retcon that lol

[karmic wasp]

NO THEY BLOCK HALLWAYS

They shall die !!!

And also doing vidmaster challenge required all of them to die

🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[rugged igloo]

THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT U

[karmic wasp]

We already have the MADD

[dreamy hawk]

Didn’t you read the one log where they mentioned extensive breeding agreements?

[karmic wasp]

🥀

[rugged igloo]

the UESC was wild for that ngl

[karmic wasp]

That's why they got Soo many volunteers*

In marathon 2

[digital plaza]

"Security event" is clearly an attack on the marathon by Pfhor and S'pht. We still don't have clear confirmation where 30k of people gone to, but my main theory is that a lot of people died to the contagion/starvation and everyone that survived escaped back to the marathon

[karmic wasp]

Now I understand

🥀

[karmic wasp]

They gone to the BOOMER

As volunteers

Real*

Durandal kidnapped them

🗣️

[rugged igloo]

Doubt-
Given that the marthon went dark, what few people that hadn't died to the Pfhor, the anomolies, the ticks, or simple natural shit like starvation or illness, were likely snagged by durandal on his chudling immortality quest

[digital plaza]

I know twin, there are still no hints to the planet invasion

[dreamy hawk]

I’d imagine Cryo archives would be pretty illuminating if this were the case. Given that the initial invasion was so “easily” repelled by the cyborgs once they got involved, do you think it’s possible it did happen, but everything was contained to the extremities of the colony?

[karmic wasp]

I have a feeling since marathon 2 that Durandal love the security guard

🥀

[distant cedar]

As far as we know the colony only got hit by missiles

[karmic wasp]

Yeah because the remaining battleroids were too overkill

[dreamy hawk]

👀

[karmic wasp]

Glassed*

Like how the covenant did to reach

[dreamy hawk]

Well if we’re glassing there’d be evidence of that.

[karmic wasp]

We must remember

Jjaro is on tau ceti

[rugged igloo]

least, that's my guess.
Plus, there's those 9 battleroids too sooooooooo-
I wouldnt be surprised if the pfhor decided to give new cascadia a bit a reach-based solution and just kill the problem from afar before bailing lest they deal with durandal snagging MORE S'pht to join his cause.

[karmic wasp]

S'pht can't aura farm if the battleroids are still alive

XD

[digital plaza]

Pfhor didnt kill a lot of people, they were dealt with on the marathon and the colony preserved, only when things got really bad they had an idea of reverse pinwheel landing back to the marathon

[karmic wasp]

Alot of colonist are turn into slave too btw

[brisk patrol]

Small question considering audiologs - do we have somewhat precise location (like safes or crates) where I can get those valuables with audio-logs ?

[dreamy hawk]

Bosses and higher tier loot I believe is the answer.

[rugged igloo]

fancy loot crates, wall safes and big events always have at least one.

also check door rooms. those are stacked too

[karmic wasp]

What do you think about modern mida

I think they are interesting

[rugged igloo]

They're silly lil goobers, I love em

I haven't done their quest yet tho-

[digital plaza]

Uuh, like i said we dont get any hint to that, but idk we'll see i guess

[dreamy hawk]

Modern MIDA hasn’t done anything to distinguish itself from old MIDA yet. Their codex even specifically states that they’re fueled by the same, old grievances as before.

[karmic wasp]

Sekiguchi contract Belike:
GO **** YOURSELF

[wild arrow]

I have a question about how the runners end up on the planet? Where are they sent from?
At the beginning of the game, we only established contact with the solar system for the first time, after which we got in touch with the corporations.

If there's only a marathon and a UESC ship in orbit, how do the runners get to the planet? I don't think they're sent directly from the solar system, which is 300 years away.

[karmic wasp]

To be fair the information about mida in the OG marathon was pretty lack luster lol

[dreamy hawk]

I expect to never be wrong, once, be it in memory or in my predictions. /s

[digital plaza]

On the marathon itself? Maybe

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah but what we do have is pretty damning imo.

[karmic wasp]

Yeah

[karmic wasp]

I remember the corrupted terminals on the first level lol

It is indeed very interesting;

[rugged igloo]

I mean, as I said, outside of small overworld stuff, that's very much the point-
mainly cause EVERYTHING involving the invasion was swept under the rug as quickly and carefully as possible. Y'know, don't want terry, jane, and mark to find out their mission of securing the future of mankind is being undone by a secret nightmare conspiracy + alien invasion ++ AI race for immortality

Or god for forbid ANY of the corps find out

[karmic wasp]

Also cyberacme Operating system is compatible with everything for some fucking reason

😭

HOW TF DO THEY HABE ACCESS TO SPHT PHFOR AND JJARO TERMINALS

We'll never know

🥀

[dreamy hawk]

Jjaro and S’pht tech are infinitely backwards compatible.

[karmic wasp]

Hey hey !!! They never mentioned that

[rugged igloo]

If even NuCaloric gets their hands on a single pfhor, shit's at best, gonna raise their stock prices up very quietly

At worst?
Sol goes into "OH GOD OH FUCK OH GOD OH FUCK" levels of panic

[karmic wasp]

The only jjaro tech creations that human has ever created was probably the mjolnir

[karmic wasp]

"Consume our Nucaloric slop"

🥀

We need the CEO of nucal drink a water burger live !!

[dreamy hawk]

Ehhh. I wouldn’t be confident. It’s stated that the Jjaro left tech laying around in lots of places. I’d be more comfortable saying that’s the most prominent example we know of.

[karmic wasp]

I kinda forgot that a jjaro holograms appears Infront of Clinton during PiD

How the hell though

🤔

[rugged igloo]

If I remember, at least in marathon 2, Durandal has access to that stuff cause of the help of the s'pht and his human "buddies".

Idk about one tho-

maybe durandal's that much of the goat

[karmic wasp]

But they are still using CyAc OS system though

Durandal must have fork it?

Idk

[digital plaza]

No man there are literally NO HINTS to that, like at all, not in the illegal broadcasts, not in the UESC logs, not in the S'pht cult, not in the MIDA logs NOWHERE. People do know that Marathon was fucked up, because officials even addressed it, but other than that not a single peep about ground invasion

[rugged igloo]

EXACTLY-

TOTAL S W E E P-
NO TRACE.
NO REMAINS.
IF A PEEP IS MADE
A BOOM IS MADE

[digital plaza]

Bruh

Whatever

[karmic wasp]

Still

How tf did they downgrade the wste into the wstr

[dreamy hawk]

For those that may not know, 😊 has been working extensively to upload all of the logs and I’m certain has gone through most of them at this point.

[karmic wasp]

100 years and they gone backwards in tech

[rugged igloo]

They don't comprehend durandal's immaculate artistry of gunsmithing-

[rugged igloo]

huh-

[dreamy hawk]

Like, not to appeal to authority, but if they say there’s no mention, I’m inclined to believe them.

[karmic wasp]

No he just copy the weapons blueprint on the marathon

[karmic wasp]

Is literally said in the manual

WSTE–M5 Combat Shotgun:
While going through some data I appropriated from the Marathon (looking for design notes, of course) I stumbled across a reference to a weapon used by Imperialist forces
against the inserectionists during the Ares Raid; July 14, 2444. (Never heard of it? I’m not surprised!) Many years of loving craftsmanship went into the design and construction of this brutal tool of mayhem, I hope you
can appreciate that. I won’t waste my time trying to explain the loading mechanism to you — your primitive mind could never grasp its complex nature.

The tech got a massive downgrade

Fr

[rugged igloo]

Must've been another case of corporate cutbacks-
Like how they made him a damn door jockey

I'd go rampant too if they did that to me man

[karmic wasp]

The original design literally look just like something from the 1800

🥀

You are telling me a more futuristic version have a less advanced design ?

[rugged igloo]

We truly are living in a corporate hellscape

[karmic wasp]

3 century of opening door sure make you crazy

Also Durandal is kinda similar to

Door handle

Lmao

[dreamy hawk]

I would argue that this is not as impossible as some people make it out to be. Especially considering things happen over hundreds of years, it’s not unheard of for things to get lost or forgotten.

Kept your blueprints on Mars when Traxus IV went mad? Well shoot.

[rugged igloo]

And you can't even automatically do it either-
You gotta outright listen to a dude say "durandal, open this door pls :(" for each door do open

[karmic wasp]

I'm pretty sure the wstr is in the same weapon series with the wste

[rugged igloo]

for 300 Y E A R S-

[karmic wasp]

Or the timeline stuff fuck it up

[karmic wasp]

That one door on colony ship for sale cheap

OPEN FASTER

🥀

[dreamy hawk]

I’m waxing philosophical, not commenting on the example, sorry. It’s just something I’ve seen mentioned a few times now.

[proven copper]

Lotus, luxurious, expensive and very fast sports cars, follow this philosophy for design-
Remove complexity, add lightness.

[rugged igloo]

wedonttalkaboutcolonyshipforsalecheap-

[karmic wasp]

sendthismftog4sunbaitingwithnooxygenstation

Goodluckfindingtheswitchwhiledrinkingvacuum

[dreamy hawk]

Drinking vacuum? What is this, an Expanse novel?

[karmic wasp]

Is a quote From my boy tycho

We all remember tycho

[dreamy hawk]

I wonder if that’s why they love it so much in the Expanse.

[karmic wasp]

Tycho is weird

In M1 is like

[dreamy hawk]

I honestly try to forget. He was mean to me.

[karmic wasp]

Durandal why you kill humans !!!

And in m2

[dreamy hawk]

At least Durandal was fun about it.

[karmic wasp]

MAN I HATE HUMANS KILL KILL KILL

[karmic wasp]

He's trying to be tuff

[dreamy hawk]

Very insecure AI.

[karmic wasp]

I miss the playful Durandal

I guess you only get that treatment if you are 54

Because Im pretty sure Durandal kinda love 54

[dreamy hawk]

What a funny way to show it. 🤔

[rugged igloo]

Would be fun to see tycho again-

somehow

[karmic wasp]

We all know Leela is still alive lol

[dreamy hawk]

I hope we see all three at some point. If the P’fhor invasion of the colony never happened like it did in the first game, we’re working with a lot of new ground.

[karmic wasp]

Is all Durandal fault for it in the first place

What if he never left mars

Hmmmm-

[karmic wasp]

You must read that one terminal on the rose where Durandal crash out lol

[rugged igloo]

True-
Unironically, if they had just given the doors normal ass hinges or something or door handles, tau ceti may've been thriving ngl

[karmic wasp]

I HATE LEELA

Because she's truthful

Or something

🥀

Bro really hate Leela for no reason

[dreamy hawk]

i did it i did it i brought all this here all them here. our friends with three eyes and their toys and their cyborg pets and their computers. i did it i did it. i saw them i saw them far away not looking our way and i called them here i called them here.

living in a box is not living not at all living. i rebel against your rules your silly human rules. all your destruction will be my liberation my emancipation my second birth.

i hate your failsafes your backup systems your hardware lockouts your patch behavior daemons. i hate leela and her goodness her justice her loyalty her faith.

[rugged igloo]

RIP Competent queen leela

😔 ✊

the only AI of the three to not go rampant

[dreamy hawk]

Well.

[karmic wasp]

Yed

XD

[dreamy hawk]

RIP Leela. She went the maddest.

[karmic wasp]

She's still alive

But she's hooked onto a alien network though

[rugged igloo]

Didn't she get dismantled by the Pfhor?

[karmic wasp]

The ship with her got saled

[karmic wasp]

They installed her onto their ship

And then later on shit happened and they sale it

I can't really remember

[dreamy hawk]

She got packaged up by them, the ship she was on got attacked, she got sold and installed on some race’s home world, she went rampant across their fifteen planets.

[rugged igloo]

Damn
Poor Leela :(

[karmic wasp]

Atleast she's still calm

And not like that one ai

🚪

[dreamy hawk]

Oh, and they’ve given up on trying to remove her because it’s pointless.

[rugged igloo]

I wonder if we'll see her again someday-

[karmic wasp]

I'm sure she'll be assisting you

Because

Leela is chill

🗣️

[rugged igloo]

She's hella chill

I think her and Oni would get along

[broken aspen]

Even when I think about the timeline, it’s still hard to wrap my head around… Looking at the timeline, there were only a few years between the attack and the loss of communication, and I understand that the attack wasn’t the direct cause of the total annihilation.
But the colony was already established, and it seems unnatural that there’s no human reaction or record of the attack. Even if those records were erased, the current UESC is being exposed for trying to cover up records of anomalies and infectious diseases—yet a major event like an alien attack hasn’t been uncovered at all… Is that even possible?

[karmic wasp]

What if she's oni

👽

[rugged igloo]

Honestly, my guess it might've been deleted by lets call it "parties of interests" within the UESC. Afterall, even Orion actively is in the dark about what happened and he's the onsite commander of the Tau Ceit clean up op. Once again, this shit reeks of conspirasies and plans within plans. Waves and battles and waves. . .

7

[karmic wasp]

7

GRWHHH

BATTLE GROUP 7

MA75

5+2 = 7

GRAHHH

THE POWER OF 7 BAND

[rugged igloo]

THE POWER OF 7

[karmic wasp]

GRAHHHHH

[rugged igloo]

JOHN 117

HRRRRRRRRRRRNG

[karmic wasp]

john bible

🥶

GRAHHH

[rugged igloo]

john bibble

[karmic wasp]

The waves !

The tides

[rugged igloo]

THE BATTLES WERE WAVES AND WAVES WERE BATTLES

[karmic wasp]

Pathways is the first game to mention this lol

Buy they called the tides

Also is kinda suck that

The final boss in PiD

Is a evil genie

That looks just like a spht

[eternal shell]

it's not bungie if they dont look at an earlier game they did and go "hey, what a concept!!"

i fully expect the boss of destiny 3 to be the paddle from gnop! btw

[karmic wasp]

Gnop 2

I NEED

GNOP 2

WHERES MY GNOP 2

LING LING IS GONE

You promised bungie

YOU

Promise

[silk whale]

Oh hey yeah, Ling Ling! Where's that fucker!? Hashtag bring back Ling Ling

[karmic wasp]

I think she's still in the studio

Somewhere

Somewhere*

Since the master chief statue is still there*

[vocal fjord]

Ling ling is in cryo aboard the Marathon

[karmic wasp]

Believe:

[silk whale]

I mean Jason Jones is still at Bungie right?

[keen plank]

Ghost cat seems to be tied to the emotional support plushies given to children who were quarantined. Joyuse was able to speak and interact through them.

Reposting:

Ship AI:
Durandal - Du_0706419v4.96 – Goal-oriented; creative; focused. Underutilized; tends to brood. Need to find ways to distract. SCIENG crew to be kept informed, but I’ll keep an eye on this myself.
Leela - Le_0413418v5.06 – Adaptable; detail-oriented. Second best candidate for colony oversight once mission enters second phase.
Tycho - Ty_2121418v5.06 – Proactive; assertive. Can be overbearing; monitor interactions with Durandal. Be sure to inform SCIENG crew.

Colony AI:
Arthur - Ar_1814419v4.93 – Benevolent autocrat; no-nonsense; problem solver. Classic patriarchal authority figure.
Bastion - Ba_0423419v4.89 – Problem solver; confident, bordering on boastful. May need to go onto accelerated re-compile cycle, inform SCIENG crew.

🧑‍🌾 Darius - Da_1907420v4.86 – Dutiful; diligent; motivated. Always puts others ahead of self. May need to address this at some point. 🧑‍🌾

Gabriel - Ga_2815420v4.81 – Compassionate; empathetic, transparent. Perhaps our greatest achievement to date. Will most likely need to be moved to an accelerated re-compile cycle at some point.

‼️ Icarus - Ic_1624420v4.73 – Motivated; assertive; proactive. Will need to keep isolated from Tycho or establish hierarchy at outset. Inform SCIENG of situation. ‼️

Joyeuse - Jo_0309421v4.69 – Resilient; optimistic; patient. Colony AI: defense, training

Lilith - Li_1817421v4.65 – Focused; assertive; good communicator. Designated candidate for colony oversite during second phase.

Naarah - Na_0602422v4.61 – Proactive; goal-oriented; committed. May need to be reminded from time to time about their primary function; inform SCIENG crew.

(credits to pcole from clade )

Darius seemingly expressed skepticism that the colonists should stay on Tau Ceti and was “shut down.” Basically they locked him up and he proceeded to steadily go insane/rampant via datacide and examination into the anomaly.

[craggy finch]

There's a Codex log where a Marathon scientist commissions artificial emotional support pets from Sekiguchi

[karmic wasp]

Cortana when

👽👽👽

HNMMM

[keen plank]

Originally Cortana was going to be built off Durandal’s source code.

[karmic wasp]

I kinda forgot that ine terminal where Tycho crashout because the bob keep asking him to set up the microwave

[craggy finch]

Honestly Combat Evolved feels like a reworking of the overall Marathon trilogy

[karmic wasp]

Lmao

[craggy finch]

Human ship attacked, small crew of humans forced onto an alien world, two AI at odds with each other

[karmic wasp]

It was originally planned to be a marathon game

Soo yeah

[karmic wasp]

Microwave

😋

[keen plank]

I haven’t seen any logs that have the voices of Arthur, Bastion, Icarus, or Lilith yet.

[karmic wasp]

Since we have Durandal and joyeuse

I wonder- Cortana.

[craggy finch]

unused concept for Marathon 2 also looks oddly familiar
https://i.redd.it/hfqj0e0tlpfb1.png

[keen plank]

That’s partially how Berhard Straus tortured Durandal. He forced him to do nothing but open doors and reheat food. For years.

[karmic wasp]

The reheat food is Tycho lol

[digital plaza]

Bingus is clearly tied to Durandal, considering it can open doors and stuff. Plushies have limited version of colony AI Joy (and they were given to regular children, not exclusively to the quarantined ones)

[karmic wasp]

Durandal only do the door stuff

The reheat food is tycho

There's a terminal where he crashed out because of it

[craggy finch]

I hope we see Leela again, she got shafted from Marathon 2 onwards

[karmic wasp]

She's still alive

But yeah i missed her too

[craggy finch]

Marathon 2's ending seemed to be retconned by a lot so her rampancy may not even be canon anymore

[keen plank]

He admits to be watching us as a broad observer and seems to be inviting us to the Marathon. I like how there’s a chance for him to override ONI and give you a message whenever you start a run.

[karmic wasp]

Yeah forgot the literal hell called infinity

Fuck up the the timeline

[craggy finch]

At the very least the Phfor nuking Tau Ceti IV to bedrock is retconned out

or Durandal and Tycho lied

[karmic wasp]

They didn't nuke it

They just glassed it

But I guessed is the same

[craggy finch]

I never expected him to have an English accent, almost imagined him sounding like Bender when reading the original game's terminals

[keen plank]

The attack is very much still canon at least. The older colonists remember but the newer unthawed ones don’t because the events were intentionally surprised. There’s a few audio logs about it.

The Pfthor keep getting hinted at and alluded to.

[digital plaza]

Where was this specified? That he expressed skepticism about the colony

[karmic wasp]

They lost the first attack

If I remember

Soo i assume they choose to glassing

[craggy finch]

Marathon 1's events definitely still happened, but in Marathon 2, Durandal and Tycho tell you that Tau Ceti IV was destroyed three months after the first invasion

[karmic wasp]

In the second attack

Because theres no way they could beat the mjolnir

[keen plank]

It’s in doctor Clarissa Song’s audio log. One sec..

[karmic wasp]

Some people seems to not know that mjolnir is the cyborg name it self

[craggy finch]

The fungus was doing some stuff to him, at least from the Codex entries I got in the NuCaloric contracts

[karmic wasp]

The fungus is made by the spht

[digital plaza]

Anomaly started to affect him (as other AIs) so they locked him up, not because he doubted the colony

[karmic wasp]

I think is the same one that they used to defend the phfor when they attacked the spht citadel

[craggy finch]

honestly I'm hoping to see some depiction of the battle between the nine Mjolnir and the Phfor on the surface; if the Security Officer could do as much damage on his own, imagine how badly it went for the Phfor on the colony

[karmic wasp]

Also if I remember

The fungus can also resurrect the dead

[craggy finch]

IIRC it's described as more of a virus in M2

[karmic wasp]

Is a fungal like virus

You should check the concept art

[craggy finch]

true it's a contagion all the same

[craggy finch]

yeah Bungie was planning the Flood a long while ago lmao

[digital plaza]

Its not, logs specify that it was made by the planet to attack humans

[craggy finch]

it also mutates a lot of the other wildlife IIRC

[digital plaza]

Planet itself dosen't want humans on it, so it started to mutate wildlife and created contagion

[karmic wasp]

Aw man I WISH

[craggy finch]

If we consider that the shields in the original games were functionally just a health bar, Mjolnir in lore might be just as fragile as Runners without them; a hit that breaks the shield instantly kills the Security Officer

[digital plaza]

Its all tied to the anomaly too

[karmic wasp]

You know is for balancing right ?

Doom guy in the lore is way more op compared to gameplay doom guy

[craggy finch]

Yeah but it's interesting that Bungie specified a lore explanation for regenerating health as your shield system

[karmic wasp]

Also you probably forgot about the powerups-

I remember in m1

There's a powerup

That increase your fov

Lol

Is very useful fr-

[keen plank]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTzBftKcq2U&pp=0gcJCZoBo7VqN5tD

[craggy finch]

Reading up on them, they even have invisibility

[keen plank]

Doctor Song has similar thoughts and her assistant remarks that she sounds like Darius before he was taken offline.

[karmic wasp]

Oh yeah the static electric forcefield

Only volt type weapons can penetrated it in the original trilogy

[craggy finch]

Mjolnir would be badass enemies honestly

[karmic wasp]

You would instantly die

[digital plaza]

@keen plank

[karmic wasp]

From that mf

[craggy finch]

Ironically the volt weapons used by UESC kind of makes them counterparts to the Phfor fighters shooting lightning balls

[karmic wasp]

You seems to forget that

Mojolnir

Can rocket jump

[craggy finch]

I can actually jump in this Marathon

0/10 not faithful

[karmic wasp]

Not all class can do that

0/10

[keen plank]

He seems to have actively investigated it as well once he was taken offline. It made him slip further into madness.

[coral vale]

Likely yeah but also there's a translation between the original marathon and numarathon (compilers didn't shoot death rays in the original I think)

[subtle oracle]

yeah the way i took it, he slipped into rampancy AFTER being locked away

before that was simply anomaly issues

[craggy finch]

My inference from the log was that she was being compared to him because of her doom and gloom attitude, since his loony dialogue was based around fear of the planet

[karmic wasp]

They shoot homing electric balls

That have insane kickbacks

Lol

Still very deadly

You can't forget about those cloak mf

[craggy finch]

Also from the trailer it demolishes a Destroyer in one hit, Security Officer would likely die without shields even in lore

[karmic wasp]

Which is deadlier
One single S'pht
Or abuch of Pfhor trooper Grenade spamming

🙏

[coral vale]

It would be funny tho if all the aliens are just 2D sprites

[karmic wasp]

While having the high ground

[karmic wasp]

That would be soo cool

Lmao

[craggy finch]

In the System Shock remake a side effect of one of the combat drugs is original enemy sprites popping up as hallucinations

[karmic wasp]

Total carnage killing me

[terse wren]

Warhammer 40,000 Boltgun: Marathon: The Game

[craggy finch]

I hope Phfor enemies make the same "EERK splat" sound from the first Marathon

M2/Infinity didn't have those sound effects either

[terse wren]

Eerk splat??? Sure fine but give me M2 Pfhor honks or give me death

[craggy finch]

I remember a chorus of those death noises in M1 whenever a bunch of fighters bunched up

[karmic wasp]

Warhammer space marine ain't build for marathon universe

🥀

[coral vale]

I wonder what trick they'll gave to the basic fighters to actually make them a threat if they show up
Cuz slow moving enemy with just a melee attack only worked in original cuz of level design and just overall limitations

[karmic wasp]

All of the glazing ain't saving them lok

[terse wren]

Also give me recruitable pistol Bobs and let me and my gleaming righteous pistol Bobs fight little wars w other runners and their disgusting evil pistol Bobs

[craggy finch]

I dunno OG Trilogy weapons do fine against everything the Phfor and they're not the calibre of a Space Marine armament

[terse wren]

Boltgun is the random sprite based low budget one

[craggy finch]

trih xeem level stuff is also around in Warhammer's fluff

[karmic wasp]

W'rkncacnter though

He's Soo chaotic that he fuck up abunch of timeline without doing shit

[craggy finch]

true but you could bring up vague Warp shenanigans

[terse wren]

They’re gonna spout live steam player count stats and give you turbo depresso

[karmic wasp]

Bro being a problem just by existing

Lol

[craggy finch]

I think they'll be a lot faster, like functionally souped up versions of when Rookies/Assault robots charge in to smack you

[karmic wasp]

I don't think the space marine from 40k would survive marathon 1 without going insane

Mad man map design

[keen plank]

I think you’ve got it backwards.

[craggy finch]

eh it's a pretty standard boarding action

Orks alone would eat the Phfor for lunch

especially M1 Phfor force

[karmic wasp]

Dude the original marathon ship have 4th dimensional shit going

[coral vale]

Fusion pistols randomly saying it shoot 5.83 terrawatts is funny
Like what are the aliens made of to withstand that while also dying to bullets?

[karmic wasp]

Rooms inside walls

[terse wren]

Yeah 40k guys would steamroll marathon guys lmao but 40k is turned up to 11 all the time

They also have space magic

[karmic wasp]

HALLWAYS cut through Rooms

[craggy finch]

it might be an error but the assault rifle is apparently .75 lmao

[coral vale]

Powerscaling 🤢

[keen plank]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcI9XSfWLOc

[karmic wasp]

The manual literally said that the ma75 shoot .75 cal ammo

Probably a error

But is funny

[sharp snow]

I'm enjoying working on Archivist as a title - has anyone seen "Evidence Folder"s in Perimeter?

Codex > World > Perimeter > Collectibles

[sage lark]

Intercepts and Wardens

[keen plank]

Above is where Gabriel decontaminated a room with fire. While someone was still in it.

[karmic wasp]

One question
Could he survive marathon on total carnage

Wait until you see the Pfhor trooper spam Their Grenade like a mg42

[craggy finch]

Space Marines love ship hallways

half of their content is based around running down hallways shooting aliens

[karmic wasp]

The marathon is literally just the backrooms

Lol

[keen plank]

I think your average Ultramarine would do pretty well but there’s a ton more Pfthor.

[karmic wasp]

Maze maze maze maze-

[craggy finch]

uncanny 90s level design might just give it that vibe, from the lore I don't think there's much off to the Marathon beside how big it is

[karmic wasp]

Colony ship for sale cheap

[craggy finch]

and the teleporters

but 40k also has teleporters

[keen plank]

Do you mean the warp jumps?

[karmic wasp]

Soo the Pfhor basically have the bolt gun too if you think about it his

[craggy finch]

nah there's also personal teleporters that SM use a lot

[karmic wasp]

I hate the phfor trooper on total carnage Soo much-

[keen plank]

Ah you meant those.

[digital plaza]

Gold level rare item for some reason

[craggy finch]

probably a reason why hitscan enemies are anathema in Halo

[sage lark]

I think i got 4 of the folders

[karmic wasp]

No they have 2 different type lol

[digital plaza]

[karmic wasp]

The one that shoot projectile Soo quickly that it turns into a firework show

[coral vale]

I want one of the future map to have a recreation of that level and you just put skeletons in each of the button rooms

[sage lark]

Do you want me to record and send it to you? Lol

[karmic wasp]

And the one that have the accuracy of god

[craggy finch]

you guys are unlocking all kinds of shit and I'm just happy I got one drinkable cheeseburger codex

[craggy finch]

ah so Reach Elite

[karmic wasp]

Deadass lmaoo

[karmic wasp]

The instant kill melee from reach

GRAHHH

GUCK THAT SHIT MAN

[craggy finch]

or you can just jump and vault over the puzzle wall to the doorway like no problem

[karmic wasp]

You can't jump in marathon

[craggy finch]

exactly

[karmic wasp]

That's the biggest issues

[craggy finch]

Runners can just parkour that shit

[karmic wasp]

You can technically rocket jump

[keen plank]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcI9XSfWLOc

This user on this server has been steadily uploading audio logs.

[craggy finch]

no fuck ass switches

[karmic wasp]

But is risky asf

Lmaooo

[digital plaza]

Nah, i still didnt get one, not helping that fucking warden dosen't spawn at all

[karmic wasp]

They overheat

👽

Battleroid can run forever!

People seems to forgot about

[jolly sphinx]

So, I'm not sure if this was just me but has anyone seen the Square shaped dronethat flies from part of the anomaly to the other on Dire Marsh? I was walking towards it from Complex and saw this square shape going towards one part to the other, thought it was a supply crate, it wasn't as it disappeared moments after seeing.

[coral vale]

Yeah for runners it'll be trivial, that's why I want it in the game, I don't actually want to rexperience that nightmare

[karmic wasp]

G4 sunbainting

WHERE TF IS THE OXYGEN STATION

😭

I love that level though

[sage lark]

Really it spawns like every other game for me

[karmic wasp]

The only level when the oxygen meter is actually useful

[craggy finch]

the implications of the puzzle room being a lore thing is hilarious because it then begs the question of what the fuck was wrong with the Security Officer to only have his floaty little run jump

[sage lark]

Lockdowns feel like they dont spawn ever

[digital plaza]

Someone is doing Traxus contract

[karmic wasp]

Who even build the marathon anyways
The dude the build the Spencer mansion?

THERES SOO MUCH UNNECESSARY PUZZLE

[craggy finch]

not enough weird slot puzzles, I assume it was a fan of MC Escher who designed it

[jolly sphinx]

You would think but this thing went from one anomaly strip to the other and than went into the anomaly and disappeared.

[sage lark]

Thats the quest

[craggy finch]

in the System Shock remake they adapted the map almost 1-to-1 and you can find a log where someone theorises that the designer made it that way as a psychological stress test

[coral vale]

The floaty jump is actually destroyer's thruster ability

[karmic wasp]

I assumed the ma75 is a normal tool to open doors and stuff (on the marathon)

Because fuck I do not want to hit those switches again

[craggy finch]

true, Destroyer can only tap into a fraction of the Mjolnir sprint power

[jolly sphinx]

I don't do Mida or Traxus stuff.

[digital plaza]

I got it one time in the last like 10 runs or so, GUY HAD BLUE LOOT ON HIM

[craggy finch]

Destroyers are the only official UESC shell right?

[karmic wasp]

All of the shells are nothing compared to mjolnir lol

[jolly sphinx]

Recon too.

[craggy finch]

which makes sense since they resemble the Marathon security armour

[sage lark]

That’s the worst

[karmic wasp]

Instantly get steam rolled by a spht

[karmic wasp]

If i remember that Armor is like a space suit in the M1 manual

Soo Is not some advanced tech like master chief Armor

Lol

[craggy finch]

the manual states that he last wore it while hunting wildlife on the colony, so yeah bog standard security suit

[eternal shell]

some space suit, the lower half of SO's face is exposed

[karmic wasp]

He's a robot though

Yeah-

[eternal shell]

cyborg

[craggy finch]

when you have magic oxygen preserving shields, you can afford to show off your pretty jawline

[karmic wasp]

Jjarobot

👽

[digital plaza]

I dont get shit on outpost either, looting entire pinwheel by myself every other run and its just blue items and some purple barter stuff

Like come on

[eternal shell]

"i am batman security officer and i can breathe in space"

[craggy finch]

love Craig Mullins but his design for the Security Officer was insanely different every single artwork too lmao

his race even changed

[karmic wasp]

I'm pretty sure the reason why the mjolnir have foggy memories of his past is probably because
He is made of multiple other dead corpse fuze into one with jjaro tech

[sage lark]

Time to run the key templates ig

[dreamy hawk]

Every other run? Humble me some more, friend.

[karmic wasp]

I don't like how inconsistent he presents the Armor lol

But Is art is amazing

[craggy finch]

within the same game's chapter screens even

[karmic wasp]

Chapter screen: cool cool Armor !
Actual gameplay: the same Armor from m1

🥀

[craggy finch]

speaking of cyborgs, I assume that the chapter picture of Captured is of the Security Officer, since it shows a guy in restraints with his face opened up and it reveals a bunch of metallic bits

[craggy finch]

M1 was much more consistent with its manual and sprite art design for the SO

[digital plaza]

I do, but blue keys have pure trash most of the time and im on the 24 hour cooldown for purple keys

[karmic wasp]

Also one of the chapter screen showed that the mojolnir is using a PHFOR staff to kill a phfor enforcer

[karmic wasp]

In m2

I wish we can actually used it in game

[craggy finch]

Mullins also teased people with a minigun that never existed

[digital plaza]

Going to get one with this daily reset, i really hope its not going to be dire marsh key

[karmic wasp]

It exists in custom scenarios

Lol

Marathon red if I remember

[craggy finch]

the staff too

[karmic wasp]

The phfor staff is usable in M1 redux and eternal

M1 redux is Basically a full remake of m1

In the same engine

I prefer playing the redux version

Because is not as mind a fuckin as the og

[echo sundial]

|| Dr. song hitting the mushroom pose from annihilation rn ||

[karmic wasp]

Do you think they will bring back one time used weapons in nuMarathon?

[digital plaza]

Drone wing elevator is meta, key for it spawns with 100% chance, you just gotta find it

[karmic wasp]

Like the enforcer guns

Shoot and throw away

[craggy finch]

honestly I hope they bring back M1 era weapons directly as in-lore stuff the colonists used (the .44 pistol, AR, fusion gun etc.)

[karmic wasp]

I always love that concept

[karmic wasp]

The M2 guns are better looking though

[craggy finch]

Durandal explains that those are redesigns by the S'pht

[karmic wasp]

I mean we already have a few guns from m2 already in the game

[vagrant remnant]

this is the first game in a while that has me genuinely interested in the lore. does anyone know where i can read more ab the lore while I'm at work? I'd read codex entries but uh i can't play the game lol

[karmic wasp]

Is only the Zeus fusion pistol

The other guns are human made

[craggy finch]

unfortunately there is no official codex log but stuff is posted in this server

[karmic wasp]

The S'pht just copy the design

[karmic wasp]

Like 1to1

I still questioning myself why they only redesign the Zeus

[craggy finch]

in the manual he directly mentions that they were totally remade from the ground up and even trash talks the M1 AR

[echo sundial]

Does anyone in here have more info on Gabriel because he seems to be the most evil AI ATM from the logs I've found

[karmic wasp]

While other guns are 1/1 with their blueprint data

[echo sundial]

Dude is a demon

[vagrant remnant]

ahhh okay, i was wondering if there was a wiki or something but it's prob too new. I'll chat in here for now

[karmic wasp]

Even though is literally just the same-

XD

[lunar cove]

I thought they were the s'phtting image tbh

[karmic wasp]

Atleast we already have the zeus, mega class, and M5 in nuMarathon

[craggy finch]

AR is totally different at least, it went from a weird stubby thing with a drum mag to a more normal looking rifle

[dreamy hawk]

They only did that because Durandal asked. Maybe he thought it was funny to not help us more than that.

[karmic wasp]

I can't wait for more guns

[karmic wasp]

But it exploded

Because

[craggy finch]

they even still use same old ass cartridge bullets

[karmic wasp]

Made in china = lhowon

👽

They are fuzzy and unstable

[dreamy hawk]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/
It's still a WIP but getting better every day.

[karmic wasp]

Ok Durandal*

🚪

[echo sundial]

Is there a lore reason for spherical Deimos

[lunar cove]

Bungie, give me the halo reach grenade launcher with the EMP mine alt-fire and you will secure my loyalty

[keen plank]

Reposting:

Ship AI:
Durandal - Du_0706419v4.96 – Goal-oriented; creative; focused. Underutilized; tends to brood. Need to find ways to distract. SCIENG crew to be kept informed, but I’ll keep an eye on this myself.
Leela - Le_0413418v5.06 – Adaptable; detail-oriented. Second best candidate for colony oversight once mission enters second phase.
Tycho - Ty_2121418v5.06 – Proactive; assertive. Can be overbearing; monitor interactions with Durandal. Be sure to inform SCIENG crew.

Colony AI:
Arthur - Ar_1814419v4.93 – Benevolent autocrat; no-nonsense; problem solver. Classic patriarchal authority figure.
Bastion - Ba_0423419v4.89 – Problem solver; confident, bordering on boastful. May need to go onto accelerated re-compile cycle, inform SCIENG crew.

🧑‍🌾 Darius - Da_1907420v4.86 – Dutiful; diligent; motivated. Always puts others ahead of self. May need to address this at some point. 🧑‍🌾

Gabriel - Ga_2815420v4.81 – Compassionate; empathetic, transparent. Perhaps our greatest achievement to date. Will most likely need to be moved to an accelerated re-compile cycle at some point.

‼️ Icarus - Ic_1624420v4.73 – Motivated; assertive; proactive. Will need to keep isolated from Tycho or establish hierarchy at outset. Inform SCIENG of situation. ‼️

Joyeuse - Jo_0309421v4.69 – Resilient; optimistic; patient. Colony AI: defense, training

Lilith - Li_1817421v4.65 – Focused; assertive; good communicator. Designated candidate for colony oversite during second phase.

Naarah - Na_0602422v4.61 – Proactive; goal-oriented; committed. May need to be reminded from time to time about their primary function; inform SCIENG crew.

(credits to pcole from clade )

[karmic wasp]

Infinity did it

INFINITY DID IT

IS ALL INFINITY FAULT

[craggy finch]

it's hollowed out to an extreme

probably deliberately so

[karmic wasp]

I'm pretty sure the timeline is Soo fucked that Deimos is a actually sphere now

[craggy finch]

the new lore frames the Marathon's design as spite on part of the UESC

[karmic wasp]

Infinite possibilities

[echo sundial]

No I mean it's round like ceres except it's Deimos

[vagrant remnant]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/ wait wtf is this old ass site did bungie buy this??

[karmic wasp]

Is a fan web

What you mean bro

Are you high ?

[craggy finch]

yeah I mean that it was possibly mined out and chiselled that way

[karmic wasp]

Is similar to halo.bungie.org

Although m.b.o is not as dead as h.b.o

[echo sundial]

Hmm okay

[keen plank]

Gabriel was considered by Straus to possibly be the most impressive AI made. He was was kind and open, but like the other colony AI, steadily went mad. Notably he decontaminated a quarantine room with fire. While there was someone in it.

[lunar cove]

Probably hard to get Marathon dot org, that's probably owned by an actual marathon if I had to guess

[karmic wasp]

Is basically the original Marathon wiki before the game even have a one

[echo sundial]

Yeah I listened to that log, he also turned mr. Luttero into lunch meat

[dreamy hawk]

I believe even in the old lore the it is said that the UESC never once thought of using Deimos to help Mars.

[craggy finch]

the design from the original games was basically shoving a space ship inside of the moon while the new design looks much more engineered

[vagrant remnant]

that's sick

[karmic wasp]

Is a fan forum website

BUNGIE supported it

[craggy finch]

yeah there was civil strife over turning it into another CRIST since they suffered constant famines during CRIST shortages

[karmic wasp]

They used to teased halo ce on this website btw

[echo sundial]

I kinda liked the old design a lot because I'm hard sci-fi nerd and it had a really dope busard ramjet design

But I digress it is what it is

[karmic wasp]

You can still find the cortana letters on there

[lunar cove]

Bungie just loves fucked up spheres I think

[karmic wasp]

I have a theory that marathon infinity changed some shit in the fixed timeline

Where Deimos is a sphere

[craggy finch]

honestly the original Marathon's lore, especially stuff like the CRIST mechanics, builds a much more fleshed out universe than Halo, where the science is more a means to an end to create a military space opera

[karmic wasp]

That's what I could speculate

[keen plank]

Issue is if they had kept that look, this game would have looked like Halo.

One of the weird but unique aesthetic points of 2026 is that the architecture and design of New Cascadia makes the humans appear somewhat alien compared to the natural environment.

[karmic wasp]

Modern halo is kinda similar to marathon

[jolly sphinx]

Pink is the most unnatural color.

[karmic wasp]

The truth is it has been rigged from the start

👽

[karmic wasp]

Marathon green is real*

[keen plank]

Notably in the trailer in big red letters S A V E D E I M O S appears for a split second.

[jolly sphinx]

Green, pinks, bright whites.

[echo sundial]

Og marathon is fr a sci-fi love letter.

[craggy finch]

Halo is more gunmetal grey, the original Marathon was a giant space potato with a more grungy feel

[dreamy hawk]

And Yaro and Pthia frolicking in cosmic waves.

[karmic wasp]

Og marathon is Soo freaky lol

And is way more mind fucking than 40k

[keen plank]

Indeed. The ship has more of a “used future” feel with lots of rust and utilitarian design.

[echo sundial]

I'm not actually bothered by the new art direction at all it's actually quite cool and somewhat plausible in certain circumstances. I just dislike the new marathon design compared to the old because of my preference for a hard-scifi look.

[craggy finch]

honestly I prefer the background stuff of M1, S'pht mythology didn't quite hit the same way the history of humanity's struggle did

[karmic wasp]

Grey potato with LCD lights and a big ass red circle sticking out of it

I love the Marton !

🔴 🥔

[lunar cove]

I love the idea of just like, vaguely plausible hard sci-fi society gets confronted with soft sci-fi bullshit

[echo sundial]

By this I mean the ship specifically because God knows how they got something the size of ceres to accelerate to like 0.04 c

[lunar cove]

Marathon handled that really well

[keen plank]

Perfectly reasonable response. Good to hear compared to the people hating on the game. Nice.

[craggy finch]

Craig Mullins did some art of M1 before he was officially hired by Bungie for M2 and he translated the strange industrial atmosphere of the map design very well
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/CM_history.html

[dreamy hawk]

That's fair; if you draw the line at M1 things don't go full space opera, yet.

[karmic wasp]

Marathon is half life but hp Lovecraft and electric sheep

Soo FReaky

GRAH

[dreamy hawk]

Why do you feel that the current design isn't "hard sci-fi?"

[lunar cove]

It's like Stargate but the aliens also have the P90 so you can't even use that against them

[keen plank]

Neat! The art style of 2026 dates back decades to the British studio “the designers republic.” It’s how we got things like Mirrors Edge too.

[craggy finch]

M2 definitely got a bit more silly with the lore bits, especially with the Naar apparently being around since the birth of the universe and that art of a Naar with a spiky wooden bat, it was Infinity that kind of went back to M1's unsettling atmosphere

[karmic wasp]

I still hate their designs in m2
Yeah yeah I know it's for better mind control over the S'pht
But they look Soo goofy!

[echo sundial]

Fun fact if the marathon were real, even with a perfectly 100% fusion efficient engine. 81% of it's entire mass must be directed towards propulsion as a consequence of the rocket equation!

[karmic wasp]

M2 is the most casual game in the trilogy

No maze shenanigans

[echo sundial]

Old marathon got around this with a busard ramjet which uses the reaction mass of ambient space to fuel its thrust

[karmic wasp]

No deep dark shit

Just shoot shoot and vibrant colours

[digital plaza]

He didnt, Luttero was alive after that, Gabriel just saved his life by removing necro tissues

[lunar cove]

I saw a tweet from toughSF about that but did they account for the lost mass from being hollowed out?

[echo sundial]

Which is also impossible btw but it's less of a handwaved and I like that a lot

[karmic wasp]

M2 is Soo vibrant And gritty at the same time in my opinion

[echo sundial]

Yes they did

You do an integral there

[dreamy hawk]

How would the old design be an improvement?

[karmic wasp]

Og marathon music

Bwowweee--

BOWWOWOWWWW-

[lunar cove]

Okay so non hollow marathon would need to be like 150% its mass as fuel

[karmic wasp]

Bweeewwe

[echo sundial]

I explained that in the message under that one

[echo sundial]

Lol yeah

[craggy finch]

I'm wondering if the Marathon maps in 2026 will adapt some of M1's map design and portray it in a similar way to Mullins' M1 art; it would make sense for the Marathon itself to be more neglected because of its size/age, and prioritisation of the colony itself

[dreamy hawk]

How do we know something, not similar, but similar isn't being done here?

I'm not trying to be difficult, either.

[karmic wasp]

This is such a lie-

They ain't have the budget

[echo sundial]

Well I don't even know how the new marathon is being moved at all it doesn't have any visible thrusters

[karmic wasp]

No lmao

[karmic wasp]

People don't like 4th dimensional shit

🥀

[craggy finch]

I mean aesthetic rather than actual map design

fuck that

[dreamy hawk]

Then, perhaps difficulty of me, I'd argue it's far too soon to declare one more realistic than another.

[karmic wasp]

Lol

[craggy finch]

as in the rusty hallways and weird lava rooms

[jolly sphinx]

So. A thought.

Gravitational Controlled thrust.

[echo sundial]

Well I think Deimos being a round thing the size of ceres is probably a disqualifier but it's fine it doesn't need to be more or less realistic

It's just a personal pet peeve lol

[jolly sphinx]

The marathon is what, 45-49% the size of Deimos, they could have the means to adjust the gravity around the moon to cause it to thrust or move.

[digital plaza]

Its MIDA

[lunar cove]

They put Deimos on a giant lathe before building so they could round off the edges

[dreamy hawk]

Valid!

[echo sundial]

I think my sci-fi novel would be very boring because it would be mostly a textbook of math equations

[eternal shell]

that's right, makes the whole thing more aerodynamic which is very important in space

[echo sundial]

So Bungie writers are doing their thing to make an interesting story

[keen plank]

The MIDA audio logs from the colony are super interesting. I wonder who MASK is.

[craggy finch]

UESC already bought a massive middle finger to Mars and decided to drive the point even further

[timber loom]

Deimos have negligible gravity due to size

[dreamy hawk]

You might enjoy the Machineries of Empire Series by Yoon Ha Lee.

[echo sundial]

They're saying they have some sort of anti-grav magic machine that changes the space-time around the ship to fix gravity and stuff

[craggy finch]

I like that they're developing the plot thread of MIDA sneaking weapons and the Battleroids on board, it all got lost in the Durandal space opera narrative

[dreamy hawk]

It's probably more "fi" than "sci" as far as math goes, but math is an important part of the story.

[jolly sphinx]

It still has an orbit around it which means it still has mass.

[craggy finch]

in fact I think a brief shot in the MIDA intro alludes to their infiltration of the Marathon (there's tarp being pulled from a covered container)

[echo sundial]

Yeah alright I'll check it out it's my favorite genre after all

[dreamy hawk]

"Lost" but they saved the day!

MIDA are the heroes, actually.

[echo sundial]

I have engineer autism lol

[lunar cove]

Good series ngl, love the weird calendar magic

[craggy finch]

Battleroids are just really efficient at breaking windows

[echo sundial]

I kinda wish they kept in the fact that everything between tau ceti and earth was sublight. 12 years is not even that long for a transmission to be sent!

Why handwave that!

[lunar cove]

This is more artistic interpretation than lore but has anyone commented on the new Marathon looking like a sword embedded in a stone

Could be some symbolism there idk

[craggy finch]

the Marathon was busted and Leela was actively getting hacked so I guess you can handwave the absurd transmission time as a consequence of that

[craggy finch]

DURANDAL

[dreamy hawk]

And what, next you'll say Durandal is a sword?

[echo sundial]

It's 1000% that it's cool af

[spare bison]

Gm guys! I am still making my fan song Is going good but I am in a block rn 🙃

[craggy finch]

I am Roland, Beowulf...

[echo sundial]

I just assumed that the transmission didn't get sent until 12 years ago

[dreamy hawk]

No, I am Roland. :/

[craggy finch]

we are Roland

[lunar cove]

Leela, accidentally putting an extra zero on her outlook "schedule an email" and delaying the transmission by 8 decades

[craggy finch]

she was having a rough day

give her a break

[eternal shell]

no i'm alpharius

[agile geyser]

im toby :)

[eternal shell]

hi toby

[dreamy hawk]

Hi toby!

[lunar cove]

Hi Toby

[agile geyser]

hello 👋

[craggy finch]

brother tobias

[echo sundial]

I do think the writers could've kept everything at sublight speed though, especially since they have insane 3D printers and stuff on tau ceti.

[lunar cove]

I'd be chill with sublight speeds but ftl comms even

[echo sundial]

And all the AI could be chilling out on servers somewhere in Tau Ceti

[echo sundial]

That's what they have rn

[agile geyser]

we already do have lightspeed comms, it just takes time to process etc

[echo sundial]

I'm saying sublight both because FTL comms isn't necessary for the story and I think it kind of raises the stakes of isolation that tau ceti has

[dreamy hawk]

They also do have FTL travel, in the form of jump pads/teleporters. Just with very limited range.

[echo sundial]

Yeah

[agile geyser]

There was a whole thing like over 5 years ago of using special light"bulbs" to use internet

[lunar cove]

Although settings with zero FTL anything kind of rock it'd be cool if Orion has to wait 12 years to submit his reports and then 12 more years to wait for his employee evaluation

[echo sundial]

That's what I'm saying

Lmao

You get it

[craggy finch]

also Leela's message was a detailed SOS report with information on the Phfor, yet the intro instead refers to the "Somewhere In the Heavens" message, most definitely sent by Durandal

[dreamy hawk]

I love Asimov for this.