📚marathon-lore-discussion

[primal surge]

and at that point the equinaminity would've been like 80 years into the flight already, that does heavily imply FTL capabilities

[opaque maple]

maybe i was looking too deep

[red meadow]

11.9 lightyears in 4 years is stupid fast

[primal surge]

that is extremely interesting

[opaque maple]

why does it say specifically goliath tho

[primal surge]

because bungie likes their funny names

[broken roost]

Yeah it’s the code name for marathon

[swift venture]

[keen zealot]

Do you guys reckon Durandal, Leela or Tycho will make an appearance in the game or will it just be backgound messages and logs? Durandal is proably still around in this timeline but he did leave I think so hard to tell. Would be cool if there was a quest giver who was one of the UESC AIs

[primal surge]

Did not know that, but makes sense for them to use the name in APIs in that case

[broken roost]

I think the one for destiny was code name:tiger

[primal surge]

Hope not, maybe, the most likely

[keen zealot]

Mixed feelings haha

[half parcel]

Leela is most likely very gone, barring any "we found a backup of her in this secret server" shenanigans.

[opaque maple]

i was thinking its the cat but idk the cat can also be a random open world creature

[primal surge]

Leela is alive, she was just kidnapped by the pfhor for a while

[half parcel]

Durandal is everywhere...

[keen zealot]

It will be interesting how they do their story telling in this considering it will probably be mostly instanced based pvpve

[opaque maple]

does bungie even do random open world creatures, maybe it is the cat after all

[primal surge]

Well, as alive as an AI can be

[misty goblet]

Back in CE, kiiinda
But they were taken out long before release

[broken roost]

My thinking would be that durandal would maybe help with how we get into certain places seeing what his role was before

[primal surge]

Destiny has some, pretty rare tho

[keen zealot]

The cat remembers it's past memories so it's possible the cat is linked the the person controlling the runner in the trailer. That's why it rubs up to it and sits down with it.

[opaque maple]

hey, maybe if we get 10,000 people in this discord we can get another hint

[primal surge]

This discord has 24k people in it

[ivory saffron]

Almost 26k now

[vernal jolt]

So i know nothing about marathon lore. Are the original games still canon or is it a total reboot

[opaque maple]

oh ok nvm im seeing whos online

[keen zealot]

1 & 2 probably are, infinity is another story hahaha

[primal surge]

I would link the same link I've posted 3 times today, but I left my PC already, so. Not reboot, same world, different story

[half parcel]

"DAMSEL IN DISTRESS. Captured and partially-disassembled human-coded AI trapped on alien homeworld seeks succor from a tall, dark and handsome cyborg with big guns. Let my rescue be the basis of a lasting relationship." hehehe

[vernal jolt]

Why's infinity the odd one out?

[keen zealot]

I got you https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[primal surge]

Because timey wimey stuff

[keen zealot]

What Tappi said

[dull ocean]

There should be a pinned message in this chat that's
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/ this link

[violet monolith]

Heya i just woke up, anything new i should know about?

[primal surge]

day hours minutes

[opaque maple]

our players are all robots and we are st uck in containment chamber

[half parcel]

The W'rkncacnter is out and imposing tariffs on all parts of the universe.

[misty goblet]

dream mind tarrifs

[keen zealot]

TauCeti got hit heard, 145% I heard

[ashen edge]

I like to think I have a pretty good on a lot of Marathons lore, but if someone could clarify one thing for me:
After Marathon 1, did Durandal leave the Marathon at Tau Ceti or did he bring it with him?

[violet monolith]

Durandal is the ai???

[primal surge]

Marathon was left on TC, Durandal stole a pfhor ship that he renamed to the Boomer and went on his way to do M2

[vernal jolt]

Ah so it's time splitters 2

[half parcel]

Yes, he left on the Pfhor ship - read the final screen from M1

[keen zealot]

He leaves in a Pfhor ship doesn't he?

[opaque maple]

it is the cat

[primal surge]

Durandal is one of the AIs in the series

[ashen edge]

Ah I see, thank you. It's been a while since I've played M1 so I wasn't sure

[keen zealot]

Calling the ship Boomer was an unreal move

[violet monolith]

My cousin explained the lore very simply to me in a yap sesh so i understand the very basics

[sacred wyvern]

holy shit im just now catching up to all the lore in the first arg

[keen zealot]

Anyone seen MandaloreGaming's Marathon videos? They are so good

[half parcel]

You love to kill Pfhor and flip switches - all else is elaborate background noise to you.

[ashen bear]

Since this game takes place a bit after marathon 2, do you guys think it’ll divert into its own separate timeline or somehow link to one of the existing ones from infinity?

[primal surge]

You love flipping switches? I don't believe you

[opaque maple]

ok guys can we analysize the dac we got in our dms now

[keen zealot]

Who knows, they can do anything they want really which is nice

[half parcel]

Sorry... punching switches.

[violet monolith]

My issue with ARGs and puzzles is I’m really really good at doing exactly what I’m told but really bad at knowing what to do without instructions

[primal surge]

Still don't believe you, colony ship exists

[keen zealot]

For sale cheap

[ashen bear]

That’s true, it’s just fun to speculate. I’m interested to see how the narrative can get pushed forward in an extraction shooter, and if it has any implications for previous marathon games or if it’ll take an entirely new direction

[brazen geode]

Infinity seems to tackle timelines outside of Marathon 2.

[dull ocean]

My guess is it'll be set in the timeline where Thoth and Durandal merge and the W'rk doesn't wake up, infinity most likely won't be referenced much at all since most of it took place in timelines that these characters wouldn't even know existed

[primal surge]

I don't think it's gonna really dive into the timeline stuff, the game feels much more grounded than that

[opaque maple]

why cant we save the image we got in dms

[primal surge]

Eh, I think it'll sidestep infinity completely and just continue where 2 left off

[ashen bear]

Yeah, I think it’ll be pretty self contained, I just didn’t know if they wanted to try something with those fringe timelines explored in infinity or if they wanted to keep things in line with the first 2 games

[brazen geode]

^^^

[quartz harbor]

If I don’t see wolves on mars I’m gonna throw my hands up in distain

[dull ocean]

I hope not but that's possible

[elder oasis]

yea durandal sending all the alien info back to humanity

[opaque maple]

how do we upgrade the dac through action, what are we supposed to do

[elder oasis]

these new runners prob got some pfhor genes in em

[primal surge]

I mean why not, it's the timeline where durandal still exists, M2 epilogue is what happens and you don't need to deal with the cosmic can of worms that is the W'rkncacnter

[elder oasis]

these worms are green for a reason

[dull ocean]

I just feel like completely sidestepping the most interesting game in the series is a bit bleh

[opaque maple]

im thinking the dac is d2 raid type shit

[primal surge]

Ehh, it's interesting sure, but I wouldn't call it the most interesting, and also it's a story almost entirely self contained with our pal 54 and you

[dull ocean]

The dac has literally nothing to do with the lore of the game and most likely will not be used again

[ashen bear]

I also wonder how much of a role we as individual players will play in advancing the narrative. Will it happen in the background or will we interact with it more directly?

I’m hoping that the story is heavily driven by player actions and that the background lore is there for the people who are really invested. It would be a shame to lose that in favor of purely PvP focus

[opaque maple]

how come the newer players are getting it in there dms too

[primal surge]

Even if it were to set place in the 7th timeline, it's not like it would affect the numarathon in any way

[dull ocean]

Also I feel like it'd be really dumb if the original m2 timeline never got W'rkd because then there was no reason for infinity to happen at all yk?

[primal surge]

I mean it didn't, the epilogue happens, infinity could just be cyborg rampancy hallucinations, or the events start because 54 starts to go rampant and hops timelines accidentally

[opaque maple]

dude theres guys code busting the dac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2dMpBWfooo

[dull ocean]

Like it retroactively makes the story of infinity a lot worse if mjolnerd could have just done nothing and been fine imo.

[solemn orchid]

Question does anybody actually know what a.r.g stands for sorry dumb question

[brazen geode]

Alternate Reality Game

[primal surge]

Alternate reality game

[solemn orchid]

Ok and there were a couple before the most recent correct ? With regard to marathon

[brazen geode]

a game, usually a mystery or a puzzle, that incorporates real-life elements or information

[primal surge]

There was one in 2023

[solemn orchid]

Ok thank you I really appreciate it

[agile jacinth]

Bungie has done quite a few ARGs for their games over the years. Halo 2, 3 and Destiny 1 all had ARGs.

[primal surge]

Ye

[novel zephyr]

I’m gonna try and play Destiny 2 PvP. Wish me luck everyone!

[brazen geode]

Two is where Wrck' wasn't unleashed or at least was pacified without our input since Jjaro were called quickly enough. The ending screen is very much a closure.

[dull ocean]

And halo 1 with the Cortana letters

[brazen geode]

but it would be great if the new game would include similarly weird stuff to Infinity, maybe referencing it

I'm not the expert on the lore in any way, veeeeeeery far from it.

[primal surge]

No little timmy don't go into D2 PvP

[agile jacinth]

Oh neat, I didn’t know about those. Cool that it was referenced again in Halo 3.

[leaden hedge]

Freakncacntr

[silk kestrel]

poor decision

[acoustic silo]

This is great. Now you all have to play the classic trilogy!!!

[novel zephyr]

yep immediately regretted it

[fallen hollow]

All UESC terminal logs have been successfully archived. Of particular note is the "weapons" section which contains schematics and descriptions of various arms that will be available to us in Marathon.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/somewhere-in-the-heavens/uesc/terminal#h.jmzf287snqem

[silk kestrel]

biggest problem is you can learn to play destiny by play campaigns and whatever other NORMAL pve modes, then go into pvp and its like you're playing a different game entirely

[hasty osprey]

yeah time to get good and lock in

[novel zephyr]

Exactly. Too much going on at any moment. Half the time I don't even know how I died

[half parcel]

After the end of M:Inf, the timeline is basically post-M2, but without the unleashed W'rkncacnter (it's held at bay by the Jjaro station you activated)... so this could be a post M:Inf, where there's no god-level chaos, and Lh'owan still exists...

[modest jackal]

what is traxus all about what's their story? I know UESC Mida and Sekiguchi Genetics but I don't know anything about Traxus

[misty goblet]

Iirc wasnt the bees one halo 2?

[noble iris]

Ye

[open ore]

Think mining and infrastructure. As well as the company that builds ships and things

[strong gazelle]

Free reminder for folks who want to catch up on the lore: the original trilogy is free on Steam via an agreement between Aleph One and Bungie

[half parcel]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Traxus_IV

It's a brief mention of an AI in M1. Now it seems to be getting fleshed out into a whole corporation - who likely created the AI and named it after their company...

Alternatively, the AI dismantling failed, and the company now is the AI running the show... who knows.

[crude estuary]

is marathon's playtest gonna be free to all who sign up?

[half parcel]

yes (no?) how would we know? We don't even know if there is an open playtest yet...

[crude estuary]

i mean alpha idk

[half parcel]

same answer

[crude estuary]

pre alpha is already going on, soo..

[half parcel]

right, but that doesn't imply it'll be "open" later

[oak obsidian]

I would hope there wouldn't be a paywall for an alpha test haha

[primal surge]

Post inf timeline also has durandal mixed with thoth

[celest island]

So guys, in marathon the people living in mars and mida, are they peope from earth that moved there long ago or are they mar natives?

[simple garden]

Colonized

Think of it like the Destiny Golden Age without space magic

[celest island]

I dont know anything about destiny lol

So are the martian very human looking or do they look alien?

[open ore]

Still human

[half parcel]

I think the most important question here is: did the potatoanuses survive?

[simple garden]

Humanity starts on earth and colonizes other planets. So it’s all normal people and exos (human mind in robot body)

[half parcel]

Potatoani?

[celest island]

Ahh i see. Thank you.

[idle crow]

Probably the Best Marathon Lore archive for now
https://marathon.karnemir.com/root

[honest pulsar]

Karnemir's archive is good, but I wouldn't change Hamish's for any other

[idle crow]

who's that ?

[lone sparrow]

https://marathon.bungie.org/

[honest pulsar]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[twilit snow]

They're remaking the games too wow

[past gull]

nuMIDA is an AI, I'm pretty sure.

[half parcel]

Where'd you see nuMIDA?

[past gull]

nuMIDA as a differentiation from the old MIDA from classic Marathon

[half parcel]

Ah, so you're saying it's a resistance group run by an AI?

Maybe "rebooted" Traxus-IV or something?

[past gull]

yeah, it's a different entity in my opinion, or perhaps just an AI pretending to be the original MIDA. the banned on the twitter page says 'I am Id'

[dull ocean]

????

[half parcel]

It would make sense for it to be AI, given the "performative oppression" stuff. Just another variable in maintaining the illusion of freedom for colonists, while still actually being very much controlled.

[past gull]

combined with a snippet of text found in one of the ads on traxus.global, it leads me to believe that a meta-stable AI began some kind of deep introspection

psychological introspection, of course.

[honest pulsar]

Oh of course, y'all are doing a great job with the site!

[past gull]

I also believe that whatever we're building up to right now with the ARG will actually push the game's narrative in motion. we are likely unknowingly working for a rampant AI and at some point we are going to cause a serious crisis. the situation so far doesn't seem to warrant anything like we've seen in the trailers

[idle crow]

TY

[chrome cosmos]

I wonder if the AI is the security officer

[swift mesa]

The new Marathon ship shown in the trailer honestly looks really strange. If we assume that the moon it's in is Deimos, then it's very odd that the UESC would build a ship inside a shattered celestial body with giant debris flying around and then connect the ship to it for some reason. But that also doesn’t make sense, because in real life, Deimos isn’t perfectly spherical, so it doesn’t match up.

[chrome cosmos]

Rampant AI pilot

[swift mesa]

Maybe the moon is actually one of Tau Ceti IV's moons that the Marathon crashed into?

[paper forge]

Was the Marathon not built into Deimos?

like the moon was part of the ship?

[lime ravine]

the marathon was built into deimos

[drowsy axle]

What’s marathon someone explain I come from bungie website

[half parcel]

Have you not seen the Purchas Order? They bought runner bots ...

[quaint path]

you're ALLLL autism creatures

[lime ravine]

read ur own username bro you too

[quaint path]

loud and proud

[quaint path]

extraction=-osorosirms irmsdmshooter eayea

[half parcel]

pretty sure it's just because it nicely makes the negative space of the new Marathon logo... which is admittedly pretty cool.

[past gull]

sure, but in the trailers there seems to be an atmosphere of crisis, like there's an active, persistent struggle going on.

[quaint path]

bleh bleh bleh

[half parcel]

MIDA is flipping the bird to the man...

[primal surge]

Yes, and?

[quaint path]

i respect it bleh bleh bleh

[open ore]

Because we've sent more people to check in on the colony on Tau Ceti that has lost communications. The different Corps are fighting for ownership essentially for what to do with the destroyed colony

[half parcel]

EEE's just jelly.

[safe swan]

Should I play the older games or can I just read the lore bits somewhere?

[quaint path]

ermmm thats EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEvil burg to you

[swift mesa]

yeah, it was, it's just that the design of it doesn't make sense to me, is you look at the new trailer, first of all for some reason Deimos is round but irl it's not and there are literally flying debris of if it flying near the ship

[half parcel]

Pronoun noted.

[primal surge]

You should, but all terminal entries are available online

[open ore]

The flying debris makes sense to me especially if this is taking place after M1. Marathon would have definitely been dealt some heavy blows

[past gull]

actually, here's my pitch: MIDA is a rampant AI utilising unknowing users/runners to cause some kind of crisis - it's trying to gain control of battleroids kept somewhere around wherever we're going to be dropping for matches (Tau Ceti?). one of them is what kills the runner in the teaser. the narrative is going to be around containing the threat of MIDA by extracting its data and making money from it. you'll be able to pledge allegiance to UESC/Traxus/Sekiguchi/MIDA, too (which might be shown by the colour of your glowing eyes).

[hearty talon]

The weapon marathon posted today…is that the twin sawed off shottys?

[half parcel]

my theory is that they just kept adding onto it post-M1 - the remnants of the moon are just legacy infrastructure at this point.

[primal surge]

Ehh, doubt battleroids will be a major part of the game, they might exist but they're restricted tech and also possibly outdated

[past gull]

that's the point, they are restricted and deadly and that's why MIDA wants to gain control of them. might be outdated, sure, but there might be a load of them down there

[primal surge]

Also there were only 9 roids originally on TC

[primal surge]

They're restricted, but they're also not as special as 54 is, the pfhor did take 9 of them down

We might see the 9, and they might very well be a retrieval target, but I doubt they'll be a major plot point. The biomata seem a lot more advanced than the battleroids

[dull moss]

I don't care if MIDA is a rampant AI or a guerilla faction, I'll be dead before I pledge my allegiance to a government or a corporation

[past gull]

they don't need to be special. granted, bungie would have to say that decommissioned battleroids were all actually at least half-fine, but they'd only make for the PvE element anyway

[primal surge]

New MIDA being an AI I can totally see though

[primal surge]

I think we have enough potential for PvE enemies with pfhor remnants and whatever other atrocities UESC has stashed on the planet

[balmy mantle]

Idk about you guys, but I'll be over here working for W'rkncacnter

[primal surge]

Reanimated battleroid would be an interesting add, but it shouldn't be an everyday enemy, maybe some special event or something, who knows

[primal surge]

Ah, so a guardian

[minor fossil]

The traveler being a W'rkncacnter is a nice theory rabbit hole I went through years ago. Very interesting stuff.

[primal surge]

It's the one brainpoison theory I believe no matter what

[wanton ridge]

anybody else hear about John Marathon?????? I heard he started getting into the Orphan Chucking business. Fallen angel . . . .. . But who's gonna fight that guy anyways. He's John Marathon

[half parcel]

they do blend in well with human populations, so if there are humans, they could be among them and we'd never know...

In fact, we know there were some on Tau Ceti at the end of M1...

catching up - I see you mentioned that already 😛

[half parcel]

enjoy your swim on the sun.

[half parcel]

If anything, the traveler would be Yrro or similar, and "the darkness" would be W'rkncacnter...
https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Yrro

[slim tundra]

Been deep diving marathon lore for a couple years now. Played through the trilogy. So happy that this game is taking place alongside the lore we already know, rather than just reinventing or rewriting the timelines

[elder pumice]

Hear me out..what if Randal the Vandap behind all this

[mighty dust]

Did you guys decode the flashing discord icon yet?

[past gull]

?

[empty veldt]

Every so often the server icon will flash four letters X I P E

[past gull]

oh yeah, it was part of the ARG

[empty veldt]

Ah

[drowsy axle]

Buddy wth is that supposed to mean

[quaint path]

[primal surge]

But see, that's where you're wrong, the darkness wants order, it wants everything to cease (at least the witnesses version) it wants the end of life and chaos. But the traveller? The traveller spreads life. It reverses entropy, increasing the chaos of the universe. It's a literal agent of chaos.

It was never about good or evil. It's just opposing viewpoints

Now excuse me, I need to check myself in at the asylum

[opaque maple]

anyone know are the extra AI names? apart from the main 3

[primal surge]

There is Trax4 from pre marathon mars

[remote bronze]

what other AI? i only know of the four: leela, durandal, tycho, and thoth

[opaque maple]

im seeing 8 other colony ai

[remote bronze]

i doubt they're relevant

[primal surge]

Apart from that it's manly theories (forgot thoth lmao)

The colony AI only have codenames, not real names yet, though have heard theories that one is Joyeuse, which would track

[primal surge]

I think they will be highly relevant, because AI and in the colony, but will have to see

[opaque maple]

im viewing a website but its only giving me the first 2 letters, Ar_ Ba_ Da_ Ga_ Ic_ Jo_ Li_ Na_

[remote bronze]

oh uh idk

[primal surge]

MIDA also likes to reference them in their imagery as the 8 eyes. 8 eyes, 8 AIs, all UESC owned

[primal surge]

Yeah, that's all that's known of them so far afaik

Joyeuse would work as Durandals terrestrial counterpart with the naming scheme

[upbeat jackal]

We "know" two of them are named Arthur and Icarus.

[primal surge]

Those would fit well, true

[upbeat jackal]

As well, the AI on the Equanimity is named Virgil.

[primal surge]

Oh, I do not like the connotations of that

[mighty dust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xipe_Totec

[minor fossil]

Not to be pessimistic, but how much lore and plot can you really explore and develop in... an extraction shooter? A shooter genre that is supposed to be basically a repetitive arcade?

[remote bronze]

worth noting: at 0:46 in the reveal trailer a S'pht compiler is shown

[remote bronze]

look at helldivers 2 or GTFO
they're both extraction shooters; they work differently but are the same genre and both have story and lore

[minor fossil]

So the idea here is that Bungie will develop the story slowly and the game will progressively change to reflect it?

[primal surge]

And bungie is obsessed with writing stories and developing worlds. Most of it is unlikely to be shouted at you but there will definitely be a bunch of hidden reading littered around

[minor fossil]

I see people online wishing for a story mode, but I don't see that happening

[molten drift]

There's probably going to be:

• terminals with lore you find in map
• item descriptions with lore
• unlockable lore in the menu
• environmental storytelling
• quests/missions with story
• an evolving story with frequent updates that change certain aspects of the game
• seasonal updates which bring big story beats

[primal surge]

Yeah, that is unlikely, but there will doubtless be stories to be heard in the game

[winter hill]

If anyone want a comprehensive overview of the story of marathon(1994) - then i found this video going over most of the lore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22RdxGNl-wA

[ashen dagger]

TY!

[winter hill]

Additional lore videos which i found personally to be very good were HiddenXperia's lore video's. He goes over the other two games as well (marathon: Durandal and Marathon: infinity)

[ashen dagger]

Thanks @winter hill been doing some random reading when i have time but needed something for the car

[errant tundra]

Try Mandalore's Marathon videos as well, I think they cover small aspects of the lore and some theories one can believe in really well too

[winter hill]

Np! Have fun runner !

[ashen dagger]

I love Mandalore and will def check those out but I thought those were more actual reviews of the game. Was def gonna peep those after I got my head around the major ideas of the game

[winter hill]

THey are very good as well!

[errant tundra]

They do count as reviews, but have you truly reviewed a game if you haven't interacted with its story?

[ashen dagger]

Yeah i agree, I just meant I havent played them yet so I wanted to interact with the world a bit before jumping into talking about gameplay, level design, etc.

and Im sure he covers tons of lore I just didnt know from the thumbnail so its been sitting in my Watch Later

[errant tundra]

He dabbles just a bit in the levels themselves but never goes too in-depth
In a way, it more so explores how the gameplay correlates with the lore of the game

well, with few exceptions

[bold lark]

It may be better that way, i dont think that anything that was cool in destiny lore have turned out good when they actually tried to make a traditional story out of it.

[torn widget]

I feel like watching both mandalore and Xperia videos will give you a good overview of the lore.

[ashen dagger]

I have been, just needed something for the car

[winter hill]

❤️

[modern bronze]

If fortnite of all things can manage to have a story(however loose it may be), I am sure Marathon, a spin off of a franchise that told a rich story via data terminal, can manage something.

Imo this is likely what we get: season/update overarching narrative where players progress via objectives in the game(alluded to with the vidoc earlier).

Narrative that is found via scanables/collectibles/terminals. This would be the classic marathon/ destiny grimoire, etc which tells more of the deep lore and bigger picture.(Subnautica also is a good example of this)

There might also be some pve style sidequests and/or cutscenes. As well as some narrative told over comms.(could be missions players are sent on beyond the normal extraction gameplay loop.)

I second the Mandalore videos! While they are not explicitly lore focused, they are really well rounded and show what Marathon was, and explain the narrative in a way that narrative only videos might miss(since Mandalore goes into other aspects like gameplay mechanics).

I never really thought much of the series, but after watching his videos I really came away seeing how cool the games were, particularly for their time. It hypes me on the potential this spin off can have.

[brave aurora]

The only space magic we're going to get is the one that is contained in a star and when unleashed undoes reality, as if the universe forgot its own rules. And I like that.

[lone sparrow]

If anything I think some of the abilities or gear we get access to might seem like magic just because it's so sci-fi, but true magic is very unlikely yeah. I don't think we'll be slinging nova bombs or anything.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Clarke

[brave aurora]

Word

[ashen dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-bungie-marathon-cat-nu-marathon-new-marathon-bungie-gif-3269019121538373567

[half parcel]

One god's chaos is another's order; but thematically, the W'rkncacnter brought the universe into chaotic "darkness" while Yrro supported the continuation of life.

[half parcel]

This is not canon, but...
https://simplici7y.com/items/an-ai-called-wanda/

[half parcel]

and it looks damn classic.

[half parcel]

this. Marathon itself was not overly explicit about the most intriguing bits of the story - you had to read between the lines. I think there's plenty of room for this in an extraction shooter - especially if they keep doing ARG stuff.

[half parcel]

Terminals do seem likely (though hopefully they are logged for reading outside gameplay):
Terminal maybe? https://youtu.be/ckI_m8bbXfw?si=jlN-jiJ86X4JlrRD&t=40
Or maybe that's just a new shield recharger.

[molten drift]

I was thinking this earlier. I would still like Bungie to make a Marathon traditional single player campaign in the future, but I think this might be the best format for the Marathon story in general. Everything that was cool and great about the OG Marathon games could not be forced into a cutscene format. Marathon was always about the dialogue, reading large texts of lore/story. The deep thoughts and contemplative nature of the story wind up making Marathon's story suited more to a book than a movie, if you want to think about things in that way

[solemn wadi]

As someone VERY new to the series I think a remake of the first 3 games would be amazing to get new players interested in Marathon

[molten drift]

For sure. And if anything I believe this is a terminal. I'm hoping the shield recharger resembles its original design in some way, although we might not even get shields as biomata. I wonder how the shields are going to be explained in the lore, because I'm not sure if we ever got an answer in the OG games. Do we think they're energy-based shields similar to Halo or something else?

[wicked estuary]

This new marathon game should have been a single-player game from the beginning.

[half parcel]

ngl, many of the levels in Marathon actually felt a LOT like an extraction shooter in many ways. It's not the same, but still feels somewhat fitting.

[wicked estuary]

To an extent, sure.

Can someone explain to me what this whole “Cat and Worm” team thing is?
(Before anyone says anything, I know the cat and worm are both from the trailers)

[molten drift]

That's about all there is to it lol

[rose wedge]

just teams the discord made up for the memes

[lost fractal]

Yeah, it’s just people filling the time before the gameplay reveal

[wicked estuary]

Sounds good

[brave aurora]

Glad it's quieter in here

[wicked estuary]

Same

[brave aurora]

I don't know why, but I just remembered that game we all thought was Marathon at the PS reveal, Metal Eden, dropped a demo this week. That looked fun

[half parcel]

It is

[austere prawn]

Yo theres a contracts channel open now

[wicked estuary]

I saw that also. I need to rewatch the gameplay video of it.

Can someone also explain to me what this card I got from the server bot is for?

[brave aurora]

It's a "dac", I don't think we really know if there is more use for it now after the Arg steps last week/weekend

[half parcel]

That's your DAC. upload it at the Traxus.global site.

[brave aurora]

oh, you can still upload it?

[half parcel]

And don't share it

[brave aurora]

definitely don't print it out and sleep with it under your pillow

[haughty locust]

What does uploading the dac do

[brave aurora]

it makes you feel things, the work is mysterious and important

[half parcel]

At this point, it boosts morale of Bungie employees

[molten drift]

The bot just gave me another DAC and it's different from my original one

[half parcel]

Consider yourself double-DAC'd

[silent tapir]

so for contacts how do we do them if the commands dont exist for them like accuse-spy etc doesnt exist

[half parcel]

Originally it bumped up a number that eventually unlocked content. That threshold is now met, and it's just for funsies at this point.

[half parcel]

You can't anymore

[silent tapir]

so they were active for less than a week??

[molten drift]

Yes, but I think only because so many people were on and the bot broke. If they can fix it or find a work around I'm sure they'll eventually come back

[misty goblet]

marathon wars when

[misty goblet]

It gave me the same one pff

I ended up using my old DAC

[heady tendon]

Marathon 3: ODST 🙏

[misty goblet]

marathon combat evolved

[heady tendon]

Marathon: Reach

[night heath]

/contract Oi Oi Oi

[random condor]

Hi, can someone give me a really short summary of how marathon ties in to the timeline and lore of the old games?

[brave aurora]

considering we haven't played the game, not sure we really can, but it'll be exciting to see how it does!

[wicked estuary]

no one really knows yet.

[exotic herald]

No one knows

[random condor]

Ah okay I see, were there any bits or pieces in the ARG that could hint towards something?

[native jackal]

It roughly takes place like 40 years after the events of Marathon Durandal

[wicked estuary]

is this confirmed?

[native jackal]

Think so

That's mainly based on the old ARG logs

[rancid spoke]

40 ❌
80 ✅

[native jackal]

Oh it's 80? Didn't know that, knew it takes place after though

[brave aurora]

long enough that there are now robot cats, but not long enough to get rid of the S'pht

[nova basalt]

It's mostly a continuation of the political storylines you could read on archive terminals in the OG game:

UESC wants to get back to Tau Ceti and secure the planet as UESC domain and retake their lost property.
Traxus, the company who built the Marathon, wants to harvest/steal material from the planet.
MIDA, the Martian terrorist/resistance group from the first game who smuggled the Battle Androids aboard the Marathon, wants to force the government and corporations off of Tau Ceti, as their presence there is an insult to all the Martians who died in the name of the Marathon mission, plus they generally want to undermine those authorities.

Sekiguchi and NuCaloric are two new corporations that don't have previous relation to Marathon, previously nor retroactively, but they're cool if you read the new lore. It's alot of very good worldbuilding that IMO heavily enriches the original trilogy with it's context.

Also the game takes place on Tau Ceti, if you had missed that previously. The S'pht seem to still be lurking around, and we see some fungal growths around which Durandal might have mentioned in a terminal once or twice. Also, depending on the timeline we're in, Durandal might still be in the star system.

[random condor]

Thank you so much!

We aren't sure if the pfhor are in the game though, right?

[nova basalt]

Among other things, the various factions all primarily seem to be fighting over the remains of the original Marathon/Tau Ceti AI cores, as they each presumably hold very valuable information and have large scale scientific and militaristic implications. I don't remember their names, but I believe the Tau Ceti colony hosted like, what, 4 ot 8 AI managers? Before the S'pht hit them with their tactical anti-AI viruses. They were mentioned in a few terminals. Leela and that doctor who created Durandal talked about them alot.

[nova basalt]

No sign of them. If I recall, they have a lethal reaction to the fungal growths that seem to be native to Tau Ceti. I believe the Pfhor retreated to their homeworlds.

[loud karma]

We've seen a S'pht but that's all so far

[half parcel]

we're not sure, but we do know they existed on Tau Ceti during M1, so who knows - maybe they'll try a harder invasion with more than one ship (if Durandal hasn't already wiped the species out)

[nova basalt]

Don't screw with humanity, we'll lose a fight against any aliens, but we're damn good at making bloodthirsty killer robots and they'll certainly wipe out your species just as soon as they finish wiping us out first!

[misty goblet]

Im defs fed larping as the UESC

[mortal shell]

off topic but your name is hilarious

[nova basalt]

Thank you, it was a streak of brilliance. Might make it my username ingame one day lmao

[nocturne holly]

The Marathon.
is what, a machine? An instrument that people can utilise for some sort of coercion, some transport?

[random condor]

Thanks a lot @nova basalt and others, I will continue playing the old games over the next few days

[brave aurora]

such a great summary

[mortal shell]

I'll be honored to be killed by runner NULL//TRASNSFEM.ERR on Tau Ceti

[random condor]

And I have to agree your name is awesome lol

[loud karma]

Basically a Colony ship with a hollowed out Moon attached to it

[half parcel]

Bernard Strauss

[misty goblet]

average NuMarathon firefight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx-XvPEMKmQ

[nova basalt]

Enjoy! They're brilliant, aren't they? Pick up a shotgun and spill some yellow/green/purple blood in my name, my sweet Glorp.

[nova basalt]

Very true! Thank you.

[half parcel]

Yeah, and their homeworlds may or may not be um... a'sploded...

[wicked estuary]

One of the moons of mars

[earnest fossil]

I just dl the first game , I am not smart enough to figure it out xD still trying though

[nova basalt]

Yup, Deimos.

[random condor]

I will🫡

[brave aurora]

shroedinger's exterminatis

[nocturne holly]

Deimos , hmmm, why is that, its cause the Martians had to do with the construction of it??

[wicked estuary]

If I’m remembering correctly from MandaloreGaming’s video on M1: the colonists on Mars sold Deimos to Earth to convert into a massive freighter ship

[brave aurora]

Yeah, Mars was basically dying from poverty and resource exhaustion, so they sold their moon

[misty goblet]

I might download the aleph one version than the steam one since the one after the Defend This! mission is bugged bad

One of the switches keep turning on when I flick the others in the one puzzle where you gotta lower some blocks to get through

[wicked estuary]

This ship will then travel throughout the Solar System loaded with supplies for other colonies

[wicked estuary]

Aleph One version
Which version are you playing on? The only versions I know of are the Aleph One version, and the Steam version (which I think also uses Aleph One)

[misty goblet]

Im playing on the steam one

[nocturne holly]

and the MIDA want to avenge the sacrifice made by the Mars colonists?

[loud karma]

That but they also probably want control themselves. From what I understand, each faction has selfish and selfless goals

[nova basalt]

Unclear, I believe. Which is odd, because MIDA is my fav faction, and ngl I don't entirely know wtf they're doing. Their governing priority is just to undermine UESC and Traxus, because they're outwardly anarchistic, but I think they're actual goal is to salvage the remains of the on-planet AI and use them as a weapon against the UESC so they can liberate Sol from their government.

[wicked estuary]

I also thought MIDA was wiped out

[loud karma]

Even if the MIDA that we know from previous games was wiped out, I could see a new group rising up and taking on the name for their own purposes

[nova basalt]

Oh yeah, hardcore

[brave aurora]

Mida lives.

[rancid spoke]

MIDA was banned, not wiped out

[nova basalt]

Original MIDA won, instantly collapsed (Sold out to Traxus), and then it came back under new(?) leadership. It's a rebellion movement, it can never truly die, but new MIDA (/NuMIDA) is different from the group who originally coup'd Mars

[rancid spoke]

After the failed coup, the leaders of MIDA were executed for
their crimes, and the political organization was banned in all
forms.

The organization has survived as an underground terrorist
organization, and remains active to this day.  In its
underground state, it fosters terrorism throughout Sol, and
due to its spectacular funding and excellent personnel, it has
grown to be one of the most feared terrorist groups active
anywhere in Sol.

Marathon, Level 6, "The Rose", Public Access Terminal 23-f

[wicked estuary]

Ah I see

[rancid spoke]

I'd like to believe it's the same MIDA in this terminal.
Not the same MIDA that overthrew the UESC in Mars, because the leaders of that MIDA were executed, but it's still the same organization, more or less

[loud karma]

I'm a new fan tbh but I'm really digging NuMarathon seemingly leaning more into the background lore from the old games, cuz from what I do know of them, it's super compelling

[rancid spoke]

You should give them a try! They're all free on Steam

[nova basalt]

Kinda more in headcanon territory, but MIDA scares tf out of me btw. I'm a hardcore MIDA supporter, but I just want it to be clear, we do NOT know who's leading them - Obviously - And we do NOT know their motivations nor their plans.

Rebellion, dissidence, sticking it to the man - Those punk/anarchy ideals arnt a PLAN, they're hardly even a METHOD. They're a motivation. Borderline propaganda.

I want to watch UESC and TRAX burn, but once the ash settles, what does MIDA do to fill the power vacuum? We fight, we push. But to what end??

[loud karma]

I have them downloaded on my Steamdeck! I plan on (attempting) to play through them all soon!

[nova basalt]

Ooo AlephOne on the deck sounds sweet ngl

[shy lion]

/alpha

[rancid spoke]

Who funds MIDA?

Any organization that receives "spectacular funding" is suspicious to me. There's financial gain.
And that spells T-R-O-U-B-L-E.

[loud karma]

Sekiguchi might be doing some shady dealings (you didn't hear that from me) but you have to admit their tech is next level. They have results at least

[nova basalt]

Exactly. MIDAs inner council - Whatever that may look like - I think they're just puppeting Old MIDA's corpse, manipulating dissidents and rebels using a symbol of their success and empowerment to drive them into action. I think MIDAs stated goal and it's true intention are entirely seperate. They fascinate me.

[opaque heart]

someone's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter 🗣️

[dull moss]

I don't care if its a terrorist group or not I'd rather die then pledge my allegiance to a government or corporation

[ivory skiff]

MIDA is based as fuck ngl
only reason they started blowing shit up is because nobody listened to them otherwise

[austere prawn]

Can someone give me a very basic rundown of the factions

[ivory skiff]

sure
there's the Pfhor who are a brutal empire of different species that seek to enslave and conquer other races (including humans) and are the main antagonists of the first 2 marathon games.

the S'pht are an alien species enslaved by the Pfhor but they are intelligent and spiritual. they are basically brains in giant cybernetic bodies. relatively benevolent but become hostile after being enslaved by the Pfhor.

UESC is the United Earth Space Council. Basically humanity's space government. Half militaristic, half bureaucratic. They run Earth and human colonies (both in the solar system and on Tau Ceti). They created the UESC Marathon, and they are implied to be very corporatized and controlling, bordering on authoritarian

MIDA is the Martian Independence Defense Alliance (we think, the actual acronym isnt fully known) but they are human freedom fighters who want independence from the UESC, but eventually spiraled into a terrorist organization after a riot-turned-massacre at a food distribution center, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Martian citizens. This led to a failed coup detat, which included an attempted armed takeover of the UESC Marathon and the Tau Ceti IV colony, which forced MIDA underground after their leaders were executed.

[austere prawn]

Thank you very much

[ivory skiff]

you got it!

[dull moss]

regarding that riot, it was due to the CRISTs breakdown, transportation of goods to the colonies was cut down. Food riots were not uncommon. Thats how the Misriah Massacre happened. A riot erupted at the Misriah food distribution center, prompting the deployment of UESC riot troopers with information suggesting that the rioters were armed. When the troopers came under plasma fire correction, the plasma fire was spraying upward to the sky, not at the troopers, their hovertank opened fire on the crowd. only 3 rioters were confirmed to be armed

[lost fractal]

The only thing I’d add onto this is the Pfhor (or at least their civilisation, there might still be some stragglers around) have been wiped out by the time this new game takes place.

[opaque heart]

300 martians were burned alive in that massacre correct?

[heady tiger]

I don't mean to cut in much here, but just wanted to say, hello. While I've been following Bungie since the early years of Halo and halfway through Destiny's lifespan up to now, I am very much new to Marathon. The new trailer for Marathon and My Name is Byf's video on it has since got me pretty interested in the lore. The mystery surrounding much of the lore of Bungie's titles have always greately peaked my interest.

[dull moss]

500

[opaque heart]

my god

[dull moss]

In the ensuing investigation of the Hovertank onboard cameras, it was clear that only three of the rioters were armed, and that the rest of the crowd was trying to flee the scene. Those three became known as the Misriah Three, the ones who pushed the rising tentions past the tipping point

[lost fractal]

If you want to learn even more of the lore in a fairly quick time, I’d recommend HiddenXperia’s 3-part lore series (one video for each of the games). Here is the link to the first one: https://youtu.be/f9H1fMIFGyc?si=m5D4xrV9XLBJ1xwg

[heady tiger]

HiddenXperia is one of my favorite Youtubers. Not sure if I've seen this video before though. I'll definitely give it a watch, thanks.

[dull moss]

after the Misriah Massacre and the failed coup the UESC banned all forms of political organization

[cinder fossil]

A couple tiny little tweaks to this (from an old-timer Marathon fan perspective; idk how much of this might get retconned):

1. The Pfhor empire is really just one species (and maybe some related subspecies). They're not a coalition of multiple species like the Covenant, for example. They just use slave labor for combat etc.

2. I don't know that the S'pht are usually described as "spiritual" per se (although they have a creation myth and an unspecified number of deities). They do seem to have some kind of hivemind, though. Also, their cybernetic bodies are actually pretty small. They just float and have long robes. Another key detail with these guys is that the ones in Tau Ceti were all freed in Marathon 1 when the player kills their cybernetic controller. This sparks a revolt against the Pfhor, and the AI Durandal takes a bunch of these free S'pht with him when he leaves the system. It'll be interesting to see whether any S'pht left in Tau Ceti are still free. If not, maybe they're from a later Pfhor expedition. Or they could be feral S'pht who are roaming around without a true collective. Lots of fun possibilities for Bungie to play around with, and that's even ignoring the possibility that they could retcon some details to make things more interesting.

3. Correct me if this was retconned in the ARG (it may have been, idk), but I don't think MIDA ever tried to take over the Tau Ceti IV colony. They stashed weapons on the Marathon, but I don't think there was ever an attempted coup once the ship got to its destination.

[fallen hollow]

Come read the latest lore. It's all archived here for your convenience.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/

[heady tiger]

Thanks.

[shrewd hedge]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/ This site also has some interesting discussions from way back when

[opaque heart]

oh nice website bro

[quasi valley]

Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the UESC on Mars. The DAC is your weapon against their walls. Stolen from the corporate puppets. Repurposed for revolution. This card breaks chains. Opens doors. Marks your every act of defiance. Upgrade it through action. Surrender it and surrender yourself. Share it and be forgotten. The strongest among you will be rewarded. The system trembles when many become one.

[cinder fossil]

For those who don't know, this is the authoritative lore repository for anything that predates the upcoming game. Hamish Sinclair has maintained this page since 1995, and several Bungie employees have shouted him out on Twitter this past week. The site design is a little dated, but you won't find a better resource.

[lost fractal]

I believe the term “Pfhor” is most often used to refer to the species but it can also be used to refer to the overall empire, including the enslaved species.

Also, I imagine any Spht left on Tau Ceti would be free because the Pfhor empire has been smashed by the time this new game occurs (assuming not retconning).

[shrewd hedge]

Hats off to Hamish Sinclair

[cinder fossil]

I think calling them an "empire of different species" could imply that they're a collective empire. It's really an empire of one species that enslaves other species.

In the original games, Pfhor Prime was sacked in 2881 (which is indeed before this game is set). That doesn't necessarily imply that the entire empire is wiped out. But regardless, I'm almost positive that Bungie's going to retcon this. If this aspect of the timeline were true, humanity would have been in a massive intergalactic war for most of the past century (and would have been allied with the S'pht during that time). You'd think that would have come up somewhere in the ARG, and it would make the S'pht a lot less mysterious (which goes against the vibe they seem to be setting up). That's all just my speculation though

[ivory skiff]

thank you!! this is great (replying to your tweaks)

[trail oar]

“Sacked” implies a pretty thorough spanking of the Pfhor.

[cinder fossil]

Perhaps even a SPNKR-ing 😉

[lost fractal]

My interpretation of the war with the Pfhor was that it was only with the humans/Spht which were with Durandal in M2 (Robert Blake etc), not anyone who remained on Earth after the Marathon’s departure. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

[cinder fossil]

The M2 end screen says it was by "the combined fleets of Earth and the S'pht'Kr." Blake does eventually make it back to Earth, but I don't think his stolen refueling vessel gave him much firepower

[trail oar]

We know they’re tough, but what we see in the trilogy is a pretty small conflict.
One Mjolnir and an incomplete crew of BOBs of all things, were able to give them a run for their money.
So I imagine that a true UESC army probably annihilates anything the Pfhor has on the ground. Even if their navy is superior on the individual scale.

Especially if we’re going off of the ARG chats, which show that the UESC has a lot of military weight to throw around.

But yeah, the S’pht'kr probably pulled a lot of the weight.

[cinder fossil]

Well we wreck the garrison pretty bad. But we're told that they're a pretty weak force, and most of the carnage happens when Durandal takes out most of battle group 7 in orbit (which we don't even get to see in-game). With Durandal gone, the Security Officer was captured and the humans were almost all killed (aside from those Thoth saved). Then Durandal came back with the S'pht'kr and turned the fight around. I don't think it's the humans and Mjolnir cyborgs that really turned the tide. It was more about Durandal's obscene power as a rampant AI in control of a Pfhor scoutship. And we're specifically told that the Pfhor have way better technology than Earth does (which is why Durandal gives them a head start by telling them how to build warp-capable fusion missiles)

[lost fractal]

Hmm, yeah you’re right. For some reason I thought it took Blake longer than it did to return to Earth. In which case yeah I think they’ll retcon quite a bit relating to Earth finding out about what happened on Tau Ceti (because otherwise the disappearance of the colony wouldn’t be a mystery). Leela’s message never reached Earth, Durandal didn’t make a brief return visit between M1 and M2, and Blake and the rest of the humans didn’t return after M2. Or if any of these events did occur, then only the leaders/elite found out and immediately covered it all up.

[cinder fossil]

Yeah. A coverup could be cool, but it might be cleaner to just handwave it away. Especially because if the UESC knows about the Pfhor attack, then there's no real mystery about the colony. (Or at least, no mystery that we need to go to Tau Ceti to solve). Unless... Jjaro were at Tau Ceti...

But the original games are full of unreliable narrators and were never super strict with their continuity anyway, so it wouldn't be a massive erasure of Important Lore™ for them to change some of those details

[trail oar]

It would be awesome if we get to see or hear Jason Jones as Blake again

[cinder fossil]

And Doug Zartman as Bob 😎

At least as an easter egg. Bungie gave him some uncredited voice lines at the beginning of Halo CE; he voices some of the Bob-esque crew dudes on the ship

[exotic crow]

Now that I think about it the unsc personnel that were not marines in CE really looked bob-esque 🤯

[cinder fossil]

They were pretty Bobular

[iron needle]

so we think that nuMarathon will be in the ||original timeline||?

[cinder fossil]

If by that you mean that it will share the most continuity with M1, yeah I would bet money on it

Imo the original Marathon games don't divide into nice, neat "timelines" the way a lot of youtubers would have you believe. Even M2 retcons some aspects of M1

[lost fractal]

At this point I think some details will be retconned, but assuming full adherence with the original trilogy my guess is the final timeline from Infinity. Wouldn’t make much sense if the W’rkncacnter is loose.

[iron needle]

👍

[cinder fossil]

At the end of Infinity we're told that the W'rkncacnter ||may never have existed at all||. Maybe it's because ||you do such a good job at containing it that Durandal/Thoth just can't detect it||. But it's not really clear whether ||it's real, a metaphor, or just a S'pht myth||

(I choose to believe ||it's real on at least some level||, but Infinity is VERY vague on this point)

[lost fractal]

Fair, I guess my point is that if the W’rkncacnter is real, then we’re presumably in a timeline where it’s still trapped (or else we’d all be screwed 😅).

[cinder fossil]

Maybe the W'rkncacnter caused so much chaos that it scrambled all the timelines, allowing Bungie to select basically any possibility 😁

[lost fractal]

Perhaps, I’m itching for Bungie to give us some more confirmed lore details (I think I’m gonna be a crazy lore person with this game).

[placid mountain]

i mean, something is very clearly terrifying durandal at the beginning of infinity to the point where he knows everything is over, for it to be purely and completely myth wouldn’t make much sense (and would make pathways especially odd)

[cinder fossil]

It wouldn't make pathways odd at all, because there's no explicit connection between the games other than the Jjaro (which have completely different lore than they do in Marathon). I think there's an argument that Durandal's rambling in the first terminal of Infinity is (1) a metaphor for death by supernova, (2) unreliable narration, or (3) the result of him being a little bit loopy

But I do think that's the best reading of it. That's my preferred interpretation

It's also possible that the wrk ||exists in some timelines but not in others (if you subscribe to the timeline theory)||. Because the beginning of Infinity doesn't match up with the events of M2

[placid mountain]

the beginning of infinity is definitely in a different timeline to the end of M2

even the description durandal himself gives you of the events don’t match up between games

[cinder fossil]

I guess it depends on where you draw the line between "new timeline," "retcon," and "reimagining." The beginning of M2 contradicts the end of M1, but most people consider those games to take place in the same timeline

[placid mountain]

in what way does it directly contradict though

[rugged tinsel]

From what I've managed to understand so far were essentially waiting to see which timeline we are following which could be literally any dependant on how the "dreams" of the character work.

[placid mountain]

time passes and durandal explains later in the game that he went off and did his own thing and he almost takes responsibility for the way things have changed after he left

[cinder fossil]

At the end of M1, ||you stay on the Marathon with Leela while Durandal leaves in the scoutship||. At the beginning of M2, ||you were just in stasis with Durandal the whole time||.

[rugged tinsel]

yep, the whole "you can just dimension hop now" concept introduced in infinity is wildly confusing to determine lore

[cinder fossil]

It's not clear whether that's actually what's happening in Infinity. And if it is what's happening, it's not clear that the Security Officer is the one controlling it. That's just a popular theory that youtube lore people have latched onto. It's admittedly my favorite theory, but it's far from the only one

[placid mountain]

but even our recon unit is surprised by it, it’s not so much directly contradicting as it could just be information not being exposed to our recon unit (and by extension, the player)

[rugged tinsel]

i have heard its a side effect of the W'rkncacnter being freed which could make sense since its a being of chaotic properties

[lost fractal]

I don’t think it’d be too far fetched to say that Durandal teleported us onto his ship when it became evident that the colony was doomed. Also, Durandal acknowledges the confusion and the fact that the last thing we remember is being on the Marathon.

[cinder fossil]

We don't know what the recon unit's reaction is, we just know Durandal is like "I bet you're wondering what's going on." Is that because you didn't expect to be on his ship, or because you just woke up on an alien planet 17 years in the future? And his "explanation" doesn't address how you got onto his ship, so it doesn't seem like that's what he thinks you'd be confused about

[rugged tinsel]

Although i do find it strange that the dream sequences are named "Electric sheep" seeing as the character is a battleroid

[misty goblet]

iirc in M2 it's more that he just straight up snatched you just shortly after the events of M1

[cinder fossil]

Right, which is different from the end of M1 (where Leela tells you that his ship already left the system)

[lost fractal]

Yeah, I think he was ok with leaving us initially, but decided to grab us when he realised the colony would be destroyed because we would be more useful to him alive.

[misty goblet]

I mean, he could've just pivoted back around, it's a ship

[misty goblet]

This

[cinder fossil]

He could have. But that's not something that happens in the game. It's a theory to reconcile two plot points that seem to contradict themselves

[placid mountain]

“When it turned out that Durandal had brought me here, instead of leaving me to be the hero on Tau Ceti like I deserved, I wasn’t surprised. Durandal was the rogue personality construct who had been the brains behind the defence of the colony ship Marathon. I’d been the brawn.”

“NOW DURANDAL SAID THAT WE WERE IN THE GALACTIC CORE, THOUSANDS OF LIGHT-YEARS FROM TAU CETI OR EARTH, AND THAT SEVENTEEN YEARS HAD PASSED SINCE WE LEFT TAU CETI. HE HAD IGNORED MY QUESTIONS, MOSTLY, TELLING ME THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO STAY ON TAU CETI ANYWAY.

SEVENTEEN YEARS IN AN ALIEN STASIS CHAMBER, IN A SPACE A LITTLE TOO TALL AND TOO THIN FOR HUMAN COMFORT, UNCONSCIOUS AND DREAMLESS WITHIN A FEW DEGREES OF ABSOLUTE ZERO. SEVENTEEN YEARS, WHILE DURANDAL HAD RACED ABOUT THE GALACTIC CORE IN A STOLEN PFHOR ATTACK SHIP. HE'S PROBABLY RIGHT WHEN HE SAID THOSE YEARS WERE BORING, BUT NOBODY ASKED ME WHAT I WANTED.

NOW HE SAYS THERE'S FIGHTING TO BE DONE, AND THAT I'VE GOT FIFTEEN MINUTES TO PREPARE FOR TRANSPORT DOWN TO THE PLANET. I GUESS I'LL FIGURE THINGS OUT AS I GO ALONG. JUST LIKE LAST TIME.”

Sorry for caps, copy pasting from the manual

[cinder fossil]

I could say that Infinity all takes place in one timeline, and is just a series of nightmares before you wake up and fix everything in the one real timeline. You can't really prove it didn't happen, but it's not something that comes directly from the game

[cinder fossil]

This suggests that the SO (1) was not in stasis the whole time he was on Durandal's ship (in which case the first terminal is not evidence that Durandal is explaining why he's not on the Marathon), and (2) would have been a "hero on Tau Ceti," a colony that got wiped off the map. Durandal talks to us like we already know Tau Ceti got wiped out, so the manual text doesn't really fit with either game. I think it's just an example of early Bungie pushing out content at 3 AM without thinking super carefully about continuity

[lyric gazelle]

guys im cooking i have 3703 words down and i havent even started talking about marathon one

[cinder fossil]

The manual also says Durandal was "the brains behind the defence of the colony ship Marathon," which is contradicted in both M1 and M2 (he ||called the Pfhor there and was directly responsible for everyone dying||)

[placid mountain]

“TOGETHER WE HAD FOUGHT OFF THE PFHOR INVASION OF TAU CETI. I DON'T THINK A SINGLE ONE OF THE THREE-EYED CREATURES SURVIVED, BUT WE'D TAKEN THEIR SHIP.”

idk where you’re seeing the contradiction, it’s a first person excerpt coming from 54

[lost fractal]

Tbf he was the brains of the defence, he just also caused the attack to happen in the first place

[cinder fossil]

You don't see a contradiction between "fighting off the invasion of Tau Ceti and killing every last Pfhor" and "the Pfhor destroyed the entire colony"?

[lost fractal]

The initial defence was successful. It was the later 2nd attack which destroyed the colony

[placid mountain]

he also claims that he called the phfor prior to his rampancy

[cinder fossil]

Except he didn't participate in the defense at all, and actively impeded it throughout M1 by kidnapping the SO for his own purposes (causing the S'pht revolt so he could steal the Pfhor ship)

[lost fractal]

Obviously this is just speculation, but I suspect the fight would’ve been lost if the Spht hadn’t been freed.

[cinder fossil]

When did the second attack happen? And what changed such that Durandal (1) originally left Tau Ceti, but then (2) later realized the second attack was going to happen, and came back to scoop up the Security Officer before said attack occurred?

[lost fractal]

2nd attack occurred a few months after the first one iirc. With a phfor ship and the technological prowess of the Spht, I think it’s within the realm of possibility that he learned of the imminent attack on Tau Ceti before it started. Or at least was able to retrieve the player before everyone got killed.

[placid mountain]

this ain’t killing every last pfhor in existence, they came back

durandal explicitly says “the phfor returned and sacked the planet”

[cinder fossil]

What about the fact that in M1 we get a burst of static that says "The colony has been wiped out. Phhht! Just like that."? Current theory is that it's an artifact from an earlier build where your actions could affect the outcome, but it's still part of the game that contradicts the "two-attack" idea from M2

[placid mountain]

2nd attack happens 3 months after Durandal leaves Tau Ceti

[cinder fossil]

He does. It happened "[t]hree months after we left Tau Ceti." So it's not like Durandal came back to avert the attack. He left Tau Ceti and had no reason to turn around

And you still have all your weapons on you when you go with Durandal (he says this, because that's what his S'pht use to mass produce your weapons in the later games), so it seems like no time passed before he picked you up. Unless the SO stays strapped, I guess. So it must have been a pretty immediate decision to turn the ship around

[placid mountain]

yeah it must’ve been almost immediate cause 54 doesn’t initially realise where he’s even at in the manual before being put into statis, when he wakes up he says “for a moment I thought we were still at the colony”

[cinder fossil]

Realistically, the thing that actually happened is that Jason Jones and Greg K. decided they wanted to tell a cool new story that they hadn't planned on, and they fudged some details to make it work. That's all I'm saying. You can come up with a theory to make it make sense, but it's not because the story has inherently strong continuity

[placid mountain]

there’s nothing that actually contradicts though, it’s small things that have simple and easy explanations

i’m not saying they had the whole marathon master plan written out from game 1, but the story is pretty connected and coherent up until infinity

[cinder fossil]

"I guess Durandal turned around" isn't a simple explanation if there's no reason for him to do that. "Maybe he realized the colony was gonna get destroyed" isn't a simple explanation if there's no reason for him to realize that after he leaves

Anyway, I gotta head to bed, but nice talking lore with you! I'm sure half of it will be obsolete when the new game comes out, but that just means more story to learn 😁

[grizzled pagoda]

In the behind the scenes a while back they mention doing more with the particularly mysterious sides of marathon lore, any theories what those could be?

[trail oar]

They even say “They’re everywhere!”

[placid mountain]

when they say “particularly mysterious” that sounds like the vague timeline stuff from infinity but could be anything tbh

[trail oar]

The Security Officer isn’t controlling it. Tycho teases him with the suggestion that he knows why it’s happening, but won’t tell.

[sharp heron]

I feel like anything with the garden and Phthia is up there

[placid mountain]

to be fair, it could be that 54 just isn’t aware of his own actions, like how durandal claims that he called the phfor before he was rampant

it could be that durandal is lying, or it could be that he actually doesn’t realise he was rampant yet

[exotic epoch]

love the lore.. can't wait for the game.

[surreal cave]

maybe in the long run something in relation to tau ceti was pertinent to durandals continued existance? read a bit up in chat n still don't know quite whats happening but i reckon thats a fair guess

[slim tundra]

So the thing I'm still not understanding is:

Leela's warning message about the Pfhor should have reached Earth by 2886. We don't know if this message was a general broadcast or encrypted. If it was sent to Earth and of course to the UESC home command. Do we think they would have communicated this with MIDA?

The ARG takes place in at earliest 2888, and MIDA is clearly operating against the UESC but does MIDA even know about the events that happened on Tau Ceti by this point?

I guess since the game takes place just after Leela's warning message reaches earth. We can assume that the actions taken by the UESC as well as MIDA, Traxus, and Sekiguchi - that lead to runners needing to run missions on Tau Ceti would be because Runners shifting consciousness into their shells is the only way the UESC can get to Tau Ceti via faster than light travel. They probably do have other ships on the way. But they also will likely be decades away.

[heady horizon]

Considering iirc during the events prior to Marathon 2 Durandal took Boomer to both go warn humanity and also teach them how to arm themselves against the Pfhor (he mentions it in a terminal during marathon 2, the first terminal of come and take your medicine), I bet UESC probably already knows that the Pfhor exist and what happened at Tau Ceti, but probably doesn't know what happened post Durandal telling them, hence why they're now sending runners and corpos to go investigate.
But considering the entire ARG MIDA was hunting for some truth the UESC was hiding, I can assume that they most likely covered up the tau Ceti IV attack and the existence of the Pfhor from the general population, and Nu-MIDA formed to try and reveal what happened and what's happening now at the colony

[slim tundra]

Completely forgot about that terminal. I knew the boomer had the capability to go to earth, but I didn't remember if it actually did or not. that is a great point I had missed.

Ahhh true, that would be the truth that UESC is hiding - so MIDA knows something is up, and they probably think it's because of their bots on the Marathon - having no idea their bots actually HELPED the UESC in the end.

[simple garden]

byf making vids on marathon now

it has begun

[unborn pumice]

He said greetings runners and it felt so right

[gray lintel]

BYF is trying to infect another community 💔 , love you

[vital willow]

What is good video to explain the history around marathon? I'm quite new to the series but i'm quite excited for the new game

[supple portal]

For a general overview on the games, their plots and basic themes the mandaloregaming videos are very good

[primal surge]

Like he said, Mandalore has a pretty good explainers and this is a really nice audiobook of all the terminals in M1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22RdxGNl-wA

[icy field]

I doubt that you can understand all intrigues of the lore just by watching a video. Suggesting playing the original trilogy instead and then going over info on https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[unborn pumice]

let me link you a good short one https://youtu.be/HcZMQYZHoI4?si=0E2esbvzUct_3OIR

[primal surge]

As much as I love Byf, that video is extremely surface level

[unborn pumice]

the og games are definitely fun

[unborn pumice]

yeah but its good to beginers to the marathon world if they want more the internet is filled with much more

[icy field]

tbh, i hate how levels are designed in the first game. Still think, that Colony Ship For Sale, Cheap is the worst level of the 90's.

[unborn pumice]

yeah its kinda purposeful though the 90's were peak "let the gamers figure it out themselves" days ive been enjoying the puzzles even if the develpoers themselves said that level was horrible hah even they know they went to far lol

[woven echo]

I hope the game drives more into the lore and isn't just Tarkov all the time. The ARG was a lot of fun and got me really interested in the lore. I enjoyed Halo and Destiny Lore so very curious what Marathon will bring to the table. Wish I played the previous games

[icy field]

Tbh, i loved how they've expanded the role of MIDA through the arg. I believe, that story rich lore of marathon is in good hands...for now.

[unborn pumice]

you still can just look up aleph one

[primal surge]

The old games are free so you can still go in and play them no issue

[icy field]

They're not just free, they're libre ☝️

[cinder fossil]

They’re free on Steam and will run on a potato!

[primal surge]

I also don't doubt the new game is chock full of lore. Bungie is obsessed with writing weird and wonderful stories in their worlds

[glad jewel]

Will they stay true to the original story?

[unborn pumice]

not sure but judging by what weve seen there will definitely be some elements like the compilers, tau ceti the factions etc

[sage junco]

Colony Ship For Sale, Cheap. That was sooooo brutal. 90's me never figured out the platform puzzle... just grenade hopped up the wall, and then had to play the next level (Habe Quiddam) with a tiny sliver of health, no save points and those explosive lookers

way before the time before you could just load up the wiki or something... you really were on your own

[primal surge]

It'll probably keep the events of M1 and M2 as canonical, but won't continue them or anything.

[cinder fossil]

If you were a movie star you could just call Bungie and get a walkthrough (Tom Cruise did this when he got stuck in Marathon Infinity)

[icy field]

Well there was a solution, a funny one. Customer service hotline. Bungie had one. You could dial a number, and ask a question: where to go. It is weird, but usually they helped in the most dire situations.

[icy field]

Although the telephony costs were insane, especially assuming that you were dialing to america.

[sage junco]

yeah, always looked at that phone number with longing. (was in Australia and had don't-even-think-about-it parents)

[unborn pumice]

https://youtu.be/22RdxGNl-wA?si=hTCD1Jjqj8JMT3Rz

[unborn pumice]

for those looking for a deeper, more cinematic look into the games lore

[lost fractal]

HiddenXperia's 3-part YouTube series about the lore across the 3 games is quite good as well

[keen zealot]

MandaloreGaming has a set if videos too, he even goes through pathways into darkness

[keen zealot]

I’ve got a bone to pick with you

[lost fractal]

I reckon the events of M1 are pretty much set in stone, but there might be some retconning for M2 and infinity

[fallen hollow]

This archive also exists if you'd like something more mobile friendly. It also covers the latest ARG.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/

[heady tendon]

If the lore was just for the ARG I’ll be disappointed. VERY disappointed. I’d still play simply for the art style, but still

[keen zealot]

It won’t be, the other marathon games had lore leaking from every hole

I just started typing and that’s what came out

[mellow rock]

my goat ❤️

[plucky pawn]

yall think there will be enemy compilers on the map

[cinder fossil]

I sure hope so

Somebody's gotta do the compiling around here

[plucky pawn]

real

this is true

man itll be really cool to see them with fresh models

[primal surge]

Not sure they'll be enemies, but they will make an appearance

[unborn pumice]

Yes I’ll be there

[primal surge]

Pls no shoot, am fren

[surreal crescent]

are any other bungie universes merged with Marathon?

[red meadow]

I rewatched the teaser, and I wonder if the robot foot belongs to an npc enemy. There is a kinda robotic noise right after it launches off the box. I had assumed it was a customized runner but now im not sure

that would also explain why it doesnt stop to loot the runner. It just keeps goin

[urban olive]

I'm pretty sure pathways into darkness and Halo. Halo has marathon-esque terminals, and pathways into darkness opens the doors to ancient alien civilization. I'm just basically scratching the surface of it, though

[flat apex]

All this talk about marathon makes me want to play through the trilogy again

[urban olive]

Especially now that all three are on steam!

[old saddle]

Security helmet in Halo 3. BOOM

[pseudo spade]

The MIDA Multi-Tool from Destiny as well

[placid wyvern]

MIDA Mini-Tool as well

[surreal crescent]

Its all coming together

[pseudo spade]

There are hints at / references to Marathon’s lore and symbology in Halo. This is a good place to start: https://www.halopedia.org/List_of_Marathon_references_in_the_Halo_series

[broken jay]

And mini tool

[primal surge]

Outside PiD being a loose prequel of sorts, it's mostly references with questionable canonicity

[pseudo spade]

Iirc there was a theory of Halo being a fractured timeline from the Marathon trilogy, but no firm evidence on that. Destiny 2 has some references to the events of the Marathon timeline in the MIDA weapons’ lore, but again that’s loose/theory rather than canon.

[primal surge]

Halo has no direct links, outside the cortana letters which are a bit questionable if you read them and reference them to the halo games. MIDA tools in destiny relate to some pretty important marathon info, but it's unclear whether they should be held as the truth.

[surreal crescent]

the Truth will soon be revealed.

[dire basin]

Its already pretty much confirmed that Bungie has a multiverse type of thing due to the 30th anniversary event of Bungie in Destiny. The event shared a ton of armor and weapons from Halo and Marathon, like the Halo energy sword and Wastelander Shotgun from Marathon. I'm pretty sure the whole thing is canon but I'd have to search it again.

[coral lagoon]

it's the starhorse's paraverse

[dire basin]

Exactly!

The Paraverse (also referred to as Paraverses) is a collection of parallel universes or realities accessible by the entity known as Starhorse.
Just copy pasted from the Destiny Wiki

[primal surge]

Eh, the 30th content is really suspect canon wise. It's not referenced anywhere outside of that content itself.

[dire basin]

Its still completely canon. Starhorse just wipes memories and stuff as said by Xur being really sad after the whole "gameshow"

[primal surge]

It's not neccessarily not canon, but it can't be confirmed as canon either.

[dire basin]

Eh Im pretty sure its still canon

[primal surge]

Items and events of it haven't been mentioned anywhere else, the paraverse hasn't been mentioned anywhere else and the whole part has the vibe of a shitpost

[keen zealot]

Do you guys reckon the guns will be customisable? Attachments/camos. it would be nice to have a level of customisation but nothing as detailed as Tarkov for instance. As long as the camos are lore accurate I’ll be happy.

[dire basin]

Does it have to be mentioned anywhere else to be considered canon?

[primal surge]

Pretty sure attachements have been mentioned and I dunno what they would do if there weren't any so yea

[whole frost]

So the new Marathon Twitch badge unlocks now... at 10:45. Odd time. ANY chance there is something to this? 04.11.2025.10.45

[dire basin]

Taken directly from the lore books in the game. And since Starhorse hasnt left yet, everything is still there.

He takes a breath. "These Dares of Eternity are not truly real. They are a paraversal remainder, and when the impossible horse leaves us and the realities realign, they will disappear forever. It will be as though they never existed."

"My memories of hosting, of the time I spent with you… they will disappear along with the Dares."

[primal surge]

Which only strengthens the idea that it's a fun 4th wall breaking event that doesn't affect canon

[dire basin]

Fun 4th wall breaking still can mean canon.

Its just an event that happened because of a magic horse and brought stuff from other Bungie games into Destiny. Once the horse leaves the other things will leave too, but everything still happened.

[wanton ridge]

What if Marathon Halo and destiny . All the same people and plot, just alternate relaities . . , Like spiderman spiderverse fr . . .

[dire basin]

Thats literally what the 30th aniv says with the Paraverse.

[wanton ridge]

holy peak fiction

[dire basin]

They all exists in a multiverse. Different times, different realities, but all real.

[exotic crow]

well if i remember right at the end of m2 durandal goes to earth 10k years after the event of the game who says it was not as the traveler ( im overthinking of course xD) ?

[dire basin]

The entirety of Marathon Infinity was just alternate realities

[pulsar shard]

[orchid lava]

!obey

[abstract hedge]

!obey

[coarse iron]

!obey

[dark nest]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[old owl]

!obey

[dark nest]

!obey

[ripe raft]

Zavala —
A waste of time, as always. I won't confiscate the Red Death engrams, I won't roll back the SUROS Crucible firmware to its "original" (preposterously inflated) state. And I won't conduct any more "forensic inquiries" like this!

My Redjacks unlocked your MIDA weapon's logs; simple enough once we used the rifle's own electronic warfare tools. The rifle was designed by primitive AI and manufactured for use by a "revolutionary government" named MIDA. Mars Is Damnably Arid, perhaps.

Guerilla war suits these versatile weapons. But Rahool insists his records never hinted at a rebel group named MIDA. According to the rifle's cached messages, MIDA's brief reign killed a full ten percent of the Martian people.

I gave Lakshmi the weapon for her take. She insinuates that it came from another timeline, perhaps through Golden Age experiments. That means it's outside your jurisdiction to ban.
—Shaxx

[sage sphinx]

!obey

[abstract summit]

!obey

[dawn dew]

!obey

[dim wharf]

!mida

[broken roost]

!obey

[vagrant summit]

Do you guys think you will be able to run in marathon or just walk like Halo 2.

[brave atlas]

On all 4's like the monkies we are.

[shy lion]

!obey

[half parcel]

/disembodied-soul when can we expect your return?

https://bungie.fandom.com/wiki/Disembodied_Soul

[vagrant summit]

!bingus

[half parcel]

Marathon: Infinity - "You are a pawn... oh wait... you are destiny."
Marathon 202X - "You are pawns."

[final condor]

!obey

[rigid basin]

You can make a difference

[silent brook]

what are you doing here mr [redacted]

[pulsar shard]

shhhhhh, im undercover

[silent brook]

confirmed MIDA symphatiser

[abstract adder]

Yo, what's the topic today?

[compact jolt]

something something traitor /s

[primal surge]

topic today is, what does the radio mean

[abstract adder]

Sweet, any lowdown I need to know before joining in XD

[errant tundra]

Can anyone check the radio to see if any changes to this made themselves apparent

>LOWEST 77.4

> 76.5C ~ 77.5C - Music (CodeRace)
> 81.3A - Unauthorized Broadcast Channel. [Protocol 15.6]
> 84.1A - Distorted Voices
> 89.0C - Sirens.
> 89.9A/90.3A - Music. 
> 92.4B - UESC [Regulation 78.5]
> 94.7C - Footsteps, digital noises.
> 97.2C - Forbidden Transmission. [Directive 12.4]
> 98.3C - Reversed Audio.
> 100.1B - UESC [Statute 56.9]
> 103.4C - Ozymandias Poem, Reversed.
> 106.3C - Music Reminiscent of Halo 3 Trailer.
> 108.1A - Unauthorized Broadcast Channel. [Code 47.3]
> 110.8A - Music.
> 112.9C ~ 113.1C - Broadcast Illegal, shutdown commencing. [Law 34.7]
> 115.7B - UESC [Code 11.3]
> 117.9 - Ambient Noises.
> 120.1A - Broadcast Operation Illegal. [Regulation 89.2]
> 126.6C ~ 127.2C - UESC Noitice. [Article 22.1]
> 129.4A - UESC [Directive 23.8]
> 130.6C/130.8C - Ambient Water

>HIGHEST 131.2
~Gli7cH```

[vagrant oriole]

distorted voices is Ozymandias poem in reverse, but modified to reflect marathon lore

edit:
nvm, it seems that every channel with distorted voice will change

[quartz sand]

How can I check?

[sly rampart]

124.5C - 125.5C has someone speaking with some background noise too. can't make out what they're saying though

[topaz harbor]

Did they announce the livestream is starting early tomorrow?

[errant tundra]

on stream, find the nine dots on the right

[bleak wind]

you're missing all of the stuff on 90.*

[quartz sand]

I'm fucking blind, I can't see anything, I don't see where to find it

[bleak wind]

you're also missing everything on 95

[errant tundra]

89.9~90.3A

[bleak wind]

ahhh i missed it

[errant tundra]

its all within ranges but i dont have the exacts

[celest island]

Where do i get the numbers for the contract after getting the DAC from the file name?

[sly rampart]

this frequency is reciting the Ozymandias poem but it isn't reversed this time

[slim tundra]

We still don't know how to decypher the contract code from the DAC filename. Its likely that it will come into play in one of the next 3 contracts

[celest island]

I see

[dusty vessel]

in computer language, "!" means not, so maybe the right way is to find the antonyms of "obey"? just saying

[brazen cipher]

does anyone have a link to the arg google doc with all the previous contract codes i missed some when bot was down

[quasi valley]

Is there a good wiki somewhere that breaks down the different factions like nucaloric, traxus, sekiguchi, mida, cyberacme

[simple garden]

would love to know as well

[dreamy marten]

Anti-Product 02b0cde4-f4f1-4b04-b584-9eb117bd5b41
Encrypted Sight 1027ccd0-57b9-4047-9886-1b084761ffbc
Code in the code 31CAEA19-6615-4A9A-B003-C4172EE7B489
Bad Pattern Recognition f06595f6-acda-4561-a955-2dc5d10413f6
Offspring of Apollo c1172313-dd5f-4d4d-bee5-6020d16870ee
Starting Line 1613e115-c614-4448-a5cf-0e1d1e63380b
InfilTRAITOR 4a8d7dd6-9ea1-40ab-b70c-521b794188a7

[brazen cipher]

tytyty! i did like 5/7 i was just missing a few :3

[slim tundra]

infiltrator and bad pattern recognition are unique to each user btw. you have to get the codes for those 2 yourself

[dreamy marten]

wasnt aware of that thanks for clarifying

[brazen cipher]

theyre like the 2 easiest ones to do anyway so it having unique codes isnt too bad

[dreamy marten]

yes

[low violet]

Does the cat have any prior meaning in the Marathon lore?

[lusty magnet]

[plucky pawn]

yes actually, animals can have their memories + conciousness transferred in to machines, called FIDO i think

[low violet]

Cant or can?

[plucky pawn]

can my b

[low violet]

Oh cool! What is the name of the robo dog in Destiny again?

[plucky pawn]

so that cat was likely a real living cat at some point

[plucky pawn]

Archie

[brazen cipher]

short for archangel right

[low violet]

Ah gotcha - I wonder if his existence is a reference to Marathon

[brazen cipher]

how are the points for contracts actually calculated? is it based on how many people got it done before you or something

[plucky pawn]

correct

[sour jetty]

is there a place where people are actively working on solving the arg aside from this server?

[chilly sluice]

What was the link to the site with all of the UESC terminal entries?

[low violet]

So it seems like commands in the Livestream do different things

[sour harness]

traxus global recalibration countdown is stuck. is it just me or is it for everybody? iv been away for a couple hours

[sand leaf]

https://uesc.io/

[plucky pawn]

Actually i believe the pet thing is new Marathon lore. From the Sekiguchi Genetics website: "Sekiguchi's patented F.I.D.O ("Fully Integrated Digital Organism") technology preserves complete memories from all kinds of four-legged friends. Experience the future of companion relationships with pets with Sekiguchi's groundbreaking memory transfer technology. Cherish your precious moments forever." There is also a section specifically on the cat from the trailer, it's called K.A.A.L. 1 and it's the only existing model it seems, not available to the public.

[chilly sluice]

I meant the one that has all of them laid out along with the MIDA, Traxus, and Sekiguchi logs.

[plucky pawn]

traxus.global

[chilly sluice]

nvr I found it. https://marathon.karnemir.com/

[stuck vine]

does that mean the worms made the cat

[plucky pawn]

possibly yes!

[verbal ice]

Does anyone know how you get to the radio thing I'm a bit behind.

[plucky pawn]

hover over the stream with your mouse, the icon should be on the right side

[sour jetty]

have we solved everything from the radio?

[plucky pawn]

its mostly audio we've heard before afaik

[pliant dew]

c'mon leak some gameplay please u.u

[gritty schooner]

Where do we find this interceptor thing?

[simple garden]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/ are you thinking of this

[gritty schooner]

clicked on the link and it told me im number 7777777

[acoustic bronze]

me too haha

[verbal ice]

Are we looking for anything specific on the stream.

[chilly sluice]

Nah just needed the link to the lore archive.

[errant tundra]

check the right side of the stream

[low violet]

TWITCH Commands: !obey -> MIDA popup !consume -> AD popup !terminal -> Weapon popup There might be others we don't know yet

[warped cairn]

there are 8 contracts in #1354446976242028658 . are there 8 codes?

[primal surge]

Only 7 are completable at the moment, one requires all others to be done and they haven't revealed all of the contracts yet

[gritty schooner]

anyone got the reversed audio for the poem and the other one?

[warped cairn]

thanks! which one is that?

[primal surge]

10/10, the one that says complete 10 contracts

[lilac hawk]

has anyone else looked at the sekiguchi genetics webpage?

[zenith ledge]

Why did the newest DAC message from the bot lead to a link?

[lilac hawk]

where did the link lead to?

[blissful sandal]

someone link absolute best and eaiest to follow lore youtube videos

[low violet]

I just posted it in the general chat

[plucky pawn]

I mean if you like Byf he has some decent videos

[blissful sandal]

he has one am looking for more

he mentioned mandalore, but i only found mandaloregaming which was just reviews

[elder oasis]

try this guy he is pretty chill https://youtu.be/uyCNQLThY1o?feature=shared smal youtuber for a change

[misty goblet]

MandaloreGaming does go into story though and has pretty good insight
Of course, watch a dedicated marathon lore guy but still, give it a go

^

[kindred marsh]

the reviews are basically story recaps with his thoughts in between

[elder oasis]

havent seen a vehicule yet

[blissful sandal]

oh ok gotcha, thanks for info

[elder oasis]

thats too bad Bungie got great vehicule systems over the years

[compact rose]

I just want everyone in this channel to know

[elder oasis]

I was thinking more of a 3 man vehicule

everyone having a solo sparrow thing would kill the vibe

tomorrow then!

[low violet]

Any reason my DAC is greyed out, continually loading from the Marathon NULL bot?

I wonder if it would come back if I leave and come back

nothing

[past gull]

bot is glitched. use /dac to see your dac

[low violet]

/dac

[past gull]

other channel

[neat yacht]

If a colony falls in Tau Ceti and nobody is around to hear it, did their screams even make a sound?

i'm so hyped

[misty goblet]

Probably overtaken by explosions and alien howls

[exotic herald]

Colony ship for sale… I get it now. A level so bad they had to apologize

[compact rose]

common_loon_call.mp3

[rustic barn]

/dac

[burnt tusk]

/dac

[warped harbor]

I've played / completed marathon 1 and 2. I've played like 3 hours of marathon infinity, but the story seems more...meta? And I know the story anyway.

It just seems 1+2 are more relevant for nu marathon, at least initially. As long as I know the story for infinity, do you reckon I'm good skipping it?

[compact hearth]

[half parcel]

More importantly, what's that strange shapeless form emerging from the local star?

[half parcel]

I mean, in Infinity you go through a whole series of paths just to end up at a slight deviation from M2.

But it's the journey, not the destination. Also, Infinity has the best level designs, lighting, and sound imho...

[smoky pine]

/dac

[stark reef]

wrong channel, its general where commands are active

[smoky pine]

noticed lol

[warped harbor]

I reaaally like the more...paracausal (to borrow the destiny term) nature that infinity has.

M1+M2 are very halo-esque in how grounded / conventional the universe is. M3 veers into Destiny-esque 'space magic' just a tad, which is very enticing to me.

**On that point - are we aware of any other 'paracausal' / 'cosmic horror' style entities in the marathon universe, besides the W’rkncacnter? **
The Jjaro were certainly technologically advanced, but maybe not 'space magic' in the way the W’rkncacnter is.

[plucky sierra]

Is PiD officially part of the story? Because there’s the sleeping god (probably a W’rkncacnter anyway)

[warped harbor]

It's canon, yes! That's a good question - I believe the sleeping god is a W’rkncacnter, but do we know that for sure?

[half parcel]

Basically, yes

[plucky sierra]

I always assumed so but it’s not stated anywhere

Just a alien god that humans won’t be able to pronounce correctly if I remember right

[neat yacht]

i think they might be more leaning into Technological Cosmic Horror as opposed to just magic with this game, tho we'll see what the Artifacts end up being. i say that mostly because of K.A.A.L.1, the pink cat which started exhibiting higher cognitive function after the mind transfer, likely because the new hardware its running on is more powerful than its original brain. a cat suddenly gaining the cognitive ability to be sentient and having to grapple with what that means for its own existence is textbook Cosmic Horror

[plucky sierra]

I wonder if transferred consciousnesses could exhibit rampancy

[neat yacht]

but most transferred consciousnesses have had a body to return to so far, no? i wonder if embracing artificial immortality would lead to some of the existentialism associated with rampancy

i mean in the document talking about K.A.A.L.1 it lists it as a new and ongoing experiment, not ready for public release

[plucky sierra]

Like DER from destiny

[neat yacht]

i think its just an expansion and/or breakthrough with the existing FIDO tech

[final notch]

I'm gonna say yes? Marathon gets v spiritual

[plucky sierra]

I’m curious if they’ll introduce some type of mind rejection to the synthetic body like DER, potentially exhibiting rampancy like side effects

[final notch]

It's so abstract though

[fallen hollow]

You are completely correct.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/somewhere-in-the-heavens/sekiguchi/cards

[plucky sierra]

It’d be cool

[warped harbor]

Given the supposed setting of the game - do we think there's scope for maps to be based on e.g. the Marathon itself, or other worlds?
Or does the setting seem firmly grounded in Tau Ceti for the moment?

[final notch]

I don't see us leaving Tau Ceti IV unless Mjolnerd comes into play

[slim tundra]

Cyborg rampancy is the entire plot of Marathon infintiy.

I think you're spot on for one of the storylines this game can follow will be. I think a lot of the lore for this title is going to be based on how the runners minds react to living and dying again and again and again in different shells

[plucky sierra]

There’s no way they don’t add at least a marathon map at some point in the games lifespan

[slim tundra]

Especially since, we know that it will be a few years before any new UESC ships will reach Tau Ceti - they will be relying on the "consciousness shifting" of the runners as their only way to actually get boots on the ground on Tau Ceti for the time being

[slim tundra]

Def gonna be at least 2 different POIs on Tau Ceti, and it would make a ton of sense for Marathon to have its own map as well

[final notch]

Yeah I wasn't 100% sold on this after the reveal, but once I realized we're brains elsewhere remotely piloting "shells" I was like ewww this is gross transhumanist horror (perfectly in line with Marathon!)

[plucky sierra]

Given the extraction shooter style maybe a portion of the non-playable enemies could be rampant runners, that’d be interesting

[final notch]

Someone posted this theory on the subreddit earlier and I honestly think it's the most sound theory I've heard regarding Tau Ceti IV
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1jwei9m/i_think_i_know_how_the_people_of_tau_citi_iv/

[final notch]

Or even worse, corpo owned battleroids. It'd be the Marathon equivalent to going up against Spartans

[half parcel]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/pathways.html

[neat yacht]

i like this theory a lot, but it does make me wonder why us retrieving the relics wouldn't like immediately make the same shit happen to us

[final notch]

Oh I missed that, yeah PiD is in universe

[obtuse sail]

Where is this document?

[lyric heron]

so the contract codes are well known but is there an example of how one of them was found?

[neat yacht]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/somewhere-in-the-heavens/sekiguchi/cards

[plucky sierra]

I know the connections, but they’ve always connected their games significantly so I didn’t know if it was cannon

[final notch]

Could be using runner shells instead of being there physically somehow makes a difference? Or maybe something will happen and it's only a matter of time.

[obtuse sail]

Thx bro

Is there a translated version?

[neat yacht]

chrome at least can autotranslate it, that's what i used

[final notch]

PiD and OG Marathon spoilers ||the game heavily implies that Mjolnerd is the player character from PiD repurposed into a battleroid||

[slim tundra]

RIGHT!!!

The thing is, Leela sent a message to Earth in 2794 and the message wouldnt reach there until 2886 (92 years)

BUT After Durandal took over the boomer, he jumped to earth (we dont know what year this was - but we know that it was AT THE LATEST some time around 2806)

Assuming that by teaching the humans how to make warp capable missiles - the UESC probably figured out how to warp other things to the Tau Ceti system as well. Teleporters for items, but not people. But there is a chance that they figured out some form of near-Light Speed travel for humans. That means that even with that tech, it may take around the same time to reach Tau Ceti as Leelas message did (90ish years).

Since we know that the ARG takes place in AT EARLIEST 2888.

So that means that if by 2806 they sent a ship with humans on it, the next colony ship wouldnt reach tau ceti until around 2900. So about 1 decade after the ARG - and likely this game will be set at the same time from what it seems.

So UESC, and all the big tech companies, are really going to be relying on the Runners. But at least we also have an in universe reason for how the runners could be sending items back and forth.

[half parcel]

Nah. The W'rkncacnter is bound by the laws of physics (trapped in the Lh'owan sun by gravity). The entire premise that its influence expands based on some post-modernist observer catalyst is basically out of nowhere (the citations in that post aren't even evidence indicating this is a canon ability it has).

[final notch]

This is legit, what I'm most curious about is how people are getting stuff to Tau Ceti, and especially the mechanics for how we inhabit runner shells exactly. Like are we remote viewing from the other side of the universe? Kinda gets kooky there but that's in line with Marathon

[slim tundra]

Maybe the runners are shifting FROM the colony ship on its way to Tau Ceti?

But yeah Durandal taught the UESC how to make warp missiles. So its likely that they have teleporters as well

[final notch]

I think it's bound because it's sleeping and technically not active, at least intentionally active. We do see it influence and change reality in PiD while it's "sleeping".

[slim tundra]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Gjk//H-v58-w12pcgbk_(Terminal)

This is the terminal entry from Marathon 2 chapter 5 that shows that Durandal used the Pfhor ship to warn the humans before the events of Marathon 2

We don't know the exact date he did this, but its somewhere between 2794 and 2811

[final notch]

Could very well be, crazy idea but if you're on a trip that long and you're a military force bent on getting the upper hand, you're gonna employ every option you can. They got impatient and started forcing peoples consciousness to the planet lmao.

[final notch]

Ooo but it is Marathon 2, so the big question really is what timeline is this?

Despite everything we have to reference it's hard to tell where Bungie wants to take this new story, I wouldn't be shocked if M2 is disregarded as being just many alternate timelines.

[half parcel]

It's sleeping in PiD. When you nuke the pyramid, you're just holding it back until the Jjaro can arrive to actually lock it up. In Marathon, it is described as "swimming" on the surface of the sun... so unless it's sleep-swimming, I think it's just awake and trapped.

Either way, nothing actually indicates it can expand influence by awareness of its existence.

[final notch]

I forgot about the swimming part, that's fucking scary.

[slim tundra]

The timeline question doesnt really come into play until Marathon Infinity - and Durandal taking control of the Sfiera happens in every universe. So this is still untouched

[quartz sand]

hey guys, any good sources to brush up on lore before the reveal tmro?

[slim tundra]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[quartz sand]

ty!

[half parcel]

This isn't canon, but I've always imagined the Marathon Universe operates on a single "resolved" timeline, rather than branches; invalidated timelines are just "gone" once another change makes them impossible/irrelevant.

I believe this to be the case because there is a canon concept of existing "out side of time", which implies to me that the W'rkncacnter, also likely being outside of time when free, screws with all timelines once freed - which would mean we wouldn't have been able to prevent its escape in M:Inf, after M2.

In the "outside time", the player resolved things so the W'rkncacnter is not freed, and thus that is the only timeline that exists (until some other time traveler, or Durandal-Thoth messes with it).

But I also still believe the Pattern Buffers are the canon reason that the player can "time travel", despite most people disagreeing... so...

[final notch]

Yes! I think this is the intention, and probably would have played into Halo being connected, before they had to scrap that for IP purposes (but the markings are still there....)

[fervent arch]

parallel timelines different enough for events to take a very different shape but still under the influence of the same forces in conflict

[thin sky]

whats the UESC login ?

[past gull]

do you think healing will be done with weaverworms?

[slim tundra]

Weaveworms print the shells. Theres probably something else for healing

[past gull]

yeah, but if they print it they could heal it just as well. I'm thinking 'big' healing rather than 'bandages' of course

[teal sluice]

Lmao, like a walk in weaving station if you're down to like >10% HP?

[past gull]

more like a package/large adhesive patch that you apply on yourself that contains the worms

[thin sky]

does this game have any ties with the old marathon games

[slim tundra]

yes

https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1jx2d39/how_marathon_2025_fits_into_the_timeline_of_the/

[thin sky]

oh snap so are we gonna see the aliens from the marathons games the pfhor

[slim tundra]

Theres a S'pht in the announcement trailer from 2023

[thin sky]

link to video would be very kind good sir

i found the video nvm what erm time stamp is it at

[brisk ivy]

The UESC marathon had teleporters in Marathon I tbh

[slim tundra]

46s

[verbal plover]

Do we know anything about any of the runners?

[thin sky]

oh snap

[slim tundra]

But the teleporters are short range. Not across lightyears. The whole point of Marathon was that the ship was on their own with no way to get help from earth.

[thin sky]

so we fighting runners and aliens when game comes out?

[slim tundra]

Likely. We find out for sure tomorrow

[thin sky]

cant wait

[misty goblet]

This

[slim tundra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1jx2d39/how_marathon_2025_fits_into_the_timeline_of_the/

Yeah this summary kinda puts it all together

[brisk ivy]

Marathon was orbiting a colony at the time

[final notch]

This might be one of the best summary's of how Marathon functions

[brisk ivy]

Perhaps the game lore is shells fighting over remains from the colony on behalf of the various AIs, recovering equipment and the like

[misty goblet]

Relatively short ranged is probably a better word to use

Defs feels long ranged since in M2 you and enemies teleport in more frequently to places

reminds me
If the compiler is ingame, Will we see other Pfhor??

[brisk ivy]

Hopefully

[slim tundra]

Yes, thats short range. teleporting from orbit to surface doesnt require lightspeed

[white sapphire]

anyone know how to complete contract? Get eyes on UE-ID Threat Assessment of prior instigation

[warped cairn]

did anyone do something to trigger the maintenance?

[unborn pumice]

note from compiler: this is just a copypasta I send when I see people asking about contracts it is not my work and I apologise to others if it seems like I’m spamming it but I’m just here to help out this amazing community so here we go

MARATHON CONTRACTS GUIDE

There are Marathon related contracts to complete in this discord server.
The reward for completing contracts is some sort of points you accumulate but it is unclear what we do with them at the moment.
To complete them, you have to type /contract and you'll see a text box show up. Paste the following codes in the box:
Note: There's a 300 second cooldown timer between entering each contract.

Offspring of the Apollo
c1172313-dd5f-4d4d-bee5-6020d16870ee

Starting Line
1613e115-c614-4448-a5cf-0e1d1e63380b

Encrypted Sight
1027ccd0-57b9-4047-9886-1b084761ffbc

A Code in the Code
31CAEA19-6615-4A9A-B003-C4172EE7B489

There are two other contracts that require different actions:

InfilTRAITOR
Accuse the spy (@magic isle) using the /accuse-spy command. Note: there are multiple people with that name in the discord. Make sure you're selecting the user with the username and display name of @magic isle

Bad Pattern Recognition
Use /pattern-recognition command and type XIPE. You'll then receive a unique code that can be copied and pasted in the /command text box. Note: make sure you're viewing most recent posts in this channel so you can copy the unique code.

So, there are 6 total contracts that are completable right now (a 7th contract called 10/10 is available but requires completion of all 10 contracts, which isn't currently possible).
Feel free to repost this to help others.
For those trying to gatekeep codes and such, read the community guidelines for this server, "This server is your hub for connecting, sharing, and collaborating with fellow players as well as our dedicated Marathon development team".
This is a collaborative effort and we should encourage helping others!

-Sampo

[robust hound]

escapewillmakemegod.com is fake?

[brisk ivy]

Do we ever get a lore reason why the aliens wanted to capture the UESC Marathon (but decided to disregard the colony)

[upbeat jackal]

They invaded the colony too. But 9 Mjolnir Mark IV cyborgs fended them off.

[brisk ivy]

They nuked the colony according to the terminals

[upbeat jackal]

According to the Marathon 2 end screen, yeah. Doesn't seem nuked down to bedrock to me.

[robust hound]

yeah just figured it out when i got the password haha

[brisk ivy]

The Marathon 1 Terminal (3 or 4) says that they were:

• A bit disorganized because Marathon was so large
• Bombed the shit out of the colony

I have my own assumption as to why they wanted Marathon but idk if there was any reason actually given

[upbeat jackal]

Ah, I see. Get through all the terminals :)

[brisk ivy]

“The only thing which seems clear is that the spaceport was
obliterated by low-yield nuclear weapons minutes after the
attack on the Marathon began. This I can verify through my
own optical instruments.”

(Level 29-B, Section 10)

[fallen hollow]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon-1/arrival/bigger-guns-nearby#h.vjdrmq6omej4

[white sapphire]

okay I noticed you put codes underneath each mission what do i do with the codes?

[brisk ivy]

Oh nvm, seems my assumption was correct

[stuck delta]

Does the piano music on the radio channel 111.1 have any significance lore wise?

[stark flint]

has anyone reversed the audio on the glitched speech radio frequencies?

[normal crypt]

[stiff granite]

hi

[round verge]

Whats Cyac all about?

[ivory sinew]

Cyber Acme is cryptic so far

They seem to be tied to the Terminals

[quasi valley]

vs

[gloomy veldt]

So which faction is like the weapons manufacturers would you say? I make (fake) weapons irl and think it is funny if I joined that group

[quasi valley]

Prob Traxus

[gloomy veldt]

Lovely I’ll stay there then

[quasi valley]

Although MIDA probably makes homemade weapons/explosives and such

[ivory sinew]

Yes TRAXUS

[somber oasis]

The same MIDA?

[gloomy veldt]

Mmmmh that’s more akin to what I do but I’m quite literally making my own blaster rn as a project

[hollow spade]

How are yall getting that cool color and flair for your name?

[ivory sinew]

Sekiguchi is the Biotech for making shells for Runners to pilot

[quasi valley]

Traxus will be more industrialized than MIDA

[gloomy veldt]

Yeah that’s more akin to my field. Sweet thanks

[lucid knot]

how do you choose a role/faction

[ivory sinew]

MIDA is the rebellion

[undone flame]

Speaking of Sekiguchi, come join us, we have worms, Benjamin, and more worms (do not the cat)

[ivory sinew]

@fallen hollow Yes the tech is shared

[torpid elm]

Go to "Channels & Roles" on the channel select side bar at the top

[reef verge]

What’s the faction lore

[lucid knot]

thank you

[sour jetty]

did we find a new code for any of the contracts after anti-product?

[faint widget]

how did the 🫃 lore start

[stark flint]

anyone know anything about the login for the uesc website???

[weary flax]

the server icon is a gif which says XIPE what does this mean

[weary flax]

oh because 🏳️‍⚧️

[fallen hollow]

https://marathon.karnemir.com

[steel gale]

🫃

[zenith acorn]

💹 💹 💹 💹 💹 💹 💹 💹 💹

[velvet thunder]

Aztec god of sowing or planting

[quartz phoenix]

sick site man

[prisma cape]

This is awesome dude, what’s the tech stack?

Is Schema like a JS framework? I haven’t heard of that

[onyx falcon]

🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃

[stark flint]

yall seen the traxus website?

[valid nimbus]

.

[prisma cape]

Nice! Super cool

[final island]

Ah the calmest place in the server

[subtle wagon]

IT'S GOING FAST

[jovial notch]

Oh wow I can actually breathe here

[subtle wagon]

whoops wrong room lmao

[remote widget]

Quick rundown on CyAc? I understand the other factions

[ashen needle]

Cyac is a software and os company. It made the os for the Marathon ship in the original games.

[quasi valley]

Computer terminals

[remote widget]

Ohhh, thanks!

[glass peak]

[jovial notch]

You are a saint, thank you

[brisk ivy]

typing

[radiant shore]

I need faction lore, idk what to pick 😫

[exotic estuary]

Yeah a basic broad description, like a sentence or two, for each faction would do wonders

[magic merlin]

do you wanna build worlds, weapons, satellites, and vehicles? then traxus is for you

cyac is programming nerds
sekaguchi is biotech
nucaloric is space amazon and space goya
mida is space revolutionaries
uesc is space government
traxus is space defense contractors, world builders, and vehicles builders

[brisk ivy]

Join the worms

[quasi valley]

Leader: Lisan al Gaib
Strategy: Take money from both sides (UESC & MIDA)
Goal: Build more

[hollow escarp]

Got to pick uesc

[exotic estuary]

Because I picked because I like the name but the chats are kinda blurred because it's discord and people here are lemmings. Hell pin the comment of someone who gives all 5

[magic merlin]

can’t build more worms without the ground traxus provided

[brisk ivy]

Cant run traxus without us worms

[magic merlin]

@exotic estuary

[obtuse sail]

[exotic estuary]

Thank you

[radiant shore]

Thanks for the lore homies, I shall contemplate.

[slow fable]

So like, Mida lost all the battleroids sent to take over Tau Ceti, so we're coming back with biomata shells to finish the job

[exotic estuary]

Also yeah Traxus is my go.

[magic merlin]

this is the right answer

[hollow escarp]

Uesc

[open moth]

Guys i heard that NuCaloric products have microplastics in them.

-# This user is known to spread misinformation at the behest of the Traxus corporation
-# ↀ Only you can see this. • Review

[dusk saffron]

So Durandal, Curtana are loose references to earth weapons in history. Is there any connection like that to Rasputin in destiny?⁷

[exotic herald]

Strauss ain't dead, calling it

[radiant shore]

I have selected

[hollow escarp]

strong choice

[exotic herald]

Durandal is the sword in Charlemagne's story "The Song of Roland". An unbreakable weapon.

[dusk saffron]

Oh!

[hollow escarp]

said to be made of meteoric iron

[exotic herald]

We have yet to get the AI that represents Joyeuse, the holy sword of Charlemagne himself

[proven brook]

Where is the site to input a DAC?

[hollow escarp]

since it was the purest iron, having came from a meteor they thought it was literally "from the heavens".
having been sent an unbreakable weapon from heaven is the will of God.

[dusk saffron]

Somewhere in the heavens

[dusky osprey]

oh nevermind it's just not capslocked

[reef kite]

/dac

[proven brook]

/dac

[ripe kite]

/dac

[hybrid zephyr]

/dac

[hazy tulip]

/dac

[stark flint]

where on twitter are people sending the grid from the uesc website

[coral panther]

/dac

[pallid harness]

/dac

[twin saffron]

/dac

[warm birch]

my dac expired 😭

[summer stump]

/dac

[subtle oxide]

/dac

[warm birch]

/dac

[steep scaffold]

/dac

[subtle oxide]

/dac

[raw abyss]

/dac

[glossy flower]

/dac

[shell marsh]

/dac

[safe edge]

/dac

[lyric pewter]

/dac

[pliant cargo]

/dac

[proven root]

/dac

[plucky cedar]

/dac

[jolly bronze]

/dac

[warped aspen]

/dac

[unique mural]

/dac

[blazing fox]

/dac

[carmine prism]

/dac

[patent seal]

/dac

[worn fox]

/dac

[charred plaza]

/dac

[brisk quarry]

/dac

[grim dock]

/dac

[solar vault]

/dac

[toxic harness]

/dac

[worn fox]

/DAC

[frail orchid]

/dac

[wild rose]

/dac

[fleet wing]

/dac

[exotic herald]

My guess is that the game is going to focus a lot more on what the Marathon left behind. 300 years is a long time, and for corporations like Traxus to survive, they have probably taken a large amount of power. The Pfor probably never stopped coming to Tau Ceti IV, probably because there’s Jjaro tech there that Bernard Strauss uncovered with the remaining colonists and subsequently caused their collapse.

Imagine a battleroid as a boss to kill.

[bright notch]

/dac

[brisk ivy]

agreed

[pearl moon]

/dac

[sinful prism]

/dac

[sinful flax]

/dac

[bright notch]

/DAC

[exotic herald]

Probably other implications that the S’Pht are an enemy as of now. We’re the mercs sent to uncover what went wrong, but the problem is that we showed up before the distress call could reach earth.

[brisk ivy]

My personal assumption was that we're robots being used to squabble over limited resources by whatever AIs remain

[exotic herald]

I feel like it might end out with us fighting a w'rkncacnter, there have to be effects from Infinity that rippled out.

[brisk ivy]

likely

[exotic herald]

Yeah that’s the likely possibility. Could be sent there by interests around Earth but being played by the fragments of Leela and Tycho.

The extraction genre will play really well into a terminal based story

[exotic estuary]

/dac

[idle girder]

/dac

[dusk ivy]

/dac3

[final notch]

I've been throwing the battleroid idea too, it'd function as an in raid boss and it's the universe equivalent to a Spartan, that'd be terrifying to go up against.

[craggy pilot]

/dac

[sudden hamlet]

has anyone figured out the username and passcode sticker on the stream yet?

[modern spear]

/dac

[round terrace]

/dac

[somber cave]

/dac

[queen cedar]

/dac

[craggy pilot]

/dac

[fickle junco]

/dac

[ivory thistle]

/dac

[mossy stag]

/dac

[plush prawn]

/dac

[hollow lotus]

Do we know what Tau Connect is?

Or TerraLink?

[rigid wedge]

/dac

[wet garden]

/dac

[toxic nexus]

/dac

[native mauve]

/dac

[turbid apex]

/dac

[regal depot]

/dac

[errant panther]

/dac

[viral citrus]

/dac

[simple garden]

/dac

/dac

[bleak basin]

/dac

[sand python]

/dac

[light pumice]

/dac

[cursive flume]

/dac

[astral oyster]

/dac

[void berry]

/dac

[native mauve]

/DAC

[neon moon]

/dac

[wheat forge]

/dac

[slow fable]

riveting lore this dac is

[hidden pelican]

/dac

[blissful light]

oughh im dacing it ough

[fiery trail]

/dac

[brisk ivy]

They need a dang bot commands channel

[velvet marten]

/dac