📚marathon-lore-discussion

[violet sapphire]

It has the Wrk and Flckta so maaaybe?

Yep, Sgt Eddings is also kinda a SecOff incarnation

It’s hard to say, Pathways got made when bungie was like 4 dudes in an apartment

[frail path]

Pathways into darkness?

[violet sapphire]

Yep by name too

[nimble pecan]

sure but the jjaro are meant to be dead, or gone, and not intervening in human politics. And the Wrk are... trapped in places that are a bit scarier than "earth" the way marathon later puts it. Stars. Black Holes.

Id consider marathon a pathways reboot more or less

[violet sapphire]

Bungie we need to know..

[latent lava]

Yeah they seems connected

[nimble pecan]

same elemtents, reshuffled and remixed

[violet sapphire]

I think the Jjaro might also be present in other galaxies

I might be misremembering that though

[pliant granite]

At the very least there is a connection between the two given that they share species

[pliant elm]

It won't age well because this "cyber-neon-punk" colorful future is just a design representation of the current fashion and design standards of today.

The gritty futuristic world is actually much more believeble and real. You're just projecting your design ideologies of today - into the future - colors, neons, nekomimis, that's how we would like the future, or believe it will look like, with the eyes of today.

When in reality the future, in space exploration is actually much closure to mechanical bolts & nuts like the original games.

[frail path]

Okay

[violet sapphire]

This guy fucking HATES catgirls

[pliant elm]

You're using your references of today, to project a future.

No, I just studied art, lol.

[nimble pecan]

have you even seen the original games

[hazy mist]

thats why its fun

its not just real life

[nimble pecan]

this is a genuine question

[frail path]

But how do they actually like get to the level the player character gets to in marathon infinity?

[violet sapphire]

I’d say it’s an alternate future. Everything is that color because it’s made with 3d printer filament

[nimble pecan]

have you seen those games or are you basing this on loading screen artwork

[pliant granite]

Oof no wonder you're upset, you have a useless degree

[frail path]

Is it just being awake and it's like brain power slowly expands

[plucky wing]

Guys it's bait

[violet sapphire]

Take a wild guess

[hazy mist]

not too much on art degrees now

[pliant elm]

I don't have a degree on art, I studied it.

[hazy mist]

gulp

[plucky wing]

Yipes

[pliant granite]

Useless for this guy lmao

[pliant elm]

I'm a systems space man actually.

[pliant granite]

Boutta be put outta work by AI, shame

[plucky wing]

Bros getting run roughshot by grok

[latent lava]

2800 seems too far away to decipher how it might look

[nimble pecan]

enlightened take actually, i take everyhting back

[pliant granite]

Both of groks hands in his mouth

[pliant elm]

AI can't even make a proper excel sheet, let alone space-related stuff.

Lol.

[hazy mist]

i think if you study art then you should also learn to aprpeciate all forms of it

[violet sapphire]

Chad denji pfp

[pliant granite]

It can ragebait better than you Im sure it could figure out whatever your entry level position is

[plucky wing]

Space related

Hmm

[frail path]

Are the shotgun shells squared too

[nimble pecan]

i think it is by now, but i also think this is the age old "escalate to absurdity" tactic

[safe idol]

According to the vidoc the uesc is keeping the compiler captive

[frail path]

The cartographer

[terse wren]

😔

[plucky wing]

Bro they cant catch a break

[pliant elm]

Space isn't complicated, it's all about funding really. Most tech is all there already.

[nimble pecan]

bro realized no one here was gonna hate on "woke art" with him so pedaled it up to "if the game werent 2026 woke the characters wouldnt look like humans" so now everything looks like bait

but i think he genuinely means most of this and its hilarious on some level

[plucky wing]

I hope it's real

Funnier that way

[pliant granite]

Your incoming ai replacement is being funded by the world's economy

[terse wren]

I’m literally kind of conservative/“anti-woke” and I love the art

[hazy mist]

art reflects reality so it makes sense that the art style reflects trends today

[latent lava]

I believe that the game has an art style that you may or may not like, but at least it stands out from all the other games that usually come out.

[pliant granite]

The only way is to return the same energy

[violet sapphire]

I missed that that’s crazy

I wonder how they got one of the chicken nuggets alive

[hazy mist]

if a game is gonna come out like 20 years after the first game theyre gonna look a little different

[pliant elm]

I didn't say the art wasn't good - it just doesn't fit the franchise, it just fits the current market/product needs.

[willow rivet]

but it does?

[hazy mist]

i wouldnt say it fits current market needs

[pliant elm]

It doesn't.

[hazy mist]

its very different

[willow rivet]

Thats like saying modern doom Doesnt fit the franchise

[violet sapphire]

It’s way different that anything out it’s completely distinct

[hazy mist]

if it fit todays standards it WOULD be a lot greyer

[latent lava]

So the Compiler is used by UESC and not by Durandal... crazy i missed this

[violet sapphire]

Moot point lmao

[simple garden]

flawed logic 😭

[pliant granite]

Saying logic is a bit of a stretch

[violet sapphire]

I wonder if the UESC is just vivisecting it or actually using it for something

Orion is a compiler? lol

[terse wren]

Idk man it’s advancing pretty quick

[misty goblet]

Just wondering, what do you think of Designers Republic and similar aesthetics, as well as such aesthetics seen in for example Wip3out?

[terse wren]

Not to Yud out

[finite night]

Nah it would slop engine 5 realistic with every butt hair being rendered in real time

[hazy mist]

yupp

[manic walrus]

Does anyone know where the runners go when they exfil?

[simple garden]

flawed blabber

[pliant granite]

Highly accurate 10/10

[willow rivet]

back to the space harddrive in the sky

[pliant granite]

The marathon presumably

[latent lava]

You have to understand that there are millions of dollars involved, so you have to try to do something that will make a profit. You can't cling to something that came out thirty years ago and only four people remember.

[pliant elm]

Neo-punk will age as well as Retrofuturism. A vision of the future in a specific time.

[willow rivet]

no no the marathon is abandoned

[pliant granite]

Oh snap I thought runners came from there lmaoooo

[pliant elm]

Ofcourse I understand that - I'm pragmatic at that level - it's that or no game. But I'll still criticize the choice.

[hazy mist]

you arent criticizing anything

[simple garden]

it's a game not irl... idk but hopefully this helps

[violet sapphire]

Ppl saying it looks AI generated cracks me up because arc raiders actually uses AI lmao

So fried

[hazy mist]

did studying art not include learning how to critique

[plucky wing]

They go to the uesc ecuminty

[willow rivet]

no no NuMarathon takes place after John marathon kills the aliens that invaded the ship to begin with

[drifting mulch]

CyberAcme's "servers". we don't know how consciousness is stored yet

[violet sapphire]

Nah the marathon has been abandoned for 100 years

[nimble pecan]

nono he doesnt have a degree, he just studies it

[hazy mist]

i feel like theyd get in trouble

[nimble pecan]

he just looks at it and decides things about it maybe

[pliant elm]

You need a degree to read books? Lol.

[hazy mist]

since the uesc kinda wants them gone

[crystal sundial]

Tbh I saw this game's aesthetics and it reminded me of system shock 3 concept art and how that game is probably never coming out so i gotta play this one

[willow rivet]

Only a Degree smh peasent i got that masters

[latent lava]

As far as we can tell now, there is some secret in the Cryo Archive that the corporations absolutely cannot know about... how the UESC managed to control it is a mystery... perhaps it is just trapped there.

[violet sapphire]

The walls of the room it’s in are literally completely covered in the heads of UESC bots

So they must’ve sent in something non-robotic

Since compilers do compiler things

[violet sapphire]

S’pht can’t catch a fucking break though

I’m curious about Leela since in one of the timelines she like becomes a warlord over a system of aliens

[latent lava]

Slaves forever

[pliant granite]

Im fairly certain the the beam we see in the cinematic will be a either a oneshot or close to it and instead of having to succ runners like uesc bots the compiler will be able to hack the shell and instabox the runner

[latent lava]

Guys, it was great talking to you. Now it's time to sleep so that tomorrow we can answer your questions with hours of gaming and lines of codexes. Good night

[opal gyro]

top shelf cardio kick disrupted my circadian rhythm

[pliant granite]

On god we going crazy tomorrow I'm counting down the hours minutes and seconds

[nimble pecan]

have fun floating above the light grid of your dreams or smth

[pliant granite]

I seen that tweet earlier the image is so peak

[terse wren]

Rip ur RoI

[violet sapphire]

Yeah we’ll probably need some of the buff items for the fight

Maybe both hardware and software

[pliant granite]

Anti-virus for sure

[terse wren]

Leela highly underrated character

[violet sapphire]

Fr

[pliant granite]

17 hours feeling like 17 years right now

[frail path]

Good video that explains the lore/backstory of the factions?

[pliant granite]

Likely hasn't been made yet due to the limited info available but if it has I would love to see it

[frail path]

same

[velvet beacon]

look up "Jake the Alright" on YT

[frail path]

17 hours is alright, I sleep, then I don't finish work till about an hour after the game launches, then about an hour drive home.

[velvet beacon]

he has a bunch of great vids

can we post links in here?

like from YT

[frail path]

I think so but they ju8st don't embed ig

[pliant granite]

Yes

[velvet beacon]

@frail path https://www.youtube.com/@jakethealright

[pliant granite]

At least i haven't gotten in trouble for posting links yet

[velvet beacon]

he has some great stuff I've been soaking it all up this week

[pliant granite]

Same his videos are great

[safe idol]

Since there probably isnt much more than the compiler on cryo archive do you guys think there are any other uesc bosses other than the wardens or is that it

[pliant granite]

Speaking of this video is a mandatory watch for anyone interested in lore as it goes over the originals in excellent detail

https://youtu.be/ZQxsh2mBvNg

[safe idol]

I think the wardens are kind of just an elite rather than a boss

They arent as fun to fight as for example a bastion in arc because it isnt like they have parts

They just have a ton of health

[velvet beacon]

oh wow that's a big one lol

[pliant granite]

The only one that feels like a proper boss is scorch and thats just because he's a bullet sponge

[safe idol]

I do hope that there are big bosses but to be honest i doubt it

[velvet beacon]

you guys think they'll add enemies from the alien races in ?

from the old games?

[safe idol]

i sure hope so

[pliant granite]

The wraith warden feels like just a step above the commanders as he can be shredded extremely fast by a competent squad even without a destroyer ult

[velvet beacon]

I got killed by that wraith way to many times in the server slam

[nimble pecan]

i think i may have nearly soloed that thing by near accident once

[pliant granite]

Triage boys stay winning with our infinite health

[nimble pecan]

but maybe it had a skirmish before and was weakened, idk, there might have been runner corpses around, i was too panicked to see lol

[velvet beacon]

Triage feels like a VERY strong character. for the healing alone

[pliant granite]

Tbh soloing would be easy with destroyer ult

[nimble pecan]

assassin with an smg and a dream

[pliant granite]

Triple triage is an insane comp for the survivability you probably saw me in lfg posting that I was looking specifically for a triple triage comp

[nimble pecan]

i died immediately after in the next poi i went to, im not built for solo, i think i just got insanely lucky with it

[velvet beacon]

I just joined the Disc but that's gotta be a NUTS combo

[cloud gate]

Have they said anything about UI changes tomorrow? Like the pictures for implants being more specific ?

[unreal star]

yea triple triage will be meta in ranked probably atleast from what we are going off the server slam. seems too good

[pliant granite]

It is, cycle drones between members (if you use your own drone to refresh one someone else gave you it remains as theirs and you benefit from their heals still) for infinite health plus triple rez ult

Also bring volt weapons for emp shield cracks

[safe idol]

hate to point at arc for comparison but one great part of arc raiders is the different types of huge enemies and the sense of danger fighting them. seeing a rocketeer genuinely puts fear in your eyes, so i really hope that bungie leans in on that

[velvet beacon]

yeah it would be nice to see some more enemy variety

[pliant elm]

Bungie never disappointed in presenting a worthy enemy at the right time department.

[pliant granite]

I'm confident they will given they've been running development since the release of arc raiders with that game in mind as a competitor

[velvet beacon]

honestly if it weren't for Arc I don't think Marathon would have turned out nearly as good as it is now

competition is good for the consumers lol

[terse wren]

Based free market

[pliant elm]

Did the sneaked some of the old SFX into the new game? I noticed in some trailer that the thunders are actually the original thunder-loading from M2?

[pliant granite]

Directly observable in overwatch's latest update following the release and success of rivals

[velvet beacon]

exactly!

[terse wren]

When am I gonna get the m2 theme song in game?

[pliant granite]

The reveal trailer features the music from marathon 1 interlaced with the piano

[terse wren]

MARATHON dun dun dun dun uh

[pliant elm]

I was looking forward for some Psykosonic, but they're probably too old already.

[pliant granite]

Honestly I can see there being a musical callback to the originals when you encounter and fight the compiler and likely even just being aboard the marathon

[pliant elm]

I will be happy even with some SFX easter eggs.

[terse wren]

I’m literally gonna tear up when we set foot upon the Marathon yes I know I require psych eval

[pliant granite]

I've known people who sob for extended periods over less

[icy harbor]

Nah I’m w ya

[terse wren]

I owned the originals in their original AWESOME boxes

[pliant granite]

Must be crazy for you to have seen the imminent revival

[violet sapphire]

Triple triage is insanely broken, he’s broken in solos too

[terse wren]

Yeah and then really mixed feelings about extraction shooter and now I’m so glad they went this way.

[violet sapphire]

Double triage + recon is insane as well

[violet sapphire]

Same I’ve never been into an extraction shooter and was honestly repulsed by them but this game got its hooks in me

[pliant granite]

I only got into the IP with this entry, pretty much exclusively for the fantastic art direction as that was the thing that intrigued me most about the game while I was hooked on that (release) arc raiders crack pipe

But now having actually experienced it the gameplay is fantastic and the lore is insanely good

[terse wren]

I am SO glad they are pumping the lore

[velvet beacon]

the art direction is what hooked me too. that animation/short film was so good

[terse wren]

Someone in that team loves the originals.

[pliant granite]

Also recon triage and destroyer is a super good comp provided everyone plays their character well

It just places a lot more pressure on the sole triage

[violet sapphire]

Good destroyers are pretty rare and he’s more situational than the other shells

[terse wren]

Multiplayer Marathon 2 was actually insanely fun

[violet sapphire]

Recon void and triage are top of the top at the moment

[terse wren]

Used to do lan parties in my buddy’s basement.

[pliant granite]

Yeah but if you meet a good one that can properly utilize his ult you can kick back and watch him 1v3 in a few seconds

[terse wren]

It pioneered a bunch of multiplayer modes

[violet sapphire]

I played a few death match matches so fun

I love the old skull sprite

[terse wren]

Including a capture the flag thing where the flag is a skull

Yes

[frail path]

Oddball

[violet sapphire]

Yeah he’s insane on exteriors especially

And for boss melting

He’s kinda made to kill bosses imo

Less PvP oriented

[pliant granite]

Learning just how influential the original marathons were is insane like this IP invented mouse aiming and is tied with another game (which came out the exact same day as M1) for being the first to introduce dual wielding pistols

[violet sapphire]

Not to mention how insane the narrative was for the time

[pliant granite]

Yeah he really excels against scorch warden but dont sleep on his ult in pvp

[violet sapphire]

If it wasn’t Mac exclusive it may have outshined doom

[terse wren]

They were a big deal among the nerdy kid set

Gaming was much more niche then esp computer gaming

Many people talking about the story in that subculture.

Which has now like migrated to mainstream culture in a lot of ways

In the early and mid 90s you would have been laughed out of the room if you suggested that summer blockbusters would be comic book and fantasy / sci fi movies

[pliant granite]

Must've been crazy to witness I'm 21st century born so although I grew up in the tail end of the era where gaming was still a nerdy activity it was nowhere near as niche

It's been insane to watch the expansion of things like gaming and anime and various other (previously) niche interests since the covid lockdown

[velvet beacon]

same. I'm 40 lol

I've seen some wild changes

[pliant elm]

Narrative for the time, was mind blowing. For an interactive product, there was nothing like it - that quality you could only get from books.

[violet sapphire]

And the consequences lmao

Look at the vitriol towards this game from people

[pliant granite]

Yeah...

[violet sapphire]

Sometimes better than most contemporary sci fi stuff imo

[pliant granite]

Tbh I dont understand the massive online hate towards M2026

[terse wren]

Totally

[pliant elm]

Absolutely, I was surprised they tooked so long to revive the IP actually. But Greg did read a lot of good stuff back then.

[velvet beacon]

I mean a lot of it started with that Art being used fiasco

and ppl just kinda demonized them for it

[violet sapphire]

It was getting a lot of shit even before that and that really blew it up

[velvet beacon]

ahhh. I See

[pliant granite]

Wasn't in the loop during that situation (at least not as much as now) but the corp publicly made things right in the end with the artist didn't they

[terse wren]

Yeah it was completely different. From the pov of the 80s and 90s it’s been total nerd victory with all of its consequences

Like one thing about back then is that nerdy people were forced way more to conform to like normal societal norms. And frankly that wasn’t a bad thing a lot of the time lmao

[violet sapphire]

The internet has turned into some weird like pseudo-barbaric coliseum thing when everybody claps and cheers when games die

So strange

[velvet beacon]

yeah they did

[pliant elm]

Also the extraction thingie, even before the art. When the game was announced I was actually looking forward for a single-player, which I actually wished they had went that route... But it is what it is. Luckily I also like extractions.

[violet sapphire]

“Gaming companies are laying people off 😞” after a multi-month hate campaign

[terse wren]

Bring back jock bullies. For our own good.

[pliant granite]

Yeah I definitely understand the sentiment I think there's a certain line or normalcy that should be maintained like not being a total degenerate or freak but its good that more nerdy people dont run the risk of getting beat tf up

[finite night]

People calling other games Concord while they don't get what made Concord special in first place

[pliant granite]

I remember having to literally fight for every bit of respect I could get as a kid

[finite night]

That game died within week

Had gorrilion dollars into it

Been in making for years

And had only 400 online

[violet sapphire]

With no launch marketing and pretty shit design

[finite night]

Yep

[terse wren]

The truth is like that didn’t happen much. But there was an lack of desirability that made um high school esp hard for some.

[violet sapphire]

Concord was just a monumental failure on every level

[finite night]

There will never be concord 2

[pliant granite]

Concord didnt even live as long as a fruit fly

[finite night]

Or 3

[frail path]

And high guard was only even known because of the game awards

[finite night]

High guard atleast got something

[pliant granite]

Highguard which people are justifiably calling concord 2 barely lasted longer

[violet sapphire]

They banked way too hard on the made by titanfall thing when you could tell from the trailer it was not good

[terse wren]

Nerds even then had sort of a persecution complex combined with a superiority complex. I fully include myself here.

[finite night]

Dying high guard has more online than Concord

[terse wren]

Jocks in general were actually really nice. And why not? They were sporty and popular.

[frail path]

I curse ea to a thousand mid af games for not giving us titanfall 3

[finite night]

Backed by huge company

[violet sapphire]

It’s still like this lmao

[pliant granite]

Elementary for me lol fights were common and frequent but I was also just a fairly angry kid

[frail path]

Whenever a game has “made by people that made X game” it should never be trusted

[pliant granite]

And it's not even the same people working at the studio lmao

[violet sapphire]

Except titanfall which was ex-infinity ward guys lmao

I think a good trailer speaks for itself 99% of the time

Most games has a vibe which you know if you like immediately

[pliant elm]

I think only issue I will have with this game is that the writers, programmers and direction behind this game is just from a completely different culture than the original, so they never read the classics and most things people find boring in new generations but it was what it was back then - but all the sci-fi classics and foundations are all in 'now boring' book format.

[violet sapphire]

Why wouldn’t they have

[terse wren]

Oh is swearing censored my bad!

[violet sapphire]

I’m 24 and I’ve read the “classics”

[terse wren]

I was saying often nerds were the jerks. And i totally include myself there.

[violet sapphire]

I don’t think so, I was just saying nerds are still way bigger assholes than jocks even now

Ur all good man speak ur truth

[hardy imp]

It's not some inaccessible esoteric thing to read Marathon lore, hell, it's coverage on youtube is pretty in depth

Oh, you mean actual novels. Even more so what then

[pliant elm]

It just isn't the reality of the time, all there was back then was what there was, there's much more choice now - much more noise too.

[frail path]

If by “classics” you mean thanquol and boneripper then I’ve read the classics

[terse wren]

Is this true? Haven’t read enough of the new lore to see. All I want is someone on the team who can write in Latin so we get that pretentious Durandal goodness.

[violet sapphire]

I don’t think that’s true at all

[terse wren]

Based

[drifting mulch]

literally meta lore going on rn

[violet sapphire]

There’s still good sci fi being made

[north plank]

of course not

[pliant granite]

Some of the most random messages get deleted a few days ago I said 'Thief is so pretty man' and that got deleted, I had another message that got me automatically muted for an hour and I don't even know why despite reaching out for clarification

[terse wren]

Partially automated?

[violet sapphire]

I got timed out for speaking about billiam clentom and a certain island jokingly

[pliant granite]

When we were talking about Billy yesterday I wanted to make that joke too but knew I would get my shift blown smooth off for it

[violet sapphire]

Let me be a warning

[terse wren]

Now now we must not speak ill of Wilhem J

[crystal sundial]

I just hope they actually play around with the diagetic narrative they have going for how the extraction loop works in the game's setting

[pliant granite]

Tbh I really hate the modern trend of censorship everywhere online the infatilization of adults is pretty bad for society I think

[crystal sundial]

currently implied to be pretty damaging and destabilizing to consciousness in the cinematics but I want to see that in-game too

[violet sapphire]

Hard agree

People struggle with disagreement now

[pliant granite]

Like if I hear another person say 'unalived' while describing a murder I'm gonna lose it pay respect to the victim by treating the matter seriously

[violet sapphire]

Same it’d be cool to implement in gameplay as long as it wasn’t annoying

[terse wren]

Actually I saw that guy speak in person once, like days after 9/11. on campus. And whatever else you say I tell you I have NEVER experienced such charisma. Like I don’t even know how to explain it. Electric. He’s speaking directly to you. Crowd was captivated. He said something like “people keep asking me — Bill, is it going to be alright?” And then he goes “it’s going to be alright” and the crowd just sighed. The whole crowd. Like in a book but real.

[crystal sundial]

True I guess the challenge is doing it in a way that isn't annoying or unfun to play given how the game works

[pliant granite]

For sure I think that we could potentially see the reason for wipes being that our runner went rampant and got virtually slimed

[violet sapphire]

He’s the guy that the Jjaro called for a reason ig

[violet sapphire]

Exactly yeah

U don’t want to start a run with a debuff or something

[terse wren]

You can see how it worked with Alexander or whatever. In that moment you could die for the man.

[violet sapphire]

Maybe each season they do like a personality restoration which is the reasoning for the wipe

[pliant granite]

Tbf its hard to convince a country you should lead them without charisma

[violet sapphire]

My graduation speech was just some senator telling us we’re gonna die fighting China

Wish I was joking

[terse wren]

F

[scenic summit]

On one hand, "unalived" has a couple qualities to it as a word that could come off as insensitive and yes there are cases where it gets taken too far. On the other, a sweeping movement to remove such things in broad strokes isn't where I want to go either and its their right to say such things with freedom of speech in mind.

The use of the word isn't intended to be offensive as far as I can tell.

[violet sapphire]

It’s not but it is infantilization imo

[terse wren]

It is.

But that kind of tumblr shit is fading

[pliant granite]

It's only used to avoid censorship because they want to be able to make money off the content

[violet sapphire]

I think the true solution is making it so u don’t have to interact with 13 year olds on the internet if you don’t want to

[terse wren]

It was a phase

Now we’re all facing the existential doom of the singularity and the rise of the Machine God lmao

[pliant granite]

Ban all minors from the internet but without implementing virtual ID tracked everything

[violet sapphire]

Real and true solution

Parents should just monitor their kids lmao

[pliant elm]

Yep.

[terse wren]

I’m old enough to have seen waves of what we used to call political correctness come and go

Just happens.

[north plank]

or get parents to do their fucking job and use the parental controls that come with literally every modern piece of technology that can access the internet

[pliant granite]

If only dude, I didnt get a phone till I was 13 and wasn't supposed to be using the internet on it either

[terse wren]

Kids lean well

Mean

[pliant elm]

Doom and Marathon were, politically incorrect.

Just by existing.

[pliant granite]

As was the modern political correctness before it became the mainstream

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I had a flip phone til high school and I went to high school in 2016

I was bummed at the time but other people weren’t subjected to my dumbass opinions

[terse wren]

Kids start out idealistic, learn hard truths about human nature or spend their lives denying them. As it ever was.

[pliant granite]

God if people could see the dumbass things young me thought it would haunt me forever nowadays thats just the norm.and everyone else is subject to it

[scenic summit]

Being a kid is hard actually

[terse wren]

Hell yeah it is

[hazy mist]

i am two years old nad my life is very hard

[violet sapphire]

1000% if I had unfettered internet access I wouldn’t be able to look myself in the eye now

[pliant granite]

Yeah society is always caught in a perpetual struggle between letting kids be kids and 'just grow up already'

[terse wren]

My two year old has many serious issues

Like currently he can’t find his green car

[scenic summit]

This conversation is going in a direction where if I wanted to give an adequate response it might get the server mods in here, so I'm gonna go do something else for a minute

[pliant elm]

I thought you were going to say bubonic plague.

[violet sapphire]

Did he check Algae Pools

[terse wren]

Oh shit

[pliant granite]

Fair tbh I'm kinda expecting we might all get muted for a bit even though everyone is chilling with the current conversation

[pliant elm]

Being kid, is deleting System32 folder and then crying the windows couldn't boot from the master drive.

[pliant granite]

Getting told to press alt f4 for the first time

And using keyboard commands to flip the school computer screens upside down

[violet sapphire]

I don’t mean to like demean children or pretend growing up isn’t difficult. I just don’t want to have conversations with them if I’m being frank

[terse wren]

Whatever is happening in here the mods have a refreshingly light touch.

[pliant elm]

For the lack of better entertainment, I would have to play with the BIOS of the computer because it was all there was left to explore.

[pliant granite]

Based tbh couldn't pay me to talk with a kid that isn't my own

[terse wren]

But I was serious when I said hell yeah it is.

You have so little agency

[fallen surge]

Hello everyone, can someone tell me if the faction level will be retained?

[terse wren]

You feel like so many of your actions will cascade to the rest of your life

[pliant granite]

Nah at least not to our knowledge

[hazy mist]

everything from server slam is reset

[violet sapphire]

Nope everything is reset. I believe it’s maintained across seasons though

[terse wren]

Your brain is not fully formed

You FEEL SO MUCH all the time

[fallen surge]

👍 nice

[pliant granite]

I believe that access to factions carries across seasons but you will have your perk and quest progression reset between

[pliant elm]

I vividly remember playing Marathon, get scared, cry.

Then go play again.

Compilers teleporting behind you as a toddler is not a fun experience. Ahah

[violet sapphire]

Man I was scared of star wars battlefront and halo as a kid lol

[pliant granite]

For me I wasn't supposed to play violent games so I would have to wait till I was hanging with my friends or cousin who was basically my brother during my early years

[violet sapphire]

Honestly I think the worst effect of the internet on kids now is it’s so hostile all the time lmao

Can’t be good

[pliant granite]

Most vivid memories were trolling and getting screamed at by middle age men on mw2 and my buds house

[pliant elm]

In which sense?

[violet sapphire]

People always immediately assume the worst and are generally pretty mean

[pliant granite]

Everyone is always right and never wrong and if you disagree get doxxed and spammed with death threats

[violet sapphire]

It’s always been like that but the internet is smaller than ever now

[north shell]

Are the UESC AI, human controlled, or just coded?

[pliant elm]

There wasn't so much exposure as today, that's for sure, all you had was a nickname and that was it.

Things didnt feel so personal.

[pliant granite]

Trolling used to be fairly lighthearted but a lotta people take it wayyyy too far these days (much more so than back in the day)

[violet sapphire]

They’re semi-autonomous so human or AI orders with robots conducting them

[pliant granite]

And also the self image destruction content (looksmaxxing as its called now) is more popular than ever to the point teens are taking hammers to their faces to 'bonesmash'

[wide birch]

I wonder if we’re gonna get some more Phfor

[pliant granite]

Sincerely hope we do and probably will with the marathon

It would be super insane from a gamesense and sensory perspective to have UESC and the Pfhor warring it out on the marathon

[violet sapphire]

I feel like there’s no way the Ph’for don’t arrive in the game at some point

They’re very important

It would be pretty baffling if they weren’t

[pliant elm]

I dont think they will either - not much of a point lore-wise.

[violet sapphire]

Nah they’ll definitely show up at some point

When that’ll be I have no idea

[pliant elm]

They were kinda baited even in the original game by Durandal, not sure why they would want to return to somewhere they probably wouldnt even care otherwise, also after getting asses kicked many times.

[violet sapphire]

They’re one of the most iconic parts of the franchise

[burnt herald]

arnt they the ones on cryo archive from the new fmv vid?

[violet sapphire]

Well if the anomaly is Jjaro in nature, they’d come looking. Or hunting down Durandal

[north shell]

I don’t think they would use AI after what happened with Durandal, so maybe when they get activated a human starts controlling them (either a real human or a conscience that only activates after they get alerted).

[violet sapphire]

Those are S’pht which are a species enslaved by the Ph’for, Durandal emancipates them in the original but we don’t know if that’s the case in the current timeline

I’m inclined to believe they’ve been freed since they’re here without the Ph’for breathing down their neck

[pliant granite]

No way it wouldn't be jjaro originated I meant it exploded a guy into goop and makes objects float suspended in dire marsh

[pliant elm]

It's more likely the S'pht go after the Pfhor than Pfhor actually goes back to humans and TC..

[violet sapphire]

Nah they use AI for everything lol, Rampancy is a known phenomenon they look for

I don’t know if the UESC is being commanded by a guy or by AI though or both

[burnt herald]

@violet sapphire but the s'pht should be friendly right? unless us players are on another faction now

[violet sapphire]

The Ph’for hunt down Jjaro tech to destroy it so there’s any on Tau ceti theyd show up

[north shell]

What was the UESC guy that interrupted your signal on one of those CyAc cutscenes? was he ai?

[violet sapphire]

Well they’re allied with Durandal, so when you’re on his side in the games they are

I don’t know what they think of Sol humans

[pliant elm]

I guess the last S'pht are kinda neutral yea.

[violet sapphire]

He’s a runner actually

With a custom shell

Orion I think his name is

[finite linden]

||Has that been disclosed already?||

[pliant elm]

There aren't a lot of them left, and I guess they're probably busier with their own clan stuff and in no position of being hostile

[violet sapphire]

Yep ||julia nardin confirmed it in this channel||

[north shell]

So UESC have ai in the “low priority areas” and runners in high priority areas?

[violet sapphire]

That I don’t know

I believe Orion is a high ranking UESC officer that was converted into a shell so he could go to Tau Ceti

He’s like a custom made deal

[north shell]

Well, we haven’t seen any runners, unless commanders and wraith wardens are runners

[floral slate]

The compilers and durandal have to know the runners are just thieves trying to get their grubby little hands on anything inside the marathon so

[violet sapphire]

There was some theories floating around that they might be but nothing in the codex indicates they’re runners

[violet sapphire]

Not to mention we’re poking around Durandal’s business

[floral slate]

bro gotta be laughing his ass off

[pliant granite]

We do know that the proto UESC drones are capable of being controlled by runners so it may be possible that certain enemies are actually runners

[violet sapphire]

He’s calling the Ph’for as terminix at this point

Need to get rid of a few pests

[violet sapphire]

Yeah plus Rook is a UESC shell with a runner conscience

So they’re modular in that aspect

[pliant granite]

Yeah thats what I was referring to lol

[violet sapphire]

High ranking UESC officer controlling a warden just to sauce on the poors 🫩

[pliant granite]

Although the UESC clearly recognize rooks as being an enemy in nature unless you use his tactical so clearly they have an identification system that can exclude even their own tech

[violet sapphire]

I think they run constant encryption decryption local protocols

To make sure nobody amongst them is doing rook things

[north shell]

Maybe to keep confidentiality they use a small amount of runners, and once a UESC troop gets alerted, an actual runner takes control of the troop.

[pliant granite]

Probably yeah an encoded ping to each nearby shell using more modern and constantly updated encryption which rook is capable of deciphering and responding to until they update it again

[violet sapphire]

Yeah or because he’s a maintenance drone he just has less stringent encryption checks

[pliant granite]

Pretty good theory as they function extremely basically until alerted

[jagged jay]

hey guys what is the best way to learn marathon lore, new to the universe and fell in love and I’d like to learn more :)

[violet sapphire]

Videos or reading?

[pliant elm]

Play the old games.

[unreal slate]

drink cheeseburger

[violet sapphire]

Jeoku has the best vids

[pliant granite]

I would think that the wardens are constantly controlled by runners as they fight more intelligently than even commanders

[jagged jay]

I can do either

[violet sapphire]

Or yeah just play the OGs u have like 12 hours lmao

[violet sapphire]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[pliant elm]

You can beat M2 in a few hours.

[violet sapphire]

Is basically the marathon bible

[jagged jay]

I mean I’m in no rush lol but I’m sure I will eventually

thx guys!!

[violet sapphire]

They’re good stuff only M1 didn’t age that well

[pliant granite]

They're free on steam and good to kill time while we wait these last 16 hours

[jagged jay]

man it’s killing me to wait for release

can’t wait

[pliant elm]

Play the OG's then, still great shooters, even today.

[jagged jay]

I believe it

[north shell]

Go break a window or something to kill time, Mida boy

[pliant granite]

Real, I was surprised at the quality of mouse aiming with M1 given its age

[jagged jay]

ok cool I’ll go check them out and watch some videos and stuff

thx everyone

[pliant granite]

Had me absolutely dunking on the pfhor with mouse aim that 1995 devs probably never envisioned

[jagged jay]

love the punk anti-establishment vibes of MIDA lol. and yeah breaking windows was fun

[pliant elm]

Yeah, and sadly I've beaten the game back then with keyboard only. Even the concept of mouse-anything was alien to me.

[pliant granite]

Try it these days using your mouse all of a sudden the enemies are way less threatening

[violet sapphire]

Old rolly ball mice

Lmao

[pliant elm]

Yeah I did, it was a fun roll.

[north shell]

Is unstable biomass poop?

[pliant elm]

Felt like cheating though.

[violet sapphire]

Dude you might be right I didn’t even think of that

It looks like shit

[pliant granite]

Nah devs created that insane revolution in gaming for it to be utilized

[violet sapphire]

Why do I need shit to upgrade my heat capacity 🫩

[pliant granite]

In this paper we will explore the thermal resistance and specific heat of runner shit

[pliant elm]

I really hope they keep some of the old sound effects somewhere, even if remasterized. Most of them still live rent-free in my head.

[pliant granite]

Retro style sound pack would've been an awesome inclusion for delux or even collectors edition

[north shell]

So I might have been filling my pockets with poop the whole time, Gaius probably has some weird kinks or just likes jenkem

[pliant elm]

If they put it as an easter egg somewhere, I'm happy already.

[north shell]

Probably on the compiler boss fight, I also like the static effect they make when hitted

[pliant elm]

ssspsss

[pliant granite]

Damn just found out there's Xbox exclusive weapon charms I won't be able to get smh

[rotund jolt]

Wsg papi

[pliant granite]

I can do a ps+ free trial for the ps5 ones and Im on steam already but got no xbox

[pliant granite]

The door opening sound has to make a return somewhere

[hot thicket]

at least we can tell who is on what platform when we see the charm

[violet sapphire]

I got for PS5 and PC since I travel a decent amount

Time to fool people

[neat inlet]

guys, when will we see the inside of the marathon ship as a map?

[violet sapphire]

Day 1 if ur fast enough

Cryo Archive is on the marathon

[neat inlet]

oh nice!

[violet sapphire]

Yessirski

[neat inlet]

forced coop or solo?

[violet sapphire]

I saw a lot of people nab the keys in the slam I think the most reliable way is through lockdowns

[violet sapphire]

I think you can queue as you would any other map but I’m not 100%

Doing it solo would probably be almost impossible though

[neat inlet]

nothing is impossible for MIDA

👀

[pliant granite]

Tbh really hard if not impossible to see charms in combat

[floral slate]

yall gotta record inside the marathon inmediatly. i wanna know if the weird isoteric madness from the originals are still there

also the compiler

[violet sapphire]

Skarrow will probably have the earliest footage and breakdown

[floral slate]

i wonder how its fight will go? I wonder if you even fight it or there is other interactions

[floral slate]

does they have a youtube channel or

[violet sapphire]

Ye I think it’s just Skarrow I’m not sure

I just get him on Twitter a lot

[neat inlet]

imagine if the marathon ship was like the tower in destiny

[violet sapphire]

Wayyy way back like during Arg 1 I was saying I wanted a little player hub lol

[neat inlet]

since we dont got individual skins, u would see 10000 assassins

[violet sapphire]

Exactly yeah

Attack of the clones

[neat inlet]

😆

[violet sapphire]

We didn’t know about shells yet back then we were still thinking it was customizable shells

I’m an old head 👴🏻

[neat inlet]

new shell will drop soon too

im so curious ngl

[violet sapphire]

I reeeeally hope it’s the teaser trailer runner

It’s always been my favorite design

I’m just praying his abilities are fun, I’m not sure what Sentinel means

[neat inlet]

i saw it was a defensive type

like a guard

but they might change it tho, not sure

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I saw a claim they’d have a sentry turret which idk if I’d enjoy

I like fast paced movement characters

[floral slate]

hold on, how many shells are there

[violet sapphire]

Isn’t it 6 on launch, 7 with sentinel

Or is it 7 on launch 8 with sentinel

[floral slate]

7...

[violet sapphire]

Recon, locust, vandal, thief, void, triage

[broken zinc]

Recon, destroyer, vandal, thief, assassin, triage, and rook on release

[violet sapphire]

Rook duh

[broken zinc]

R o o k Online

[violet sapphire]

I didn’t engage in rook jihad much so I forgot

[broken zinc]

It's super fun to run around as rook for sure

[violet sapphire]

I spawned like 10 feet behind a guy extracting lmao I won the rook lottery

[lavish sable]

are there any groups working on the arg?

[pliant granite]

On god we slime rooks on sight

Ain't no friendly in tau ceti son

[violet sapphire]

I know Skarrow just went to an in person ARG thing in LA

I’ve been at work though so I don’t know the details

[hazy mist]

pretty sure its not out yet(?) whatever they went to

or it was a content creator thing or smth

i imagine if it was a more open event we wouldve heard more about it

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I’m not 100% I just saw the tweet

[hazy mist]

i kinda skimmed through the video on it and its like one small room in an otherwise empty building

[rocky depot]

So what's the deal with Tau Ceti having seemingly "modern" (by 2894 standards) weapons utilized by the UESC all over the place despite the Marathon being launched in the 25th century?

[hazy mist]

i think if it is actually gonna be something then theyll actually turn it into a larger exhibit or its some exclusive thing

[violet sapphire]

Yeah the pic I saw looked like a warehouse

[violet sapphire]

The UESC also just arrived

Like maybe a couple years before we did

[pliant granite]

Ballistic weaponry is fairly hard to innovate on past its current point its pretty much as good as it will get

[violet sapphire]

Main modern next steps are basically caseless ammo, self guiding ammunition, and flechette/improved armor piercing

Which have all been covered by the game which I thought was pretty sweet

[rocky depot]

I mean how come we see the same models of weapons all over the colony (the ones we loot) that were presumably stored onboard the Marathon during its 300 year journey being used by the UESC bots that are much newer

Did they just

stop inventing new weapons after the 25th century

[violet sapphire]

All the weapons I’ve found were in UESC caches

[pliant granite]

Yeah most likely caseless isn't even the next step but rather a better explosive compound for cased ammo to prevent damage to mechanisms and better gas trapping which is the main reason we still use cased ammo

[violet sapphire]

Actually there’s the arms lockers on maintenance

[violet sapphire]

Yeah and non-brass or steel casing like that plastic cased round for NGSW

that thing was cool as hell

[rocky depot]

Arms lockers are everywhere. Hauler. Maintenance. You can also find weapons in containers located in rooms that require keys.

[violet sapphire]

Real answer is so gameplay is rewarding. Lore answer would probably be all the guns are based on templates that are still available

They appear to be 3d printed as well

Or the guns were stashed by other runners

[pliant granite]

Realistically probably to not overcrowd the loot pool but lorewise I would assume that by this point in the timeline they've reached a nexus point between efficacy and economic efficiency

[rocky depot]

Unless the UESC just decided to festoon the colony with more modern weapons than what we saw in M1 in random places for us to find alongside a shitload of ammunition for these weapons it's kind of a worldbuilding hole

[violet sapphire]

Well there’s runners floating around stashing things for future runs as well

You could reasonably explain it away

[pliant granite]

Also seen some neat things regarding railguns its just a matter of packing enough power into a human usable platform without blowing up the operator

[violet sapphire]

Yeah Japan has the ship mounted railgun actually in operation now

There’s some commercially available man-held railguns as well but they’re basically toys, BB guns shoot harder

Plus the ammo cost of railguns since they mainly use Tungsten AFAIK

[pliant granite]

US has some great ones that are largely stationary but have potential for future applications in being mounted to things like ships in the way Japan has and potentially tanks

[violet sapphire]

There was the huge naval dev project for one but I think we ended up cancelling it because of limited use case

But DARPA probably has a couple lmao

We meaning the US sorry

[pliant granite]

Yeah tungsten although depleted uranium I believe could make for a viable substitute, probably way too risky and a war crime of some kind tho

[violet sapphire]

Yeah or eventually a dense synthetic material

I don’t know a lot about materials science though

[pliant granite]

Don't think I heard about the US naval project one I'll have to read about it

[violet sapphire]

Yeah it got cancelled like early 2010s I think? I’ll link you

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-railgun-battleships/

[pliant granite]

Same here I'm a bio guy so anything I would know more about with applications in war is such a serious war crime and general crime against humanity I'd rather not even think about it lmao (its also just insanely frightening)

[pliant granite]

Sweet ty

[violet sapphire]

I’m in software and networking and did some military work up stuff in college so I like it

[rocky snow]

you def get slimed every raid

[violet sapphire]

Bio side is fucked though I recently read that one book about different nerve agents

Terrifying

[pliant granite]

Engineered bacterial strains and viruses are way scarier there was some rumblings back in the day about the potential for an engineered variant of anthrax which would probably kill the entire world

[pliant granite]

Nah I dont play rook I play infinite health triage

[violet sapphire]

That and some of the prion stuff

[rocky snow]

still

[violet sapphire]

With attempted airborne variants

[pliant granite]

Prions are absolutely nuts especially with the news thats been coming out with standards in the pork industry

[pliant granite]

Good luck sliding on me when Im healing through everything

[rocky snow]

I main triage too so I mean

[violet sapphire]

And the chronic wasting outbreaks in US deer populations

Gnarly

[rocky snow]

this shotgun and sniper gone get through them heals regardless

[pliant granite]

Yaint gonna get the chance son

[pliant granite]

Oh yeah I heard those have been coming back lately

[rocky snow]

Promise I will

[pliant granite]

Fortunately we haven't seen any human outbreaks for prions but the way our cattle is managed has to change or our safety from human prion outbreaks will

[violet sapphire]

Yeah it’s essentially unknown how humans contract it right?

I know there’s a gene that triggers it

[pliant granite]

Promise u won't why you trynna flirt with me so much son

[rocky snow]

cause I love killing battle dads

literal free loot

[hollow pivot]

what does mips stand for

[rocky snow]

idk, all I know is it makes my shotgun and sniper fold people

[pliant granite]

It can be but it can also be gained through consumption (kuru is one of the more well known examples of this) or it can literally just happen for no reason at all because some of your proteins misfolded in a way that allowed it to still replicate while being eventually debilitating

[violet sapphire]

Brutal

[violet sapphire]

Man I pwn shit

[pliant granite]

Usually our bodies have several safeguards against this with any inperfection along the process of producing proteins or DNA RNA or cells ect with failures being rejected and killed or reabsorped which is why genetics is theorized to be a main contributor to the sporadic variant of prion disorders

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I was reading about the genetic triggers the other day

[pliant granite]

Trust you ain't getting nun of mine young nitro consoomer

[violet sapphire]

I went down a rabbit hole after learning about that cave in Africa where multiple diseases are from

Ebola and another similar one

[rocky snow]

lmk your in game come tmr so in case I kill you I can clip it

[pliant granite]

You'll know me by name son

Shoot me the ign I'll flex when you slip up trynna slide

[violet sapphire]

Smokin on rook pack 💨🚬

[pliant granite]

Don't believe Im familiar with the cave you got a link?

[violet sapphire]

Yeah let me find

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitum_Cave

The book the hot zone is about it

[pliant granite]

Oh wait yeah I have read about that I didnt know it had ebola connections tho

I suppose I should've guessed since theyre part of the same family lol

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I think Ebola was contracted through contact with chimps but I’m not 100%

Speaking of evil ass diseases how bout that tau ceti fungus

Melting triage’s face off

[pliant granite]

On god we hate them toxin spores

Can't even triage drone trough it

[hot thicket]

dont go near the yellow glowing fungus its dangerous

[pliant granite]

I believe the current leading theory is its from bats but Im also not 100%

[hot thicket]

also dont punch the pink round containters they are not water barrels

[violet sapphire]

Marathon just hit #1 seller on steam let’s fucking goooo

[pliant granite]

This is dire marsh we clown in this mf

[pliant granite]

New wave of arc copers incoming

[violet sapphire]

This is outpost we die in this mf

[gentle kraken]

they feed the development budget for the rest of us so it’s okay

[violet sapphire]

I think people are also underestimating the foreign market

Game did well in Chinese and Japanese tests

Apex is incredibly popular in Japan

We gon be eating good for a while

[pliant granite]

I have no doubt this game will blow up in Japan as it scratches a similar itch that release apex did and the aethetic seems like it'll kill it over there

[gentle kraken]

i’ve been to japan and in some spots they practically have that aesthetic irl
some indoors spots are just insane

[pliant granite]

Jpn sweats on Apex genuinely changed the way I play FPS games its gonna be awesome seeing a new wave of gamers have to adapt to them cracked mfs

[violet sapphire]

They’re on another level, some of the tournaments with Korean and Japanese players are insaaane

So tweaked out

Can’t believe marathon is outselling fucking resident evil that is so insane

I’m elated rn

[pliant granite]

Dude Ik back in the day I had learned some rudimentary Japanese comms just in case I had them on my team

[violet sapphire]

Me in Mario kart fr

Had to learn how to shit talk

[pliant granite]

I wish I had cracked linguistic skills and actually retained languages past my primary use case for them

At the very least relearning comms should be easier than it was the first time

[violet sapphire]

I live in Florida so I’m actually pretty communicative in Spanish lmao it’s a key skill here

Especially if you want free beer

[terse wren]

That’s so good

[violet sapphire]

Japanese grammar structure is something else tho I’m good off that

[violet sapphire]

Right? I thought that was gonna be the game marathon wouldn’t be able to crack no matter what

Me n my friends are already planning a lan party for cryo archive

[gentle kraken]

oh bro ts is torture
you count things with different words depending on their shape and characteristics

[pliant granite]

I used to have some Hispanic neighbors they loved any reason to hand out a beer

[violet sapphire]

🫩

[crystal sundial]

Wait what, that's crazy lol

[violet sapphire]

And I love any reason to accept one 🤝

True solidarity

[soft girder]

Turns out most people play games rather than whining about them online

[gentle kraken]

every word basically changes depending on past vs nonpast and negative vs anticipated

[violet sapphire]

And I thought conjunctives sucked 🫩

Ur a soldier

[violet sapphire]

Dude right lmao

New RE is insanely good too

[soft girder]

Why I dipped in here, though... lore bits I'm currently laser-focused on:

• Who bankrolled the ship that brought us here? It seems like SekGen is fine with loaning us an unlimited number of incredibly expensive shells but I'm betting that when we meet its AI, it's gonna act like we're news to it like the other factions other than CyAc. Someone paid for a ship full of server racks to take 200 years to get here. I'd think it was some kind of joint corpo operation but again, it seems like we're just meeting them in the faction intros.

• I guess humanity has some kind of Ansible device in the Marathon universe? Some way for FTL communications even as real transport is sublight? Not sure how we're talking to these AI presumably set up on Earth, otherwise

[gentle kraken]

they have FTL comms and travel
and the ship is the culmination of the uesc’s goal of making a colony and doing whatever it takes to preserve humanity
which is why the disaster is so important because practically EVERYTHING they threw at the problem is now either destroyed or non operational and everyone is missing

if assume they put most of their money into it

it’s almost the size of a continent or something

[violet sapphire]

As for the payment, all of the factions are highly motivated to get legally grey agents on planet to recover their profit and figure out what the UESC wants exactly

The original colony was a split investment so it’s probably similar

[west steppe]

Would we not be using quantum entanglement for the use of communication? - Which is why we can comm back to earth in real time

[violet sapphire]

As for the FTL communications I’m not 100% sure the method but it exists, the faction AI excluding Oni appear to be back in the SOL system

[violet sapphire]

There was a massive physics argument the other day about this lol

Nobody could agree on if it’s possible or not

[west steppe]

ahhh I missed that haha

[violet sapphire]

Good bro it was hairy 😭

[soft girder]

You're talking about the Marathon itself, I'm talking about the ship the runners and bioprinters are being stored on (among other things)

[violet sapphire]

We don’t know if it’s actually a ship or a satellite or just a floating data center

[gentle kraken]

oop

[violet sapphire]

The UESC does have a ship in the system tho

The equanimity or however it’s spelled

[gentle kraken]

something interesting is that the moon is 15km across and the images show the ship being about 3 times the length
that’s like a LOT of ship
especially since it’s thousands of feet thick as well

[soft girder]

Well, whatever it is it's got to be big enough to support a whole lot of worms n' such. I assume the cinematic from a while back is still more or less canon

[placid gust]

I mean, it was carrying a cargo of 24000 civilians. It had a crew of like 1500 standard and 500 officers or such

[soft girder]

And in any case the runners need new shells constantly

[violet sapphire]

Exactly yeah. I would assume it’s a joint venture by all the corps similar to the marathon itself

[west steppe]

This is still the same timeline as the OG marathon right after the fight on the ship?

or no ties to original game at all

[violet sapphire]

We believe so but we aren’t sure 100% on if m2 or infinity happened

[placid gust]

Plus all the colonization materials. Like, every building, bioprinter, security bot, there’s a ton of stuff it would need to carry. I also theorize that they might have chipped off the outside of Deimos to make it more round like what we’ve seen.

[violet sapphire]

But as far as we can tell marathon 1 is hard canon

[violet sapphire]

Either that or the Ph’for did something when they came back

Took some souvenir rocks or something lol

[soft girder]

Again you're talking about the Marathon, I'm talking about whatever sent the runners out to check on the colony after the fact

[placid gust]

Oh I thought we were talking about the marathon? I thought someone was discussing how much longer the ships body was compared to the moon, and I was talking about why it’s so big.

I think we were just discussing that yesterday - there were a few theories that got floated

[violet sapphire]

Probably safe to assume it’s a joint venture. Traxus supplied the ship, CyAc the comms and cyber infra, seki the wormies, Nucal moral support

[placid gust]

I for one think that CyAc funded its own venture, maybe in joint with SekGen - considering we have to FTL comm to the agents, and we don’t have an AI for the companies with us on hand.

[violet sapphire]

And MIDA and Arachne are factions specific to runners not the corporations

[placid gust]

I just don’t see why we wouldn’t already have info from what the other corps wanted if they had invested in the Runners mission.

[west steppe]

I thought the runners other than the corpo ones were chasing the distress signal, they sent unmanned ships to Tau Ceti and are downloading into synth shells which is why they are able to achieve FTL travel

[violet sapphire]

Yeah it’s possible they let CyAc and seki put the money down and then just started reaching out to runners after

I think there’s probably privatized runners in system too, Traxus for example has an elite runner team private to them

[violet sapphire]

Most if not all of the runners are on tau ceti to make money, they’re just going where there’s the most profit incentive

They’re all mercs

I think that there’s probably some fringe like Arachne priests and MIDA operatives floating around but most runners are just there to make money

At least for now :p

As far as we’ve seen the only FTL stuff we’ve seen are the UESC ship and data transfers, no meatbags

could change tho

[placid gust]

I think it’s still slower than light, just still really fast. Tau Ceti is, like, 12 light years? 50% light speed gets us there in 25 years - maybe I’m misjudging the timing on the distress signal, though, I can’t recall when it got sent

[violet sapphire]

I think it was 93 years to get there after the broadcast

Either 93 or 98

[soft girder]

My best guess right now is, like, CyAc effectively owns you. They say as much. You had debts already and agreed to this "we literally own your soul now lmao" plan. And they're acting as brokers selling your services to the other corps

[violet sapphire]

There’s still a bit of autonomy, CyAc is almost like our agent at this point

[west steppe]

Yeah there is this old Isaac Asimov short story about why humans in there meat form cannot travel FTL unless they die, but i'm struggling to remember it, I know that a lot of inspiration was taken from asimovs works in the original marathon but I don't know how much is being kept lore wise here

[violet sapphire]

“Hey these guys want you to work for them. To be honest we don’t recommend it but do your thing”

[pliant granite]

Hell yeah they were awesome people to be around cookout food was always good too

[violet sapphire]

Yeah most of the lore is accurate still

Most of the ambiguity is just we don’t know the specifics of what is currently happening at the time of numarathon

[placid gust]

From what I gleaned from ONI, we still own our consciousness - we just basically have to “lease” the space on data storage. Otherwise, they won’t back it up so next time we die in a shell the consciousness is gone.

[violet sapphire]

So it’s hard to say anything concrete since we don’t know how society or technology has developed

[soft girder]

Well yeah, but that's just autonomy in how you do the job you absolutely need to do. It's like how you're effectively owned by Walter in ACVI, he expects you to work a lot out on your own but ultimately he's your "handler"

I swear there's a point where ONI or at least one of the codex entries points out that legally speaking, CyAc basically owns you

[violet sapphire]

I think it’s a bit different from the walt man because doesn’t he like literally own you

It’s been a while since I played

[violet sapphire]

Yeah there’s some flavor text after the first contract essentially saying you’re far enough in debt we can do what we want with your data

With the data in this case being you lmao

[meager shoal]

So is it confirmed already that the runners are stored on something in orbit? Or is it still a mystery, and they could be in storage on the Marathon?

[violet sapphire]

They definitely aren’t on the marathon

[soft girder]

Point is I think CyAc is treating this like Amazon AWS and did most of the infrastructure work probably

[pliant granite]

They would have to be given we get beamed up to a craft of some kind but its not the abandoned marathon

[violet sapphire]

We don’t know the specifics get

[meager shoal]

Because the runner tech wasnt invented when the marathon launched?

[violet sapphire]

I think is the closest analog, they’re like mega azure essentially

[proper robin]

Definitely not on the Marathon. Our bodies are printed somewhere in-system.

[livid lion]

1. Traxus. (https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/intercepts/traxus/chats#h.9g6yhdx1dvt4) It only took ~5 years to get there because it's FTL. (https://marathon.bungie.org/story/ARG_MIDA/hearoursilence_4673c_34.png)

[violet sapphire]

Well azure+cloudflare+every other provider

[pliant granite]

The marathon is abandoned due to a rampant ai trashing it

[violet sapphire]

That’s one factor yeah

[placid gust]

I mean, you know what they say: Everything runs on CyAc, or nothing runs at all

[violet sapphire]

It’s been nearly 400 years since the marathon left Sol

[violet sapphire]

Join us 😈

[thin pebble]

I thought they sent a FTL ship to Tau Ceti and thats where all the runners are coming from

[violet sapphire]

Yeppers

[meager shoal]

But couldnt the runners storage be the thing in cryo?

[violet sapphire]

Jeoku’s overview and the mandalore vids

[west steppe]

Ok so in the original manual for Marathon its stated that humans have used teleporters for 500 years, if this is after the original, it would explain some

[violet sapphire]

Nop

[pliant granite]

If it was we would all be fried by the s'pht compilers in there

[violet sapphire]

Or the compilers would just corrupt all our data

[pliant granite]

It would have to be after the original as the marathon that we see in numarathon is abandoned

[violet sapphire]

They’re always portrayed as like short range teleporters, one of the key goals is the Jjaro’s big boy teleporter than can move entire planets long distances

I’m not sure the specifics on teleporting tho it was kinda just a gameplay device

[meager shoal]

I was half joking, but isnt the marathon large enough that there could be a secret section run by cyac which is where the runners are? Sorry if im being dumb

[violet sapphire]

Well we aren’t allowed to be on the marathon which is why we need the keys

It’s the most secure and locked down place in the setting currently

So the UESC wouldn’t let the corpos in for any reason at all, it’s why they need the runners in the first place

[pliant granite]

I suppose anything is possible but I would highly doubt that as runner tech was not developed when the marathon was launched

[violet sapphire]

Legally grey/deniable contracted agents

[meager shoal]

Yes yes i see

[violet sapphire]

It’s also difficult to say what the big 3 AI even did to the marathon’s systems they might be like completely broken

Not to mention the Ph’for

[livid lion]

no apostrophe in Pfhor

[obtuse frigate]

I just joined this conversation so this is the only message I saw, so I'm sorry if I'm misreading your question, but the runners and their resources (biocradles, memory drive storage, etc) are on a separate ship that is in orbit that arrived along with the Project Goliath ship UESC Equanimity

[violet sapphire]

Cormax McCarthy is that u?

[meager shoal]

Another question I have is from their perspective, do the runners wake up at the start of their new run the instant they die? Like an innie in Severance?

[violet sapphire]

Jk it just autocorrects for whatever reason and I gave up fixing it

[meager shoal]

Is that true for real confirmed???

[violet sapphire]

We aren’t 100% sure, I would assume they’d need some kindve downtime to accept contracts and prepare kit and all that. What that looks like, I’m not really sure

[obtuse frigate]

No, they wake up on the ship and are teleported to the surface of Tau Ceti. They're printed fresh on the ship each time

[soft girder]

Right, my initial question was who might've paid for that. It seems like we're news to most of the AI contracting us which is interesting

[livid lion]

It is true in the sense that it's the only possible reading

[thin pebble]

It was in the intro cinematics wasnt it?

[violet sapphire]

The armory is a digital marketplace they can access and navigate so they might be in cyberspace between missions we aren’t 100%

We just need more info :p

[soft girder]

Something to keep in mind, when we exfil we are physically teleporting. Matter transfer. The shell, ths stuff we take with, etc.

[meager shoal]

There was a shot of the servers blinking, yeah, but i dont know about a shot that shows where those servers are located.

[violet sapphire]

Ya there’s a codex entry for the DCON as well which is a similar if not the same concept

[meager shoal]

Ah yeah of course

[soft girder]

Good port with the armory, it does suggest long-range teleportation for at least small items which is interesting logistically. Like I doubt there's a whole black market of weapons n' such around Tau Ceti

[obtuse frigate]

It's assumed that they're on the ship which is where runners are also briefed and debriefed, including accepting missions, changing equipment, and turning in missions

[meager shoal]

Yeahh okay im more clear now. I was wondering who were are playing as when we select gear before a run but i suppose it makes a lot of sense when you consider matter transfer

[violet sapphire]

A lot of it is probably 3d printable as well, like if you buy it on the marketplace you get a single use license to print that SMG or whatever

[thin pebble]

Youre a disembodied brain that get ported ot a new runner each time, right?

[meager shoal]

Of course, i guess thats the do you recognise this photo scene in the Mielgo trailer

Nice

[violet sapphire]

Ye digitized consciousness

[proper robin]

Mind upload yeah

[obtuse frigate]

Yes, that seems to be a sort of "sanity test" similar to the ones done in Blade Runner

[proper robin]

Which is likely why a lot of the guns look the way they do.

[violet sapphire]

Yeppers, explains cost too

[soft girder]

True, I'm not thinking corpscum enough

[violet sapphire]

Volt thrower is cheap because it’s just a battery discharge, MIPs rounds are expensive because it’s probably like tungsten flechettes that are more expensive to print

[meager shoal]

I think what would be weird if there was like a huge "common room" where all the runners sit around and eat and chat to each other.
But i guess i mean wierd as in not bad weird and that could be cool

[proper robin]

Speaking of Volt weapons. I just love them all I like the V66 with its alternate charge fire mode.

[west steppe]

I don't think its instant, I believe its more like a gradual wake with some potential for corruption, but who knows

[violet sapphire]

I freaking love the volt thrower

Only 400 credits for a little beast

[west steppe]

was the V66 the precision rifle?

[proper robin]

Its an amazing pressure weapon.

[proper robin]

Yes

[violet sapphire]

The homing is a lot more aggressive than I thought initially

For the volt thrower

Only beef with it is that it goes to the lowered fire rate pretty quickly

If they’re above green shields you have to tap fire kinda

[proper robin]

Its basically a needler without the explosion, which comes with its unique chip.

[violet sapphire]

Wait fr?

I didn’t manage to get one

That’s fucking awesome

[proper robin]

I heard about it in one of Bungie's videos, and the volt thrower is shown exploding someone in that part.

[violet sapphire]

I didn’t manage to get the vandal core that lets you nade jump either 🫩

[proper robin]

Burst fire works too. If you have Vandal or Destroyer you can use the movement abilities and abuse cover to cooldown the weapon.

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I played vandal exclusively other than like 2 rook runs and her slide is busted

U can make it down basically most of the hallways in the game for not toooo much heat

[proper robin]

Destroyer Boost is basically the same.

Though a bit less forgiving indoors.

[violet sapphire]

Is it like the halo 5 boost?

I didn’t even run into many destroyers

Mainly assassins for the whole test lol

[proper robin]

Even when I played Destroyer I didn't use the boost too much. After thinking about it, it's amazing for boosting past corners you know your enemy is watching. They'll be waiting for you to walk past the corner and will lose you when you fucking zoom past their crosshair.

[violet sapphire]

Can u use it in conjunction w shield

[proper robin]

Yes

[violet sapphire]

Maybe some niche use with that

[proper robin]

I think

I also think you can dash sideways, don't quote me on that.

[violet sapphire]

Shotgun troll plays fs

[rain parrot]

you can, I was triangle jumping all over the place during server slam

[proper robin]

Yeah, I feel Destroyer will be a menace once people get the movement down.

[violet sapphire]

ATM I dont have a huge desire to play anyone other than vandal since double jump is so good for positioning

Sentinel is mighty tempting though depending on the ability-set

If it actually is a sentry turret I’ll be a little bummed

[proper robin]

Legit though, I feel I should have played Destroyer more during the bash. I just realized how much I loved it near the end, butI was also too addicted to Vanda's double jump

[violet sapphire]

It’s addictive

I got out of a lot of hauler deaths in the main chamber by dipping up top where they couldn’t follow

[proper robin]

YOu can do that too with destroyer, but not nearly as effortlessly.

[subtle oracle]

Just think how game breaking thiefs grapple will be

[grand sleet]

i personally cannot wait to run thief

[violet sapphire]

Yeah vandal was super buttery

[violet sapphire]

Thief is going to be really insane

Grapple and a drone for spotting

[grand sleet]

double jump on vandal was nice kinda wish i had option for normal slide

[subtle oracle]

Theres a few spots on buildings that will give you an oob (ik bc i hit them with destroyer/vandal) so itll be interesting to see where thief can go

[grand sleet]

any guesses on s2 shell?

[white anvil]

there might be actualy somthing in the old arg still

[violet sapphire]

Sentinel to me means probably either area denial or recon abilities

[proper robin]

Did a bit more looking?

[violet sapphire]

I saw one person saying a sentry turret but it wasn’t clear where they got that information from

[white anvil]

at the last page it flashes and l and an a go away

[white anvil]

il dm u

[violet sapphire]

I hope there’s some titanfall 2-esque grapple shenanigans

[subtle oracle]

off name alone? slower melee and defensive shell. abilities will probably affect armor/have super armor, a turret, and maybe the heat ability will be a charge or melee (like hold melee to increase damage while increasing heat)

[grand sleet]

looking for a squad to run with tmrw as well if anyone needs a guy

[violet sapphire]

Design wise unless the pic is a placeholder, it’s teaser trailer guy

[subtle oracle]

#lfc-any-zone my guy

[grand sleet]

ahh shit my bad

[subtle oracle]

all good

[violet sapphire]

Super armor would be sick

[subtle oracle]

It makes sense to me

they already have extra hud elements for bonus bars like the data protection used for the lockdowns

I could see super armor either giving you a new bar or adding a segment or two to the end of your existing shields

bc iirc gold and purple shields both are 4 segments but gold just has extra perks

[violet sapphire]

Yeah like halo over shield

I think it’d be cool to eventually have an arena mode as well just for quick and easy PvP

Maybe gamble your gear to play

[fast dune]

is that not what the cradle might potentially be?

some sort of trials esque mechanic?

[violet sapphire]

I think the cradle is a system to tweak your shell stats

[fast dune]

ahhhh

[violet sapphire]

I saw a write up let me find

[fast dune]

yes please

[violet sapphire]

“For example, NIGHTFALL will introduce the Cradle, a new system designed to give you more autonomy over your Runner shell’s statistical strengths and weaknesses.”

I think it’s a build system

[fast dune]

oh shit

oh ok

[violet sapphire]

Curious to see what that means for sure

If I can build out an insane heat reduction vandal that will be super fun

[fast dune]

do you ahve the link to that write up?

[violet sapphire]

Yep I got u

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/introducing_seasons_marathon

[fast dune]

thanks dude

[violet sapphire]

Sure thing my man

[pale crane]

I'm watching all 3 "movies" of Marathon 1,2,3 on Youtube by Emms.

So, the origin I've learned so far is that Leeleh survived the sacking of The Marathon by the Pfhor Aliens, Durandal betrayed humanity due to rampancy, and Tycho was taken over by Durandal.

Crazy.

[naive torrent]

Is the channel alled Emms?

*called

[subtle oracle]

heat reduction melee destroyer incoming. Gonna be a half ton linebacker sprinting into ppl at the same speeds of a car

[violet sapphire]

Holy peak

[violet sapphire]

Just wait for the Leela warlord arc

[pale crane]

For anyone that wants all the "story" of the original trilogy in movie format with voice acting, this small group started work on the project last summer and just finished last month in time for release:

Marathon 1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22RdxGNl-wA

Marathon 2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr77Q4IZMI0

Marathon 3 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1A93E2kIOw

All you need to be up to date for the 4th title in the series.

[rotund stump]

we can assume NuMarathon takes place in the 7th timeline by durandal's mannerisms which correlates with the merge with thoth and how tau ceti's not already nuked to bedrock yet

so leela and tycho are still somewhere

along with all the new info about the colony

but if you want absolute canon certainty and exclude m.inf then yeah leela got taken apart and reassembled and went rampant and crashed the vylae's 14-system net and the vylae gave up 💀

tycho got turned into a pfhor AI instead, we win the s'pht war against the pfhor with durandal, the pfhor blows up lh'owon's sun and releases the wrkncacnter and ends the universe

[white anvil]

what is it with bungie always including the numbers 28 93 to all of their promo stuff ??

[sacred mantle]

Where are you finding all this lore?

[rotund stump]

server slam codex entries

ama about runners lol (except assassin I don't have his page yet)

(or thief's)

[violet sapphire]

OG games, you can browse the wiki too I’ll link here

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[rotund stump]

oh old trilogy lore yeah the vids

or play the games yourselves

great fun either way

[strong perch]

that was such a good surprise to see
esp with the og console displays

Plus, they have voiced entries

if only destiny had some of those….

[violet sapphire]

Gonna jump out of my seat when we get one with one of the AI logos

That’s when we can really get froggy with the theorizing

[strong perch]

I just wanna know what ship durandal is in

[rotund stump]

the boomer

[violet sapphire]

I hope it’s boomer lol

[rotund stump]

original name was the pfhor's god of thunder iirc lol

[violet sapphire]

I can’t remember all the individual timelines boomer got destroyed in

It was most of them tho

[rotund stump]

he very well coulda hopped honestly

but it'd be funny seeing an alien ship zoom around tau ceti and the UESC not knowing it's their ascended AI that used to opened doors for the colonists 💀

"who in the FUCK is that"

[violet sapphire]

If it is boomer he could like instantly kill the UESC ship

[rotund stump]

if he feels the need

[violet sapphire]

Would be funny

[rotund stump]

remember this is thoth-durandal we're talking about lol

equilibrim and whatnot

plus some slam poetry

[violet sapphire]

I’m not really sure how Durandal feels about the UESC, he’s generally benevolent towards humans in general but idk what that means for the UESC

It’d be kinda crazy if Durandal is introduced post-merge

I could do without the patronization

[rotund stump]

a clone maybe?

smth oni's theorized to be since she shares the same IP leela had

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I think maybe the Durandal we’ve seen so far is a shard or fragment

Although it could just be him peeking in on us from all the over at Lhowon

[rotund stump]

comically big telescope

[violet sapphire]

He can be everywhere at once I think so idk

[violet sapphire]

Patrick stretching his eyes.gif

[rotund stump]

😭 😭

[violet sapphire]

I’m way more scared of Tycho showing up

Not sure what to expect with Leela

Plus all the new AI

[rotund stump]

tycho very well could've survived

[cyan mirage]

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but has anyone figured anything out from the timestamp 7:30 in the cinematic? There's a terminal with a bunch of text and stuff

[rotund stump]

which cinematic?

[cyan mirage]

The launch cinematic

[rotund stump]

the MV?

[cyan mirage]

Donno what that means 😅 I'm new to this stuff

[rotund stump]

oh I meant the music video lol

[cyan mirage]

Oh gotchya, yeah lol

[rotund stump]

cuz by cinematic there's already a bunch and I can't figure it out 😭

is it the visual mess at the very end?

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I think the big 3 will still be around in some capacity

[rotund stump]

people been saying it's conway's game of life apparently

[cyan mirage]

No, not talking about the conway's game of life thing

[rotund stump]

oh huh

[cyan mirage]

sent a dm, can't send screenshots on this discord

[violet sapphire]

Hit me w it too

Is it the mielgo cinematic?

[mental flicker]

Hello

[violet sapphire]

Hey

How r u

[cyan mirage]

The one that came out yesterday

[mental flicker]

Are you a bot?

[violet sapphire]

Me? No lmao

I was just asking 😭

[rotund stump]

the code mess right as the marathon logo shows up in full

[violet sapphire]

Oh idk then soz

[mental flicker]

Are you excited

[violet sapphire]

very much so :p

[rotund stump]

honestly might be nothing in all honestly since the game loves its code jargon 💀

why did I say it twice

brain fart

[violet sapphire]

Yeah I think probably no super massive args til this in person thing plays out

[mental flicker]

Bungie is A Behemoth

[rotund stump]

cuz like we just went through one with the mida zine LOL

[cyan mirage]

Some of the sensor text stuff in there makes me think it might be some hints for figuring out how to get to cryo station

[violet sapphire]

Yeah we’re a bit limited until we know what we can do w the keys

Because there’s a red and a gold key for cryo archive

[cyan mirage]

ooh that's news to me

[mental flicker]

I'm running for president of the world