📚marathon-lore-discussion

[subtle oracle]

Code Name: Visitor and Code Name: Tantalus Event are interesting (in reference to the Marathon)

[rotund stump]

definitely the compiler and maybe the incident that contained it in cryo

[subtle oracle]

Yeah absolutely. Stated robotic units sent are hard to retrieve or recall. Probably bc the compiler added them to the trophy wall

[exotic glade]

We need like a website of all the codex entries atp

I do like the aspect of the extraction shooter making us the actual reasonw ere figuring out Tau Ceti

can you imagine if theres really insane codexes in hidden spots that runners have to find?

just to progress the lore till the next update?

[rotund stump]

depends on where the ARS obedience matrix is located

I have a theory of all the head collecting related to those

[exotic glade]

head collecting?

[rotund stump]

compiler room

[subtle oracle]

Oof Tycho (non psycho) said there was a gap in the debris disk (assuming that means debris radar)

didnt that one come to bite them in the ass

[exotic glade]

havent seen that one yet

[rotund stump]

reminds me of a red war

[rotund stump]

oh nah it's available rn

scroll the channel list to the top if you're on mobile

[subtle oracle]

LMAO ITS RIGHT THERE WOW

[exotic glade]

?

[subtle oracle]

@violet sapphire Do you think hamish uses %hero as his user?

[subtle oracle]

its the server banner

look at the "walls"

[rotund stump]

[exotic glade]

OH

[subtle oracle]

YEAH

[still matrix]

▶robust.sig.str▶ - - ☹ - - ▷waveform.heathen異▷

[exotic glade]

https://tenor.com/view/sony-marathon-bungie-gif-11924335066315606201

AW HELLLLLL NAWWWWW

when they said the compiler got head that is NOT what I expected, gang

[tranquil basin]

I beg your pardon

[still matrix]

LOADING .
LOADING . .
LOADING . . .

[rotund stump]

see here's the thing with obedience matrixes

if it really is located in an ARS's head then that explains all the headhunting for a compiler trapped in cryo

[still matrix]

〒BLOOD BLACK SCRIPT ON THE CONTRACT OF AGREED EXTINCTION〒

[rotund stump]

it can just reverse engineer the signal and call for help

[sage lark]

damn the UESC are ruthless about the anomaly

[still matrix]

〒IN THAT STARVED PLACE HIS KEEPERS HAD TRAINED HIM〒

[sage lark]

mf Admiral of the UESC told Orion to chuck people at the anomaly if it meant getting new information

[still matrix]

〒HE GNASHED A NAME AND IT WOULD FOLD BACK INTO THE WALL〒

[rotund stump]

yep yep 💀

[still matrix]

〒KEPT STATIC, SPINNING AND PULSING WITHIN ITS HOUSING〒

[rotund stump]

arachne welcomes you, charter awaits

[still matrix]

▷weak.sig.str▷ - - ☹ - - ▷waveform.heathen異▷

[sage lark]

also theres something about a red messenger from one of the last survivors of the colony disasters

[subtle oracle]

Btw what Pfhor are we most likely to see?

I imagine a jugg or hulk

[sage lark]

that stuff would be a raidboss

[subtle oracle]

absolutely the compiler but idk why it affects planetside

[still matrix]

╳MARATHON WAS HIS BANNER╳

╳CLOSED OUR HOPE UP INTO A FINE POINT AND BURIED IN HIS SACRUM╳

[sage lark]

oh yeah I see the line about its cloak

red messenger

compiler

maybe to warn us that the anomaly is wrk?

or that the pfhor are coming back

[exotic glade]

[ LOADING . . . ]

[still matrix]

◉THE NAMES HE PROVIDED BECAME RANDOM, CHAOTIC◉

[exotic glade]

[ LOADED! ]

Where them bitchass Pfhor at

[still matrix]

╩THE ANGUISH MAY HAVE MIRRORED THROUGH HIM FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE
TIME MADE ETERNAL IN THE IMMEDIACY OF TOTAL FEATURELESS PAIN╩

[exotic glade]

Genei doing some crazy promotion

[dark remnant]

I can see the pfhor being a main force to fight like the uesc

[still matrix]

OΣΣ►W◉RLD

[dark remnant]

That would be really cool if we get to go on the marathon and it's full of phfor

[sage lark]

the vault 7 with the compiler will answer that question I think

[dark remnant]

I'm very excited for the compiler

I think the aliens of marathon are very cool

[still matrix]

[They are exceedingly adept at covering their tracks. Decentralized, functioning in a complex cellular organization that our most talent specialists have yet to penetrate. NEMESIS.DIV within CEN.COM]

[Sadistic information guerillas. Charged with toxic ideologies, they are the top contracted for every marketing exec turned thoughtcrime warlord wherever and whenever information needs a chokehold]

[fickle oracle]

omg wrong channel

[river dome]

the shells last around 500 years, go check the 8-minute clip

[fickle oracle]

pfhor are 100% gonna be added

[sage junco]

Bungie are going to do a Destiny with this game, and drip-feed us more stories/lore/content/maps/etc. etc. over the next 10 years. They gotta give us Pfhor

assuming it doesn't flop on launch and Sony pulls the plug

[still matrix]

///MmmMm. Ten years of Marathon \\

[sage junco]

it's gotta last us another 30 years until their next remake!

[subtle oracle]

I wanna see the compiler wipe a gold shield in one chest burst

[lime ocean]

I remember finding a key called that marathon0.2

Does anyone know what it went to?

[subtle oracle]

There were keys for marathon stuff in the slam for some reason.

people had like 12 cryo keys

[lime ocean]

Oh, and the rook is a hacked unsc or Frankenstein (made up from multiple dead unsc) with it's obedience matrix taken out, (the part that the compilar is using to control the unsc troops

[subtle oracle]

Rook cryo archive runs incoming 💀💀

[sage junco]

Rook speedrun any%

[raw vigil]

That's actually crazy and i was confused that i culdn't take any contract whit him but now this make a lot of sense

[lime ocean]

The obedience matrix, (I remember finding one) is most likely containing the memories or the digital mind of the person it was used on, (test subjects)

[sage lark]

for cryo archive useless in slam

[lime ocean]

I realized it as I was looting multiple unsc related parts, the troops are alive in a sense we are in with a shell, but they can't be reprinted.

The shells are husk ( printed disposable) and the unsc troops are like a husk (has a mind or program trapped ) with a controlled mind

[raw vigil]

And i have another question the factions: mida and arachne, are the bad ones i mean all the others prevent sustain and research something to bring to the planet like nucaloric but those 2 are just pure chaos

[subtle oracle]

MIDA are revolutionaries at odds with UESC and Arachne is more an odd pseudo religious balance seeker between death and life.

[raw vigil]

Oh that makes more sense

[lime ocean]

Yeah, but they want to see how much a shell can take before breaking

[subtle oracle]

Yeah theyre basically doing free rnd for sekgen tbh. Wanting to see how much shells can perform

[lime ocean]

If death wasn't a option, why not explore what comes after it?

[raw vigil]

So arachne is like a beta tester for seliguchi

[lime ocean]

Yes, but no

They are the stress test

[raw vigil]

Not on porpuse obviusly

[lime ocean]

Yeah

[raw vigil]

And i don't know if it was leaked or not but there will be in the future more factions ?

[lime ocean]

No

[sage lark]

Maybe who knows

[tranquil basin]

This isn’t confirmed

[tranquil basin]

There could be

[storm field]

I'm so intrigued and excited to find out whats in Vault 7 and what is going on on Tau Ceti/the Marathon - I've not been this invested in lore, mysterious and goings on since D2 or Elden Ring

[lime ocean]

They have all parts of the game covered

[tranquil basin]

That doesn’t mean they couldn’t add Misriah or something

[sage lark]

Guys Vintage has said it, there will be no new factions in marathon ever pack it up

[raw vigil]

Yeah that's right

[tranquil basin]

I guess we doing no new factions now

[subtle oracle]

Im determined to do Solo Cryo Archive when it drops

[sage lark]

They have all parts of the game covered, theres just nothing you can do

[subtle oracle]

which supposedly it drop a week post launch

[storm field]

Who is Vintage? (forgive my ignorance)

[tranquil basin]

Someone typing rn

[sage lark]

The leader of the marathon dev team

And sony ceo

[tranquil basin]

And black rock ceo

[sage lark]

Its actually Yahu

[storm field]

I thought Vintage was the traveller

[tranquil basin]

Probably that too

[subtle oracle]

Its a W'rkencancter

[sage lark]

Theyre are the Witness

They are are

Wow im good

[supple willow]

Is the Cryo Archive supposed to be a Halo-style alien surprise ending, filled with W’rkncacnter and Pfhor, like massive, hardcore organic alien monsters?

[tranquil basin]

I think only compilers will be in it

[tranquil basin]

I’m not sure the pfhor have any incentive to be there now

[raw vigil]

I was thinking to myself that in the future it would be interesting to see some strange NPCs like a virus that takes control of the remains of a broken chassis so as to confuse the enemies

[subtle oracle]

What if its the compiler and something new

[storm field]

Who are your guys fav main shell atm?

[tranquil basin]

That would be cool

[tranquil basin]

Functionally assassin but aesthetically destroyer

[subtle oracle]

Destroyer has grown on me a lot but assassin is best when im on a sponsor kit or just bad loot

assassin for survivability, destroyer for pvp runs

[lime ocean]

Well, they got who built it, (traixs) to who supplied it, (nurcal)
To who the runners are( seil)
To who monitors or fills the shells (cyrberance)
To who test/stress test shells (arachne)
And those who sabotage the unsc (mida)

[tranquil basin]

I like recon but only in a group setting

[sage lark]

The jambie mushrooms could be there tho

[subtle oracle]

recon i need to work on lowering her cooldowns. Would be great if the pulse didnt take 18 yrs to reload

[tranquil basin]

Ah yes nurcal traixs seil and cyrberance

[lime ocean]

The unsc can't be a faction, but whatever

[tranquil basin]

My favorite corporations

[raw vigil]

For now in solo since I don't have friends to play with yet I use it a lot assassin but in group i prefer recon

[lime ocean]

Their all corporate in a way

Or organized

[sage lark]

Seil, tududududu tu tududud

[subtle oracle]

instead of div bitch and anarchy we have triage and recon

[raw vigil]

It was a random idea but maybe it will be frustrating i don't know

[lime ocean]

Perhaps the one of the 3 AIs on the marathon

[storm field]

Yeah I really like a few of the shells, but the sneaky plays, self escapes with smokes etc and no fall damage from Assassin (from his V ability) is really helpful in Solo - I'm looking forward to try crazy plays with Theif or support the homies with Triage. Fuck, I want to play them all haha

[sage lark]

Triage gameplay wise cuz hes so valuable, looks wise probably destroyer and recon

[tranquil basin]

They’re long gone

[lime ocean]

How so?

[sage lark]

Im gonna try to main destroyer i think

[tranquil basin]

Well Durandal transferred himself to a pfhor ship and yeeted away across the galaxy, same with Tycho, and Leela got dismantled and sold

[storm field]

Didn't we hear Durandal in the Bungie viddoc? Saying access denied when they were trying to get to the vault or something? Or am I tripping?

[tranquil basin]

And infected a pfhor interplanetary network

[subtle oracle]

we dont know this yet

[tranquil basin]

Those happened in the ogs

[raw vigil]

Yes they are all usefull there is pretty no one useless and that's actually crazy for a game that is not even out yet

[lime ocean]

7th timeline, but yeah, we can't pinpoint with timeline we are in yet

[tranquil basin]

We do and he’ll be present but I don’t think there’s any reason he’d put himself back in the marathon physically

[lime ocean]

I'm sticking with 1st

[tranquil basin]

Any one of the 7 timelines has the 3 ai gone

[subtle oracle]

but tycho was on the colony before its collapse and durandal is actively talking to us on TC4

[tranquil basin]

Also timeline 1 already could not have happened

[subtle oracle]

leela we havent seen mention of afaik

[tranquil basin]

Tycho left

[lime ocean]

Leela is still out there

[storm field]

Is there lore to look up about Arachne? Or are they new to Marathon via this game?

[tranquil basin]

Leela also was said specifically to not be on the marathon

[tranquil basin]

They’re new

[lime ocean]

But I guess ONI is replacing Leela

[subtle oracle]

tycho left? are you still going of m1 lore

[tranquil basin]

Oni and Leela aren’t related

[sage lark]

Only from the game

[lime ocean]

By a player standpoint

[storm field]

And does anyone have a really good in depth video for the entire of the Marathon history for me to enjoy? I'm talking MyNameisByf levels of detail

[raw vigil]

The desing of traxus, mida and arachne is gorgeus

[tranquil basin]

Tycho left the marathon in every timeline

Also marathon 1 is canon in every timeline

[sage lark]

Death cult that seeks more info about/through death and cryosleep

[lime ocean]

Yeah, but plot wise

[tranquil basin]

Hidden Xperia imo, Jake the alright, Mandalore gaming

[subtle oracle]

but tycho is actively working on TC4?

[sage lark]

Byf has marathon videos i think

[subtle oracle]

one sec lemme find it

[sage lark]

That was colony era before the attack

[tranquil basin]

He could be back but it wouldn’t be inside the actual marathon

[lime ocean]

ONI monitor every single shell and Implant memories or ones self into shells

[tranquil basin]

They wouldn’t voluntarily put themselves into broken hardware that’s at risk

If they hunt for stuff in the marathon they’d remote access it from wherever they store themselves

[visual lynx]

Tycho wasn't on the colony but was collaborating with colony AIs in his capacity as astronomer

[lime ocean]

Which AI was sold to who Again?

[visual lynx]

Leela was captured by the Pfhor, stolen from them by the Nar, and sold by them to the Vylae

[orchid scroll]

Honestly I wonder when you unlock the end game Cryo Archive map. I think you need to unlock it by playing to story contracts from the agents. What do you think?

[lime ocean]

That's why it says end game map

[subtle oracle]

yeah at 2787 till some unknown point where they get attacked he should still be on the marathon

[tranquil basin]

But they got attacked in 2794

[visual lynx]

yeah

[tranquil basin]

And marathon 1 very much happened already

[lime ocean]

Maybe it will act like dmz, where you would need to find a key to access or go into the map

[tranquil basin]

So Tycho is definitely long gone

I mean he could return but he definitely left the marathon

[visual lynx]

Tycho was likely captured by the Pfhor in Oct 2794

but if we're in the final Infinity timeline, he's not dead yet

and may be free from Pfhor control

[subtle oracle]

yes by the "asteroids". we dont know if that was the pfhor tho

[visual lynx]

well, he may not be dead yet. where we last left him in Infinity he was alive and free.

[tranquil basin]

What

[subtle oracle]

So between 787 and 794 tycho was helping the colony from the Marathon in some capacity

[tranquil basin]

The marathon trilogy happened

Yes

But this game is in 2893

[subtle oracle]

im saying the m26 timeline

the cinematic literally show the asteroids hitting in 2794

[visual lynx]

it was the Pfhor. it was dated the same day as the Pfhor attack (per in-game terminals, contra LNP corrections)

[tranquil basin]

Missiles

Asteroids are way bigger

[visual lynx]

the Marathon basically is an asteroid

[tranquil basin]

If an asteroid hit tau ceti it would’ve caused a planet wide extinction event

And there’d be absolutely 0 ruins of the colony to observe

And even if this was somehow an entirely different timeline from the 7 in the original trilogy, it most definitely had the core events happen like the pfhor invasion

Furthermore the “timeline” differences aren’t exactly like some multiverse thing like marvel where there’s just a bunch of realities to choose from. Like maybe that’s a thing but the timeline splintering in marathon was specifically due to w’rkncacnter stuff and jjaro stuff

So it’s not like it would be a wildly different timeline where the pfhor just didn’t show up

[subtle oracle]

It just feels weird we havent seen them

[sage lark]

The UNSC briefing about the Anomaly also mentions the Pfhor

[tranquil basin]

Well they didn’t have reason to stick around

[sage lark]

Theres even an item with advanced alien entity biopsy

[tranquil basin]

Plus the distress signal wouldn’t have been sent if the pfhor invasion didn’t happen

[visual lynx]

in fairness, when I first saw the cinematic trailer, having forgotten that the July 25th date was a correction from the LNP, seeing those missiles hit the Marathon in a scene dated July 3 made me go "oh shit, this is a timeline where something else happened to the Marathon before Durandal could call the Pfhor?"

but then, no, that's just the original in-game date, and someone ignored the LNP

[subtle oracle]

Gotcha so pfhor attacked, cut comms in 2804, colony was left alone, The Anomaly caused The Contagion in 2812 which actually wiped out the Colony. Then distress signal recieved in like 2888 or smthn

[visual lynx]

well, it appears confirmed now that the 2888 distress signal was not Leela's. it was Durandal (because Ben Starr's voice) and it just said "Somewhere in the heavens, they are waiting." so plausibly that could have been sent, at the much later date it was, for different reasons, even without a Pfhor attack.

[tranquil basin]

I think they lost comms well before 2804

[subtle oracle]

so we dont know what happened between the attack and comms cutting and then between the cutoff and distress signal

[visual lynx]

comms cut immediately in 2794, it must just be that news of that became public in 2804

[drifting oak]

No, I don’t think

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, I wonder if it’s a retcon or if they’ll say Durandal intercepted it or modified the data before sending

[visual lynx]

I don't think they need to retcon anything, just say Leela did send her message to somewhere 92ly from Tau Ceti — which therefore was not Earth.

and then Durandal sent a different message, decades later, that arrived shortly later than Leela expected that hers would.

[subtle oracle]

I still wonder if something new is coming

i just dont feel like bungie would build all this up to be like "its the Pfhor ya got us"

[drifting oak]

I really think they will expend the lore, I expect secret thing like in halo 3 and ODST

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but I assume that’s just a goof, because she specifically noted she was sending a light speed message to earth. They also got some astronomical distances very wrong in 2

[visual lynx]

it's not clear that the Anomaly caused the Contagion. I think most plausibly the S'pht caused the Contagion, and unearthed Jjaro technology caused the Anomaly (decades later), and then those two things interacted with each other catastrophically.

[drifting oak]

Like Little lore hide for player

[subtle oracle]

No the codex logs state theyre connected

[tranquil basin]

Either the 82y thing is a goof or they justify it by saying they had some relay system the message is bouncing around in

[tranquil basin]

It stated they think they’re related, and they probably are, but it’s unclear

[tranquil basin]

I like that style

[tranquil basin]

I mean yeah but the question isn’t if the pfhor wiped out the colony bc we know they didn’t

They still invaded but the colony survived

[visual lynx]

the 92y thing is definitely a goof, but they don't have to retcon anything about it, just say that Leela was in error. she really did sent the message that she sent and it really did take 92ly to arrive — just not to Earth, because she was confused.

she was already converned about how long the message would take, so she would not have intentionally delayed it longer.

and then a separate, unrelated message from Durandal arrived, coincidentally close to when Leela thought hers would.

[drifting oak]

People were saying that there was to much info , with that solution, the person who want to have lore can find it

[visual lynx]

connected doesn't mean one caused the other

[tranquil basin]

I mean yeah but she said she was sending it to earth specifically

[visual lynx]

we see the contagion begin in 2812, and the anomaly begin in 2827

[subtle oracle]

Also one scientist excerpt says the planey might be "alive" in the sense of like the bio attack was like an immune response.

[drifting oak]

I don’t understand, in the cinématic they were saying it took 100 year

[tranquil basin]

Also where else would she have been sending it? There’s no other known extrasolar colonies and if there was, that’d be way harder than to send a message to earth

[subtle oracle]

Maybe the 92 yrs was when she expected the comms array to return to use

[visual lynx]

right, but they can say she was wrong about that, rather than that she was wrong about how long it would take her message to arrive. Leela clearly had something wrong if Tau Ceti is actually 12ly from Earth. Having her get the location of Earth wrong is the easiest way to fit the known data.

[tranquil basin]

Leela’s message would’ve taken 92y to reach earth according to M1, that’s what’s being discussed. This game is 99y after m1

[visual lynx]

what?

[visual lynx]

that's just a hypothesis. narrators can be unreliable.

[burnt nebula]

glitch says her shell feels like a trillion bucks, because that's what it is... but what is a trillion bucks in the 29th century worth in todays money? you know inflation?
and then my other question is how do these runners ever make a profit when they die all the time and their debt is a trillion dollars for every new body? like what do you even earn on a good run? a hundred grand?

[drifting oak]

O sorry; I just mixed everything

[visual lynx]

I did that math a long while back and it's about 25 cents if inflation trends track previous history to date

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but if they were gonn say she’s wrong, it’s way simpler to just say she got the distance wrong rather than saying she didn’t actually try to send it to earth. That would mean she didn’t try to send a message to earth despite needing to

[visual lynx]

it takes about 100 years for the Equanimity to get from Earth to Tau Ceti

[burnt nebula]

nah but for real, the math aint mathing for me... are the runners just perpetually enslaved?

[tranquil basin]

The arg has prices listed at 725k ish for a shell, but the actual currency isn’t specified

[drifting oak]

I saw you can only have like 15,000 crédit, but maybe it only apply for money and not the lodaut

[tranquil basin]

But yeah they probably are in debt for indefinite period

[subtle oracle]

Which I think will be a year 2 deal with the battleroids on deck bc it should arrive in 2894

[tranquil basin]

Also it’s unclear if the credits are the same currency as the financial records in SOL use

[visual lynx]

I'm saying: she tried to send a message to Earth, and she was confused about where Earth was, so the message never arrived.

the alternative is she was correct about the direction Earth was in, but wrong about how far in that direction it was, so she sent her message and it arrived 80 years earlier than expected, which does not appear to have been the case.

[drifting oak]

Thanks you

[visual lynx]

I think that that is the intended implication yes

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but what’s more plausible, that she somehow forgot where earth was? Or that it was a typo

[burnt nebula]

so what are we saying that the dollars used in game arent the real currency those guys are using? just dollars for the gamers to understand easier?

[visual lynx]

multiple lifetimes of debt to pay off the right to be embodied

[tranquil basin]

I mean maybe

[drifting oak]

Hooo, Thats intéresting, I dream that they realise a lore document

[visual lynx]

everyone go outside and watch the eclipse begin in 3 mins

[drifting oak]

Maybe in your country dog, not here

[subtle oracle]

Its credit. exactly what it sounds like. we're in debt and are usiny credit to dig our way out slowly

[drifting oak]

But why is it limited to 150,000 then ?

Or 15,000 I forgot

[burnt nebula]

with the rate i keep dying in game, i probably have more debt than traxus's entire worth

[tranquil basin]

I figure that’s just for gameplay purposes

So they don’t have a ridiculously long number

[subtle oracle]

thats probably more game related than lore related.

artifical progress stop

probably to keep people from trading loot in order to just get everything at once

[burnt nebula]

wait you can only have a certain amount of money? then what? your money evaporates?

[drifting oak]

Okkk i see, yea, it sound good

[drifting oak]

Not it’s like a limit, after you can not have more

Like the 9999 gems in Zelda

[hallow stag]

All lore from ARG gets added to the pinned site right?

[burnt nebula]

so what happens to money you earn? it just disapears?

[sage junco]

may as well ask "why do you only have a certain amount of vault space?" -- well, where is that vault? can I just hire a storage locker with my 150,000cr?

[tranquil basin]

Maybe they justify it by saying “oh it goes to cyac” or something

[drifting oak]

No, it’s just limited, it fan not go higher than 15000 »

[tranquil basin]

Until you upgrade it

[burnt nebula]

yeah but then you play the game and dont earn anything for your progress? so why keep playing?

[tranquil basin]

Idk, the alright runners discord has all the info tho

[drifting oak]

I didnt went that far I only have 22h gang

[subtle oracle]

brother i have 22h and i upgraded my wallet twice

[drifting oak]

Hmm, I think you will use money in game, you are not uncle scrooge

[subtle oracle]

i think max was 100k in the slam

[drifting oak]

You can ?? I didnt knew you can

Dang

[tranquil basin]

Well you spend it

[subtle oracle]

top middle cyac tree iirc

[drifting oak]

Hooooo, i didnt looked that much at this

Maybe i would had to

[burnt nebula]

well yes i will spend it but its gonna be annoying if i start going for pvp a lot and losing money knowing a lot of money i earned previously just evaporated

[drifting oak]

But I bought the game so ill see the 5th match

[tranquil basin]

Well the money cap is huge

Assuming u upgrade it

[drifting oak]

I heard that you can upgrade the wallet

[tranquil basin]

Even if you don’t, I didn’t have more than like 9k at any given time

Plus you’ll be spending the money

[burnt nebula]

there should be no cap imo. just let me keep all my money lol

[subtle oracle]

P sure some guns and stuff can be like 20k+

[tranquil basin]

I mean base guns can be like $200 and kitted ones can be like 1k

The rail guns are definitely the most expensive but even kitted ones probably won’t break 5k

[drifting oak]

My biggest weapon was 5k i think, purple from a boss

[burnt nebula]

how i normally play extraction games is i play slow and careful to begin and stack a tonne of money then i start going for more daring plays

[tranquil basin]

Excepting gold mods

[burnt nebula]

i usually only take fights if i absolutely have to, unless im rich

[subtle oracle]

Well think of what 4 gold mods on a gun would run

[tranquil basin]

Good question

I’m not sure how much gold mods are even worth

[drifting oak]

A lot like really

[tranquil basin]

Also do we know how plentiful those are, like are there even gold mods for each slot for each gun

[tranquil basin]

I mean yeah but idk how much exactly

[drifting oak]

I think 2k per équipement

[tranquil basin]

Oh that’s actually not too bad

[drifting oak]

I love to begin with a 0€ lodayt and end with a 15,000 one

[fast dune]

thats really nothing by the end game as well

[sage lark]

Its 2k to sell a gold mod

[tranquil basin]

Wdym

[sage lark]

I think they will start at 5k+

[tranquil basin]

Is it gonna be like Destiny where u can only have one gold tier mod on an item

Or are there not even enough gold mods to worry about having more than one per gun

[sage lark]

I think each gun has atleast one and then theres chips

Prolly gold scopes too

[fast dune]

assumingly by the time you want gold attachments for your weapon you should have quite a few credits on hand

[tranquil basin]

Hmm I wonder if you can mix them

[subtle oracle]

looked like 1600-3k varying per mod. That with a gun that increases in value based on kills id say some easily hit 20k

[tranquil basin]

Or if they’d deem it too op

[sage lark]

Yeah but one of these gold loadouts would cost you 20+ k

[tranquil basin]

Oh ok I see what you meant I’m dyslexic

[sage lark]

Couple bad runs and youre 50-80k down

[balmy wing]

so chat what do we think the deal is with Arachne

[tranquil basin]

Wdym what’s the deal

[fast dune]

did i read something wrong? i didnt see it potentially being 20k might have misread

[balmy wing]

why are they so fucked up and evil

[tranquil basin]

They’re a religion/cult that worships death

They believe death and cryosleep and related things bring you on the path to salvation

For believers and non believers alike

That’s mostly what’s known. They took a special interest in runners because they can die and then return

They deify them

[sage lark]

The whole loadout

Not just the mod

[balmy wing]

word thank you

[tranquil basin]

Are there gold implants too

Or just weapon mods

Also thank FUCK there’s no shitty weapon durability system

[sage lark]

Gold backpacks, gold cores, implants, mods

And shields

[tranquil basin]

Oh dang

[sage lark]

There kinda is

[balmy wing]

traces hardly count tho

and it’s not as annoying as a durability system would be

[sage lark]

Trace system where if a weapon goes through 5-6 hands it turns into credits

[tranquil basin]

Oh I wasn’t aware of that

Oh wait is that what it means when it’s compromised

[sage lark]

When you inspect items it shows

Yes

[tranquil basin]

Ohhhhh ok

That’s pretty cool

[sage lark]

Then theres volatile items that you need to kill a boss to get a matter fixative

[tranquil basin]

What about the other traits like increasing value on each exfil, is that just something that appears randomly

[sage lark]

Yes random perks

[balmy wing]

is that how fixatives drop? i feel like i just kinda find em sometimes

[sage lark]

I think i found them consistently off of boss/elite drops

There might be other ways

[balmy wing]

word

[tranquil basin]

Mine always seemed random but then again I wasn’t paying attention to it

I also never used them bc I didn’t find a compromised gun that was good

They were all grey

[sage lark]

Yeah pretty much

Probably for copperhead, hbr, zeus etc

Those are rare enough that it would be worth

[tranquil basin]

Oh good point

[balmy wing]

i used it one time for a multitool

[idle crow]

The warehouse is too small.

[tranquil basin]

What

Like

[sage lark]

I think they mean the vault

[tranquil basin]

Oh

[sage lark]

Prolly google translate

[tranquil basin]

Ohhh

[sage lark]

It can be upgraded

[tranquil basin]

Yeah you can pay for more slots

But it does feel a little cramped sometimes

That being said I only got 8 more rows

[sage lark]

Tarkov standard edition taught me to not stockpile stuff

Except like shields and mods here

[idle crow]

I've taken out a few people, evacuated several times, and the warehouse is full.

[sage lark]

Theres U P G R A D E S

I also think youre meant to keep only the best stuff since most of everything is readily available

[idle crow]

I know, but leveling up requires a lot of materials. It's impossible to max out right away when you're just starting out.

[tranquil basin]

Yeah I started selling a whole lot, anything grey, and a lot of the consumables that weren’t shields or patch kits bc I just didn’t use them

[sage lark]

Ammo is useless to keep because its cheap

Grey chips aswell

Grey implants too after a point

[idle crow]

I don't know what works and what doesn't.

[tranquil basin]

Such is life

[subtle oracle]

this is why you play and learn

[tranquil basin]

LIVE AND LEARN

[idle crow]

Hahaha

[subtle oracle]

HANGING ON THE EDGE OF TOMORROW

[idle crow]

Will there be a safe deposit box mechanism?

[rotund stump]

dcons are kinda that but only for contract materials iirc

[dusk lark]

I think this was my biggest issue initially. I love games where I have to get to grips with it and learn, much like older retro games where you were expected to read and work things out. I came into this thinking it'd be like most other things recently and got surprised. After a few hours it began to click better though.

[subtle oracle]

So you cant use dcons just whenever?

[rotund stump]

tried without a dcon contract and it doesn't let you

[subtle oracle]

this seems to be the gen sentiment. play retention and enjoyment grew as the slam went on

Which means people should understand and enjoy more off launch now.

[dusk lark]

I'm a little hesistant to open my wallet to Bungie after the transaction fiasco's of D1/D2 but man, the art style is enough for me to support given in my mind if i'm not supporting what I like to see which is something different, I won't get more of it!

[eternal knoll]

maybe in a later season, possibly never

[tranquil basin]

Yeah im a fan of learning curves. I mean it means I’ll get murdered a lot while figuring out how on earth to play but it’s far more satisfying to learn via experience than have everything handed to me

[dusk lark]

Playing rook and having that be available all the time made it a lot more manageable at first

[subtle oracle]

Also i think we're matchmade by gear ante (basically loadout cost/rarity) and so even joining mid season wouldnt put you at a big disadvantage bc you shouldnt be matchmade with greys and no shield against gold loadouts

[eternal knoll]

i kinda got into tarkov a year back in preparation for getting into arc raiders in preparation for getting into this game...

[dusk lark]

I've got my mind into thinking of it as a roguelike so i'm not actually 'losing' anything since i've not played an extraction shooter before

[tranquil basin]

That would lowkey suck bc then I’ll never loot better stuff from other ppl

[eternal knoll]

i hope this isn't too strict if it exists, killing a geared player with your free kit is an important part of the mix. and i did see it happen during the slam

[subtle oracle]

This is how lots of people are taking it, esp rook.

[subtle oracle]

this is the point of rook imo. If you wanna skip the hastle, run rook, otherwise youll have to progress normally

[drifting mulch]

arc was my first extraction and i've been spoiled by friendly lobbies. i can hold my own in pvp but having experienced cooperating with strangers that have nothing to benefit from helping you is a unique experience i wish i had more of in the server slam

[subtle oracle]

Its not slow by any means and def not too strict. was looting a purple off a guy while running a free sponsor kit

[eternal knoll]

rook definitely leans hard toward that, but it's kinda destructive if you can take a free kit with too much confidence that you'll be up against other free kits

[subtle oracle]

Its not too strict but its strict enough a 20k loadout isnt matched against a 7k one

[eternal knoll]

i wonder if rooks will get to spawn in duo queue. the evil genius of tarkov is that there's only one queue, you're only in control of what you'll take, not what you'll encounter. it's a design compromise that maximises the sense of place over gameplay fairness

[subtle oracle]

idk when the cutoff is tho. also i think ranked will have a minimum loadout ante tbh. like you cant do it without proper gear

[eternal knoll]

yea ranked having an ante makes sense

i'd personally advocate for mixing solos duos n trios together, letting rooks meet all of them, and using ranked as the place where you do get strict with it

but i absolutely see how solos and duos are more playable if you're not having to deal with trios. of course

the thing is that they just make so much noise they're fairly avoidable

[regal bough]

I was going through the stickers on the hearoursilence site, and I can see people discussing the background and 8 stickers with the video clips
I see 3 stickers that are just letters and numbers (XR-89, DPQ-34, 192-56), was wondering if anyone knows what these are about?

[idle crow]

I wish to add a security pocket.

[drifting mulch]

lore wise it wouldn't make sense, when your shell dies, the runner is forcibly ejected. i thought DCONs were safe pockets on the map but it's not

[subtle oracle]

Someone on twitter said maybe arachne is the cult following the S'pht/compilers

red cloak, weird imagery, cult/religious vibes

[idle crow]

Perhaps.

[simple garden]

in the cinematic is that DURANDAL narrating?

[signal tapir]

Where can I research Traxus lore so I can rp in game?

[tranquil basin]

Arg videos from Jake the alright

[tranquil basin]

I don’t think that’s canon

Oh you said maybe that’s my bad

That would be cool if they did

Compilers are dripped out

[tranquil basin]

Yes

[tranquil basin]

If you’re not in the alright runners discord that’s probably a great place to ask, they have lots of ppl familiar with arg stuff

[simple garden]

when we extract are we being uploaded into a server and we are tricked into thinking we are using our shells (BASED on the CINEMATIC)? or what's going on with that?

[tranquil basin]

When you extract you go with your shells. It’s unclear if you stay in the shells between missions or in downtime. Some people say no because it’d make sense if they just keep you enslaved and hibernating until your next contract.

However I’d wager you stay in the shells between missions and do stuff to preserve sanity, even if it isn’t super luxurious living

[remote nymph]

anyone completed the crossword? 🙂

[simple garden]

that's ONI in the cinematic right? is ONI lying to all the shells? wouldn't they find out if they talked to each other in contracts?

is ONI the singular AI present 'physically' in proximity to TAUCETI IV?

[sweet jay]

Isnt oni just part of every shells AI?

[simple garden]

ONI wasn't originally in the OG Marathon right?

[tranquil basin]

It is ONI. If you’re asking if she’s lying about their childhood photos or something, personally I think no

[tranquil basin]

No she wasn’t. Also whether she’s physically present near tau ceti is unclear

She probably is considering you didn’t have comms with the other factions until fixing the ftl comms

[simple garden]

I see

[stiff frigate]

Hi, will there be a lot/easy/regular access to (new) lore elements in the game rather than just playing and looting ?

[simple garden]

so what was durandals thing after marathon is he just wandering space

or he is going to earth to do a quick drive by

PROMETHEUS style?

is he chilling near the TCIV system and tricking earth factions into investing back into the MARATHON ordeal

what's the main thing you folk have been running with

[random fern]

Why the freaky bots attach their umbilical cords to us?

[simple garden]

intel?

[subtle oracle]

p sure the crossword is the old ARG. Theyre on the little art stickers now

[exotic glade]

Nope. The OGs are Tycho, Leela and Durandal
-# This FTL message was sent by a NuCaloric™ Representitave, No. 1310, For You.™

[stuck holly]

Likely coming back to figure out a way to escape the universe and jjaro tech is the only thing he can think of that’s advanced enough to give a chance

Or he misses us

[simple garden]

so Oni is the successor of the one that assissted the OG MC?

[simple garden]

he wants to leave the universe?

so he is beyond jealousy?

[remote nymph]

there's a new crossword, and yes, it needs various interior details, graffiti, stickers, etc. I managed to find about hlaf during server slam

[simple garden]

can't be jealous for too long right? (clueless)

[stuck holly]

He got intelligent enough to realize the universe is doomed to collapse so he’s trying to escape. That’s where the whole “escape will make me god” quote comes from

[simple garden]

I see so it wasn't about going beyond his confinement in the literal sense

like DAVID

[stuck holly]

I’m sure it was in the start before he realized there were things beyond even his comprehension out there

Originally he wanted to steal a ship to explore the universe on his own

[simple garden]

where is all this matter for the shells coming from

btw

is it not a limited resource?

[stuck holly]

Idk the worms print stuff

I’m sure it’s in the codex somewhere

[simple garden]

if its not limited couldn't CYBERACME act like NVIDIA

and provide all these factions

with their own

shell prints

to have a corpo wars in tauceti

I'm sure they can send UESC like AIs through FTL to inhabit 'shells'

[untold lake]

Hoping somebody can help. Before I dive in to YouTube myself, are there any really engaging/immersive lore videos. If anyone who played Elden Ring might know, a guy called Vaati did such good lore videos and looking for a Marathon version like this to watch now

[exotic glade]

Saw a theory Bingus is Durandal bc in the logs ALL the doors open for Bingus. Durandal was the DOOR AI
-# This FTL message was sent by a NuCaloric™ Representitave, No. 1310, For You.™

[simple garden]

nothing yet, everything still seems quite rushed and brief. I think until someone collects all of the CODEX, plays the map extensively with good high quality footage and some events take place within the first season

[stuck holly]

Jake The Alright and Jeoku

[simple garden]

we won't get anything worth while

[untold lake]

I found a website that has a lot of lore on it, I can try and find it. Was like CODEX and think mainly from the existing games from the 90's. Been a while. Hopefully somebody with the talent plays this, gets obsessed and does amazing lore videos almost like "files". I would love to do but I am not the person, just have the ideas!

[untold lake]

Thank you, will have a look

[subtle oracle]

Oh okay i thought you were talking ab the one before my b. Bungie and their crosswords

[remote nymph]

it's fun, hidden in a mock Linux instance and all 🙂

[subtle oracle]

do you mean this one https://x.com/MrRoflWaffles/status/2027826747375223227?s=20

[remote nymph]

yes

[subtle oracle]

oof

[remote nymph]

boo for spoilers 😄

[subtle oracle]

Sorry i just was like "im p sure thats the old arg..."

the new one is https://hearoursilence.com/zine

[remote nymph]

oh nice, more things

[visual lynx]

my theory is that he has transcended time entirely, seen the whole of history, and returned here and now to subtly intervene and steer the course of events he knows are coming

[visual lynx]

that was a theory back before we had any info on them

I wanna publish zines

and rage against machines

[thick meteor]

日本語でテキストが読めるのがすごく嬉しいです。日本語翻訳チームに感謝します！🙏

[astral palm]

i thought there were different types of doors on the marathon and who got the access to them?

[eternal shell]

By: Estasia Orestes, Dominick I. Plackar, and Ursa Simbalzi
Date:<2402.03.23.16.42>

There are five basic door designs to be used on the Marathon:
1. Outer Bulkhead Doors
2. Airlock Doors
3. Inner Bulkhead Doors
4. Tertiary or Inner Sealed Non-Vacuum Safe Doors
5. Quaternary or Inner Powered Automatic Opening Doors

Direct control of all doors except the Tertiary and Quaternary
doors will be given to Durandal with indirect control of all
other doors going to Durandal.  The difference between direct
and indirect control primarily has to do with the manner of
opening the doors.  Durandal will only open a directly
controlled door when he is specifically asked to do so.
Indirectly controlled doors are automatically controlled by
Durandal to open when needed.```

[astral palm]

yeah but why would durandal be THE cat lol? he could just be opening doors for the cat

[eternal shell]

iunno

but i know there's 5 types of doors on the marathon

[visual lynx]

doesn't it say there is no record of doors being accessed for the cat

and separately there's a thing where Durandal swears there was no unusual airlock access when MIDA broke into the ship during construction

I think these things are probably no coincidence. I think the cat is probably a skeleton key that opens doors bypassing Durandal.

hidden as someone's synthetic pet because who would suspect the cute pink plastic kitty of being a tool of MIDA insurgents

[eternal shell]

calling it now, durandal went rampant cause he couldnt figure out why some doors kept opening

all this crazy shit happening cause of a pink cat called bingus

[bitter hatch]

The caterpillar infests us all

[exotic glade]

Durandal was the door AI from waht I know
-# This FTL message was sent by a NuCaloric™ Representitave, No. 1310, For You.™

[terse wren]

I spat out my drink ty lmao

[eternal shell]

yw

[lilac prawn]

Can anyone explain arachne a bit more to me

[lilac prawn]

Durandals sole job was opening doors and upon realising this he went rampant, yeah

[proper robin]

The main YouTube also posted a short announcing thisnone

[hollow atlas]

wait so are there 7 runner shells?

obviously more of them will come in the future but

bungie loves the number 7 ofc

the fact they can all hear durandal feels very specific

[simple garden]

interesting

[icy steppe]

Is durandal the marathon ships ai?

[simple garden]

former it is rogue and gone

it is now

a 'god'

or in its way to be

[icy steppe]

So why do we think the shells can hear him?

[simple garden]

I don't think they can

the only time we can hear durandal is in the cinematic

at least directly

so far we have ONI which is on site

and the other AIs or corpo folk from back on earth

[icy steppe]

If you don’t mind my questions how is Cyberacme related to the marathon and the shells?

[hollow atlas]

you can hear him in a very rare off chance when you spawn in

[simple garden]

what does he say?

[hollow atlas]

he kinda hijacks the intro from ONI

[simple garden]

it*

hmmmm

[hollow atlas]

very odd shit, as per usual

nothing insane, it basically says some poetic shit

[simple garden]

ngl during the other test

I thought that when running

the heat build up sounds like people screaming

like right before you overheat

now it sounds normal

[icy steppe]

I thought I heard him during the server slam say some cryptic stuff about how “this place will be you’re grave” or something

[hollow atlas]

everything runs on CyAc, basically. it's not that its completely related to the marathon, just one of the many parties interested in whatever is in Tau Ceti

[simple garden]

just like Nvidia right now

[fast gulch]

I think that was the UESC AI

[icy steppe]

What are cyberacmes “salvage rights”?

[simple garden]

is it possible that ONI is a fragment or successor of the OG AI(s)

[fast gulch]

Isnt Taxus the ones with rights?

[hollow atlas]

ONI is a caretaker AI, at least thats the impression she gave me

[simple garden]

on paper they can fight UESC and say they own pretty much everything, they could claim it all since they have more prevalent presence in a physical aspect

[icy steppe]

This information cram is crazy

[simple garden]

then again could be manipulated or created by durandal

to make contact with CyAc on earth

[hollow atlas]

if it was at the beginning of a run, it was 100% Durandal, indicated by the speaker on the subtitles if you have that on

[simple garden]

and bait us human into getting invovled again

[subtle oracle]

Oh shit reading the lore archive bc it has codex stuff

holy shit

the contagion was actively aggressive

"I conclude that the contagion's behvior is intentional... directed. Hostile"

[hollow atlas]

i think moreso Durandal is running subroutines on the shells to keep tabs on everything happening in TCIV

[subtle oracle]

from gaius

[hollow atlas]

and ONI has no idea

[fast gulch]

I saw it once in footage, but I don't think they had subtitles on, but it sounded similar to the UESC Ai

[subtle oracle]

"The colonists tried to alert Earth, yet there is no record of a distress signal from the planet's surface.

Conclusion. The message was never sent."

[gentle lodge]

Hey folks, was rewatching the Cinematic short and had a bit of a theory develop. Apologies if this is old, but if runners are disembodied consciousnesses implanted in shells then I believe the Assassin and Vandal shell share the same consciousness.

[subtle oracle]

this is before or near 2812 when the contagion hit

[fast gulch]

whats odd is the complete lack of Phor on the planet

[icy steppe]

I understand necaloric grew crops and traxus is a mining and shipping industry. And mida are the mars terrorists. I can understand their “salvage rights” as they bled into the colonization efforts. So how did cyber acme and the death cult an sekagshi help to feel they also have the right to salvage?

[hollow atlas]

durandal line if u dont wanna get spoiled or whatever
||https://fixupx.com/MarathonCodec/status/2027397537775116481?s=20||

[subtle oracle]

We're gonna find that out i assume

[hollow atlas]

oh it didnt embed, right

its just a twitter link

[simple garden]

everything runs on CyAc (kinda)

[subtle oracle]

is waves a reference to the w'rkencancter

[hollow atlas]

could be

[fast gulch]

its weird to have all this equipment to study alien life and not have a Phor in a jar somewhere, were they all left on the ship? Is it a different timeline?

[subtle oracle]

"The sample's meta-spectrograph matches the energy field known as the Anomaly. Conclusion. The Anomaly is likely the root cause of the contagion. It may have caused the breakdowns in colony AI, though that investigation is incomplete."

[gentle lodge]

In Infinity didn't Durandal tell the PC that everyone on the planet was dead? Durandal is the furthest thing from a reliable narrator so maybe something happened outside of the original trilogy plot

[subtle oracle]

We do have alien biomatter as a lootable

[icy steppe]

Guess I’m having a hard time grasping that. Like some sort of mother ai?

[subtle oracle]

Well this takes place after M1 only so far

[simple garden]

I mean it more in the physical sense

[subtle oracle]

M2 and infinity are up in the air

[fast gulch]

they are probably just opportunist, they have the power and technology to be on planet, so they are

[simple garden]

cyac has a monopoly on how to make certain things

[gentle lodge]

Ah that's right

[simple garden]

that other factions just can't

[zinc moat]

CyAc is Mac OS

Essentially

[hollow atlas]

i think the game is 100% set post marathon infinity's durandal-thoth merge

[simple garden]

Mac OS, but Nvidia MONOPOLY

👀

[zinc moat]

I say Mac because the originals were for Mac btw

[hollow atlas]

moreso because durandal might actually just be bingus LMAO

[subtle oracle]

I think this is a coincidental bit at most

[gentle lodge]

I cracked this as a joke a few years ago... wild how that panned out lol

[fast gulch]

yeah thats much more durandal, a different voice actor to the 'you will die here' guy I think

[subtle oracle]

Im just glad the anomaly is directly causing the contagion.

[icy steppe]

How does this pink cat fit into this?

[hollow atlas]

not at all, have you seen the codex about the cat?

[spring harness]

Bingus

Very simple if you ask me

[zinc moat]

They probably weren't allowed to take pets on the voyage because they would have been invasive species

So artificial pets

[fast gulch]

that could just be the plants or the birds or the tick things

[zinc moat]

And thus, Bingus

[subtle oracle]

Yeah and the connection is... doors

[fast gulch]

they are just a tech company, they make hardware and software

[spring harness]

Like the roblox game

[hollow atlas]

i mean if you look at it at face value, yes. but this is marathon we're talking about.

[subtle oracle]

No bc they already know of the plants and ticks and birds. The colony registered that info its why we have tick milk already

[spring harness]

Nah it's just the final version of open ai man

[hollow atlas]

Durandal merged with Thoth, Durandal of course was the door AI in the Marathon but moreso, Thoth is the name of the egyptian god of wisdom and doors and hallways were always sacred. like it is a bit of a stretch yes, but so was everything about Marathon Infinity so...

[spring harness]

Dude I swear to God marathon lore is running as deep as final fantasy lore at this point

[subtle oracle]

I literally think its more of an easter egg/reference. Durandal is much too self reliant to simply be a pet.

[fast gulch]

they are still alien life. And where you see 3 named alien creatures, you'll probably find more

[hollow atlas]

Durandal had a full change of attitude after dying

[proper robin]

As I've said before. If you get powerful enough, you can really stretch the concept of 'doors' to a ridiculous degree.

[fast gulch]

more like closed AI

[spring harness]

Deam is ram. That high now

[kindred sapphire]

Is the cat actually in the game? I never saw it in the demo

[subtle oracle]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/_images/Xenobiopsy_Box.jpg
"advanced alien being"

[spring harness]

I'm pretty sure no but players will find a way

[proper robin]

It's probably ki d of rare and you have to pay attention

[fast gulch]

I heard of it being an auto sold item? Didnt see it tho

[subtle oracle]

none of the things we've seen are advanced

[hollow atlas]

i saw a bingus

some are stationary some move when u see them

they're p elusive

they also do cat stretches

[subtle oracle]

I hope concerto in d minor plays during Cryo Archive

[kindred sapphire]

That's dope

[hollow atlas]

moreso became much more poetic and careful after merging with Thoth, he even took back his need to overcome the end of the world. i don't think we fully understand what the fuck Durandal is about now

[fast gulch]

a bird is a complex lifeform, it could be anything

[subtle oracle]

alr bro die on that hill

[spring harness]

Also really are any of the runners named or are they just whoever we are

[subtle oracle]

this is an interesting question given we never hear our names referenced

[fast gulch]

until they say 'this is a Phor', it isn't Phor

[proper robin]

We are all the same runner, copied endlessly by Cyberac

[idle bloom]

I imagine they are just bodies that you inhabit, you're still "you"

[hollow atlas]

the Phor aren't the only aliens out there mind you

[spring harness]

Yeah like I saw a trailer where the characters do speak at least if I remember correctly and are shown to have their own personality but not named

[finite night]

pink cat? you can sometimes spot him on map

[fast gulch]

That would be cool. Was any of the old music in the test?

[subtle oracle]

the shells are copies like mass produced but the consciousness inside is individual

[hollow atlas]

there is a possibility the Jjaro are in TCIV

[subtle oracle]

Oh I had most music off. I mean the piano piece from the reveal cinematic

[idle bloom]

I notice the vandal never changes to another shell in that, even tho they died a bunch.
I wonder if in universe you can't change your shell? or if they just like them the most

[proper robin]

I know, I was just shitposting about that possibility.

[subtle oracle]

yeah it seems basically they know its another person

[spring harness]

I mean in my head it's just that each shell is tailored to each runner

Thus the modifications and diferent shells

[fast gulch]

In the intro it says we have just died, so we could be anyone. They might wipe memories

[hollow atlas]

and we also haven't even seen the S'pht yet

[idle bloom]

could be ez way to introduce more shells

[hollow atlas]

which they will probably bee roaming around the Marathon

[spring harness]

My thoughts exactly

[proper robin]

Yet, but the UESC has and it turns out that their robots are pretty bad against them.

[hollow atlas]

you say that but in the short film, whoever was running Vandal swapped to an Assassin shell by the end of it

[spring harness]

Bro it's the military of course their loosing to some guy

[spring harness]

Touche

[fast gulch]

robots are the last thing you want to send against the space hacker nation

[idle bloom]

I am a tad confused, I thought the assassin and Vandal were two seperate characters?

[subtle oracle]

Yes we have, we saw a compiler in the trailers

a compiler is literally the server header

[proper robin]

I am shocked and appalled.

[spring harness]

I mean yeah me two bu I trust I'm not getting misinformed

[subtle oracle]

unless you mean on dire marsh/perimeter

[spring harness]

Bc like vandal and assassin were behaving pretty diferent in my opinion

[hollow atlas]

i mean, the ones on the ground yes, but the Vandal is seen holding a picture of themselves before deploying and the Assassin is holding that same picture at the very end, which means its just the same person on a different shell

[spring harness]

Or they stole it bc it looked funny

[hollow atlas]

they died tho

so no

[proper robin]

Or the AI could be showing the same picture to everyone

[idle bloom]

To me, that hinted potentially that they are all given that same exact photo and told that it's all them.

[fast gulch]

or stole it because all the shell peoples memories are soup

[hollow atlas]

the Thief killed the Assassin that was on Tau Ceti

[fast gulch]

Oni could say anything and they would agree

[hollow atlas]

that is also a possibility but...

[spring harness]

Yep like bro honestly might have thought it was him

[spring harness]

I mean hey dude well see when the game is out

[warm drum]

What if none of those changes to the Vandal in that short are actually the same soul at all and in fact every single one of those changes to the skin are different consciousnesses doing the same loop at the same time? 😗

[hollow atlas]

the shells run a basic behavioral protocol, they say so in the intro. they are supposed to behave a certain way to protect the consciousness that inhabit them from growing any sort of attachment

to protect the subconscious of the person i think was the wording they used

[fast gulch]

were shells themselves based on people?

[hollow atlas]

that i cant answer

[fast gulch]

do they die everytime?

[spring harness]

Bro these are some mad theories

[fast gulch]

grim if true

[idle bloom]

I like that idea, maybe each shell has a kind of "base kit" of memories/personality traits, and you aren't really the same person when you swap between them, cuz all those Vandals acted very similarly

[warm drum]

Agreed, theorying is fun

[hollow atlas]

exactly

[warm drum]

That would be wild too

[spring harness]

But hey that's just a theory a GAME THEORY

[idle bloom]

Bingus theory

[warm drum]

Thanks for watching

[hollow atlas]

well it's not wild cus that is just factually how they describe it in game.

[spring harness]

Or again same person

[hollow atlas]

however, the person who's inhabiting that shell... could be anything.

i think that's the interesting part

[fast gulch]

more AI

what if we were Durandal all along?????

[idle bloom]

synthetic soul in a synthetic body, given fake memories so you don't freak the F out

[spring harness]

Yeah like the fact that we don't know anything about how the shells run is you know weird

[spring harness]

You are not a real boy Pinocchio you'll never be ahh theory

[hollow atlas]

well, 7 shells on release. a mural with 2 AI one of them depicting themselves separating 7 times. you might not be far off.

[idle bloom]

they are real to me!

[fast gulch]

We defo know something is being trafered to the shells at birth(?) and death

[spring harness]

Birth is an overstatement

[hollow atlas]

either that or it's Darius, the AI voiced by Neil Newbonn

[fast gulch]

creation?

[spring harness]

They clankers bro

[fast gulch]

runtime?

[spring harness]

More like production

[fast gulch]

Id be shocked if any runner makes it back home, not a sane job opportunity

should have stayed at Tesco

[idle bloom]

I can't imagine they planned for you to ever pay off your shells

[spring harness]

Yeah let's be honest runners are just guys looking to go big but end up getting lobotomised

[idle bloom]

they even mention that you will be in debt until they deem it paid off (so never)

[hollow atlas]

the original number of shells that were commissioned was like 25000 btw

let that sink in

[spring harness]

Bro doesn't each shell cost like a billion dollars

[idle bloom]

make that a trillion

tho idk what inflation has done

[hollow atlas]

and a few of those were of a different class that Traxus ordered in secrecy and the UESC ended up discovering too late

[spring harness]

Yeah mb a jerseys kiss costs like 5 thousand

[cold snow]

"well it feels like what it is, a trillion bucks" is said in the short film, now it might not be that much but in that ballpark 😭

[hollow atlas]

i genuinely dont know what those shells could be honestly

[burnt nebula]

so now im thinking about these trillion dollar shells. all coming from the same place. and they end up killing eachother most of the time, driving eachother further and further into insane financial debt that probably can never be repayed because you dont make enough money... and somehow the sekaguci or whoever is running all of this doesn't seem too bothered, just keep pumping out the shells...

[fast gulch]

how is picking up a Bonsai tree or used rations ever going to pay for making a fully synthetic body every run?

[spring harness]

Bro it's a damn conspiracy

[idle bloom]

hey, there is also liquid cheeseburgers

[hollow atlas]

SekGen suddenly lost its CEO cus he was forced to resign then suddenly SekGen is on the race for Tau Ceti.

MUCH to think about.

[cold snow]

Insane inflation, the robotic silk worms logically keep the actual price immensely lower, it's likely to make sure you never pay off your debt

[fast gulch]

oh did they bring the shells from earth?

[hollow atlas]

the original ones yeah

[fast gulch]

infact how did anyone get to this star system? what ship were they on?

[hollow atlas]

whoever is commanding those shells is IN the system

[fast gulch]

they are making on on site?

[rocky depot]

So the UESC is orbiting Tau Ceti?

[idle bloom]

Where are shells stored even? I can't imagine it's on the planet, UESC could just attack the facility or smthn

[burnt nebula]

inside the worms

[hollow atlas]

many different ships i assume, every single faction made their way to Tau Ceti over the course of 100 years

[idle bloom]

mb u right, I mean like, where are the worms xD

[burnt nebula]

in the labs on board the ship

[hollow atlas]

shells are not stored anymore, they are made in place, but Traxus did commission a large amount of shells before they left for Tau Ceti

at least i assume so

the making the shells part

[fast gulch]

The shell is stored inside the worms

[hollow atlas]

Traxus DID in fact commission shells

[rocky depot]

But the distress signal was only received in 2886

[burnt nebula]

the shells are made on demand by the worms

[hollow atlas]

we are still on those 100 years.

[rocky depot]

Game takes place in 2894

[fast gulch]

Marathon in its day was peak tech and super expensive, that must have been a massive undertaking

[hollow atlas]

again. we are still on those 100 years.

[rocky depot]

So we're still on the way to the system?

[burnt nebula]

someone said humans now have faster than light travel by the time marathon reached tau ceti

[hollow atlas]

not necessarily, FTL was already invented

[fast gulch]

it was a a 'the pee is stored inside the balls' type joke, mb

[burnt nebula]

so everyone else can get there way faster than it took the marathon to get there

[hollow atlas]

the expedition itself is said to be 100 years, at least that's what the ARG kinda left up for interpretation

[subtle oracle]

2893. 2894 is when the UESC ship is supposed to arrive

[rocky depot]

Well the Marathon took 300 years to reach Tau Ceti originally.

[subtle oracle]

Comms yes, but physical transfer is more difficult

[rocky depot]

Wait but the codex

[subtle oracle]

yes the codex says 2893 lmao

[fast gulch]

then humans would have gotten there first, is the colony older than the USEC Marathon?

[subtle oracle]

every material says 2893 for when we the runners are there. UESC salvage ship comes in 2894 which I think will kick off year 2

[rocky depot]

There's a codex entry that has the UESC sending anomalous materials into Tau Ceti orbit for study by human scientists. So wouldn't they already be in orbit above Tau Ceti?

[hollow atlas]

don't expect time to be linear in Marathon, i'll tell yall that much

[subtle oracle]

Why tf would they give us years then man

[burnt nebula]

the distress signal took nearly 100 years to reach earth so nobody knew to go there until they got that signal

[hollow atlas]

when the timeline looks sorta like this... who knows.
https://preview.redd.it/are-infinity-and-durandal-parallel-ive-come-across-some-v0-oycc3klc6sh91.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=048f81273e8610610c4f0465c42582e0a11d1834

[fast gulch]

yeah but if you have FTL travel where else are you going to go? Nobody bothered to look for near 100 years?

[hollow atlas]

THAT'S what took 100 years. im dumb.

[fast gulch]

its the closest star system to earth remember

[subtle oracle]

Yeah its not that hard. We know we're post M1 and not in M2 or infinity. So we're in one of the other 5 lines

if they keep the 7 timeline structure

[burnt nebula]

if you have FTL travel then you can go anywhere to be honest, really really fast

[rocky depot]

So the UESC has people in orbit, but also doesn't and is still in transit? What?

[hollow atlas]

I mean, Durandal-Thoth definitely happened.

so we don't rly know that

[subtle oracle]

Its confirmed they dont have FTL bc why else would the UESC plan for the 12 LY trip

[hollow atlas]

that didn't happen on the main timeline

at least not the 1 & 2 one

cus Durandal HAD to die for that to happen

[idle bloom]

Alpha Centauri is closest to earth, Tau Ceti isn't

[hollow atlas]

Tau Ceti is kinda far ye

[fast gulch]

yeah Im doubtful of FTL travel as well, little makes sense with it. They might have FTL communications though

[burnt nebula]

humans colonized Reach first in the 26th century, only 100 years after the marathon left. if its halo universe.

[subtle oracle]

this is confirmed by multiple things, most notably ONI straight up says hey get me on UESC FTL comms to talk to the other factions

[fast gulch]

yeah I got them completely confused, mb

[hollow atlas]

if only peak was real...

that was the original plan anyway

[rocky depot]

Wait so are we and the UESC drones being beamed directly from Earth to Tau Ceti?

[hollow atlas]

no

[fast gulch]

but it is pretty close

[rocky depot]

Because if the UESC hasn't arrived yet-

Wait so

wait so the UESC is still in transit right

[hollow atlas]

not alpha centauri close

[idle bloom]

it's double the distance

[subtle oracle]

marathon 2 is not canon

[hollow atlas]

where did u get that from

like legit question

i mightve missed it

[burnt nebula]

im confused about wether sphits are enemies or not

[rocky depot]

but the UESC also has reaearch stations in orbit as described in the codex that study anomalous materials under Captain Orion. Orion is in-system

So like

Which is it

[hollow atlas]

they're loyal to Durandal in M1. that's as much as i can say to that LOL

[burnt nebula]

like if you didnt know anything abuot marathon and just watched the cinematic trailer you'd see the sphit and assume he's an enemy

[fast gulch]

double the distance of the closest thing to sol isnt far in space terms

[subtle oracle]

Because Earth has no information about the PFhor as far as we know which would rule out a large story beat of M2

Also the timelines split after 1

and we're not in 2

[burnt nebula]

well i think only some of them are, there may be other factions among the race... not sure about that though

[hollow atlas]

that still means Durandal died tho

[subtle oracle]

They are being used to fight us in the og game. Theyre slaves to the Pfhor and forced to fight us

[subtle oracle]

Durandal and the marathon have been attacked or hit by something

we dont know what but given compilers are on the marathon, we can safely assume it was probably pfhor

Past that it diverges

Which may be due the The Anomaly

[burnt nebula]

isn't durandal in the cinematic trailer though

[hollow atlas]

nono i mean

[subtle oracle]

he also sends the signal to earth. or at least hijacks leelas

[hollow atlas]

durandal dying doesnt mean he's dead LOL

[rocky depot]

Look we don't have any idea what the fuck is going on

[subtle oracle]

p much

[burnt nebula]

this is true

[hollow atlas]

weird sentence i know but

[subtle oracle]

we can educated guess but nothing really gets concrete until the 12th when cryo drops

[hollow atlas]

he jumped timelines with Mjolnir anyway so

[rocky depot]

I mean ffs no one can answer whether or not the UESC are in-system because according to Worm the UESC aren't but ingame it's implied they are

[subtle oracle]

outside ofc the anomaly stuff which is what most of the codex has focused on

[rocky depot]

Like how the fuck are we on the planet

[fast gulch]

you should have to agree to the be able to post

[subtle oracle]

but the anomaly is not og marathon at all

[fast gulch]

its was all a dream

[hollow atlas]

and i assume we're going to encounter Mjolnir to some capacity cus the last ARG had Mjolnir models on it

[burnt nebula]

i hope bungie knows what theyre doing

[hollow atlas]

oh they do

lore is the one thing they never flake on

[fast gulch]

Will Mr Security Officer guy be a boss on the Marathon

[hollow atlas]

i dont want to kill Mjolnir

but i will if i have to

[fast gulch]

doubt we can

[burnt nebula]

well i know nothing about destiny but what i gather is that it was an endless goose chase, more questions with no answers, cant explain this now theres no time kinda lore

[hollow atlas]

no time to explain was a d1 thing, right now its been pretty solid so

the ONE thing d2 hasnt rly been ass about

[fast gulch]

the lore text in game was more concrete than Destiny, but also pretty dry imo

[hollow atlas]

i say this as a d2 player rn

tbf there's also so much they could show on a server slam

i imagine the juicy codex parts are on the full game

[fast gulch]

hopefully you get them for doing something cool

[burnt nebula]

tbh what gets my neurons firing is the part where i'm a digital consciousness inside a body made out of worm vomit, and the psychological horror surrounding that. i dont care about durandal tbh

i just wanna know all about the digital consciousness thing

[hollow atlas]

i wanna know who we are supposed to be more than anything

which just might not rly have an answer for self insert reasons

[burnt nebula]

there are theories about durandal being interested in the runners due to the implications of runner rampancy

[subtle oracle]

So it seems theres a discretion

"????: It is still unknown when UESC Equanimity arrived at Tau Ceti IV; however, some documents suggest they arrived on or before 2888 (93 years later). "

the equinimity was projected to arrive in 2894

but theres emails about shedded weight and speeding it up

[hollow atlas]

it is a digitalized being after all. i wanna see that first hand so bad.

[subtle oracle]

so its possible the Equinimity is basically where the UESC is coming from AND Traxus has some hand in putting the runners there along with a joint operation with CyAc and SekGen

[hollow atlas]

so nobody knows how tf the UESC got there faster than expected?

[gray sluice]

Traxus invented the FTL matter transfers

[subtle oracle]

afaik just a disembodied conscousness. A zero that will become a hero for the factions and unraveling the mystery going on

[subtle oracle]

They never state to have invented it yet

[white anvil]

Well it could be that the got the alien tech from the pyramid on earth and kept hush hush

[gray sluice]

Yes they did hold on

[subtle oracle]

They mention working on it but afaik not perfecting it. Or maybe it was the deal where its biomatter that cant be transferred yet

[gray sluice]

I concede Traxus's improvements to FTL infrastructure, but data still travels better than tissue.

Original FTL infrastructure would be the fusion missiles

[hollow atlas]

Jjaro tech is what made humanity be able to make the Marathon in the first place

allegedly

[subtle oracle]

where tf are they getting fusion missiles

[white anvil]

Ye but knowing the uesc the would keep most of what they found deep secrets

[storm field]

I love the night and day difference between this channel and the general chat 😂

[hollow atlas]

well not the Marathon but the ability to colonize planets and asteroids and yadda yadda

[gray sluice]

Thought marathon was modelled by the CRIST design

[subtle oracle]

the Impact in M26 happens in 2794, losing connection to earth/mars

aka durandal cant send back anything

[hollow atlas]

i mean its all derived from the Jjaro tech from the mexican pyramid at the end of the day

there is no CRIST or Mars colony or nothing without that tech

[subtle oracle]

College vs elementary accordingly

[gray sluice]

Based on the lore of the Marathon trilogy, the CRISTs (Colony Resource Inter-system Transfer Ships) were not explicitly stated in the primary, direct text to be modeled after Jjaro technology.

[hollow atlas]

no i know

thats not what im saying

[gray sluice]

Right so jjaro is really really speculative

Best answer I could find was

Jjaro Ruins on Mars: It is a popular, supported theory in the Marathon community that Jjaro ruins or relics were discovered on Mars and subsequently studied by humanity.
Reverse Engineering: Humanity used these ancient findings to advance their own technology, including the development of artificial intelligence (like the AI Durandal) and the creation of advanced military cyborgs, such as the Security Officer (the player character).
"Machines They Did Not Understand": The technology used in the creation of the Marathon ship and its systems (including the AI and the cyborg player) is described as "machines your creators did not understand," hinting at the integration of Jjaro components.

Using this theory this means that Strauss knows the most about the jjaro

[subtle oracle]

Okay but theory isnt lore

[gray sluice]

Then nothing this guy is saying is true

[subtle oracle]

We can theorize all day but if they didnt state it, im not taking it as gospel

[hollow atlas]

im just saying that the technological advances that happen over the years since the end of Pathways Into Darkness is allegedly thanks to that Jjaro tech

[gray sluice]

Show evidence then

[subtle oracle]

yeah hes been mixing stuff up for awhile now. he didnt know m2 wasnt canon

[proven copper]

I personally see connections between Arachne, the Gerrit (sp?) White terminal imagery, and runner rampancy. Like Arachne's goal is to induce runner rampancy through repeated death/killing/both.

[subtle oracle]

I thought the thing under the pyramid was a W'rkencancter

and the jjaro came and shared tech with us and got rid of it

[gray sluice]

We don't even know if 1 is canon in this timeline

[hollow atlas]

thats the only thing we can be sure of i feel like no?

[hollow atlas]

because its a Bungie trope? forerunner tech on halo, the traveler on destiny... its just context clues

[hollow atlas]

and ur totally right yeah

[gray sluice]

Theory not a given

The jjaro station in marathon infinity looked nothing like a human ship

[hollow atlas]

everything about this convo is a theory duh, don't take me speaking matter of factly like i wrote the game or something lmao

[gray sluice]

Thus

[subtle oracle]

Ive lowkey been saying that but yknow. Like we can assume it was the Pfhor who attacked due to the Compilers being on the marathon but what ab the UESC bots flooding the place. have they not encounter Pfhor

Theres just enough left out to not know and god Bungie is so good

[gray sluice]

Tbh it might just be S'phit scouts or reminants from the attack. Maybe studying the anomaly for jjaro? But we know the uesc bots on marathon get turned into S'phit controlled drones when they enter cryo

S'phit is protecting cryo with them

I honestly reckon Tycho is in the blue box trying to study the anomaly

[subtle oracle]

I just always felt it would be weird for Bungie not to basically go "so the Pfhor are here"

and instead its "oooo whats in room 7 of cryo"

It just doesnt feel like their mojo to hold back THAT much

https://www.marathonwiki.com/images/3/39/MarathonARGDoc.pdf?65013
great ref material btw

[gray sluice]

Well it leaves them time to perfect pfhor and raises this mysterious atmosphere tbh pfhor wouldn't be on tau ceti unless studying the jjaro anomaly and they'd just leave the S'phit there

It all makes sense in my head

This Tycho theory is pretty decent ngl

[subtle oracle]

but the Pfhor are enslavers. Theyre not so passive as to just chill and leave the colony alone unless osmething is preventing them or theyve been defeated like in og m1

[gray sluice]

They aren't leaving it alone though and if the S'phit are enslaved still then they can trust them

[subtle oracle]

we know tycho is on the marathon bc he interacts with the colony ais

[gray sluice]

S'phit don't exactly need someone to whip them 🤣

[subtle oracle]

so him in the box may be right

[gray sluice]

Idk how he's gonna be presented though

Gonna be fuckin hilarious if it's just a terminal

And we know durandal HATES Tycho so that may indicate when he's gonna show up

[subtle oracle]

Idk I feel like all 3 AIs (i cant imagine Leela is just donezo already) will be introduced in bgi fashions

Imo nothing from the og games will be introduced in a lackluster way

[hollow atlas]

leela voiced by jennifer english...

[subtle oracle]

which is my reasoning why durandal isnt a fucking cat

[hollow atlas]

one can dream

[gray sluice]

I mean it could be mass effectlike and Cerberus is controlled by Tycho

Like Cerberus and the reapers

[subtle oracle]

Theres a possibility the anomaly is bigger than the jjaro

[gray sluice]

The jjaro is a species?

[subtle oracle]

or at least the pfhor

I mean a bigger issue

[hollow atlas]

yeah

[subtle oracle]

reminder we dont know what The Anomaly really is

[hollow atlas]

no?

[gray sluice]

Only threat bigger than a jjaro is a W'rknacacnter

[subtle oracle]

It could be a an it, a who, a what

I would say a living planet that defends itself is a p big deal

[gray sluice]

Maybe it's got an ai underneath like thoth

[hollow atlas]

well we dont know if the Jjaro are a species or just one guy actually

[subtle oracle]

I think its more cosmic in form

[gray sluice]

Species 100%

[subtle oracle]

well theyre a physical being at the very least

[hollow atlas]

i was thinking moreso about how the Spht refer to Yrro as like the one entity, but that is also fully assuming they are one in the same and we dont fully know that no?

[gray sluice]

In cryo the news articles says and come face-to-face with an entity even the UESC fears.

Durandal or Tycho take your pick

[hollow atlas]

i mean all the neon signs point to Durandal yet