📚marathon-lore-discussion

[gray sluice]

Big assumption I won't lie

[dreamy hawk]

It’s mostly assumptions right now, though, isn’t it?

[gray sluice]

More theories but depends on your view of assumption

[astral hamlet]

Whats with the C.05 keys

[gray sluice]

For marton ship

Rather locked rooms or to access cryo as a whole

[dreamy hawk]

Until they draw clearer lines in the cannon, I feel like it’s all about the same right now. But 🤷.

But I’m also not playing enough to have read all the codex entries, so I may have missed plenty of relevant lines.

[gray sluice]

Dunno the closest I've gotten to a theory that's not that much of a theory is the holy trinity

[astral hamlet]

Ooh gotta keep it in vault

[gray sluice]

Yeah 100%

[dreamy hawk]

Charlemagne, Cortana, and Joyous? Or another trinity?

[gray sluice]

2 secs

Holy Trinity of things 100% in cryo: S'ct'lac'tr S'phit zombie disease, Tycho or the dead security officer/cyborgs

[sharp vine]

I keep thinking of the L4D boomer

[latent python]

There are several things from Marathon 2 that don't quite feel like they could still be canon but they weren't experienced on-screen so we could be getting a new perspective on those events. Or we're in a different timeline. And it's impossible to know which right now.

[heady kindle]

Going aboard the Marathon and immediately Leela goes "we are not doing this again" and unleashes bioroids

[gray sluice]

Going aboard the marathon and you get instantly vented by Tycho

[latent python]

But Tycho doesn't control the doors!

[gray sluice]

The doors mason what do they mean?

[dreamy hawk]

I’d be curious to hear more if you have something written up or I might have to drag you into a VC to pick your brain some time.

[latent python]

He really really wishes he could vent you

[gray sluice]

Idk bro I've explained it so many times😭

All roads lead to the holy Trinity

[dreamy hawk]

Gotta make a copypasta.

[gray sluice]

Nah can get timed out for spam

[heady kindle]

I suspect that all the events of One and Two are gonna happen in some way on Tau Ceti

[gray sluice]

I sincerely doubt the S'phit controller robot is in cryo tho

[latent python]

I love the idea that you go on the Marathon and Tycho and Leela are there but they're completely handicapped by being unable to open any doors

[gray sluice]

Is feasible tho

[dreamy hawk]

OK - one question, then. How did the S’ct’lac’tr end up on the marathon? I don’t recall it being around on Lhwohn still?

[latent python]

So you beam up and Tycho is like "thank gods someone with hands"

[heady kindle]

If it's mostly Sph't on The Marathon then I'm certain that Marathon is secretly Boomer 2

[gray sluice]

S'phit released it as the pfhor pressured them to on tau ceti IV after they got their ass handed to them by battleroids but then S'phit realised the contagion is too fuckin volatile (like flood in halo) so they quarantined the infected personnel onto the marathon

In cryo

And since the infection also applies to ai they probs put the ai literally on ice in there

[dreamy hawk]

And because I earnestly don’t remember, is this a terminal or part of the theory? Because it sounds good.

[gray sluice]

Or maybe Tycho is there controlling the marathon to make sure it doesn't get out

[gray sluice]

No that's the theory

[dreamy hawk]

It’s a pretty good theory, not that my opinion is worth much.

But I will say that I don’t see Tycho being so altruistic. 😅

[gray sluice]

The S'ct'lac'tr is a s'phit bioweapon designed in the S'phit/Phfor conflict which failed to stop the S'phit being enslaved

[gray sluice]

The S'phit would of enslaved him

I mean look at his logs in M2

They drove him to such extreme rampancy that he made it his MAIN goal to kill the security officer out of pettiness

[dreamy hawk]

Fair, fair. Good points.

[heady kindle]

So we know that BoBs exist in this timeline but the colonists differentiate themselves from BoBs and seem order them around so are BoBs like... Slaves?

[old rover]

kinda funny af, correct me if im wrong tho but iirc leela is still donezo? or did i misremember

[heady kindle]

I mean runners are also slaves

[gray sluice]

Kind of like literal human resources

[latent python]

No yeah she's pretty donezo

[gray sluice]

Like d classes in scp

[gray sluice]

Everyone's a slave if you contribute to a system

Slavery is an incredibly overused word

[dreamy hawk]

BoBs probably aren’t akin to slaves, but they’re not the top of the pecking order.

[heady kindle]

I mean human chatel not the Jokerpilled frustrations of office workers

[gray sluice]

You mean extorted

[latent python]

Runners are indentured

[gray sluice]

Then sure

[latent python]

BOBs are...I mean I don't know, they might have limited rights or personhood

[gray sluice]

Heh I don't mean office work I mean fundamentally

But we've already covered that in earlier convos

[latent python]

Runners don't seem to have limited legal personhood but certainly limited rights

And are indentured as hell

[heady kindle]

Runners might be BoBs now that I think about it

I mean where else are they getting human intelligences?

[latent python]

We are told that runners are being beamed in from sol

[gray sluice]

Contracting people from sol IV and mars

[dreamy hawk]

From Earth Sol.

[gray sluice]

And mars

[heady kindle]

Okay so we're space internet

[gray sluice]

Ish

[latent python]

Some people have theories that runners are being lied to and that's a possibility but not well supported

[gray sluice]

Runners coming from the sun?

[latent python]

The solar system

[dreamy hawk]

Along with the Wrkncanter.

You know what I meant.

[gray sluice]

Runners coming from Neptune?

[dreamy hawk]

Feels a bit pedantic now.

[heady kindle]

I'm curious where the stuff we take goes

[gray sluice]

Do you guys think runners Livestream runs

[latent python]

I'm still not clear where FTL data comes from but seemingly it's real

[heady kindle]

Is it getting teleported to earth or being hoarded on some structure of the planet?

[dreamy hawk]

There’s a FTL comms relay going back to the sol system now. Or it’s being built. I still don’t know if that ship has arrived or is still en route.

[gray sluice]

We don't know.

[gray sluice]

If it wasn't already built runners couldn't beam down to TCIV

[dreamy hawk]

Which would be my assumption.

[latent python]

Though since there isn't FTL travel (for humans) there really only needs to be a single two way connection

[gray sluice]

This isn't confirmed

[dreamy hawk]

But I don’t have anything to point to so imma hedge my confidence until someone can point me to a source. 😅

[gray sluice]

Humans MIGHT have FTL

We just don't know

[latent python]

FTL travel certainly didn't exist in OG Marathon

[gray sluice]

We're like centuries after it tho

[heady kindle]

Although teleporters did

[dreamy hawk]

They at least should have warp missiles. But travel is another thing.

[gray sluice]

This isn't confirmed either.

[latent python]

Yeah there's short-distance teleporters

[gray sluice]

Uesc seems pretty ignorant to durandal

And the pfhor

[dreamy hawk]

Which would be a change from the original cannon.

[latent python]

The thing is, if there was FTL travel I'd think that people would be at Tau Ceti by now

(again)

[dreamy hawk]

But I don’t disagree with the observation at present.

[gray sluice]

Non inhabitable

Plus uesc currently investigating what TF went on

[latent python]

Okay so you think humans do have FTL travel?

Or you just put it in an unknown gray space

[gray sluice]

It's better to assume we do as it cleans up plot holes

[latent python]

I'm more of the thought that it's FTL data yes, FTL travel no

[valid pewter]

I feel like the UESC knows what happened, but they’re keeping it a secret

[karmic sleet]

oh shit when did we get more cameras wtf

[dreamy hawk]

FTL data yes, FTL travel, maybe.

[latent python]

But Pfhor deffo have FTL travel

[dreamy hawk]

Very likely.

[dreamy hawk]

Yes.

[gray sluice]

Well if you create FTL data like hundreds of years ago you'd think you'd be FTL travelling by now

[valid pewter]

Why else deploy their armed forces to protect an abandoned colony?

[dreamy hawk]

They needed to use up the budget before the next fiscal year?

But I would agree/also think that they know faaarrrr more than they’re letting on.

[heady kindle]

Well seemingly just the robotic forces no human military

[gray sluice]

I think we are overestimating what % of the uesc is on tau ceti

[karmic sleet]

RUN_DIAG ? Anyone else seeing this?

[gray sluice]

Where

[latent python]

Yeah it seems to me like everything on TC right now is being printed - bots, runners

[split fern]

money, something went horribly wrong on Ceti, if they know it was alien attack or anomaly or anything in between it doesnt matter because.

1. valuable resources
2. can be potentionally weaponized
3. they know what happened and public cant know

[karmic sleet]

Cryoarchive site

[dreamy hawk]

Imma go do some stuff offline, but if anyone wants to chat lore and do some runs later, shoot me a DM.

[karmic sleet]

over camera 2

[valid pewter]

Pray we never have to fight a battleroid

[dreamy hawk]

My money is we explicitly will as a boss at some point. Probably not this season but.

[split fern]

i wouldnt be surprised if we find some on marathon

[dreamy hawk]

Anywho, take care y’all.

[latent python]

Season 5, Cerberus in a battleroid

[valid pewter]

Absolutely not lmao

[dreamy hawk]

We know they’re not.

[gray sluice]

How?

[latent python]

Well for one thing the UN hasn't banned us from ever being made ever again

[dreamy hawk]

Damage output, the damage they can take. The feats our runners pull are nothing compared to the SO. But now I really do need to go. 👋

[gray sluice]

Forgot about that

[split fern]

even from the basic production reasons: Shells are expandable scavangers, no real combat intention, battleroid are... battleroids? 😄

[latent python]

(I can't remember if it was the UESC who put the ban on battleroids)

[gray sluice]

And tbf like 9 battleroids fended off a pfhor fleet

[heady kindle]

My assumption is that the UESC has some control over resources on the colony remotely which allows them to deploy the robotic forces but doesn't have the ability to send like a spaceship via FTL

[valid pewter]

You play as one in the original trilogy. You’re punching compilers to death with your bare hands while a single one bodies every runner we’ve seen in the trailers

[latent python]

Battleroids are corpses stuffed with cyberware

From the...eugenics wars or something

[gray sluice]

Please don't talk to me like I'm that new to marathon 😭 I've played all the games

[latent python]

You might notice that I only half remember these things

[heady kindle]

Or the UESC presence on TCIV is the something rampant or native to the colony

[crisp zealot]

Folks were talking about not having FTLs like Durandal didn't remark on the Phfor having it

[latent python]

But I do remember that battleroids were considered too powerful and also probably horrific that they were made a war crime

And runners aren't a war crime...yet

[gray sluice]

But isn't the destroyer shell modelled after the mjonir series?

[latent python]

Might be, but it's still weavewormed and not resurrected

[valid pewter]

From what I can tell, we’re super flimsy puppet people

[split fern]

i dont think they'll ever be, every major investor is gaining profit either its data from shells or directly what they gather from TCIV

[valid pewter]

We can only last 30 minutes on the surface before the connection is severed

[latent python]

I think the 30 minute limitation is more because of a communications window and not because that's how long shells last before they dissolve

[valid pewter]

In universe, it might be Tau Ceti orbiting out of direct contact

[sinful echo]

They do specify in a codex entry that it's due to specific interference from Tau Ceti that causes the time limit

[crisp zealot]

Are we beamed directly from Sol? I haven’t been able to tell. Like, is our consciousness on a server in sol somewhere and being beamed to TCIV?

[valid pewter]

My runner works part time in the crypto mines

[gray sluice]

Our brains are the server

[crisp zealot]

Okay but where is the server?

[gray sluice]

But yes rather in Tau ceti orbit or in sol

[crisp zealot]

And to inhabit a runner did we have to give up a physical body? Do you just walk up to the local recruiter and get your brain downloaded and meat vaporized?

[latent python]

It really seems like the process is destructive to the original body as well

[crisp zealot]

Right, I feel that way too

[split fern]

I believe so

[valid pewter]

If they’re beaming us from sol, are the comms ftl or is it taking years to upload?

[gray sluice]

Ftl

They've had FTL comms for years

[valid pewter]

Ah that’s right

[gray sluice]

In M1 the uesc marathon had an FTL array

[crisp zealot]

But imagine the latency. In the original marathon didn’t it take 8 years for the message to get back?

[gray sluice]

It just got destroyed

When the FTL array got destroyed then uesc was like what the flip and launched project Goliath

[split fern]

thats what I am thinking, Im more positive about the fact we are on the orbit, maybe right in the Marathon ship?

[gray sluice]

HELL NAH

Ts might be THE WORST theory OAT

[crisp zealot]

Is it?

[gray sluice]

Yh I'm hopping off

[crisp zealot]

What if the bodies in cryo are ours?

[valid pewter]

I dunno. I think it’s implied cryo is failing or has failed

[crisp zealot]

And our minds were downloaded to a digital space and used to run the runners.

[crisp zealot]

But that’s just meat. Why do we give a shit if it’s not us? Aren’t all the other colonists massacred?

I don’t get the feelin the corpos are coming to TCIV to just save however many humies are in cryo. Nothing has screamed rescue mission to me, yet.

[valid pewter]

Whoever survived the Pfhor didn’t survive the anomaly

[split fern]

I dont think any of the shells will scream rescue, shells are again just mercs almost all the AIs we interact with is being obvious about it

our job is hop in, steal, get back, rinse and repeat

[valid pewter]

I don’t think you can upload a mind without consent, legally at least

[crisp zealot]

I dont just mean the shells, I mean the corporate liasons arent urging us to find out what happened here and get those cryo folks back online.

[split fern]

what i believe is that, before we runners were human and they were uploaded they did give consent, its sort of like in move Mickey 17

[misty goblet]

I found a terminal at dire marsh, what do I do

[crisp zealot]

What a sad life, huh? Cryo-slept for centuries to toil away on a new planet, only to get attacked by alien slavers TWICE. Then, if you survived that and the harsh environment, you get BTFO'd by [REDACTED].

[valid pewter]

There’s some lore bits about Traxus requiring new hires to give up their physical bodies

[split fern]

exfil and go for terminals on Outpost

[split fern]

ohh i didnt get that far with dialogues with them

[split fern]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtUtDPvbh6ahiynYFVS7Z4O79Nw6y5PEOjweCpzWV_A/edit?tab=t.0 this to help you out there is whole doc made out of people from community to help with terminals

[ornate marsh]

Can I still activate the terminals even though people have already done that part? I just want to do it lol

[distant cradle]

woah, its actually kinda insane that this is just an open shared document, seems ripe for abuse by a troll

[split fern]

i dont think anyone can edit it beside of the doc admins no?

i personaly didnt try so idk 😄

[distant cradle]

I just changed a font size of one letter back and forth and it worked

and theres a million highlighted sections

so....

[split fern]

lol 😄

[rough marsh]

i've played through marathon classic and marathon 2 durandal, how does marathon infinite stack up to those both gameplay and story wise? i know the gist of the story, just wondering if its worth playing through?

[coral vale]

One would need to be a special kind of unemployed 4channer to do that

[earnest crag]

What is the red boss on cryo ??

[sleek flume]

somebody asked about lore yesterday, someone said you have alot to catch up on.... So I did... and they weren't kidding

[eternal shell]

you got 3 more marathons to play in addition to this one!

[distant cradle]

do you mean the s'pht compiler?

[distant cedar]

There is a ship in orbit

Equinimity

or so ive been told

[gentle barn]

Dear Durendal bless me with the password man i got work tomorrow

[trim grail]

Say, I have a kind of meta lore question. Spoilers for the end of Infinity, if you've been saving it. At the end, Durandal ||uses the Jjarro teleporters to rearrange the matter in the universe so that it, and he, can last forever.|| Do we know if they borrowed that from any particular, identifiable source? Like, was there a book that did that first, or something?

[crisp zealot]

Tried Equanimity, Durandal, Destiny, still no password luck

[crisp zealot]

Wait.. he did?

[gentle barn]

ive been typing so much my fingers hurt i dont know anymore

[crisp zealot]

I just wonder if there's anything we're missing... a clue to the password.

[distant cedar]

Its less going up to a recruiter and more being forced to sell your conciousness to pay back debt / avoid destitution

[visual lynx]

that’s not a standard reading of Infinity. what gives you that impression?

[rotund stump]

ouch

almost got a mida contract done solo until I got killed by a fellow ratting thief

how's the cardio people

[visual lynx]

they didn’t actually specify that in M1, and for decades everyone has assumed that because the secondary array was subluminal the first would have been too. it’s only the new game that suggests the first was FTL, but nothing in M1 actually contradicts that.

[terse wren]

What is the standard reading btw? I mean not that. But Big D’s “once I thought to” suggests that’s no longer his plan. Or that it failed long ago.

[lime karma]

Where can I get more info on fractions?

[terse wren]

When I first played infinity when it was actually new (dating myself) I interpreted that as Durandal’s being resigned to ending w the universe.

[visual lynx]

Leela said it would take 92, actually, and in the M2 Preview they said 94, even though it really would have been 12

[terse wren]

And that maybe it was actually the security officer who was the agent independent of all the universes.

Not god but like… embodied free will or something.

(Meta that D realized at the last that he was a character in a video game)

[jovial whale]

Really? I thought a Durandel terminal in M1 had:

We're going to see the galaxy on the Pfhor FTL drive.
I've always wanted to visit Beta Lyra and see if it's as beautiful as everyone insists.
You wouldn't believe this ship, the technology, the data... I wish
I could tell you more, as you have been so instrumental in our plans, but I fear that
Leela would worry.

[terse wren]

Whatever happened it’s pretty clear that his Escape / God plan changed or didn’t work out.

[lusty lake]

So.. I notice in a lot of modern timelines for Marathon that include ARG lore, they keep bringing up that toilets got blocked up. Why.. is this important to remark on?

[rotund stump]

it's the shadow people

or fungus

whichever of the 2

jokes aside there's like actual unregistered personnel that's allegedly living in the sewers scurrying into grates and hiding under the water treatment pools whenever they get spotted

and it's like...creepy as shit

think it was in the last grievance log

[lusty lake]

On Earth?

[rotund stump]

new cascadia

the perimeter tunnels I assume

[lusty lake]

But it happened on the Sekeguchi Towers, on EArth.

Or are we talking about two different things.

[rotund stump]

well I did say the final grievance log lol

not sure if that's what you're addressing

[lusty lake]

I'm talking about toilets.

[rotund stump]

ah

[lusty lake]

I've seen two timelines now that include ARG lore also include this bit about toilets getting backed up in Sekeguchi Towers and I don't understand why it's there.

My basic understanding is that it was a stunt to distract people over a purchase order of some sort.

[crisp zealot]

I think it was the purchase of the "P" models right?

[zenith void]

Does anyone remember about a year ago when we had the opportunity to get a DAC?

[eternal shell]

i got mine when i joined the server during the server slam

[zenith void]

I can't get mine pulled up from april of last year and im trying to input it into the cryo website

Where did you go to get it?/

[eternal shell]

oh #leaderboard and then click the dac button

[olive steppe]

Was there an index of any BOBs that were on board the Marathon?

[zenith void]

Found it, now it needs a password on the website

[eternal shell]

no idea about that one but hey now you got the dac at least

[zenith void]

I'm trying to find anything about it online haha i think this is newish

if you go into the cryo website you can click on index and then upload your DAC, it then asks for a password

[lusty lake]

Seems so but I don't understand why the toilet stunt is being remarked upon so succinctly in these timelines. It seems like a nonsequitor and not important to the overall narrative.

[surreal jackal]

You could try the file name without the DAC extension

Of the .png or whatever

[zenith void]

Didn't work, seems to just be random

[trim grail]

I'm going by memories of stuff I read on a console or a credit crawl 30 years ago, so maybe I'm misremembering. Durandal does talk about doing that, though, right?

[crisp zealot]

FUCK thought of a nother good option for the possible password. Tried Ozymandias. Nothing.

[visual lynx]

that seems to be a common interpretation, but another thing people typically read out of Infinity is that the merged Durandal-Thoth transcend time since the mysterious entity that appears at the end of Ne Cede Malis and in all the dream levels turns out to have the same stylings as the merged Durandal-Thoth, suggesting that they were guiding us to create them retrocausally. with that interpretation, I think that Durandal-Thoth isn’t consigned to die with the universe, nor determined to outlive it, but now have another option, being unconfined by time entirely, so time ending is no limit to him anymore. and implicitly this is “where” the Jjaro went too, since it’s their technology that enables this, and enables the SO’s powers too.

[crisp zealot]

I didnt think much about it at the time, but who would cause an event like that? Smells like MIDA to me. And if so, why exactly then? Qui bono

[visual lynx]

the closest I can think of in in M1 when Tycho says that he too realizes how the closure may be averted, though it may cost thousands of stars. nothing ever suggests either of them do that, though.

[terse wren]

Ahhhh

[zenith void]

I've been trying so many marathon related words and have been digging through the internet haha

[gloomy solstice]

Any revelance to the numbers in the actual image for when you click index?

[crisp zealot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-tWhiPLbpnZiT2rVh8SwHiyqTl7r71ePSnrwMUxDqBk/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0 This is a spreadsheet of passwords folks are trying

[visual lynx]

and I think the Durandal in nuMarathon is later in his personal timeline that the end of Infinity, having surveyed all of history to its very end and now reaching back to intervene at a critical juncture

[visual lynx]

I also would like a more thorough answer to this question. I gather that the toilet stunt was suspiciously timed which implies that it was a purposeful distraction of some kind but I’m unclear what exactly it enabled who to do and how.

[lusty lake]

Yeah. I just don't think it's worthy of remarking upon until we have more information, it kind of makes the timeline a little weird to read.

It's like.. ah, yes, big purchase order, okay.. clandestine action on earth.. and then the toilets got backed up.. huh..?

[fathom egret]

I don’t think durandel likes runners either cuz he has that line along the lines of “you are a hallow being”

[worn oasis]

do shells eat and all that or

[solid wasp]

hi - don't want to derail anything here, but noticed that Rook appears to have an ip on their head that matches a terminal from the original marathon? <9.42.857.10>

noticed it when i got downed; it's on the back left of the head. can't post an image here tho

[crisp zealot]

Hallow could also be interpreted as Hallowed or Holy

I actually think he seems to like us

[drowsy hare]

that i.p is for a website with audio files called marathon counterattack

[tiny kraken]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Public_Access_Terminal_(Blaspheme_Quarantine)

[drowsy hare]

maybe try some of the sound file words for the pasword, napalm,chicken etc

[west grail]

I can't express how incredibly lame it is to buy a simple skin costs $15 but you can only buy $10 or $20 packages like wtf the game was $40. Also I tested the ai and they definitely see you through most of the terrain and props. I'm not surprised but dang is it audacious. mmo levels of grift and the game just came out

[subtle oracle]

#1478943087957905550 and #🗣marathon-general-chat not here lmao

[mighty viper]

burger

[subtle oracle]

I wish julia was here
I wanna know the lions name

[real flame]

Is there an lfg channel, or do you do that here? Can’t find it

[latent python]

go to channels and roles and give yourself Runner

[clear fiber]

https://timeline.bumgie.org/ is it accurate?

it looks pretty tbh

[subtle oracle]

bumgie is a fan group that does stuff like this

why they made an arg rn is beyond me. super shitty imo

itd be different wny other time but when theres an active official bungie arg, it mixes everyone up

[bright nova]

I haven't done the arg stuff yet but based on what I've heard durandal say from the removals, is he planning on making his own runner shell? He seems very interested in the nature of them

[languid hawk]

was jasper the last one alive on tau ceti? when you pick up a blue anchorite bar u get a codex and its a audio log of a message of him asking someone to respawn cause he surviving off bugs

[surreal nacelle]

3 hours of no progress 😢 I dont even know where we begin to find the password

[prisma junco]

maybe the new short the channel released?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wtozGzOC3ng

maybe something to do with that

[surreal nacelle]

hmm

[prisma junco]

?

[surreal nacelle]

Just was thinking. Its possible

[wooden wyvern]

are durandal's dialogues still available on the maps?

[prisma junco]

just gotta confirm if those locations are in the maps or not

[wooden wyvern]

or do i have to find em on youtube

[eager mason]

yea they're all still there

[wooden wyvern]

bet

[sleek flume]

Is Dr. Clarissa Song Reed's gf?

no wait, they mentioned a wife, no?

Reed, the corrupt UESC soldier

[visual lynx]

look upon your works, ye runners, and despair:
nothing happens

[sleek flume]

what about Infinium?

or Master Chief /S

[chilly nimbus]

so, weird little thing.
unsure how many have gotten all the codes entries on "confiscated colonial folklore" but they're signed off in roman numerals.
x II III VII XII XXIV II
10.2.3.7.12.24.2
i think those are the numbers signed off at the bottom of them.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357190434522140763/1481125287209992276/image.png?ex=69b22cea&is=69b0db6a&hm=92477dead122dad516a44f05cc7fd9bfc92a508cca1ef95032d085142519c645&

not sure if it goes deeper than just a signoff, but it's interesting to me none the less.

[wicked hazel]

/dac

[solemn wasp]

I have my Masters in Digital Forensics; I wonder if I should chip in….

[wary merlin]

does anyone know where the marathon cinematics take place

like where is the destroyer cinematic

[vivid terrace]

Don’t quote me but I’m thinking dire marsh due to the artifact

ie anomalous matter

[finite nacelle]

Unless marsh has a a sandy outcroppings I don’t think it’s an available map

[vivid terrace]

Outpost has a beach actually but I think they’re talking about the short Shell cinematics that came out before release

[finite nacelle]

Where?

Also is there a connection between the ticks and the durandal flesh pit

[vivid terrace]

The beach for Outpost? If you look out to the horizon I’m pretty sure the terraformed scape where you can fall to your death out past the airway is sandy

Thought it lead to water but that could just be fog rollout

[sudden pollen]

Durandal gonna make the most overpowered busted broken-ass runner shell we done ever seen 😱

[deep solar]

“Runners allow me to introduce you to a shell of my own design: John Marathon”

[naive sage]

So I need some help clarifying something

If we are essentiallly playing biomata made from WEAVEworms

1.) how are we light years away on Earth connected to these machines wouldn’t there be a massive input delay and take years to do ANYTHING?

2.) how are there so many biomata in the Tau Ceti star system if this is fairly new tech made AFTER the Marathon launched on its journey?

[sudden pollen]

I think it's explicitly mentioned that there's FTL tech

if I remember from codex or somethin

[wind flicker]

Your brain is on the Marathon, the space station above Tau Ceti. So the input delay would be nonexistent afaik.

Or at least an uploaded version of it

I also think your digitized brain is uploaded to your shell each time, but stored on the Marathon above the planet

[naive sage]

The first experience humans had with FTL tech was when the pfhor attacked the Marathon

[wind flicker]

Ctrl c > Ctrl v type deal

[naive sage]

Interesting I didn’t know that part

I thought we were connected from Earth but also my 2nd point

How is there Biomata in the Tau Ceti system if Biomata wasn’t made until AFTER it launched lol

Unless I’m confusing something

[deep solar]

It seems to me like Humanity developed better FTL tech after the Marathon launched. So the UESC occupation force and the runners were able to arrive

[jade crane]

same way they get uesc too they launch them

also iam sure Traxus and the other factions help smuggle them planetside too

[deep solar]

CyberAcme developed wormhole technology that involves painting a wormhole on the side of a rock that the cyber roadrunner can run through but cyber Wile E Coyote smacks into it

[subtle oracle]

anyone in game lobby rn?

[restive steeple]

what information do we know about gabriel?

[subtle oracle]

Need a codex entry

and im at work

Most of you should have it, I wanna know what DCON stands for

[jade crane]

what codex entry is it?

[vale latch]

deconstruct

[serene mango]

Apologies if this was already explained, but what's up with the position of the Marathon and the moons(?) in the three maps? Are they moons? Is the larger one actually the planet, and the base is on the moon?
In Outpost the Marathon looks so much further away than the other two maps, but I'm guessing that's just perspective based on where we are at on the... Celestial body we are on.

[wind flicker]

In the cinematic they show the dataport where your conciousness is stored if I remember correctly

[icy trench]

lemme hear some lore

[wind inlet]

Would you peeps recommend that i check out the lore of the original marathon games before really digging into the codex entries here? I’m very eager to get reading, though i figured this would be good to ask.

[finite nacelle]

Play them

[icy trench]

this is the original bud💀

[finite nacelle]

They literally free

[wind inlet]

Yeah i was planning on it eventually

But im not sure if that’s necessary right now if i just wanna read some codex entries yknow

[finite nacelle]

Enjoy them

[zealous laurel]

There are a good couple lore channels that've popped up on youtube, and I say familiarzing yourself with like. ~The Vibe~ is always a good shout!

[wind inlet]

Noted

[stray thorn]

Wait fr? I thought there was others???

[wind inlet]

Thank you i hope i do!

[icy trench]

nah nah whatever you heard is just fake. this is fs the original game. only one ever made

[stray thorn]

Oh fr?

[icy trench]

yuh

[stray thorn]

I didnt know that

[icy trench]

yeah yeah lock in dude

[deep solar]

Sure it’s the original ||in this timeline||

[wind inlet]

Is this new iteration of Marathon a sort of reboot, or is the stuff that happened in the past games very much present here and relevant?

[zealous laurel]

There's also like a literal blog that's been running for decades that has the logs like. Listed out! https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[wind inlet]

Oh awesome, thanks

[icy trench]

its the original all together. there isnt any other game

[finite nacelle]

You can play the original in the new one

[wind inlet]

The main reason i’d wanna check out the older marathon games is bcoz i dont want any major gaps in my understanding of the world

[icy trench]

this is the orginal lock in

[stray thorn]

I thought there wasnt an og?

[finite nacelle]

Sorry? Gotta lock out tag out

[icy trench]

there isnt

[vestal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-cat-peace-solluminati-slowdown-gif-12491735774807202486

[wind inlet]

Yo whats up

🦦

[inland relic]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2398450/Classic_Marathon/

fyi.

[vestal ermine]

hello vro

[finite nacelle]

Sorry this heavy machinery is out of commission, Im off to lunch

[inland relic]

easiest way to play.

[wind inlet]

How lengthy are these games?

[vestal ermine]

not too long but the secrets and some lore tabs can be a pain

[wind inlet]

[wind inlet]

I figured

[jade crane]

can i get the dac link again

[stray thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-left-the-dog-was-home-your-father-your-mother-ai-dog-ai-dance-gif-2332529606446414204

It wont send 🙁

[wind inlet]

U think i’d have like, gaps in my understanding of the world if i didn’t peep them? Like im unsure how relevant they are to the current marathon, how much is canon here. Idk how to approach this really

I wanna just dive deep into the codex entries in this game

But idk if i should if i haven’t played the originals yet yk

[vestal ermine]

i dont think so, but you would have a real cool outlook on the game n the new shit they are cooking up

id say do it if oyu want to

[wind inlet]

Gotcha

[wind inlet]

U don’t think so in regards to me having big gaps in my understanding?

[vestal ermine]

ye

[wind inlet]

Gotcha

[vestal ermine]

id say just do it

[wind inlet]

Im gonna read some of the codex entries in this game

First

But i’ll def get to those games too

I just wanna sink my teeth into this badly lmao

[zealous laurel]

So valid 🤣

[jade crane]

someone figured out the dac password

[zealous laurel]

It's a wild ride - and like. Knowledge of the lore helps to inform some of the Easter eggs/more esoteric parts of the trailers and stuff

[gilded acorn]

Each DAC has a number each DAC is part of the password it uses metadata to hold one part of the password

the DAC image i was given i decoded and the password uses Base64 characters like
0-9
A-Z
a-z
so for example a password can look like this A9k3F2qL Each DAC has a small part of this meta data/ decomplie data and we need to start posting them online on a subreddit forum or twitter or have a channel in this server for DAC images

The system also says this "Share it and be forgotten" its trying to make us not share it so we keep marathon away its the AI trying to stop us but thats the thing we cant listen to the AI

[wind inlet]

What would your answer to this be JustJason?

Curious since you seem knowledgeable

[wind inlet]

Ohhh i see

I really didn’t expect the world to be so compelling .. i always thought it looked pretty but im so invested in the setting already by the little i know

[zealous laurel]

Same thing happened to a gaggle of my friends and now most are running bananas out here 🤣

[wind inlet]

Lmao

[zealous laurel]

I don't think you'd have gaps, necessarily! The game does a good job of keeping the mysterious/alien elements clearly as a "What is Going On Here" kinda situation even for the old heads, while simultaneously delivering story beats that are broadly digestible for every level of player! From the people immersed in the lore to the folks in it for the vibes

[gilded acorn]

This is almost certainly the DAC ID.

Many players are getting different numbered cards (01, 02, 03, etc.).
These are probably combined later to form a code.

Each corner of the orange square has 4 black dots.
Total: 4 clusters × 4 dots = 16

There are 4 purple squares (one in each corner).
That usually represents network nodes or endpoints in hacking-style ARGs.
This might represent: 16-bit key, hexadecimal grouping, binary segments

Example representation: 1111 1111 1111 1111 or FFFF

The pink square with a + symbol usually means: merge / combine Meaning multiple DAC cards must be combined.

There are 4 gray nodes surrounding the center.
That strongly suggests: 4 inputs required

Your card alone does not contain the password.
instead it probably works like this: DAC 01
DAC 02
DAC 03
DAC 04

[wind inlet]

Thanks alot for such a insightful response!

Its really helpful

[zealous laurel]

Anytime!

[viscid kelp]

Ok this is a noob question for lore folks. Marathon ship is deserted right? And the planet is hostile. So where are the runners getting “beamed” in from?

[wind flicker]

What if my DAC has X on the four corners of a neon square with rounded edges?

[wind flicker]

Your consciousness is kept on a databank on the Marathon ship afaik.

[river prairie]

all dacs are 01

with the exception of the master dac which is 99

[gilded acorn]

really? surely there not all the same type of image

or look all the same

[jade crane]

my dac is definitely 01 so

[reef gale]

have muiltiple people saying different numebrs

[zealous laurel]

Uhhhh wizard magic

[gilded acorn]

why would they make the images only to your discord user you can see

[river prairie]

they dont all look the same but the 01 is the dac level

[river prairie]

ill believe it when i see it

[queen drum]

My dac is 03

[pastel ice]

my dac has a 3

[gilded acorn]

the system also says "urrender it and surrender yourself. Share it and be forgotten."

[jade crane]

okay so we know there is diffrent numbers

[river prairie]

post it

🤔

[gilded acorn]

surely the AI doesnt want us to share them so solve the puzzle

[hasty rain]

Hope they canonize mpreg emoji soon

[gilded acorn]

We should start posting the DAC images on reddit or if we can get a channel made for sharing here that would be cool

[jade crane]

dont share your dac yet

[gilded acorn]

if theres other DACS with other numbers that has to be the way to figure out the password if its a base64 code

we decrypt each DAC into the codes to get the parts we need then combine all the parts we have in order

[river prairie]

oh wait

[gilded acorn]

and thats the password

has to be

[river prairie]

i just generated a new dac and its 03

ok im sorry for doubting you

OOPS

[gilded acorn]

SEE

[viscid kelp]

@wind flicker Ah ok, interesting. So the corporation AIs and the equipment that makes the runner shells is also aboard the Marathon?

[reef gale]

lets run with this

[gilded acorn]

IM GONNA GET THIS PASSSWORD

[livid lion]

FTL spacecraft built by Traxus, sent from the solar system in 2888/9, arriving 2893. You can read the pins for info on the first ARG where this was revealed.

[wind flicker]

That is the impression I received

[gilded acorn]

DM me your DAC i have DAC 1

[terse wren]

Durandal will return, pregnant with Tycho’s baby

[zealous laurel]

Unsolicited DAC pics is this anything

[gilded acorn]

I NEED ALL THE DAC PICS

[jade crane]

someone with dac 02 and dac 04?

[pastel ice]

actually they're solicited

[zealous laurel]

You know what fair point

[viscid kelp]

@livid lion Oh ok a second ship was sent later? But I guess it only has AI and runner shells onboard?

[gilded acorn]

i will legit stay up all night decoding this

i need every dac

[jade crane]

ill try and help best i can

[pastel ice]

what exactly are you doing to them to "decode" them?

[gilded acorn]

reverse enginer them

i know how there made

i can just back track

[pastel ice]

oh i see

[gilded acorn]

This is how there made

[deep solar]

You know I was just thinking, what are the murder tentacles from the bots when you’re downed for? Are they just murder tentacles? Do we know? I don’t recall any mention of them in the UESC codex entries

[livid lion]

The shells get manufactured on demand. It has our consciousnesses and all the needed equipment. The AIs we talk to in the game are in the solar system.

[gilded acorn]

OH I FOUND MORE

NOT EVERY NUMBER DAC IS THE SAME

[viscid kelp]

@livid lion Ok gotcha, thanks!

[gilded acorn]

I HAVE 2 DACS NUMBERED 3

SO maybe we combine the 3 dacs with the 3 dacs to get the password

and 1 with 1s

there hass to be multiple passwords

multiple hacking nodes

[stable karma]

What should I do if I can’t interact?

[hasty rain]

They try to suck your conciousness through those, presumably to virtually arrest you, debrief you and torture you/delete you when they can't get anything else from you

[zealous laurel]

"Hey Steve why do our robots have murder tentacles"

"Oh, so they can upload runners to the Torment Nexus"

"Cool, cool... Hey Steve, follow up question-"

[jade crane]

they are say the dacs numbers are for the dacs level

[visual lynx]

why did I go looking in #🗣marathon-general-chat

that place is a shitshow even now that the spamposting has stopped

[subtle oracle]

its

rough

i like playing around in there when at work or nothing lore or arg wise is moving

[jade crane]

yeah rough night for sure

[fierce mountain]

Have we figured out the password yet?

[scenic summit]

There's a password? Can we just brute force it?

Sorry, not up to date

[fierce mountain]

Long story short we discovered a website with cameras in the marathon and in one of them you can enter in a password

[gilded acorn]

The set of numbers

in the website

02 184 124 073 124

spells BRDLDGCLD

[scenic summit]

What's the website?

[gilded acorn]

https://cryoarchive.systems/indx

[fierce mountain]

Was that the password?

[scenic summit]

Thank you

[gilded acorn]

nope

the numbers mean smth

[sudden pollen]

Damn that monochrome background looks so good on the site

[scenic summit]

My DAC expired I guess. I just assumed it would be available indefinitely in my discord messages.

[gilded acorn]

they wouldnt put them on the page if they dont

[scenic summit]

The token for the image location is broken now

[gilded acorn]

no go to the image thing make a new one

[pure igloo]

Has the password been discovered yet?

[gilded acorn]

no

[fierce mountain]

Maybe it means…. Second game, level 13 for the 184.

[rugged raft]

What is the use of coded language on the website?

[scenic summit]

Do you mean hearoursilence.com/zine ?

Probably not is my guess

[fierce mountain]

I did a chat gpt and it inserted vowels into in and said to try Burriedgold…. lol

[crimson oriole]

hey guys

[timber bear]

I have a theory that Nona is starting to go rampant

[crimson oriole]

everyone used their dac scan screenshot atp right?

[scenic summit]

type /dac in new noise right ok

[crimson oriole]

bet

[scenic summit]

Ok so its a website with a short timer after every failed input. Brute force solution would take probably too long.

Character display for the password seems unrelated to character input and random

In the html I'm seeing a "next-route-announcer" so idk if its going to be audio based

the mida website had surprise audio

I suppose you could open parallel tabs with this website and brute force it using separate instances of the password if you write a program to

Going through the HTML at the moment

[visual lynx]

Five Nights at Durandal's?

[scenic summit]

kinda

[light light]

Could someone explain the moth to me please

[rugged raft]

We are looking for the password correct?

[visual lynx]

bodies are made by worms. worms are baby moths.

[light light]

Oh ok

[visual lynx]

thematically also pairs well with mushrooms for kinda gross creepy dank living things

[scenic summit]

Yes

[rugged raft]

Each dac seems to have a unique random aplhamumeric name of the same format, there are coded languages docs in the media file of the website. When pressing a key in the password input it corresponds to symbol from the coded language

Maybe each person needs to inout their dac name translated into the coded langauge?

[scenic summit]

If its coded when you press a button in the password bar it would have to be a homophonic nomenclator or something. I'm guessing its random.

Basically we would need a ciphertext or a key or something if its a code (and I wasn't seeing anything consistent)

[twin trout]

misread homophonic X3

[scenic summit]

A homophonic nomenclator is if multiple symbols or numbers are mapped to one character. Some entries can be blank.

so

00 - A
01 - A
02 - B
03 - [blank]
04 - C
05 - C

so the sequence 00 02 05 would be "ABC"

I don't think that's what we're seeing

This helps defeat statistical analysis of ciphertexts, if it were just one mapped to one then you can look at the ciphertext with the english alphabet or some other language and come up with a distribution

[calm snow]

who is orion? theres audio logs of him in the lore discussing stuff about the colony so im assuming he was there with everyone on TCIV?

[scenic summit]

Orion is the UESC rep

[calm snow]

well yeah but it seems like hes been there from the start

[scenic summit]

The scroll bar at the bottom reads "System Responding 751Y 03M 26D 05H 28M 50S" ...and counting

idk what the deal with that is, some kind of 750 year ish countdown

[subtle oracle]

just counts to 7/7/2777

[outer breach]

Is there anyone whose saving all the cutscenes from the missions

[drowsy hare]

i just inspected the password page and there is a cypher

looks like alien text with another element that tells you what each symbol is

[opaque mural]

if the marathon was a combination of all the major factions working together how come theres only nucaloric branding on everything lol

[subtle oracle]

where

[drowsy hare]

when you inspect the webpage element and tab into sources go down to media and its in 2 folders there titled (codelanguage /PPFration monologue

[drowsy hare]

ill send you a screenshot

[subtle oracle]

send it in #breach-protocol

[coral vale]

Well cyac doesn't exactly produce physical goods

[opaque mural]

but like what about traxus no?

shouldn't most of the stuff have traxus branding since they're the ones that are known for building stuff

[twin trout]

the marathon itself has traxus branding on it :3

I think NuCal's stuff being so prevalent is due to the sheer necessity of foodstuffs as the colony was setting up to become self sufficient

[elfin ermine]

because nucaloric is the corp that built alot of structures

[glad root]

NuCal is just the space version of McDonalds

[elfin ermine]

traxus and arachne dont produce anything, sekgen have logos on their products

[glad root]

Arachne just wants you to throw hands

[elfin ermine]

mida typo shi

[devout relic]

the 0 is an O so it could be ORDLDGCLD

[glad root]

Mida too but Mida is a terrorist organization so

[elfin ermine]

i wanted to play the classic marathon so bad but tf is that camera movement

[elfin ermine]

so aint arachne

[glad root]

OG Marathon was a DOOM Clone

relic of its time but its alot of fun

[lyric arrow]

Not the place to post it here, but if you're playing Marathon and need help just message me.

[elfin ermine]

the 3d like rendering makes me dizzy idk why

i tried changing every control and camera setting

installed mods and etc

[glad root]

its technical limitations, if they coulda made it 3d they wouldve

[uneven shell]

so Runners are basically humans who have had their consciousness digitized, right

[elfin ermine]

ye but id rather get a 2d game with a completely stable gameplay and map orientation

[elfin ermine]

yep

[uneven shell]

and presumably they're like in a server rack in a data center somewhere

[visual lynx]

the modern Aleph One version of Classic Marathon that anyone would be playing today does have "true 3d" rendering now

[uneven shell]

do we know where?

[hasty tinsel]

is marathon 2026 set in the 7th timeline of marathon infinite?

[elfin ermine]

thats what i thought

[uneven shell]

and where are our vaults, and where are the shells teleporting to on exfil?

[glad root]

the person is killed but their brain is digitized into an AI. If you've ever played Cyberpunk its literally Soulkiller. Your conscious can be transferred from shell to shell.

[visual lynx]

it's optional/togglable though and I'm not sure what the current default is

[elfin ermine]

i thought the soul is alive in marathon universe

bruh why soulkillers ruin every game

[glad root]

i think Marathon 2026 picks up after Marathon 2 because Marathon 3 is really weird

[visual lynx]

I think they've been aiming to make the defaults as close to the original as possible in recent years so it probably defaults to the classic pseudo-3D rendering style nowadays

[elfin ermine]

and its the most uncomfortable thing about the game

[elfin ermine]

durandal is a spectator or a god in marathon 2026

[glad root]

thats more philosophical and given bungie's tendancy to really lean into mythology and philosophy with their stories, it wouldnt surprise me if it was a real thing

[visual lynx]

it's definitely not in the Marathon 2 timeline, and seems thus far most likely to be in the final timeline of Infinity. (there was no Marathon 3, that project was cancelled)

[hasty tinsel]

so the wrkncacnter is out there?

[uneven shell]

yup and Ghost in the Shell (heh). So presumably they're like in a server rack in a data center somewhere. Do we know where? And where their vaults are and where the shells are teleporting to when they extract?

[glad root]

he's Cortana if things went her way

[subtle oracle]

least obvious UESC plant

[glad root]

im just here for your light ammo man

idc about much else

[visual lynx]

this presumes there was ever such a thing as a soul to live or die in the first place

[elfin ermine]

cyac

[elfin ermine]

soul is self awareness, ur just a robot copying ur behaciour if u have no soul

[subtle oracle]

this is the leading theory

[elfin ermine]

thats why Jonny technically doesnt exist

[uneven shell]

yeah are they in orbit around Tau Ceti? Or using FTL communication from earth/mars or something

[visual lynx]

this presumes that philosophical zombies are metaphysically possible, which is highly contentious

[glad root]

i was using Cyberpunk as a reference man 😭

[elfin ermine]

me too

[hasty tinsel]

what enabled the marine to go thru timelines?

[elfin ermine]

why wont cyac sent ai runners atp

[visual lynx]

Jjaro underpants

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/Jjaro_Boxers_origin.html

[glad root]

AI doesnt tend to intentionally take the "fuck it we ball" route

[subtle oracle]

I cant remember myself but thats irrelevant to why its suggested we're in the 7th timeline. the suggestion we're in that one is bc the universe didnt get W'rked

[hasty tinsel]

is our boy still alive😔

[visual lynx]

it appears that he is incapable of truly dying, so probably?

[subtle oracle]

then theyd be the uesc. its bc runners act on human intelligence and instinct vs an ai who simply executes a command. they need our expertise and "humanness". also its bc Cerberus (UESC bot ai) could probably take over any cyac ai they send

[subtle oracle]

if he shows up he either needs to be a boss or if hes an ally, he can never talk

he should simply aura farm as our ally

[visual lynx]

imagine some kind of season-ending event with an enemy force that no whole army of runners could imagine stopping but they have to try anyway, everyone is gathered together on the server to fight off some doom that threatens the entire universe, getting their asses absolutely kicked with no apparent hope of victory and then some silent rando in Destroyer armor just runs through, slaughters the bad guys, and teleports out.

"…wtf?"

[subtle oracle]

Durandal is like "oh yeah that was my guy"

[scenic summit]

At least he's got chicken

[visual lynx]

-# John Marathon will return in

Marathon

season 2

[subtle oracle]

I genuinely think durandal after Infinity truly thinks of the security officer as almost a friend

as much as he would ever consider someone one at least

[hasty tinsel]

are the corpses of the other marines on any of the maps?

[neon rover]

Guys, im bere because of Reddit

[visual lynx]

he does call him "old friend. or, friend of a friend, I should say." in the final timeline.

[subtle oracle]

nah all the marines were on the marathon

[neon rover]

Were dk i get a DAC

And whats it for?

[scenic summit]

Type /dac in new-noise

[visual lynx]

marines?

[hasty tinsel]

oh i thought they got deployed and slaughter on tau in the 2nd game

[scenic summit]

and, its for the ARG

[neon rover]

Thx

[subtle oracle]

DO NOT SHARE IT

[neon rover]

Got it

[subtle oracle]

idk why but thats the gist is dont share it

[subtle oracle]

m2 isnt canon

[hasty tinsel]

oh

welp

[neon rover]

Im in on most of the ARG, but seems like a bunch happened while i was asleep

[subtle oracle]

yeah the lead running theory is m1 and the 7th timeline (like 8-11 missions in M:Infinity depending how you look at it) happened

[visual lynx]

do you mean the other nine cyborgs?

in the final Infinity timeline they were taken captive and "translated to Pfhor slave tanks" and not all of them survived.

implying that some others are out there, in Pfhor service like the SO was in the start of that timeline in Infinity

[neon rover]

That doesnt work for me

[scenic summit]

I got a message that displayed that only I could see it after putting in /dac in the chat. It said it was using the dac command or something.

[subtle oracle]

get the "runner" role

and then go #leaderboard and click dac

[neon rover]

How? I hardly use discord and csnt remember

[subtle oracle]

top of the channel bar should say channel and roles. at least on mobile

[neon rover]

I think i did thathat

[hasty tinsel]

insofar as marathon 2 is a failed timeline or is it just retconned out of the lore

[neon rover]

I finished the entry steo things, it tood me to get a dac, but the command wont worwork

[shell needle]

If we do hear durandel’s voice in game, I hope it’s like an older style text to speech program. Where it sounds kind of crunchy because it’s just making letter sounds.
Durandel isn’t beyond emotion but he desperately wishes he was, so he’d go to an inhuman voice.

[neon rover]

were do I enter the DAC?

[visual lynx]

you have heard Durandal in game already, he's Ben Starr

[digital plaza]

Sekiguchi Genetics | Audio Logs (All contracts)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLarkPnT8-qRezRoUKr9WVOo3V_0tdIgKb

Shrink-Wrapped Bonsai Tree | Audio Log 2
https://youtu.be/7WKLbU1BP6Q

Survey Drone Cartridge | Audio Log
https://youtu.be/03Y2x3NilkI

[echo talon]

So question. Probably a dumb question in some folks eyes, but I'm gonna ask anyways. Is there any lore concerning who the runners are? Like before just being a conciousness without physical bodies.

That cinematic trailer had me curious because the Vandal can recognize their mom but not themselves

[digital plaza]

Only runner that got some kind of backstory is Orion

[sage lark]

That cinematic was before they decided that runners arent the shells themselves but us as players

us - the digital brains

so far it has no deeper meaning besides maybe referring to the transitions between shell and server where some memory loss might occur

[sweet sable]

https://youtu.be/yu7uN6-lNhk?si=HUeewTzhOSwGrJeR This is a great video that explains most of the lore leading up to where we are now. 15 minutes and it reeled me into the story of the world as someone who is new to it

[digital plaza]

Cinematic can also just be interpreted as a random story about some random runners

[sage lark]

yeah that too

[echo talon]

Interesting 🤔

I been waiting on Arachne story but it was that one contract and than nothing.

[sage lark]

they might get expanded later on

you get some cutscenes when you progress through the ranks

[digital plaza]

Maybe with cryo archive they will add some, or in mid April

[echo talon]

I'll focus on Mama Nonas' contracts then

[buoyant ice]

Did someone find out about indx?

[shadow umbra]

i really hope that the pfhor will replace uesc bots on maps for pve

like new maps, would be insane

[sage lark]

idk about pfhor but we will get new enemy types possibly

[forest gate]

Not sure if this the right channel to ask this anyone know some good marathon lore content creators?

[digital plaza]

Jake the alright, My name is Byf

[forest gate]

Byf’s gets a bit too ponderous to listen to imo. I’ve seen Jake’s stuff I like that.

Thanks for the recommendation

[lyric token]

I pinched Nona’s chubby cheeks

[thick patio]

Mandalore's videos on the original Marathon games are solid as well

[sage lark]

HiddenXperia aswell

[serene ether]

anyone know if the vocalization patterns mentioned in codex is referring to just the sound of our voice or actual phrases we say? Like does the vocalization patterns "talk" for us, or do runners actually hsave the ability to talk through their shells?

[pliant granite]

Do we know of any lore happenings from 762 years before the events of Marathon 2026?

[visual lynx]

that would be 2131. I'm not aware of anything from that year.

[subtle oracle]

the countdown changed to 751 to be 7/7/2777

[pliant granite]

Yes I was thinking there is a certain significance to the original time that it was set at

[frosty kayak]

I think all thats confirmed is the 1994 pathways to darkness has a wcan.. bitch sleeping under a pyramid. Then it time skips to the inter asteroid war that made the marines then time skips to the marathon being built. And then you get the original marathon games. I dont think theres any inbetween lore yet

[pliant granite]

Of course I would be inclined to believe that all sudden changes also have significance

[gray sluice]

No one is completely sure PiD is canon

[frosty kayak]

It directly has the phfor and the wcanca.. id be hardpressed to not believe its in the timeline

[gray sluice]

And traxus is in halo

[frosty kayak]

And mida is in destiny

[gray sluice]

Mjonir shares the same name as the master chief armour

Etc

[visual lynx]

not pfhor, jjaro

[frosty kayak]

Thanks

My bad

[gray sluice]

Doesn't mean we gonna be seeing han solo popping in saying "buy destiny renegades" before he wipes out the S'phit

Bungie just has a running theme of sharing ideas across ips

PiD is unlikely to be canon through this thinking but you never know ig

[frosty kayak]

Its too direct. Usually theyre a bit more subtle. Like chief getting rezzed but chosing to remain in cryo is a lore page. Or the mida multi tool accidentally hopping timelines/universes.

[visual lynx]

the PiD-Marathon connection is much tighter than any other inter-game connections

Halo has Marathon references in it because it began development as a Marathon sequel

[gray sluice]

Even traxus and halo? The company literally is the complete same

[abstract sphinx]

Is it essential to know the lore of the older title? Is it even the same universe is this a sequel or a reimagining

[visual lynx]

it wasn't even a company in classic Marathon

Traxus being a company is a Halo invention

[gray sluice]

Was founded in 1994 tho

[visual lynx]

and Destiny apparently lives in a multiverse where stuff from completely other fictional universes can fall through, so that doesn't mean anything anymore

[visual lynx]

Bungie claim that everything that happened in the original games is canon to the new one

but you probably won't need to know the classic lore and might get a more "unspoiled" experience if you done

(but studies show people actually enjoy media more when it's "spoiled" for them, so study the classic lore and eagerly anticipate the upcoming twists when you see them coming)

[frosty kayak]

Marathon infinity opens millions of timelines/ exo stranger jumps timelines too.

Traxus in halo is explained away through that probably. Halo was meant to be a sequel, that got scraped but its most likely via bungieverse a timeline. Halo is before marathon in the chronology by a good 250ish years

[gray sluice]

Yet Vulcan IV was referenced

[gray sluice]

Wait they said that?

[abstract sphinx]

I just wanna know what that big guy on the front is, also all the marathon armor in destiny looks nothing like anything in this game where is the xenomorph

Is it all on cryo?

[frosty kayak]

Again. Just a different timeline of the same universe. Same things exist but most things are wildly different. Some events happen in both.

They also said master chief and the marine are thr same character. Literally the same.

They fully intended halo to sequel (rather prequel marathon) and then made it a seperate IP

[gray sluice]

When did they say that

[frosty kayak]

Lemme source it one sec

[gray sluice]

They said they're both silent protagonists

Ts like saying the security officer is doomguy

[abstract sphinx]

Can someone clue me in on the conversation I’m curious

[hardy dirge]

so what names would be given to the maps if they had names like classic marathon?

[gray sluice]

Also.. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/QVH0J

[visual lynx]

yes, in a vidoc IIRC

[frosty kayak]

I never claimed halo and marathon are in the same timeline - said it was meant to be a prequel and got scrapped.

[gray sluice]

So your theory is a nothingburger

[visual lynx]

Alex said SO and MC were the same character, after he was no longer with Bungie. Because when he had still been with Bungie, that had been true.

It was a sequel not a prequel though (the dates were one of the first clues that it was now in a different universe).

[frosty kayak]

I was talking abour pathways into darkness 😂

A 1994 gamw

[visual lynx]

*1993

[gray sluice]

*1993

[visual lynx]

but yeah the time between release is an important factor

Marathon and PiD are separated by one year

[abstract sphinx]

What is PiD

[visual lynx]

Marathon Infinity and Halo by five years

Destiny by many more from either

[frosty kayak]

Yeah vastly seperated

[visual lynx]

Pathways into Darkness, the game Bungie made immediately before the original Marathon

[gray sluice]

I'm not saying PiD is 100% not canon I'm saying we should stop treating it like a given

[frosty kayak]

Thats fair

Until confirmed thats fair

[gray sluice]

I really wish Julia nardin would tell us

[visual lynx]

I think that until there is reason to think Marathon and PiD are not in the same universe, it's safe to proceed as though they are.

Halo and Destiny would at the very least require a branching multiverse to reconcile, because there are direct contradictions to any Marathon timeline in each of them.

but PiD and Marathon just sit comfortably in the same timeline.

[frosty kayak]

Sequel as in came after but prequel as in - in game chronology halo takes place a few hundred years before marathon. But it doesnt matter since it was scrapped as either and is its own ip

[visual lynx]

no I mean it was originally set in a later date. the Covenant were the remains of the Pfhor empire after it had been sacked, regrouping for revenge. That's why the MC was their "Demon" -- he was the SO who had destroyed their empire.

[gray sluice]

Same logic as saying project hail Mary is canon to marathon but alr

[frosty kayak]

Ah! All that I read set it prior to marathon!

Then again my reading comp is 0

[gray sluice]

I agree the direct referencing the wrk and jjaro is pretty decent cause, it's just not enough for me tbh

[visual lynx]

when it first came out that Halo was now set in the 26th century, that was the first sign that it was no longer set in the Marathon universe

[abstract sphinx]

I did a little research and I agree with B.org here, marathon reintroduces a race from PiD, that’s pretty concrete to me, every other thing that’s been mentioned thus far is in my opinion little more than Easter eggs

[sullen sedge]

Like some kind of… pre-sequel

[frosty kayak]

Bungie retconning the retcon

[bitter charm]

There's traxus crates in halo

[visual lynx]

is Project Hail Mary a Bungie product produced within one year of the Marathon games and sharing alien races with the same unique original names?

[gray sluice]

Until you realize Bungie reintroduces things all around their ips

[gray sluice]

Yeah but no one's proved me wrong and it'd fit in the timeline

[abstract sphinx]

Ok? And master chief appears in destiny twice, it’s an Easter egg

[gray sluice]

I just can't agree with your logic

[gray sluice]

Mjonir is also the designation of battleroids

[abstract sphinx]

A name is a name and shows no correlation to the armor from halo besides its name.

[gray sluice]

Same could be said about the species

[twin trout]

they're references

[gray sluice]

All we know is both iterations are better than humans

[visual lynx]

my point is there's an asymmetry in your comparison

there are reasons to think PiD and Marathon are likely in the same universe and no reasons yet to think they are not

there's no particular reason to think PHM and Marathon are likely in the same universe, even though there's also no reasons yet to think they are not

meanwhile there are reasons to think Halo and Destiny are not in the same universe as Marathon, despite some reasons you might think they were

PiD and Marathon: connections without contradictions

Halo or Destiny and Marathon: connections but also contradictions

PHM and Marathon: no connections or contradictions

(I'm taking your word on the no contradictions for PHM and Marathon, as I have no idea what that is)

[sage lark]

Sci fi book

[abstract sphinx]

The many many contradictions for halo and destiny at least vastly outweigh the few

Connections

[gray sluice]

Could change the topic to sunshine instead of PHM if you've watched it

[sullen sedge]

Technically depending on when the timeline diverges, Halo and Marathon exist in Destiny, Destiny also exists in Destiny.

Me not playing Marathon happens in Destiny

[frosty kayak]

Guys. Not one of us is arguing that destiny or halo are in the same universe

[abstract sphinx]

Not how timelines work

[frosty kayak]

Ffs Byf read lore that directly quoted marathons wkcan when oryx spoke to the dark

[gray sluice]

ish

[frosty kayak]

Waves are the battles and the battles are the waves is a direct marathon quote

[abstract sphinx]

Not ish, can’t create something that isn’t possible with any amount of time

[frosty kayak]

Doesnt make the darkness the wkcanter

[sullen sedge]

If Kennedy getting shot is Canon in Destiny, me being broke and waiting for server maintenance happens in Destiny /s

[frosty kayak]

How did this become about destiny

😂

[gray sluice]

I mean.... Ish

[frosty kayak]

Can we blame the nine and leave it at that

[drowsy hare]

the scrolling message at the bottom of the pasword screen has anyone tried converting the sets of symbols into there letter/numbers and using that for the p/w

[abstract sphinx]

Explain why ish

[gray sluice]

Timelines are based on changes things did in time. Thus why they are different eg: one species didn't evolve in the same way or a species didn't die. If we said anything could be changed in timelines through choices it is technically feasible that anything could be changed

[abstract sphinx]

Yes anything that is possible can happen, but in the universe of marathon they don’t have the darkness or the traveler and need will, so even with infinite time the events of destiny will never transpire

[gray sluice]

ish

[sullen sedge]

I was talking about the Macintosh release of Marathon existing on Destiny…

[gray sluice]

We don't understand the light and darkness' existence in physics

So we can't tell how it works

[abstract sphinx]

I’m just talking about how time manipulation would work not your comment specifically, sorry if you though I was coming at you

[abstract sphinx]

Right but we do know it’s not in marathon so it won’t ever be in marathon

[gray sluice]

Well yeah

[subtle oracle]

atp neither does bungie

[gray sluice]

But ur on about alternate timelines

[abstract sphinx]

So no matter how much time we give marathon

[abstract sphinx]

Yes alternate timelines only have alternatives that are possible for the universe they are in

[gray sluice]

But the universe can vastly change if there's irregularities

[abstract sphinx]

No it can’t

[subtle oracle]

Until we get Bungie Fighters

chief vs security guard vs shaxx

[frosty kayak]

They retcon their own retcons. 😂

[gray sluice]

D2 lore is so convoluted 😭

[subtle oracle]

they just abandoned the story to chase the nine and like come on

and star wars shit

[frosty kayak]

Hey

Offended.

😂

[sullen sedge]

Is it still canon that graviton lance was what killed Kennedy

[gray sluice]

Anything for that Disney bag

[subtle oracle]

look the nine are interesting but like we havent heard any intersting winnower/gardener info in a long time

[abstract sphinx]

That’s not how it works, the universe is the universe, if something could exist it was always possible and thus was always a possible outcome, no matter how convoluted it would seem you can’t change a universe because by definition anything that happens in it was already possible

[subtle oracle]

and the traveler is still just Like That

anyway

not the server for d2

[gray sluice]

Man you need to learn about quantum mechanics

[subtle oracle]

just aggravated ab post TFS direction

[frosty kayak]

There was a direction?

Bungie was scrapping by on narrative reaches hoping to keep destiny alive. But they went the wrong way. We shouldve gotten xivu

[abstract sphinx]

I think you have a fantastical view on it and that’s fine, quantum mechanics doesn’t turn the impossible possible.

[gray sluice]

Hehe sure bud

[valid gull]

you guys find any marathon keys yet (for cryo archive)

[shrewd yoke]

ye, 1, 3, and 5

[cerulean egret]

Do anybody know the history of NuCaloric? I cannot find any info on internet

[drifting mulch]

SEO has gotten so bad post AI that I can’t find anything about Marathon 2026 online. I get links to running marathons

[nocturne estuary]

They’re relaying it ingame slowly so I think people need some time to catch up

The gist is that they rose up as the dominant agricultural force after a famine and supplied a lot of resources to the Marathon expedition.

Think if Monsanto monopolized the food and drug industry even more than they already have

[sage lark]

do marathon 2026 bungie

they are space nestle

basically

[coral vale]

The 28 billions people fed line in the intro of Nucaloric carry the implicit threat they can make 28 billions people starve to death

[gray sluice]

I mean could just be flexing their sales

No indication in the lore that humanity is dependent on them

Apart from maybe mars

[subtle oracle]

i mean nucal rose to fame bc everyone was starving

[gray sluice]

I interpret that as mars was starving

In lore earth looks to be bussin

Explains why mostly martians went on the marathon

[visual lynx]

there's a log recoverable in the new game about how Earth and Mars both suffered famines (due to a fungal infection of crops, no less!) that nuCal saved them from

[subtle oracle]

watershed famine

[real brook]

is there any lore reason why there are fireworks every time heat rain is starting? given the frequency, thats a lot of fireworks they use.

[gray sluice]

Didn't know that

Cool

Sounds like a Soylent green type situation

[lilac spoke]

those 'fireworks' start/is the heat rain
it shoots smth up which drizzles back down as the heat rain

but why that happens idk either

[real brook]

oh, i thought it was like a warning, good to know. I should have ask myself what's the heat rain in the first place.

Thanks

[twin trout]

wasn't it stated somewhere that the heat cascade is the result of a faulty cloud seeding system

[lilac spoke]

Might be an interesting theory if it's not explained anywhere

That the stuff that shoots up is meant to enrich the clouds/atmosphere in some way but it just-

Doesn't

[subtle oracle]

its failed cloud seeding. basically they try to stop/start rain and it fsils and just rains the exploded "seeds" down

[serene ether]

Can Runners actually speak through their shells or are the shells programmed to speak for them?

[twin trout]

yeah in the map's description when you're picking what map you play it says "degraded cloud-seeding tech periodically covers the area with hazardous rain"

[candid otter]

What if there was a super rare backpack that was the Cedar Box from Pathways

[visual lynx]

what if you put the Demon Vial inside the Cedar Box

[rapid salmon]

did we figure out the password yet?

[visual lynx]

it's ******** but that's just going to show as eight asterisks on your end if your DAC doesn't already show that you've figured it out yourself

[twin trout]

that's cool :3

[rapid salmon]

any hints?

[royal lantern]

more than 7 less than 9

[lilac spoke]

ahhh right, neat. thanks

[paper stag]

Is there any info whether Nucal contributed to the start of the fungal infection of crops?

[visual lynx]

not that I know of but that was my immediate suspicion

[wind osprey]

From what I understand the runners can speak through their shells. But the personality matrix that's also in the shell probably causes them to respond a bit differently than they normally would otherwise.

[serene ether]

Interesting. Hope they have more lore codex on this

[visual lynx]

yeah I would imagine that in the same way that the runner mind decides where to point and shoot a gun and the personality matrix controls exactly how to operate the fingers etc to make that happen, probably the runner mind wills to communicate some information and the personality matrix decides exactly how to phrase and deliver that.

[rapid salmon]

but like any hints about the actual 8 letter code? it seems rly difficult

[serene ether]

Yeah makes sense, kind of like that.

[wind osprey]

This was my assumption as well. It states in the "runner rivalries" codex entry that there are occasionally runner alliances, and that most basically treat it as a job. In my mind it would be extremely hard to do that if for example, the destroyer matrix was trying to murder everything that moves constantly without your input lmao.

[dreamy hawk]

You just have to also communicate in murder.

[wind osprey]

Exactly

[serene ether]

Good point

Kind of like how the emote wheel works lol. You ask for it to say "Friendly!" but the shell does not just say "Friendly!", it spits out something on the same lines of it though.

[wind osprey]

I know "friendly" is a bit of a meme in the community. But I do think it would be neat if there were some endgame bosses later on (possibly pfhor in nature) that encouraged tenuous alliances between groups of runners. I think it would really sell how powerful some of these things actually could be lorewise

[wind osprey]

I think it's extremely funny when I try to thank somebody for reviving me on Recon and she just says "ok"

[dreamy hawk]

I think the Cryo Archive might from what I’ve heard, but I don’t know a ton on it.

[serene ether]

Hahaha

[gray sluice]

The S'phit aren't a boss in cryo btw

Just like harder to kill then uesc

Jakethealright said when he played on cryo they fought multiple with uesc on them

[twin trout]

me picking the "thanks" option and she goes "eye see you "

[inner stag]

yes, a huge PVE alliance against some alien bosses would be cool if used very sparingly

a "this is bigger than us" moment

[wind osprey]

I was trying to talk about this with some friends who never played the originals. It was difficult to explain why they kept doing aura farm shots on this singular compiler when they're basically mid-tier enemies.

[dreamy hawk]

Mid-tier to the SO. Absolutely terrifying to everyone else, though.

[wind osprey]

Yeah fair

[gray sluice]

Ish

[wind osprey]

I can only imagine how terrifying the cloaked ones would be realistically

[dreamy hawk]

They can kill people and AI.

Also they’re arguably the most iconic of the enemies.

[wind osprey]

I'd agree

It's such a unique design

Even growing up before I had properly played the originals I could pick out the S'pht as a Marathon thing just from my exposure to Bungie through Halo and being in that kind of shared space.

And on that I will say It's SUPER interesting playing Marathon 1 as a massive Halo fan because you really see pretty much from the first terminal forward what strings they pull on in their later games.

[dreamy hawk]

Agreed. Had the same experience. Played Halo, then wanted more Bungie and got in to Marathon. So fun to find all the parallels.

[eternal shell]

bobs in m2 and onward can fight them fairly well and they're regular humans with pistols

i dunno, i doubt the compiler we're going to meet is a standard one

[wind osprey]

I think that has the potential to be a gameplay vs lore situation

[eternal shell]

if nothing else, the SO fought compilers using standard weaponry

i dont think that ma-75 he picked up on the second level evolved like a pokemon because of jjarro cybernetics :P

[sage lark]

Fr?

that got me excited

[dreamy hawk]

That’s a fair point; didn’t Durandal outfit us with an adapted energy pistol for fighting them, too?

[wind osprey]

Yeah I get that. I do think it's quite possible that he's just significantly more efficient with them, faster, and smarter.

[eternal shell]

fusion pistol deals extra damage against mechanical enemies in m2 and onward yes

[eternal shell]

just the ability to sidestep projectiles makes SO superhumanly good at fighting if the bobs are any indication heh

[wind osprey]

I mean going back to the Halo comparison earlier, the SO was the basis for Chief, and he fights pretty much everything with standard issue human firearms. Maybe it's literally just a skill issue on the compiler's part lol

[eternal shell]

durandal does mention in m1 that they try to resist the commands to kill you

[dreamy hawk]

“Have you tried your new fusion gun against the armored Pfhor hunters yet? My S'pht rebuilt it with the sole purpose of short-circuiting Pfhor-built machinery. - Durandal, from Marathon 2, We're Everywhere,”

Oh that’s right. It was adapted for fighting hunters by the S’pht.

[tranquil sparrow]

https://x.com/i/status/2031483227244732503
A guy had a question on X: 'Is there a silent war for the soul of the UNSC that began with the sins of the Insurrection?'

[ashen bear]

Im a huge fan of Orion planting insta kill zip bombs in encrypted data

Especially since they go off if you’re even aware that there’s stuff you’re not supposed to see

[sage lark]

cognitohazard eh

[ashen bear]

Yeah, it’s good stuff

[wind osprey]

ADMINISTERING MEMETIC KILL AGENT

[digital plaza]

Unsanctioned Hostilities | Audio Log 1 (final Traxus contracts)
https://youtu.be/C1vZDwPmL-U

Unsanctioned Hostilities | Audio Log 2 (final Traxus contracts)
https://youtu.be/RPqTVlPJ5NE

[gray sluice]

I'ma be real the wrk is on tau ceti

Or a wrk

No one can change my mind

I'd put it in my holy trinity if it wasnt based on cryo

[rapid salmon]

any hints for the password?

[rancid meteor]

Lore

Mmm cheese

[empty geode]

Is bingus actually durandal?? 🤔🤔

[latent lava]

I just got hold of some codex relating to domestic animal prototypes (I don't extract much lol), Sekiguchi stuff. In the doctor's emails there is a very peculiar signature, with a reference to the year 2467...

Was immortality through shells already present 400 years before the expedition? Or did it take more than 400-500 years to prepare for the expedition to Tau Ceti IV? I don't understand.

[gilded acorn]

We figure out the pass yet?

[latent lava]

There was talk of creating prototypes of domestic animals to help combat loneliness in Neo-Cascadia, but either the doctor is 500 years old or preparations began 500 years ago, but something doesn't add up.

[latent lava]

Bingus can be simply a cat that became "aware", he is also an AI programmed to do cat stuff., like Durandal programmed to open doors on the ship

[hollow ridge]

Kinda empathise with why durandal went mad. If my job was to open doors for 100s of years I think I would go rampant too

[latent lava]

The same thing may have happened to Bingus when he realized he had to chase balls of yarn and meow, ha ha ha.

[hollow ridge]

Oh god what if Bingus eventually talks and is calling us mice n shit lmao

[eternal shell]

"open this can, can opener."

[hollow ridge]

"You pass butter." "Oh my god" type shit

[proven copper]

Strauss was also treating him badly and doing experiments that made him upset. I would hope that purpose built AI wouldn't be bothered by doing their purpose but you never know in torment nexus scifi land.

[hollow ridge]

Oh yeah if I was tortured by my creator id off the guy. Or die tryin

[proven copper]

Marvin from Hitchhiker's Guide type shit

[delicate talon]

;AI, door.

[eternal shell]

in marathon-verse even the biggest ai haters will look at durandal wanting to get back at strauss and go "oh yeah that's fair"

[hollow ridge]

Speaking of the ai tho im interested in how Cerberus is cognitohazardous, is it like the silly Rokos basilisk that tech bros think is real, or is it some "you mention this ai and it will hunt you down and kill you terminator style"

[delicate talon]

;BLUE APCS AI MALF

[hollow ridge]

Lol

[sudden topaz]

i think its so cool that Vandal is the shell I chose right away and MIDA is the faction I gravitated towards right from the start. And now i learn that the Vandal shell and MIDA have been connected since mars

[mighty viper]

Yeah vandal is pretty cool

[distant cedar]

Yu

Frozen Asset -

#🎨marathon-community-art-chat message

HU
MAN

[honest delta]

werent only two cameras marked as completed last night?

[dreamy hawk]

If Durandal was Traxus IV as is likely, then he was already rampant and the doors were just Strauss torturing/experimenting on him.

[gray sluice]

Durandal is NOT traxus IV

[dreamy hawk]

Based on?

Because Tycho suggests otherwise.

[gray sluice]

How he was created by Strauss

[gray sluice]

What evidence

[dreamy hawk]

One sec

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Science_Station_43-c

[digital plaza]

Biosynthetic Pet Prototype | Audio Log
https://youtu.be/QcNVqAYJLZU

[gray sluice]

He's talking about the slavery he dealt with on mars from Strauss

Why do you think he said strausses abuse

Durandal existed for many years before being in the marathon on mars

[dreamy hawk]

It can very easily be both, and that terminal is commonly interpreted to suggest a link between the two AI.

[gray sluice]

Plus Vulcan is a female ai

Just different iterations

Durandal is masculine

[latent lava]

If you see Vulcan, Traxus' new AI is guarded by a lion to prevent what happened with Traxus IV

[dreamy hawk]

I mean. So? It’s not the most solid link, sure, but I’m not sure what an AIs projected gender confirms.

[hollow ridge]

Lest ye forget the lore where it states that rampant ai can replace and subsume other ai as like, part of its whole rampant thing. Its mentioned in one of the lore things but I forget which

Marathon; Oops All Durandal

[latent lava]

Traxus IV was a failure, so why should Strauss have based his work on it?

[dreamy hawk]

But maybe actually. 😂

[dreamy hawk]

He was researching rampancy and meta stability (iirc the last bit).

[hollow ridge]

Durandal Everywhere System