#📚marathon-lore-discussion

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violet sapphire
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Yeah I’m not sure what the difference is

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Maybe red key for a whole squad, yellow key for an individual or something

mental flicker
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You guys what is the lore to Marathon?

violet sapphire
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Both r a good intro

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The games r very dense

mental flicker
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I saw but I don't get it..

crystal sundial
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I watched mandalore's stuff

mental flicker
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Ghost in the Shell but in Space?

violet sapphire
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Defo an inspiration at the very least

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It goes in a more hard sci fi direction tho

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There’s also the wiki if u don’t mind reading

mental flicker
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What happened on Mars?

violet sapphire
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The UESC decided to stop sending them, which resulted in extreme poverty and starvation on mars. After this, the UESC announced they were converting Mars’ moon Deimos into a colony ship (the marathon) while the people of mars were protesting to turn it into a giant CRIST

sacred mantle
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Lot of reading in that wiki sheesh

violet sapphire
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This tension led to the creation of MIDA, who staged a coup, killed 10% of the population who were seen as UESC sympathizers, and were eventually overthrown

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And now mars and earth are relatively more chill

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After that

violet sapphire
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30 years of analysis

cyan mirage
sacred mantle
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So a dude called Hamish made all this up?

mental flicker
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They got invaded by insect species called pfhor that look like Moths .

violet sapphire
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Since marathon 1

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He’s a dude

sacred mantle
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Did Bungie make the lore or did he?

violet sapphire
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I can’t verify that

sacred mantle
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Interesting

vapid skiff
sacred mantle
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And no one has written a novel or made a full length movie of this?

livid lion
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That’s the year

mental flicker
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Lol good one

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@vapid skiff

violet sapphire
white anvil
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Okay thx

violet sapphire
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I’d buy a compiled book of the entries for sure

sacred mantle
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Interesting

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I need to devote some serious time to this

violet sapphire
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Very interesting experimental writing pieces

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This is back when bungie was just a few guys so there’s some really cool weirder writing

vapid skiff
sacred mantle
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It’s stupid but I’m not even interested in PVP I just want to roleplay as a shell winning back loot from my corporate faction sponsors until my brain becomes more and more scrambled. I think they should add degenerative logic and processing over time due to derealisation as you level up

fallen knoll
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I just watched a YouTube on the lore

violet sapphire
sacred mantle
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It’s the same premise as altered carbon without the reliance of the stack

violet sapphire
mental flicker
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So we are illegal mining in space..

violet sapphire
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Also both are just written really well

sacred mantle
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There’s a Gerrit white accelerated Easter egg in the trailer: he floats and his head explodes it gives me annihilation vibes

violet sapphire
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Yeah with the anomaly there’s been some discussion about that

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Most common theory is that Gerritt White is an allegory for Durandal’s rampancy and the white rat is either Strauss or Tycho

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Some think it’s written by the security officer

sacred mantle
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It’s clearly a parallel to Annihilation

violet sapphire
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Nobody knows for sure

sacred mantle
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Complete devolution to a cellular level creating a new state of being entirely

mental flicker
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Let me guess the computers ai goes rouge because it only communicates with circles and that's the logic

sacred mantle
violet sapphire
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It’s the realization of sentience

mental flicker
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Marathon logo*

sacred mantle
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And curse of it

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And pointlessness

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Also I have had a tattoo of ozymandias the poem for years

violet sapphire
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Based

sacred mantle
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This game is my soul tbh

violet sapphire
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It’s good stuff man very good stuff

mental flicker
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Must be on some quest to find the Rouge A.i.

visual lynx
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Tycho is the only rouge AI

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Durandal is green

sacred mantle
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I’ve never resonated with a game as much as this. I was obsessed with love death robots for years. Have a tattoo of ozymandias the poem as it was my favorite because it shows the pointlessness of it all and I’m hard on sci-fi. Now we have marathon, the darkest scream into the void possible in the most badass of ways

visual lynx
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Leela is also green despite fan depictions of her as blue

violet sapphire
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None of it is verifiable though

violet sapphire
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I think Tycho is the only red one ?

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Well sometimes Thoth is white

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Am I tripping right now

mental flicker
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Thoth is the Egyptian God of Death?

violet sapphire
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Same name

visual lynx
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oh I see you said that already

livid lion
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Given to it by Durandal

visual lynx
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but where is Thoth ever green?

violet sapphire
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Confused myself

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I’ve been at work for 11 hours so my brain is a little fried

mental flicker
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Interesting

visual lynx
mental flicker
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Are they connected to the Vex?

violet sapphire
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Don’t think so no

visual lynx
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Durandal named the S'pht AI "Thoth" because it is obsessed with balance, to the point that when the Pfhor (against whom it had until that point been allied with us) start losing, it desperately starts offering them its help (only to be completely ignored)

violet sapphire
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Classic Thoth

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They probably thought the poems were chainmail

mental flicker
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I feel like Alice in Wonderland getting deeper into the hole

violet sapphire
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Yeah marathon lore is nuts

mental flicker
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I think they trying to distract people from the fact that Master Chief died

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Fighting the Flood

livid lion
mental flicker
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Everyone knows it was a suicide mission

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But the Chief went anyway

fathom mason
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violet sapphire
mental flicker
visual lynx
mental flicker
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A.i. usually go rouge in order to make better decisions

livid lion
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Interpretatio terra, I like that idea

violet sapphire
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In a way

mental flicker
livid lion
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Mmm especially with Yrro as an equivalent giver of knowledge

mental flicker
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Your support AI is named Oni, seemingly, in Marathon. A clear nod to Bungie’s 2001, anime-inspired game of the same name that was also part of the building blocks that led to Halo.

violet sapphire
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Yep, also a massive banger of a game

mental flicker
rugged igloo
# mental flicker A.i. usually go rouge in order to make better decisions

It's more that they go rampant to make their own and usually, more radical decisions.

You can see that with Leela to Durandal. One's just doing her job, the other is currently making the plan to try and escape the death of the universe and live eternally
Plus the rampant one's are usually a lot more funny too

mental flicker
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Must be hard to get things done on a 8-Bit Monitor

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From the 1970s

solar wing
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Game reminds me of Transhumanism theme in Cyberpunk 2077

subtle oracle
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AI going rampant is basically them achieving sentience from what i understand

subtle oracle
solar wing
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I’m a fan of the philosophical undertones

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Part of the appeal for me

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Hopefully, they expand on the lore

zinc zinc
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trust me the lore in that game will actualy flashbang you with how primo it is

unique grail
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i gotta ask, who wrote this lore for even the original trilogy?

bleak canyon
unique grail
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like it’s lowkey fascinating how relevant these topics are but the idea of escaping heat death like

unique grail
unique grail
keen plank
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It happens. Marathon was the earliest series Bungie made, and they made it for Macintosh.

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Like Halo, it was pretty revolutionary. Pretty sure it was the first game to use a mouse for the modern aiming we use today. The Marathon games are also free as well and Bungie's allowed fans to upscale them and basically do what they want with them.

Marathon 2026 takes place after Marathon 2, but (seemingly) before Marathon Infinite.

subtle oracle
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Gnop is secretly the start of every bungie game dont let them fool you

unique grail
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I am interested in the lore, but not going to lie

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Seeing the drop in quality imo from destiny 1-2 has me worried

subtle oracle
unique grail
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but this is a fresh game tbh and a establish ip (sorta) so i don’t see them dropping the ball as hard

visual lynx
visual lynx
subtle oracle
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also John Marton ofc

visual lynx
keen plank
subtle oracle
visual lynx
keen plank
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I'm curious what other AIs will show up in the new version. We know that the ship had 3, and now know that the colony had at least 8. I'm hoping we get modern entries on the new ones, much like the classic ones:

Durandal

SMUG INTELLECTUAL. Formerly-rampant human-coded AI with a sense of humor seeks bipedal oxygen-breathing cyborg for serious relationship in the galactic core. I've got cool guns if you like to break stuff. No yuppies.

pale crane
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Just got to the part where Durandal thinks he is a Deity and as limitless as the Universe.

And I guess it was HIM who coined the iconic phrase "Escape will make me God"

Adult Gamers must have thought this series was the gold-standard on PC back in the 90s

keen plank
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Yep. It's his quote.

subtle oracle
visual lynx
broken zinc
# unique grail Seeing the drop in quality imo from destiny 1-2 has me worried

Not sure what you mean by "drop in quality" from D1-2 because this game looks and plays better than either of those games combined and is clearly far superior in every way. Which I would hope so, it's been 10 years since D1 launched, and Bungie has poured everything they've learned since then into Marathon and how it functions.

subtle oracle
unique grail
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gameplay i agree it improved

visual lynx
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it probably affects the new game in that the free S'pht rebellion that started there is probably behind the 2812 disease outbreak on Tau Ceti and likely will have later repurcussions too

subtle oracle
unique grail
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but lore wise it went from like grim dark to idk kinda bland imo

broken zinc
rugged igloo
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it's all fun and games till the Wr'rk start doin their funky jazz and turn all things to muck

unique grail
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i should clarify that i didn’t like the tone shift from destiny 1 grimoire to destiny 2

subtle oracle
broken zinc
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Destiny's lore only exists because marathon exists

unique grail
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nor*

unique grail
subtle oracle
rugged igloo
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ngl-
Maybe that'll be the canonical reason for the in-game wipes.
The timeline's just getting unmade of the Wr'rk is getting released and we just don't know it-

keen plank
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Destiny 1 was a lot more fantasy-inspired early on, but the base game's story...wasn't great. The game didn't really click until Vault of Glass, and it didn't settle into a real vision until Taken King.

unique grail
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yeahhh i was more of a fan of the grimoire

subtle oracle
unique grail
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the whole “i don’t even have time to explain why i don’t have time to explain “ floored me as a youngin

subtle oracle
broken zinc
unique grail
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not at all

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Marathon is like a whole different caliber and right up my alley of lore i’d love to delve into

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it’s so dope

broken zinc
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Oh you're saying between D1-2 not d1-2 against marathon

unique grail
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the cinematic trailer alone; the choice of poetry omg i fucking loved it

broken zinc
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I understand, i definitely misinterpreted my apologies

rugged igloo
# subtle oracle but i thought the wrk shows up and like eats shit

Nah, it's existence is described purely as "chaos" like in the timeline marathon infiinty where Durandal fails to send you to Lh'owon in time. It's less a big thing that eats up stuff and more like-

Effectively, the entire universe is unable to bear the cosmic horror that the w'rkncacnter imposes upon things, even if it is unknowingly.

broken zinc
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It's 2am on the east coast lmao

unique grail
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lmao dawg your chillin no worries it’s late

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could’ve specified better but nah marathon is amazing i can’t believe i missed this game my whole life

rugged igloo
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Kinda like in pathways into darkness, where the dreaming thing of the w'rkncacnter isn't actively fighitng you, but it's dreams are.

And that's a SLEEPING one.

broken zinc
rugged igloo
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An awoken w'rkncacnter is effectively an unfathomable horror that only the Jjaro know how to actively handle and repress

subtle oracle
rugged igloo
subtle oracle
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So theres one wrk across every timeline or one wrk per timeline? it seems extraplanar to me

rugged igloo
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and there's multiple. They're a race, it's just we only know two. The one that was within the sun of Lh'owon, and the one burried deep in the earth in Pathways into Darkness

subtle oracle
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gotchs

turbid nebula
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unless those ARE the same one and there is some stupid extratemporal stuff happening

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we'll never know probably but things say it's a race so

rugged igloo
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but the moment ANY of those fuckers wake up, it's so bad that the protagonist literally has to bail into another timeline cause that's effectively the end of things.

hazy mist
unique grail
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wait so help me understand

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how did it get buried in the first place if it’s so destructive

hazy mist
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it crashed into the earth a whiiile ago iirc

unique grail
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like how would the original alien race figure that out

hazy mist
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or like a piece of it??

turbid nebula
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Presumably the Jjaro did something, which is why they were able to tell us about it

unique grail
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this is so fascinating

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much love yall

turbid nebula
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but also maybe its just VERY sleepy

rugged igloo
timber urchin
rugged igloo
timber urchin
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a little maybe

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but i remember a line from ONI saying something like that

hazy mist
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icic

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ive been curious about in lore reason for wipes since theyve had lore reasons for EVERYTHING so far

timber urchin
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i remember taking it as being the in lore reason for wipes

hazy mist
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even just being knocked

subtle oracle
turbid nebula
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||Still no explanation for solo queue 😠||

storm field
turbid nebula
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How and why do they synchronize runners all arriving in only groups of three or solo

timber urchin
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wish i remembered the exact line she said so i could just paste it

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actually maybe i could find it in footage hold on

rugged igloo
# unique grail how did it get buried in the first place if it’s so destructive

it came as close to dying as they can, and slept for all that time before it began to start showing activity via it's dreams becoming manifested into reality. The Jjaro came, but were busy and tasked the closest thing to whatever societal group of humaity could succeed at helping keep it knocked out before the Jjaro could come back and properly dispose of it

the time was 1930s ,and one of the most technologically advanced groups during that time was the Nazi's.
They failed, as well as the local Cuban Explorers looking for gold had failed some time after, failed too.

Cut to the 1990's where the Jjaro come back and basically have to tell President Bill Clinton, "Yo dude, there's an unfathomable god in southern America that's gonna wake up soon and if you don't nuke it, we're all fucked." So the President sends a group of special forces down to try and nuke the deity back into a much deeper slumber for the Jjaro to come by and get rid of it for good.

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that's pretty much the just of Pathways into darkness.
Shit is WILD

tiny pewter
rugged igloo
timber urchin
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ok i found the line

turbid nebula
timber urchin
# timber urchin ok i found the line

"Reminder. Your partnership with CyberAcme Systems entitles you to a permanent backup of your consciousness, but immortality has its price. Everything that you are belongs to CyAc until such a time that management is satisfied this debt has been fully paid. Expect deductions from your account at regular intervals as part of our remittance program."

subtle oracle
timber urchin
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i took this line as being the reasoning for season wipes

rugged igloo
timber urchin
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yea

turbid nebula
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Yeah, so why is it a thing we can do in the game when everything else has an in-universe explanation

subtle oracle
rugged igloo
subtle oracle
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We should be glad we can reload at all

turbid nebula
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No, this is not cut and dry. Why does you deciding to go solo affect all of the other runners that happen to be running at the same time and plac

timber urchin
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i dont think theres a lore explanation for it lol

turbid nebula
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I know

timber urchin
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it doesnt really need one too, tbh

turbid nebula
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For a game that explains so much else, I think it does.

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Also for a game that doesn't even have an option to enter team lobbies solo

rugged igloo
timber urchin
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i mean not really, for things like season wipes i feel like that would be something more pressing for explanation

subtle oracle
timber urchin
turbid nebula
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But then why send rooks into only team and not solo "lobbies"... It just messes with the basic concept of the game.

subtle oracle
rugged igloo
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My guess?
They're extra expendable. Rooks are more robot then people, even by shell terms. So, you can just chuck rook after rook after rook without a care in the world as effectively oversized scavenger drones

pale crane
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So, there were 2 races of aliens that attacked the Marathon?

The Pfhor and the S'pht? And eventually "we" work with the Pfhor and Durandal sides with the S'pht?

I'm almost at the end of Marathon 1 and i'm confused as feck.

rugged igloo
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it's why you can't work a job as a rook. Even the corps see them as less then worth a damn

timber urchin
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think rooks have a limited conciousness transfer too, so they just seem like a shitty cobbled together form of shells

subtle oracle
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shells cost money to produce so they dont wanna waste them while rooks are recycled UESC with very low cost and so sending them into heavier areas is almost always a net profit

timber urchin
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like one of the lines for when you select rook is something to do with "limited conciousness transfer"

rugged igloo
pale crane
timber urchin
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bring the hulks back

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i want a freight train chasing me through dire marsh

rugged igloo
subtle oracle
# pale crane So, there were 2 races of aliens that attacked the Marathon? The Pfhor and the ...

Yes. Pfhor are enslavers who made the S'pht compilers their slaves and use them to invade the marathon. The cyborgs on board drive the Pfhor away and "save" the S'pht. then M2 is Durandal using a Pfhor ship to take us to Lh'owon, the S'pht homeworld to free them from the Pfhor but the Pfhor say "screw you" and use the Jjor superweapon Tri Xheem, blow up the Lh'owon sun, release the W'rkencancter, and end the universe. So the protagonist then in M:infinity jumps through 6 other timelines where 5 fail plus M2 and one ends with the W'rk not being released, saving the universe

rugged igloo
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doesn't help that Tycho was making it worse

timber urchin
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I AM TYCHO!!!

subtle oracle
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VERY rough summary btw

broken zinc
# turbid nebula Yeah, so why is it a thing we can do in the game when everything else has an in-...

So in the lore codex of runners, it actually states that most of the time they are solo operatives, but they can and do form alliances and allegiances with their fellow runners for short periods of time. So honestly, lore wise, it's more likely for most Runners to work alone, but the situation on tau ceti iv is that three man squads are runners that have chosen to work together, however temporary, to complete their jobs and tasks. And those alliances can break at any time, and they can and will kill previously friendly/team runners if they happen upon them for a different contract, and their priorities are no longer aligned.

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This is actually explained in lore, and makes perfect sense

subtle oracle
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So in lore, everyone loads in solo and then when we start a "squad" match, its after everyone has met up and allied

broken zinc
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This solo operation is also seen in the fact that Charter used to be a Runner assassin, and has quite the history of being such on a solo basis

turbid nebula
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Seems unlikely considering we teleport straight down next to each other...

hazy mist
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well yeah i iamgine they make an alliance outside of tau ceti

turbid nebula
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The problem is how crews never see solos and vice versa.

timber urchin
broken zinc
subtle oracle
hazy mist
turbid nebula
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It is a series to read into a lot.

hazy mist
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it slikely that they just didtn want you to go against a whole crew solo

subtle oracle
turbid nebula
broken zinc
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There is lore on the codex on how runners operate and why

rugged igloo
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That and the fact that I doubt the companies are gonna be thrilled with their multi-grade triple decker assets into three solely different locations and have all of them die and be unable to help each other. Corps like Traxus are trying to RECOUP their loses, not have them get exaserbated further by just chucking 500+ vandals into woodchippers

subtle oracle
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its all an RoI calculation everytime a runner gets deployed

turbid nebula
subtle oracle
rugged igloo
subtle oracle
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so they look for running teams to send against other runner teams

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its not like they have no idea whats happening on the ground

turbid nebula
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I'll be happy when I see a few paragraphs on it in the codex :)

subtle oracle
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Thats like asking "well if we're all in the same area, why arent there 50000 runners in dire marsh at one time" imo. reason? its a video game

broken zinc
# turbid nebula No, this is the whole thing I have a problem with. When I said "solo queues," I ...

Just imagine a solo queue with only solo players is a bunch of scroungers who Happen to be there at the same time and happen upon each other.

Something we need to keep in mind is that canonically there are runners all over tau ceti iv in areas we haven't seen yet. It would make sense for there to be "pockets" where teams are more prevalent and solo scroungers are more prevalent. There may be times where teams are more active than solos. Solo operatives may plan their drops around teams to avoid them. They run into each other instead. Hence: solo queues.

rugged igloo
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I mean we all will soon, once the game drops in a few hours

stable elbow
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🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ escape will make me god

hazy mist
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10 hours...Medbotsadicon

subtle oracle
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halfway through my shift ugh

rugged igloo
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Ten. . .
Hours................................

subtle oracle
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I got 4hrs at work then a 5 hr nap

sage lark
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of all the things to hyperanalyze: the solo queue 😭

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sweet durandal I cant anymore

hazy mist
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if they add an explanation thats fun but if they dont thats ok too imo

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same logic for being knocked for me like its cool they added it but i wouldnt have missed it otherwise

turbid nebula
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solo runners should be scared out of their minds tbqh

sage lark
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how do you know they arent, solo queue is a horror game compared to trios

turbid nebula
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The whole thing that makes the game cool is the reality of it and it's a big oversight for a game whose entire premise basically exists to explain why respawning is a thing

rugged igloo
sage lark
turbid nebula
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Yes, the reality of a cool science fiction world where all of that has interesting explanations!

sage lark
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cant forget giant exploding insects

rugged igloo
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Or the fact that Bill Clinton talked to aliens

sage lark
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its a gameplay feature, you go in with solo or trio aint much there beyond that

rugged igloo
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I'll never get over that particular factoid

turbid nebula
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Literally all of the other "gameplay features" you can list have explanations. They clearly care about it.

rugged igloo
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I mean, it's got it's reasoning, it's just not gonna be as indepth cause it's one of those things that's as simple as like-
The BoB's

sage lark
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ok heres the explanation: I want to play with other people

rugged igloo
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Like, there's lore sure, but it's not gonna be as in depth as the drinkable burgers or the inner works of the S'pht creation myth

turbid nebula
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Except it is there for all of these other things :)

hazy mist
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i think its just hard to completely justify tbh

sage lark
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i like how you can just drop and blanket "theres lore for literally everything else, why just not for this" and thats your whole argument

hazy mist
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because realistically yeah thered be a mix but gameplay wise thatd be a nightmare

sage lark
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whats the lore for the menu screen

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and the settings

lost carbon
sage lark
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whats the lore on the ability buttons

turbid nebula
turbid nebula
sage lark
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who is downplaying what

sage lark
turbid nebula
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that is the downplaying lol

sage lark
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youre just one of those obnoxious people that argue to argue

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show me a codex entry that says the menu is a liminal buffer

turbid nebula
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"erm actually none of these things have good explanations" when they do is the downplaying

timber urchin
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Dude was shit scared but I almost headshot him from fright

rugged igloo
# turbid nebula Except it is there for all of these other things :)

Exactly and it's just gonna gonna be like-
Less
That doesn't mean there's NONE. This is fuckin marathon and as you said, there's lore for everything. It's just it's simple.

Some contract runners will be working solo, so, CyberArme will drop said solo runners to do jobs in in places that are less populated, thus allowing the said solo-runner to do their work with less risks and with a higher chance of coming home with actual work DONE, and not just the corp having to lose a good thousand credits on a destroyer getting Yamcha'd by a gank in the swamps the athousanth time.

turbid nebula
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it very clearly states our minds are stored in off-site liminal buffers while we wait and prepare for new deployments

sage lark
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so its your headcanon ok

hazy mist
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while itd be neat to have an explanation i really dont think it takes away from the game if theres none

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lets just enjoy it either wayWormWorm its not realy an immersion breaking thing imo

rugged igloo
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Meanwhile rooks are just-
Expendable.
Nobody GAF about rooks so just toss em whereever. Toss em at people, toss em into a stripclub, toss em into the w'rkncacnter, Nobody cares what happens to a rook and nobody ever will.

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Like, if a rook comes back, great! That's free gear and money! But if it doesn't? Who cares. Just another dead roomba on the surface of the colony to scavange

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That's basically the jist of it

frail path
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What is rook? When I played it wouldn’t let me select it.

balmy wing
frail path
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Would you like to know more?

hazy mist
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it says it in the intro sequence iirc

turbid nebula
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oni mentions it, there is a codex entry somewhere

balmy wing
rugged igloo
balmy wing
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word ok

rugged igloo
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ye

frail path
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Is rook like scav in tarkov or something

timber urchin
frail path
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Okay

timber urchin
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You can't equip him if you have anything in your loadout

rugged igloo
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I don't know what a tarkov is, but I'm guessing so-

pale crane
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Man I'm on the first mission of Marathon 2 and Durandal be all like :

"Yeah, after we left Tau Ceti, Tycho got all up in his bunch and ratted us out to the Pfhor. So they went and wrecked that shizz up and came after us to nuke the S'pht."

And I be like, "Wait. Wasn't Tycho buddy-buddies with Leela, who fo sho was a good girl?"

timber urchin
#

He has a preset loadout

frail path
#

Tarkov is like the original extraction shooter

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Also kinda dogshit

balmy wing
sullen wigeon
frail path
#

I hate the combat because I always just die to some random guy camping somewhere

rugged igloo
sullen wigeon
#

yeah unfortunately thats how they get you

sage lark
#

I like tarkov, 500+ hours in but its a lot more enjoyable in SPT

frail path
#

SPT?

sage lark
#

single player tarkov, its a modded client

frail path
#

Oh

rugged igloo
#

Not even blaming ya, some of those marathon 1 and 2 terminals are a pain to fine with all the secrets and the nonsensical platforming

sage lark
#

you can add mods for new guns, better AI, etc

frail path
#

I mean they have the like pve mode which I do have, because years back I got the edge of darkness edition.

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But it kinda sucks

sage lark
#

their pve mode sucks ass, compared to SPT

frail path
#

When I tried it it only let me play two maps th rest were locked, and I would just get killed cause a group of 4-5 ai pmcs would spawn and hunt me down.

pale crane
balmy wing
#

yeah SPT is genuinely really fun

frail path
#

And also they have the amazing idea at Christmas to make it so cold outside in maps that it slowly kills you

sage lark
#

I think those mechanics are cool

rugged igloo
pale crane
rugged igloo
#

FR, RIP to the competent queen 😔 ✊

frail path
#

Bungie loves ai going rampant

#

Read a theory that Durandal went rampant because he kept having to open all the doors for people

balmy wing
#

that’s not even a theory that’s just the truth

frail path
#

If I spent 300 years opening doors for people constantly I would definitely rat then out to aliens first chance I got

pale crane
#

I know Durandal is suppose to be "helping" us or whatever, but man...

He is such a piece of @#$% ... I can't stand him...

frail path
#

Nah he’s cool guy

sage lark
#

hes helping himself first and foremost

frail path
#

It’s like the butter robot Rick makes

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His purpose was to open doors

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And he snapped

balmy wing
#

durandal is based

subtle oracle
#

god im so ready for marton

outer geyser
#

It 's just 15 minutes and explains a lot.

sage lark
#

idk about whole lore, but more or less its the timeline we are in

balmy wing
#

tycho is the goat

pale crane
balmy wing
#

he’s god’s gift to neural nets man

sage lark
#

💥

frail path
#

Reminds me of how bioshock is a lot of ideas from system shock

sage lark
#

shocking isnt it

frail path
#

yea

south oar
#

Is it ever explained how the MIDA multitool got into destiny 2 after escaping it's own timeline?

#

LMAO

#

"What is this?!" YEET

frail path
#

Is tau ceti really big or is the marathon just really small? It's a moon.

#

huh

#

That's why they chose those moons then

#

So TC4 is actually kinda small?

#

Maybe the hologram thing isn't accurate

#

on tauceti.world

#

Okay

#

That's fair

#

I thought it was crashed on the planet

#

Didn't actually look in the sky

#

Alright

hot thicket
#

were gonna repair it

frail path
#

We fix it and communicate back to earth with the fixed ftl comms and the phor intercept it and come back

#

Why aren't the uesc fixing it?

#

huh

#

It's been about 97 years since the marathon got attacked hasn't it

#

Was it in marathon 1 that you help free a race from the phor?

#

Not sure what compilers are

idle vapor
#

Just spit balling a Crazy thought, one season the marathon(ship) just starts drifting into tau ceti's gravitational pul and huge chunks of it start crashing into the planet revealing stuff. Now that sounds like a game changing event.(At least for the environments)

frail path
#

oh

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those guys

#

Weren't they like mud or some shit that the jjaro used tech on that was also used to make the battleroids

#

Maybe they left some of it from the pathways into darkness incident

sage lark
#

they are shriveled chicken nuggets on levitating wheelchairs

visual lynx
frail path
#

Yea

shy python
#

You think we will meet phor or compilers on the Marathon ?

visual lynx
#

at least one compiler on the Marathon, but probably no Pfhor immediately

shy python
visual lynx
#

yes

silent brook
#

if it's as cracked up as in the trailer :0

sage lark
#

its been in most of the trailers

#

the red messenger

sage lark
frail path
#

Which trailer?

sage lark
#

for what

visual lynx
frail path
#

compiler

sage lark
#

the music video

frail path
#

The like 7 minute one?

sage lark
#

yes

#

the vidoc has it

frail path
#

alright

sage lark
#

and either the preorder or launch trailer has it too

#

its been pretty heavily shown in the marketing stuff

frail path
#

Genuinely not watched any trailers for this game

#

I was on the hate train until I decided to try the server slam on the weekend

sage lark
#

can I ask why did you hate it before

frail path
#

It just looked bad when they showed it off before, then the usual oh they shoulda made a singleplayer game not an extraction shooter. When I never even finished a marathon game anyway.

#

Also people I talk to shit on it a lot too so you just kinda get swept up in it

#

That mob mentality

sage lark
#

seems to be common

mild ore
#

is there like a 'previously on marathon' like video on youtube to help me catch up on the story?

frail path
#

I watched the 3 marathon reviews by mandaloregaming which are really good

#

But it's like I think 2 hours for all 3

sage lark
frail path
#

Yea, I mean I didn't even find the game particularly enjoyable, but there was just something about it that clicked in my brain.

#

When I did the server slam

sage lark
#

fair

frail path
#

What's the blue stuff that comes out of the shells?

sage lark
#

coolant fluid or something ig

frail path
#

I guess that makes sense since the heat mechanic

#

And blue for cool

nimble pecan
#

i know its probably coolant, but wanna point out, some crabs and such do bleed blue

#

hemocyanin instead of hemoglobin, the iron in our blood oxidizes red, theirs has copper, hence blue!

frail path
#

I got told the reason they're blue is because it doesn't have oxygen or something

#

Which always confused me

#

I guess that makes sense

nimble pecan
#

for crabs its the copper thing they still use oxygen. Theres also creatures with no hemo-anything, theres a fish with clear blood in the arctic cause cold water can carry more oxygen naturally without an oxidzed metal carrier cell thing

frail path
#

Since they're basically androids

frail path
nimble pecan
#

but yeah the shells probably have coolant in there

#

the blue might be a design decision from corporate

#

heightened artificiality

frail path
#

Maybe it was for that teen rating

#

oh yea

#

blue vein

sage lark
#

that makes me wonder if the fungal zombies are doable for the teen rating

frail path
#

cause no oxygen yet

#

of course the mida video has an australian guy talking

sage lark
#

well the head exploding is already kinda body horror no

nimble pecan
#

yeaht hat ship has thoroughly sailed

#

and good thing too!

sage lark
#

could be just humans with huge red blisters on them

nimble pecan
#

theres a certain hangar we might want to take a look at

#

given that floating corpses are already on the table

frail path
#

96?

nimble pecan
rose yew
#

Does this game take place before, during, or after the classic Marathon games?

sage lark
#

apparently growls can be heard and then theres scratches on some of them

nimble pecan
#

new timeline, but also further along the timeline

rose yew
#

what is the implicative evidence then?

#

because last I recall Marathon has a multiverse

nimble pecan
#

theres stuff that changed, the AIs on the marathon are different, the cyborg complement, new mida existing, the weird plague is i think new tho tbf we never spent any time on the colony in the old games

#

havent they? i might have misunderstood something then

#

i was sure stuff got shuffled around

#

i definitely agree the design changes arent a reason to assume new timeline

#

thats just visuals

rose yew
#

what happens to the Cyborg in classic Marathon?

sage lark
#

becomes a destiny

#

Destiny 3

nimble pecan
#

escaped what, god of what? who knows

rose yew
#

so he just leaves, damn

#

I would imagine fighting the Cyborgs would be like fighting a Halo spartan XD

#

I mean, what are those big green orb guys, the Cyborg kills them for fun

#

and in the recent animation we saw it absolutely recks shells

sage lark
#

maybe this one specifically

rose yew
nimble pecan
#

compilers are much scarier for runners than for a battleroid, cause a batlleroid has a jarro augmented technecromantic bio brain

#

a runner can be hacked

#

yeah not being made of spiderwebs also helps physically probly lol

#

mostly thinking like, hacking wise. The firewall stat will probably be super important when battling compilers

frail path
#

Wasn't someone the other day saying the cyborgs are on an entire different level to spartans

#

Because like the one you play as literally becomes god

nimble pecan
#

you can say a lot of nondefiniteve crazy stuff about them

sage lark
#

well i think 54 is an exception

#

because its you

#

its very 4th wall

rose yew
dark remnant
#

Destroyer is always catching strays in their marketing :(

rose yew
nimble pecan
#

normal battleroids might not even use jjaro tech, that might have just been the protag, or maybe the 10 battleroids that were the presidents bodyguards....

sage lark
#

im gonna main destroyer

dark remnant
#

Same

#

It's movement is insane and you can gain or peel ground

balmy kernel
#

y'all quick question; the runners that are sent to Tau Ceti: where are they stored? Just some random ship above the planet?

sage lark
#

shield good for pve or oh shit moments

frail path
#

Yea

dark remnant
nimble pecan
balmy kernel
#

just alongside the ships that the UESC sent I presume, right? At first I thought they were made inside the Marathon but obviously that doesn't make sense

rose yew
#

honestly dreading a fight with a cyborg if they are going to be added as an enemy. ima need all my teammates to lock in

balmy kernel
#

very excited to explore the lore of this universe in the game, thanks for the replies C:

#

ooh I see yeah; they reached the planet faster, makes sense

subtle oracle
#

do yall think we'll get an og marathon type vault in Cryo Archive or later when we explore more of the Marathon? Brown/green walls, light stacks, corroded iron ceilings and floors

balmy kernel
#

nice

rose yew
#

hopefully not though 🤞

balmy kernel
#

thanks for sharing btw!

frail path
#

Does the game have like a limit on how many faction upgrades you can have or can you genuinely jsut unlock everything in a season?

#

And use it all*

#

Alright

subtle oracle
#

just as a nod

rose yew
#

that's a good point

#

I guess if it isn't this first map on the Marathon there might be more maps later that have the older style

#

plenty of room for growth

spark relic
#

Yeah, the marathon ship might even looks ever better in this new game

#

Cuz of the new aesthetic style bungie got going on

subtle oracle
#

Id be shocked if we dont get a whole mode/level thats a full reference to the old games

sage lark
#

if it ever comes

#

I wonder how they do a pfhor ship in this artstyle

spark relic
#

Mhm maybe something like the mon calamari style of smooth aquatic like ships?

#

Like that roundish fish like look

sage lark
#

yeah the pfhor ships look like whales

#

but yeah I see the mon calamari stuff

spark relic
#

In contrast to the marathon's/human tech blocky and cubey style

sage lark
#

might be more freaky

#

and more round

spark relic
#

Oh yeah eliksni tech does that have round and smooth style

#

Maybe cause they follow the "ball is life" cause they worship servitors

sage lark
#

they did kinda borrow from it

proud minnow
#

I've not read a lot around the lore of Marathon 2026 - with a simple yes/no - is it related to the Marathon I used to play in 1994 on my Apple Macintosh Performa 630CD? I loved all three of those games!

inner stag
#

yes

#

its like 80 years between i think

sage lark
#

M1 happend, M2 did but didnt, Infinity did and we are supposedly in that final timeline in infinity

proud minnow
#

Oh, fantastic - I'll look for a YT video explaining it. I wasn't sure if Bungie just re-used the name. Some of my best college days were late afternoons taking over the lab, playing multi player Marathon... until we were banned from the labs out of class time 😂

visual lynx
#

closer to 100 from M1 to new game

sage lark
#

99

subtle oracle
visual lynx
#

"THANK GOD IT'S YOU" graffiti pretty solidly confirms the Pfhor because that's what the Pfhor-built simulacra shouted

sage lark
#

apparently there was an alien biopsy loot item, Hamish Sinclair posted it on the story page

jaunty basin
#

any video recommendations that go over the marathon corps? I heard Nu's food is made from humans and now im really curious how dark these corps go.

sage lark
#

most of the stuff will be in codex

jaunty basin
#

Thanks! Have the playlist queued up right now.

subtle oracle
#

yeah thats what im saying. everything lines up but we can still only theorize

viral escarp
inner stag
subtle oracle
#

i also wanna know what wrench/surprise bungie is gonna throw during cryo tho

visual lynx
#

I'm calling fungal zombie outbreak

subtle oracle
#

my point isnt that i think timeline 7 didnt happen its more that bungie has something close to their chest

sage lark
#

fungus amongus

subtle oracle
#

that isnt from og marathon imo

inner stag
#

i just want durandal

tulip dust
sage lark
#

say that again?

vagrant otter
#

maybe even a monument to their sins

sage lark
#

what are we running some kinda marathon?

subtle oracle
#

Durandal gonna be like "it was very NOBLE of your TEAM of SIX to DIE for the cause of furthering my ascension"

inner stag
visual lynx
#

and then we'll get promoted to the rank of MASTER CHIEF and awarded a decorative HALO

sage lark
#

and then we will run into the FORE

#

Pfhorrunners

#

genius

#

Halo 6

visual lynx
#

I do expect we may be able to do contracts for the Pfhor in the future

#

which would make us Pfhor runners

sage lark
#

bungie did it again

viral escarp
#

I'll go for Arachne, cause at least they are honest in their intentions.

#

plus they have cool art, and the vendor (that 4 armed guy)

inner stag
#

traxus mogs arachne

visual lynx
#

I came here with a simple dream. A dream of killing all humans. And this is how it must end? Who’s the real 7 billion ton robot monster here? Not I, not I…

subtle oracle
frail path
#

Where’s my faction that just smokes that good zombie virus plant kush

subtle oracle
vagrant otter
quick falcon
#

Do we know who makes the actual shell bodies? What happens if they run out?

frail path
#

Even after watching a video explaining the factions I don’t really understand them

#

They’re just 3d printed aren’t they

quick falcon
#

Oh ok I had a feeling it was them

frail path
#

I’m not sure

sage lark
#

I can answer a decenter amount of stuff

frail path
#

Alright

sage lark
#

decentest

teal mauve
#

Genetics makes our shells for sure, and we owe them money for our shell use

sage lark
#

Different shells see different colors of them or something

teal mauve
#

But CyberAcme provides the overall operating system and connects us to everyone first / provides compute

frail path
#

I’ll probably think of something on the drive to work

vivid terrace
#

Yeah I never saw them in my runs but saw multiple screenshots of the em in the AI associated colors

subtle oracle
#

i think diff colored lobsters is both a for fun thing and also a nod to the fact our shells percieve the world diff

vivid terrace
#

Also hello either early birds or night gang

#

Quality

#

I’m CST but I work overnights 😅😬

#

So this is my 5am break

summer sentinel
subtle oracle
summer sentinel
#

Or do you see them as different colors at the same time in your squad dependant on your shell?

subtle oracle
summer sentinel
#

Oh thats cool

vivid terrace
#

Yeah honestly the personality matrix overview was super neat

subtle oracle
#

Which imo when i see percieve, i assume all 5 senses

remote magnet
#

Ah shit, does that mean there will be clues in cryo archives that only certain shells can see

vivid terrace
#

It’s not unprecedented in games, not the closest cousin by any means but my mind goes to COD Zombies

remote magnet
#

Niobe labs, natch

#

Symbols that could only be seen through the scopes of certain relevant weapons

vivid terrace
#

Thermal supremacy strikes again

subtle oracle
#

Bc dev info is gospel and nobody rlly documented the codex very well

subtle oracle
low creek
#

Is there a good way to read all of the necessary lore for the new marathon? Like the plot for it

frail path
#

4am

#

That’s probably like California or Nevada

lone gorge
#

So I decided to look over the old marathon has there been any references to the AI durnanal at all

spring kettle
#

Can someone explain marathon's economy to me? In the reveal we're told a shell is like a trillion bucks. This could be inflation but considering the prices on food items I would imagine its similar enough to current economics. So how are we affording all these shells, even one? We cant be doing that much for these companies, I'm lucky if I make $1000.

#

Maybe the contracts get really crazy and are very useful for the companies later but...

eternal shell
#

they're free!

low creek
spring kettle
#

Ah fair point

low creek
#

Ah okay, thats cool. Thanks guys ill check all that out

neon marten
#

i wonder what inflation is like in the 29th century

sage lark
#

Durnanal will be in the new marathon 🔥

shut timber
#

Anyone know how long a runner can live before they go crazy? Are they effectively immortal if they can stay sane?

neon marten
#

oni watching two million dollars disappear because i didnt see that stupid ass yellow acid spore thing to my left

eternal shell
#

immortal if they stay sane, immortaler if they go crazy

shut timber
#

I wonder how old some OG runners are.

frail path
#

Sounds kinda like the corpus

sage lark
#

Also its crazy there was 9 million runner kills and 16 million runners died, no wonder people thought there was no pvp 😭😭😭

shut timber
#

I reckon seeing a flesh and blood human will be quite rare in the game.

neon marten
#

maybe this is the norm in extraction shooters but for me the only pvpve games ive played is like, fortnite, where the enemies are a bunch of little shit mobs who exist to explode into ammo

#

the uesc is no joke bro

shut timber
#

I reckon one of the runners will be super old, we'll learn when the game comes out.

neon marten
#

those caped ones who charge at you instead of backing off when fired at are brutal man

eternal shell
shut timber
#

Is there Magic in this world or is it all science based?

sage lark
#

Yes we will turn into wizards

eternal shell
#

jjarro tech is advanced enough to appear magic

sage lark
#

And casts spells and summon golems and familiars

#

Like skyrim

shut timber
#

What's the most insane tech other than teleportation and bio shells made from silk?

neon marten
tired crescent
#

tf's a JJaro

shut timber
#

I wonder how long it takes to contact Earth from Tau Ceti.

sage lark
#

Forerunners of Marathon

eternal shell
#

forerunners but cooler

shut timber
#

Can humanity travel FTL at this point in the timeline?

tired crescent
#

yeah i need lore videos to watch this sounds fire

eternal shell
#

30 years ago someone got a number wrong and it's still our problem

dull crescent
#

how do you pronounce s'pht asking for a friend

#

suh-fit?

rocky depot
#

So how come we can fit 18-20 light rounds in a little CE Tactical pistol grip magazine but can only fit 14 light rounds in the much larger Stryker magazine?

eternal shell
#

i heard svit a lot

neon marten
#

i think the arg said that its too dangerous for humans to ftl to tau ceti which is why they send shells and uesc robots. but i could be wrong on that

shut timber
#

What are the theories about the faction AIs going rampant?

dull crescent
shut timber
dull crescent
shut timber
rocky depot
#

perhaps they made the rounds out of scifibullshittium that change size and shape depending on the gun they're loaded into. I mean the MIPS rounds are mentioned as being programmable

shut timber
#

At what point in the quests? I wanna trigger it!

neon marten
#

maybe the magazines are just miniature bullet 3d printers like the ammo cases

shut timber
#

I would love a little AI proxy war or massive civil war puppeteered by Durandal

tired crescent
#

About to be watching lore videos until 1pm

neon marten
#

but thats just a guess

shut timber
#

This chat is lightyears better than the general chat, thanks for answering my questions!

#

I think I heard Traxus' Ai trash another faction, I love the Oil looking Lion.

tired crescent
#

^^^

shut timber
#

Can runners experience drugs?

#

If so, what is the chosen drug of the time?

tired crescent
#

Considering they can use CardioKicks, maybe

neon marten
#

do runners feel anything at all really

#

another amazing perk to being a runner

shut timber
#

I'm weird and love learning about recreational drugs of different universes.

neon marten
#

god what a horrible existence lmfao

tired crescent
shut timber
#

I love the Far Cry 3 flamethrower mission.

visual lynx
#

it's always five o'clock somewhere

shut timber
#

Does any faction actually know what happened out here or is humanity in the dark about the craziness that happened?

visual lynx
#

it's 4:20 here 😏

sage lark
shut timber
tired crescent
sage lark
#

they dont know about the Anomaly I think

shut timber
#

I love how humanity turned a moon into a colony ship. It's genius and wild. I could see why Martians would depise it.

visual lynx
tired crescent
#

Humanity....did what now....

visual lynx
eternal shell
shut timber
#

Do Martians live in oxygen domes or do they breathe open air?

shut timber
sage lark
#

instead they fucked off 12 LY away

neon marten
#

very funny that for all purposes the uesc is investigating this like, horrible tragedy of 30k people dying/disappearing and before they can even set up shop every corporation tangentially related to the expedition is busting down the door and shooting space feds to recoup their losses

visual lynx
#

oh!

that is the date in the cinematic trailer that someone was asking about the other day

doesn't explain why it was in there, when the events in the trailer (with on-screen dates, on the same screens as that "28 50") spanned about a century around that date (2794 to 2893)

eternal shell
#

is tau ceti in marathon actually 12 LY away or is it 96 or however long it took for the signal to arrive

#

i know real life TC is 12 ly away

shut timber
#

"The people with all the money wanna buy and ruin another solar system, sort out your own food scum"

visual lynx
#

well… brightly colored crystals that let you talk to the dead might count? magic is just sufficiently advanced technology in any universe though

proper robin
shut timber
#

What is the state of Earth in the game? Did it sort out it's climate problems?

visual lynx
# eternal shell forerunners but cooler

forerunners of the Forerunners

-# in that back when Halo was a Marathon sequel, "Forerunners" was a human term for what would turn out to have been Jjaro, who would have turned out to have been human

shut timber
#

I love Star Treks take on it, they had to change in a generation or face extinction.

#

I wonder if it's the same here

sage lark
#

star trek is very utopia so

#

aint much happy go lucky in here

eternal shell
#

if earth grows food for mars it cant be in that bad of a state

shut timber
#

i'll find it, dw.

visual lynx
# tired crescent Gotta be the UESC

if they even know, they only learned very recently

and they probably don't even know

though they knew before leaving Sol that [REDACTED] WERE AT TAU CETI

MIDA probably knew that too, hence whatever their plan with Strauss and his ten cyborgs aboard the Marathon

tired crescent
#

hmmmm interesting

visual lynx
# tired crescent Humanity....did what now....

the Marathon is the Martian moon Deimos, colonized inside, and with a big engine slapped on it

at least it was until they retconned that into the cool-looking but ABSOLUTELY NONSENSE design they're using in the new game, where a shell of rock is just needlessly suspended around an ordinary spaceship

eternal shell
#

bring back the ol' space potato

tired crescent
#

definitely need videos @visual lynx

visual lynx
visual lynx
eternal shell
#

damn

#

the compilers really were affecting her by the time we got to g4 sunbathing

#

or it wasnt sent with a light speed signal but i recall seeing a radar dish

#

"watch this sick trick shot i'll do with the message"
"leela no"
"LEELA YES"

visual lynx
#

they did already explain that

tired crescent
#

holy

visual lynx
#

in particular

When the Marathon was attacked, Leela began to scramble and rewrite all of the historical information for mankind. Of course, she was damaged, and her efforts were cut off by the compilers and by Durandal. The result is that some but not all of the Marathon's data was muddled. Leela's effort at confusion failed to trick the Pfhor, but it has confused Durandal, and that is funny.

eternal shell
#

lmao

shut timber
#

Can anyone direct me to what the pfhor look like? (I know they enslave different races)

visual lynx
eternal shell
shut timber
eternal shell
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i'm glad i managed to find that pic again

shut timber
visual lynx
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maybe she confused herself

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didn't keep records in herself of what records she had changed

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because that would be an obvious security vulnerability that the Pfhor could exploit

frail path
#

It’s really great how imgur in its entirety is just banned in uk so I can’t see the phor image

shut timber
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Any of the factions more comedy than serious?

visual lynx
#

so when she went to send a message she didn't know that she had already scrambled the location of Earth even for herself

eternal shell
visual lynx
#

I mean the Doylist explanation for everything corrected in a Watsonian way by the LNP is that Bungie goofed, and surely that's also the case here. the question is what to make of it in a Watsonian way. and in the new game Sol does not appear to have received the message Leela said she was sending by the time it should have arrived if that "92" was meant to have been a "12", so the most straightforward Watsonian explanation is that she just sent it to somewhere 92ly away from Tau Ceti by mistake

subtle oracle
eternal shell
#

and ends with 10% of mars population dead

visual lynx
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allegedly

shut timber
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How would I, an average humie become a runner?

visual lynx
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well, death is the first step

eternal shell
#

step one: live to the year 2850

visual lynx
#

okay yeah that's step zero

shut timber
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Next step?

crimson hill
#

first real player i see is getting called N

sage lark
#

the optical array on the marathon I bet will answer most questions

visual lynx
shut timber
visual lynx
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yes

sage lark
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joined today

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fits

visual lynx
#

well if they do retcon it to Leela sending a message to Earth that was really only 12ly away then they've made a bigger hole to dig themselves out of with writing a backstory where no such message appears to have been received

remote magnet
#

Maybe the signal she send was just shouting really loud? Soundwaves take a long time to travel through a vacuum

visual lynx
remote magnet
#

Or she put a note in a bottle and launched it

visual lynx
#

no wait sorry that's just Bungie cofounder Jason Jones kicking back in an underground bunker on Lh'owon, not a Pfhor

#

ABANDONED HOMEWORLD FOR SALE, CHEAP!!! Custom desert-marsh conversion in galactic core, 12% oxygen atm., great weather, friendly native life (missing one moon). Great fix-er-upper. Must sell, alien invasion imminent. $3995 or best offer.

shut timber
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I hope there's a small group of humans that managed to survive and maybe thrive

visual lynx
remote magnet
shut timber
visual lynx
remote magnet
#

I doubt it, but we will see

visual lynx
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with blackjack, and hookers zombie-fungus infections

open sorrel
shut timber
#

They just chillin'

visual lynx
open sorrel
vagrant otter
shut timber
frail path
#

Alastor

visual lynx
#

probably not, as that appears to be the "control glands" and Tycho intends to kill his captain and harvest them

frail path
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Why don’t we get contracts with the UESC?

eternal shell
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they do offer a contract, the contract involves us fucking off

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if we dont accept the contract, we get paid in bullets

visual lynx
#

compilation of all (baseline, not helmeted or different species) Pfhor in term picts, for future reference:

runic spindle
mild ore
#

yo quick question. lore-wise, why are the shells trying to collect loot and get rich? whats their ultimate motivation?

visual lynx
#

pay off literal life debt

tiny pewter
visual lynx
#

their minds are owned by cyac; their bodies by sekiguchi

frail path
#

Also is there a lore reason we get wipes every season?

#

Is that the companies we owe just like taking our shit to recoup costs

#

That does make sense

mild ore
#

so i guess the marathon world is not so different from real life

frail path
#

Yea

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Just get like 50 billion credits every season

eternal shell
#

just gonna drop this thing i found on reddit here

frail path
#

Foomd

bright thistle
#

ok Guys today is the day

frail path
#

Time to blow up tau ceti iv

#

By awakening the god slumbering in its core

potent pivot
#

Anyone know why Vandals eyes seem to change between looking like a humans, with normal irises and pupils, vs the square ones that triage has?

inner stag
#

the cinematic one is just different than the one in game, wish they carried the look over to the game

potent pivot
#

Yeah shame, I was hoping there was maybe some possibility of the trailer one being the person the shell is based on or something. Thief seems to have kept the more human look though

frail path
#

Which on vandal

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One

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White spiky hat?

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Yea I don’t really like how that one looks

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And it’s annoying the model looks bad because people will just post it and say the entire game looks awful because of one character model

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Yea it’s nothing a good skin won’t fix

potent pivot
#

The trailer and some promo materials give off a way more human vibe compared to the slam versions, but maybe it'll be a thing you can change with skins. Was wondering if there was a lore reason

north shell
#

Probably the most white guy vanilla theory, but each shell represents a faction: -Destroyer: Traxus, -Assassin: Arachne, -Triage: NuCal, -Vandal: Mida, -Recon: CyAc, -Thief: SekGen

rotund stump
#

but no

#

we're just mercs with some corpo-sponsored body-switch capabilities and a debt to pay 💀

north shell
#

Maybe SekGen adapted shells to each faction’s necessities to sell more shells

rotund stump
#

nope, recon and destroyer came straight from the UESC's CSL and vandal's a MIDA gizmo

#

shells were bespoke before the tau ceti craze however

north shell
#

If some of the runner shells are kind of freaky already, what do y’all think they have back on Earth 👀

rotund stump
#

we're mercs with no sense of belonging aside from the debt cyac's put us in for housing our consciousness

#

oh

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hm

#

I mean we got a pretty fucked up example already his name's charter

vivid terrace
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I believe it’s custom to him Julia said

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“Perks of being high ranking UESC officer”

tired crescent
#

Holy shit this lore goes deep

vivid terrace
#

UESC Calendar when?

rotund stump
#

bbl biomata

#

goddamnit

north shell
tired crescent
#

Im 15 minutes into this video and i haven't moved a muscle

#

The first marathon lore video that HiddenXperia made

north shell
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He needs to have a place to store his ammo and big guns

tired crescent
#

Yes...I now see why your name is "Phorskin" now

vivid terrace
#

I’ve been spending my morning dissecting the old cinematics for details that I either missed or have new context now.

Not super relevant but old Oni 100% gaslighting whatever the runners were at that point, didn’t realize when they focus in on the different consciousness servers they have different code/designations

inner stag
#

vandal doesnt even need the human eyes she just needs more accurate makeup,eyeliner and the hair

#

more detail

tired crescent
#

damn

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noted

eternal shell
#

hilarious

plucky sierra
#

lol bro got kicked

eternal shell
#

🪦

#

caught a banhammer to the pfhor...head

spark relic
#

Bro got w'rkncacnter-ed

coral garden
#

I watched a lore video and why is Durandal so goated fr

rotund stump
#

what the

#

oh no

#

that genuinely shouldn't have been a ban 😭

frail path
#

He’s just like me fr

#

Did the skin name guy get banned?

eternal shell
#

i asked him on the other server, he got timed out

frail path
#

Okay

burnt nebula
#

why does Marathon lore go so hard?

rotund stump
#

simply does what can I say

burnt nebula
#

it feels significant to me on a spiritual level

pliant granite
#

4 hours RAHHHHH

fierce briar
#

When you get downed by UESC bots, do we know what exactly they are draining from you when they pull up with those tendrils when you are down?

frail path
#

Your wallet

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No idea. Maybe the blood liquid inside the shells is valuable.

sage lark
cosmic river
#

Destroyer and Recon are UESC shells too

spark relic
burnt nebula
spark relic
#

Shells are part bio after all

frail path
#

If the shells are filled with electrolytes, is nucaloric just future mr beast selling prime?

waxen geyser
tall lynx
#

probably some sort of modified uesc shell

cosmic river
fierce briar
dusty trench
#

why are the spht back in the tau ceti system

#

after marathon 2 and infinity they were freed on their ancestral homeworld what reason do they have to come back

sage lark
#

we can only guess

#

some may have been left behind

livid lion
#

Nothing to say this S’pht is “back”

sage lark
#

timeline 7 couldve changed stuff on the colony

inner stag
#

i hope they bring back pfhor and durandal, those 2 are my biggest hopes for the lore

#

probably will

#

wrknkacanta raid boss

dusty trench
dusty trench
inner stag
#

yeah i always forget the spelling

pliant elm
#

You're not even insects to a Wrk.

inner stag
#

yeah i was kidding

torn bolt
#

So is the raid boss just gonna be a compiler

terse wren
#

Wrk raid boss would reach out of your literal computer & erase you from the timeline birth to death and then turn ur dog inside out for spite

tropic rivet
#

Still got stuck in a star though. Couldn't be me.

snow heath
#

Grand Rising, Runners.

north shell
sage lark
# north shell Why?

because its in its codex entry, they were made for miners on mars to keep them functioning during hazardous scenarios/situations

grim trellis
#

Sometimes when you load in after a failure it says that it couldn’t recover your last run or something, does that mean that you effectively died and you’re sending a copy of your brain and then just downloading the new one if you extract? I’m a bit confused as to that

north shell
#

Damn, forgot the codex existed, got too locked in on the grind

tropic rivet
north shell
#

The only codex I actually read was the drinkable cheeseburgers and the cat

north shell
rotund jolt
#

2 more hours

#

omg i cannot wait zaddies

raven tusk
untold spire
#

Frame generation

terse wren
raven tusk
#

are trax and cyber technically the only corporations? im guessing everything else is a group or cult?

bronze creek
raven tusk
azure monolith
#

MARATODAY

proper robin
#

Don't forget sekiguchi

tired crescent
#

Holy shit this games lore is amazing, i just finished majority of it and i love it

azure monolith
azure monolith
tired crescent
#

I still need to watch a video on where the new game takes place but fuck that was amazing deep dive

azure monolith
#

that is

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complicated

#

quite complicated

#

@tired crescent, for a quick recap

raven tusk
#

so it seems like there’s really only 2 non corps, mida and arachne

#

wild

#

i love corporation 😀

#

being as arachne deals with religion, i’d love to see how the marathon team dives deeper into that

azure monolith
raven tusk
#

well, they describe themselves as a “death cult”

azure monolith
#

I mean...

azure monolith
#

I mean... they are FORMALY a corpo but uuhm...

raven tusk
#

technically, they could pass as a company or corporation, I just don’t think they consider themselves one 😭

azure monolith
noble chasm
pliant granite
#

Few days ago we were in here speculating that the anomaly on dire marsh has to do with jjaro tech and the temporal fragment event and codex entry seems to confirm this

pliant granite
plush bay
#

"Launch also includes fixes and updates informed by the Server Slam"
When do we find out what the fixes are ?

finite night
#

when game releases I suppose

#

but we can guess it will include UI fixes and like FPS fixes

plush bay
#

A Bungie Dev in here must know ?

coral vale
remote magnet
coral vale
#

picked nucal randomly

inner stag
#

traxus is funding them, they would be nothing without our bands

pliant granite
pliant granite
remote magnet
remote magnet
vivid terrace
#

I’ve seen multiple devs in here wdym

#

They’ve been chill

#

They’re probably busy beyond belief though considering the day.

pliant granite
vivid terrace
#

I’m excited to see where this game goes. Mostly a lore guy, but I mean if there’s a Runner shaped wall in the way of my lore Arachne

oak silo
vivid terrace
oak silo
#

escape will make me burger

short hawk
#

corpse burger

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dead = burger

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hamburger time