📚marathon-lore-discussion

[fathom vine]

making something different, maybe more fleshy and alien would make the plastic, 3D printed feel of our runners and humanity

[sterile sleet]

Yess

I imaigne them with oposit colours to more dark etc

[fathom vine]

i think if you search phfor ship you can see some of the images and art from the og games

very similar to covenant ships from halo

[sterile sleet]

This guys are s'pht compilers.

[sterile sleet]

I play the 3 games recently even they have purple colours etc

[fathom vine]

i do hope they make the phfor visually contrast the world of tau ceti, weird, asymmetrical and complex shapes and detailing

really alien and out there

[tardy veldt]

Yeah, they asked for Compilers

[sterile sleet]

The worlds on the old games looks cool but for the tecnology on 90s it was very limited but if you see the art of the game looks like temples with dust etc.

Is cool imagine this kind of stuff.

[visual lynx]

I think we'll probably get S'pht on by some 'Kr once the war spills over to TCIV

[sharp vine]

just wondering if Tau Ceti is where the runners are deployed, where are the runner shells built exactly? Like are they built on earth and then deployed to Tau Ceti?

And if the runners have uploaded consciousness from people who pilot them (akin to how players “pilot” game characters) what is stopping one person from killing/harming the a person piloting a runner directly? (Especially since the runners work for different factions)

[tranquil basin]

I assume they shipped a big spaceship out to tau ceti with the capability of manufacturing shells, otherwise they’d be spending insane amounts of money and fuel going back and forth, the cinematic also made it look like the manufacturing was near tau ceti

[sharp vine]

Ah gotcha that makes sense 😅

[tranquil basin]

The person’s consciousness is inside the actual runner shell, then ejected upon dying. If this was real I’m sure there would be some issues guaranteeing the consciousness can eject before the system shuts down but it’s fiction idk

[sharp vine]

I can see that making sense. So there are likely safeguards in place to keep the person piloting the runner safe.

[tranquil basin]

Yeah for sake of narrative I’m guessing they just guarantee your consciousness gets ejected safely back up to mother base when u get shot

[eternal knoll]

just keep a backup consciousness runnin in parallel. pipe the live feed to it on a time buffer (so there's no subjective difference) and restore that mind to the original body if the real planetside one gets roasted. if there's no recovery error you can safely just terminate it. ez pz

[tranquil basin]

Well I think the lore implies there’s only one actual consciousness of a person, and copying it wouldn’t work. This isn’t explicitly stated anywhere, but here’s my logic:

if u could just copy consciousnesses like that all the time, there’d be no point in getting people to volunteer as runners. They’d just take like the most John wick esque person they can find, copy his consciousness a billion times and have them operate every shell and then just sell those cracked shells to the highest bidders.

However, since they seem to heavily lean into the idea that you are an individual human who gave up their body to do this, that seems to imply they need people to volunteer, thus there’s some reason they can’t just duplicate them all they want

[dusty escarp]

do the shells/runners have genders?

[dusty escarp]

ik that its like consciousness->shell but like do the shells themselves have genders since they are essentially someone elses body

[tranquil basin]

Back when they were still names heroes I think?

[eternal knoll]

ye. it may be some mix of the two - where real human brains are needed but such brains can run multiple of these processes at once? hard to say for sure. i def think there's a chance that runners are just simulations all the way down

[tranquil basin]

The body itself isn’t someone else’s body, the personality matrix is a conglomerate of many personalities, and then the body is just the shell they decided to put with the personality

[thin dust]

They only said that about the locus.

They haven't said anything about any of the other shells and how their personality matrix came to be.

And, on top of that, what they said about locus shells could just be sekigucci and UESC Corpo speak.

They wouldn't try to cover up that you're losing your personality to that of the shell noooooo not at atll

[tranquil basin]

I mean yeah but if they’re mass producing them, it would make sense that they’re all made in similar fashion. They also said the locus/destroyer is the same format as icon/thief, series/model. Also whether they lose their personality or not is irrelevant to whether their consciousness is still an individual thing or not

[frosty folio]

how did the first trip to tau ceti from uesc marathon take 300 years but when they received the messages of what happened in the colonies of tau ceti they came to tau ceti in under 300 years? am i missing something

[tranquil basin]

Marathon was built in the 2300s-2400s. Tech advanced, then they launched the equanimity in the early 2800s, with an estimated arrival time of about 2890ish, somewhere around the time the game takes place. Both of these are sub light speeds because the distance to tau ceti is 12ly.

Corps and factions decided to go to tau ceti in 2888, and arrive in 2893. Thus, it means they somehow developed ftl travel between the equanimity launch and 2890s

Just tech advancements

[thin dust]

I think its very important potentialy for the story they wrote. We can't make assumptions. I wouldn't be surprised if the OG theif is out there somewhere. Or Vandal or Assassin.

They are still calling these shells clones that intergrate your dna

So it isn't 100% your dna, it can be some mix of your DNA, the shell donors DNA, and Sekigucci's own personal gene alterations

[tranquil basin]

Well it’s not like I’m making an assumption based on sekiguchi or big corp propaganda, it’s info from the devs themselves. And it’s not like the devs said “according to sekiguchi, the locus is a series, destroyer is the model” they just flat out said that’s how it works, specifically in relation to thief as well. They also specifically said the personality matrices are made of the experiences of many people.

Also, with the dna thing, there’s nothing that says the body itself is one specific person’s body model, nothing to imply there is an og thief or vandal, that would be assuming info we don’t have from devs or lore.

Also the dna encoding was, if I’m not mistaken, your dna woven into the fibers that make up the shell. Even if there was an og John destroyer man they modeled it after, it wouldn’t mean his actual dna is in the shell, it’s in the shape/form, but the runner’s dna is what’s woven into the shell

And if we can’t make any assumptions at all, even based on the words of actual devs, then there’s no point in discussing lore at all bc we’d just have to take everything at face value and wait for the next info drops

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[thin dust]

That seems like bungie, to me. However, the Locus thing is just fun flavor, but we have to be sure they only clarified the one. We just have to wait and see

[tranquil basin]

Two

[thin dust]

Who was the second?

[tranquil basin]

Thief icon

They specially said the locus destroyer thing in direct response to a question about thief icon

[thin dust]

I find it interesting they use a different shell to answer the question to the one runner we wont be able to play during server slam

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted"

[tranquil basin]

Well it was on Twitter and someone asked something along the lines of if we get a destroyer collectors edition statue would it look like this referring to the thief statue

[thin dust]

No not exactly

Cool Runner:
confirmed by Jon Goff! this naming convention should apply to every Runner. anybody know what the 2nd part is officially called?

Shell / “Style”

Julia's reply "DESTROYER is the model, LOCUS is the series.

For example: Destroyer shells were first designed for aggressive conflict resolution. Locus is a series of that shell type, trained on the live-fire experience of UESC soldiers and designed to support the user’s combat instincts...

...Its vocalization pattern (the wonderful JB Tadena) is an amalgamation of combat field leaders, tuned to deliver confidence under duress.

Traxus offers an earnable, Traxus-themed skin (“style”) for Locus shells called “Anti-Caution” that can be earned in the Codex."

[split wind]

so we could have multiple different shells in the same series

[thin dust]

I think this is the plan

[split wind]

fem locus please

please

[tranquil basin]

Definitely not a stretch to think since they said destroyer locus, they also meant it’s a format thus thief icon

[split wind]

and male glitch PLEASE

or uh vandal

[thin dust]

Considering the personalities come from the pool of DNA of the UESC vs the SUper Sneaky cat burgler I think sample sizes are not exactly the same

[split wind]

i appreciate having distinct silhouettes in shooters, but i think at the ranges we're playing at, some wackier skins would be fine

and no matter how the character model looks like, if i see a shield, ill know its a destroyer

[vestal onyx]

could be in the same series, but I think more likely they would just be a new series entirely with a different name

[split wind]

maybe the skins will be canonically different shells?

for the same series

but they're all made by sekiguchi, right?

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

For now

[gentle kraken]

sekiguchi patented the worms and are the only ones who know how to print shells

[tranquil basin]

The ARG implied traxus will try to reverse engineer them

[split wind]

yea theyre the only genetics / robotics corp, right?

[tranquil basin]

As far as we know yeah

[split wind]

if the current shells all have abilities made by sekiguchi, then i hope if we get shells from traxus, they would just have completely unique talents

cos surely theres some stuff traxus is capable of that sekiguchi cannot replicate

[vestal onyx]

sekgen makes the original design but I think we have variants by other groups sort of like AIB partners with graphics cards. Read the description for the scuffed up collectors edition skin:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1348077769082536036/1471673304233545828/image.png?ex=6999ad52&is=69985bd2&hm=99232f26af20c7dddc4ee65b1e5b59ba9cc39622e91c2a263937a977d92a7cc4&format=webp&quality=lossless&

"WEAVEwear of Midnight Decay's unique Runner shells"

[split wind]

hmmmm

isnt midnight decay just from deluxe edition, though?

[vestal onyx]

yeah deluxe whatever

[split wind]

but thats neat

are the cores only made by sekiguchi?

[vestal onyx]

also consider Locus wearing UESC armor. That's gotta be blackmarket/jailbroken etc

[split wind]

hmmm its not listed on the cores item description.....

[split wind]

yea rook as well

[vestal onyx]

I guess Oni just sets us up with connections to print whatever we want. Or maybe they're printed at various facilities and beamed to our location somewhere near Tau Ceti 🤔

I'm thinking because the place where the Glitch shell is printed at in the 2025 cinematic looks markedly different compared to the stark white traxus facility in the 2023 cinematic

[fathom mason]

Would anyone be so kind to explain the DAC stuff to me or point me to a video that explains it? In game perks or purely for lore etc?

[silk whale]

https://tauceti.world/profiling

^ I think it's just a "personality quiz," for funsies

[lunar current]

Someone Educate me about the lore

[silk whale]

The o.g. deep lore:

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

Here's some vids on the new lore:

https://youtu.be/4Q_TSc8vWIA?si=Eholvci-ymlMsTtg

https://youtu.be/UWFpScY5eWk?si=YALf99pIbArdDnw9

[green plume]

got any more of these midnight decay pics?

[lunar current]

Thanks

[lunar current]

@floral hazel

[floral hazel]

w

marathon? more like peak

[heady tendon]

Peakathon

[tranquil basin]

Jake the alright has a video on how to do them, and his discord channel has a dedicated area to the arg stuff. No known use for the DAC in terms of the actual game

[lone sedge]

what happens to a runner when they cant afford anymore shells? conciousness deletion to save precious ram?

[vestal onyx]

nah not even the full version of that, but it's probably in one of the recent streams

[sage lark]

Youre stuck on the net

[green plume]

dang, any of the leaks are just the thief skin too really. 6 more days and hopefully we can see all the skins.

[lone sedge]

i wonder how aware runners on the net actually are
is it like beeing in a coma? are you aware of your situatuin or do you only experience beeing while in a shell

[vestal onyx]

yeah I became a lot more interested in them after learning they're gonna include real context and lore

[green plume]

I just want good drip.

[vestal onyx]

well that too

[lone sedge]

i can imagine it beeing like in a comatose state where you just go blank the moment your shell dies and the next time you are aware of stuff is in your next shell or maybe in some other "activated" state between shells to confirm your money and order a new shell

[green plume]

isn't there some type of weird virtual world people in cryo sleep go into?

[strong perch]

im certified mida now… and a lil arachne, but arent we all

[boreal python]

Mida reporting for duty

[cloud pendant]

MIDA Rook skin cannon for sure
-# plz

[half briar]

I'm very happy I got NuCaloric from the online test

[sharp vine]

Just thought of something. What if we got a Marathon animated series, like Halo legends or Cybrrpunk edgerunners!

[north plank]

YES.

get Alberto Mielgo on that

[sharp vine]

Escape with made me anime!

[strong perch]

mida graffiti will be instant purchase for me

just watch dogs two perfected

[sharp vine]

That too!

[gray berry]

How do I get my DAC, its expired

[austere plover]

Dac option in the leaderboard

[split wind]

i wonder if we’ll have backpack skins….

[austere plover]

Maybe glider skins too

[mild apex]

took that test on tauceti world, was pretty fun actually

[strong perch]

if theres a mida skin theyll get money from me

just put “SAVE DEIMOS” in the cool text ill pay $10

[split wind]

i want a nucaloric mini fridge on my back

gotta keep my loot fresh

[glossy turret]

Trying to stay frosty i see

[thin dust]

Only one relevant to a Runner of our nature anyway

I'm sure nucaloric work very close with them with their calorific developmental processes

[gritty burrow]

I’m excited to learn the deal about runners

Especially since the line between ai and runner seems a bit blurry

[north plank]

maybe as Runners we owe a huge amount of cash to someone and that we become Runners to pay it off

it just so happens that Tau Ceti IV is our destination

[gritty burrow]

That’s another thing, can we go back to our bodies after we’re done with TC4?

Probably not lol

[final owl]

Does NuCaloric make those little cat fellas or do we just assume that because they're pink

Serious inquiry.

[turbid nebula]

It is technologically possible but we do not know if we still have access to our bodies

The cats are a Sekiguchi Genetics product.

[final owl]

Curious.

[green plume]

SekGen makes the cat.

[final owl]

Poor nucals bro

[wheat tartan]

Aight, I know someone may have already asked this, but I may as well find out for myself. Considering the new game is connected to the original Marathon trilogy, I'm curious about why the titular UESC Marathon looks so different between then and now, especially since, again, this is presumably the same ship floating above the same planet within the same timeline

I've been trying out the classic trilogy since they are free on steam, so that's why I am asking this a bit

[sinful hamlet]

Btw I think in game wipes are brilliant and can answer this part of the lore. What if each time you finally pay your debt (shell/equipment) and finally get your bag they wipe your mind and take what you acquired ?

[gritty burrow]

Oh that’s diabolical and I love it

[weak bobcat]

What about us

[sinful hamlet]

Profits + you keep runners in the loop

[gritty burrow]

I don’t think there will be a Watsonian answer to this unless they lean into infinity timeline shenanigans

[wheat tartan]

Ah right, like in the third game

Honestly, I can see that as a possibility

Similar events, different look, like the Rebuild of Evangelion movies

[final owl]

I thought you guys had the cool cat. I'm sorry to hear it isn't a rep of your faction.

[green plume]

probably just updated to look way cooler.

[weak bobcat]

Eh its whatev we have amburger

[final owl]

Very true. I would love to share a burg.

[foggy surge]

i have one question who officialy own bingus the cat?

[balmy grail]

How the hell shell for player being transported to map?

[broken spruce]

are the og games tied to this one?

[glossy turret]

KALI is a Prototype shell designed by Sekiguchi

[broken spruce]

i know in the og games u dont play as a runner and yk the ship and stuff never crashed

[glossy turret]

so you know, they're owned by Sekiguchi

[foggy surge]

ok just because sekiguchi own KALI i will consider not skinning all of u alive

[glossy turret]

Speculation revolved around both games is that current day MARATHON is related to the 7th Infinity

[quasi viper]

Weak

[foggy surge]

brother thank u for helping me realize my weakness

[quasi viper]

You are no brother of mine

[glossy turret]

7th Infinity is the Marathon Infinity timeline where the colony is likely alive and a slim chance the survivors returned to earth. There's no mention of defeating the Pfthor empire either, which adds up nicely to the current day MARATHON teasing one.

[blazing comet]

what do y'all think of the Gherritt White terminals from the first game?

[ebon trench]

was strauss a bob

having a hard time finding a credible source of that

[karmic raven]

Where does one start to learn the lore from 0?

[tired harbor]

No he was at the launching ceremony in 2209

[ebon trench]

hmm

[strong perch]

you notice how arachne(tycho?) also has puppet strings while seki(durandal?) is all about “freedom” @visual lynx

[ebon trench]

we dont know if tycho is arachne affiliated tho

[sharp cipher]

The original Marathon games from the 90s

[tired harbor]

Seki is def not Durandal that’s crazy
But tycho being affiliated with Arachne would be pretty cool

[strong perch]

you just got here obv…. basically the signs point to the shells are durandals “children” his “godly” creations, while tycho sees them as a tool for durandal

durandal went back to earth in infinity during a new timeline/dream, theoretically, and helped humans ready themselves for the pfhor invasion, not to just help but to be seen more godly. in NuMarathon he couldve went back to help produce shells…. hes the dude who stole the cybernetic slave junkies ships and then a jjarro ship… durandal knows a lot.

[tired harbor]

New time line? Might be wrong on this but thought it was established that we are in the 7th time line from infinite

[strong perch]

nothing has been established…. other then classic lore even then infinities could be retconned

we are all speculating based on the little new info we have

we could could be playing in 3000+ instead of 2839

vandal had a date printed on her that was in the 3000s… we could be playing after multiple wipes already happened. season 1 could be season “7”

until launch we really dont know anything for sure other then old lore

[half briar]

Honestly so glad hiddenxperia will be making marathon content, as I feel I'll need content like his just to experience most of the narrative, I'm literally so interested in the narrative and I know experiencing it is gonna suck due to the kind of game this is, so having content creators who break it all down is 🔑

[visual lynx]

what

[visual lynx]

that is most likely

[sage lark]

my reaction whenever bro drops a new "theory" 😭

[gray sluice]

They were in the final timeline in infinity though? The trih xeem failed and I swear in some epilogue it said this happened. It's also in the timeline that the community posted on reddit

[broken spruce]

so i just downloaded the original games, and so like, do you play as a uesc?

bc ur not a robot or a shell etc right

the new marathon's whole thing is about exploring what happened to the humans and whatever else and thats why there are runners and what not but the og trilogy is just about u being a security guy right

[visual lynx]

that was the m2 epilogue

[glossy turret]

The issue is that is not the 7th Infinity.

[blazing comet]

About that

[broken spruce]

oh

[tired harbor]

You’re a cyborg
Essentially a corpse resurrected and modified with biomechanics also known as a battleroid

[broken spruce]

ayhh right

[visual lynx]

but you don’t know that

[tired harbor]

Yea that

[broken spruce]

so wtf do u know when this happens

like when u transfer your brain

[visual lynx]

so far as you know you’re just some guy

[broken spruce]

or are we talking about the og games still

[visual lynx]

og games

[broken spruce]

ahhhh okay

[tired harbor]

You know you’re a ordinary guy doing extraordinary things pretty much

[broken spruce]

okay okay

[tired harbor]

As for being UESC
Yes but I think there’s proof that you’re on board cause of MIDA? I’m still hazy on that part ik there’s some secret MIDA stuff happening but don’t fully remember

Not supporting MIDA to be clear but rather smuggled on there I think

[broken spruce]

Ohhh

Right bc thats what the og games are all about right

mida vs the uesc

[tired harbor]

Nah

[broken spruce]

i should just go play the games

LMAO

i assumed the lore and stuff wouldnt actually be in the game bc old games are like that but i guess its not THAT old

[tired harbor]

MIDA is a deep cut. A background story happening.
The games are you vs the phfour

[tired harbor]

Oh no the lore is crazy complex but mostly in terminals and told in unconventional ways

[broken spruce]

fuck yes

[broken spruce]

okay that makes way more sense

cool

[visual lynx]

Marathon basically introduced the notion of lore/story/plot in shooters

[tired harbor]

Tbh I recommend playing the games
I’m not an old head that grew up with boomer shooters but I will stand by the original games. The first one is a lil rough imo and it’s definitely a transition, but considering they are all free on steam it’s worth a try

[visual lynx]

most of the things people think HL introduced, it actually lifted straight from Marathon. bobs to barneys, spht to vortigaunts, etc.

[blazing comet]

A song of ice and fire iirc

What I liked the books a lot!

[half briar]

What the hell is the Wcancnter?

Ive seen that name and I want to know what it is based on the weird ass name alone

[north plank]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/W'rkncacnter

[visual lynx]

eldritch horror from the dawn of time

[half briar]

Wow I look like an idiot

[north plank]

how do you even pronounce that anyway 🤣

[half briar]

Spelled it so abysmally wrong

[broken zinc]

Wer-kin-can-ter

[visual lynx]

no!

[half briar]

Wer-kin-cak-in-ter I think

[visual lynx]

work in cack in ter

[broken zinc]

Yeah that's what i said

:)

Definitely

[visual lynx]

of course the canon answer is that no human throat will ever learn to pronounce it

[green plume]

lets be real... stupid alien name

[broken zinc]

Uesc explode this guy

[fierce yoke]

Where is best to start reading/learning marathon lore? Is there a decent way for new players, or shall I be going back and playing the og trilogy

[green plume]

We gotta think of a good slur to call them. Like Clanker for AI.

[visual lynx]

This particular being, whose name no human throat will ever learn to pronounce

[broken zinc]

I don't think a slur needs to be created for uesc bots

[green plume]

clanker is good enough for the UESC bots.

[visual lynx]

check pins

[green plume]

I was meaning the aliens.

[broken zinc]

I think "Bot" is good enough for uesc bots

[broken zinc]

Why???

[visual lynx]

“bugs” is conventional for the Pfhor

even in-game

Tycho calls them that

[green plume]

work in cack in tor....

Tycho is great.

[visual lynx]

people just say “wrk” for short

[broken zinc]

I don't think having a weird name means yu should make a slur for it

[green plume]

They're aliens, that's justification enough.

[broken zinc]

Hmmm that's pretty weird thing to say out of context

[green plume]

Humanity #1

[broken zinc]

Weird to say that just because something sounds weird needs to have a slur

Sounds like a skill issue if you can't call them what they are

[visual lynx]

it’s different from us, let’s hate it!

[green plume]

They're aliens. That's justification enough.

[green plume]

This guy gets it.

[broken zinc]

What a weird thing to say

[north plank]

what defines something as alien? we could be just as alien to the Pfhor as they are to us

[green plume]

but no really it's more like they'll destroy everything

[broken zinc]

He's making fun of you lol

[pure sierra]

😐

[visual lynx]

I think he’s making the same joke I am, I’m just being more obvious about it

[green plume]

The bugs can get the hands of humanity too.

Dirty slavers.

[north plank]

Starship Troopers style - I like it 🤣

[broken spruce]

so okay u are killing the aielns in the og trilogy

that boarded the marathon

[green plume]

It's satisfying when they turn into a pile of goo on the floor

[broken spruce]

but in the game coming out soon you are a runner who are killing the uesc instead?

LOL

[blazing comet]

The lack of Pfthor is kind of a massive mystery

[broken spruce]

well dont we see that in the cryo whatever

[green plume]

The UESC are all a bunch of clankers so it's not that big a deal.

[broken spruce]

arent they there

ohhh okay i see

i thought they were humans

[green plume]

Not yet.

[blazing comet]

Seems like just the one compiler which is like “wait why are you here”

[broken spruce]

like i ran into one of those aliens with the red robes and dont we see that in the trailer for the

oohh

okayu cool

so thats part of the mystery

[blazing comet]

Mhmm

[broken spruce]

i wish there was a video essay on the 3 games bc i am NOT gonna have time to play through them before marathon comes out LOL

[blazing comet]

Mandaloregaming had 4videos about it

[broken spruce]

idk how long they are but if i know anything about old fps games the map layouts are confusing af

[blazing comet]

Heavily suggest checking those out

[green plume]

I do hope that Spht in the cryo archive place is cool though.

[broken spruce]

okay will do

[blazing comet]

Like non hostile?

[broken spruce]

whats the spht?

[broken zinc]

It would be weird if the spht is hostile honestly

[blazing comet]

The endonym for the compilers

[broken zinc]

Red robe guy

[broken spruce]

ah okay

[green plume]

It would be cool if it were hostile at first just for the fight then was like yo no lets be friends

[broken spruce]

ohh okay cool

[broken zinc]

Also called a compiler

The spht were enslaved by the pfor so in theory since there's no pfor and they should be gone, the spht compiler should no longer be under their control

[green plume]

If anything the thing should know we're the same as the person that freed them from the grips of the pfhor

and be cool

[broken zinc]

Idk if we are the same as the main guy of the og games

[green plume]

Humans

[blazing comet]

Possibly. Mjolnir Recon 54 was a battleroid, not a shell/runner

[broken zinc]

I don't know if runners would even ping as human though. We aren't in human, flesh bodies. We're in biosynthetic ones

Only the mind is human

[sage lark]

Watch HiddenXperia videos on Marathon OG games and you will be mostly up to speed regarding those events

For nuMarathon or the new game theres speculation so its best to see what happens in the game

[blazing comet]

As unions of technology and consciousness they might be cool

[sage lark]

Youre getting mixed info from a lot of people at once so it can be confusing

[blazing comet]

Since the spht are also unions of consciousness and tech

[broken zinc]

Oh yeah definitely. I just mean by if the compiler will even see the runner as human

[green plume]

Yeah they might be able to figure out what we are too since they're technologically advanced

[sage lark]

They are tech geniuses apparently

So we will see

[broken zinc]

We'll certainly see. I am all for team spht friendlies

[blazing comet]

more than just geniuses, like evolutionarily tied to technology

[blazing comet]

at the end of the day, the thing to remember is that, from the get go, Marathon is about metaphysics and consciousness so some headaches may ensue

[silk whale]

Which is of course VERY on-brand for Marathon

[blazing comet]

as a fan of esoterica, is very appealing to me

[sage lark]

True enough lol

[green plume]

Hopefully two cool things come out the cryo vault

[vestal onyx]

Workcenter 👍

[blazing comet]

@broken spruce if you really want to go into the deep end there's also https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[broken spruce]

would be cool if ada-1 was like nucaloric from another timeline or smth

from d2

wouldnt it be cool if they were teasing this game for a long time in the secret areas of the tower or something in destiny 2

[dire aurora]

D2 players would lose their shit brosquito😭🙏

[broken spruce]

oh right forgot

they hate marathon

[dire aurora]

When the game studio decides to make another game after working on the same ip for over a decade :

[meager current]

Tbf marathon was their first IP

[visual lynx]

damn kids need to know where they come from

when the game studio is forced to make the same game for a decade after churning out original new bangers every year for the previous one:

no they had Minotaur and ODS and Gnop before that (if we count Pathways as Marathon)

[sage lark]

Gnop is a fire name

they shouldve made Destiny but name it Gnop

[visual lynx]

Destiny is already a Gnop spinoff

the Traveller is the Ball

[floral ravine]

in the trailer, all those people like dying

is that the reason the runners are being sent in

[sage lark]

lot to unpack here 😭

but yes

[visual lynx]

indirectly yes. contact with the colony was lost and an enigmatic distress signal was later received. everyone is rushing to investigate / loot the bodies.

[floral ravine]

well im seeing that the space thing explodes and then people start dying

aside from the dude that just explodes it seems like they all die similarly

like the brain stops functioing almost

[sage lark]

how deep do you want to go

[floral ravine]

deep enougth to ignore my gf

annoy*

[sage lark]

for a quick and easy one would be to probably watch a couple of videos from this playlist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7uN6-lNhk&list=PLjvQwUwD3L3AZyOQ-h5mXz7u74EliO3La&index=1

most of them cover same stuff but by different people

or if you prefer reading https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[floral ravine]

i can do either

i just kept watching the trailer trying to see anything small

three people die from olding their heads one explodes

[sage lark]

Marathon OG Lore, I recommend HiddenXperia vids covering the original games

[floral ravine]

im just so lost on the exploding guy 😭

[sage lark]

marathon 1, 2 and infinity

this too https://youtu.be/HcZMQYZHoI4?si=-fJRwFMDVInAivq-

[floral ravine]

i had to already change ym faction thing

cause i took the test and got closest to traxus

[sage lark]

if you want current events then this is a good video summarizing ARGs and stuff they released around then https://youtu.be/hSiX35IeBrI?si=ID812issE8dCwhTG

new stuff came out obviously

[floral ravine]

yeah ill watch some of this stuff

is there anything about the faction lores?

[sage lark]

if you go through the playlist there is a video on it I believe

[broken spruce]

https://youtu.be/UWFpScY5eWk?si=1aZr8Dx6iJ955LqU

THIS VID SEEMED GOOD

sorry all caps LMFAO

[floral ravine]

im actually watching this one rn lol

[broken spruce]

nice LOL

oh cyberacme has a history with the game

wait do all the factions have history in the trilogy as well?

[floral ravine]

im pretty sure

aracme is the newest

from what i know

[broken spruce]

neat

well i remember seeing cyberacme on the terminal in the first game

like the first terminal you walk up to

i dont know anything about the other ones

[sage lark]

They are microsoft of the marathon universe

[broken spruce]

oh awesome LOL

whos the lady then

with the spikes

is she only relevant in the new marathon or was just in the old too

[sage lark]

Only new

[broken spruce]

cool

i also thought oni was a refernce to the old bungie game i need to stop thinking all of these are connected LMFAO

[sage lark]

Most of your questions will be answered through the videos dont worry

[broken spruce]

ahh okay ill just go watch em then

[visual lynx]

only MIDA, Traxus, and CyberAcme are mentioned in the classic trilogy, and only MIDA gets any significant mention; Traxus is only mentioned because of an infamous AI rampancy issue, and CyberAcme just has their logo on the terminals and nothing else

[floral ravine]

are the sphit or svit

going to be present in the game?

i see on the image it shows one of them

[broken spruce]

looks like the red robe guy is

in the cryo vault whatever map

[lethal gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-marathon-game-bungie-spht-gif-14822414678222590430

[floral ravine]

theres a damn prison in the sun

😭

they could use so much from the other games this is cool ngl

[broken spruce]

agreed

i rly hope they go HEAVY on the lore in this game bc god damn it would be fun to explore just from the different maps and what not

[floral ravine]

well isnt that why runners are being sent in

trying to figure out why theyre just gone

and what caused it

[broken spruce]

yeah

[floral ravine]

+loot

[broken spruce]

rly cool how each faction has its own ai

super cool too how at least nucaloric talks to u like u found this info better than anyone else has

like the same way destiny was like YOU are the reason we lived

didnt expect that from a game like this

[floral ravine]

but arent we different people?

i thought usec didnt know about the whole four secuirty officer stuff

[broken spruce]

oh i was talking about the new game

i think in the triology yeah you are a different person

[floral ravine]

OH

[broken spruce]

LOL

[floral ravine]

are you talking about the destiny game

or the quote from durandell

[broken spruce]

i was just mentioning how in the start of marathon (2026) the nucaloric ai is like wow YOU found us this data good job thank god for YOU

reminds me how in destiny its an mmo with a ton of guardians but YOU are the guy in the story

[floral ravine]

oh my gosh

i thought you were mentioning the quotew

from inifnty when durandell is like

you are destiny to the officer

😭

[broken spruce]

OH LMFAOO

marathon gonna have a destiny moment like when they were like "its your destiny"

except itll be like go runner, run a marathon and everyone will be liek THEY SAID THE THING OMG

i mean they do say marathon ALOT in this game already though lm ao

[quasi viper]

You are The Witness to your own Destiny, too.

[broken spruce]

no way...

the li ne

also do we klnow anything about like, humanity in this world outside tau ceti

does everyone just live normally on other planets?

[floral ravine]

from what w eknow yues

[orchid cosmos]

What if some people lived on a giant ring?

[silver stump]

I'm guessing by the bit with the guy being interviewed things outside of unexplored spaces are pretty normal, yeah?

[floral ravine]

in the first game it onenly says humans on on different planets

[broken spruce]

its just tau ceti specifically has resources and the big question of wtf is happening and what happened to the marathon ship there right

[floral ravine]

USEC just took the mars moon deimos to travel

[silver stump]

He was down bad to die in an exotic way.

[broken spruce]

ahh okay

they just took

a moon

yeah fuck usec wtf man

LOL

[floral ravine]

thats basically saying fuck everyone

[broken spruce]

yeah i guess so LMAO

[orchid cosmos]

Are they ran by gru?

[broken spruce]

fr

[floral ravine]

since its united earth

[broken spruce]

so i should be mida

is what ur saying

LOL

[floral ravine]

thats up to you

[orchid cosmos]

Glory to Mars

[silver stump]

If you want to be fuel.

[floral ravine]

MIDA is agaisnt all groups basically

[broken spruce]

terrorism woohoooo

[floral ravine]

im Traxus cause cool money and stuff

[green plume]

Not like Mars was using the moon for anything anyways. I don't get the big deal.

[orchid cosmos]

Until Durandell becomes a faction

[floral ravine]

and they have a lion

[broken spruce]

also alot of this stuff reminds me of the beyond light dlc in destiny 2

[floral ravine]

hes dead

[broken spruce]

i know its a seperate game but the aesthetics especially

[floral ravine]

like dead dead

[orchid cosmos]

What

[floral ravine]

itd be cool to see him brouight back

[green plume]

Durandal is not dead.

[silver stump]

Operate beyond scale IS a very strong tagline.

[orchid cosmos]

How tf is he dead

He has a VA

[floral ravine]

he lets himself be captured

i asssume he is dead if the alien race is still alive

[broken spruce]

i feel like they are gonna pull a last wish type thing in this game too where you figure out wtf is going on on tau ceti and then BOOM everyone has to deal with pve enemies forever

[floral ravine]

since he uses them

[silver stump]

Escape will make me God is a Durandal line, yeah?

[broken spruce]

its like damn we should NOT have looked into what happened to the marathon ship bc now you released this evil whatever

and thats gonna be how the story will progress onward

[floral ravine]

yes

he wanted to gain anicent tech because he thought he could become god

[green plume]

The big question about Durandal isn't if he's alive or not it's if he's merged with Thoth.

[orchid cosmos]

Playable Pfhor before playable elites

[broken spruce]

obv this isnt an mmo tho so the big story might just end and then the game itself continues at its core

with new maps or whatever

but idk that doesnt feel like a bungie thing to do

[floral ravine]

probably ngl

[silver stump]

Ahhh, I see.

[floral ravine]

or thoth is using him

[silver stump]

I watched MandaloreGaming's vids on the Marathons but not everything has stuck.

[orchid cosmos]

My goat would never be overtaken

[floral ravine]

he let himself be captured willingly

[orchid cosmos]

To be fair we’ve only seen 1 enemy race

[broken spruce]

fuckin traxxas man

[orchid cosmos]

Pfhor ain’t even confirmed for the game yet

[green plume]

Well if they become that new AI using the infinity symbol and are teleporting you through time to get the best possible outcome at Durandals chances to escape that could explain how seasons will work

[broken spruce]

they rly said "we want a piece of that cake for money too"

to be fair if they found a huge resource there i guess that makes sense

[orchid cosmos]

There’s jjaro tech there

[floral ravine]

hey

[broken spruce]

LOL

its okay i also hate uesc

[orchid cosmos]

Join Mida glory to Mars

[broken spruce]

just instead of wanting to do better monitary wise i now want to terrorize them

real LMAO

[green plume]

Mida worst faction.

[floral ravine]

mida and archne are close enough tho?

at least on the fan made test

death cult vs terroist cult

[broken spruce]

so are we the same guy doing all this for each faction in marathon (2026) ?

[floral ravine]

yes

[broken spruce]

ahh okay

i wonder where we even are

[green plume]

Nah one wants the power to rule and the other doesn't want immortality.

[orchid cosmos]

Mars is meant for us

[broken spruce]

this is why arachne is awesome

[green plume]

If Mars were meant for you you would have won a war.

[broken spruce]

honestly now looking at the big picture holy crap bungie did a good job not making a super specific "bad guy group"

its just what you believe in

like you could argue each faction is right in this situation

[silver stump]

They're all kind of shit, just which smells the best to ya.

[orchid cosmos]

Just remember durandell will bomb u

[broken spruce]

LOL

[green plume]

down with durandal.

[orchid cosmos]

Tbf if there’s a faction war

In game

Hopefully

Mida and death cult (based off the personality test) are the most similar

[green plume]

We're just pawns to durandal and his lust for power is even worse than MIDAs.

[orchid cosmos]

Escape did make him God

[broken spruce]

honestly i rly hope there is big political battles in the game

i mean there already is obv

[orchid cosmos]

Nah space racism

[broken spruce]

but like with the players

LOL

[green plume]

Nah he still can't achieve his main goal of surviving the end of the universe

[broken spruce]

so no one knows what the uesc is up too rn on tau ceti

[green plume]

Even with being able to reset time so far.

The same thing as the rest of us

[broken spruce]

which is a big reason why we are investigating for the factions

[green plume]

looking for answers.

[broken spruce]

right

[silver stump]

Sweet, delicious information.

[broken spruce]

i wonder who, or what is controlling them then

[silver stump]

UESC? Politicians.

[broken spruce]

oh yeah LOL

[orchid cosmos]

Clearly gru if their nicking moons

[green plume]

Sols government lol

[broken spruce]

it sjust like the real world woohjooo.......

[green plume]

Probably the same people controlling the other faction as well they're just all pushing for power

[broken spruce]

i didnt expect there to be storyu like missions in this game while u are playin an extraction shooter

makes alot more sense

thought all the story stuff would be put together by the players more than anything

and theorycrafting

[silver stump]

Makes wanting to trade in your meat suit for worm spun bits to do hyper dangerous work pretty understandable.

[broken spruce]

which there IS still alot of obviouslly but im glad there is actual story going on it makes the 40 dollar price tag more reasonable

[orchid cosmos]

I’m happy it’s not free, a game like this would be infested with hackers otherwise

[broken spruce]

for real

hackers and battle passes etc

im sure there will still be micro transactions but hopewfully just cosmetic

[silver stump]

Price does not preclude the presence of battle passes, unfortunately.

[broken spruce]

idk how a big dlc would be added to a live service game like this anyway tho

yeah

[orchid cosmos]

If the game is good I don’t mind paying, like Helldivers

[broken spruce]

if the battle passes are just cosmetic im more fine with it tho, if you need some to access maps or something early tho....

ill be rly sa d

[silver stump]

Helldivers does it quite well, yeah.

Always appreciate when it isn't attached to FOMO and you can do old passes.

[orchid cosmos]

Ultimately we just want a fun game

And the Defult skins in this game look really nice anyway

[silver stump]

Love the art direction of the game.

[green plume]

Yeah really unique art style, it's nice to see something different

[broken spruce]

same

i was worried the guns would look basic af comapred to everything else but they went hard on EVERYTHING

[orchid cosmos]

I can like it now the moral issues are out the way

[silver stump]

Glad they settled that.

[broken spruce]

so none of the current factions are working together outside using u in marathon (2026) right

[green plume]

right

[broken spruce]

bc nucal and traxxas having u do things at the same time

doesnt mean anything

[green plume]

well as far as we know

[broken spruce]

just means u are doing work for both

ahh okayh

[silver stump]

They use each other's products presumably, but probably nothing more than that.

[orchid cosmos]

Imagine a new continent just came to exist and everyone is fighting to secure it

[broken spruce]

i mean eventually all of them have a partition in your whatever its called

[broken spruce]

riight right

why didnt anyone go to tau ceti before tho

[silver stump]

The Race for Africa, Space Edition (2026)

[broken spruce]

did this whole thing happen RIGHT after uesc started their mission or

are they all just investiating now that something happened to them

[orchid cosmos]

It took about 90 years for a message to be sent from the og marathon games

[green plume]

so it took like 90 years for the distress signal to reach earth

[broken spruce]

ah okay

wait wait wait

is THIS situation with uesc and the ship and the aliens and the blah blah the one we play through in the triliogy??

[orchid cosmos]

No

[broken spruce]

ok i was confused for a sec

[green plume]

Don't the UESC send a ship earlier though anyways?

[broken spruce]

yeah right

thats what i thought

[orchid cosmos]

So og marathon 1 is tau ceti and the marathon invasion

Marathon 2 it’s told to us the colony is basically glassed

[broken spruce]

ahh

[visual lynx]

there is definitely at least one spht, and I strongly suspect that there is a war between the pfhor and the spht raging out there that will spill over to tau ceti eventually.

humanity don’t yet know about the pfhor in the new game so they are probably meant to be a surprise when they show up

[green plume]

yeah tc4 is gone, marathon is gone, but infinity seems to have changed that?

[broken spruce]

OH RIGHT

so the factions WE are helping dont know about the aliens yet

we only even know about them (the players) bc of the og marathon

[visual lynx]

yes

[broken spruce]

so thats whats going on

okay wow

so you are helping all the factions find out about the aliens that took over the marathon

[green plume]

and everything that's happened on tc4

[orchid cosmos]

I think we’re here to claim the jjaro tech (forerunners)

[broken spruce]

so does that mean the message they sent out in the first game is finally reaching others and thats why we are now investigating it

ohhh okay

[green plume]

I wonder how many Marathon maps we're going to get.

[broken spruce]

yeah thats what im curious about

i mean tau ceti is an entrire plantet

[green plume]

the thing is massive so it's gotta still have good loot on it

[broken spruce]

plus we could get ships and other planets if shit hits the fan with the factions and going into a war or something

[orchid cosmos]

The uesc is probably here officially to secure the planet after the distress signal, unofficially they’re definitely here for the jjaro tech underground

[broken spruce]

is jjaro the alien speciecs

speciwefcs

[orchid cosmos]

Jjaro are basically forerunners

[broken spruce]

whats a forerunner

[visual lynx]

maybe. leela said it would take 92 years at light speed, but the new game says tau ceti is only 12ly away, and yet a distress signal with much less information than leela sent arrived at about the time she said hers would arrive, so… mystery

[green plume]

The they/them Durandal AI probably going to want that too.

[broken spruce]

also is the logo of marathon suppoused to represent marathon going through the moon

[orchid cosmos]

Halo reference mb, they’re basically a species of ancient aliens with the most advanced tech that died out centuries ago

[broken spruce]

ohhhhh okay

so even older aliens then the ones we fight in the og marathon?

[orchid cosmos]

The companies might know about the jjaro tech but I highly doubt it and probably just think the uesc is hiding something big

[green plume]

If the pfhor didn't take the marathon and didn't nuke tc4 what you think the chances of leela being in the cryo archive is?

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, they were like gods in terms of how advanced their tech was

[broken spruce]

ohh okay

[tranquil basin]

They could terraform and manipulate gravity and fight cosmic horrors

[broken spruce]

so thats what we are going to discover...

[visual lynx]

the uesc send a slower than light ship right away after the first attack when the FTL comms relay goes dark. that will take almost a century to arrive. then 90-something years later a distress signal goes public and all the other factions race there with apparent FTL travel now, catching up at the same time the UESC arrive

[broken spruce]

and whatever faction gets their hands on it first are gonna be crazy

[visual lynx]

they probably did still take Leela since they took Tycho

[broken spruce]

wether for market, control, humanity or to kill everyone LOL

[tranquil basin]

Well the first marathon event still happened, I think they still disassembled her

[broken spruce]

oh yeah we might get leela on our paration

[orchid cosmos]

And tycho still killed all the colonists probably

[broken spruce]

and then work with her too

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, it does look like there’s jjaro tech somewhere on tau ceti, and we do know that the jjaro were there at some point

[green plume]

Don't they take tycho pre end of m1 though? And leela is supposed to stay on the marathon and be fixing it up then gets taken when the pfhor return a few years later

[orchid cosmos]

The bubble things are jjaro tech apparently

Or caused by

[visual lynx]

the glowing colored crystal Artifacts in the new game are probably the same thing as the colored crystals from PiD and are probably Jjaro creations

[broken spruce]

so the event we are looking into was not the same one that happened in the og marathon then right

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

[tranquil basin]

Kinda. I don’t know if the factions know everything about what happened in m1 either

[broken spruce]

ahh okay

[tranquil basin]

But there was more stuff than just the pfhor invasion, so it’s not the only thing

[green plume]

I don't even think the UESC know what happened in m1

[orchid cosmos]

The uesc might but that’s just speculation

[broken spruce]

i assumed in the og game, the situation happens and the character you play as and everyhting would get brought up in the new marathon

[visual lynx]

it appears that three different disasters befell the colony. one was the Pfhor attack. one was a disease that happened right after Marathon 2 and I think was caused by the Spht. the third was some gravitational anomaly that I think must be unearthed Jjaro tech.

[broken spruce]

ahh okay

so this could be a new situation all together or one of those

[orchid cosmos]

Weren’t all the colonists killed by tycho?

[broken spruce]

this all also is assuming this new game is connected timeline wise and stuff with the og ones

it hasnt been confirmed that they are directly tied story wise right

[orchid cosmos]

It 100% is

At least m1 and 2

[tranquil basin]

I mean it is, the question would be what timeline exactly this is bc infinity had 7

I think it’s fair to assume it’s timeline 7

[green plume]

there's only one time line that matters in infinity and it's 7

[tranquil basin]

Because 1-6 are failed timelines

And they kinda ceased to exist after infinity

[broken spruce]

oh RIGHT

[green plume]

but that 7th timeline leaves us spotty on info because the way it all works

[orchid cosmos]

Imagine we’re in failed timeline and that’s why we wipe

[broken spruce]

i forgot this game had time shinanigans mb

[tranquil basin]

That would actually be a sick idea ngl

[broken spruce]

i wonder if sekiguchi knows more about this than the other 5 factions

[green plume]

Failed timeline post Infinity i'd agree with you there. Be cool if that's how they explain the wipes.

[broken spruce]

wait okay what year in game does M1 take place in

and what year are we in now in 2026 marathon

bc i thought they were like 100s of years inbetween

[orchid cosmos]

Idk exact dates but they got it to match up

[orchid cosmos]

Only 90-100

[broken spruce]

ah that makes sense too if this is the same situation as m1 then

since thats how long it would of taken for the message to be sent out

[tranquil basin]

Marathon 1 is 2794, marathon 2 and infinity are 2811, this new one is 2893

[broken spruce]

okay cool

[tranquil basin]

Yeah that’s still lowkey a confusing point bc a light speed message wouldn’t actually take 82y from tau ceti

It would only take 12

[broken spruce]

yeah LOL

[tranquil basin]

I think that was just a goof and they should retcon it

[broken spruce]

maybe that is their standard there

[orchid cosmos]

I wouldn’t worry about infinity too much until druandell is fully shown

[broken spruce]

wait so did sekiguchi actually do anything in the previous games

bc in m1 you play as a battle roid or whatever right

[tranquil basin]

No they weren’t in the og lore

[tranquil basin]

Yes

[broken spruce]

didnt they make the battle roids

[orchid cosmos]

No

[broken spruce]

ohh

[orchid cosmos]

That was Leonard Strauss

[tranquil basin]

To our knowledge no. Idk if it ever specified who made them besides UESC

Strauss came a long time after battleroids were made

[broken spruce]

oh i see i see

[upbeat jackal]

Hmm. I think it's worthwhile to consider that the crystals were creations of the dreaming god, and aren't known to be Jjaro in origin—of course, the dreaming god could be remembering the original Jjaro artifacts and creating the crystals in their image, but I don't see why to think that.

[orchid cosmos]

I thought he did my bad

[broken spruce]

i was looking at this site

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[tranquil basin]

It would make sense if sekiguchi did have a hand in it

[broken spruce]

under the marathon arg section

thats what the site theorizes

[tranquil basin]

Bc they did neural implant stuff at that time

[broken spruce]

thats why i thought that

[tranquil basin]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/Sekiguchi_ARG_docs.html#:~:text=Since the development of the,from the "History of Battleroids"

[broken spruce]

yeah right there

[tranquil basin]

Yeah that’d be cool

[orchid cosmos]

They are far more crude than runners tho, they’re basically robo cop

[tranquil basin]

And stronger

[broken spruce]

if that is why that would be rly cool and explain who they are and why they are here

[orchid cosmos]

Tbf Strauss is meant to be a major part of the new game

[broken spruce]

their mission being "life enhancment"

"Note that Sekiguchi Genetics offers:

bespoke biomata (clones) and state-of-the-art neural sink transfer systems.
advanced implants and cybernetics that support all carbon forms.
groundbreaking genetic enhancement technologies. "

wait

"As a point of interest when you visit the Sekiguchi Genetics website you will get a green screen displayed at the start on which the following kanji will be briefly displayed. "

" Based on the source code the kanji cycle through the following descriptions:

Scanning face
Scanning blood temperature
Granting access
Enter"

this sounds JUST like the dac stuff

i guess thats not a surprise at all since thats just how cloning works in this universe tho

sorry idk how to highlight and link a website like you did so im quoting alot

"This is an email from Kaito Iwasaki to Mina Goto with a Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) also going to Sekiguchi Genetics Security.

So how does Yoshito Tamura have access to this email?

Mina Goto is responsible for sales to contracted customers other than the UESC. Yoshito Tamura is responsible for sales to the UESC. As far we know Yoshito Tamura does not work in Sekiguchi Genetics Security.

Kaito Iwasaki is Chief Strategy Officer at Sekiguchi Genetics (see Leadership information above).

Note that the Biomata purchase order No. 970224312 is the same as the one referenced in the Traxus Global Chat Room. "

so we do know that traxxas and and sekiguchi are working together

or at least know that sekiguchi has info about the sales that traxxas are doing with uesc

[broken spruce]

"One of the topics at the conference is the evolution of the Strauss-Mahihkan Act. Strauss may be reference to Bernhard Strauss from the original Marathon game. Mahihkan is the Cree word for wolf (grey wolf, timber wolf). "

sorry this is very broken up but on the arg section of the website if u keep scrolling down youll see all this email stuff

seems like u were right tho and sekiguchi has to do with strauss

or they are atleast major connected somehow

also lol whoops i typed the wrong thing and got to this site instead

https://marathon.bungie.org/

[languid hawk]

strauss he was number 1

[broken spruce]

can someone tell me wtf site im on

https://marathon.bungie.org/indexclassic1.html

im so confused

why is there morse code on the bottom

did bungie constantly place codes everywhere on their old websites

bc there are a ton of them on http://www.bungie.org/ as well

is this a fake bungie site bro am i tripping

[tranquil basin]

The bungie marathon story site is run by a fan who has followed marathon since the beginning

[broken spruce]

ohh okay cool

thanks

[turbid nebula]

i mean this is like calling a tank more crude than a pocket knife

[broken spruce]

oh okay i understand why that guy's head blew off now bc of the gravity stuff

[tranquil basin]

Make a katana

[tranquil basin]

Yeah he died

One of the killedest guys ever

[broken spruce]

jjaro tech is why that guy's head blew off and all that gravity stuff is goin on on dire marsh right

or at least what we are too assume

[tranquil basin]

Assuming it is jjaro tech yeah

[broken spruce]

ah okay cool

[tranquil basin]

In my mind it’s either jjaro tech, or a w’rkncacnter dormant underground like in pathways into darkness

[turbid nebula]

The battleroids are obviously sophisticated enough to pass as a normal human to anyone that isn't a superintelligence and they are also very effective

[broken spruce]

whoaaa

[tranquil basin]

But lots of ppl say it can’t be a wrk

[broken spruce]

well there was some other weird stuff going on

like the recording the guy left was all weird

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, some other recordings seemed to be out of sequence, which made me think maybe it’s a wrk because they specifically mess with time

[broken spruce]

ahh okay

yeah some weird time stuff goin on

[tranquil basin]

I mean jjaro tech I think can too but only when timelines have split already by a wrk? Idk the lore on that isn’t very defined

I think it would be cool though if there was a wrk and tau ceti is just a ticking time bomb

[broken spruce]

for real

would be rly cool if everything on tau ceti is repeating over and over

would explain why nothing has changed since the m1 incident

i rly like how the story is just ai finding out what aliens are and how to deal with them LOL

[visual lynx]

no, not in any timeline. in the M2 timeline they were all killed by the Pfhor and Tycho was there to observe it in detail. in the main Infinity timeline that seems to not have happened because the cyborgs who died with the colony in M2 were “converted to Pfhor slave tanks” in Infinity.

[visual lynx]

Bungie have said that everything that happened in the original games happened, but not everything that was said in the original games was true

[broken spruce]

ohh interesting

is this their way of ret conning

LMAO

[visual lynx]

2794

[visual lynx]

2893

[broken spruce]

ahh okay

would be funny if 2894 rolls around and the entire planet and everything's time gets warped back

[visual lynx]

in the new game lore it is said that they were connected to that project, but they weren’t even mentioned in the old games

[broken spruce]

ahh okay

sekiguchi is also why the pink cat is a thing too

whatever it is

kaal1

[visual lynx]

bungie.org is a fan site lightly condoned by Bungie

[broken spruce]

so it seems sekiguchi is directly resposnible for higherend biomata

[visual lynx]

we are b.org. you will be assimilated. your fan content will be added to our own. resistance is futile.

[green plume]

Were the Jjaro just like imprisoning the workingcenters anywhere they could until they figured out that throwing them into suns was the best idea?

[visual lynx]

it’s unclear. the one on Earth was just sitting there for millions of years on its own with no Jjaro intervention until it started awakening, and we don’t know what they did to that one two years later. Yrro and Pthia had been fleeing from all Wrkncacnter when they came to Lh’own, until one came to there. We don’t know of any other direct interactions.

[green plume]

Jjaro were on Earth and they were on TC4. We know their reason for earth and if the weird anomaly in the marsh map is workins would make sense for why they were there too

[broken spruce]

wait was kaal1 ever on earth or anything or just tau ceti IV?? bc u can see on the latest trailer for the server slam that kaal1 is on the screen unless that’s not esrth

[swift jackal]

+Are Runners new Batleroid models?
-Or are they just sekiguchi lies?

-# This message was sent from a Phor Network Terminal.
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[marsh plume]

????

That was an extremly cool webpage

[swift jackal]

+Everything runs on CyAc™
-Or nothing runs at all.

-# This message was sent from a Phor Network Terminal.
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[visual lynx]

“phor” ?

[glossy turret]

That's just how Tycho sends messages

[marsh plume]

Im just gonna go tug one out for marathon art direction

[swift jackal]

+Dont tug too hard
-Tug hard enough to skin it

-# This message was sent from a Phor Network Terminal.
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[marsh plume]

Well said..... well said.

[broken spruce]

do we know where leela is in the new game at all yet

if at all

i know the end screen of m2 said she was taken but..

[quasi viper]

So it seems the UESC aren't using robots, they're also shells

Interesting

[broken zinc]

It does seem that way, considering Rook

[broken spruce]

i hope we see leela in game bc damn a 15 world spanning ai would be

an insane challenge

[broken spruce]

was gonna mention that yeah

since rook you are literally becoming one of them (or well can)

blend in at least

[broken zinc]

Rook being a "prototype" shell with UESC printed all over it is certainly going to make it interesting, lore wise

It also makes one wonder what defines a "shell" and if sekiguchi isn't the only one making them, maybe sekgen just makes them biosynthetic, as opposed to full synthetic

[hot sinew]

Finally got unbanned

I missed the lore chat 😭

[green plume]

we don't know if there's multiple of the cats or if it's the same cat but it def came from the marathon.

[broken zinc]

Sekiguchi probably has competition somewhere in the market, their tech cannot be the only one around. UESC had the Mjolnir units as well for example

[green plume]

No matter what though, that cat is like 400+ years old.

[broken zinc]

Cat actually just a rampant ai now

Or just rampant

[quasi viper]

Shell in the way it's defined for us might specifically refer to SekGen products

[broken spruce]

what if cat.....was leela......

[broken zinc]

However Rook is a shell. That would imply Rook is a shell made for UESC by sekgen... Not wholly implausible

[quasi viper]

I'd say for that it very well could just be ease of conversation regarding the playable classes

[green plume]

nah the cat has a set of cat memories in it

[quasi viper]

But that does get me thinking

[broken spruce]

oh right

i thought we already knew these shells were made by sekiguchi

confirmed from the arg emails or wahtever

[broken zinc]

It's the lore chat, everything can be considered for wider speculation 🧐

[quasi viper]

Maybe shell is just the term for physical bodies that act as a vessel for digitized consciousness

Hrmm

SekGen just dominates the market for mercenaries specifically, they're willing to provide runners with them while knowing their allegiance could be with someone else once they're on Tau Ceti

[broken spruce]

ahh i see

forgot about that

[broken zinc]

Si, we do know that. What we were speculating is if "shell" is only for runners, ie biosynthetics created by sekgen, or a wider, broader term for synthetic bodies that a consciousness could be transferred into. If so it would (or could) stretch to uesc bots

[stable girder]

this just makes me want to shoot rooks in the back of the head even more

[broken spruce]

oh right i forgot they changed the name they were calling them that to shell

[broken zinc]

Lol

[broken spruce]

that would make sense

if thats the case then doesnt that mean the fungus virus whatever cna affect us as runners too

[quasi viper]

I usually call runners the players and shells the class they decide on

[broken zinc]

Yeah there was some speculation here or on YouTube that Rooks are actually setting a stage for uesc to be gathering data on runners, and that will play a role in the story later

[broken spruce]

is that whats happening to glitch right now?..

ahh

[broken zinc]

Runner is an occupation.
Shells are the bodies runners choose for their job

[green plume]

apparently they're not bots, they're uesc shells

[tranquil basin]

Actually I think ur right I think he did make them

[quasi viper]

Yep

I was going to send a screenshot that showed that, but no embeds

:P

[green plume]

yeah i saw a twitter post and was looking for it lol

[broken spruce]

also did we ever confirm for sure that this isnt an 8th timeline

since M3 had the 7

and ppl get the patch that says aleph 8 with the physical deluxe version of the game

[green plume]

bungie has a hardon for the number 7

[tranquil basin]

I assume they can’t be uploaded into, say, UESC bot type bodies for a couple reasons

1. If they could use bots then corps would just manufacture massively lethal robots that are way more effective than fragile shells

2. They might be doing a destiny exo thing where a human consciousness requires a host body similar to a human body to retain sanity

[broken spruce]

oh yeah

isnt the cryo archive the "7th" vault

lmfao

they rly like 7

[tranquil basin]

I mean it says 8 but idk why there would be a need to change it from timeline 7

[quasi viper]

Almost certain it's timeline 8. There's too many points of clear breakoff for it not to be, imo, unless theyre retconning a LOT of stuff. Which seems like a kick in the ribs to the originals

[broken zinc]

That's because 7 ate 9 and that makes it a badass

[tranquil basin]

I don’t see what wouldn’t line up with timeline 7

[broken spruce]

well didnt they say they nuked TC4

or wait no that was M2

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but that was way before the timelines would’ve branched off I think

Bc that was only a year after m1

[broken zinc]

Yeah if the theory holds, in my brain i would think uesc bots are more remotely triggered or controlled, but also we keep hearing or seeing signs of them "being possessed" which sure is specific word choice there.

[quasi viper]

Hrmmm, yeah. I think I'm remembering things pre-breakoff

[broken spruce]

what else would the patch mean tho

[tranquil basin]

I don’t think it’s ever specified exactly when the timelines separate, but I figure since in Marathon infinity you only do things within the M2 timeframe, it would probably be closer to 2811

[tranquil basin]

Idk, I mean it’s possible it’s 8, but idk why they would bother making an 8th timeline anyway considering not much past the end of infinity was even developed

[broken spruce]

i mean they could just be doing it to cover their asses

not that i think they need to

[quasi viper]

It'll all return to me post replaying M1-3

[green plume]

Timeline 7 leaves a lot open so there's no point in even making an 8

[broken spruce]

that makes sense

[tranquil basin]

Also timeline 7 collapsed the other timelines

[broken spruce]

maybe they just did it bc its a new game and its been so long

who kn ow

[tranquil basin]

So they’d have to come up with a new way an 8th timeline could have been created

Or retcon it entirely

[quasi viper]

Somehow the Working Cactus Center returned...

[green plume]

https://x.com/meloneslada/status/2024991243684773942

here's the screen shot of UESC bots being shells.

[broken spruce]

oh yeah and the comment that says "I think Bungie did mention they were "prototype shells", which would explain why it says "For trained personnel only"."

so they deffo gotta be

if uesc was real people i feel like we would have alot more info out of them anyway

of course not if they are being controlled i guess but just in general makes sense that they too are shells

especially if the fungus stuff is known to kill humans very fast

which nucaloric does state after you find the data

[green plume]

Most of them must be kinda basic but not quite rook basic but there is obviously a destroyer shell because it has the shield.

[broken spruce]

yeah im sure there are more shells that we dont have access to that they do have

[tranquil basin]

This would also make sense if they’re remote controlled bc in the alpha gameplay, eliminating a minor one said “UESC recruit eliminated”, but it wouldn’t make sense to call a robot a recruit if it was just a robot

[green plume]

yeah recruiting robots? what?

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, otherwise it would mean they have like a lower tier, recruit level ai in them and that’d be dumb if u could upload a better one instead

[broken spruce]

oh i didnt even realize the bags in the cryo archive literally says human on them

[broken zinc]

Oh that makes the situation a bit cooler lol

[broken spruce]

yeah it makes more sense that there arent actuall humans there

[quasi viper]

I wonder if rook is a prototype used for UESC recruits to see how they handle being digitized

[broken zinc]

Getting into the meat and potatoes of this game i can already tell will be a joy of 2026 for me

[broken spruce]

at least none alive/awake

https://youtu.be/w7qIHWjp3xE?si=fky_68ss7OyTwZO_

right

[broken zinc]

I love the idea of sweet little "uwu don't hurt me" rook is really just there to spy on runners lore wise lmao. Just because there's nothing actually good in this game and everyone ans everything is suspicious

[green plume]

yeah if all those bags are filled with people are they still alive?

[silver stump]

Do we know anything about what's going on in the audio clip of the log where they're investigating something and it speaks in their voice before brutalizing them?

[broken spruce]

the contaigion makes so much sense on why the uesc cant be humans

[broken spruce]

cryo sleep for sure

likely how they were stored in M1 too

[silver stump]

This one: https://youtube.com/shorts/wTHCJbE8ll8?si=XQWxhWT7rSfbKWlP

[visual lynx]

I have in recent years been noting that a 15-world network implies there are FTL networks and so possibly a galactic internet, so Leela could potentially just show up anywhere, whenever.

[broken spruce]

exactly yeah

would be an insane scenario to have her hijack your shell or something like that and talk to you out of no where in the end game area

i doubt something like that will happen, but anything is possible with all that

unless of course this is timeline 8

wait did the timeline split happen before or after m2

[visual lynx]

I think Seki was implicated in the Mjolnir series somewhere in an ARG

[tranquil basin]

Idk

[green plume]

I think leela is going to be in the cryo archive

[broken spruce]

i agree

so wait wait that means the uesc is also just here investigating

[broken zinc]

Yes which is fascinating and i hope we get more into that. I bet you any money that that's one of the reasons we've seen zero sekgen contracts... They're heavily lore based and potentially even linked to discovering the old mjolnirs

[broken spruce]

not here against their will

[tranquil basin]

In the ARG it says currently they’re the only ones, but they specifically thought traxus may try to reverse engineer the shells and weaveworm tech, and they were hesitant to even sell them

[silver stump]

Aww, darn.

[tranquil basin]

I think it’d be cool to see biomata from other corps too

It’d be a good way to introduce shells

[swift jackal]

-Of course theres competition.

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[broken spruce]

okay so uesc is in the cryo archive trying to stop us (uesc of course being government controlled) trying to keep us from getting the truth out

and or something bigger they are trying to hide

[tranquil basin]

And then if traxus was no longer reliant on sekiguchi then they could start being hostile to them

[broken spruce]

thats why they are so loaded up in the cryo archive

[green plume]

well yeah of course the UESC is there investigation whats going on it was the UESC Marathon that went to tc4

[broken spruce]

right yeah

[broken zinc]

Let the mega corps fight!!!!

[visual lynx]

the main split in timelines across M2 and Infinity seems to be whether or not Durandal took you with him at the end of M1, so some branches stem back to 2794

[visual lynx]

can you link to a picture of this patch?

[broken spruce]

https://youtu.be/OMAZgil160A?si=XTcy48Xwpe2O22E4

skip to 1:31

[green plume]

so it means absolute infinity?

[broken spruce]

also this video was rly good https://youtu.be/w7qIHWjp3xE?si=ofuwcug3VefuYfsv

about cryo archive

it explains alot and now i REALLY think at LEAST leela will be in there

or durandal

[quasi viper]

Arachne...shell.. need..

[green plume]

yeah give us 4 arms

[quasi viper]

#no

Just sauce and aura

[green plume]

4 arms is aura.

look at Charter..

[visual lynx]

hmm, I'm not convinced that that's an 8 and not a sidewise ∞, especially since the aleph has the null subscript already so it's clearly not supposed to be aleph_8

[visual lynx]

aleph null is the first cardinal infinity, the cardinality of the natural numbers

that's why the Marathon Open Source project is called Aleph One, because it's "the next after Infinity"

[broken spruce]

ohh that could make sense as well

[broken spruce]

its super cool the relation between marathon and path into darkness kinda sounds like whats happening in this new game

but instead of the us government its uesc of course

[tranquil basin]

Oh good point. Do we know if the nuking of tau ceti a year later happened in either case?

[broken spruce]

also wow that easter egg with the map in M1 is crazy

[visual lynx]

it seems not to have happened in the timelines where Durandal did not take the SO, because in those timelines Tycho says that the other cyborgs (who died with the rest of the colony in the M2 timeline when it got nuked to bedrock) were instead "converted to Pfhor slave tanks" like the SO himself apparently was, although not all of them survived that.

[tranquil basin]

Oh gotcha

[broken spruce]

wait we never knew what happened to strauss??

[green plume]

nope

[broken spruce]

WAIT

[tranquil basin]

Well Durandal says he died

[broken spruce]

doesnt that mean he COULD have much more to do with sekiguchi

[tranquil basin]

Specifically before he could torture him

[broken spruce]

right

well he had you go check the alien ship

with the enslaved humans

[tranquil basin]

But Bungie seems to imply some stuff may be lies

[broken spruce]

i seeee

[tranquil basin]

Which is lowkey just a cop out to retcon stuff but yknow

[broken spruce]

LOL

i wonder if this means we will find out more about him too then

[green plume]

I hear there's going to be some good lore finds about him in game

[broken spruce]

imagine hes working for the uesc lol

oh wait

im stupid