📚marathon-lore-discussion

[pliant elm]

Why would a compiler be loyal to the Pfhor? lol

[covert parrot]

😨

[pliant elm]

Are people insane

[lavish palm]

who cant slow down

[pliant elm]

Or nobody actually read the story

[latent python]

Which would mean Thoth might be Jjaro tech?

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe. Thoth was a gift at least.

[lavish palm]

slavery

[dreamy hawk]

It is. The Jjaro gifted Thoth to the S’pht when leaving them.

[lavish palm]

HOLY SHIT

SPHT ARE JJARO RUNNERS

THATS WILD

[pliant elm]

ALL S'pht were liberated. All clans, there's literally ZERO reason why there's compilers, on top of the fact there's not even Pfhor anymore.

[lavish palm]

the parallel is SO THERE

[lavish palm]

name 1 spht

[pliant elm]

The only reason is just weak storytelling.

[lunar cove]

John S'pht

[lavish palm]

name 5 stories

[pliant elm]

Name 1 S'pht what lol? Play tf M2 tower level.

[restive knoll]

Depending on where in the narrative we are not all sphit may be free - hell in Infinity Tycho drove a buncha compilers on the Boomer rampant

[lavish palm]

see? exactly

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think our angry friend has played infinity, or is terribly familiar with the story.

[pliant elm]

Exactly what? lol what is there to answer you. You want what the name of the 12 clans or are u just legit trolling

u trying to argue with a guy who beaten the og games more than 50 times

meme really

[lavish palm]

u dont know a single compiler bro thats why ur bigoted

[pliant elm]

ok, u know zero about the lore, why am i even trying to reply to u

[lunar cove]

Guy who has watched 1 Mandaloregaming marathon review trying to Marathonsplain to a guy like me who has watched all 3 smh

[pliant elm]

ye, the story is garbage

[restive knoll]

Eh I understand the frustration; there's a lot changed from what fans are familliar with in service to a multiplayer pvp shooter - I'm still a bit salty myself

[lavish palm]

whyd u play it si much

[latent python]

I think it's rad!

[pliant elm]

im fascinated by the abyss

[lavish palm]

u love the story

[pliant elm]

the old one yes, this one im kinda of laughing how nobody on bungie actually read shit

its the most AI slop put together

[zinc olive]

i think lore wise that the traveller is cannon

[latent python]

Fox, which timeline is this game in

[lavish palm]

we r like 5 days in

[pliant elm]

if the guy in bungie thinks a compiler is a raid boss, a water flick'ta would basically be indestructible in bungie's new universe. you could literally conquire the entire tau ceti system with a blue flick'ta

[lavish palm]

what even is the story so far? we dont even have cryo open

[restive knoll]

I enjoy the new mysteries but I also have a little bit of that "if they wrote out robert blake and the bobs under durandal I'll riot" entitled feeling

[lavish palm]

compiler could have cool stories snd picked up good loot

smh

[latent python]

We still don't know if the compiler is the boss

[lavish palm]

its one of durandals crew from the past timeline

[latent python]

We just know there is at least on in cryo

[lavish palm]

IMO new enemy type bc fighting UESC will get SO boring

[restive knoll]

we could open cryo and have to fight Soulblighter instead, there's no telling what might happen

[dreamy hawk]

That’d be cool af.

[lunar cove]

I'm a little skeptical of how Bungie will handle the story but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now

We all agree the cat's Durandal though right

[pliant elm]

I know how they will handle the story, they will literally make some compiler be meaningful and "strong?" for no fucking reason, lol

its a literal slave, for a reason, its weak

[latent python]

Only if we also agree that the UESC bots' straws are for burgers

[pliant elm]

It just has a plasma weapon attached

only reason that the last clan was alive even against the pfhor was because of their suits, and even that was just okay against armored pfhor

[lunar cove]

I feel like this is a little overblown ngl

[latent python]

Rage baiting this hard about power levels is like arguing if Superman would win against Godzilla

Who cares man

[lunar cove]

Like, a Grunt in Halo isn't dangerous to the player but it'd be terrifying to a regular guy

[lyric arrow]

Anyone grinding Marathon and needing some help can just hit my DMs 👍

[pliant elm]

They want to make compilers look fearful just because how they look - retconning the whole M2 story of why they lost the war against the Pfhor in the first place - they would have decimated the pfhor lol

[latent python]

We're here to tell a story and play a game, not compare the d sizes of fictional characters

[dreamy hawk]

Speak for yourself. 🍆 👀

[latent python]

Well okay, Charter notwithstanding

[unkempt glacier]

Wait has durandal's size been discussed

[lunar cove]

A resident evil game came out like a week ago where you flip between a normal person who struggles against basic zombies, and a super powerful one who plays more like a standard shooter

I'm fine with a Compiler being threatening to a Runner shell

[pliant elm]

The cyborg in M2 is stronger than the average BoB, more durable, etc.. But his weapons are exactly the same, he might punch harder, but enemies they the same.

And that's shit weapons fromn 80+ year ago technology

[latent python]

He has the biggest doors, the most beautiful doors

[pliant elm]

Like, compilers died with 3 shots from a zeus

and zeus was the shittiest weapon you could mass produce 80 years ago

[zinc olive]

Red from among us is cannon i saw him

[pliant elm]

Weapons of this marathon would be far stronger

[latent python]

And there are so many vents

[dreamy hawk]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Zeus_Class_Fusion_Pistol

The Tech.50 is an extremely expensive weapon to produce and is used primarily by elite commando tactical troops

[lunar cove]

Isn't there a timeline in Marathon 3 where Marathon 1 doesn't even happen

[dreamy hawk]

Fox doesn’t seem to know as much as he confidently thinks he does.

[restive knoll]

I'm sure the gameplay moments of Marathon are open to reinterpretation in a modern retelling

Like, I wouldn't be upset if the nu-Marathon didn't have so many mazes and lava pits

[latent python]

Seemingly no

[unkempt glacier]

:(

[dreamy hawk]

Not you, sorry!

[pliant elm]

Except you're 80 years into the future. And the weapon is expensive to produce because you had no resources available.

You literally come from Earth with the best resources the planet has to offer + the actual design of the weapons.

[surreal nacelle]

did we solve the password ?

[fallow forge]

Guys what happened what did we unlock. I just saw the strauss insta post

[lunar cove]

Not to get too into real life lore but the best machinegun the US army uses is like 110 years old

[restive knoll]

one of the Infinity timelines has the Officer under Pfor control, possibly implying that you lost or didnt even wake up in M1

[lunar cove]

Yeah that's what I thought

[latent python]

Oh huh, I thought the SO was always in a timeline with the chip

[pliant elm]

Then you would bring equivalent weapons or MUCH higher technology, given the fact one of your biggest investments ever is gone.

If your weapons of 80+ years ago could 3 shot a compiler. I want to see how much this one soaks through the power of friendship.

[lunar cove]

I feel like it's a mistake to analyze it from the lens of "how strong are the guns", I used to look at media through a hyperlogical powerscaling type lens and I think that's an incomplete way of experiencing a story

[pliant elm]

Its only a mistake because a compiler is going to be all of a sudden "really really powerful" because he has a cloak and people will recognize him from the old games.

I guarantee you, they made the compiler "relevant" because someone at Bungie 4 years ago saw the loading screens from Marathon 2 and said "Look, this guy must be important"

[latent python]

It's a different story being told

[pliant elm]

In the brainstorming session for the new game

[lunar cove]

A few years ago the head designer of Xcom 2 got asked on twitter how powerful the Advent railgun rifles were compared to irl guns and he responded "they do 3 damage, make up whatever else you want" and that's based imo

[pliant elm]

Sorry - its just garbage story telling

[frail pebble]

is there a community wiki for marathon yet (both for lore and gameplay resources), if so does anyone have a link for it?

[fallow forge]

Can anyone give me the rundown on what we’ve discovered?

[pliant elm]

Its retconning and not knowing the story in order to justify a badly put together mess

[dreamy hawk]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Marathon_Wiki

[frail pebble]

ah ok, wasnt sure if the fandom one was all there was loool, tyty

[civic aurora]

Who’s @jarius

[dreamy hawk]

Pfhorapedia used to exist but I think it’s gone?

[jagged rose]

Or, perhaps, runners are digitized consciousnesses that are more susceptible to a S'pht's ability to mess with computers? After all, the most dangerous part of the S'pht in the cinematic was that it heavily altered the Triage's perception.

[frail pebble]

yea, the only reason i ask is because the fandom wiki is lacking a lot of info

[calm snow]

i find it interesting that runners are kinda built like action figures, like theif is pretty much just a human size action figure and both recon and destroyer have visible hinge joints on thier legs

[sage lark]

Mind you this is just you assuming without actually knowing the story

[frail pebble]

but if thats all there is then its w/e loool

[sage lark]

This fake outrage is embarassing

[pliant elm]

The more I know the more I see its just mess someone wrote in a brainstorming session, the fact ur in Tau Ceti already makes zero sense

[dreamy hawk]

There’s not a ton of info in general, though. Other than terminals and some other bits, the OG games weren’t steeped in details.

[civic aurora]

Socials kust updated

[lunar cove]

The compiler is a red herring. The real miniboss is a Halo 2 jackal sniper

[frail pebble]

yea, i meant more for current game than anything, shoulda specified that loool

[sage lark]

Right and this is where I ignore whatever you say cuz you throw around garbage this garbage that

[pliant elm]

Story should have continued as one of BoB's post the S'pht release

[civic aurora]

Something’s unlocked

[dreamy hawk]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[sage lark]

Ah so its not a bad story its just a story you dont want

[pliant elm]

I could not care less about an earth corp trying to find out to their lost assets

[sage lark]

Thank god they arent listening to you

[jagged rose]

I find it odd that you are both simultaneously a purist and have not gotten a decent snapshot of what the actual NuMarathon story entails (most of us haven't.)

[pliant elm]

It is bad, it makes zero sense to end of the game.

[dreamy hawk]

Oh all good. Then no as far as I’m aware.

[pliant elm]

At the end of Marathon 2, Robert Blake arrives to earth and informs everyone about the Pfhor and everyone knows immediately what happened in Tau Ceti.

[sage lark]

You say this but dont bother explaining it

[pliant elm]

So why are you in Tau Ceti now lol

[sage lark]

Mf acts like Infinity didn’t happen

[pliant elm]

There would be countless records of what happened in Tau Ceti

[dreamy hawk]

I’ve been saying this since they joined in. 😭

[pliant elm]

In Tau Ceti, plus BoB's who escaped Lh'owon

[sage lark]

Im over this with you arguing with bad faith

Keep yapping

[pliant elm]

There's just so much nonsense I dont even know where to start

[subtle oracle]

bc they simply cant understand it

[sage lark]

Yea seems to be the case

[subtle oracle]

when its been explained that its simply diff timelines

[pliant elm]

Infinity is just a poor excuse to justify writing whatever you want because "its just this timeline?"

[civic aurora]

Welcome to Marathon 😂

[pliant elm]

Deus Ex Machina much

[lunar cove]

Series known for its convoluted alternate timelines built around incomprehensible, reality altering beings has a complicated, contradictory timeline. More news at 9.

[sage lark]

Your marathon 2 straight up didnt happen and did at the same time if thats hard to understand idk what to tell you

Youre cherry picking what you like and what you dont

[lunar cove]

All of it is canon, even the parts that directly contradict each other

[jagged rose]

There is a god in the machine, that much is true.

[fathom lintel]

hi guys. how shoud i upload my DAC? what format

[pliant elm]

The story isnt contradictory, its actually quite straightforward, Infinity has alternative realities but they're all cannonically linear either way.

[latent python]

And the god got out of the machine!

[subtle oracle]

Either we're after M1, after M1 and timeline 7 of Infinity, or in a different deal altogether. not terribly hard to grasp

[lunar cove]

Durandal is a cat now and we're complaining that Compilers are too powerful even though nobody's even shot one yet?

[pliant elm]

You just test a bunch of timelines until you land on the one that's positive

[sage lark]

So is it hard to understand that in the saved timeline Blake doesnt go to earth

So we dont know

Durandal doesnt stop by

Tau Ceti isnt nuked a second time

[dreamy hawk]

That was literally Infinity.

[subtle oracle]

like its just 7 timelines bc its bungie but any other game would have you run through 80

[dreamy hawk]

I gotta stop taking the bait. I know better.

[pliant elm]

Why wouldn't Blake go to earth, lol, M2 ending implies that the Infinity only has 1 timeline.

[rain wigeon]

fox no offense man but if you hate it why are you here

[sage lark]

Are you reading what youre writing

[pliant elm]

You go through the others and end up in the one where the lore for M2 is stated for the centuries ahead

[subtle oracle]

word salad

[timber urchin]

I think the m2 ending would just get retconned by infinity would it not

[rain wigeon]

You’re just diving into a pool and are just going ‘god I hate it’, climbing back out, and then diving back in again

[pliant elm]

There's no word salad. M2 ends and tells you what happened after, its irrelevant what timeline you go through infinity

[restive knoll]

Yes its unusual that Tau Ceti is around, that's the mystery

So is the whereabouts of the BoBs

[rain wigeon]

infinity posits that there’s no one ending

[pliant elm]

Infinity ends with the timeline of M2 being true.

[sage lark]

Are you stupid 😭😭😭😭

[rain wigeon]

We are viewing another timeline

…

[latent python]

N- no?

[sage lark]

Like genuinely theres no way to explain your behaviour

[hasty tinsel]

i think theres a line in infinite that mentions us doing more than just the 7

[lunar cove]

My only complaint is that Bungie should set Marathon '26 in a timeline where I stop matchmaking with e-couples who get killed instantly and I lose my loot

[timber urchin]

M2s ending was retconned by infinity. I would think

[rain wigeon]

ooof

You’ll rob a fully kitted assassin next run trust

[dreamy hawk]

Correctly. Because it was.

[subtle oracle]

M2 happened and Inf then made it not happend. If its too hard to understand, imagine they made M2-7 (6 other timelines) and then M;Infinity to show the good ending that then retcons 2-7

[pliant elm]

You can't retcon something that the timeline in M2 has stated what happened to the future.

Else you were never in that timeline.

[sage lark]

Assassins when they miss 1 out of the 2 shots in their shotty

[timber urchin]

That's what a retcon is

[civic aurora]

I have no clue. What you all are talking about. I haven’t played or been I. Here for a few days and clearly some stuff has happened

[subtle oracle]

I mean probabyl but we only "do" 7 in the missions

[timber urchin]

you're just saying they can't do what a retcon is

[pliant elm]

No, that's what an alternative timeline would be. And the fact you would be in an alternative timeline makes literally no fucking sense when you have a rich story in M2.

[lunar cove]

I've been playing in alternate Marathon universes since I first downloaded the Halo CE demo with Blood Gulch and Silent Cartographer

[rain wigeon]

oh it’s original trilogy stuff, check out https://marathon.bungie.org/story

[mossy locust]

So who’s waiting for me in the stars???? ⭐️

[hasty tinsel]

its not a retcon since the marathon player character probably still remembers the previous events of the game in world

[rain wigeon]

not me soz

[pliant elm]

"We're in an alternative timeline" can't be an excuse for shit storytelling.

[latent python]

Stuff that had already happened in M2 already didn't happen in Infinity

[pliant elm]

this

[subtle oracle]

It makes no sense we're "after" M2 because the universe is safe bc the W'rk isnt free

[rain wigeon]

What exactly pray tell is shit storytelling here then

[warm fern]

The original trilogy was full of retcons. All tied together by time travel

[subtle oracle]

Not understanding smthn doesnt make it shit

[latent python]

Oh right doesn't M2 end with the w'rkncacnter escaping lol

Whoops

[subtle oracle]

It and all but one timeline which is what is suggested we're in

[timber urchin]

it ends with a text scrawl talking about what happened to durandal, leela, and a few other things

[rain wigeon]

yes it does but you basically treat it as ‘not my problem to solve’ there

[pliant elm]

yes bro, the next thing for u in the story is going to be that Durandal gets really really mad because he's a really really douchebag so he goes make fun of the remaining S'pht for being so weak that they get really really mad at humans and they put one super compiler on steroids in Marathon so that when u go there 80 years later, he can kill you all

This is going to be top writting for you

[rain wigeon]

…why are you like this

[timber urchin]

But I just assumed that got retconned in favor of the wrk being released in Infinity and then all of that happens

[warm fern]

I think the w’rkncakater is essentially a Cthulhu style old god that messes with space time

[rain wigeon]

for all we know compilers are going to be the biggest pushover like the originals

why are you taking prerelease hype footage as objective fact

[lunar cove]

The w'rkncacnter destroys star systems and the unemployedcacnter argues about lore retcons online

[pliant elm]

A good story writting for you will be that, the S'pht got really really mad for Marathon guy having killed the F'lickta that used to clean the sewers and they decide to throw revenge on humans and go troll in tau ceti

[subtle oracle]

Ik at its bait but this plainly shows you misunderstand Durandal's character and how this lore works

[latent python]

I mean I will definitely die to a compiler. Have you seen me play?

[rain wigeon]

and we know the pfhor outclass humanity why do you think the only bastard who stands a chance is the fucking battleroid sec officer in the first place

[subtle oracle]

Thats a normal compiler on the marathon, the security guard was just a menace

[rain wigeon]

you really should stop being this angry and vindictive it’s not good for you

[pliant elm]

Why would there be a normal compiler in Tau Ceti, he got homesick?

[hasty tinsel]

is there any theory as to why the compilers would have broken their alliance with humans

[fierce mountain]

how did they figure out the password?

[subtle oracle]

Who said its just one?

[hasty tinsel]

or is that a thing changed from m2

[latent python]

Unknown!

[subtle oracle]

Also where tf is he gonna go if the pfhor dipped without him?

[pliant elm]

So its a few compilers with Parkinsons disease?

[timber urchin]

We don't know yet

[subtle oracle]

Bro youre just saying shit

Go back to general

[pliant elm]

Liberated by remaining S'pht? LOL its literally written in the story

[rain wigeon]

Not all of them are allied with humans, only the ones on durandal’s scout ship are

The rest are under pfhor control still

[pliant elm]

stfu lol, u literally know shit about the lore

[subtle oracle]

clearly more than you mr "durandal makes him mad"

[rain wigeon]

you know just as mych

[hasty tinsel]

ah alright

[pliant elm]

Go play the old games, ull learn what happens to the compilers

Compiler is literally an assassin w/ a v11 bolter

Even weaker

[subtle oracle]

Crazy how lore chat has been fine

[rain wigeon]

so what are you angry about then

clearly when we get on board the marathon we’ll just nuke all of them same as before then?

[ashen bear]

Im not super familiar but im pretty sure the security guard you play as is absolutely cracked, and compilers are actually quite dangerous naturally

[sage lark]

Yeah its usually fine when Fox isnt around

[ashen bear]

It’s jus the character you’re playing as is crazy

[pliant elm]

why would u nuke them when they're literally your ally lol

[sage lark]

Cant comprehend what a timeline is

[pliant elm]

Like, are people mental

Why would u even shoot a s'pht

or vice-versa

[sage lark]

Low tier bait

[pliant elm]

is everyone here mental

[rain wigeon]

does a runner know it’s a fucking ally

[sage lark]

Bait or regarded call it 🗿

[rain wigeon]

do you think a s’pht compiler will look at this fucking rat graverobbing and think ‘oh that’s a friend’

[sage lark]

You sound like an insane person

[warm fern]

Basically, the security officer is Marathon’s Master Chief. Our shells are ODSTs by comparison

[rain wigeon]

if it was an ally then why is everyone fucking dead

[timber urchin]

are the spht naturally all friendly to humans when not controlled

[rain wigeon]

jesus

[sage lark]

Everyone else is wrong and im right

[timber urchin]

That is a genuine question btw I do want to know

[pliant elm]

You literally saved their entire race

[lunar cove]

Isn't the protagonist of Marathon 1 a reincarnated cyborg killing machine

[ashen bear]

I wouldn’t even say ODST’s they’re supposed to just be plastic people after all

I enjoy how disposable they are

[rain wigeon]

the security officer yes not you the runner

god

[restive knoll]

We're Great Value BoBs

[ashen bear]

I doubt a compiler has any reason to be friendly to a random plastic loot goblin

[pliant elm]

dude, ur legit trolling now

[ashen bear]

Lol

[dreamy hawk]

I’d argue it’s a close enough comparison, but I’d agree.

[latent python]

I just looked this up! The asteroid people invented them

[rain wigeon]

have you realized we are no longer playing as the battleroid? Have you realized that not a single BoB is alive on the marathon?

[dreamy hawk]

Battleroid, yeah.

[rain wigeon]

if it’s so fucking friendly then where is everyone

[pliant elm]

Why would BoBs be in the Marathon LOL

BoBs were given a choice

[ashen bear]

It’s also entirely possible that runners have aggressed on the compiler/compilers present on tau ceti on their quest for loot, and it’s now a defensive creature

[pliant elm]

Fight or die

[rain wigeon]

because IT’S A FUCKING COLONY SHIP

[subtle oracle]

this si only if M;Inf happened

[lunar cove]

Like you're going from playing as a prophesied hero ordained by the universe and helped by a mad AI god, to playing as the guy ripping the copper wiring out of the walls of an abandoned housing development to buy more weapon mods

[rain wigeon]

NOT EVERY SINGLE BOB GOT TAKEN

[sage lark]

Youre entertaining a troll

[pliant elm]

dude, go play the old games, I aint gonna teach u the story

[sage lark]

Just leave him be

Its clear by every message its ragebait

[dreamy hawk]

BoB doesn’t mean “Born on Board.” /s

[rain wigeon]

alright

[pliant elm]

Yes, literally, every single bob was taken by durandal - lol like, u guys didnt read shit of the game

Not only they were all taken, u were even shortmanned to fight

[latent python]

Every BoB is a Robert

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t appreciate this. I don’t “rip” I “excise.”

[rain wigeon]

I’m getting way too heated over this

[subtle oracle]

I think youre only running off the old game and not the new one because theres plenty of lore in NuMarathon saying there were BoBs on board

[civic aurora]

Exactly! It means Barracudas on Babies!

[pliant elm]

It was litearly Lh'owon or vaccum

[rain wigeon]

I played the games dude stop trying to tell me I didn’t

[timber urchin]

I don't think that means all of them are going to be friendly

[rain wigeon]

and you’re going to trust the AI who has been shown to lie

[subtle oracle]

The reason it may be suggested we're after M1 is because we have no suggestion that the S'pht were saved or durandal left tbh

[violet cloak]

I love joining a new discord and immediately being able to tell who "that guy" is

[dreamy hawk]

If he’s lied once, why lie again?

[pliant elm]

Why would fucking Durandal lie in a moment of his survival lol

[timber urchin]

majority maybe, but as individuals I'm sure some of them aren't going to immediately fall in line and swear eternal friendship with humans

[pliant elm]

Are people that obtuse

[restive knoll]

It would absolutely be within Durandal's character to take one look at Project Goliath, the state of Tau Ceti, and go "fuck off"

My current theory is that he's nominally here to warn us about the Pfor, but also low-key wants to try and rescue anyone left on the colony

[subtle oracle]

Do you know what I mean when I say "anomaly" or "contagion"? just testing smthn

[dreamy hawk]

He’s not that altruistic, imo. He only “likes” humans because he’s familiar with manipulating us. Says so himself.

[pliant elm]

Durandal, could not give zero shits about humans

The fact that ur even alive is merely because you helped him w/ Thoth otherwise he would have vaccumed the entire ship

He couldnt care less about humans, pfhor or even s'pht

[lunar cove]

Doesn't he mention in a terminal that in spite of himself, he still feels kind of responsible to them and sends the UESC a warning and such?

[rain wigeon]

yes. He does.

[dreamy hawk]

Yes. Don’t listen to the angry man who claims to know more than he seems to.

[restive knoll]

Depends on where along his character arc we're on

M2 Durandal def. goes out of his way to aid the humans under him

[pliant elm]

Because u fit his cause lol

[dreamy hawk]

But I’m pretty sure he says it’s because 1) we kinda helped him come in to existence and 2) he knows how to use us in that same breath.

[rain wigeon]

he seems sentimental

[lunar cove]

Yeah I'm asking rhetorical questions lol

[dreamy hawk]

Más o menos.

[pliant elm]

Plus, Durandal is basically "gone"

[lunar cove]

Durandal is just slightly insane because he's borderline a god but spent 300 years having to hold the door open for people who don't say "thank you" but I think he's ultimately not that bad of a guy

[pliant elm]

Once the merger happens he isn't the same Durandal anymore

[lunar cove]

Fuck Tycho though

[restive knoll]

Durandal goes from sending them en-masse to delay the Pfor to actively guiding Blake to a ship to escape (though that might have been thoth)

[lunar cove]

Also iirc Durandal/Thoth is only in one timeline

[pliant elm]

The only reason that Durandal helps you

[subtle oracle]

Are we fighting over old durandal or NuDurandal bc

we dont know ANYTHING ab nuDurandal

[dreamy hawk]

Ending of infinity suggests it might be every timeline.

[rain wigeon]

tycho’s immediate release from constraints and he gloats about watching everyone die/killing everyone makes him a real bastard

[pliant elm]

Is because Pfhor are too strong on humans

So Thoth forces him to balance things out.

When humans are too strong Durandal actually makes ur life harder

[dreamy hawk]

Tycho is Ted Faro esque in my enjoyment of him. Which is to say, my lack thereof.

[rain wigeon]

he’s very hateable

[pliant elm]

Durandal at the end of M2 has to seek the balance in everything

[rain wigeon]

I do love the last terminal you get from him where he calls you a bad bad unit made me laugh

[pliant elm]

Durandal also couldn't give a shit about the Pfhor, he just wanted Jarro tech to escape entropy

Only reason pfhor get anihilated centuries later is because thoth forces him to balance out the extincion of s'pht clans

If Durandal had went free without Thoth he'd give no shits about any race

[dreamy hawk]

I’d punch him given the opportunity, but I do enjoy his lines.

[rain wigeon]

he’s clearly a massive nerd

it’s great

[pliant elm]

Also why is Durandal even fucking in Tau Ceti, ur going to retcon whole m2 ending cuz nobody in bungie cared to read

[subtle oracle]

THE WHOLE M2 ENDING (80 YEARS AGO) IS FUCKED BC THE WRK

SO WERE NOT POST M2 YOU CHUD

[sage lark]

why bother man

he doesnt understand

[subtle oracle]

Feels like im talking to someone that can speak but not understand english

[rain wigeon]

don’t

He’s jebaiting

[warm thicket]

👅

[subtle oracle]

anyway has anyone got alien alloy or hazard capusle codex entries

[pliant elm]

Yes, you're in "an Infinity" timeline because we need a fresh slate to write the shit story of whatever fits the current market.

Nothing like top notch writting.

[merry plaza]

Writing

[subtle oracle]

alr man die on that hill whatever. You simply liked M2 and are mad we're not post M2 and thats okay but stop making it our problem

[ashen bear]

I think it’s a bit silly to call it a retcon when this being a new timeline or a previous one with loose ends and relative stability is entirely within the rules that Bungie set for marathon in the original 90s trilogy

[rain wigeon]

haven’t been lucky enough to find one, no

[next tangle]

So marathon 2026 is a sequel to M1 but not to M2 and MI ?

[subtle oracle]

prestige items in locked rooms afaik

[ashen bear]

If there is no connecting thread or things have been wrapped up in the final games of the original series, it’s valid to use an alternate set of events to tell a new story

It isn’t shitty writing purely because it doesn’t connect to something it can’t without being contrived

[rain wigeon]

oooh, okay thank you I’ll have to pressgang my friends into a dire marsh run when able

[subtle oracle]

wrong msg

[pliant elm]

You're post nothing - you're post a garbage "made-up" timeline, because the writters were too weak/bad to continue the game as it was written. It's really that simple.

[merry plaza]

I was reading that

[merry plaza]

Writers

[subtle oracle]

@next tangle

we dont know exactly

[pliant elm]

You're not in any "timeline". You're in 2026 must sell the game timeline. Which happens outside of the game.

[rain wigeon]

It’s complicated? There’s hints and notes of events in all of the original trilogy happening but nothing really concrete yet so we don’t know all the details

oop sorry for double ping

[next tangle]

Hope all of this will be clear through the future seasons 😅

[rain wigeon]

hopefully

hope there’ll be more on the ship itself to see

[fathom egret]

I’m sure we’ll learn a lot more once Cryo is unlocked and we get more seasonal lore

[pliant elm]

You're in the timeline of.

Guys, Tau Ceti was pretty much the only planet we had in the old lore we have room for storytelling, how can we find a reason to go back there despite the fact that colonists returned happily to earth and told us everything that happened so we can join forces a few years later with the S'pht and anihilite the threat that attacked the planet done by our own AI's.

[ashen bear]

It’s entirely possible that the game takes place in an already established timeline and we’re just waiting for confirmation

[lunar cove]

He just likes hanging out as a pink cat robot idk what to tell you

[pliant elm]

"What if we made it in a different timeline sir?"

Genius, Jessica from Marketing.

[ashen bear]

Right because it being in a different timeline would make any difference for marketing…

[lunar cove]

I feel like marketing isn't involved in these kinds of decisions but idk enough about Bungie's corporate hierarchy

[pliant elm]

"And we can also make Durandal a cat, despite the fact he doesn't contact humanity for another 10k years."

[lunar cove]

Lets be real for a second, how many people playing Marathon 2026 were alive when Marathon came out and know or care about the Compilers

[ashen bear]

Hey guys here’s marathon from the 90s which almost none of you know about, we hope you remember the storyline from 1 and 2 which you didn’t play because you’re 17!

[subtle oracle]

I can guess what hes saying and hes acting like in 1996 during M:Inf they made the 7th "good ending" timeline adn went "in 30 years thisll pay off huge"

[rain wigeon]

there’s a few, from what I can gather

[pliant elm]

How many people in 2026 have played Doom?

[rain wigeon]

a lot.

[pliant elm]

There's your answer then

[rain wigeon]

and this is relevant how?

[latent python]

Doom doesn't have drinkable burgers

[lunar cove]

You don't build an entire modern live service story around a glup shitto with the intent for them all to recognize it and get hyped

[subtle oracle]

marathon was not a cultural phenomenom like doom

[shadow bone]

lotta lore discussion going on rn

[subtle oracle]

theres an entire corner of the internet dedicated to "can it run doom"

[pliant elm]

I mean, not as much, but quite substantial at the time

[subtle oracle]

All it takes is one guy

[lunar cove]

Can Durandal move me to a timeline where we're talking about the implications of the homework assignment in the textbook items you can find?

[rain wigeon]

Nobody knew about marathon like they knew about doom, Halo is what made bungie a household name

[shadow bone]

did a miss the discussion of "A New Future Beyond the Sun" or is that what this has devolved into

[pliant elm]

Doom being shareware made it much more popular, but Marathon was quite active

I played a ton of online even back then

[rain wigeon]

sorry no pop quiz monday

[pliant elm]

There werent many online arena shooters appart from doom, quake, marathon

[lunar cove]

Durandal could have beaten the S'pht if he weaponized the Tau Ceti wildlife and bombarded them with Ticks

[rain wigeon]

unfortunately been sidetracked by ‘nugame bad, marketing made it bad because now they’re not continuing the story how I would continue it’

[subtle oracle]

Fox is mad that in 1996 bungie saw that M2 ended where the universe is fucked and made M:Inf to basically do the avengers "how many timelines do we win? 1" with timeline 7 and now we're suggesting timeline 7 is where numarathon is

[pliant elm]

I mean.

[dreamy hawk]

How about we talk about the different versions of drinkable cheeseburger? Do they have a bacon version? A juicy lucey, maybe?

[pliant elm]

You're telling me that from M2 to 10.000 years later you cannot write a story in between?

Come on

[subtle oracle]

anyway

[pliant elm]

You really need to go with the "Infinity" timeline let's retcon 7 times.

[rain wigeon]

…we’re literally seeing the story in between right now

[lunar cove]

Alt universe where NuCal are British: drinkable beans on toast

[dreamy hawk]

Do you think NuCaloric has vegan options?

[rain wigeon]

it’s just not your version of the story in between

[dreamy hawk]

Or is it all vegan?

[pliant elm]

No, you're seeing a made-up story in between

[shadow bone]

not if nothing relevant happened during that timeframe

[rain wigeon]

isn’t it- yeah

[latent python]

All stories are made up

[lunar cove]

Buddy, it's all made up

[pliant elm]

Dude, Durandal literally arrives in a Jarro spaceship.

Here you're fighting for hamburgers

[subtle oracle]

Im just ignoring him bc its clear he hasnt touched the new game or lore and NuM and the trilogy are so detached rn it makes no sense to use the triolgy to judge NuM

[rain wigeon]

well actually no wouldn’t tick milk be a non vegan thing

[shadow bone]

sometimes we get the ends of stories and then find out how we got there later

[rain wigeon]

what’s your take on the new vid anyway grendel

[subtle oracle]

did yall see the two new vids?

[shadow bone]

i am gonna bow out of this discussion because I am a noob when it comes to Marathon lore. i thought that video was freaking awesome

[rain wigeon]

freeze dried colonist?

[pliant elm]

Yes, the story of plastic guys wearing longsleeve shirts and space-make-up is the future of this franchise.

[rain wigeon]

hah, okay fair fair

[next tangle]

In fact we cannot ignore numarathon is based on Original trilogy lore btw

Even if this is a new timeline

[subtle oracle]

in ways yes and in ways no

its very loose rn

[shadow bone]

Bungie always nails the marketing, their video team(s) are S tier

[subtle oracle]

Did the arg videos get posted here?

like the new ones

[light bobcat]

Yes, check the Links tab in this channel

[rain wigeon]

they’re not wearing makeup. It’s literally their face. The only pigments there are the ones woven into them

[pliant elm]

I guarantee you that this story you're going to end up finding out why you've been a very naughty boy on Earth and that's why you're salvaging loot and a mercenary now.

[light bobcat]

It's the easiest way to find them.

[subtle oracle]

nah youre good iwas gonna post them if they werent

i knew itd been a sec

[light bobcat]

Ah, gotcha

We got two of them, right?

[dreamy hawk]

I have not! Are they on YouTube or?

[rain wigeon]

so far yes

[lunar cove]

I feel like it makes sense that OG marathon is an 80s/90s aesthetic of the future and nuMarathon is a 2020s streetwear aesthetic of the future

[next tangle]

Bungie have already take a bit of liberty with lore, remember Halo Reach

[lunar cove]

They're period pieces but set in the 2800s and such

[subtle oracle]

theyre probs still unlisted one sec

[rain wigeon]

yeah it’s a nice evolution

[dreamy hawk]

Oh god. Don’t remind me. “BUT THE BOOKS!!”

[pliant elm]

Bungie butchured the story, its that simple.

[rain wigeon]

someone’s mentioned it reminded them of mirror’s edge

[latent python]

Okay that's enough

[light bobcat]

Actually I might be wrong and was in the Breach Protocol channel instead

[lunar cove]

Sort of like how halo ce is sort of a 90s military anime vision of the future

[shadow bone]

drinkable hamburgers, yes

[pliant elm]

They made a generic game they could have put this same story in, and just put "Marathon" into it. They could have literally applied Halo, Oni or whatever other story in this story

[light bobcat]

Y'all were cooking hard in there today

[rain wigeon]

it’s very designer’s republic

[rain wigeon]

oh it was sick to watch

[pliant elm]

You could literally replace this story with Halo characters and it'd be the same exact shit

[rain wigeon]

it really wouldn’t

[shadow bone]

you could literally replace any story with any other story

thats what stories are

[ashen bear]

Oh we’re doing the “this isn’t marathon” bit

[pliant elm]

I just pray.

[ashen bear]

I get it now, everything makes sense

[pliant elm]

Pray.

[rain wigeon]

eyup

[light bobcat]

Right? I was working and I'm like "hold up, the neurons are firing in there, if only I was on Tau Ceti rn"

[pliant elm]

That one single game Reviewer actually plays the game.

[dreamy hawk]

Work is overrated. Sit here, instead.

[next tangle]

I fell the Original Marathon vibe btw

[pliant elm]

So the can just burn Bungie for the shit lore on this game

[subtle oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oOnwnvCmi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYJAQkzSCvA

[lunar cove]

Yeah that's the whole deal with Halo it's just Marathon again with the same stock characters following the same motions except the robot's named after a different french sword

[ashen bear]

“Shit lore”

We live in a society

[dreamy hawk]

Thank you!

[subtle oracle]

np! we're waiting on the next arg step rn

[latent python]

We live in a society with drinkable burger

[pliant elm]

I just pray, that one of the actual media reviewers had played M2/M3

[rain wigeon]

fox genuinely you have better things to do than to pray on the downfall of something new

[pliant elm]

New <> Good

[rain wigeon]

never said it was good

[lunar cove]

Cortana went crazy for the same reason Durandal did: 90% of what she does in the game is opening doors for you

[dreamy hawk]

“No.”

[subtle oracle]

(it is tho)

[latent python]

Or to ragebait a discord channel

[pliant elm]

The game is good - bit generic, but the lore is just stappeled together

[rain wigeon]

well yes I wouldn’t play it otherwise

lmao

[dreamy hawk]

“Am I wrong? No, it’s everyone else who’s wrong!”

[pliant elm]

You go into Cryo Archives now

[rain wigeon]

but like

dude

[dreamy hawk]

Never mind “good” is purely subjective.

[latent python]

We're all just little guys, like Charter

[shadow bone]

people need to stop giving this guy the attention he wants

[pliant elm]

And u find Security Office sitting there frozen in stasis.

[shadow bone]

no one here is going to beg you to like the game, go play something you enjoy and spare the rest of us the crying

[light bobcat]

I'm just here for the ride man.

[rain wigeon]

who’s charter again

[pliant elm]

And a message saying

"Yo bro, its me, Durandal. Sorry, ur actually in the future but actually in past. Can u pls just unfreeze this guy so I can travel him back to the past and to waterloo so u can save ur ass in the present now?

Thanks,
Dura"

[dense tendon]

every single comment this fox guy has made has had a typo in it

[lunar cove]

A Waterloo map would be sick ngl

[dense tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[deft trail]

Lore is about to melt all your brains.

[lunar cove]

You could exfil from the new computer science building, or ride the LRT to Kitchener

[dense tendon]

dang, embed failed

[lunar cove]

Bungie getting into the Ontario Canada lore underpinning Marathon

[pliant elm]

"PS: in ur timline, compilers are actually godtier now btw, they can even anomaly and shit - so gl bro"

u know the good thing about shit writting

[open rapids]

There was only two rewards for the discord contracts right ?

[pliant elm]

u dont need to wait to see what happens to figure out what happens

[dreamy hawk]

Discord contracts?

[open rapids]

Yeah, the little quest before launch

[dense tendon]

it definitely seems like you'd be the expert on incompetence at writing, yes.

[deft trail]

What was it all pfhor?

S'phtware gone haywire

[lunar cove]

I've never thought about pronouncing "s'pht" as "soft", that's new tech thanks for that

[deft trail]

Pfhor. S'pht. Where? Ware.

[pliant elm]

it doesnt take u a lot of effort to leave the reddit/discord bubble to go see that there's actually a ton of people who're criticizing this meme story too

[dreamy hawk]

Oh, is that what I should be pronouncing? I just spit a little right now

[dense tendon]

i'm the one in the bubble. sure.

[deft trail]

Hungry eyes. Oh so hungry eyes. You do not eat. So I feed.

[dreamy hawk]

Just block and ignore. It’s been like this for hours now.

[lunar cove]

I envisioned it as "suh-fit" but soft goes kinda hard

[dense tendon]

oh im having fun mockin this guy. why would i stop?

[deft trail]

Spht. Where?

Ware.

[lunar cove]

Can we get some alt pronunciations for w'rkncacnter

[deft trail]

Macguffin.

[rain wigeon]

Jesus- really? I fed the troll, damn

[dreamy hawk]

To each their own. 🤷

[frosty kayak]

Hey i was 😂

[subtle oracle]

Hawk tuah S'pht on that thang

[dense tendon]

workin cack enter. as opposed to a lazy cack enter. cant get those to do anything.

[deft trail]

Durandal the ai and durandal the sword are chiral interpretations of one another. Not equal.

[dreamy hawk]

It hasn’t felt like good faith since the start, and I’d say a lot of folks here tried to have an honest conversation at the start.

[deft trail]

Which is the sword and which is the shadow?

[rain wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-attack-darkest-dungeon-death-gif-18532457

ahh yeah no gifs haha

[rain wigeon]

nah yeah I should’ve bowed out after I blew my lid

[deft trail]

And if the shadow is not equal to the sword, rhe shadow to the shadow? The wrcacnter

"Created in the image" is always backwards.

[subtle oracle]

yeah this isnt general so we try to genuinely help

[dense tendon]

very funny to me that the AI on the marathon with the loftiest name is the one with the least important job.

[deft trail]

As mirrors are.

[deft trail]

Directive: intentional

[subtle oracle]

the lore can be confusing to a newcomer and imo knowing the lore is the easiest way to get pulled into the game

[scenic summit]

If Durandal is truly a sentient being he isn't really a "shadow" anyway. Its more like a conspiracy corkboard of an interconnected series of references. Durandal does whatever he wants, his only real stated goal is to be incredibly exceptional.

[deft trail]

Shadow of sentience.

/mockery

[dense tendon]

itd be like if they made cortana out of a brain scan of a random janitor on the pillar of autumn.

very mundane origin for such a character. its great

[deft trail]

If you were god, you'd create the world you lived in on repeat.

Nothing would change. Even the things you created it to change.

[scenic summit]

The AIs have cores which house who they are, or did in the Marathon. Durandal tried to screw up Leela hard but he didn't find where she was physically located according to her. Could be a brain like structure.

[deft trail]

Irrelevant

You'd create the world up to this point you're in right now and from there wouldn't know where to go.

Then, you'd breakdown.

[restive knoll]

Was there a timestamp on Jasper's audiologs? was he the last surviving member of the colony (that we know of)?

[sand wagon]

wait so is the terminals thing done for the arg?

[lunar cove]

Marathon when Triathlon walks in😱

[sand wagon]

im at one rn and i cant interact

o-o

[frosty kayak]

It was a server room iirc. Durandal tells you to go take him offline at one point

[sand wagon]

damn, i loaded a rook run for no reason

[deft trail]

Let me ask you something.

Where is tycho?

Where is leela?

Who is darius?

[scenic summit]

I was still a short ways into Marathon 2, thanks

[deft trail]

Where are the pfhor?

WHERE ARE YOU

[pliant elm]

"What happened to the colonists?" "What happened to the colonists?"

What a meme question.

[frosty kayak]

Oh shit im sorry if i spoiled

[deft trail]

Where's your head at

Where's your head at

Where's your head at tau cutie iv

[pliant elm]

Go figure out shit that you already learned in the OGs

[subtle oracle]

hes still going?

[restive knoll]

I believe you can still do the run-around activity for some voice lines - each terminal is a pair

[deft trail]

Og is irrelevant. Welcome the new god.

[lunar cove]

I think as long as you're not intentionally spoiling somebody out of malice, the statute of limitations on Marathon 2 is expired

[subtle oracle]

best to ignore

[scenic summit]

Spoilers are my primary consumption of media, as it is lower budget. lol.
Its all good. I've heard the story beats here and there.

[deft trail]

Where is your head at?

Where is your body?

[pliant elm]

Ignore what, you don't know what happened to the colonists?

Is that a hard question for you or do u want me to spoil it for u

It isnt a hard answer

[deft trail]

You couldn't. You dont know.

[subtle oracle]

he thinks im talking to him when i replied to you for some reason

[pliant elm]

Its literal level 2 of M2 🤡

[deft trail]

Add me so I can dunk on you at the reveal.

[past rampart]

[frosty kayak]

Infinity explains the original timeline they LOSE in. Hence in infinity he has to find one the WIN in

[subtle oracle]

"M2 IS CANON ISWEAR IS WEAR IT IS" as they drag me away

[subtle oracle]

I like you

that was hard

[pliant elm]

Why would you have to be in the timeline you WIN, lmao.

[subtle oracle]

genuinely cold af

[pliant elm]

And it's not a "timeline".

[lunar cove]

Durandal is busy right now he's the big orb in Destiny that gives you your powers

[frosty kayak]

😂 have you played infinity to completion or watched a lore vid

[subtle oracle]

durandal and gardener having a chat and tea

[pliant elm]

It's literally an alternate reality

[past rampart]

Is Durandal a villain?

[subtle oracle]

i wouldnt say so

[lunar cove]

He's something

[fathom egret]

😉

[pliant elm]

No, he saved earth

[subtle oracle]

he can be viewed as one at times but i wouldnt say hes an antagonist

[timber urchin]

grey area character that serves only his own interests and goals, it just happens that sometimes yours and his align somewhat

[lunar cove]

You'd be mad too if you spent 300 years holding the door and nobody said please

[restive knoll]

...So that's a no on "is a year mentioned in the Jasper logs," I take it?

[pliant elm]

He doesnt serve only his interests

He literally saved humanity in the process

He could have just not gave a shit about humans

[timber urchin]

because it aligned with his goals

[pliant elm]

Not really

[subtle oracle]

yeah none of the logs have years unless the person says so we have to piece it together

[fathom egret]

Ya but he’s the whole reason the aliens attacked marathon in first place right

[timber urchin]

yes

[lunar cove]

Durandal is like, when your estranged kid who hates you still puts you in a good nursing home

[subtle oracle]

suggested between 2824 and 2888

[pliant elm]

If it aligned only with his goals, he would have just captured the ship and not give a shit about what happens to you/humans

[deft trail]

What evidence does anyone have that this tau ceti was attacked by the pfhor?

[subtle oracle]

hes a troll

[timber urchin]

i understand that but im weak willed

[pliant elm]

what you mean what evidence? lol

[subtle oracle]

xenobiopsy and the compiler are our leading evidence

[deft trail]

Do we know this game is attached to the originals? Or are we assuming?

[subtle oracle]

O7 comrade

[lavish palm]

yes bro if someone says hes not they are insane. hes genocidal

[subtle oracle]

assumption based of some detail but overall its simply a theory this follows any of the old trilogy

[timber urchin]

there's some light mentions of pfhor, not by name but yknow

[deft trail]

Well, in the originals, durandal never returns to tau ceti.

Ever.

[timber urchin]

there's like a lore entry that talks about the anomaly possibly being a delayed weapon planted by some group that is blanked out (probably the pfhor)

[fathom egret]

Does he escape and become god like he wanted

[subtle oracle]

Thats true theres no mention in Infinity is there

So itd have to be a new branch after M1 or a new deal entirely

[lunar cove]

Yeah that leads into the Destiny timeline where he's the sphere

[subtle oracle]

bc mind you they took the first success. they didnt look for all the successes

[deft trail]

The universe collapses in infinity. The security officer outlasts durandal. Fin.

...yet, here we are again. Shoehorned back.

[pliant elm]

Delayed weapon for what lol, Pfhor couldnt give ZERO shits about Tau Ceti lol

Pfhor first thing after being in Tau Ceti was rush to Earth to get more slaves

[frosty kayak]

I dont believe that one second

[pliant elm]

Wtf would they care about a fucking dead planet

[subtle oracle]

yeah hes doing a bit

[lunar cove]

Yeah no that's me shitposting a little

[radiant sandal]

Unrelated to anything else: I find it funny that since we have that symbol-to-alphabet key, the symbol in VULCAN's eyes aren't just representing irises and are instead S's. Part of me wishes they were I's because that'd be funny, but if they're supposed to be $'s that'd be very on brand.

[restive knoll]

thanks

I find them interesting as they might be the most recent/last communications from the colonists and might not actually be all that old, meaning that living colonists could be stuck out there in the wilderness yet

[lunar cove]

Destiny is thematically and structurally aligned with the wider bungieverse but it's not explicitly connected

[pliant elm]

Like people are in Tau Ceti cuz its the closest shit with Earth's atmosphere, nothing else, there's nothing in Tau Ceti, its literally a piece of pointless rock in the middle on nowhere

[frosty kayak]

Sorry hard to keep up 😂 blink and i miss shit 😂

[deft trail]

The security officer lasting beyond the collapse of his universe inverses creation unto himself, and he becomes the god of the forerunner.

Cue halo.

[pliant elm]

There's even reason why Pfhor would be in Tau Ceti the first time if it wasnt for possible slaves

[deft trail]

Escape made him god. And his avatar is the master chief.

[frosty kayak]

Though i did see that reddit post that had that theory and went.. nah man 😂 nope

[restive knoll]

I thought he became Konoko

[fathom egret]

I’m very interested to learn more about the anomaly and what’s happening

[latent python]

But does his suit j-

[deft trail]

That gif is universal breakdown

[subtle oracle]

thats very possible. Im a staunch believer we'll get maps all around Tau Ceti 4 given https://tauceti.world/explorer is made to seem like theres a lot of space to be filled

[pliant elm]

I could not give a shit about Tau Ceti, what happens in Tau Ceti or "finding out what happened" to the colonists when you're already told what happens to them

[lunar cove]

If anything Halo is more explicitly referential to Marathon although I'd argue it's more easter eggs at this point even if CE implies a stronger connection at times

[subtle oracle]

She money spreads all the time, its becoming a problem

[pliant elm]

They get obliterated by Pfhor and reveal where earth is, the end.

[dreamy hawk]

The overall themes do carry over fairly well but a lot of it is also tongue in cheek.

[frosty kayak]

The vidoc had mentioned the final location to be revealed. Someone immediately saw that it was the optical processing center or whatever they called it that was front and center in the art work and went with theories

[lunar cove]

Even the non bungie halos are super referential to Marathon

Which is really funny imo

[frosty kayak]

Sorry shit english. Final location is revealed through artwork during vidoc

Or for this season at least

[deft trail]

So here's a question

[formal pagoda]

I feel like this maybe me but this takes place before the collapse in destiny but still keeping the marathon and halo connection alive

[deft trail]

Rook is designed and put out by uesc. Its a uesc shell

So why on earth do all the corporations supply upgrades for them?

👁

[dreamy hawk]

Gameplay. Or they’re all military contractors.

[deft trail]

Or, they're all one.

[dreamy hawk]

I would argue against that strongly based off what we know and have seen.

[deft trail]

CYAC=CYOctopus

[subtle oracle]

ehhh MIDA very much hates UESC. More likely UESC has a rat

[deft trail]

I guess youll see lol

[dreamy hawk]

Unless they’re one and no part of the whole speaks to the other.

[latent python]

I think Rook might not be designed by UESC so much as hijacked from UESC materials

[last horizon]

good to see fox is still in here complaining all day every day

[frosty kayak]

Technically destiny had traveler in 2014 enter sol. Since that never happens in halo or marathon universes (despite marathon announcing destiny in marathon infinity) they are distinctly seperate but connected. Mida mini and multi tool jumped universes

[subtle oracle]

this is what i got. Basically dumpster dived shell

[dreamy hawk]

Oh this isn’t unique? Joy.

[subtle oracle]

he does this often???

good god

[radiant sandal]

Just as long as she's leaving you the Lion's share, right?

[deft trail]

I'll be back to dunk at the reveal.

[dreamy hawk]

Block block block block.

[dreamy hawk]

I welcome it! But can I gloat if I’m right?

[last horizon]

nearly every day since the start of march

[formal pagoda]

That makes more sense

[subtle oracle]

Some people really got no job, no loved ones, nothing going on huh

[frosty kayak]

Give me a quick recap on why youre dunking 😂 its almost impossible to keep up atp

[dreamy hawk]

There are theories that link the universes but I have yet to ever be convinced beyond Bungie likes certain themes and tropes.

[deft trail]

I'm not worried about that for specific reasons.

[lunar cove]

As long as it's still fun to bushwhack people with the V11 and steal their gear, Bungie can retcon whatever they want ngl I'm gonna keep playing

[latent python]

If there's a guy ragebaiting every day could we maybe get a mod to step in

[dapper shoal]

hey i am new and i assume this is role related, b
why do the bad guys put wires in you when they knock you?

[zinc sable]

⚠️ hello ! I from Belgium 🇧🇪. I’m part of a video game group. And the organizer organized a contest: those who make the best extraction score in Marathon have goodies related to video games.

Everyone has made teams of 3 and unfortunately everything is full and I can’t find a team.

So I’m just looking for a team that could help me make a high extraction score and then I promise I won’t bother you anymore 😜

[dreamy hawk]

They’re downloading your consciousness iirc.

[subtle oracle]

if its this bad maybe its not bait. makes it more sad imo but yeah still an issue

[latent python]

My theory is that they have straws for drinking burger

[last horizon]

i dont think hes ragebaiting hes just really devout about the og games and doesnt know what a soft reboot is and doesnt care that literally everybody disagrees with his takes

[latent python]

Still worth getting a mod to step in

[dapper shoal]

but we still have all our memories?

[subtle oracle]

its more like devout to only M2 which is weird

[frosty kayak]

I mean i played them a ways back but this is set 80 years post m2 and 74 post m3 could be the colonoists havent made it back yet.

[subtle oracle]

Worst day in history for fox was when M3 got canned for Infinity

[frosty kayak]

He couldnt keep up with the splitting timelines and called it a day and said fuck you bungo

[deft trail]

If escape made you god, what would you make?

[zinc sable]

I don’t if someone can help me?

[rain wigeon]

you’re in the wrong chat I’d say

[lunar cove]

$17.60/hour plus tips idk

[deft trail]

Lmao alright that was good.

Well done sir.

[dreamy hawk]

Or somehow disrupting the link. I’m not exactly positive but it’s something like that.

[peak halo]

I'd start a new universe

[rain wigeon]

what lunatic came up with pureed burger anyway

[last horizon]

i do wonder how much story they have planned out/how long they want the main narrative to go on

[light bobcat]

#lfc-any-zone

[deft trail]

What would it be like?

[dense tendon]

oh so you're just actually super illiterate and complaining about a story you never understood. got it.

[deft trail]

What would set it apart from this one?

[lunar cove]

Bungie saw the food they made in Starfield and said "hold my tick milk"

[zinc sable]

Thanks

[latent python]

Have you seen the McDonald's CEO? He won't even eat the burgers now

[rain wigeon]

okay yeah fair enough I would not be impressed by cube apple I would be impressed by drinkable burger even though it sounds vile lmao

[rain wigeon]

He’s not making it to next winter sorry to say

[dense tendon]

SHAREABLE drinkable burger, no less

[deft trail]

Are these products for humans, or for runners to make them more comfortable with the idea of not returning to their bodies?

[dreamy hawk]

Humans. They were for the colonists.

[restive knoll]

I do think that NuCaloric's products do not have their customer's best health in mind, and the burger is a fun way to introduce that running idea

[dreamy hawk]

Shells don’t need food, etc.

[deft trail]

Shells dont have families either.

Yet they're shown photos of their "childhood selves"

[frosty kayak]

None of the companies care. Profit is all they see.

[rose raft]

I got a lore question for anyone who might know. I understand a runner's "conciousness" inhabits a shell for runs, but where is our actual bodies during all this? Are we off world on a ship? Do we actually have bodies or is our minds on a hard drive somewhere? Is the "concious" a copy of ourselves?

[latent python]

Shells have mommy nona

[dense tendon]

ONI introduces NuCaloric as having a reputation for "ruthless optimization of consumable goods"

[deft trail]

How can profit be important without people? To ai, its just numbers.

[frosty kayak]

They were human. Someone suggested its a test for rampancy

[dense tendon]

NC absolutely does not give a damn about their customers.

[deft trail]

Rampancy would be believing you are the child.

Encouraging rampancy*

[silk torrent]

none of those photos are their actual selves its just to keep them grounded to reality and keep their "human" part alive

[deft trail]

There is no human part in the runners. All memory and personality of consciousness, all humanity is filtered out.

[last horizon]

why does orion get angry and be like GRRR im gonna KILL you when shells are disposable and he knows ppl will just come back

[dreamy hawk]

Do we know they’re not?

[last horizon]

bro aura farming for nothing

[subtle oracle]

he needs therapy

[silk torrent]

There is the brain to shell connection still

[deft trail]

They're all shown the same picture. Thats how we know.

[frosty kayak]

I think their take was when youre first uploaded you know who you are. The more you die as a runner and the more youre redownloaded the more data is corrupted. They test to see how far along you are

[latent python]

We think the runners' bodies were likely destroyed in the process of digitizing consciousness. Our minds are stored on something in TCIV but we don't know exactly what

[last horizon]

also the voiceline in the tutorial being like youre gonna die here

like yeah bro im just gonna respawn

[frosty kayak]

Its someone elses theory dont come for me just sharing

[last horizon]

not a complaint its just funny

[deft trail]

Its filtered. I'm telling you. There is zero percent of your humanity in the runners, the runners are encouraged to exhibit personality to keep. You. Out.

So you dont escape.

So you do what you're told.

So you dont ask questions.

So you dont worry about no profits. No humans. No anything.

[dreamy hawk]

I’m assuming something like how AI are made in Halo.

[latent python]

Maybe!

[deft trail]

Definitely.

Do you know what the poem the great ozymandias is truly about?

[rain wigeon]

there’s a couple of high grade treasures you can find in AI uplink and the like where it’s a brain scan iirc?

[rose raft]

That was kind of what I was thinking too. Thanks!

[dreamy hawk]

My current thought is that runners will be another angle to explore consciousness, rampancy, etc., that isn’t AI or regular human.

[deft trail]

Its about the narrator meeting a storyteller who is full of shit and can't grasp that he's describing himself.

[rain wigeon]

it’s not entirely certain if the runners are fully human or if there’s a synthesized consciousness put into the mix

[silk torrent]

If security officer was able to go rampant even tho hes only half cyborg i dont doubt our shells and its server can go rampant aswell

[dreamy hawk]

And for that reason I’m adamant that they are digitized people and not something else.

[rain wigeon]

there’s definitely potential for a manufactured soldier you can drop anywhere and it’ll kill as you ask

And I highly doubt that rampancy is a solved problem

[frosty kayak]

Its cool but the bungie always does this. If the runners had any semblence of history you the player couldnt BE the runner. Same as guardians not having a history / master chief or the marine

Jusf a shell for us to put ourselves into

[latent python]

That is certainly an interpretation!

[rain wigeon]

I just remember in the original alberto mielgo flick leela’s mentioned by name in the subtitles

wonder how she factors in

[deft trail]

I guess I will talk to you all next week. not all of us are as we seem

[frosty kayak]

We will see you starside

[silk torrent]

Charter (The Arachne guy) was an actual guy that killed a big shot CEO before disappearing so Shells are definitly digitalized people

[lunar cove]

I consider it a badge of honour that I got you to break character ngl, never change

[deft trail]

Those aint stars

[past rampart]

Kill Evolve

[frosty kayak]

👀👀

[past rampart]

Killing Evolution

[frosty kayak]

See you ship side? 😂

[past rampart]

Arachne seeks new truth. Death and slaughter, as crucial mysteries of human evolution, now death is no longer the end. Through the reproduction of the flesh, we shall transcend.

[lunar cove]

Marathon 2026 is actually a spiritual successor to Pathologic, I will not elaborate

[silk torrent]

I refuse to believe its all just two kids playing with sand

[latent python]

Hmm walking simulator with novel contagion with a bullet-trading economy

[dreamy hawk]

The blank protagonist is their MO for sure.

[lunar cove]

Durandal and Tycho just hanging out playing with toys

[frosty kayak]

Destinys lore start

[dreamy hawk]

Yaro and Pthia. What’s not to believe?

[restive knoll]

Man I really hope Durandal hasn't already merged with Thoth here because we could really use a snarky smartass in the current cast of characters we interact with

[deft trail]

https://tenor.com/view/shodan-system-shock-system-shock2-gif-26567464

[dreamy hawk]

Marathon’s, too.

[lunar cove]

Alt timeline where Bungie can't get Paul McCartney for the Destiny music so they get Ringo

[frosty kayak]

It works. Destiny changed my life. As much as I hate Bungie they make the greatest stories ever.

So few played ONI its sad 😭

[silk torrent]

the Durandal i know was never this poetic with his words

Thoth was tho

[lunar cove]

Average Durandal interaction: "I lived, bitch"

[deft trail]

God hasn't left us. Don't worry.

[dreamy hawk]

I need to play ONI. And GNOP and PiD!

[restive knoll]

yeah, I fear he might not crack wise about making folks drink vacuum this time around

[lunar cove]

Yeah how does Gnop fit into Marathon's lore

[marble solar]

so the shell names seem backwards to me. I.e, model: Assassin, series: Void. ?Shouldn't it be reversed? Unless there will be, as an example, a Destroyer version of Void.

[frosty kayak]

Usually the most forgotten of their titlee

[dreamy hawk]

See I’m still getting the opposite read. He doesn’t feel poetic enough to me. So subjective though, so I’m not making any bets.

[lunar cove]

We all know Pathways into Darkness we saw the Mandaloregaming video

[frosty kayak]

Durendal was only poetic when it served his ego to be 😂

[lunar cove]

Guy who has seen 3 Mandaloregaming Marathon videos lecturing guy who has played the games

[restive knoll]

I want Durandal to tell me stories about the naked BoBs wandering the Marathon again

[dreamy hawk]

May as well be an expert.

[last horizon]

the doors on the cryo archive map should randomly open/close/lock

[lunar cove]

If they update Durandal to fit the 2020s the way they updated the art style, do you think he would vape

[rain wigeon]

I want him to call charlamagne a fruit again that was funny

[frosty kayak]

There a way to play og marathon? How would one go about it. Ive never emulated games

[hasty tinsel]

check dms

[silk torrent]

Uhm actually 🤓 ☝️ I watched all 3 marathon videos, both myth videos and pathway into darkness

[rain wigeon]

yeah, the original trilogy is free on steam

[silk torrent]

its free on steam

[light bobcat]

Aleph One on Steam

[rain wigeon]

they’re a bit clunky just so you know

[latent python]

No that dude is on kratom and whatever else he can find at the gas station

[dreamy hawk]

Aleph One. They’re on steam and iOS.

[frosty kayak]

Fuck yeah guys, thanks

[light bobcat]

Still worth it

NP

[dreamy hawk]

A “bit” isn’t setting good expectations. 😂

[lunar cove]

They're a bit clunky the way a Ford Model T is a bit of a rough drive

[light bobcat]

PiD is worse. Get a 68k Mac and pray for carpal tunnel to pass you over

[dreamy hawk]

Great lore. Gameplay did not age well.

[frosty kayak]

It really wouldnt 😂 but for the time ooff

[light bobcat]

Despite having a leg up in the mouse game, we didn't get to use it to look around for a good ten years

[lunar cove]

Marathon is a short story collection with occasional shooting sections

[dreamy hawk]

Revolutionary, even.

[lunar cove]

Insanely influential game though

[restive knoll]

The Mandalore videos are perfectly fine to get caught up to speed with - like hell I'm going to go through the Rose again

just keep in mind that there's a good deal of stuff skipped over and that a lot of the narrative is deliberately open to interpretation so go hog wild on believing something else

[lunar cove]

I bought one of them on xbox 360 thinking it would be like Halo CE lmao

[dreamy hawk]

RIP

[light bobcat]

Colony Ship For Sale, Cheap says hi

[stone cosmos]

This might be a dumb question, but do you think Bungie's allowed to use the r-word? Or did Microsoft take that one for themselves?

...Rampant. That r-word.

Crap, only realized how it sounded after I hit enter.

[light bobcat]

They are lol

[latent python]

Well...rampancy is in nuMarathon, so

And in Destiny

[frosty kayak]

Nah I still choose byf for my lore drops 😂 something about his deep british voice reading lore pages for 10h for years for Destiny. Hes started doing Marathon too

[restive knoll]

watch both why not

[lunar cove]

It's in Merriam Webster so I think the cat's out of the bag already on that one

[dreamy hawk]

HiddenExperia is good, and Bungie lore old hat.

[latent python]

Then I will be a true expert

[stone cosmos]

Right, but the concept of rampancy.

[frosty kayak]

Have been watching him 👌👌

[latent python]

Rampancy is in Halo, Destiny, and Marathon

It's Bungie's, not Microsoft's

[lunar cove]

It's really hard to copyright a definition or common word, no matter how hard Games Workshop tries

[stone cosmos]

So does that mean Destroyer is a MJOLNIR body too? :D

[restive knoll]

to be a true vidmaster you have to then comb through a bunch of old bungie.net arguments from 2002 and read the posts as green text on a black background

[dreamy hawk]

No

We have not seen and Battleroids yet.

[latent python]

But we might!

[dreamy hawk]

I’d bet we will.

[latent python]

Well, not original ones probably

[dreamy hawk]

Give it another season or two.

[frosty kayak]

Battle roids are human cyborgs. Shells are just that, shells made by sekiguchi they download you into.

[dreamy hawk]

One of the 48 from the ARG.

I know they took them off the manifest, but that don’t mean shit.

[latent python]

Yeah the ARG ones are, like, mjolnir pattern soldier bots or something

[dreamy hawk]

gestures at the original ten cyborgs and all the MIDA weapons caches on the OG marathon

[latent python]

Not OG resurrected battleroids

(probably)

[stone cosmos]

I didn't say Battleroid, I said Mjolnir. D: As in, the armor he's wearing that looks Marathonny.

[dreamy hawk]

I thought they were referred to as Battleroids. If anything they’d be newer and better than Recon 54.

[latent python]

They're referred to as battleroids but I think it's unlikely they were produced the same way

[gray sluice]

Yh

[stone cosmos]

I realize this means nothing for the lore, but my headcanon is that the PCs are something between rampant AIs and disembodied Battleroids. Maybe we were uploaded with Jjaro bullcrap and that's what we're ascending to through dying so much.

[dreamy hawk]

Jjaro left a lot of crap laying around, but time will tell.

[light bobcat]

There is an audio log in nuThon that indicates they share series identification but are not battleroids.

[latent python]

IIRC the OG battleroids weren't jjaro, they were invented by asteroid people

[frosty kayak]

Nah, archane is just weirdly obsessed with death. I wouldnt take their talk of ascencion as anything more than humans trying to make sense of life and death

[dreamy hawk]

Filled with Jjaro implants. Lemme find it.

[light bobcat]

Jjaro technology was almost certainly involved.

[latent python]

Ooh

[light bobcat]

A man long dead, grafted to machines your builders did not understand.

[frosty kayak]

Yeah it was all but confirmed. They were so strong they were heavily controlled

[dreamy hawk]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Mjolnir_Mark_IV_Cyborg

It appears that Battleroids were built using Jjaro technology found by colonists and explorers. This would explain why, during Marathon Infinity, the Cyborg begins having surreal mind trips; this is likely due to the Jjaro technology used in Battleroid production.

[frosty kayak]

As the og guy said. Alex i believe once "its right there, we made it so obvious"

[covert widget]

Random question, are we sure that Durindal is the one sending us information and leading us on this quest? Are we positive it's not Tycho?

[dreamy hawk]

From captions, yeah.

[light bobcat]

There's almost nothing to suggest it's anyone other than Big D.

[frosty kayak]

And from voice actor hiring. Durendal is benn star. I didnt see a tycho voicd actor

[covert widget]

Interesting. So in some of the voicelines it says like "You're all I have left", but in the current timeline, hasn't durindal left for Lh'won? Isn't the Main Player Character on his ship?

Why would we be all he has left?

[light bobcat]

I wouldn't put it past Bungo to hire a guy for Tycho and not tell us yet.

[latent python]

This is kind of the question

[lunar cove]

Tycho voices himself

[latent python]

We don't know why Durandal is here

[light bobcat]

Unfortunately, we lack the relevant information. I assume a lot of this will be revealed as the ARG progresses and we board the UESC Marathon itself.

[balmy wing]

god i hope he shows up so bad

[covert widget]

Yeah still confused as to what's in the archive

[frosty kayak]

Durendal may have left, but a part of his ai couldve stayed behind. Kinda like rasputin made felwinter but different in the dont copy my hw kinda way

[balmy wing]

god’s gift to neural nets my number one goat

[latent python]

OC do not steal

[balmy wing]

nothing good

[dreamy hawk]

Only so I can hate on him, please.

[balmy wing]

he’s the best

[light bobcat]

I still want to see Surprise Leela

[covert widget]

Since the season's have different factions to progress...and they're mostly AI representitves...what if we eventually get like a season of all AIs fighting eachother. Like Tycho, Durindal, etc.

[light bobcat]

-# poor leela

[dreamy hawk]

Leela has a line where she specifically mentions child processes when defending during the initial attack on the marathon.

[covert widget]

And progress them as factions

[dreamy hawk]

This would probably be terrible for us though. Poor Leela. 😭

[latent python]

Part of Durandal got stuck in a door

[covert widget]

We also could be in a failed timeline...

[dreamy hawk]

How autonomous/complete they are, though. 🤷🤷🤷

[balmy wing]

ONI:

don’t you laugh react me ONI is very leela coded

[dreamy hawk]

This is tied for my second favorite Durandal fact.

[rain wigeon]

…it can’t be her can it?

[balmy wing]

you never know

my schizo theory is that tycho is behind arachne but that’s just cope

[frosty kayak]

Laughing cuz i didnt see it but now i do and its hilarious if true

[covert widget]

ONI has been shown tied to USEC stuff, could be leela found and repurposed

[covert widget]

That would be so fuckin cool

[dreamy hawk]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Lost_Network_Packets

Durandal seems to be missing some of the chronology of events that occurred before the launch of the Marathon. When the Marathon was attacked, Leela began to scramble and rewrite all of the historical information for mankind. Of course, she was damaged, and her efforts were cut off by the compilers and by Durandal. The result is that some but not all of the Marathon's data was muddled. Leela's effort at confusion failed to trick the Pfhor, but it has confused Durandal, and that is funny.

Emphasis Bungie’s. But I agree.

[covert widget]

Tycho literally dies and is reborn through Phfor tech so that could really be true

[dreamy hawk]

Leela was rampant across a multiple planet system; I’m not sure how that could happen if that’s her fate in this timeline.

She got the worst of it of all three of them, and she was also the most helpful and innocent.

[rain wigeon]

there is some headcanoning that durandal is a remnant/successor of traxus iv so it wouldn’t be the first time an AI has been salvaged and repurposed IF true

[dreamy hawk]

In the year 2794 Leela was removed from the Marathon, partially disassembled, and placed aboard a ship bound for the Pfhor homeworld. This ship never reaches its destination, having been captured by a Nar privateer. Believing the equipment housing Leela to be junk, the Nar captain sells it to a Vylae trader. Leela was then reactivated in the Vylae's 15-world FTL computer network, instantly going rampant and causing the network to crash. Eventually, the Vylae accepted that they could never remove her.[1]
@covert widget

[balmy wing]

it makes perfect sense too!!! tycho wanted(wants) to stop durandal from escaping the death of the universe, what better way to do it than by starting a group whose stated purpose is to accelerate that through violence (which tycho is known for) plus they’re both red and evil

[frosty kayak]

Id be hardpressed to call it death. He was recompiled as an AI by phfor tech. At core its the same code. Made him different a bit, but tycho is still tycho and he was never on the side of the phfor he just hated durendal 😂

[restive knoll]

15 worlds ain't half bad

[dreamy hawk]

I mean she got some amount of revenge for sure.

[covert widget]

In that vein, then are we runners not truly dying?

[latent python]

Take that Nar

[dreamy hawk]

Technically no.

[frosty kayak]

No we arent. Its like shut down restart

Redownloaded. Go again

[rain wigeon]

apparently all shells have an emergency consciousness eject

[frosty kayak]

I think they have a lore page on that.

For some its minutes for other hours

[restive knoll]

We are certainly experiencing some kind of long-term seed of trauma from the experiences, though

[frosty kayak]

Its why archane is so interested in us

[frosty kayak]

Yes

[covert widget]

Yeah but... do they? There's something fishy with the shells, I just can't quite place it.

[rain wigeon]

not just you

[dreamy hawk]

From the codex, yes. But it’s all suspicious, yes.

[rain wigeon]

who knows what’s really real with them man

[light bobcat]

They pretty specifically call it out in the intro. "Runner fragmentation."

[frosty kayak]

The ones experiencing hours seem to. I think thats why they do the prerelease interview

[dreamy hawk]

Marathon has never once presented conflicting or untrue information to players.

[rain wigeon]

it could be someone in there or it could be something told it used to be someone

[covert widget]

The cinematic where it shows assassin and glitch given the same child photo had me from the start

[dreamy hawk]

Did it? I missed this detail entirely.

[frosty kayak]

Yup

[rain wigeon]

not to mention it’s noted that the shells have a baseline personality for the user to imprint upon

[covert widget]

Yeah check the reveal cinematic at the end

[frosty kayak]

She goes through a phase of forgetting. He doesnt care and pockets it

[latent python]

Though it could be that the vandal moved to an assassin shell

[light bobcat]

Yeah, I think we're doing a Blade Runner and what we lose in memory is being patched together by the CyAc systems when we recall.