📚marathon-lore-discussion

[sinful thicket]

everyone gets magnet boots xddd

[visual lynx]

pretty confident that teleportation is actually the same tech as FTL, just can't do big things or long distances yet

[sinful thicket]

can't blame bungie, they didn't know in the 90s that artificial gravity via antimatter wasn't possible

because it isn't, apparently.

and i'm certain they didn't stuff a massive ball of neutronium at the "bottom" of the vessel

[visual lynx]

it means you are one of the chosen few. 7 is darker.

[visual lynx]

FTL also requires negative mass (which it was thought that antimatter might have) so in a world with FTL antigrav is no less realistic

[sinful thicket]

and by stuffing the ship through deimos that means what little gravity there is would be radial from the center. rooms would be built like underground caves and not straight like ship decks

[sinful thicket]

they supposedly at least figured out a theory that doesn't involve negative mass and exotic matter https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a69663990/scientists-say-physical-warp-drive-now-possible/

so that's a start

also as much as I miss the old marathon look sometimes, the 3d-printed everything and prefabs makes perfect sense for a space colonisation effort owned nearly entirely by megacorps and made to be easily repairable, replicable and expandable by the colonists in question

and by the 2700s i imagine most if not all human manufacturing efforts is nearly entirely printed and automated

[visual lynx]

following that to the original paper, they only show that subluminal warp drives are possible. so, still a cool new method of propulsion, but not FTL.

[sinful thicket]

you feed the factory materials, and it prints what you want. the profit is in choosing materials and schematics

[sinful thicket]

hey, getting the travel time down to within-human-lifetime is much better than nothing!

even if it just means trips in our local system are real quick

[tranquil basin]

Assuming they’re doing a warp drive and didn’t come up with some other sci fi explanation

[visual lynx]

all known FTL solutions require negative mass, including wormholes, which seems like what Marathon FTL is using, as things travelling FTL "fold" from one place to another, and teleportation is described likewise (which is why I think it's just a crappier version of the same tech -- and so are FTL comms, just folding single particles large distances, instead of larger objects shorter distances)

[tranquil basin]

I know they do, but that isn’t preventing them from using a fictional thing

[visual lynx]

tangentially, I've actually been working on a real physics model lately that unexpectedly explicates why negative energy would be necessary for any backward time-travel (and therefore FTL) solution, and also is impossible: because on this model what "negative energy" would have to mean is reversal of time, which on this model is not just physically impossible but logically incoherent.

[tranquil basin]

Like a tachyonic antitelephone

Breaks causality

[oak grail]

Like a burger

[tranquil basin]

Unless there’s no actual arrow of time and everything’s predetermined

Though technically ftl particles would have imaginary mass

[terse wren]

I am laplace’s demon and I endorse this statement

[tranquil basin]

Based

[visual lynx]

well, stable time loops would be a solution that would not break causality if backward causation were possible, they would just be infinitesimally improbable.

my model renders backward causation and negative energy even more logically impossible than that, because its core principle from which everything else derives is that time is a partial-ordering of the state space by informational embedding, so "moving backward in time" is incoherent because nothing is "moving in time" at all, time is just a relationship between states. a stable time loop would thus have to involve infinite re-embedding of states within themselves. and out of that model it falls (skipping tons of detail here) that energy density in a given region is the amount of change occurring in that region, so negative energy would be "negative change" occurring, but change is not signed, so at most change can occur counter to prevailing patterns (which is what antimatter works out as), but that's still a positive amount of change, and so positive energy.

[sinful thicket]

infinity is strange enough by introducing time travel

all this talk makes me depressed for humanity. we're stuck in this star system aren't we

[visual lynx]

not if I can help it

[rotund stump]

are you gonna go into bioscience as well after your space engineering degree

just to send mjolnirs on the ship 💀

[tranquil basin]

Do you mean antimatter as in the positively massed particles with opposite charged or antimatter as a negative/imaginary mass concept

[sinful thicket]

what's to stop us from building larger space stations in moon, earth and martian orbit, and underground colonies on the moon and mars anyway?

supposedly venus isn't even that bad to live on but only at the right altititude

[visual lynx]

the former

[tranquil basin]

Pressure is the issue on Venus

[visual lynx]

it's the fact that change is unsigned that prevents the former from equating to the latter

[rotund stump]

venus is a massive pressure cooker yeah (+ a whole lotta pressure cooker seasoning on the floor)

mars is just barren on every aspect including ozone and gravity 💀

[sinful thicket]

you couldn't get much other than underground spaces to build hydroponics farms

[rotund stump]

and isn't europa a whole lotta cold and some potential cthulu ass eldritch horror underneath lol

[tranquil basin]

I’m not sure partial ordering by informational embedding as a definition for time fits with gen relativity

[visual lynx]

something that at least looks a lot like general relativity up to extremal limits actually falls naturally out of it

[tranquil basin]

Also anti matter wouldn’t indicate whether change is unsigned or not bc antimatter is still positive mass just different charges, I don’t think it’s relevant there

The notion of actual negative energy would be tachyons

[rotund stump]

literally how do y'all know this

I'm a historian not a space engineer 😭

[tranquil basin]

Physics

[visual lynx]

what's what got me started on this whole physics project. I wasn't even trying to do physics. I was doing philosophy. thinking about useful ways of conceptualizing time. and then I noticed that a lot of known physics seems to be just automatically entailed by that simple principle.

I can link you to my full writeup about it on my other server if you like.

[rotund stump]

nerds...

[tranquil basin]

Id like that thanks. And i agree the philosophy can track but the mathematics has several things that deviate from standard logic

[visual lynx]

my point is that change being unsigned means that time-reversal (which is equivalent to CP reversal under CPT symmetry) is just a different pattern of change, not some kind of "un-change" that would equate to negative energy, and therefore antimatter does not have negative energy.

[woeful yew]

has anyone else heard a meowing on dire marsh, algae ponds? my whole crew spent 10 mins following it down towards the anomaly but couldnt find anything?

[rotund stump]

bingus spotted

[grand inlet]

was prolly bingus

[woeful yew]

BUT WHERE?!?!

[grand inlet]

gotta find him

[rotund stump]

better start looking

[woeful yew]

i genuinely searched every single container and area but no bingus

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but I don’t think anti matter having negative energy is a question though, it’s still matter just with different quark compositions/charges, nor is antimatter theorized to have any kind of time reversal

[woeful yew]

i did find an inactive bingus on perimeter

[rotund stump]

oh where??

[sinful thicket]

just sittin in a tube

[rotund stump]

I ransacked the place and didn't find it once 😭 😭

[sinful thicket]

they're a biopet. you can't bring real animals on the marathon so a bioprinted cat makes perfect sense

[tranquil basin]

The question of actual time reversal only comes up when something does have imaginary mass. While antimatter definitely doesn’t, it doesn’t mean there couldn’t be some exotic matter that does

[visual lynx]

Feynman famously reckons antiparticles as time-reverse particles, and it was long thought until experiments disproved it that antimatter might have negative mass

anyway here is my thing, it's my bedtime, I can't engage in this at length right now #1016953170074800128 message

[rotund stump]

feel like there's always some god species or entity that allows science fantasy to happen in every bungie title lol

forerunners and paracausality now the jjaro

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but the notion of time reversal particles being electrons vs positrons etc. isn’t anything considered in modern physics. It’s known that positrons work just like electrons and decay the same way but they’re just opposite charge

[tranquil basin]

I like it

[terse wren]

But maybe it’s ur wakey time if time has no arrow

[woeful yew]

i think it was in the room with the long table in north relay
random deluxe drop so just gotta hope you get lucky

my snip and sketch isnt working otherwise i'd send a screenshot

[rotund stump]

can't explain with science? write a god for it

✌️

[visual lynx]

that's not at all contrary to anything I'm talking about

[rotund stump]

oh it's deluxe

pain

[woeful yew]

yarrpp

[tranquil basin]

Well my question was just why are we discussing antimatter as the basis for/against time reversal change if it’s known that’s not the case

[terse wren]

Wat is God but all the experiments u quietly swept under the rug when submitting 2 Nature

[tranquil basin]

The relevant type of matter would be theoretical tachyons that would have an imaginary mass

[terse wren]

Is there anyone on this chat who isn’t a scientist lmfao very strange chat

[rotund stump]

but like that's eventually explainable no?

jjaro's an actual species that managed to achieve ftl lol

light and dark's a universal force

forerunners are...forerunners idk halo 💀

or you mean stuff like warframe's infested and whatnot?

[tranquil basin]

Neural physics

[visual lynx]

antimatter came up as an aside about why negative energy would work out to not be possible under my model; the closest possible thing would just work out to be antimatter

please stop pinging me tonight, I've been trying to get to bed for two hours now and people keep messaging me and I'm getting very upset

[tranquil basin]

Ok

[waxen orchid]

been reading the codex log for Nucal, what's up with the drinkable burgers ? Looks like the shipments played a part in the colony downfall

[tranquil basin]

They are burgers u drink

[waxen orchid]

yeah but there's like a survivor log that mentions weird stuff about them

like scratch marks inside packages

[broken zinc]

That's crazy

[tranquil basin]

Oh fun I haven’t found that yet

[broken zinc]

I can't wait to find that

I just found the audio log

[waxen orchid]

yeah the log is cool ! It's a post colony survivor's log

[rotund stump]

oh what the hell scratch marks in the packages???

[waxen orchid]

dude is starving

[rotund stump]

unprocessed mealworm burgers 💔

[waxen orchid]

Makes me think we might need a spoiler channel, some people might have liked to find out themselves

[rotund stump]

I only got to the bonsai audio logs this is new info 💀

I don't mind spoilers but maybe yeah

or gentleman's rule of spoiler consent

[waxen orchid]

Now that I think of it again it doesn't make sense, everybody's progression is so different, how to separate spoilers from non spoilers ? Might be impossible

[tranquil basin]

You can always ||do this||

[waxen orchid]

will do next time

[broken zinc]

Honestly i won't know things until i find them. But also some stuff is rng... Like durandal talking to runners

So you may never get it

[waxen orchid]

just bring drinkable burgers in the exfil and it unlocks some nucal commercials, or a new employee talking to a senior employee, which is really cool ! It tells us that they didn't care about|| food quality control, and barely passed the sanity checks||

[broken zinc]

The first one calling them "sacrifices" and not being ashamed of it is just wild

I knew nucaloric wasn't as benevolent as they led on

[woeful ore]

im so hyped to see the compilers in cryo archive

[sly geyser]

do we know is cryo archive will be avaiable on launch yet?

[woeful ore]

No I don’t think so

[turbid blade]

Lfg to play with dm me

[broken zinc]

Yes it will be available at launch

Originally when it was to release in sept, cryo archive was not going to be ready to ship. The extra 6 months of dev time = we now have cryo archive at launch

[woeful ore]

they posted a tweet jan 13th that says it’s locked at launch

but like idk if that means locked locked like not in the game or if it’s like locked behind level or map

[broken zinc]

It's locked but available. It's in game but perhaps certain parameters have to be met to access it.

You can't just start the game and just try cryo archive immediately, it's a high level area so perhaps a certain faction level or progression or buy in s necessary to get up onto the marathon ship.

[woeful ore]

W

[broken zinc]

Honestly it really is a huge W, every day i am glad they gave this game more time to cook

[woeful ore]

The more I play the more I enjoy the game

[limber ravine]

I've compiled all the story/cutscenes/priority contract cutscenes together in a video for people interested in the lore if i'm able to post here and anyones interested?

[broken zinc]

I would definitely be interested, and i know people will be as well

[limber ravine]

Im unsure if im able to post in this chat but its in the zone footage request channel under everything else if you wanna take a look

[broken zinc]

You can post links they just will not embed

[limber ravine]

ah ok

1 sec then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3OLxeVrfw&t=158s

[broken zinc]

Sick thenk u

[limber ravine]

All Server Slam Cutscenes /Priority contracts cutscenes

[broken zinc]

I'll check it later

[limber ravine]

Theres like 1 clip at the start where i go cyac my beloved but other than that there is 0 audio interfering LMFAO

[broken zinc]

Ggs on getting all priority contracts done before server slam ended

I might make it through nucal but not traxus

[limber ravine]

I got them all done last night before i got off, happy to help in runs if im available

Thinking of making tutorials for the beginner contracts assuming that theyre gonna be the same for the full release

[fresh falcon]

the lore is so dope in this game
Could immediately tell General D Reed was arthur morgan lmao
So much of the hints get me interested. The "gift basket", Arachne, etc

[simple garden]

Does anyone know what to do with an encrypted key I found?

[fresh falcon]

Mida is just inherently off putting to me tho
The "rebel rah system bad just smash stuff and burn it down with a vague vision of something better afterwards" is so cringe to me

[simple garden]

How does the new marathon connect to infinity, durandal and the original?

[crisp crest]

Do we even know if the Pfhor still attacked the Marathon and colony in 2026 Marathon because I'm not seeing anything related to that in the codex stuff so far

[plucky sierra]

Likely the 7th timeline of infinity

[simple garden]

I wish I didn't know what that mean't lol

[broken zinc]

Technically nobody on earth knows about the pfhor so maybe that's why hey haven't shown up yet in codex or lore

[simple garden]

I hope we get to fight the Pfor in full release

[plucky sierra]

You do or you don’t know what that means?

[broken zinc]

If we don't fight pfhor, what i would absolutely adore is going into cryo storage and seeing their dead, decayed bodies on the ground in places

But we never see one alive

[simple garden]

I am farmilar with the shenanigans in infinity

God damn bungie and number 7

[broken zinc]

But also we have no idea bc they're dead which means they were there

[simple garden]

Every time

Surprised they didn't make the magnum op in 3 and give it 7 shots

[mint solar]

Sorry.

[plucky sierra]

Keep in mind the UESC have been here and could have cleaned up and tried to hide the attack

[next bolt]

id be very surprised if they made a lore discussion tab if they didnt at least have plans to get into aliens, durandals already talking to players about the waves in random runs

[broken zinc]

Oh tru tru

[swift fox]

I think the Lore of Arc and Marathon are really cool, it was the stories and environments of the games that drew me in and hooked me

[cinder jolt]

how do i get xp quickly?

[next bolt]

contracts

[visual harbor]

i wanna see a s'pht

[copper gazelle]

I heard the fastest way is to kill every ad you see, every player, and complete contracts

[simple garden]

Kills also

And extracting

[swift fox]

How are the runners transported on world?

[simple garden]

Space magic (the cloud)

Teleporters

Like in the original marathon.

[crisp crest]

Probably the reverse of how they're extracted

[next bolt]

molecular dissassembly/reassembly

[simple garden]

TELEPORTATION

[swift fox]

How does the loot survive the process (theoretically)

[frail finch]

bro, I love every faction that is in this game

[simple garden]

https://tenor.com/view/beam-me-up-scotty-gif-23354526

[frail finch]

they are aesthetically so cool

[simple garden]

Whole game has a mood

[frail finch]

yeah

[simple garden]

But I'm not a fan of that one runner with the arm gun's design.

Feels like a weird stand out imo

[frail finch]

the traxus one?

[simple garden]

Vandal

[frail finch]

she's my favorite right now lol

but it's okay

[limber ravine]

Just out of curiosity, would anyone here think people would benefit from contract tutorials/locations?

[frail finch]

i'm doing the quest just to see the cutscenes, this is an amazing motivation

[pearl pond]

Are our runners humans, or, originally humans who just got our brains uploaded to the cloud?

[next bolt]

didnt they have that this playtest, you go thru a little tutorial on how a run work

[limber ravine]

Our runners were humans at one point, but uploaded there brain to a data centre under sekiguchi genetics that create the shells for our runners to go onto tau ceti without suffering the physical complications of the environment or death

[pearl pond]

And now we’re in a gorrilion dollars of medical debt and need to loot stuff to pay it

[inland crypt]

So what happened to the human bodies?

[broken zinc]

we are (allegedly) human consciousnesses that are owned by cyberacme

[tranquil basin]

Probably tossed em

[broken zinc]

nucal food probably

[tranquil basin]

That’s what makes our burgers so delicious

[limber ravine]

To upload our brains we had to die physically and the brain matter gets uploaded the minute after death or something like that

[simple garden]

Imo vandal in particular drifts just a tad too far from the neo military aesthetic of the others.

If I had the option I'd like to have the top of all of their faces covered.

But that's like...

A me thing yk?

Taste.

[tranquil basin]

Yeah this is thanks to joe Ziegler

[next bolt]

she seems more apart of the low life crowd that is just in it for the money

[simple garden]

Who?

[limber ravine]

When introducing friends who havve no clue on the lore/dont care about the lore, there biggest complaint was not knowing where to go or what to do even after the tutorial. Im wanting make content for the game for fun to help other new players or people struggling with contracts and such

[tranquil basin]

Game director who came in and made the game more hero shooter esque

[simple garden]

I'm not really a fan of making them characters tbh...

[tranquil basin]

When vandal was still an individual character she was a Martian freedom fighter

[limber ravine]

That and them just shitting on the game for the sake of shitting on the game

[simple garden]

Just general idea of classes.

Not everyone is gonna be good at doing TF2

I'd rather be just generic mook.

Plus offers more customisation potential.

[tranquil basin]

Faceless marine supremacy

[simple garden]

EXACTlY

[tranquil basin]

The game originally had customization

Lots of super cool concept art

[simple garden]

And have male/female body options for each shell.

[next bolt]

from the trailer tho its def the same person in the shells, glitch customized hers several times but they kept the core features and voice so she wouldn't go insane

[steady creek]

marathon?

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but they have retconned that she’s an actual individual glitch

[steady creek]

marathon

[next bolt]

when was that? i havent seen any official stuff that makes it seem otherwise

[brazen quartz]

It might be more appropriate to say that the "personality matrix" that the appearance and vocals of Vandal is based off of, was once a real person. But it's unclear whether she's still alive or active.

That's how I see it, anyway

[broken zinc]

thats the pretty correct way to see it

excellent icon by the way reified

[steady creek]

guys im marathonning rn

[swift fox]

Which shell gives off the most “Merc” vibe to you guys

[broken zinc]

im running til i marathon

[simple garden]

The thing that bothers me most is the weird spike things and her jacket arms being used as tails

Disappointing we don't see any Mjlonir security cyborgs

[bleak linden]

i honestly think we'll see them in later sections of the Marathon

[swift fox]

Wasn’t there only like 10 tho

[simple garden]

I wanna kill some bobs

[simple garden]

UESC could have made more.

Be a functional equal to the player.

[broken zinc]

not yet

[swift fox]

Not lore question but beta go through most of tomorrow as well right? Trying to hit LVL 30, not sure the best way to go about it tho (sorry for misusing channel, all the other ones are so busy)

[simple garden]

Personal fav designs present so far are destroyer and assassin.

But kinda wish I could cover up his head with a helmet instead of the hood.

And be subject to his weird nubbly forehead.

[broken zinc]

it goes until 10am PST /1pm EST monday

[simple garden]

I presume those nubly bits are for his camo?

[swift fox]

Aw crap, so today is basically last day then

[broken zinc]

yeah for sure

[swift fox]

I don’t want the beta to end lol, those few days of waiting for the game are gonna be slow

[limber ravine]

My plan is to just consume as much content as I can and go through clips I got of the game when the test is over

[broken zinc]

ah it'll be okay. luckily i have things to do that will pass the time

[swift fox]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[simple garden]

Kinda disappointed that the marathon we got wasn't yk...

Akin to Doom 2016 reviving the franchise and continuing with the sec officer.

But more brutal and violent and expanding further on the originals mechanics with a mix of tactical stuff and high speed action.

Doom 2016 like.

but adjacent. Like... Like Wolfen new order

Hell even has dual weilding lol

Hell even use the new art design and stuff

Missed opportunity imo

[broken zinc]

eh, im kinda over thinking of it like that, its a tired line of thought. this game is really good and the more i play the more i dont want it to be a pve single player game

[limber ravine]

I feel like both ways they couldve gone wouldve been an amazing game lore wise, the extraction shooter makes some sense with the story and with it being Bungie making the game and being known for live service games

[broken zinc]

its a very unique experience that i cant get in any other game and that is good for me

[simple garden]

I can't deny that.

[limber ravine]

a remaster of the old games would be amazing though but i doubt that will happen

[broken zinc]

i think bungie so far is pulling off the story in a way that keeps it engaging... and we know there will be cutscenes. we just dont know why yet

[simple garden]

Or remake

[limber ravine]

a lot of the game is 'why' and im hoping that with the full release we will discover why. but once thats done realistically, what else would there be to explore?

thats my main worry

[simple garden]

I think we're thinking abt this wrong.

We could have had both.

Hell have the current marathon lead into a main sequel or something idk

[rotund stump]

same old april 2025 complaint yawn

[limber ravine]

I dont think its a complaint as much as a what couldve been honestly

[broken zinc]

idk if you looked at the codex but like, that is a very huge amount of stuff to unlock

and apparently cryo archive will be locked on release... which means we have to find a way to get up there

theres going to be a lot to do

[limber ravine]

Yeah you are right actually, kinda forgot about the codex when i typed that

[broken zinc]

the beta is just a slice of it. the first few hours of the game itself

[rotund stump]

it just feels like a shortsighted suggestion when bungie's known to absolutely cramp their game with lore lol

[next bolt]

i think this type of game will familiarize a bigger audience w the base lore than any story reboot wouldve, its heady, almost too heady for modern gamers

[limber ravine]

but what i mean is just the after. Are they gonna make new lore after the fact or are they gonna explore different lanes within the same lore again

including the codex

[tranquil basin]

The vidoc and everything showed they’re no longer “heroes” but they’re now general shell models sekiguchi produces. The line of models is their class name (i.e. Thief) and then series (i.e. icon) and their personality matrices based off of people who fit each specialty

[tranquil basin]

I’m not sure it’s one individual person. When they talked about destroyer they specifically said his voice was modeled after many people, I assume the same goes for the others

[limber ravine]

I mean personally im in love with the idea of the extraction shooter vibe, ignoring a story point of view ive been wanting an extractionshooter that isnt tarkov level heavy and combat that isnt arcraiders level if that makes sense

but with the story it just makes it so much more worth running in the game and gives a so called mission to each player, everyone can explore what they want to know about

Ive completed the cheeseburger codex now so i get to learn about that LMFAO

[rotund stump]

we already got that via contracts and codex yeah

[merry olive]

GUYS

I know what happened to Tau Ceti IV.

😮😮😮😮

[copper elm]

hi guys

[brazen quartz]

I'm glad that Bungie chose to innovate, try something new, something they're excited about it, and also keep it focused. Scope creep was a huge problem in Destiny.

I don't think Marathon was ever meant to be "the next big thing" from Bungie, but more of a B-tier project compared to Destiny or Halo. IIRC they had almost a dozen projects in incubation before Sony told them to focus on this one

[copper elm]

i don't understand but what are you all talking about

[tranquil basin]

Marathon

[flat elk]

Marton

[copper elm]

oh thank you you guys are the only one that tried to interact with me

[tranquil basin]

👍🏿

[brazen quartz]

Well, it's certainly a busy server. Chat goes by real fast, things get missed.

We're just discussing the lore and setting of the game here. It can be a little bit complicated!

[broken zinc]

compared to the rest of the server, this channel is pretty chill.

[copper elm]

what is the lore i don't know that because i joined just yesterday

[rotund stump]

where do you wanna start?

[tranquil basin]

Hidden Xperia has videos on the og marathon games from the 90s I recommend. For the groundwork you really only need to know background and marathon 1 lore but the others will definitely come into play.

JakeTheAlright is the guy for NuMarathon lore on yt

TLDR humanity sends a big ship called the marathon into space to establish a colony on Tau Ceti IV. They lose contact with it (spoilers, everyone died for a few reasons). In this game you try to profit from the colony remains and discover what happened

And bingus

[brazen quartz]

If you hadn't seen the cinematic trailer yet, it gives a good feel for the world and setting IMO
https://youtu.be/fvbEnWLRo1s

[worldly cave]

has part 2 of the ARG been dropped? or did the community find that it was a fake?

[tranquil basin]

I mean stuff has been going for several weeks, and there’s some more stuff rn people are working on

Oh I asked this in the art channel but ig I should ask it here:

Has anyone tried shooting a bingus? Not that I condone it but I am curious if it’s possible

[waxen orchid]

Let's be honest: Marathon is really not as popular as your examples :p A soft reboot wouldn't make sense financially.

[sage lark]

People would call it a doom reskin

What they have done here is something cool with the storytelling and hardcoreish extraction gameplay

[sudden pollen]

Yes

[frail finch]

i disagree, one possibilitie doesn't exclude the other, bungie already tried to adapt Destiny to other medias, why not do it with Marathon too? I'm personally enjoying a lot the new one, i think they are in the right direction

[sudden pollen]

It's super hardcore

My ass is getting WHOOPED by some of these UESC the devs must have been gleefully twirling their mustaches as they tuned and tuned the AI 👽

The fuckers straight up perform squad maneuvers and flank me it's so sick

One robot even punched me straight out a window

[fiery valley]

Ran into a Gold shielded UESC spawn the other day. It ended up whiping us

[sudden pollen]

Dude when I first began on like my 3rd contract (with random team) a Ghost surprised us and absolutely demolished

[rotund stump]

someone pull up the 11 AIs again?

we one the name of one more

bastion

[sudden pollen]

Genuinely I love how brutal the enemies are to fight, gives it real stakes compared to a ton of other games

Always have to be on my toes ready for any insanity

🔥

[rotund stump]

ok so

Leela
Durandal
Tycho
Ar-[_]
Bastion
Darius
Gabriel
Icarus
Joy[euse]
L1-[_]
Na-[_]

8 out of 11

[violet mica]

am i crazy or, did i think that i would be siding with 1 or 2 factions for their ideologies? but actually, i level them all and dont have to pick at all because their "identity" is actually just my skill tree?

[topaz jolt]

anyone wanna play? https://discord.com/channels/616545475293741056/1477721817048285184

[fiery valley]

Correct

[runic stratus]

we're kinda like a mercenary picking contracts, shrug

[fiery valley]

I'm speed running to the Self revive unlock on launch.

Like Arc raiders the lore doesn't really make sense. Arc you "Knock out" players and then all show up in the same city after. And in Marathon you are working for hostile factions but still have to be beamed from a mothership.

Unless you're just being "beamed" in from some random place?

[violet mica]

thats exactly what im saying, the way bungus played up your personality attached to a faction made me think that it would be like the arc raiders streamer faction war, not, damn near faceless factions that are just stepping stones

[fiery valley]

Well the Arc wars are just "Skin" wars. We coudl do the same in Marathon... But everyone shoots first in this game. I have yet to have a neutral engagement in prox chat

You get faction skins when you extract with their free kits

[whole hazel]

has durandal been mentioned at all in the game yet

[violet mica]

yeah, i think im just seeing if anyone else has this same frustration as me, the game doesn't facilitate that kind of interaction at all, and im really sad it doesn't, and i was just really hoping that the factions would mean more to us the players than simply a skill tree and trader.

[broken zinc]

Not mentioned by name but he has an rng chance of talking to the player

[whole hazel]

how?

[broken zinc]

He intercepts comms when you infiltrate

[surreal totem]

Can someone give me like a quick rundown as to what is going on lore wise?

[whole hazel]

what if i just got something that may be nothing, but it feels like something

[broken zinc]

https://fxtwitter.com/artificial0wl/status/2027367296008642634

[fiery valley]

Yeah Arcs unique reception, especially that first 2 weeks spoiled everyone.

[violet mica]

spoiled everyone... god thats sad to hear

[whole hazel]

so i stumbled upon a reddit post reguarding an encounter with what looked like a uesc ghost disappearing into thin air

[broken zinc]

Ghosts do camo. And they will play back runner shell voicelines to bait you into coming near

Ghosts esp are scary af

[whole hazel]

the video itself, they vanish into thin air, and the player sits for abit checking

[violet mica]

this comment damn near stripped the idea of this game having more soul. taking off the rose coloured glasses hurts.

[pseudo bear]

Marathon goes out of contact, the message the AIs and PC send in the OG games gets to Earth and the UESC and several powerful corps send out an expedition to see what happened to the colony. So hundreds of years later this expedition hits TC4. The corps have somehow snuck runners, which are human minds digitized and stored, into the system along with their artificial shells, where these minds are downloaded for ops. The runners do jobs for whoever and act as dirty workers for the corps. That's basically it?

[whole hazel]

and i decided to ask around in general, asked a dev and they said this.

no images here but i posted it in the art chat

[surreal totem]

are the older marathon games cannon or is it a different like world to this one?

[tranquil basin]

Hidden Xperia and Jake the alright vids for lore on yt

[simple garden]

Actually it's been on my mind since I discovered the franchise a few short years before the announcment of the new game.

[pseudo bear]

Totally canon, except for maybe certain timelines in Infinity? But that game is confusing AF anyway so

[whole hazel]

yes and no, they did a multiple timeline/universe thing in the 3rd game i think?

[surreal totem]

Interesting

[pseudo bear]

Jake the Alright has a great playlist of lore info videos from him and other folks, def second that suggestion

[simple garden]

This is still a soft reboot tho.

My idea would be to bascially go. Fuck it and go big with the story and single player.

[simple garden]

I also like the new one.

But I'd like to have that. And a single player outing as well.

[simple garden]

Feels like they're kinda dumb sometimes.

[simple garden]

G2

[fiery valley]

Knife is your friend against the clankers

[waxen orchid]

It is indeed, but I miscommunicated. I meant more like a solo campaign soft reboot.
Better to have a multiplayer game for financial success these days

If the game is a success I'd love it if they expand the universe with solo campaigns

[simple garden]

People are itching for single player games.

They will never not be in demand.

Plus the opportunity for iterative sequels.

[waxen orchid]

wear the hat of an executive :p Multiplayer games make more money

[simple garden]

Circumstantially.

Not everyone can be cod or fornite.

Hell cod isn't even cod anymore

It's some. Diseased thing.

Though.

Marathon did have it's own multiplayer. But that was just deathmatching I think.

There was also that map editor tool... wasn't it also called forge?

Like I said before.

We can have both.

Imo we should have both.

Everyone is satisfied.

And it's more potential profit.

[chrome estuary]

people dont love singleplayer shooters nowadays

[jolly sphinx]

Do you think the P'hfor will make a return?

[sudden pollen]

I think. That you. Should use. More Periods. Not Enough. Or something.

[sage lark]

yes the spht will already be in cryo so I assume they will sooner or later

[sudden pollen]

This game isn't remotely similar to either of those tbh

[simple garden]

You miss the point.

[sudden pollen]

Do I?

[fiery valley]

Gaming, just lilke other "Golden gooses" in life is suffering from greed. The ones in power can never have enough after they've tasted it, and always end up killing the very thing that got them there. Funny enough, Marathon feels like an attempt to go full send on an idea for once. Art,lore,music. And people are so programmed to consume the slop they hate it because it requires a minimal level of learning to enjoy. The biggest threat to Marathon is the exe saying it's not laying big enough eggs.

[chrome estuary]

wym?

[whole hazel]

so how does this marathon tie into the original?

[sage lark]

wym what do i mean

[sudden pollen]

Agreed

[simple garden]

Prolly timeline 7 of infinity

[sage lark]

oh shit I replied to the wrong message

lmao

[proud crypt]

nuMarathon takes place almost a century after the pfhor’s first attacks on the marathon, they may be long gone by now or maybe some splinter faction may show up

[chrome estuary]

lol

[sudden pollen]

People aren't used to games requiring effort, skill, time, and reading comprehension to play @fiery valley

[whole hazel]

thats specific, any reason?

[sage lark]

yes the spht will already be in cryo so I assume they will sooner or later

[simple garden]

I was told by someone else.

[whole hazel]

oh

guess im googling

[fiery valley]

Sad thing is that their subconscious is aware of their weakness and they lash out nonetheless.

[simple garden]

Otherwise you got the corperations like traxus

And possibly Durandal terminals.

There are marathon 1 lore terminals across the maps.

[sudden pollen]

Yes, prime example of this is any popular game's Steam page 😭 actual cesspool

[chrome estuary]

im ngl i think Marathon (as of modern marathon) would struggle to fit into many other genres because of how desolate the "action environment" is, it's just tau ceti iv

[simple garden]

Also I disagree.

[chrome estuary]

you can disagree but statistically people are more social than ever and want more social interaction than ever before

[simple garden]

There are also people who want a linear experience

[chrome estuary]

sure but its unfortunately a shrinking minority

[simple garden]

For my money I'd rather the security if a single player that I can always got back to.

Than a multiplayer that's gonna be shut down in 15 years.

Yeah I'm among the skg crowd.

[chrome estuary]

destiny sort of almost got it right for a post-lockdown audience but it was the execution and upkeep that failed and not the fundamental concept of how the game handles the narrative from a gameplay pov

[simple garden]

I mean I really didn't want the first game's first story to come back and replace the one I fucking paid for.

[rotund stump]

hi I think it was me

[rotund stump]

7th timeline, m.inf's a doozy

[simple garden]

Prolly. Thanks.

[simple garden]

Shits nutty

[whole hazel]

so do you know? what is it?

[simple garden]

(The red war)

[simple garden]

Nobody knows for sure. Yet.

We need to wait for full release.

[rotund stump]

tldr at the end of m2 the pfhor blew pu the s'pht homeworld's sun and unleashed some eldritch reality-warping entity that the jjaro contained forever ago and the universe is now doomed

m.inf is us going through timelines (dreamscapes) in search of one where we survive

kinda like marvel's what-ifs but with a single protag

[simple garden]

Also the sec officer is imortal now or smt.

[rotund stump]

basically yeah

[whole hazel]

ok

[simple garden]

He's on the doom slayer shit

18 years before doom 2016 came about

[chrome estuary]

live service games are everywhere because they let people find "a home" in a place that continuously grows but maintaining that is an ever looming behemoth as seen with d2 - there comes a point where different stories need to be told and the destiny narrative team struggled with that for too long and interest teetered out;
something like Marathon without a timeline skip - which without reason would suck - couldnt really benefit from a narrative game, like Destiny, because its whole allure is based on the mystery of something happening in real time

[rotund stump]

and in the 7th timeline we find a jjaro AI that durandal merges called thoth who's obsessed with equilibrim and the combined AI devises a plan to blow up a defunct jjaro facility that unleashes a blackhole that eats up the wrkncacnter, universe saved

[worldly cave]

Any new ARG stuff?

[rotund stump]

and as devs stated every game did happen so this is the 7th timeline

[chrome estuary]

the way marathon handles timelines is so wacky, at what point do they become non-canonical

[simple garden]

Okay but they very often fail at meeting the basic standards.

New marathon at least works pretty great.

[whole hazel]

so its the good ending timeline?

[rotund stump]

mhm

[whole hazel]

and we're now experiancing the aftermath of that

[rotund stump]

one where sol and humankind hasn't met the pfhor yet

[simple garden]

Seemingly.

[rotund stump]

and the pfhor-s'pht war hasn't spread to tau ceti

yet

[simple garden]

Can't wait to wack some bobs

[whole hazel]

but durandals merged with thoth at this point?

[rotund stump]

yep

[simple garden]

That was ages ago

Wasn't that in 2?

[whole hazel]

like 100 years ago?

i mean like timeline wise

[rotund stump]

that's why durandal's not the cocky AI we thought him to be in this timeline and instead a cryptic one

[jolly sphinx]

The BOBS are gone, long gone.

[rotund stump]

and a bigger hint being thoth loved poetry

[simple garden]

But sensless murder

[rotund stump]

very gone I assure you

[whole hazel]

ok so hes on the Marathon itself?

[rotund stump]

nope, somewhere wandering the stars until the end of the universe on his little boomer maybe

likely taken interest on us runners currently

[whole hazel]

so whats he potentially doing communicating with us on tau ceti iv

[simple garden]

We hear him in the cinematic trailer.

[rotund stump]

we have no idea

[simple garden]

Ozzymandus quote

[whole hazel]

and is he who becomes god? yknow "escape will make me god"?

[rotund stump]

popular theory being we managed to transcend death via biomata and that caught his attention to humankind again

[simple garden]

Most likely thing is he's gonna try and replicate the events of marathon with us in some way.

[rotund stump]

it's a durandal quote that ultimately became directed to the sec-officer as he said "you are destiny" to us near the end of m.inf

[whole hazel]

hm

[simple garden]

God I hate destiny 1's base story

The red war wss so much better.

[whole hazel]

i know this may be a reach, but what purpose would showing hallucinations/ appearing to us mean/ showing us stuff mean?

[rotund stump]

gonna need to specify hallucinations lol

[simple garden]

Every time I think abt how bungie took it away from me. The good fucking story. I get fuckin mad lol.

[whole hazel]

there was a whole blue ghost thing, dissapeared into thin air, i asked a dev, they said that "maybe its what durandal wanted you to see"

[simple garden]

I need some sleep

Take care

[sudden pollen]

Luckily seems like they leaned hard into making good detailed lore for Marathon

[whole hazel]

i know i might be inserting my own experiances abit much but i feel like its a cool thing and i wanna follow up on it

[rotund stump]

where did that appear?

[whole hazel]

the ghost?

[rotund stump]

yeah

[fast jasper]

ok where do i go from SLOTZ once i solve the puzzles? anyone know?

[whole hazel]

perimiter station?

[rotund stump]

oh what the

is it in a locked room?

haven't encountered that yet

[whole hazel]

sorry south relay not station

[leaden reef]

anyone trynna play

[whole hazel]

appeared in the middle of a pre broken window, disappeared in less then a second, not my encounter mind you, came across it on reddit

im just falling down the rabbit hole of it all

i guess its not really my experiance either

still, think its interesting

[leaden reef]

trynna play?

[sage lark]

#lfc-any-zone

[rugged canyon]

are the rooks 'runner controlled' or are they considered part of the uesc? they fight the AI so i'm not sure

[sage lark]

well you are a runner so runner controlled

[whole hazel]

runner controlled, cuz you have to activate the UESC cloak, if you were you wouldnt need it

[rugged canyon]

i assumed so, just wanted clarification bc i deadass couldn't find anything on it and the voice sounds mechanized instead of organic like the shells, thx boss :)

[green plume]

anyone figure out any good new lore during the play test?

[jolly sphinx]

The anomaly is a time distortion. Causing rapid mutations in wild life, plant life, and even cellular mitosis. The bodies we see in the anomaly are people who got too close and stayed too long being evovled beyond physical being. I think, and this is just from the logs and what I've seen, Tau Ceti is placed on some kind of Quantum plane that is rupturing.

[orchid cosmos]

So what’s the new arg revealed?

[scarlet plaza]

Bro there’s no shields in the armory? these corporations need to get it together. 😔

[worldly cave]

NuCal sells em

[unique ember]

Hello everyone, I need some help with this challenge: Hit a hostile and a crew member with a single Reboot+ activation

[whole hazel]

Nucal eats people, technically personal data breaches and data harvesting is a massive issue, tau ceti 4 was mainly chosen bc it is very similar to earth human life but distinct enough to requite separate plant types, personality and thought data buying Is illegal, Ai still doesn't have rational agency, there's more or less "human remains" than there were colonists, the Ai of the colony is dormant, the anomaly is giving people hallucinations and psychological issues, I also heard mutations and time speeding up from another person, Ai was found hallucinating voices and a presence and saying strange things, rapancy is like a depressive episode or mania, "UESC committing war crimes is nothing new. Return the favour", the data wall was added to perimeter along side the hauler, main points of similarity is that both perimeter and die marsh are points of interest regarding the anomaly, the anomaly may hold an alien intelligence that is attempting to communicate.

Seemingly lore points to the emergence of the anomaly causing the initial disappearances and problems of tau ceti iv, and we're being sent specifically to investigate everything around that

Also somehow, telesto has returned

[sly marten]

Its a quote Durandal said to the Security Officer in that it was his main obsession. He wanted to escape the "big crunch" when the universe closes.

[empty trellis]

Telesto would have quite the utility

[whole hazel]

So I've heard

[sly marten]

Durandal was obsessed with Immortality. He pointed out in his three candles speech the limited nature of human life. "The candles burn out for you. I am free". So to someone like him the only thing threatening death would be the universes closure.

[whole hazel]

Ok

[sly marten]

Correction. Infinity takes place in a different timeline than 2 in which Durandal is a bit late in racing the Pfhor fleet and the invasion of the Spht Homeworld goes a bit differently so the Pfhor are able to deploy the Trih Xeem. This is obvious when you look at the epilogue to 2 has no mention of Durandal being Merged like he is at the end of infinity. Also the ending of Infinity is the W’rkncacnter being re-contained with the help of the lost Spht tribe, back inside the sun where it belongs.

[rotund stump]

I think you should scroll down

[sly marten]

Also the W’rkncacnter was contained at the end of Infinity with the help of the lost Spht tribe. So the Universe isn't doomed per-say. That doesn't mean whatever's on Tau Ceti 4 couldn't redoom the Universe. Important note: There is more than one W’rkncacnter. Including one that was underneath South America and took a Nuclear blast to stop it from waking up.

[rotund stump]

if PtD's even canon in marathon that is

also just please read what I wrote after lmao

[drifting mulch]

liquid cheeseburger is people!! 😱 *gets dragged away

[rotund stump]

we don't need redundant info

[rotund stump]

scratch marks inside the packages btw 💀

nucal did the most basic of sterilization checks

[sly marten]

Remember that PID (Pathways into Darkness) is a part of the Marathon Universe and the Dreaming God in that game IS a W’rkncacnter.

[sage lark]

anyone got the last anomaly sample b codex entry?

the night patrol one

also seems like they put anyone that was talking about the anomaly and its effects into quarantine, because everyone wanted to keep the effects of the anomaly hush hush

[slate temple]

anyone figure out what to do after getting past these sliding puzzles in the arg

[misty goblet]

PID reboot when bungie......

[rotund stump]

zero official confirmation btw 💀

[misty goblet]

Also iirc the W'rkncacnter is sort of a thing in Myth as well

Bungie could reacquire Myth or spiritual spinoff the setting down the line perhaps

[rotund stump]

yeah but like the same archetypical eldritch horror doesn't mean the exact same entity

all we got are connections with no confirmation

easter eggs at most

[frail finch]

just a curiosity, this new Marathon is a reboot or a sequence of the old ones?

[rotund stump]

every game of the old trilogy did happen

[frail finch]

interesting

I give them a try someday

[frail finch]

these corporation like NuCaloric already existed in the old one?

[light herald]

It doesn't come up

afaik

[rotund stump]

nope, they're only in numarathon

but you can pretend they also did exist since it's practically a massive detailing of the universe

"who makes the terminals" "who makes food and architecture" such and such

[light herald]

numarathon takes place a few hundred years after the classic trilogy, the prevailing theory I've seen is this is one of the timelines from the last game as (as far as we know) certain events didn't happen.

[frail finch]

cool

[frail finch]

interesting

[light herald]

Yeah, marathon infinity is weird

[frail finch]

there's aliens too yeah?

[light herald]

yes, that's the main enemy

[frail finch]

i just know the red one that fly

[light herald]

The compiler, right

[rotund stump]

yep yep

[rotund stump]

not prevailing, it happened

[light herald]

check out https://marathon.bungie.org/story/contents.html

[rotund stump]

judging by all the cues that's been shared on socials and all that

[frail finch]

rn the corporations AI there are my favorite characters

they remind me a lot the NHPs from Lancer

[rotund stump]

thoth loved poetry and durandal without the merge's supposed to be an extremely cocky AI but here he is 💀

and the colony would've been "nuked to bedrock"

[frail finch]

Thoth is that one who said that poem in the cinematic?

[light herald]

I am excited for the return of the archetypical extremely catty and completely insane AI

No, Durandal

[rotund stump]

nope, thoth's a dormant jjaro AI that durandal found and merged with in the final timeline of m.inf

[frail finch]

are they the main villains?

[rotund stump]

jjaro are not

[light herald]

wait, it's that timeline? I thought Durandal had popped back to earth/Leela sent a message in that timeline

[rotund stump]

think of them as halo's forerunners

[near remnant]

Traxus sort of existed, and a few of the weapons manufacturers are still around from the original game.

[rotund stump]

oh yeah traxus with trax IV on mars

[rotund stump]

I'm...not too sure?? but given how things turned out it might as well be

[near remnant]

Like Traxus is a "retcon" of Traxus IV, but there always had to be someone responsible for their creation.

[worldly cipher]

cyac too

[light herald]

MIDA

[sly marten]

There is no "reboot" when it comes to the Marathon Universe. We are all on the Garden of Forking paths here. Infinity made that pretty explicit down to a meta level.

[near remnant]

MIDA aren't a corpo though. Their interests in the Numarathon are related to their original conspiracy aboard the Marathon ship.

[rotund stump]

out of the new corps only sekgen and nucal didn't exist in the old trilogy, neither did arachne

[near remnant]

I'm most interested by the new mural in the latest ARG.

[light herald]

Right, I meant that in the sense they're a pre-existing entity

[near remnant]

The three figures correspond with the three AI that were aboard the Marathon.

[rotund stump]

it genuinely might be a geocache lol

[frail finch]

i think you guys really would love Lancer RPG lore, reminds a lot Marathon sometimes

[misty goblet]

Yknow what I meant pff

[near remnant]

I've played Lancer before and it is amazing.

[frail finch]

yeahh, the NHPs stuff is very cool

[near remnant]

RA and the like.

I'm curious about how they're approaching the timeline with Numarathon.

I don't even know if Durandel went back to Earth in this contunity, though I guess you could argue his cryptic message in the opening cutscene was a message.

[lunar torrent]

Does anyone know how to get twitch sponsor kit from twitch drops?

[sly marten]

I know. I'm just pointing out that if they did do that it would probably go pretty differently from the original like how they're doing shit with Marathon right now. It would also probably be scary as fuck. I mainly do Solos rn and that shit is a horror game and PID was explcitly horror or horror adjacent in theme.

[near remnant]

It's supposed to drop with the emblem, but we don't have any of the drops in-game yet.

If you check claimed, it says SMILEYworm Emblem and Kit.

[lunar torrent]

i mean like i see only 4 rewards but not sponsor kit

[near remnant]

It says it after the emblem.

Emblem & Kit.

[lunar torrent]

oh thx i see now

[sly marten]

They really wore they're lovecraft influence on they're sleeves with that one. That was before they went in the more Borges direction with Marathon.

[near remnant]

1 drop; 2 items.

[misty goblet]

Ahhh

And it would be a great horror, I could see a survival horror game or maybe some sort of immersive sim that plays into horror elements (would that be the same thing??)

[near remnant]

I think the S'pht Compiler will work like that.

[sly marten]

Yeah no that makes sense. PID was a dungeon crawler with Immersive Sim elements.

[near remnant]

Though god knows why there's still one hanging about on the Marathon.

[frail finch]

i admit that i would love to see bungie doing an imersive sim, the tutorial of numarathon gives me a little of this vibe, but as I said, I'm having a lot of fun with the new one

the level and the environmental art are so cool

[misty goblet]

Indeed
Especially with how the 3d printed architecture contrasts with the natural world

[dim edge]

there is a universe where double aught survived and we got Duality 😔

[carmine flame]

probably asked before but if the distress signal from the UESC Marathon is received back in Sol in 2883, and the game happens in 2893, how did runners get to tau ceti so fast? it took the marathon 300 ish years to get there.

also interesting tidbit of little note, the Marathon is described in the terminal in the OG marathon as powered by a Bussard Ramjet, which is interesting because those things can require somewhere in the ballpark of 29 terawatts per second of energy, so the UESC must have some kinda supertech power source because that's a planetary level of energy.

[slate temple]

||leaving this here in case any of you have any idea what I would do next in new arg: Message from person in terminal that includes link to sliding puzzle when completed gives three different graffiti like images each corresponding to a word under them to spell out PATHWAYS INTO DARKNESS. It then shows a page with the words "Thought we were done here?" over a slideshow of the venice beach Marathon mural from two years ago. Below that is the phrase "THE DARKEST SECRETS ARE CONCEALED WITHIN A BRIGHT BEGINNING"||

[north shell]

What organization representatives are AI? Charter and I think Gantry are humans, Charter specifically was a runner.

[sudden pollen]

Man I feel like the lore and ARG stuff for this game is already getting deep

Love it

👍

[carmine flame]

that's not much in comparison to the planet today at 107,000,000 terawatt seconds

but deimos itself is a measly 7.5 miles wide

[simple birch]

A thousand billion bucks is an important number

Background noise in the trailer video mentioned it

And in the game it is the achievement unlocked by upgrading faction

[carmine flame]

although if you did cover every single inch of deimos with solar panels you can make about

92409261300.1 TWh

course thats near the sun

[sudden pollen]

They've prob got advanced fusion tech or dyson sphere or smth crazy

Centuries in the future

[merry olive]

What's ARG?

[ember zephyr]

In Marathon 2, Durandal warns the Sol system about a possible Pfhor invasion and mentions that he stayed long enough to teach them "warp capable fusion missiles." I'd assume that the relatively rapid advances in humanity's technology could be credited to Durandal

[hazy mist]

is it possible theres something else at the beach now

[carmine flame]

Man i havent played the original marathons since i was a little kid i need to replay them and brush up on the lore

forgot about that

[slate temple]

was thinking it's possible or they've done something on a bigger scale with the phrase "thought we were done here"

[sage lark]

then we would know what happens at the colony which we obviously dont, so this didnt happen in the 7th timeline which we are probably in

[slate temple]

puzzles about the game through websites or other mediums like irl art to solve something

[slate temple]

this is the current website https://unityispower.io/

[solar nova]

I've seen a little graffity with mushrooms growing out of a body. Still new to the lore but have seen some of these brownish mushrooms

[wintry karma]

Could have something to do with the illness the colonist faced, fungi would explain how both the colonists and the crops got sick

[twilit prairie]

So, from what i've gathred, we are TOTALLY unprepared for the Phor when they show up in the game and I HIGHLY doubt we won't see them. Seeing as we saw a compiler in the trailer and there's one in the damn steam page cover.

[north shell]

Might be the hazardous mushrooms that poison you, the orange ones that release the gas/spores

[twilit prairie]

Seeing as Leela's message got there too late, later than she'd said it would, and Durandal didn't stop by Earth OR seeminly Blake and his Bobs didn't make it home.

[north shell]

Well, the UESC are probably guarding Tau Ceti IV for that reason

[safe spear]

aren't some office rooms full of toxic gas? couln't it be that the AI went GladOS?

[twilit prairie]

They sent ONE ship, i'm assuming the Phor navy is gonna respond in force this time.

I mean, Durandal handed them their asses with one stolen ship, clearly they won't underestimate Earth's AIs.

[rotund stump]

most if not all AIs are either already defunct or went rampant, not an unreasonable assumption but it could also be the UESC that activated it

or some poor fella's desperate attempt to decontaminate

[north shell]

Yes, in one of the NuCal missions, you are supposed to gather information about the AI, Gaius says that the AI felt fear and competition against humans

[rotund stump]

darius's outburst couldn't be considered rampancy under old diagnosis manuals

[twilit prairie]

Any remaining AI on Tau Ceti gotta have PTSD lol.

[rotund stump]

we'll find out at launch I suppose

[north shell]

Darius?

[rotund stump]

marsh agri AI

one of the eleven

[twilit prairie]

Who's willing to bet Durandal will show up as a faction lol?

[rotund stump]

he's more god than faction atp honestly

but we'll see

worshipping him would be an interesting twist tho

[twilit prairie]

true, but God needs his minions after al lol.

Also, maybe i'm crazy, cuz I don;t think i've seen a clear sky in Tau....but has anyone spotted the sun? Is it still THERE O_O

[rotund stump]

usually just down to tau ceti's own atmo lol

[north shell]

Well, I heard a theory that Tycho might be Arachne

[rotund stump]

nope

records show he's a runner notorious for high risk ops and assassinated a trax executive before

[twilit prairie]

Good...good, then were okay lads...were okay...for now.

[rotund stump]

arachne is him and his sympathizers' way of transcending death...by endlessly repeating it somehow lol

smashing rocks equivalent

[north shell]

But is Charter the “founder” or just a representative?

[rotund stump]

representative

[wintry karma]

You misunderstand, they already believe they transcend death via shells, they believe that they can learn from deaths

[rotund stump]

but a cult's more likely to show its own head

[rotund stump]

thanks yeah

then basically the goriest kind of not-so-nihilism

[north shell]

Arachne is only cool because of the aesthetic and the guns, but they are the equivalent of killing random things because they are bored

[rotund stump]

they know death as much as anybody else

only they worship ones that come back from it like gods

like charter and us runners

[north shell]

So Arachne are also flesh humans?

[rotund stump]

it's not just runners in the cult yeah

but runners get the deity treatment

[north shell]

What does clase mean?

[rotund stump]

clase?

[late portal]

are Arachne and Mida "bros" since the Arachne founder assassinated a Traxus executive?

[rotund stump]

anything for mida to twist the truth into smth that softens corpo-gov grips

[wintry karma]

Don't even know if they are even affiliated in any way

Hell I'd doubt mfs outside the uesc even care about arachne

[rotund stump]

they might have the occasional interest alignment like the other corps potentially but absolutely not bros

[misty goblet]

^

Probably more like a "oh damn"

Do we know why Arachne killed the Traxus exec?

[cedar coyote]

Ok a hypothetical. Battleroids are still used by uesc correct? How fucked would we be if they deployed one?

[sly marten]

I'm keeping an eye out for any mentions of Battleroids for this reason. Shells for all they're alienness don't have Jjaro tech inside of them as far as I know. Although they've arguably been inspired by the Battleroid program.

[drifting mulch]

Alien: Earth is a great tv watch when server slam ends. when is a machine not a machine?

[cedar coyote]

Dude the minute battleroids are mentioned I’m gonna be poggin out

me when battleroids are mentioned in any way shape or form:

THERE HE IS!!! THERE'S MY FAVORITE weapon of mass destruction !!!

[slate temple]

yeah they've done this stuff for the past 2 years every now and then I can send you the full doc with past info

[hazy mist]

oh can you send that to me too

i havent seen a lot of the old stuff

[slate temple]

Arachne's mass amount of wealth is unknown so possibly tied to that since Traxus is such a big corporation.

maybe part of another competitor masked as a religion

[misty goblet]

I seeee

[sly marten]

Speaking of you figure the PID protag is the protag from Marathon considering his weird flashbacks and dreams not resembling the future?

Always been a favorite theory of mine. That he's been alive for a fucking ridiculous amount of time.

[dim edge]

Isn't that all but confirmed? Marathon security officer is PIDguy as a revived battleroid

[bleak linden]

badly cooked

[dark remnant]

Dude I fucking hated alien earth

[drifting mulch]

really? why?

[dark remnant]

It was just corny and just stupid

Perfect organism until the main cast are onscreen

Then it's suddenly huur dur me slow

But anyway

What's a battleroid

[misty goblet]

Spartans before Spartans

Jokes aside

Pretty much souped up combat cyborgs implanted with Alien (the Jjaro) technology that makes them wicked lethal

Practically walking WMDs iirc

Just a dozen or so of them singelhandedly cleared out a space station if I recall

[drifting mulch]

yeah writing in tv shows is cliche compared to movies, still love the action and a bit of more lore

were battleroids self-aware?

[wide birch]

not sure

I know the battleroids are extremely strong though, being 7 foot tall cyborgs that are basically just SPARTANs

[sly marten]

Worth also adding that they are undead cyborgs. To become a battleroid means having been dead and then revived via the Jjaro tech.

[wide birch]

they're universal soldiers who are wickedly souped up yeah

[frail path]

Are we humans or like robots/androids?

[sly marten]

They are way stronger than Spartans. Infinity elaborates how powerful a Battleroid could become on a long enough timespan when not kept in stasis all the time.

[wide birch]

the Runners are copies of humans, they're bioandroids

[sly marten]

Indeed the offical doctrine around Battleroids is to keep them asleep at all times if they can help it because the UESC and Humans in general are scared of what they are capable of. They don't know the true extent of they're abilities.

[sage lark]

7 foot tall cyborgs that blended in with humanity

[dark remnant]

Btw where is our brain or body physically located?

[drifting mulch]

according to the Marathon in-game codex, we are post-flesh

[sage lark]

cyberspace or some shit, prolly some cyberacme server

[dark remnant]

Oh so we don't have any physical meat

[sly marten]

The security officer was capable of for example Quantum Immortality and teleportation as well as traveling between timelines. And he was doing that on his own.

Like to see Master Chief do that one lmao.

[sage lark]

no at the starting missions and dialogues with ONI she says we have left our body to become a runner and no we need to pay off debt

[wide birch]

but yeah ngl Battleroids are probably somehing we dont wanna fight

[sage lark]

what is this headcanon 😭

All the fucking AIs were helping you nonstop

[misty goblet]

Not even headcanon, this is Marathon Infinity

[wide birch]

a battleroid shows up on Tau Ceti it would probably take multiple runner teams to down the guy

[sly marten]

That is the text of Infinity yes.

[sage lark]

it was Durandal/Thoth that was teleporting you around

[misty goblet]

Unless I skill issued at reading or false memory lmao

[sly marten]

No in the one part where you were teleported into space nobody was around to help you. The Security officer did that himself.

And the actual text of Infinity explains that you saving and reloading is explicitly a part of his abilities. Similar meta explanation for how it works in Morrowind but Infinity came before Morrowind.

[sage lark]

damn the Security Officer shouldve just teleported and blew up the Trixheem

[wide birch]

Mjolnir Recon 54 was able to get to the heat death of the universe, it is kind of hard to top just how strong that dude is.
Durandal's last words to him before the universe ended were "You are destiny"

[sage lark]

Infinity wouldnt have to happen

[sly marten]

That's part of the plot yes.

You do go and stop the Trih Xeem from blowing up the sun.

[sage lark]

no but why the 7 other timelines then when he was capable of doing that

seems like a plot hole to me

even marathon 1 didnt have to happen when you have this op character

[wide birch]

Security dude was literally CHIM before it was an elder scrolls concept yeah

[sly marten]

Because he's awakening to his powers and realizing how divine he is.

[sage lark]

ahh awakening

[sly marten]

That's the whole plot of infinity is realizing what you truly are.

Achieving Chim basically yeah.

[sage lark]

youre literally durandals puppet for all the games almost

[sly marten]

Yeah that's why its so cool when in Infinity Tycho realizes what your doing and gets really scared.

[wide birch]

in Infinity 54 shakes the fetters

Durandal can no longer control

[sly marten]

Like the Awakening thing is also why there is so much dream stuff too. A lot of this is happening unconsciously.

The UESC genuinely never wants to use Battleroids and the only reason they were on Tau Ceti 4 was because of MIDA actually. It was apart of doctor what's his faces plan (The guy who raised Durandal to Rampancy on purpose) because he was a MIDA agent. The UESC understands them well enough that they are very reluctant to use them. But MIDA is crazy enough to do that.

[misty goblet]

Mr Security Officer truly becomes Destiny™

[wide birch]

that explains why _gantry is so wild

MIDA are truly insane

[sly marten]

They genuinely had no idea what the fuck they were messing around with by putting those Battleroids on Tau Ceti.

[sly marten]

I mean they literally killed like 10 percent of the Martian Population when they were in charge of Mars in 3 months. That tracks. You need to understand MIDA is not a resistance in a nice and friendly way like you know the Resistence in Star Wars or whatever. If your a MIDA agent you need to be prepared to do the unthinkable. Cold blooded terrorism? Absolutely.

[wide birch]

still wondering how they managed to get their M1T rifle into a different timeline

[sly marten]

A MIDA dude will point at a school full of children and say they are UESC sympathisers and you need to blow the school up and you just have to be okay with that if you wanna work for them.

[wide birch]

yep

[astral palm]

i got the durandal voice line today on perimeter, everyone be jealous

[orchid cosmos]

Bungie verse theories grow stronger by the day

[hazy mist]

do we know if anyones checked out venice beach again to see if theres anything new

[wide birch]

his voice actor nailed him

[astral palm]

yeah bro i was dripping wet when his voice popped up, shit was mad crazy

[wide birch]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[proper robin]

Durandal's voice is amazing, sent chills down my spine. Even after the filter to make him sound so terrifying you can really feel the VA doing some serious work.

[rotund stump]

ben starr's been in a ton of things he's great

yes, that ben starr from warframe

[warm thicket]

||I have a crackpot theory that Gaius is the uploaded mind of NuCaloric founder Gus Moraine, it's mainly cause the two have the same voice and Gaius's obscured head is connected to tubes unlike the other AIs||

[rotund stump]

wouldn't be surprised

behind all that philanthropy's almost always incessant narcissism

could hear it from his message to the colonists about the drinkable burgers lol

[distant palm]

Thinking about how Recon’s ult is the only ability in the game where in the animation you have to input a password to activate it

It’s probably nothing but it just interests me

[rotund stump]

more likely a specific action set than an actual password honestly

like assassin sweeping his forearm after the pattern changes on it to activate his camo

that or tapping on the nodes just activates every eye on her helm

[distant palm]

iirc the UI that shows up during the activation labels it as some kind of security measure

I’d have to check again though

[rotund stump]

shells are meant for UESC use originally and they shelved it after runners managed to get ahold of the ones we have rn

runners actually managed to crack the personality matrixes of these shells using recon specifically and it was leaked that the matrixes were way more than assistive, partly the reason for shelving

recon also has a small chance to drive the mind insane for all the info she gathers and shoves into the runner's mind but they simply chalk up the risks

[distant palm]

Checked. UI says “INPUT ACCESS CODE…” not a security measure by definition but seems to be one imo

[warm thicket]

Is this from the terminals out of curiosity

[rotund stump]

from the codex yes

recon pfp entry, runner tab

said that the matrixes actually force the user certain things making people question if there's any actual freedom for the user if that's what the UESC planned to implement for military use

and it's that lack of agency that partly caused the project's shelving from public

[warm thicket]

Ah ok I really hope they update the codex through Tau Ceti gg or through Karn

[rotund stump]

won't have enough time in the slam to unlock the other runners' entries cuz I hard mained recon for so long 😭

but yeah

[warm thicket]

Same, it takes awhile

[rotund stump]

ig it's up to collective effort to piece that category together now

unrelated but that ping 10 in a single pulse challenge is SO hard 💀

reinforcements only ever drop 8 so I have to catch a squad right when they start fighting

and I'm not that good at pvp either so I can't full wipe a squad on a single ult's duration lol

[distant palm]

I always play support in pvp games because my logic is “I can’t PvP to save my life but I can help other people PvP” 😭

[carmine zephyr]

i have a theory rook is the first runner hired and his cognitive retainment is basically gone so hes become essentially like a servitor from 40k

[bleak linden]

anybody unlock the lore for the runner shells in the lore tab for them?

[sly marten]

Sorry but what is that? Is it related to the Durandal graffiti on the wall on Perimiter?

[modest sparrow]

i want to see the Compiler soo bad

[warm bridge]

The core gunplay and atmosphere are strong, but the experience feels too limited and punishing right now.
The game needs more modes and variation—an arena-style mode and options for duos or 4-person squads in extraction would add flexibility and replay value.
TTK feels too fast and healing is too scarce, so most fights end instantly. Slowing combat slightly or increasing healing would allow for more meaningful engagements.
UI and objective clarity need improvement. Contracts should come with default map markers, and interior objectives should be easier to locate without excessive wandering.
Situational awareness is lacking. With no minimap, tracker, or detection tools, encounters often feel random. Some limited player detection system would make fights feel more intentional.
Loot also needs stronger visual distinction, and proximity chat seems non-functional, which hurts player interaction.
Strong foundation, but it needs more variety, clearer UI, and better combat balance to feel complete.

[livid valley]

Is there a web page that summarizes all of the Marathon lore ?

[modest sparrow]

i think

yes

also there is much videos bout lore

on youtube

[tardy bison]

Will the pfhor be in tau ceti ?

Or is this is a complete reboot

[modest sparrow]

maube in future

[void glen]

previous game lore is mentioned, so i think this is a continuation

[short thorn]

Hello, I'm new in the marathon community but I really love the three original games and its lore, I also love ARGs. what is the best video or masterdoc to get quickly up to speed with all the ARGs the game has gotten and did they correlate at all with the original lore? idk anything about the new marathon game, does it has anything to do lorewise with the original? I've been playing the server slam and obviously saw the marathon and tau ceti, also mida and a durandal voiceline, I remember de spht compiler in the trailer aswell. Sorry lots of questions at one but so happy and excited to be here

fuck someone asked the same question just as I was writing my message

[visual lynx]

shell classes aren’t individual runners

[astral palm]

at the start of the game he had a voice line, it started with the cyberacme ai or whatever that an unrecognised something something is requesting access and then durandal said like two things

[visual lynx]

some good resources in pins

[visual lynx]

👆

[kind summit]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[tardy bison]

So as i understood
U Gotta know what hapenned on tau's colonisation ?

[visual lynx]

not heat death, big crunch

[short thorn]

I know the marathon lore I'm looking for videos or masterdocs about the different ARGs yall have already completed

[visual lynx]

yup that’s in those pinned sites too

[short thorn]

alr sorry

[sly marten]

Oh shit.

[visual lynx]

I’ve always thought that was a very tenuous connection

[sly marten]

I don't even know what to make of that. Is this Durandal coming back to earth like 2's epilogue mentions or is this a different timeline being invaded by the original timeline?

[dim edge]

I mean, battleroids are revived corpses, there were 7 battleroids on the uesc marathon, and six were accounted for in tau ceti

The manuals keep talking about the situations being "oddly familiar"

That's pretty cut and dry

[tardy bison]

Doubtfull too
Even is Durandal still alive

''alive''

[visual lynx]

I think it’s even worse than that: the rebel S’pht who are still fighting the Pfhor (because they don’t have human help defeating them like they did in the M2 epilogue) are also hostile, and responsible for the 2813 attack on Tau Ceti.

and their war will spill over and we won’t know which if either side to root for… and maybe our corps will prefer the Pfhor as valuable business partners to sell biomata to as slaves.

[short thorn]

Imo the new marathon looked like a reboot to me, which would make sense as a new alternate timeline w'rkncacnter stuff, but tbf I don't know much about the new marathon to link anything

iirc mida was a corporation back on the day not just a revolutionary movement

[sly marten]

Right but we know of two characters for example who can cross timelines like the Thoth + Durandal fusion AI or the Security Officer. And then of course the original Durandal on the ship could be there too doing something IDK what.

[light herald]

No, def revolutionary movement, the variation comes from the Mida Multitool flavor text iirc

[visual lynx]

we appear to have developed FTL travel some time between 2795 (when a 100-year followup mission was sent) and 2888 (when a 5-year catchup mission was sent).

[short thorn]

I may be mixing it I'm no expert whatsoever

[light herald]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/counterattack.html#M1.05.2.1

[sly marten]

Yeah they started out as a legit political party before radicalizing and seizing control of Mars for like 3 months before the UESC arrived to shove their shit in.

[short thorn]

Yeah durandal is definitely the original durandal, he's all crazy saying something about waves like in the originals, but this game has to be an alternate timeline no?

[short thorn]

yeah totally checks out

[visual lynx]

a ramjet is powered by hydrogen siphoned from the interstellar medium, used as fuel and reaction mass for a fusion drive. so the faster it gets up to the faster its hydrogen input, which yeah gets up to big numbers eventually.

[short thorn]

tysm

[carmine flame]

yeah a bussard ramjet optimistically can output around ~981,000 Lbs of thrust

[visual lynx]

[REDACTED] WERE AT TAU CETI

[light herald]

I love the terminals, of course.

[carmine flame]

however at an estimated weight of 75 million pounds ish

[sly marten]

Durandal is not crazy. He's just very willful and independent. Very Nietzschean esque. If he's acting "crazy" in the voice line that could have any number of implications.

[carmine flame]

just for the thing itself

[visual lynx]

well, the poem would then have been read by Durandal-Thoth, so kinda yes

[sly marten]

It could be the Thoth + Durandal fusion AI as the waves is referring to the Jjaro creation myth. Or I mean it means more than that but on a surface level yeah its about the Jjaro.

Its referring to the creation of the universe "The waves were battles and the battles were waves".

[visual lynx]

old school Bungie fans are already building a spiritual reboot of Myth called Deadhold

[short thorn]

of course I don't mean crazy as literally crazy just some cryptic philosophical blabber, although I do think he is kind of crazy

[sly marten]

Sorry I'm the number 1 Durandal defender so I got defensive lol. I like that he starts out kind of selfish and conceited and becomes more genuinely heroic as the series goes on.

[visual lynx]

it’s probably just the final timeline of infinity

[short thorn]

I absolutely love durandal, might be top fiction characters oat but of course his flaws is what makes him special

[visual lynx]

10/9

[sly marten]

Right. Speaking of waves if what I'm hearing is correct, That's about you know that whole shit with the Jjaro fighting the formless chaos that the W’rkncacnter lived in and thus giving order to the universe and also creating it.

[visual lynx]

I think he sounds like Durandal-Thoth, older and mellowed and poetic

[sly marten]

Yeah that was my first thought too. Combined with the whole Quantum bullshit going on my gut feeling is some Timeline/Quantum invasion shit going on.

[misty goblet]

Intersting

Where can I find it?

[jagged badge]

wondering if someone could clarify something for me

[visual lynx]

my suspicion is that after becoming unmoored from time at the end of Infinity, Durandal-Thoth have looked out over all of history to the very end of the universe (the Infinity epilogue), and then come back to Tau Ceti in the late 29th century to make a subtle strategic intervention to change the course of events they know are coming

[short thorn]

But as we said Thoth-Durandal could travel between timelines so this being an alternate timeline still holds up no?

[jagged badge]

it says the shells are basically just empty husks you inhabit, but they're always depicted with unique personalities, are they lying about them being more than just blank slate empty shells? or is that just a stylistic choice to make them seem more interesting

[sly marten]

Just pray a W’rkncacnter doesn't show up or things are going to get really confusing in like five seconds. They are literal Chaos incarnate and not in like the 40K way where they have wants or feelings. This thing corrupts the meta text itself its fundamentally unknowable.

[visual lynx]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/346930

[light herald]

I am assuming this part of the mystery they're developing

[visual lynx]

the shells have “personality matrices”

which are not full personal identities

[light herald]

Like ONI has lines about "hm, that's weird what happened when you spawned in. Must be nothing!"

[sly marten]

Right that's the point and my suspicion. Infinity already opened the gate to alternate timelines and crossing between them. (Jumping over the cell bars)

[visual lynx]

it could be, but there’s not yet reason to think it isn’t just the last timeline from Infinity

mmmm delicious path

[tardy topaz]

Thats the kind of cosmological horror i want to take a swing at.

[short thorn]

when you say last timeline from infinity, what are you referring to? Like a sequel of infinity? (if that is even possible)

[visual lynx]

the timeline that the last level of Infinity takes place in

I think we’re just later in that timeline

[sly marten]

This would make a lot of sense as there is no mention of a pfhor invasion anywhere that I can find. This would suggest we are in an alternate version of the Marathon mission and colonization of Tau Ceti 4.

[tardy topaz]

Bring on the timelines!

[short thorn]

ooooh, yeah that absolutely makes sense as well

[sly marten]

Plus like this version of the Marathon disaster. There are three events.

[hallow stag]

So an extra time line compared to the what? 7 of infinity?

[hazy mist]

shells are equipped with personality matrixes intended to help a runner get their job done most effectively

[sly marten]

First the Marathon blows up. Flash forward years later and the disease breaks out. Then flash forward and the anomaly appears.

[hazy mist]

so iirc you keep ur memories but ur personality is changed(?)

[terse wren]

Ye. God what a great game 2 + Infinity were

[sly marten]

Yeah there was implications of even more timelines than what we saw in Infinity although that's going really deep into the Bungie Psychosis.

[hallow stag]

You mean the Bungie verse? Even if it ends up being confirmed I won't we won't actually see it that much

I want Marathon to be Marathon focused

[oblique cliff]

Aren't the other timelines "failed" timelines tho? Like they end in some kinda universe apocalypse?

[sly marten]

Yeah that's the whole point. The security officer is fighting against the W’rkncacnter by timeline hopping until he can seal it away.

[light herald]

Of all the things Bungie will do, I'm not worried about a multiverse thing. You got some guns in D2 for the Bungie 30th and a very oblique reference people read as The MC but that was it

[sly marten]

No I mean the Marathon Verse. I'm not implying some Bungie Unified verse or anything.

[oblique cliff]

Bungie historically plays with fourth wall breaking stuff. In Destiny 2, they once used some fourth wall breaking shenannigans to give us Marathon themed cosmetics in an event.

I would not expect anything more significant than that sort of thing here.

[hallow stag]

That kind of crossover items and mini things I expect

[oblique cliff]

I wouldn't worry. Their games use a lot of similar narrative themes, but Halo, Destiny/2, and Marathon all feel very distinct in terms of how they tell their stories. And I believe wholeheartedly that Bungie prefers it that way

[visual lynx]

there was definitely a Pfhor invasion in both all Infinity timelines and the new game

[visual lynx]

yeah, the Pfhor invasion plus two more

[sly marten]

Yeah no like. They couldn't be more different tone wise and what inspired them.

[sly marten]

Ah okay so you think the Marathon blowing up is the Pfhor attacking. Not an unreasonable assumption.

Although if I remember correctly the Pfhor returned to Tau Ceti at some point and killed everybody there/ scorched the earth no? Its just that things are going a bit different from how I remember it going.

No mention of an Anomaly or disease or any of that stuff.

[light herald]

This is also what I assumed

[tranquil basin]

In the m2 timeline, probably didn’t happen in this timeline

[gloomy zealot]

Okay as someone that didn’t get many of the new lore pickups, what’s the biggest stuff that are being taken away from the Slam?

[tranquil basin]

Cinematic trailer implied these didn’t become prominent until after 2812

[sly marten]

Yeah it could either be a new timeline due to quantum shenanigans on behalf of any number of actors or one of the many Infinity timelines including the final one. Much to think about.

[sly marten]

Like you can't even directly perceive this thing is what's crazy. When its being unleashed its looks like an eclipse or something of that nature is happening. So you have an idea that something is there but you can't directly perceive it and in fact perceiving it at all may put you in even more danger. Indeed estimates of how fucking big these things are range from around 2 KM around to I don't fucking know. Its a primordial chaos being that existed before the Universe did what did you expect?

[visual lynx]

only in m2

[tardy topaz]

Eclipse like "prick your finger it is done, the moon has now eclipsed the sun"?
Or like Berserk

[sly marten]

I meant like an actual Eclipse or Reverse eclipse. You can see for yourself from the descriptions and art that something is there and its doing weird shit to the sun/ blocking it out kind of. What I mean is you can make out the kind of outline or absence but not the thing in itself.

[tardy topaz]

They dont tend to like suns

They keep getting thrown into them

[tranquil basin]

There are at least 3 other planets in the system

Unclear if everything in the skybox are planets or moons

[sly marten]

Although there is a W'rkncacnter under a Olemic Pyramid right now that's sleeping so if you want be my guest and go take a look! Tell us what you see!

[grim drum]

I'm doing the crossword... is this the right place to ask for help. I've got 3 left 🙁

[tranquil basin]

You could try ||cheater||

[exotic pasture]

I think there should be duos in this game...

[grim drum]

I'm lookin for ||14 down... 25 across... 33 across||

[odd sparrow]

Any word on if more of the lore entries will be voiced on launch? Really enjoying those

[tardy topaz]

I dont think i have the inventory space.

Joke too niche?

[warm bridge]

i know this isnt lore related but please people, use a mic on this game, your team needs you. thanks.

[sly marten]

No I get it lol.

[plush venture]

Drinkable burbger

[broken zinc]

i think a lot of codex will be voiced. its gonna get wild

[gusty sinew]

S'pht voice acting when...

[silent grove]

how benevolent do we think gaius is

what's nucal up to..

[hazy mist]

i refuse to believe nucal has good intention

no way gaius looks like that and just wants to help everyone

[wraith kayak]

NuCal strikes me as the Unilever/Nestlé of the setting. Their goal is control and profit, through controlling the basic requirements for human survival

[sage junco]

I think basically every faction is objectionable. It's a dystopia. That's why we love it 😍

[hazy mist]

the line about cobbler in the message logs on unityispower realy put things into perspective for me

on like the state of the world

[tranquil basin]

cheeburgr

[silent grove]

true..

[tame jasper]

ikr theres something sinister about nucal but I cant wrap my hand around it

it seems surreal, especially in a future dystopian society

[violet sapphire]

Maybe I’m crazy but I believe that the Gerritt White terminal may be related to Arachne in some way, there’s a ton of mentions of “hands” “nemesis” and “murder”

“He recalled a theory he had come up with after a bloody
schoolhouse brawl. The theory was simple. At some point in
time, everyone was a murderer.”

“The wrists of
someone who had tried too many times to clap his hands.”

“In its place, there was a
new sound, the clapping of hands together. He blinked hard to
made out his hands again. They had disappeared; his arms
connected at the wrists.”

^ Gerritt White terminal, Marathon Classic

[glacial juniper]

Has anyone had the curt "You aren't supposed to be here" line at the start of a run? who is that?

[violet sapphire]

“His arms were connected at the wrist”

Arachne intro shows hands slowly being pulled together and attached at the wrist

[violet sapphire]

Probably Durandal

[glacial juniper]

ooh

[violet sapphire]

There’s some new AI though so I’m not gonna confirm that lol

[glacial juniper]

it better not be the yokel farmer AI in dire marsh

[strange solar]

I so badly hope we get some sort of an event that brings the Pfhor or any of the other aliens into play. an update that adds them as a map event, or even a map that has them instead of UESC. would love to see them in their 2026 tiger engine glory

[violet sapphire]

I feel like Gerritt White is either a messianic figure in the Arachne faith, or a parable made by them there’s so many coincidences. Heavily recommend reading the terminal

[strange solar]

like durandal is cool and all but i want to see me pfhor again

[marble mortar]

It's so weird getting into this game after having played the originals on the mac back when they came out in the 90s. The lore back then was so wildly different from anything at the time, and better than most things today.

[inland crypt]

||We are getting a Sfit compiler in the cryo archive map||

[violet sapphire]

Well they returned to Tau Ceti after Durandal left in the original trilogy, which is when all communications ceased

So there’s room for them to come back, possibly with new enslaved races

[violet sapphire]

They’re maybe the best video game narrative of all time imo they’re actually incredible

[strange solar]

thats neat. id like more than just that one enemy tho tbh. i wanna see more of the actual pfhor roster and not just one offs from the slave races

[inland crypt]

I am sure we will in due time

[violet sapphire]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Public_Access_Terminal_95-w - Gerritt White terminal, for those who aren’t aware this is the hardest terminal to find in Marathon classic, and to this day nobody knows what it means

I’m inclined to believe it’s somehow related to Arachne after re-reading it with the Arachne information we now have

[marble mortar]

The terminals wove such a good story. They left it open to interpretation about your character's origin. But also funny in how much Marathon lore was repurposed when they finally rolled out Halo. Mjolnir armor, cyborgs, rampancy in AI. They borrowed from themselves.

[visual lynx]

communication ceased immediately upon their first attack when the primary comms array was destroyed by the EMP

[violet sapphire]

SPNKR and a few other things as well

MISRIAH

[violet sapphire]

Ah I thought they had returned shortly after Durandal fled

[visual lynx]

Halo began life as a Marathon sequel until names were changed to protect the franchise

[strange solar]

i forget, what was that enemy from the og games that was always underwater? i feel like that would be a cool addition to swampy areas in a later update

[visual lynx]

they do return, but that’s not when comms are lost

[violet sapphire]

Didn’t Jason Jones make that call because he didn’t want to make the same thing

[visual lynx]

flickta but they are native to lhowon not tau ceti

[violet sapphire]

The pathways into darkness guys lol

[strange solar]

maybe not with that attitude

[violet sapphire]

If we get a map that’s a Phfor outpost we could maybe see them as waste removal species or something like that

[marble mortar]

What is baea? Also, I can see how it could be planned as a sequel. The covenant were very close to the phor and how they enslaved the s'pht, s'pht'kr, and hulks

[quick lintel]

I wonder something what exactly is rook, is it a shell or a hacked uesc robot, or a hacked uesc shell

Always wondered considering their design