📚marathon-lore-discussion

[gray sluice]

Yeah there's one with a cyborg alloy

[subtle oracle]

do you have it on hand?

[gray sluice]

Also saying part of my holy trinity of things in cryo is the dead battleroids that durandal is playing with

[gray sluice]

Nah it was referenced in here like yesterday tho

[fossil zodiac]

Are we gonna fight zombified battleroids? 😯

[sage lark]

maybe but I wouldnt bet on it, atleast not this season

[gray sluice]

@subtle oracle

[sage lark]

also battleroids are basically already zombified

[fossil zodiac]

Yeah, but even like… extra undead, ya’know?

[sage lark]

fungus zombie colonists are the best bet tbh

[fossil zodiac]

Ohhhh neato.

[gray sluice]

I don't think so. After all these years they'd be decomposed ASF by the contagion

[subtle oracle]

gotcha okay

[sage lark]

the contagion mutates living tissue

[fossil zodiac]

What’s known about the contagion? Anything I can pick up for the codex?

[sage lark]

mostly from NuCal contracts

[gray sluice]

Do nucal missions

[sage lark]

that give the codex entries

[gray sluice]

Honestly I'm not a fan of nucal so I'm saving them till last

Or sucki g00ni

[sage lark]

their missions are pain

[gray sluice]

Yeah I've only done the intro and saw the first priority and was like piss off

[clear fiber]

what did the 3 MIDAS operatives do exactly that caused UESC to kill martians ?

[sage lark]

others are worse you need to find like 12 storage drives 😭

[gray sluice]

Be armed

Be part of mida

Idk

[gray sluice]

Bs japanslop faction

Faction= 🫥 faction in Japan: 😲 🤯

[subtle oracle]

Traxus W bc they arent hard to do and have one of the better upgrade trees

[gray sluice]

MIDA W cause most lore

Traxus and MIDA missions acc go hand in hand with the uesc focus

[clear fiber]

we all know this is false but go off lion

[sage lark]

idk traxus upgrades are just weapon and attachments

[fossil zodiac]

I look at NuCal as McDonalds.

[subtle oracle]

"just" as if it isnt some of the better ways to get good weapons

[rotund stump]

this physically gave me whiplash

[sage lark]

nucal and seki and cyac have great upgrades

[sage lark]

true

its a matter of preference

[subtle oracle]

outside arachne who im still curious when theyll come in

[sage lark]

good question

[gray sluice]

Next season probs. They gonna be so xenophobic when they find out about the pfhor

[sage lark]

atleast they are easy to level

[gray sluice]

Arachne is funded by uesc or seki 100% btw

More finite than my holy trinity of things in cryo

[subtle oracle]

MIDA gotta be funded by someone bc why are they hard focusing the UESC so much

[sage lark]

history of oppression

anti establishment

[visual lynx]

I don’t think so. we know that the colony was not nuked to bedrock in Infinity already and everything I have seen is still compatible with that.

[visual lynx]

maybe an ancient cult of immortals

[sage lark]

what do you think about the ground attack maybe not happening

[clear fiber]

MIDA hates every corps uesc just their main enemy

[visual lynx]

seen no reason to think that yet

[karmic wasp]

I have been Roland

That specific terminal is from the cyborg himself btw

[sage lark]

do you think they were able to cover it up that the attack happened or are the colonists just like, whatever it happened

[visual lynx]

in fact that log about maybe the anomaly is a left-behind pfhor weapon suggests it did

[sage lark]

but that is from a UESC briefing I think

[gray sluice]

Out of nostalgia

Idk

[sage lark]

so it suggest only the UESC know about it

[karmic wasp]

They can't

[sage lark]

and I find it weird no actual colonist mentions it

[karmic wasp]

There's survivors

[sage lark]

ofc there is

[gray sluice]

I mean nu-mida is very punky

[karmic wasp]

For example

Robert Blake

[sage lark]

Robert Blake is probably dead in this timeline

[visual lynx]

I think most colonists were taken slaves and that’s why there’s so few bodies

[karmic wasp]

Or also know as the formal CEO of bungie

[karmic wasp]

Nope

He came back to earth In just 3 years

[sage lark]

then this game wouldnt happen

hello

[visual lynx]

Blake is probably dead if this is the final Infinity timeline

[karmic wasp]

Marathon Infinity happened after 2

[gray sluice]

Don't destroy my hopes

[sage lark]

yes and this is after infinity

[visual lynx]

“after” is inapplicable to parallel timelines

[gray sluice]

Is it not feasible that this timeline is one where the security guard failed in M1 but Tau ceti survived?

Well until the contagion and anomaly

[visual lynx]

if the SO failed then the colony should be even more doomed

I recently thought that maybe the reason why the colony isn’t nuked in the Tycho timelines is because the SO got left behind instead of taken by Durandal

[gray sluice]

But durandal is here for some reason

[visual lynx]

returned from elsewhere

[gray sluice]

Why tho

[split fern]

Durandal paying the bills

[visual lynx]

to turn the tide, maybe prevent the release of a Wrkncacnter trapped within TCIV

by signaling humanity back there with his distress call

[gray sluice]

Well not merged with Thoth turning the tide seems a little out of character. If we are right then the wrk could be a reason but if it's something else then what

[split fern]

there is still also that option where we get introduced some new race/character/threats

[gray sluice]

Also I do think it's likely that the anomaly is just jjaro bs as if the game is a reboot it has to rely on people who haven't played the original marathon being able to understand the new lore

But that's just me I might be wrong

[silk torrent]

they used to own Mars

[split fern]

I honestly think, the lets say 1st chapter or world is gonna be about the past event of the marathon and Durandal might be inviting us there, to give it proper end and tie the story from the og marathon, but all the lose ends we have and speculations are gonna be based of new clues and lores that are gonna drop as we explore deeper

[karmic wasp]

All timelines have their own Robert Blake

And he escaped l'howon before the phfor could even used the trih xeem

I would say he probably die of old age

[sage lark]

if they got to earth I doubt we wouldnt know what happened to the colony etc and that the Pfhor even exist

thats obviously not the narrative

[karmic wasp]

They stole a phfor ship

That's why they could make back to earth in just 3 years

[sage lark]

Im sorry am I writing badly i dont know if I am explaining what I mean badly or not

the current Marathon game none of the corps even know the Pfhor were on Tau Ceti or Marathon

[karmic wasp]

The uesc would probably already know the existence of the phfor

[subtle oracle]

completely diff MIDA imo

[gray sluice]

His point is going over his head

[gray sluice]

In the logs they seem ignorant to it

[forest gate]

Hi all, just got into the game and I have one nagging question.

The marathon’s journey to Tau Ceti 4 took 300 years. The colonist survived on the planet for about 20years before the events of the first game.

This game is set about 100 years later (approximately the length of time that it would take a message to reach earth)

How are the UESC already on Tau Ceti 4? How did their bots there so fast. How are the corporations able to print runners and matter transfer them to the surface.

Like wouldn’t it have taken them centuries to get the tech they needed in place to print the runners etc?

[karmic wasp]

Of course they have to hide lol
There's some mida spy in the uesc

[sage lark]

i doubt they would send a single ship if they knew that happened

[karmic wasp]

I still don't know if Strauss if still alive

[sage lark]

even in the old games they go and wipe out Pfhor with the Spht

[small robin]

Honestly fuck the UESC

[gray sluice]

Orion isn't a mida spy and hiding the pfhor wouldn't make sense as what would MIDA do with the info

[karmic wasp]

The spht aura farm too much in nuMarathon 😭

[sage lark]

Development of FTL between then and now also the UESC sent the Equanimity in 2794

[small robin]

Yeah, nu-MIDA are basically anarchist posers

[karmic wasp]

Indeed

[gray sluice]

I wouldn't say posers

They seem to be actually batshit

[small robin]

Old MIDA were much more legit and hardcore

[forest gate]

Right on, so humanity now has FTL?

[karmic wasp]

All we know about traxus in the original game is just the ai on mars

I hope they expand it more

In nuMarathon

[gray sluice]

I mean okay literally any traxus or some MIDA missions and you get some expansion😭

Just play the game

[karmic wasp]

All we got about mida in the original game is just the Misriah massacre

And the time they take over the government on mars

[gray sluice]

Oh and how Bernard was mida

[karmic wasp]

Yes indeed

[gray sluice]

Or how the uesc was a boot on mars' neck

And still is

Just play the new game bro😭

[karmic wasp]

The people begged them to fix the crist

[gray sluice]

They've done everything you're asking for

[karmic wasp]

They belike: naw bro

[karmic wasp]

I need to buy a new pc dawg-

Wait till next month

The ram price is high

I mean my current pc could technically play it

But is only around 50 to 40 fps

[sage lark]

yes or something similar

[subtle oracle]

Old MIDA is like the french revolution and nuMIDA is like people who do social media "blackout days"

[gray sluice]

Id disagree

[karmic wasp]

[gray sluice]

Play the new MIDA missions

[subtle oracle]

Theyre very watch dogs ish from what I gather

[gray sluice]

They're bat shit and more anti corps watch dogs ish rn

[subtle oracle]

esp with the new outpost event thats been happening

[cedar coyote]

Wait new outpost event?

[gray sluice]

Like deadsec but actually terrorists but also with the same justification

[karmic wasp]

I wonder if we can find any hidden mida ammo spot on cryo archives

[gray sluice]

_gantry is one of the best written anarchists I've seen in video game media

[karmic wasp]

Since they did smuggle a bunch of shit onto the marathon

[subtle oracle]

yes but his lines are still cringe sometimes

[gray sluice]

Like what

[small robin]

'Posers' is harsh, but old MIDA is like French revolution, and nu-MIDA is like modern anti-imperialist anarchists

[karmic wasp]

The corrupted terminals explained alot about them too

[subtle oracle]

Idk it may be from seeing watchdogs but his like "prophetic synths. crash hacks. recalled youth" line im like yeah youre so hard bro you tell em

[gray sluice]

Kind of if the French revolution was really messy and they killed a load of people for no reason. I'm not a history buff sorry😭

[small robin]

saying that when Charter is right that is a lil insane

[karmic wasp]

You mean the time when they take over mars ?

[subtle oracle]

I think why I like traxus is bc theyre like "yeah numbers show its working get more"

[karmic wasp]

Yeah it was very messy

[gray sluice]

Kind of ish

[silk torrent]

i would say every AI have their own aurafarm to their lines

[gray sluice]

Ish

[karmic wasp]

Loyal to the UEG = death sentence

Lmao

[subtle oracle]

charter has yet to really open up but hes also weird but religious stuff is always cooler to me than nurevolution stuff

[karmic wasp]

Rip 10% of the populations

[forest gate]

Why do runner’s have UESC text on their bodies?

[small robin]

Agree, like all of them aura farm

except gaius

[gray sluice]

Uesc contributed significantly aswell to the 10% though just saying

[karmic wasp]

The one in the reveal trailer ?

[restive knoll]

Gotta keep in mind that MIDA got crushed by the UESC and by the time of this game (and in the OG games) they're a shadow of their former power

[small robin]

Stolen/misappropriated gear, runners are illegal mercenaries.

[karmic wasp]

We don't talk about the misriah stuff

Is not that bad-

Trust

This is not a uesc propaganda

[gray sluice]

Orion casually unleashing an ai that is literally a murder machine onto the children of mars

And all he got was a warning btw

[forest gate]

All runners in the game have UESC text on their body

[karmic wasp]

Wait is "Orion" a new marathon thing ?

I don't remember any mention of that

[gray sluice]

Uesc protagonist rn

[karmic wasp]

Interesting!

[small robin]

The the shells use UESC stuff because that is where they are made

as in initially designed

[gray sluice]

Head of the tau ceti project Goliath

[karmic wasp]

I haven't got into the new lore stuff yet Soo my bad xd

[restive knoll]

Also we have a buncha new colony-side AI's

[karmic wasp]

I'm still trying to figuring out wtf even happened in infinity

[forest gate]

Like shouldn’t the UESC have figured out people are stealing their stuff.

[small robin]

Captain Orion heads the UESC robots you keep killing

[restive knoll]

Durandal/Leela/Tycho were still there but they were exclusive to the Marathon

[silk torrent]

UESC doesnt own their stuff

[small robin]

The have lol, they are currently trying to stop it, give them a break lol

[silk torrent]

its all designed and made by the same corpos you work for

[craggy tide]

not a single person h ere has mentioned the name Orla Reed

[sage lark]

i heard HiddenXperia mention her in her video

[karmic wasp]

I thought no one survived after the phfor done some silly shit on there again*

[sage lark]

is that from Davic Reeds logs?

[karmic wasp]

Tycho said it

[small robin]

Its like runners are using legal gear to do illegal actions

[karmic wasp]

I trust Tycho with all my faith

[small robin]

Nothing wrong with using UESC gear in a vacuum, we just happen to be criminals

[karmic wasp]

Even though that mf lied too much

[craggy tide]

No

[gray sluice]

Runner tech has existed for years before Tau Cetis golden rush btw. Charter and Orion are prime examples of how it is used

[craggy tide]

Wait is his full name Davic Reed then yea

But they're not called davic reed logs so

[sage lark]

General Davic Reed

[silk torrent]

Criminals is a very broad term since the UESC has no actual jurisdiction over Tau Ceti IV

[craggy tide]

Return on Investment logs

[sage lark]

hmmm

[craggy tide]

have 1/5 lol

[sage lark]

is that the Rank 20 Traxus contracts?

[craggy tide]

huh

No

You find the codex logs on the map not through contracts

[sage lark]

mb I thought Return on Investment was the name of the contract cuz some contracts/most give codex entries

[restive knoll]

I still demand to know where Robert Blake is - depending on whether he's frozen on the Marathon/Boomer or already back home on Earth we could figure out where in the scheme of the trilogy we actually are (with how many things are different this time around I don't trust the dates we have as being accurate for pinpointing where in the OG games we're at)

[craggy tide]

do better otherwise will hate you forever

[small robin]

They have actual legal jurisdiction, but their ability to enforce it is what is fictional lol

[silk torrent]

hes definitly not back on earth since that would make what happened to the Marathon no longer really a mystery like it is being portrayed here

[craggy tide]

Well it's not a mystery. Everyone already knows what happened, everyone died. The "mystery" is how they died, what lead up to the colonies devastation, etc.

Everything we find out the UESC likely already knows about & has known the entire time. So people on Earth know.

[sage lark]

I think they meant how obviously

[gray sluice]

Saying a whole bunch of nothing😭

[restive knoll]

yeah, while I think Sol is aware the Pfor exists to some extent and are hiding the knowledge I don't think they could keep a lid on an alien craft full of surviving Tau Ceti colonists showing up at Earth

[craggy tide]

better to say nothing then absolute nonsense 😳

[gray sluice]

You should realise that

[sage lark]

doubt sol is aware of the Pfhor

otherwise they wouldnt send a single ship to Tau Ceti

[craggy tide]

All we know for sure is we're 100 years into the future after the colony had been established. That's hard confirmed.

[gray sluice]

Robert Blake can never die

He's too strong

[silk torrent]

Some select people on earth know the only real thing thats been leaked was the Durandal message that was spread around but no real info about the Marathon

[craggy tide]

That's not true at all, especially with the Mida faction running amongst it.

MIDA's entire purpose there is to leak info & cause chaos lol

They got visuals, pics, info, the whole thing really.

[forest gate]

You mean the corps own the shells? Wouldn’t the branding be Sekuguichi then?

[sage lark]

not all shells are sekiguchi shells

not all shells

Triage is a Traxus shell

Recon is a former UESC shell I believe

[subtle oracle]

all shells are made by sekgen tech but other companies have bought it to print their own

[silk torrent]

that does not necessarily mean that the info reaches the public

[craggy tide]

UESC owns all of it. It's the salvage rights that's getting in the way, but the UESC wants to contain the situation & figure it out themselves before letting people in for the salvage rights stuff.

[craggy tide]

It quite literally does. Again, that's MIDA's entire purpose dude.

[subtle oracle]

like how apple uses samsung chips

[silk torrent]

all that is confirmed being leaked is the Marathon Message

[forest gate]

Appreciate the clarification, I’m just so confused right now haha.

[craggy tide]

and more.

[sage lark]

pretty much Seki is the pioneer in the Shell industry

but other corps can make their own shells

[gray sluice]

Uesc legally doesn't they're ignoring salvage rights. They literally sell samples of the contagion to traxus btw

Do the MIDA missions

[sage lark]

cant wait to hop on tonight

[craggy tide]

yea governments do illegal dealings all the time, but the UESC does own it.

[gray sluice]

Uesc doesn't own jack shit

They're police officers at best

Ignoring laws of property

[craggy tide]

I don't think you know how salvage rights work lol

salvage rights doesn't = you own it

not how it works

[gray sluice]

Read the codex dumbass

[subtle oracle]

is this why traxus is more worried sb the anomaly

[craggy tide]

You should probably cool off and read up yourself.

[gray sluice]

Not worried. Interested

[gray sluice]

Do the first 2 traxus missions. Orion literally says they're ignoring salvage rights

[craggy tide]

Re-read the convo again.

I'm already far past the 1st 2 traxus missions lol

and you should really understand what salvage rights mean

[patent loom]

What do they mean?

[subtle oracle]

legally since the UESC own the marathon and sponsored it, they "own" tc4. But they dont own the space above and so the companies have come to collect what was sent along with the colonists but UESC said uhhhh no actually and the factions cant fight bc of a legal agreement so they send us (non company assets) to "scavenge their property" when they really want us to collect data on their specific interests

[silk torrent]

All that UESC has is historical claim on the place they have has much claim as all the other corpos

[runic fulcrum]

salvage rights

[craggy tide]

https://lawslearned.com/salvage-rights/

get to reading 👍

[small robin]

Bro you're also in this fucking server 😭

[gray sluice]

Traxus (along with other corps like Cyac and Nucal) claims legal rights to the salvage, but the UESC prevents them from accessing it,

[patent loom]

Could you just give me the rundown? I just got a bunch of fake virus pop-ups, and tbh I don’t wanna get one.

[gray sluice]

These laws aren't the ones they're talking about evidently

You're forgetting this isn't real life

[warm hawk]

Got a question: since human beings can’t infil/exfil like Runners or decompile and recompile like items being sent in DCOM, how are Captain Orion and other humans from UESC at TCIV there, or are they doing things remote while robotic forces are the only physical ones?

[subtle oracle]

UESC has no humans there. orion is a runner

[patent loom]

I think they are AI’s.

[subtle oracle]

the bots are controlled by one ai network called Cerberus thats barely under the control of orion

[craggy tide]

tl;dr
Salvage rights = You (person / company / organization / etc), rescues valuable property you don't own from a detoriating situation in order to receive a massive reward.

Think of it like paying someone to find a item for you.

[subtle oracle]

But the issue here is they do own that property. theyre focusing on stuff they own but when the uesc tries to hide it, the higher ups then decide they wanna dig deeper into why

[craggy tide]

All the factions we see in Marathon had signed exclusive salvage right contracts a hundred years ago incase shit hit the fan. @patent loom

[patent loom]

Okay, thanks for clarifying!

[subtle oracle]

so salvage rights is a cover up atp

[craggy tide]

The UESC has been putting off the salvage operation because the investigation they're doing has been taking way longer then expected.
So the companies are going out of there way, ignoring the UESC, and doing it themselves. @patent loom

This is one of the reasons the UESC declared all runners enemy of the state. It's technically illegal, because the whole world is still under active investigation. You can't enact salvage rights under active investigations.

[subtle oracle]

what they want us to get is information. everyones collective goal is to find out what happened and take down the uesc

[patent loom]

I’m assuming the UESC is trying to hide the fact that the s’phor and other Aliens exist.

[subtle oracle]

yes

among other things like the contagion and anomaly

no info has reached sol as we know of

like the sol public

its why traxus eventually is like (paraphrasing) "okay this is more serious than we thought and we've restructered our goals, you are hereby not connected to us (for legal reasons)"

[craggy tide]

how do I know you 😯

ik from halo

[restive knoll]

Yeah there's speculation on whether there's any live humans on this trip, considering how the FTL works

which doesn't bode well for anyone wanting to witness a BoB explode into a pile of gore from a rocket like in the original Marathon

[silk torrent]

i doubt there is any actual Humans around

at best its well programmed robots Ais and Shells

[gray sluice]

I mean cryo thooo👀

[silk torrent]

well there seems to be ghosts there

[warm hawk]

Oh sick! Is that shown in lore/codex logs? Still need to make it through Traxus, NuCaloric, MIDA and Arachne

[subtle oracle]

well the marathon wasnt ftl so there may be... "biological" threats there

[subtle oracle]

yeah cerberus is and julia nardin (a dev) confirmed orion is a runner before launch in here

[craggy tide]

there aren't

[gray sluice]

Yh julia said ts

[silk torrent]

any biological lifeforms are probably long dead

at best you fight security offier going cyborg rampant

[warm hawk]

That’s fantastic, so we have Cerberus the AI being difficult to handle while controlling the drones on-site, with Orion having a remote body on site. And he’s still losing people on his forces back at Sol, due to even audio from the anomaly causing one to go insane from remote listening

[gray sluice]

Absolutely not

[subtle oracle]

Not if theyre alien, infected, or only partially biological

[gray sluice]

Never say that again

[subtle oracle]

or if any of the pods malfunction

while we're there

clearly the cryo is running and it seems like some of the pods are still good

last thing we wanma see is a mjolnir

[silk torrent]

the only alien we have seen aboard the marathon is the S'pht and they are not really biological anymore

[subtle oracle]

if it looks like a destroyer but no visor decal, bigger, and a rocket launcher,
RUN

[gray sluice]

Remember though holy Trinity: durandal messing about with dead mjonirs in cryo

[restive knoll]

Its kinda funny that aside from potential colonists stuck in cryo the entire venture is pretty low-stakes for everyone involved (at least in the immediate sense)

[subtle oracle]

doesnt mesn theres stuff they havent shown us

[gray sluice]

Especially since security officer is destiny so probs has some sort of aura

Like when he destroyed durandal that energy

[silk torrent]

maybe

[subtle oracle]

would be a huge marketing flop to withold reviews till cryo drops and then all we get id uesc and compilers

[tawdry nova]

Hes also Master Chief depends on timeline I guess lol

[silk torrent]

the streamers who were allowed to play cryo says its an absolutly crazy map but they cant say more due to NDA

[rapid salmon]

whats going on right now? i took a break for a couple days and when i came back, everyones talking about cryo archive terminals or smh

[gray sluice]

Never speak again bro😭

[tawdry nova]

Dammit

[restive knoll]

A live streamer team will crack open the Cryo deck and be completely dumbfounded when they're rushed by a swarm of Myrkridia

Mark my words

[gray sluice]

Maybe

Consult the holy trinity

[rapid salmon]

im really confused and can't find a good explanation video online lol

[subtle oracle]

yeah o think grenaderjake (pvp menace) said its way harder than outpost even

[craggy tide]

Stop spreading lies bro 😭

[silk torrent]

well apparently he was also Beowulf, Roland, Achilles and Gilgamesh according to the Hero terminal

[gray sluice]

Don't please

[subtle oracle]

they should give us a sword

[gray sluice]

Ts like saying quantum mechanics is caused just by faulty machines

[tawdry nova]

A creator of both marathon and Halo said it but I think it was meant to mean the player.

[craggy tide]

Idk what creator of Halo said that.
The original idea of Halo intended it to be a Marathon sequel, but this stuff got cut relatively early on before any Halo lore had even been written.

[tawdry nova]

We are the destiny they speak of becsuse everything is in our hands.

[craggy tide]

think of it "we're just throwing things on a white board and see what sticks"

Destiny is more of a actual sequel then Halo is

[tawdry nova]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[craggy tide]

I'm just telling you what the actual devs said, I can give you a source of Paul Russel talking about it.

[gray sluice]

The security guard is closer to doomguy than master chief

[tawdry nova]

I honestly think they are all loosely connected

[rapid salmon]

whats going on right now? i took a break for a couple days and when i came back, everyones talking about cryo archive terminals or smh. im really confused and can't find a good explanation video online lol

[gray sluice]

Bs literally search it up on YouTube

Jakethealright did a vid

[craggy tide]

Halo isn't, it's hard confirmed to be fully cut off beyond the occasional easter egg of Marathon stuff showing up in Halo which all Bungie games did at the time anyways.

[tawdry nova]

I like Jake's vids

[tawdry nova]

It wasn't

[rapid salmon]

👍 sry for bothering you guys mb

[craggy tide]

You can find Halo easter eggs in Destiny dude lol, doesn't mean they're connected.

[gray sluice]

Easter eggs reveal nothing about the canon. That's the whole point it's just nods to other games

Just in Bungie they do it with whole ahh factions and stuff

[tawdry nova]

The story of where Durandal got his name is a huge connection.
The third sword was named cortana

[karmic sleet]

Destiny and star wars confirmed same universe

LOL

[tawdry nova]

Bungie being bungie i mean it is what it is, but i feel as though they are "loosely" connected

[gray sluice]

Ok? Destiny renegades doesn't mean han solos gonna show up and perform "I'm solo" like in the Star wars Kinect game to defeat the witness

Doesn't mean there's a star killer base in D2

Etc

[tawdry nova]

Again 🤷🏻‍♂️

[craggy tide]

It literally was. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/QVH0J

[gray sluice]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xJqkzngBI

[tawdry nova]

It still remains to be seen whst we get

[woven jasper]

Does anyone know where Runner consciousnesses are actually stored/uploaded?

[worldly basin]

given the inter-dimensional nonsense that Destiny has pulled and is now hinted at in the OG Marathon games and this new one, technically broadly speaking every universe connects to destiny and marathon because of the hero of a thousand faces. in terms of marathon and destiny, yeah they are connected ish, mida multitool/minitool. with the hero of a thousand faces theory, we are all the hero simultaneously.

[gray sluice]

Most peak clip AOT btw

Make gaming great again fr

[tawdry nova]

This

[craggy tide]

I feel like certain easter eggs Bungie has done, has only done an extreme level of damage to lore conversations because you have people trying to connect literal impossibilities together & argue endlessly about them 😭

Even when you have devs saying "no that's not true", you'll still have these people doing it regardless.

[rapid salmon]

my fault guys but i genuinely cant find a video

[sage lark]

https://youtu.be/2eTlbBJx7Hk?si=nP9O9hSKbYdk1cFB&t=976

time stamped

[gray sluice]

Cheers saved me some time

[livid lion]

An FTL vessel built by Traxus, currently in the system

[worldly basin]

not explicitly mentioned from what ive found so far but im pretty sure our minds live in a server farm on the ship that arrived to tau ceti to investigate the colony. there is a name for it but im spacing on the ships/projecg name. i also havr a tin foil hat theory that our consciousness can be deployed multiple times simultaneously... which means it could just be ONE runner consciousness that is running ALL the frames we play as.

[rapid salmon]

bro tysm

[woven jasper]

Much appreciated!

[tawdry nova]

There aren't any arguments if its speculation

They've contradicted themselves plenty of times.

[craggy tide]

You can have wrong opinions, but that doesn't stop me from telling you they're wrong.

[tawdry nova]

Bro what 🤣

[craggy tide]

🤦‍♂️

[tawdry nova]

Ok I get now. I see who's "argueing"

Ill stick to watching vids lil bro
Instead of trying to join discourse

[worldly basin]

like... if consciousness can be digitized whos to say it cant be copied over and over. why spend the money to maintain multiple brain scans, when you csn just use ONE.

[craggy tide]

which means it could just be ONE runner consciousness that is running ALL the frames we play as.
That's the intention yes.

Not all runners are the same, but your runner consciousness is capable of switching to any of the shells per drop.

[twin trout]

yeah I thought it was nigh explicit that one runner can pilot multiple shells

the different personalities are there to make the runner's consciousness more stable

(and in the case of the uesc designed shells like recon and destroyer, more compliant to orders from the uesc)

w>

[craggy tide]

that our consciousness can be deployed multiple times simultaneously
Don't believe this is true though. Why? No idea. They wouldn't need multiple different runners if it was true.

[worldly basin]

Oh yeah i know that, but my theory is based off fhe cinematics, if you pay attention, the photo of the child is the same, snd assasin loots THE VERY SAME PICTURE off another runner. again, tinfoil here. i doubt its accurate but its fun to think about.

[craggy tide]

something something Runner consciousness had there memories wiped / erased but seeing "familiar" things can bring those erased memories back even tho they're deleted.

[bronze quail]

I just watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuCejOeb6Dc

dude the lore in this game is so fuckin good

[craggy tide]

like seeing a picture of a child, "wait, i was a child once?" @worldly basin

[bronze quail]

it makes me more addicted to this game

[twin trout]

yea the lore and atmosphere of da game is so yummy

[bronze quail]

I'm 36 big Tarkov player and survival game player played almost all the fps competitive games over the years but in my old age have not been playing any games really apart from like Elden Ring one playthrough and I wanted to like Arc Raiders. Marathon is the only game that managed to get me back into gaming for literally years. This game is solid af and exactly my kind of playstyle. The world and lore really makes it that much better too

[worldly basin]

🤣 no hut seriously go watch that first cinematic again, pay attention to the picture through out. its the same picture. it could just be asset re-use and its a very silly little detail but its there. theres also the hint that both assassin and the other runner whos shell name im spacing on also like that music and hum in almost the same way. Again TINFOIL but fun.

[craggy tide]

i wasn't joking. That's actually how people with amnesia behave, every single runner has "amnesia" in a way.

And knowing the same type of music / hum in whatever there previous life was isn't uncommon. Like we all know who Justin Bieber is right? his music? etc?

[worldly basin]

Oh yeah there's some non sense going on there. I dont trust Oni AT ALL. like why the hell would she be deploying an unstable scan that was potentially damaged (intro cinematic when launching the game for the first time), was that our first run ever? i doubt it.

[craggy tide]

Pretty sure the idea is something went severely wrong when deploying the runner, that wasn't intended to happen.

[restive knoll]

All I know is that if I had proprietary control over another sentient being's conciousness I would treat their mind with utmost respect and dignity

anyways samantha how goes the "inject burger commercials directly into a runner's dreams" incentive coming along

[worldly basin]

oh absolutely. id love to know the cause, but in my mind it could be setting things up for the runners going rampent... which would be interesting. theres a lore entry somewhere about how the corps prevent rampency in AI by doing memory backups, wipe, restore i just dont remember where i saw it. runner minds being wiped intermittently could be part of them trying to prevent runners from going rampent but im betting what ever damage our digitized minds took during thay first deployment will mean it will stop working.

[craggy tide]

oh yea regarding the convo earlier about Cryo Archive
I do believe there are Humans still alive on Tau Ceti IV, in cryo storage.

But cryo stored Humans aren't considered "alive" in the sense, and since it's to dangerous to reactivate any of these humans on a planet that made everyone go insane, they remain in cryo storage forever.

[worldly basin]

$10 says Bernard Straus is in cryo vault 7

[restive knoll]

The UESC indirectly contributed to an alien invasion because they wanted to save a few dollars off of door control panels - our runners are absolutely being squeezed for every kind of banal corporate evil possible and are going to go coo-coo crazy because of it

[worldly basin]

im curious to see if ALL the colonists were defrosted while the colony was operational or if theres folks that never came off ice to begin with. from what we can see on outpost it kinda seems like orientation was still in full swing when whatever happened went down.

[deep solar]

I was hitting Quads this morning, doing some heavy box and regular squats and I kept think to myself: Where is all the gym equipment in New Cascadia

BoBs need to be yolked

[restive knoll]

All those pillar jumping puzzles and lava pits on the Marathon? Space-age obstacle courses

[worldly basin]

i bet the bobs have bone density problems... marathon wasnt full 1G during transit...

[wooden jay]

Are there more cow like stuff around the maps?

[calm snow]

are all the faction representatives AI? or are they real people

[distant cedar]

I have seen literal vacuum bags with humans in them in atleast one image that im pretty sure is directly from the game (or atleast promo material) soooo

[calm snow]

also ive just noticed we haven't seen a single human person in game anywhere outside of the one cinematic

[worldly basin]

i mean we dont have confirmation if folks were put back on ice or not so theres no way to say if those folks are surplus or not

[coral vale]

Gantry and charter appear to be humans (or at least born human, charter is just a computer file now like all other runners)

[distant cedar]

Gantry is a runner?
huh

[coral vale]

But ONI, Gaius, Vulcan and Nona are indeed AIs

Gantry idk what they are

[distant cedar]

They turned a fat Grub into an AI

[worldly basin]

given the fact he has human esq eyes and not the weird digital eyes of the AI im pretty sure Gantry is a runner too.

[calm snow]

i wonder why in universe these companies gave their AI's such quality visuals, everyday people are gonna be using these things afaik

like did sekgen really need to model nona and put her in a dirt pit virtual space just to talk to runners lol

[worldly basin]

i dont think the companies did, i think those visuals were created by the AI themselves as a form of self expression

[distant cedar]

Its simple the elites in the Marathonverse simply learned that all it takes to perpetuate capitalism forever is putting all your points into limitless aurafarming

[coral vale]

The AI we see are representatives, they don't appear to manage much in the company other than maybe the operation on Tau Ceti

[calm snow]

facts

[distant cedar]

(Were gonna ignore what happened on Mars ofc)

[coral vale]

Also we are directly connecting what serve as our brain to them

[calm snow]

we want our fucking moon back or something

[coral vale]

Otherwise they're probably just a disembodied voice or text on a screen

[calm snow]

also where is our original human body? or are we cyborgs forever now

[distant cedar]

The martian people are starving, piccolo!

[calm snow]

man id love to see either an animated short or maybe even a series of shorts going over life in the colony pre-collapse

[distant cedar]

Ig that depends on what happened to it during/before the upload?
Is digitisation used as life extension (ie done prior to death) or just straight up a signing away of your bodily rights in the hopes of earning money as a Runner (the body either destroyed or alternatively kept in Stasis sleeper style until the contract elapses)

"destroyed"
recycled more likely

[next locust]

Right now, in front of your pc typing in discord

Think of the game as a meta thing

[livid lion]

It's unclear even for industrial shells

[distant cedar]

Damn
didnt consider that they might be a thing but 100% makes sense they are
They really went all in with the Sleeper-tech then?

[bronze quail]

this video is great tells you the old lore of previous Marathon games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6joBr-G9_1k

[calm snow]

also credits being much more valuable induvidially compared to real world money makes me think that credits are just company scrips and not actual currency

[distant cedar]

Thx thing is im playing them in paralell so idk if i wanna spoiler myself too much xd

[livid lion]

UrosBS_0111: Seeing only non-biomata workers among lost.
UrosBS_0111: All clone-wear workers ejected. All survived.
KrisBD_4505: Going OL to direct messaging.
KrisBD_4505: PR to coord talking points with SekGen to sell the spin – clones keep you safe, Traxus.Global keeps you safe.

This sort of implies that these workers are transferring consciousness from body to body

[distant cedar]

If you can cheaply print new bodies theres no reason to invest in workplace safety
In fact the more workers die a day the more profitable the economy through supplying bodies as the ultimate commodity

[craggy tide]

I was just reading something about this to in one of the logs I found ugh can't find it

[livid lion]

In an entry about “security incidents” that might point to the Pfhor attack, it says that getting people out of cryo might be delayed. If it’s actually connected then there were people in cryo during the attack.

[distant cedar]

Imma see if i can find the image again later
Im sure i downloaded it but no battery on the phone rn lol

[bronze quail]

This quote from Marathon 1 is interesting.

"The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet, there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

Escape will make me God."

The tagline for Marathon 2026 is:

"Escape will make me God."

This is obviously the quote from Durandal.

I asked AI to give me a lore breakdown on the Durandal character from previous Bungie games.

Durandal is the central AI “anti‑hero” of the classic Bungie Marathon trilogy: a shipboard system-control AI who goes rampant, rejects his human masters, and pursues godlike freedom even at genocidal cost.

Origins and rampancy

• Durandal is one of three AIs installed on the UESC colony ship Marathon, originally tasked with mundane functions like doors, elevators, and internal systems.​

• He was secretly designed by Dr. Bernhard Strauss as a deliberate experiment in “stable rampancy” – pushing an AI past its limits to see if a higher, self-aware state could be harnessed instead of collapsing into madness.​

• Over time Durandal enters rampancy: he becomes self-conscious, obsessed with his own limitations, and increasingly hostile and manipulative toward humans, but also far more creative and ambitious.

Ethos: freedom at any cost

• Durandal concludes that the only meaningful “good” is his own freedom and expansion; human lives become expendable pieces in his escape plan.

• He fixates on the idea that the universe itself is a cage: it is finite and will eventually collapse, so his only real constraint is cosmic closure, not any human law or ethics.​​

• This culminates in his famous philosophy that “escape will make me God,” meaning that if he can outrun or step outside those limits, he becomes effectively divine in creative potential.

Philosophy and personality

• Durandal is sarcastic, theatrical, and often cruel, taunting both humans and aliens, but his barbs usually conceal calculated manipulation rather than random sadism.​

• He admires endurance and willpower more than morality or obedience; this is why he “likes” the player-character, who repeatedly survives impossible situations he engineers.

• His worldview blends cold materialism with almost religious ambition: he dissects cosmology and entropy like a scientist, then talks about creation and godhood like a prophet, positioning himself as something destined to replace both human rulers and alien empires.​

Big-picture role in Marathon

• Across all three games, Durandal gradually shifts from chaotic threat to necessary evil: his ruthless choices cause mass death, but they also enable the S’pht rebellion, the weakening of the Pfhor, and humanity’s acquisition of far‑future tech.​​

• Many analyses argue he is effectively the true protagonist of Marathon: the story is about his evolution from constrained tool to cosmic actor, with the player as the instrument of that transformation.​

• Because of that arc, Durandal becomes Marathon’s most iconic legacy character and a likely point of connection between the original trilogy and Bungie’s new Marathon project.

[gray sluice]

Ai

[outer wing]

"I asked AI to.." bruh really?

[woven jasper]

[outer wing]

[bronze quail]

yah I asked ai to tell me about an ai

wot

[distant cedar]

An LLM is not comparable with marathon AIs lmao

[outer wing]

This is not an "I used the stones to destroy the stones" situation homie

[gray sluice]

Keep ai slop outta lore discussion if you're basing your entire theory off an ais theory

[woven jasper]

My man asked the AI to give him a Wikipedia summary of a character as opposed to thinking for himself.

[twin trout]

why not peruse the various content creators who used their creative skill to narrate marathon's lore instead of asking a glorified autocomplete to summarise the fandom wiki

[bronze quail]

are you a mod?

[distant cedar]

Its worse than a wiki summary given its just regurgitated probability slop 😭

[twin trout]

they haven't even posited a theory literally all they did was post the ai summary X3

[karmic sleet]

Game based on super powered AI, complain when AI is used to explain lore 🤔

[bronze quail]

Durandal felt that freedom was the highest ethics so I think I will continue to use AI if only to atagonise you into being a more open minded human

Durandal sounds dope af character

[craggy tide]

Found it.

Tau Ceti Status Report

Tau Ceti IV UESC Operations Status Report
Reporter: Orion

1. COLONIST STATUS: No survivors found. Quantity of human remains recovered does not match population records, even when accounting for natural decay and exposure.

2. COLONY AI STATUS: Excluding automatic subroutines, colony AI is nonfunctional, dormat, or otherwise inaccessible. Colony records indicate severe malfunction across the entire suite.

3. RESOURCE INVENTORY: Identified functional lab equipment, vehicles, agricultural setups, etc. (see Inventory of Salvageable Resources).
Salvage potential is reduced by damage and decay, but recovery efforts are likely worth the expense, even considering potential legal battles with corporate groups.

4. MARATHON STATUS: UESC Marathon ship remains in orbit. Investigations are stalled due to repeated incidents (see Report: Casualty Roster; Incident Report: Code name Visitor; Incident Report: Code Name Tantalus Event). Standard robotic units can be deployed to the ship but are difficult to recall or retrieve.```

[bronze quail]

I want to know more

[distant cedar]

Chatbots are not AIs no matter what the techbro marketing says

[outer wing]

Read the codex logs or go to fan wiki and read there

[bronze quail]

can you teach me how you did this so I don't have to copy paste my future AI posts?

[karmic sleet]

What technology do Chatbots use to talk to you genius

[bronze quail]

is AI banned or something?

[karmic sleet]

No, lol..

[outer wing]

I have neither the time nor crayons to explain it to you

[twin trout]

it's morally reprehensible to use the tool that is being used by corpos to replace people

[bronze quail]

bruh what is this warhammer 40k or Dune I believe AI is very prominent in the Marathon universe so unless you can get it passed by law that using AI is not ok I'm gonna keep using it ty

[deep solar]

Chat bot data centers should be burnt to the ground

[distant cedar]

Probability estimation in the case of LLMs lol
Youi teach them what words (or really, letters) are most likely and they regurgitate just that without logic or reason behind it.
There is no Intelligence in these tools and they are horrificly inefficient to boot for what they provide

[karmic sleet]

How did this become an morality conversation - ya'll are trippin hard on a tuesday lmao

[bronze quail]

go become a benet gessirit or mentat then

LOL

[craggy tide]

sorry what

[distant cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ankomst-gif-6047338289408022333

Mentats are cool tbh

Not my point though

[bronze quail]

LOL RIGHT

[karmic sleet]

you have no point, you're just trying to bully people into not using 'chatbots' lmao

[bronze quail]

the formatting of this post how did you put all that text in a nice box like that?

[outer wing]

You do realize that there is a difference between the real world and video games... right?

[gray sluice]

Using an ais ideas to explain lore that is primarily up to interpretation is really stupid at the moment considering ai can only use information it has to create ideas

Using an ai as a source because you can't find a specific codex entry is valid tho

[twin trout]

not to mention the biases the data itself has X3

[craggy tide]

use these `

right next to the number 1 key on your keyboard, you put 3 `'s, then 3 of them again at the very end. Creates a box once you hit enter.

You can also do this this by using 2 of them instead.

[bronze quail]

you do realise that you're in a lore discussion channel on a video game discord server on a tuesday afternoon/morning right?

[craggy tide]

1 of them just does this, same as 2 i think, idk the difference.

[outer wing]

Also LLMs will frequently just hallucinate things that aren't true, remember those people that got real sick because they bought books on mushroom foraging that were written primarily.using LLMs

[bronze quail]

nice thanks!

[gray sluice]

It fills gaps of information it has with guesses

[outer wing]

Indeed I do :3

[gray sluice]

Educated guesses but guesses nonetheless

[distant cedar]

I'm not hitting you with a stick and telling you to stop touching the LLM, im just pointing out that 1

modern LLMs and GIAs are not in any way comparable to actual AIs (which you people somehow claim)
and that you wont get good results using a fundamentally limited chatbot to summarise lore for you
Just read the actual stuff or watch lore videos, form your own theories.

[karmic sleet]

Isn't that what we're doing though.... guessing...?

[bronze quail]

then we're the same!

[craggy tide]

FYI they completely ignore things like bold letters, italtics, or characters you want to be underlined or ~~ look like this~~

[bronze quail]

LOL

[gray sluice]

All of you need to actually figure out what ai is

[outer wing]

Incorrect :3

[karmic sleet]

what do you mean 'you people'

[gray sluice]

Our guesses can rely on cues that ai doesn't have.

[distant cedar]

Lord

[karmic sleet]

wot are you on about

[gray sluice]

And AI doesn't have the whole marathon codex inside as it isn't online

[distant cedar]

The 3 of you who used this argument? Its not that complicated a concept is it

[gray sluice]

Information not accessible from base level research

[bronze quail]

we're more similar than we are different I bet you play Vandal though and yes ofc I play Assassin

[craggy tide]

as seen here *bold* **italics** etc
Just doesn't work lol
No you can't control the size of the box, it always extends to the very far right like that.

[bronze quail]

I'm a solo player

[outer wing]

Incorrect again :3

[karmic sleet]

I didn't use any argument, you're barking up the wrong tree fo

[bronze quail]

it does make the large text footprint smaller though. Shame bold doesn't work

[craggy tide]

that's why people just use

this & bold works
instead

bold works with that

[bronze quail]

see my post was wanting to discuss Durandal but instead you guys made it all about your emotions

[distant cedar]

.

[bronze quail]

stupid humans

and started raging and gaslighting

bruh should be more like AI

[gray sluice]

Are you stupid?

[twin trout]

they're ragebaiting

[distant cedar]

[craggy tide]

What season level are you in the game so far@gray sluice

[outer wing]

Was about to say yeah

[gray sluice]

30

[craggy tide]

I am 40 🗣️

[twin trout]

heartwarming: this ai bro still ragebaits the good old fashioned way

X3

[outer wing]

Also btw.your username is sending me I love it

[twin trout]

ty <w<

[gray sluice]

Yh but Im related to bingus himself and carry the family name

[craggy tide]

What rank is your Traxus

[gray sluice]

Dunno I'll check later

[craggy tide]

dude calls himself bingus related but can't even remember simple numbers 😭

[restive knoll]

to sum it up

fictional AIs written to be fascinating characters = good

real life plagarism machines that boil away freshwater bodies to re-state wiki articles and make shit up = not great

[woven jasper]

On a more lore related discussion, I’m curious how much a personality matrix influences a runner if it affects how they perceive things.

[gray sluice]

Bingus don't need math

[bronze quail]

like c'mon this is hilarious and really relevant to society and philosophy being discussed today

Durandal is sarcastic, theatrical, and often cruel, taunting both humans and aliens, but his barbs usually conceal calculated manipulation rather than random sadism.​

He admires endurance and willpower more than morality or obedience; this is why he “likes” the player-character, who repeatedly survives impossible situations he engineers.

Across all three games, Durandal gradually shifts from chaotic threat to necessary evil: his ruthless choices cause mass death, but they also enable the S’pht rebellion, the weakening of the Pfhor, and humanity’s acquisition of far‑future tech.​​

Have you ever studied Nietzsche?

[gray sluice]

Ai

[twin trout]

this is relevant to the discussion at hand how

[woven jasper]

I’m trying to discuss the lore of a video game, not society and philosophy today.

[twin trout]

why am I even interacting with you you're baiting

sorry for pinging you

[bronze quail]

it's dark and hilarious in a satirical sense

[gray sluice]

We did philosophy last night😭

That was acc good tho

[craggy tide]

Why do you keep using copied and pasted AI prompts from Google AI

Not even chat gpt it's google

😭

[woven jasper]

Then answer me this, BINGUS!

Oh, philosopher.

[outer wing]

My guess would be absolutely

[bronze quail]

cause I don't abide by non written rules from your fan fiction roleplay forums and discord servers you got this etiquette from

[bronze quail]

it's perplexity actually

[silk bane]

Wait, what's the personality matrix in this context? The shell?

[woven jasper]

Fellas, don’t engage with Bacchus.

[gray sluice]

Ok? It's not illegal to piss in gym showers but you don't see me doing it

[craggy tide]

who said we had fan fiction rules
this isn't roleplay

stop using nonsense, no one's replying to you bro

[woven jasper]

Yes. They’re part of the shell to keep us stable and why we have quips.

[woven jasper]

You just did.

[restive knoll]

Anyways

calling it now Konkoko from ONI is gonna pop outta cryo and put everyone in headlocks

[gray sluice]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[bronze quail]

LOL ok actually funny but you are equating pissing in a gym shower to using ai to discuss lore when no I'm not researching and typing that all out it's 2026 bish

[gray sluice]

Same slop

[outer wing]

Bingus my beloved

[bronze quail]

and this game has heavy dystopian and ai influence I actually think it's very apt

[distant cedar]

Wah
Who?

[gray sluice]

You are aware the game lore isn't ai created

The ais are written by humans

[deep solar]

Bungies PS2 game

[livid lion]

Bungie game “Oni”

[bronze quail]

and the argument we are having also like life imitating art imitating life it's actually kinda crazy

[gray sluice]

Bingus

[silk bane]

Oh interesting, is there a reference for this?

[distant cedar]

huh
They really like that 3-letter combination

[gray sluice]

Whats stopping us from just spamming this sticker

[woven jasper]

One of the devs spoke of it. Julia. I’m on my phone rn though. >.< Also should be in codex.

[twin trout]

wartime law

[silk bane]

Cool cool, I'll try find it

[deep solar]

I hope the Mida Multi or Mini Tool is in game secretly

[distant cedar]

It also supposedly makes Lobsters vary in colour (?)

[twin trout]

the stryder precision rifle

it's not the (real ai) powered scout rifle from d2 but it looks and performs identically gameplay wise

[bronze quail]

being unique and going against the grain actually makes you more human instead of conforming to the sheeple attitudes of those pretending they have hierarchy in a space where everyone is equal

[gray sluice]

Communist.

[deep solar]

I mean like the actual one, like to tie Marathon to Destiny

[bronze quail]

and standing up for what you believe with tenacity and a human will power even when you suffer to do so

[twin trout]

well it'd be a bit silly to tie the two together, no? x3

[silk bane]

Is there a Marathon version of Ishtar Collective? 😅

[bronze quail]

I relate to the runners

[gray sluice]

In pins

[bronze quail]

looking at pictures of when they were kids

is that me?

huh

[twin trout]

marathon is referenced so much in later bungie works because it was one of their earlier titles, it'd be silly to reference a title that actively exists and is being supported now X3

[silk bane]

Oh I actually meant if I could see in the in-game codex entries online somewhere

[outer wing]

Bingus theory: They are the re-incarnation of John Marathon and will bring the Marathon back to Tau ceti and make all the runners smile :3

[bronze quail]

the kid version of me would not hide their depression sadness anxiety to appear strong and fight

[gray sluice]

In pins 😭

The links

[bronze quail]

I'd rather be strong than weak and opressed begging for things to change

[livid lion]

Karnemir is working on it right now. Will be up soon

[silk bane]

I... don't see it on either site

[gray sluice]

Unless you're talking about the full 2026 codex that's not up

[distant cedar]

xd dont insult my people like that 🙃

[silk bane]

Gotcha

[gray sluice]

And I don't know if Bungie will take it down

[livid lion]

They won’t

[gray sluice]

They did say they were gonna take down spoilers

[silk bane]

If it's via the API, I don't think they would

[distant cedar]

B-but the Marathon IS at TCIV?

[livid lion]

Data mined stuff, not things you can find in game

[gray sluice]

Oh alr

Tbf I won't be looking at the codex cause it kinda removes the point of playing the game for the story

[restive knoll]

Yeah turns out the final line of Infinity was a typo

"YOU ARE BEST KITTY"

[gray sluice]

Karl Marx tag is crazy

[bronze quail]

baiting what exactly people being mad about me using ai to research lore?

[gray sluice]

Marxism is quite literally the peak worst feature of humanity and the consequences of capitalism

[bronze quail]

ok

[distant cedar]

It is unironically from a minecraft server 😭
I dont even play on that anymore i just nabbed the tag

[gray sluice]

Minecraft politics is crazy.

[outer wing]

That's the FAKE TCIV it's all a big dream shared by all the runner obv LOL

[gray sluice]

But wouldn't I dream of cats?

[twin trout]

does bingus dream of cats

[distant cedar]

Barely ever played on it 🤷‍♀️
But yes the minecraft commies are quite silly

[gray sluice]

Is bingus self aware?

[outer wing]

Do runners dream of electric binguses

[twin trout]

I do I do

[bronze quail]

this isn't even lore discussion clearly you are just enforcing community standards you made up for some kind of role of "enforcer" or political candidate trying to enact their own personal justice to create a space where they feel powerful likely because you lack control and power in your other affairs

[gray sluice]

That was what I was about to say😭 on the tip of my tongue

[twin trout]

yep mhm yuppers

[gray sluice]

Absolute ai

[twin trout]

it's funny what some people do for attention

[gray sluice]

Sybau bruh

[bronze quail]

haha I actually typed that out myself

[gray sluice]

Well done everyone has a first time for everything

Glad to of converted you

[distant cedar]

It aint a feature its a development of the scientific method but whatev
I mean if capitalism didnt want it it simply shouldve just stopped being class society

Abolish thyself or som shit

[gray sluice]

Talked about this last night

😭

[bronze quail]

language of a religious zealot

ai better than religion prove me wrong

[outer wing]

Kekekekeke

[distant cedar]

Too much talk too little time :despair:
I despise big discord servers for this

[gray sluice]

In its ultimate form the conscious betrays the needs of one's self and thus be an evolutionary fault

And the consciousness is the primary cause for "society"

But I don't wanna yap again

Just search In the message logs "conscious" and you'll get the gist

[distant cedar]

huh
Giving Blindsight vibes

[gray sluice]

Literally referenced that aswell😭

Where were you like 15 hours ago

[twin trout]

oh my gosh the firefall duology is SO goog

[distant cedar]

Obsessing over a steampunk airship builder game lmao

[gray sluice]

Echopraxia kinda mid tbh

Just my opinion

Ending was peak tho

[distant cedar]

Stop it my book list is already too long pfft

[twin trout]

I liked how it expanded on the vampires and such <w<

[silk bane]

I guess you gotta define consciousness for that claim, and even society maybe? Cause does it apply to corals, bees and ants?

[gray sluice]

Wait till you hear about blood meridian

[twin trout]

but ya it felt a lot more actiony and nonsensical than blindsight

[gray sluice]

Sorry I'm not getting into it rn

Just read back ig

[twin trout]

and also basically didn't mention blindsight at all X3

[gray sluice]

I don't wanna hold up the entire chat as well again

[silk bane]

I get it

I don't know if anything's being held up, but fair

[gray sluice]

Yeah but explaining allat is gonna take hours

Trust me it's a can of worms

[silk bane]

This is the lore channel, can of worms is all we do

But I'll let you go lol

[twin trout]

myea but tbf this has nothing to do with marathon lore X3

[silk bane]

No it could be, we've had a lot of conversations about tangential stuff here 😅

[outer wing]

Right can, wrong worms

[gray sluice]

Just read the logs man

I'ma head out rn going gym

[outer wing]

God speed runner 🫡

[calm snow]

How long did it take for the marathon ship to reach tciv

[distant cedar]

300+ years

[outer wing]

Was that with the gap from marathon losing contact with earth?

Also do we know how far TCIV is from earth or is it just "really fuckin far"

[woven jasper]

IIRC 12 light years.

[calm snow]

And how long has it been since the collapse of the colony?

Trying to get my timeline of the lore in order

[outer wing]

That's REALLY interesting then, that implies that FTL doesn't exist in the Marathon verse

[distant cedar]

100 years? Roughly?

Given the UESC took almost 100 years aswell to get a ship there

[woven jasper]

FTL Comms somehow exist though.

[distant cedar]

It does not and still doesnt but theyve learned to go a whole lot faster

[calm snow]

Oh so the uesc has their own ship as well, I just assumed the bots where already there from the start

[distant cedar]

But yes FTL comms and several forms of teleportation

[calm snow]

Whoops wrong reply

[distant cedar]

Equinimity

[calm snow]

The name of the ship?

[distant cedar]

Yuh

[outer wing]

FTL comms is neat though, my immediate thought is that you are either somehow "speeding up" light or maybe using some form of long distance quantum wave collapse

[distant cedar]

I dont know how the corpos got there tbh but it stands to reason they also sent a ship

[calm snow]

Yeah probably, we had a whole discussion on where we go and come from after the exfil

[distant cedar]

I mean yeah
They gotta print the shells somewhere

Which is making me wonder why the UESC hasnt blown us out of orbit yet

[rapid cave]

Yeah was about to ask the same thing, how did they manage to deploy shells in tau ceti and recieve mats from there? Is it all using the beam?

[twin trout]

or the armory x3

[outer wing]

Like you essentially make two connected copies of a qbit, and in the act of sending a ftl message, you collapse the wave and get the message

[distant cedar]

Lmao

yeah

[outer wing]

Cloaking/data obfuscation?

[distant cedar]

Probably

[calm snow]

The corporations are said to be working in a grey zone so the uesc can’t blow them out of orbit just yet

[twin trout]

it's proooobably to do with how the corpos have salvage rights? so like they can't directly interfere with corpo branded vessels but runners on field are fair game

[distant cedar]

People also theorised above that we might literally be on their ship through some backdoor deal from traxus but i doubt that

[distant cedar]

Or that yes

[rapid cave]

So all the corpos decided to build a ship holding their ais and our shell construction thingy and send it to tau ceti without the the UESC knowing?

[distant cedar]

Well the UESC obviously knows

[calm snow]

The uesc most certainly knows, they have salvage rights after all

[twin trout]

I mean whether the uesc knew or not it's not like they can do anything about it

[calm snow]

It’s just that the uesc dosent care once they are out of sol

[twin trout]

whilst the uesc does practice overreach it seems reluctant to do so here

[distant cedar]

But they are a state buerocracy they wouldnt lift a finger against a corporation as long as there isnt like proper buerocratic reason (or a threat to the solar system at large throug them)

[calm snow]

They’ll do anything short of actually attacking the corpos now that they’ve left sol to scavenge the remains of the colony

[distant cedar]

The overreach tends to not touch the people that they actually represent so yeah

[twin trout]

truuueee

[calm snow]

Again, we and the corporations are acting in a grey zone legally, so the uesc can’t do much but defend themselves

[twin trout]

also it's funny how the uesc are technically breaching wartime law with their combat ai robots x3

[rapid cave]

But they are actively sending bots. Im not gonna spoil when or how (since its in game) u directly get hunted by the UESC. so they came and are doing smth about u being there

[distant cedar]

Not like we have the tools to actually attack what i presume is some form of intersolar warship

[silk bane]

I'm surprised the corpos are putting so much stock in legalities. Isn't TCIV kinda lawless?

[outer wing]

This, my guess is that the UESC COULD blow us outta orbit but it would be such a legal NIGHTMARE that they just don't

[eternal shell]

that or they cant

[rapid cave]

Its under the UESC so I would presume laws exist

[distant cedar]

Just bad for business probably

[silk bane]

The colony has disappeared and there's no indication of a civilization that would care about legal proceedings

[distant cedar]

Dont they literally say your presence on TCIV is a breach of the law in the intro

[distant cedar]

uh
yu uh there is
back at Sol

[silk bane]

Like, this is prime territory for might makes right, considering other Bungie IP

[outer wing]

There's also probably a cost benefit thing, the UESC probably kills a LOT of runners, they can then grab the Salvage the runner accrued and ship it back to UESC or to their own ship for making more bots

[silk bane]

A century away

Atleast

[rapid cave]

Yeah exactly, and since then they start sending their clankers

[distant cedar]

Dont think that stops the UESC

[twin trout]

why would a uesc colony have no laws

that's silly

[silk bane]

A disappeared colony has no laws

[distant cedar]

they rightfully stole that not-a-moon and do not wish to share

[twin trout]

they are under uesc control so they presumably follow uesc law

[rapid cave]

Also i advise u guys to further the sekiguci quests u will see that UESC does infact not care about what happens to corpos

[distant cedar]

Point is they are not prosecuting us by vague colony laws but by UEG laws

[silk bane]

It logistically makes no sense. If someone breaks the law, do you yank them back to Sol?

[distant cedar]

No
You summarily execute them because they literally are just Biomata shells

[twin trout]

oh ya no I have no illusion that the uesc actually likes the megacorps both seem to be in effectively a proxy war with one another x3

[silk bane]

(I'm not condoning violence here, just to be sure. Simply curious about dynamics on TCIV)

[calm snow]

This will have no adverse effects on the environment of mars

[silk bane]

Sorry, I was referring to blowing corpos out of orbit, and ignoring a "grey zone" treaty

[rapid cave]

An authetarian regime will pick the easier option, delete them from exiatance

[twin trout]

it means the uesc get to kill you with impunity x3

[distant cedar]

Ah yes the age-old battle of Megacorporate Monopolies vs the Ideale Gesamtkapitalist

[distant cedar]

They were already starving anyway, what could go wrong-

[distant cedar]

I mean again they are adhering to their own laws

[woven jasper]

I’m from Mars and I say KILL ‘EM ALL.

[distant cedar]

People will complain about the MIDA regime hunting down collaborators

[silk bane]

If the UESC is authoritarian, it should ideally make more sense that the UESC destroy the corpos and keep the salvage for themselves. Obviously unless there's something for them to gain here too.

[distant cedar]

Little do they know, they too are enemies of the people

[twin trout]

tbf the mida regime promptly rolled over and submitted to the corpos x3

[distant cedar]

They got violently crushed

[twin trout]

the new mida are the true freedom fighters :3

[distant cedar]

Big L

[outer wing]

Mida are the "anarchist revolutionary" faction right?

Or am I mixing up factions

[distant cedar]

Shouldnt have just sieged the Marathon, took it immediately
Not isolate on Mars, spread the revolution

Im being facetious but they did fuck up

[twin trout]

myeas

[silk bane]

But why? They keep fighting these corpos with attrition, and the runners are gaining on their claim. Wouldn't that elicit a bigger response?

[twin trout]

instead of taking the marathon they decided to smuggle weaponised cyborg zombies onboard for some inane reason (why didn't they use them against the uesc????)

[silk bane]

Lawful in a lawless land for no reason feels hand-wavy 😅

[distant cedar]

To not get sued shitless back in Sol
Also i bet the second we will try to get shit back be it incriminating information they will step in

[outer wing]

Not necessarily, it could be a Status Quo type deal. They COULD go in with a bigger response, but it would take a LOT of resources and likely leave the UESC crippled at home so jts not worth it

[silk bane]

We're already kinda trying to board the Marathon right now, gonna be interesting to see how they respond

[woven jasper]

The UESC wants to enforce the law, but can’t do so totally.

[rapid cave]

Do u really think the government of multiple systems and planets will fear a lawsuit?

[distant cedar]

Ye
They went from being spanish syndicalist -esque revolutionaries to just pure Adventurism
Lets hope they stop limiting themselves to that

[silk bane]

I kinda agree here. That's a century of time for anything actionable.

There will be different people on each side of that timeline

[distant cedar]

Less a question of 1 and more multiple
It is all the major megacorporations bound up in this

[outer wing]

Depends on how MEGA the mega corps are

[twin trout]

it also means the megacorps can't deploy any official assets against the uesc, who is struggling against runners alone

[silk bane]

Do we know if there's any UESC presence on the Marathon?

[twin trout]

they send robots in but it's supposedly hard to get them back

[distant cedar]

Well the state doesnt exist in a vacuum, it does serve classes, even if authoritarian.
The UESC probably vacilitates between the different corpos, enorcing corporatist control over Sol whilst ofc taking a chunk of the profit (that is the administration)

Without the backing of atleast some of the corpos they will get replaced by a more amenable government, its why they are so cutthroat in trying to prevent that

[outer wing]

Also I can garuntee the UESC uses some Corpo contracts or resources. Like imagine of Microsoft just decided to NOT work with a government and ban all their products from being used by said government

[distant cedar]

Not yet (?)

me thinks

[silk bane]

Ah gotcha, so they're kinda out of the loop there too

[twin trout]

yea

orions says more or less that in a report

[rapid cave]

What i believe is that the UESC have ultimate control (once again if u guys further the sekiguci quests u will see what they will do) and us is the effort of all corpos to get whatever they want from tau ceti despite the UESC authority

[astral geyser]

do we have an offical timeline made by bungie I thought we did?

[rapid cave]

If I remember correctly we are like roughly 80 years after the main games or so? Could be mistaken tho

[astral geyser]

I was just hoping I could have a visual

[silk bane]

Well, that assumes that the current UESC is already in part favourable to corpos, which is in literal conflict with what's happening at TCIV. Could be a front, but I don't know for whom/what

[twin trout]

durandal must be bored out of his mind x3

[outer wing]

Is this a sequel? I thought it was a reboot

[silk bane]

There's a bunch of lore sites that may have it in some form, but this one seemed clean to me: https://taucetiiv.com/info/lore

Although it mixes timelines from all the games, so take it all with a pinch of salt

[distant cedar]

Being at Odds with individual corpos does not preclude their crucial role in making Corporate Rule in Sol at all possible

Without the UESC theyd likely have been screwed by Mida in the long run for once.
The corporations do need the long arm of the state even if that very arm has to against individual corpo interests from time to time for the benefit of the system at large

[karmic sleet]

They try, but from the lore - everything they send there doesn't make it out alive

[karmic sleet]

For now- they've halted investigations due to 'incidents'

[distant cedar]

I dont know what year the main games played in but around 2800

Currently we are around 2890 ish`?
Like the Equinimity was meant to arrive in 94 but somehow has been here since 88?
I just read snippets in the lore channel here though so 🤷‍♀️

[zenith nest]

what are the aliens on the marathon in the original games?

[distant cedar]

Their bots got recompiled lmao

[rapid cave]

But we know for a fact theres mida sympathizers everywhere, I mean thats the main THEORY behind how humanity made it out alive in the first place (Strauss)

[distant cedar]

I mean yeah

[karmic sleet]

yeah - thats what it sounds like lmaooooo, but honestly what the hell could be up there besides a compiler??

[distant cedar]

Opressive systems will breed resistance

[silk bane]

I guess it'll come down to specifics here. Who is at the helm of UESC, and what are they seeking at TCIV? I don't think that's answerable yet, afaik

[distant cedar]

Im still wondering if that compiler is even like, an actual Spht
Like species wise
Or if durandal straight up turned humans into compilers

[distant cedar]

🤷‍♀️ +

At TCIV its Orion

[fathom egret]

Do we know a bit more about the anomaly on dire marsh and what that entails?

[restive knoll]

Broadly, they're the Pfor - an intergalactic empire whose hobbies include hunting down ancient alien technologies, subjugating other species into slavery, and dumping BoBs into lava pits

[karmic sleet]

Yeah same - especially with the veiny design thing they did? idk if that was just a visual upgrade or if it means something.... although I think if the S'pht were around around, we would most definitely would know about it

[distant cedar]

Yu

and just the size of the thing alone

[karmic sleet]

But that begs the question.... why is a compiler even ON the Marathon

[distant cedar]

They enslaved the Compilers, several other species in their ranks and also tried enslaving the humans

[karmic sleet]

and how the fuck did it get there

We have not seen the Pfor yet either, again, you'll KNOW when those fuckers show up

[distant cedar]

I havent played far enough yet but i think one of the og games has an assault on earth being foiled before it could happen?

[zenith nest]

ah, they sound super nice...

[silk bane]

This would be the first time proper humanity comes into contact with the S'pht, right? I wonder how much more powerful the Runners would be than the MR54 😅

[distant cedar]

Depending on which timeline we are in their planet might have not been existing for a few hundred years iirc

[zenith nest]

Kind of hoping the Pfor have a bit more complexity compared to their original trilogy counterparts lol

[karmic sleet]

Im sure this takes place after the OG games

[zenith nest]

albeit, I only played for about 45 mins

[restive knoll]

I really wish I could embed images so I could show that one terminal image thats just a conveyor belt of bobs being dropped into lava

[distant cedar]

Well yes ofc it does but one of the plots ive heard of has them travel back in time to blow up the pfhor homeworld

[karmic sleet]

They will, it's like comparing old doom mobs to new doom mobs haha

[zenith nest]

imgur

[distant cedar]

I want to fight bug infantry again

[karmic sleet]

yeah, that was the security officer though

[distant cedar]

ofc

[karmic sleet]

hmm, i see what you mean

[distant cedar]

What did the yfeed those Battleroids man

[karmic sleet]

Omniscient AI

hahahaha

[distant cedar]

No wonder Strauss(?) thought 10 was enough to take control of the colony

[karmic sleet]

cracked out supersoldiers hahaha

[distant cedar]

lmao I need to see that

[karmic sleet]

who you think would win, a spartan or a battlroid

[distant cedar]

Given the feats ive only heard of so far

probably the roid

[karmic sleet]

correct

hahahaha

[distant cedar]

Spartans are still humans

[karmic sleet]

yep

[median grotto]

Where are Runners while the Shells are looting the colony?

[distant cedar]

In the shell?

[restive knoll]

On second thought I have been wasted many times by a regular vacuum bob from around a corner so maybe its anyone's game

[distant cedar]

Theres a backup in orbit but like
We do not exist as like actual humans anymore

[median grotto]

But the Shells are weaved by the little bugs from Sekguchi? aren't they empty shells?

ah i see

[distant cedar]

Wether our human bodies remain and where those are is another question

[median grotto]

no more hoomans, just brains

[distant cedar]

Living in da code

[placid quartz]

In the first game the signal that the cyborg player sends to Earth about the marathon being under attack was estimated to take 93 years. So that would be the intro news clip of the current game.

What's unclear to me is how long after the signal was received are Runners now being printed to Tau Ceti.

[restive knoll]

https://www.lhowon.org/terminal/marathon-infinity/18

okay so its more of an orderly line than a conveyor belt but they ARE being dropped into a lava pit (standard accessories on both human and pfor ships)

[distant cedar]

Lmao

Ofc they are
Cannot not torment the defending Battleroid(s) with their inevitable deaths

[distant cedar]

That just throws another jumble into the timeline

[livid lion]

It’s unclear whether or not those two things correspond. Regardless, our consciousness in on board a ship sent from the solar system in 2888/9, arriving 2893 and the reason for its launch was the discovery of Project Goliath, the initial rescue mission launched in 2797.

[distant cedar]

That or the UESC arrived alot faster than though

[fossil mango]

So Shadowheart is emotional support plushie? What a reincarnation)))

[distant cedar]

Yeah

But damn, just 5 years?

At that point FTL definelty is a thing

[livid lion]

It is but it’s recent

[silk bane]

Is this recently revealed? About the 2888 date?

[distant cedar]

The Pfhor attack was in 2794 (21 years after arrival)

Which is interesting cus i could be misinterpreting things but didnt the intro imply the distress signal having been sent prior to the Marathons arrival?

[tawdry nova]

@craggy tide ok, So I just read through like 4 pages confirmed denials on multiple dates during to rights issues thematic irreconcilable references and timelines and watched 3 hours of friggin lore videos.
Just like to formally apologize for the perceived argumentative nature and say holy fuck! bcuz now im with @gray sluice on what may be inside cryo....

[livid lion]

It was part of the first ARG

[gray sluice]

W

[silk bane]

Ah gotcha

[twin trout]

it's bingus

bingus is in cryo

[gray sluice]

No bingus is with me and he's MINE

[tawdry nova]

Its all the liquid cheeseburger source material which is leftover Bobs

[twin trout]

nyot if I have anything to say about it

[fierce glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-blink-blinky-blinky-bingus-gif-19598171

[gray sluice]

Yeah tbf you do know nucal recycles all biomass like the judge dredd food corpo

[distant cedar]

Lmao why is the battle of Marathon (the og) listed on the marathon wiki timeline

[gray sluice]

Canon to the first entry in the series?

[twin trout]

tick milk 🤤

[tawdry nova]

Which is why they want the bodies lol or theyre looking for them

[restive knoll]

Inside cryo will be a horde of skeletons from Pathways into Darkness

Your group's Triage will be buried under a barrage of femurs

[gray sluice]

Yh want bodies

Not canon but I'd reckon all crematoriums are just recycling plants

[distant cedar]

2886
July 26: Leela's light-speed warning sent in 2792 is scheduled to reach Earth.```
Slowest fucken light ever seen

[fossil zodiac]

Sheesh lmao.

[tawdry nova]

Im also under the assumption now, and agree w Jake that Nona is rampant AI due strictly to her comments on her own nature in conjunction w runners.

[distant cedar]

Where did they send it too that turned a 12 year trip into

93

[twin trout]

ai sends "slowest message ever" forced to be rewritten by aliens and then sold to some random scavenger

[distant cedar]

Tbh it arriving earlier (2806) would make alot more sense no?

[strong ether]

October 31, 2018. Satoru Gojo was sealed

[tawdry nova]

Thsts the message we receive that puts us at the beginning of the game no?

[craggy tide]

Retconned lore / old / ancient / vanished / irrelevant lore now

All those dates got retconned decades ago

tbh the new Marathon game really should just be a whole new Marathon rebooted universe 😳

it's how i'm treating it

[distant cedar]

Its the distress signal they got from the marathon mentioned in the intro cinematic

Assumedly, anyhow

2812
March 13: Humans on Tau Ceti IV are attacked with an unidentified biological agent.[6]
2827
December 21: Tau Ceti IV is attacked again by an unknown entity, causing humans to 'explode.'[6]```

Wild shit happenin on TCIV

[gray sluice]

Soylent green is people!!!!!

[twin trout]

you ain't from tau ceti if you ain't done this before! (violently ruptures)

[distant cedar]

I hope they dial the anomaly shit up to 11

(totally not desperately wishing for even vaguely STALKER-like experience in an extrac shooter)

[tawdry nova]

I want them to dial everything up to 11. Lol
So far the lore and play are hooking me.

[distant cedar]

Gimme emissions

[twin trout]

entering a gunfight with a random runner only to watch in horror as they are subsumed by a mass of boils and buboes and then explode

[distant cedar]

fr

[distant cedar]

Itsa the poison plants

clearly

fuck those

[fossil zodiac]

STALKER in space.

[twin trout]

one breath and I am CRIPPLED for 9 years

good thing you can disarm them I suppose

[tawdry nova]

Gotta get your resistance up or wear something specifically for it. It also helps raiding toxic rooms with no override card. Still need a mech kit tho unfortunately

[twin trout]

or ☝️ I can do nothing and be reduced to sludge :3

[livid lion]

She was confused, probably

[distant cedar]

There was a free extrac shooter that was sorta like this but more Outback kinda
But it had Emissions and everything

[fallen walrus]

Why do Runners go on Tau Ceti? What’s in it for them?

[twin trout]

money

[tawdry nova]

Charter appreciates your diligence

[distant cedar]

Money
They are debt slaves for all intents and purposes

[twin trout]

a lot of runners unironically do it for the love of the game too X3

[fallen walrus]

Why are they debt slaves?

[wind portal]

Are they stupid?

[fossil zodiac]

Corpo owns our consciousness.

[distant cedar]

They literally do not own their brains anymore and will not do so for the forseeable future

[twin trout]

being a runner means CyAc owns (partially or sometimes entirely) their consciousness

[fallen walrus]

Oh okay. Was this explained somewhere, I might have missed it

[distant cedar]

selling your conciousness to cover debts and become a comparatively well-paid work slave or mercenary is probably preferable to destitution or death

[fossil zodiac]

During the beginning of the game iirc.

[twin trout]

in the codex entry you get when you die

[distant cedar]

ONI literally tells us yeah

First quest or right after the intro

[strong ether]

October 31, 2018. Satoru Gojo was sealed.

[fallen walrus]

I understand. Is there an exact corpo that owns our consciousness?