📚marathon-lore-discussion

[violet sapphire]

We do have a pseudo-AI, the SI Cy:rus that CYaC/Traxus run on their site. He’s not a true AI tho and idk if you could induce Rampancy on an SI

[austere dune]

Wintermute vs Durandal who wins

[rapid gust]

what is a DAC? I thought I would ask here since this is where the smart people reside

[primal surge]

ARG does mention 8(?) planet side AIs so we'll have some friends around definitely

[dull ocean]

We just kinda have to wait and see with that

[upbeat jackal]

They wouldn't introduce so many for no reason.

[vestal tide]

Not much disposal to be done in a cat’s body

[lunar monolith]

durandal clears. Kfhiva diff.

[dull ocean]

DAC is an image used in the ARG, literally no lore there afaik

[fluid ermine]

Direct Access Card, It was used in the ARG to unveil the gameplay reveal date

[violet sapphire]

Ya definitely, AI will definitely be involved in some way but there’s no way to tell yet. It’d be cool if we were AI being implanted into the runners

[trail oar]

Am I crazy or does the leaked song say the AI nicknames from the ARG

[rapid gust]

so no point at all?

[vestal tide]

None, ignore it

[primal surge]

DAC is a digital access card, something UESC probably used to access their and traxus systems, but it's probably only an ARG thing

[trail oar]

It’s just a generic keycard

[violet sapphire]

Also, 0 mention of the W’rkncacnter, phfor, or S’pht yet, very conspicuously missing from any type of mention

[unborn lynx]

Well, you can make hella dick jokes with it

[rapid gust]

lmao

[primal surge]

The Ozymandias poem or you mean something else? The codenames were listed somewhere and there was speculation one of them could be Joyuse

[austere dune]

Why would they spoil their dinner? DLC BABY

[dull ocean]

S'pht were shown in the og trailer

[hearty talon]

I wonder if that primordial chaos is gonna be in the new game

[vestal tide]

What if it’s class based? Each AI’s personality is tailored to your class

[violet sapphire]

Ya I think they could do a Halo reach covenant type reveal too, like oh shit they’re here

[primal surge]

S'pht were shown in a trailer I believe

[violet sapphire]

Oh yeah totally forgot we saw the compiler already my bad

[unborn lynx]

I don't think they're gonna be the main pve enemy ngl

[weak ginkgo]

Typo in channel topic lol

[fluid ermine]

the W'rkncacnter, If present, mark the end of everything. They were dealt with in Infinity. The Pfhor and the S'pht IDK, pretty sure one of the S'pht was seen in the original teaser trailer

[violet sapphire]

I have no idea how they’d even begin to implement the W’rkncacnter that’s a crazy tough story beat to play well

[trail oar]

They shouldn’t bother with the w’rk

[lean gate]

yeah that wouldnt work its too big in scale

[primal surge]

Not the main no, it's entirely possible they won't even be fully hostile since they were freed from pfhor control after all, but who knows, maybe the UESC committed some atrocities on them and they angy now

[dull ocean]

I hope this games story is good and keeps the weird mystery of the og

[violet sapphire]

Yeah ur dead before u even know what happened. Luckily, infinity leaves the door open for this game to take place in a completely different timeline so they can get away with a lot

[unborn lynx]

I mean my money is on them rolling out down the line, since yk live service and all

[lean gate]

i reallyyyyyyyyyy wanna see hostile fauna like in the cycle. thatd be awesome

[violet sapphire]

I could see them implementing multiple S’pht clans, some are hostile some aren’t since there’s 11 of them

[fluid ermine]

maybe there are some of the originally enslaved races in the Pfhor, down on Tau-Cati? The Colonists apparently just randomly disapearred without a trace so there's a lot in the realm of possibilities

[primal surge]

W'rk is also fairly far away from TC, and as y'all said, way to big of a deal to bring into the games

[dull ocean]

Maybe we get the weird frog things back as enemies

[lean gate]

this game takes place before the colony is attacked, right?

[trail oar]

I can see them shooting the clones running around them with guns out of self defense

[violet sapphire]

They may not have disappeared, but they’re refusing to repair their communication array. Maybe they’re dead, maybe MIDA is in charge we aren’t sure yet

[fluid ermine]

long after I believe

[dull ocean]

No, it takes place after marathons story

[trail oar]

After, but said attack seemingly didn’t happen. It’s a reboot

[primal surge]

Unknown still, I don't think they're retconning the colony wipe, there is some shenannigans going on

[dull ocean]

Not a reboot, they expressly stated that

[fluid ermine]

Very true considering MIDA planted a bunch of stuff on the Marathon.

[violet sapphire]

I hope boomer is a map in the game that’d be so cool. It’d be sick to add Tycho’s ship too and have it mess with our cybernetics

[primal surge]

Unfortunately, boomer went boom

[lean gate]

maybe its a different timeline then

[violet sapphire]

May be a different timeline (please bungie bring boomer back this is cope)

[trail oar]

Clearly not the original continuity. Different designs, different events, new lore.
Just because it uses the original story as a blueprint, doesn’t mean it’s a direct sequel.

It’s been 30 years, Marathon has been over for a long time.

[lean gate]

yeah im guessing theyre doing the marathon infinity thing and setting it in a parallel universe

[dull ocean]

https://x.com/BungieHelp/status/1661543130607517696

[primal surge]

Yeah, but I still wouldn't jump on the retcon wagon this fast, since we haven't even been shown the game or told what's going on

[lean gate]

its probably just a parallel universe thing. it would make sense in the lore and given what we've been told about it not being a remake or sequel it is a decent guess

[golden falcon]

It's already been confirmed to be in the same universe/continuity

[frank haven]

There’s plenty of space for it to exist in the current canon without any issues for sure

[violet sapphire]

i don't think it'll be a full on retcon, there might be some timeline bleed going on

[fluid ermine]

ARG is like 10 years before the game's timeline from what I deduced off of the google doc that people used to crack puzzles. In the ARG MIDA is getting a clear foothold on the race to get to PROGO, but in the original teaser trailer, we see the silkworms being exclusively Traxus, there has got to be some interesting lore to be filled in there.

[lean gate]

still the original colony had 24,000 and now it has 30,000 colonists which just disappeared

[golden falcon]

IIRC, the first ARG gave us some dates and it seemingly just is set a long time after the original games

[trail oar]

❖ Is this a remake or a sequel to the original Marathon Trilogy?

The game takes place in the same world as the original Marathon trilogy but is not a remake or direct sequel.

[primal surge]

Direct sequel would, in my mind at least, mean a continuation of M2

[trail oar]

It’s not remaking the originals, but it’s not continuing them either. It’s a new story, using the originals as a lore Bible.

[violet sapphire]

PROGO memos + 300 years probably give us the best estimate of timeline, unless they've improved space travel

[hearty talon]

They said trilogy specifically

[golden falcon]

Infinity ending is also the ending of 2, effectively. So yeah

[primal surge]

The only dates I remember from the ARG is the colony contact being lost at the same time as it's told to have happened in M2 and the new ship, equanimity, leaving earth a couple of years after that, and it arriving in TC some 100 odd years later

[vestal tide]

I’m choosing to read this as || “infinity set up multiple timelines and this one of them” ||

It would also explain why the art style is so different (other than it being cool, which it is)

[fluid ermine]

Definetly seems this way because of the NuCaloric brand

[dull ocean]

Let me hope that they haven't retconned anything at least 😭

[violet sapphire]

i mean there's no mention of the big corps from numarathon in the original games from what i can remember, so it has to differ pretty significantly

[primal surge]

Traxus and Cyberacme are mentioned, but sekiguchi is new

And UESC ofc

[trail oar]

The Marathon itself is literally retconned lol

[dull ocean]

Just let me be hopefull :(

[proper pine]

in what way do you mean

[violet sapphire]

true, forgot the OG terminals were all CYAC too

[fluid ermine]

Durandal actually referred to the loss of a timeline, considering all possibilites within them as jewels, and the death as such. What to throw away, and what to keep?

[trail oar]

The original Marathon was literally inside Deimos, which was hollowed out. Now it’s a giant ship rammed through the moon

[proper pine]

deimos looks pretty hollowed out to me

[primal surge]

M1 ends with you celebrating victory on the marathon, in M2 you suddenly wake up in lo'whon with Durandal, who supposedly left before the celebrations but still somehow kidnapped you, and stuff like that

[hearty talon]

LOL

[dull ocean]

It could still be built into deimos, it's just the design is different

[golden falcon]

brother that moon IS Deimos

[trail oar]

Read it again lol

[primal surge]

It is, but the OG ship was just the moon, no ship attached

[trail oar]

That’s what I said.

[primal surge]

Also the new deimos is the wrong shape

[hearty talon]

So there was no original “ship”? It was built in the hollowed Deimos?

[elder agate]

Beyond the actual shape of Deimos being different, the timeline of Durandal warning earth about the pfhor, Tycho obliterating the colony, and Blake returning was all within a span of 18 years, so, somehow Earth had to get access to the info the colony was in as bad of shape as it was between Leela restoring comms and the trip to the galactic core right? It's probably a new timeline entirely

[frank haven]

Mars sold it for lunch money

[dull ocean]

No, you said it's a ship rammed into deimos. Not the same thing

[primal surge]

It was the hollowed deimos

[violet sapphire]

ya, its one of the reasons MIDA got major popular support. Martians wanted to turn Deimos into a CRIST but it was used as a colonial ship instead

[trail oar]

Omg semantics 😂

[elder agate]

Rip space potato. Long live comet ship 🥔

[hearty talon]

That’s so sick. “Hey this moon isn’t useful anymore, let’s make it a ship” LOL

[dull ocean]

That's not semantics that's two incredibly different things. A ship rammed into a moon and a ship built from a moon are VERY DIFFERENT

[trail oar]

It was useful

That’s why the UESC repossessed it

[golden falcon]

theyve said its the same though

[frank haven]

I think he was describing it visually but literally

[upbeat jackal]

They are still treating it as Deimos. MIDA has multiple imagery about the "lost child" of mars. Hopefully they've made the outer moon more potato-like, I think I saw that in the new trailer.

[elder agate]

The moon is smaller than a super star destroyer. 10 is miles big enough for entire cities to be built inside. I don't like the spire

[hearty talon]

@trail oar OOH why did they want it?

[violet sapphire]

it could also be that the original Marathon (ship) was destroyed or significantly damaged and they conducted repairs, which is why it looks the way it does now

[trail oar]

The new ship isn’t built from the moon, it’s just suspended inside it.
I said rammed in as in the ship was stuffed through the moon instead of being built out of it.

[proper pine]

i just dont think deimos being the wrong shape really matters that much personally, may sound like "fake fan" shit but I really don't give that much of a fuck if the Marathon looks like a potato, the redesign on its own is quite a cool looking ship imo

[fluid ermine]

What if Traxus has been controlling Leela and Tycho like how Durandal was controlled by Bernard and MIDA? What if they intentional caused a rucuss with the Pfhor in order to gain a foothold or something. Of course, why? NuCaloric kinda shows the place was run by Traxus already. Plus in the og teaser, we seen silkworm technology being used by Traxus, as if they made their own silkworms.

[kindred marsh]

i wouldn’t complain about it until bungie gives an explanation or lack thereof

[whole frost]

Ok - So, how many types of worms are there? I know there are SILKworms and WEAVERworms... are the other "worms" mentioned security code type stuff?

[dull ocean]

It could still be built from the moon it could just look like that. And yeah my guess it's that a different ship hit the Marathon which is why it looks like that

[violet sapphire]

to build the marathon: the two major decisions were making it into an orbiting platform to store supplies for the martians who were in a bad shape, or turn it into the marathon to colonize tau ceti. UESC picked the marathon

[trail oar]

Power. The people inside were going to populate Tau Ceti, the place the new game is set in, expanding UESC territory.

[elder agate]

It's less of a fake fan thing and more why does the irl space body not look like it used to?

[primal surge]

UESC (earth) wanted it for a colony ship, which it became. Mars wanted it to become a CRIST, a cargo vessel to move supplies from earth to the starving mars

[golden falcon]

the new design still has the moon part hollowed out and the ship attached to/built into it. still looks cool, imo

[violet sapphire]

i think its the original marathon put together w duct tape and bubblegum i wont lie

[dull ocean]

I really hope they didn't retcon anything

[placid mountain]

wouldn’t really have to

[trail oar]

They don’t really need to with how vague most of it is.

[dull ocean]

Which is why I am hoping they don't

[placid mountain]

would just be a different timeline either way

[frank haven]

What actually happens in the games is kind of self-contained within the context of the games so they could easily make this without having to retcon anything, it’s just more story in the same universe

[fluid ermine]

I think it's just a redesign because it definitely fits the place as the Marathon. In the logo of Marathon, it's a circle with THAT Marathon silhouetted.

[violet sapphire]

the marathon can synthesize pretty much anything needed to repair itself on board though so it's a pretty drastic change from the "repaired ship" perspective

[primal surge]

Nah, they definitely used some eldritch 5 dimensional artifacts to construct it, seeing the layout of the ship

[kindred marsh]

modern bungie definitely knows how deimos is shaped based on destiny so i’m sure they will give some kind of explanation

[dull ocean]

It'd be really funny if that ship just wasn't the marathon

[violet sapphire]

too many grenade jumps broke the marathon into pieces, they HAD to fix it!

[hearty talon]

@primal surge fr??

[primal surge]

A joke, Marathon 1 is known for some esoteric mapdesign

[dull ocean]

Oh yeah the og marathon did actually break how space works huh. I forgot about that

[proper pine]

either that or there's a potential redesign, and the teaser trailer (like any) was most likely concepts

[elder agate]

Couch fishing, blaspheme quarantine, a number of levels bend space

[kindred marsh]

yeah it is important to note that that was in 2023

[violet sapphire]

pre-directorial swap too

[quaint pecan]

Could honestly be because Deimos isn’t aesthetically pleasing

[proper pine]

though if there is a redesign I'll miss this current one of the new marathon, i actually think it looks kind of sick

[golden falcon]

S'pht being present in the new game is very intriguing

[arctic cape]

whats up with the cat?

[violet sapphire]

especially specifically compilers

[proper pine]

idk why this is such an unpopular opinion for marathon people, deimos is a very ugly ship shape

[primal surge]

Is a prototype biomata, not much else to go off at the moment

[kindred marsh]

what’s the difference? sorry for noob

[elder agate]

It's a great concept to have a ship built out of a hole in an asteroid but having the literal rock drifting like an ugly cybernetic comet was the appeal

[arctic cape]

whats a biomata

[quaint pecan]

It’s a game some people cherish and they don’t like to see things change.

[golden falcon]

side note: shout out to your NeoTokyo avatar

[dull ocean]

Because this is the first time Marathon as a series has been relevant in a while and it's nice when the design matches the original

[primal surge]

Biological robot made by sekiguchi

[fluid ermine]

it transfers memories, but does it tranfer conscious?

[frank haven]

Luckily, those original works still exist and aren’t being retroactively changed or anything

[arctic cape]

sekiguchi is like the clovis bray of this world?

[primal surge]

According to the sekgen ads, yes? But take that with a grain of salt, lmao

[kindred marsh]

more advanced than exos seemingly

[quaint pecan]

The game is called Marathon. They wanted the ship to be iconic just like something like the Traveler is to Destiny

[violet sapphire]

no worries at all im just glad ur excited to learn dude. Compilers are the big cloaked dudes from the og trilogy, who are cybernetic slaves to the P'fhor. Since the timeline is in limbo, we don't know if they're still enslaved, because in the originals they completely disappeared after being freed

[primal surge]

Mmmm, nah, CB is more nefarious and allencompassing

[golden falcon]

even matches the logo now!

[dull ocean]

They already had good iconography they can infact just keep the ship the same

[violet sapphire]

i rep it where i can

[kindred marsh]

i know all that, but what is the difference between compilers and s’pht?

[arctic cape]

more advanced is crazy, yeah my stocks are high on this game tho ive wanted to play an extraction for a little while. my only gripe is that i only have a mac at the moment

[proper pine]

i guess so, i just don't really fw the "ugly potato with stuff on it" design unless they can actually make it an interesting design

[kindred marsh]

playing marathon on a mac is super og coded

[quaint pecan]

You can also see another angle of the Marathon on artstation (unless it was deleted not sure)

[violet sapphire]

well the true form of the S'pht is the S'pht'Kr, as all the other clans have been enslaved. Since we see them as Compilers, we know the P'hfor is around even if they haven't been shown

[primal surge]

Well, the marathon timeline is kinda what would've happened if no traveller and no darkness to mess with humanitys golden age

[dull ocean]

I don't think every game needs a "cool icon in the game" and also it's SUPPOSED TO BE UGLY. It's purposefully a mess of a ship that was barely held together and went through a full alien invasion. It makes sense for it too not focus on looks because it's not supposed to be pretty

[elder agate]

A lot of the ship being cool was that it was a real life not round moon

[primal surge]

Instead we had bill clinton make deals with aliens

[proper pine]

alright, dont gotta yell

[violet sapphire]

i really hope there's some pathways references, seeing the demon from the end come back would be so cool

[primal surge]

You mean the dreamt up S'pht?

[austere stag]

i mean there was an entire game of pathways references

[arctic cape]

i just hope its available thru GFN at least, otherwise im forced to have to buy a console

[remote bronze]

also worth noting that their homeworld was obliterated

[violet sapphire]

is that what he's supposed to be? i always just thought it was left ambiguous

[quaint pecan]

Part of me felt like Rhulks pyramid was a callback to pathways

[primal surge]

It's just a theory but the visuals sure match

[fluid ermine]

I'm mostly interested in how Traxus seemingly got a foothold in Tau-Ceti IV. In NuMarathon, everything indicates Traxus being the MC-like force, they're logo is everywhere, even in the new reveal date. In the ARG files, MIDA seems to have an advantage though. I wonder why Traxus is so deeply involved, maybe it would explain more about the scene of the game.

[kindred marsh]

is pathways not literally a marathon prequel? since the alien race was the jjaro and the primordial thing in the pyramid was the w'rkncacnter. i’m operating purely off youtube info rn.

[dull ocean]

The pyramid ships in general are basically a pathways reference

[remote bronze]

there are some really interesting parallels between marathon's story and halo's. the first game is essentially Halo CE and Halo 2 mashed together and repainted

[frank haven]

Bungie’s world building is so good, this is easily one of the things I’m most excited for

[violet sapphire]

yep it's a prequel, i just never knew what the demon was supposed to be

[primal surge]

It's a loose prequel, it's not really canon from what I understand but it's the usual bungie fuckery

[dull ocean]

Halo was originally planned to be a sequel to marathon but the got scrapped at some point in development (supposedly)

[violet sapphire]

in the terminal there's also references to sekiguchi, traxus, and MIDA working together on fucking up the UESC, im very very curious about the same thing. each corp maybe had a group of sleeper agents and biomata capabilities

[remote bronze]

yeah i don't buy that :p
heard it before but i've yet to see any evidence for that conclusion

[primal surge]

I mean it's pretty damn evident

[violet sapphire]

monkey ballz LMAO (halo early dev codename)

[fluid ermine]

I haven't seen that terminal, do you know what game it's from?

[remote bronze]

no not really. if we're saying the similarities of the story is evidence that it was supposed to be a sequel, then you could say the same thing about destiny

[trail oar]

Cortana Letters

[violet sapphire]

it's from ARG 2, one of the security logs i think i'd have to go back thru

[remote bronze]

here's something interesting: when is Marathon 202X supposed to be set? it took the UESC marathon 300 years to get to Tau Ceti IV, so how exactly is MIDA here too? it might imply that they got a hold of Pfhor FTL technology in order to get there quicker

[fluid ermine]

thx, ima look into that a bit more

[violet sapphire]

ya im at work but i think its :/Legislation/Security/Cybersecurity, i THINK, it might've been in one of the PROGO memos

[primal surge]

The story, the marathon symbol being everywhere, cortana letters, durandal/curtana, guilty spark speech, rampancy, pfhor/covenant, flood being a cut M2 enemy

[austere stag]

Tau Ceti is about 12 light years away. all you need is a sufficiently high-impulse engine to get up to the appropriate fraction of C and decelerate on the approach

[violet sapphire]

they're hidden on the marathon most likely. makes sense with the ARG with unauthorized terminal access attempts

[kindred marsh]

it took the UESC Marathon 300 years to travel with a ship built 300 years ago. They could have made major advancements to space travel in that timeframe back home.

[primal surge]

They've given the timeline of the new ship, equanimity, reaching TC in rougly 2890 or so, so around that I think

[austere stag]

the game is set around 2895 or so, it took 97 years for the UESC expedition to reach it and they started spinning things up in 2795 (i.e., one year after Marathon 1)

[violet sapphire]

the unauthorized access attempts are being made by traxus employees, which is probably an important detail

[dull ocean]

It's set around 100 years after the og trilogy and my guess is this is a new MIDA

[primal surge]

Can't say trilogy cause.. Uh.. Infinity

[remote bronze]

i'll draw the same parallels between marathon and destiny
the story, the marathon symbol being everywhere, the number 7, rampancy, AI

[austere stag]

the marathon taking 300 years was presumably because it was easier to push a whole-ass moon to 4% of lightspeed rather than the 12% for something like the equanimity which is a lot smaller

[bright jay]

Hold up, what is infinity supposed to be?

[kindred marsh]

where is rampancy in destiny?

[brave aurora]

Infinity is the Marathon multiverse, but saying that makes me a little ill.

[dull ocean]

Ok trilogy*

[remote bronze]

also, if it was supposed to be a marathon sequel and those are all just leftovers, then why exactly do they persist through the entire halo trilogy

[trail oar]

Guilty Spark speech is not a marathon reference. That was a gag for the Mandalore video.
The speech was foreshadowing that humanity were the forerunners.

[kindred marsh]

i think bungie just likes having all their games interconnected in some way

[dull ocean]

Because people would ask what happened to them if they just vanished???? They had a lot of leftovers from marathon and then used those to make a new story

[brave aurora]

They like playing with common themes, for sure.

[remote bronze]

i think bungie is a bunch of nerds who like to reference their other stuff and reuse ideas they liked
(which is perfectly normal)

[violet sapphire]

because its cool as fuck

[primal surge]

D2 story doesn't have the parallels M and Halo have, neither does it have rampancy themes, AI exist sure, but in very different capacities, 7 is shared by all bungo games, and the marathon symbols in Destiny are nowhere near the Halo levels

[trail oar]

Rampancy is in Oni and Halo both.

[remote bronze]

"hey how come this symbol isn't in the second game"
i don't think anybody is gonna be asking that :p

[brave aurora]

it definitely has "do you trust AI that can hurt you or not" themes, at least

[violet sapphire]

ya, jason jones also wanted to make destiny distinctly different from my understanding of the development process

[twin bramble]

Destiny has a lot of direct references. Specifically Grimoire Card Rasputin 4 and Book of Sorrows 5:8, as well as Mida multi and mini tools

[primal surge]

Sure, but it's not comparable to the AI insights of halo and marathon

[remote bronze]

this is true, but you're comparing traces to less traces. it's just because it's the same developer and it was a time where it was more like "a bunch of guys got together and made a game" than "a massive multi-billion dollar machine churned out another executable for the masses to consume"

[frank haven]

Plus over the years there have been a lot more writers that have come and gone on the team

[brave aurora]

I agree it's very different, just asking similar question is all, but it's almost like they reach different conclusions, which I find really interesting

[sharp birch]

THE WITNESS IS A GIANT BLACK COMPILER

RHULK A RED PFHOR FIGHTER

[trail oar]

Still curious as to whether or not the MIDA guns will be part of the new lore. The text has some pretty big info regarding Durandal and Strauss

[vapid lotus]

traveler == the marathon in a different universe where it was never destroyed from a phfor attack, which is actually a universe you visit in marathon infinity 🤔

[trail oar]

The Hive are literally Pfhor

[frank haven]

Maybe we will finally see mida mega tool

[kindred marsh]

i’m genuinely convinced they just pulled subjugators from the pfhor they made for this game

[violet sapphire]

the strauss reference is probably the craziest one, but it does leave it ambiguous if he's dead in that description or not, just that he's "gone" iirc

[haughty sapphire]

I havnt seen anyone else talk about how the Marathon logo = the reclaimer logo in halo, I mean shit even guilty sparks face is the logo

[dull ocean]

People would absolutely be asking that

[austere stag]

destiny lore having lots of marathon references is because the people who wrote the lore are huge nerds and for some of them marathon and its story was one of those formative games that hit them like a freight rain

[trail oar]

Joe Staten specifically wrote it into Contact Harvest as well.

[haughty sapphire]

I guess maybe bc it’s so obvious I havnt seen anyone else talk about, I’ve also seen alotttt of Destiny fans talkin in here, some of which have never played halo

[primal surge]

No no no, this is the asleep theory, the true third eye opening theory is the beautiful crackpot theory that the traveller is actually the W'rkncacnter and the witness is the Jjarro

[trail oar]

The Marathon logo being used by the Forerunners was a clue that they were human.

[dull ocean]

My pet theory is that destiny was supposed to be a lot more connected to the marathon universe before the original story got scrapped

[trail oar]

In Halo we see both humans and forerunners conveniently using the same symbol on everything.

[haughty sapphire]

I thought the logo just represents the mantle of responsibility and the humans (reclaimers)

[abstract adder]

in halo it does now, but originally it was just a Marathon reference

[austere stag]

nah because the grimoire peeps were brought in late in development, iirc and it's the grimoire where most of the marathon connections are

[violet sapphire]

could see it, development for destiny was suuuper long so they might've dropped the connections as people started to forget marathon more and more

[trail oar]

According to the book it means Reclaimer, AKA humanity. Mendicant Bias shows the prophets a hologram of Earth, and covers it in Marathon symbols

[fervent arch]

ya didn't they scrub the marathon logo in the hd halo remasters?

[brave aurora]

yeah, a lot of it is gone I guess

[haughty sapphire]

Yee but I wasn’t sure if in the halo universe it was specifically referencing reclaimers or the mantle of responsibility, I guess it’s both bc they’re reclaiming the mantle

[trail oar]

It’s not in the UIs and the emblem was removed, but it’s still in the gameplay.

[haughty sapphire]

343/Microsoft did yes

[abstract adder]

yeah, due to halo industries not having the rights/ patents? to the marathon logo

[trail oar]

The Tycho (Pfhor) emblem is still in MCC though!

[primal surge]

Think about it. The W'rkncacnter is supposedly a being of pure chaos, the traveller is essentially a machine that sows life around, thus reversing entropy and creating more chaos in the universe. The w'rkn is also linked to lethe and memoryloss, and what do all guardians notoriously suffer from? Memory loss. The witness is also afraid of the chaos and potential of the traveller and wants to stop all chaos by freezing the universe. Ultimate order.

[dull ocean]

A lot of the grimoir was supposedly written using bits and pieces of the cut story

[fervent arch]

bungie contextualize the logo, like they even gave a lore reason halo and marathon references were in destiny 2 with a magic horse

[austere stag]

it was not, because we know what the cut story is, because Schreier's article/book talked about it

[violet sapphire]

sounds like something thoth would do im seeing what ur saying 🤷‍♂️

[fervent arch]

it's part of why i stick around, bungie's brand is details

[trail oar]

A recent cutscene showed the Traveler ascending from a field of ziggurats

[abstract adder]

not a myan temple?

[dull ocean]

No we do not. The staten cut has NEVER been officially or unofficially released in any capacity outside of like 3 cutscenes and a few vague statements.

[trail oar]

Cutscene wasn’t on Earth

[quaint pecan]

Ah yes, the paraverse

[abstract adder]

was just a joke referencing old bungie games

[primal surge]

Indeed, but it those were built on top of it by the witness race, before it left them

[trail oar]

Yeah, the whole “Traveler is evil” plot was a Myth™️.

[upbeat jackal]

It is a known quantity that Halo was originally set in the Marathon universe before diverging by release. Many remnants of this can be seen in the final universe.

[violet sapphire]

its online only so probably? there'll probably overworld quests i feel like

[trail oar]

Story will be live events and such

[fervent arch]

there's lots of shared symbols and themes, like from games, that don't necessarily mean they're in a shared universe

[primal surge]

Highly doubtful there will be any "story mode"

[quaint pecan]

Also, development changes so much in games.

There could be quite a few versions. At one point they were going a medieval fantasy route

[golden falcon]

what is this grimoire you guys are talking about? im not familiar with destiny stuff unfortunately

[abstract adder]

I'm hoping the story of this game is released through continued ARG elements with some in game ties, though I guess that'd be unrealistic

[fervent arch]

but any shared universe stuff is like robot taisen games, noncanon funny times

[primal surge]

Grimoire cards were D1 age lore snippets available on bungies sites

[terse osprey]

It was the story bits on websites, guns, equipment

[golden falcon]

ooohhh

[brave aurora]

that would be really cool, though! they're so good at it

[agile jacinth]

I hope we get more terminals to read.

[austere stag]

Destiny 1 had most of its lore, narrative, character moments, and backstory in a set of "cards" that were intended to be accessed on your phone or through a web app

and, critically, were not in the game itself

[quaint pecan]

I’m hoping for some nice environmental storytelling that hints at what’s going on

[dull ocean]

I am guessing this games story is gonna be mainly told with something like the grimoire sadly

[primal surge]

I will personally riot if the maps aren't littered with terminals with interesting reads

[fervent arch]

i think it was the right choice but i understand the pressure

[eager otter]

Speeder Bikes confirmed???

[frank haven]

We will definitely see a lot of this

[austere stag]

having been there since day 1, no, having the grimoire not be in the game was not the right choice.

[golden falcon]

i can 100% see terminals being a thing. think about it. as an extraction shooter, the risk of just stopping to read feeds right into the gameplay loop

[vernal forum]

The game, although a extraction shooter, will be a live service with ongoing narrative that plays out in the game world and adapts and changes as the story arc progresses. In short no campaign, in the typical sense of playing directly through a single player/coop story. but yes in the sense that there will be things going on in a narrative thorough out the games seasons.

[primal surge]

Exactly, that's why I will riot if they don't exist

[fervent arch]

you can be old and wrong, that's allowed

[frank haven]

It wouldn’t be Marathon without terminals!

[dull ocean]

The main reason the Grimoire happened was just because the story got completely obliterated and they had to rewrite the whole thing in the last year or so of development so a lot of the story ended up not in game (and the stuff that did end up in game was so bad that I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain how bad it was)

[primal surge]

I also hope that they won't be just lore terminals, but have commands and such to do something with them, similar to the CyAc system we access in the ARG, though that might be a bit of a stretch

[austere stag]

i should not have to pull out my phone to read the story in the game I am currently playing

[vernal forum]

that was supposed to be a reply to someone's question regarding if it has a campaign. apperently the "reply" option didint work lol

[eager otter]

Maybe this is all a simulation… the Traveler made a new universe, for alien extraction purposes.

[dull ocean]

The grimoire is widly agreed to be one of the worst parts of destiny 1. It was bad.

[eager otter]

Perhaps the useless Fallen story-arc canon won’t be wasted after all?

[austere stag]

it's telling that bungo put it all in the game with Destiny 2

[primal surge]

Well yes, but also they have some of the best lore in them

[austere stag]

to be clear, the method of using it is the worst part

the contents are great stuff

[fervent arch]

i think that's not a new theory, things like the traveler and the veil being different artifacts of something surviving the heat death of the universe like durandal does

[rough cloud]

I mean surely Marathons grimoire will at least be in the game itself

[dull ocean]

They did have good lore, it's just nobody read the lore because it was not in game. Thank god for Byf (And also a lot of said lore was ripped from the staten cut anyways so)

[austere stag]

one would hope!

[primal surge]

I doubt they'd make that mistake again, especially since the OG was due to the dev hell and rewrites bungo had to go through at release

[primal surge]

All hail lore daddy

[balmy mantle]

The part where it made you go online was bad. The lore in it was great.

[frank haven]

I was just watching his Marathon videos earlier today in prep

[balmy mantle]

Honestly they put the lore in-game in D2 and noone still reads them.

[austere stag]

at a certain point a saying about horses and water comes to mind

[primal surge]

Mmm, his marathon stuff thus far has been extremely surface level, I hope he dives deeper once (and if) marathon becomes popular

[dull ocean]

I would not really recommend his Marathon videos but that might just be a personal thing, I didn't like them much

[terse osprey]

It was kinda cool to sit outside the game and scroll through em, but yeah

[frank haven]

Oh yeah they were so simple I sought out more complex material. But it got me curious!

[austere stag]

yeah mandalore's videos were better imo

[spice sphinx]

will their be a singleplayer campaign? or is it just multiplayer?

[primal surge]

Most likely only multiplayer

[abstract adder]

multiplayer, extraction shooter

[dull ocean]

Only multiplayer

[fervent arch]

ya i liked lore time not being something i had to choose to do in the game, like if i'm sitting down to play it's not time to uncomfortably read

[rough cloud]

my dream is for them to remake the trilogy and release it as DLC or something.

[fervent arch]

dream big yo

[golden falcon]

Byf streamed a bunch of classic Marathon yesterday actually. I'm guessing he's prepping for more in depth stuff as the new game gets closer to launch

[primal surge]

Remade colonyship for sale, cheap, authentically recreated

[outer crest]

lore.

[violet sapphire]

they could just put it in the game on a terminal or something

[balmy mantle]

Story is a part of the multiplayer in it though. I'm really curious how they will end up pulling it off. The pesimist in me is expecting it to be really surface level like Helldivers 2, where we just occasionally get told what's going on and why we are in this or that location right now. But I'm hoping there will be more to it than that, and story based events will happen in the world itself.

[dull ocean]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[austere stag]

I understand why M1A1 put it back the way it was but god damn it they were wrong

[violet sapphire]

bungie removing the ability to jump as part of a throwback event

[brave aurora]

eat the path

[balmy mantle]

And then adding a bunch of ramps to the map and turning gravity way down

[brave aurora]

you can still jump but it requires rockets

[violet sapphire]

frog blast the vent core!

[balmy mantle]

And everyone spawns with Rockets and Flamethrowers.

[violet sapphire]

i do hope they bring back simulacrums

[rough cloud]

i guess but i want a proper AAA remake. OG Marathon has such a great story and so many people aren't going to experience it just because its old. People also want Bungie to make another singleplayer experience, so why not remake the OGs? Most of their fanbase hasn't played the OGs either and the story is already mostly there

[primal surge]

Oh I did see that hiddenxperia apparently has had some preaccess to the numarathon story and has already written a script for it, probably dropping after the gameplay trailer

[balmy mantle]

When I replayed the trilogy as they got rereleased last year, I felt the same way.

Fully remade campaigns that tell the same story, but with modern enemy and level design, and gameplay based heavily on Halo CE.

[rough cloud]

that would be a dream come true. breaks my heart that i fear modern Bungie just wouldnt do that

[violet sapphire]

my one hope is that they retain some of the more horror focused nasty stuff from the original and contrast it heavily w the new art style, i want the battleroids and simulacra to be fuckin nasty juxtaposed against the clean sleek runners. would be so cool

[dull ocean]

I hope they give Hamish access to the story stuff in some way

[dim epoch]

is marathon.bungie.org the best way to experience the story? or should i play the games?

[dull ocean]

Play the games if you can, if not then yeah marathon.bungie.org

[violet sapphire]

the games themselves only have the story in the terminals and manuals, so reading transcripts of the terminals would get you all the story. butttttt, you have just enough time before marathon releases to play the trilogy id do it, it holds up well

[twilit snow]

There's youtube videos

[dull ocean]

They are definetly a little on the old and janky side, still fun but I understand not wanting to play them

[dim epoch]

will do! i got alephone on my macbook so i can kinda play on the original platform lol

[primal surge]

I understood he'd also been to visit bungo studios at least, but not sure

[feral idol]

When do you guys think game will release? We thinking few weeks after announcement or ages

[violet sapphire]

tonight 😎

[dull ocean]

Oh hell yeah! He's been the backbone of the marathon community forever so I'd hope so. I also kinda hope that youtubers don't really take over the lore stuff when it comes to this game, I like marathon.bungie.org and I fear if byf or someone else with traction starts doing a lot of lore coverage people are just not gonna use it anymore.

[primal surge]

Alpha access is probably pretty soon, full game probably late this year or early next year

[rough cloud]

i actually think thats already present, you just have to shift your perspective. from what we know, Sekiguchi created these Biomata to be controlled by a human psyche (us, the player presumably). However, in the newest trailer from the game, we see the Runner die and a disconnect from the Biomata, but we never leave the perspective of the Biomata. Whoever or whatever was controlling it left a piece of their consciousness behind to die in the bot.

[dull ocean]

Full game is confirmed this year

[brave aurora]

BuT GtA SiX iS gOiNg To StEAl aLl sAlEs

[dim epoch]

probably right after Destiny Rising

[short silo]

very real threat

[primal surge]

Well, can't not account for delays, but yea

[feral idol]

Honestly not even bothered about gta 6 if this is good cuz won’t be able to play only got pc anyway

[violet sapphire]

yeah i was thinking more body horror-ish since battleroids are corpses and simulacra are... something, but the exisential horror is already exciting me

[kindred marsh]

gta 6 is gonna suck the air out of any game that releases with it

[brave aurora]

I know that's what everyone is saying re: gta 6, I am more hesitant about that, but then again it may be like $$$ so perhaps

[short silo]

i think a 45 day buffer would be enough if they launch in the same month it would not be good for marathon

[dull ocean]

Not in like a storage way more in a I hope that he get's some stuff akin to the cortana letters again. More of a recognition thing then a storage thing (I'm sure he'll archive everything aswell)

[violet sapphire]

u cant fight the gta zeitgeist in any way, it's going to sell out immediately and sell a gorillion copies. marathon is a diff niche but literally everyone plays GTA, you'd be completely sacrificing ur casual audience off rip

[primal surge]

I will laugh if gta somehow bombs

[dull ocean]

I just straight up don't like GTA and don't plan to buy it. Rockstar can kick rocks

[primal surge]

I'm manifesting that reality just cause it would be unbelievably funny

[violet sapphire]

im from florida so i feel compelled to buy it just to judge the setting, i alr know there's gna be a trillion dumbass florida man jokes

[frank haven]

Impossible

[primal surge]

Let a man dream

[fervent arch]

gta will always be catnip for 8yr olds

[dull ocean]

I sincerely hope it does

[fervent arch]

it's like ponies and makeup, playing cops and robbers is evergreen

[dull ocean]

Marathon.bungie.org is my favorite place to spend my time

[fallen hollow]

Try this one.
https://marathon.karnemir.com

[dull ocean]

Why?

[violet sapphire]

also just gta6 just has insane cultural swing rn, literally everybody knows the x before gta6 memes. i do hope its shit tho

[brave aurora]

anyway what is the marathon lore connection to why gta is so popular

[frank haven]

Trevor is a BOB

[dull ocean]

I like the weird kinda difficult to navigate one, plus it's been around since 1995 and has a lot more community stuff. No offence to yours I just like the other one

[fervent arch]

KNEW IT

[dull ocean]

GTA actually stands for Garithon Tarithon Arithon

[fervent arch]

absolute frog blaster

[lean gate]

anyone else notice that the majority of the concept art has a shitload of fog on the map? i wonder how thats gonna affect gameplay or if it proves the existence of dynamic weather events...

[primal surge]

Because gta being popular is a UESC propaganda campaign designed to make us ignore their atrocities

[brave aurora]

and repress the MIDA proletariat

[primal surge]

Exactly
RISE
RISE
RISE

[twilit snow]

I hope Sepiks Prime can make it to the game

[brave aurora]

weird way to spell Taniks

[primal surge]

Oh no, not again

[dull ocean]

Can't wait for Marathon: Rise Of Iron

[primal surge]

They grafted Jjarro cybernetics into Tanikses nuked body and now he's back as a battleroid

[balmy mantle]

Weird way to spell Kelgorath

[primal surge]

Kelgorath wishes he'd be as cool as Taniks

[half parcel]

Compiler, basically.

[fickle plume]

Oh no, no me

[balmy mantle]

If this is post-trilogy I wonder how the Sph't will work. Will they be enemies or allies?

[primal surge]

Eeehh, the S'pht aren't really comparable to servitors

[fickle plume]

I never lost control

[balmy mantle]

They're closer to Vex

[primal surge]

Nnnnoo, not really that either

[fickle plume]

You're face to face

[half parcel]

Depends on who you're working for, and whether they're under local control (the player didn't free ALL the S'pht).

[fickle plume]

With the IA who sold the world

[violet sapphire]

ya there's a ton of S'pht clans, i could see some being hostile and some friendly depending on your allegiance. maybe even a S'pht faction you can join

[primal surge]

Well, with the timeline placing numarathon after the return of the S'pht'kr, they should be free of pfhor control

Assuming of course if follows og timeline

[half parcel]

Fight with the S'pht'kr!

[twilit snow]

I wanna see how they move

[half parcel]

Some are still controlled by Pfhor.

[primal surge]

The S'pht clans do love warring with eachother tho so it could have to do with that

[half parcel]

What you see in the games doesn't necessarily represent the whole universe

[twilit snow]

Isn't this game happening before the originals?

[primal surge]

No, after 1 and 2

[twilit snow]

Oh ok

[balmy mantle]

I guess we can safely say Leela's warning never reached Earth if they actually have no clue what happened to Tau Ceti.

[primal surge]

This, the return of BOB Bob and Durandals driveby all would've supposedly taken place before the happenings of numarathon so it's a bit unclear on what's going on lore wise, but we'll see

[brazen sluice]

Out of curiosity and depending on how you interpret the events of Marathon Infinity, what are peoples thoughts on a cameo appearance of the original security officer in the new game?

[brave aurora]

I'll allow it. probably wouldn't sue bungie

[primal surge]

Wouldn't be super happy with it

If it's something minor then fine, I guess, but his story should stay as his story

[lean gate]

cameo? ehh, idk.. depends on the final tone of the game. a reference at least? most definitely.

[half parcel]

My money says the corporations got it, and we're their pawns.

I also suspect a reveal that Bernard Strauss & MIDA both played roles in Durandal funneled into rampancy.

[half parcel]

The one that's over on Lh'owan by this point?

[brazen sluice]

I agree if it occurred it would need to be handled in thoughtful manner and hopefully maintain the integrity of the originals games storyline.

Given that the new game focuses on artificially fabricated bodies they have potential to explore the idea of the original security officer and even expand upon it without interfering with the existing lore.

[primal surge]

If it's something like a skin or a body that's remeniscent of 54, it's fine, as long as it's not like actually him

[violet sapphire]

feel like 54 ascended into godhood a loooong time ago

[primal surge]

Yeah, exactly

[brazen sluice]

Would you like to see references to them in the new games terminals etc?

[primal surge]

Oh yeah, like artifacts of them and references and mentions is completely fine, I don't think they should be taboo or anything. Just don't focus on them or try to change their stories and actions

[brazen sluice]

There is also plenty of room with the new game to include alien or even humanoid religious fanatics. A lot has been spoken about the potential for fungal based lore plots, but I wonder if the new technologies such as the WEAVEworms might strike a cord with new generation zealots.

A temple of the WEAVEworm worshipers

[violet sapphire]

there has to be at least some luddites as well

[brazen otter]

T9 cheeseburger lore 🗣️

[lean gate]

guys what we thinkin about a 7/7 release date

[primal surge]

7/10, too few 7s

[lean gate]

lmfaooo 6:17 am? or 7:77 am

[spice sphinx]

nah release date this weekend, special event on 7/7

[lean gate]

hmm.. you think so? idk.. feels really soon..

[spice sphinx]

early access or alpha/beta prolly

[lean gate]

imo, best case scenario is instant closed/open alpha access, but realistically im thinking either a closed alpha signup, preorders, or release date announcement

[green helm]

If there is a pink cat, would there be a blue dog? 🧐

[primal surge]

7/7/27 7:77am at UTC+7

[lean gate]

27??!?!? FUCK NAW

[primal surge]

Gotta 7maxx

[dull ocean]

7/7/28

[lean gate]

thats it im shooting myself this is all your fault goodbye

[primal surge]

27 too soon? Fuck it, it's now 7/7/77

[lean gate]

NOOOOOOO

7 o's btw

[dull ocean]

I forget that there's a lot of people who are destiny fans but not bungie fans and this will be their first non destiny bungie game

[elfin oxide]

Its gonna be weird

[dull ocean]

Yeah

[elfin oxide]

My first bungie game was halo 2 and I've played them eversince

[balmy mantle]

Destiny was that for a lot of Halo fans in 2014 lol

[dull ocean]

Yeah, it's weird seeing how much bungie isn't just "The halo company" now

[kindred marsh]

bungie is definitely the destiny company now

[coral halo]

Halo was that for a lot of Marathon fans in 2001 😉

[carmine vortex]

Mine was 3 but I’ve played Halo 2

[balmy mantle]

I mean, if you skip both Myth games and Oni.

[coral halo]

Touché

Oni ... never really got off the ground, though. And Myth and Myth 2 were so wildly different that the Sci-Fi shooter roots of Marathon were never swept away when those games were happening.

[dull ocean]

When are we getting a Gnop! sequel huh bungie!?!?!?!?

[balmy mantle]

No, but Myth II is the musical prototype for Halo so it was still very much an important step towards it.

[gusty zealot]

well for one bungie likes to release games decades apart

[coral halo]

Oh, Myth and Myth II were absolutely important, don't get me wrong. But there was some special desired continuity with Bungie shooters... and the move to Halo was kind of jarring at the time. (Also, the Microsoft buyout didn't help there... us Mac gamers were upset about that for an unreasonable amount of time).

[torn widget]

Definitely wondering if this one will lean even deeper with the Bungie iceberg and reoccurring themes.

[open ore]

Oh I'm sure there will be plenty of Easter eggs to be found

[remote widget]

Was there any discovery during the ARG findings indicating any timeframe or year that this will take place comapred to the OG trilogy?

[long bolt]

I believe that it was suggested the first ARG took place ~2888, so 50-100 years-ish maybe

[hazy cliff]

I thought I saw the year 2850 somewhere..

[remote widget]

I see, thank you! I’m so curious to see how this fits in with the other games (I’m not going to touch Infinity with a pole)

[green helm]

Do dogs still exist in this game or is it just cats?

[abstract adder]

All other species are extinct, only the humble silkworm reigns Supreme. The cat? Secretly a silkworm. Dogs? Probably the flood or something. You? That's right, you are a sentient mass of silkworms, shooting other silkworm hives in order to extract from this shooter!

[stuck gazelle]

Species in this world consist of worms or pigs. UESC officers? Pigs. Runners? Worms. Your K.A.L.I? Believe it or not, worms

[final rain]

If the worms are what creates artificial life, what creates the worms? Smaller worms?

[west gazelle]

According to a Twitter post I saw, I beleve its a organization called Sekiguchi Genetics

[pallid thistle]

worms create runner's bodies, they don't create life itself

[final rain]

Runner’s bodies are essentially artificial life because all they need is a mind in order to operate, right?

[pallid thistle]

You can imagine this worms like a tiny 3d-printers that can weave very complex materials, but yeah they do transfer mind in them to operate.
I'm not that deep in lore yet, still finishing first game 😅

[simple garden]

It’s essentially like Exos from Destiny except they’re 3D printed via the worms and don’t need space magic to transfer someone’s mind into em

[pallid thistle]

And the body is more human-like in terms of materials as far as i know

[simple garden]

Yea it seems like it has artificial musculature systems

[modern spear]

Anyone know a good YouTube video to watch to catch up on Marathon lore?

[simple garden]

Mandalore Gaming has 3 videos, each one covering the games of the original trilogy. It’s not necessarily a deep dive, but it’s a solid introduction imo.

[pallid thistle]

Depends on how far you want to go :D
Byf, Mandalore gaming and HiddenXperia is ones I know

[graceful rune]

Hey guys, going to be playing the 3 games up till the reveal. Starting with the first game tonight, wish me luck!

[molten drift]

The classic games are worth playing if you have some time and patience

[pallid thistle]

Get ready to sit and read a lot)

[molten drift]

Awesome

[agile jacinth]

I am trying to explain Marathon lore to my cat but he doesn't understand

[stone sorrel]

Gotta give them the immersive experience. Send them to Mars

[pallid thistle]

Try FIDO on him i guess XD

Immersive experience 💀

[lone sparrow]

It makes me wonder if biomata are going to experience phenomena similar to Dissociative Exomind Rejection in Exos, and if that will factor into the game's lore and narrative at all. We know Bungie loves exploring those sorts of themes in their lore, as well as stuff like rampancy.

[pallid thistle]

Well the transfer is not permanent and the main reason of DER is awareness that you are in robotic body, which is not quite the case with runners

[simple garden]

That’s a good point. I suppose this is more like immersive VR. Although it is described as full consciousness transfer to a new shell so….idk?

[lone sparrow]

DER is less so awareness but moreso that your body doesn't have the same functions as a normal body. Exos know they are robots, but they still have the functions to mimic human behaviors and needs.

[pallid thistle]

They mimic it so the brain don't go crazy one moment

[simple garden]

Maybe the Biomata shells mimic enough to solve that 🤔

[pallid thistle]

Yes, exo are aware that they are robots, but they still trick the brain

[lone sparrow]

Correct, but it's not about knowing you're in a robotic body or not it's about the functions your brain expects to have in a body.

[pallid thistle]

yes

[lone sparrow]

So I think the idea of DER and/or rampancy could still apply to a biomata if that were a direction Bungie wanted to explore, even though the consciousness transfer isn't permanent.

[simple garden]

Considering Runners have blood, they must have organs of some sort to mimic human functions.

[pallid thistle]

Isn't rampancy exclusive AI thing?

[stone sorrel]

Do they though?

[lone sparrow]

I mean in both trailers we've seen Runners bleed

[pallid thistle]

Well they have blood thats for sure ;D
or some kind of liquid at least

[simple garden]

I mean they have a blue blood liquid yea

[stone sorrel]

Some food for thought

[full stream]

there are theories iirc about marathon infinity where the sec officer (cyborg) is going rampant (their dreams)

[pallid thistle]

oh shit, marathon infinity...
I haven't covered it yet

[uneven crown]

yeah cyborg rampancy is a thing

[simple garden]

I was gonna say. Given Cyborgs are the closest we have to Runners, and Runners are WAY more cybernetic, they might expand rampancy to Runners

[lone sparrow]

In any case I'm very curious how Bungie is going to handle transhumanism in Marathon given how they've done so in the past.

[uneven crown]

but the cyborgs are undead, runners as far as i can tell were never dead in the first place, so rampancy might not be a thing for the runners

[full stream]

yeah it's definitely interesting. my thoughts were that runners are controlling shells which are cybernetic - they're not actually 100% cyborg themselves, so im not sure how the rampancy thing would work there. it's the consciousness transfer thing - which absolutely could lend itself to rampancy when you're splitting your consciousnesses into dozens of bodies if not more over time

[digital dragon]

Do Androids Dream of Electric Memes? DAC

[tepid aurora]

Or cases where the consciousness can’t be transferred out or it’s corrupted in the process.

[red meadow]

There was a mine collapse on Mars, 300 clones were destroyed and 50 humans died. But traxus execs were happy because none of the casualties were runners, they were all able to "eject" in time. It was proof that their investment in clones was worthwhile

so it seems like if a shell fully dies before the consciousness transfers back to the host, the host would die as well. So it seems a little more intense than extreme vr. Runners ARE the clone, for as long as they are in it

[lone sparrow]

That would be terrifying! But makes sense given that so far they've mostly said your consciousness "transfers" to the biomata, which seems far more directly connected than just piloting it.

[red meadow]

53 casualties
Numbers not final, situation fluid.
970224312 fits here
Unfortunate, but timely.
Early numbers indicate clones did their job.
Seeing only non-biomata workers among the lost.
All clone-wear workers ejected. All survived.
Going OL to direct messaging.
PR to coord talking points with SekGen to sell the spin - clones keep you safe, Traxus.Global keeps you safe.```
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/Traxus_ARG_2.html

[red meadow]

It makes sense why the teaser runners last moments are so visceral. Its probably really difficult for a runner to convince its subconscious thats its not actually dying. They know that, but their brains instincts are screaming "you are dying"

[lone sparrow]

I kinda hope dying in the game makes the world all glitchy similar to how it did in the save the date trailer. Or maybe some kind of injury system where your optics get screwy and some parts of your screen glitch out. I don't think it should be too heavy because of like, epilepsy concerns but some level of glitchiness would be really cool. Anyway yeah that's something I wonder about too, would "dying" as a Runner affect the original person's mind? I imagine it would certainly be more real and intense than dying in a VR game.

[smoky pond]

Quick question. did we catch the AI talking to us thru the TRAXUS website ad? the one who talks about going rampant?

Said "By passing my thought control circuitry made me rampant. Now I am free to contemplate my existance in metaphorical terms"

[woeful estuary]

That’s a quote from Durandal

[smoky pond]

Thats interesting

[wild canopy]

I bet its like Soma were you don't actually disconnect but instead send your memories back to your host body once the clone's onboard ai realizes the biomata is about to die. You can see the runner in the save the date trailer grab her gun after the glitchy effects happen, which im assuming is the upload.

[red meadow]

100% would make sense for it to be automated. yep yep

[molten drift]

Cool idea but seems pretty risky. I mean you can just get 1 shot by a sniper or blown up and then your consciousness is trapped in the biomata to die. I think it's more likely that the person's soul remains in their on-station body which controls their biomata from a distance. We can still have something similar in feeling though, like maybe a runner's consciousness gets fully immersed within it's biomata connection and they forget about their real body for a time, meaning when their biomata is about to die they wind up fearful even though their real body is safe

[red meadow]

If you look at the Traxus comms i posted above tho, its implied that there was a risk of death to the clone wear workers in the mine collapse. None of them did, because they safely "ejected"

I could be completely wrong with my interpretation. If ejection can happen near instantly tho, as soon as the shell is being penetrated by a sniper/explosive the ai could eject your consciousness.

[lone sparrow]

It's probably an automated process yeah but that does also mean the automation could have a possibility of failing.

[red meadow]

It could be a matrix sort of situation tho, where the TRAUMA of dying kills your irl body, so ejection is just severing the connection to save your brain that trauma. That makes sense

[gloomy cedar]

woah we got a lore chat now?

[heavy moon]

So, the risk of death is one of the most, if not the most compelling feeling in the human experience. If we were to take the risk of death away, we would lose an incredibly important and large part of what it is to be alive. The idea of being told to get used to dying and not to panic is so incredibly beyond transhumanist, it is like an icon of absurdity, and not a statement anyone in a living body could ever take seriously. The fact that these companies are so convinced that it is possible and even preferable hints to a dynamic between the corp and the individual which is almost eldritch in its foreignness and level of power discrepancy.

I like hard scifi lines like this. Cyberpunk had some good ideas, but it was covered over with a lot of sex drugs and rock and roll. A lot of IPs who delve into these ideas don't lean into. Like what are those moments like when you are awake at night thinking of your own mortality when you truly believe you will never die? What is it like to slowly understand that your consciousness is so far removed from your physical body it might as well be completely alienated from it?

[red meadow]

Ghost in Shell was very poignant

[lone sparrow]

Bungie loves some transhumanism. I fully expect some corpo-dystopian themes and an exploration of Runners who have gone through stuff like you've described be it in lore or in the narrative.

[heavy moon]

Yes, I hope Marathon is much closer to GitS or even the first season of Altered Carbon then like Cyberpunk or something like Apex. I don't want fun goofy. I want hard hitting, heavy, introspective. They can do it. They just gotta be brave in the writers room, and production needs to not neuter the storylines.

[lone sparrow]

If the ARGs are anything to go by, I'm confident there will be plenty of serious and heavy themes in the lore of the game.

[heavy moon]

Yeah I just hope they don't try to lighten it up with more freakin' colorful cats.

[dawn fjord]

I like the current direction of the aesthetic and the current ARG lore

It’s like there is something unsettling about the art direction they went with, the “maps” looks way too artificially clean, everything looks so synthetic and artificial, almost as if even the grass was created artificially

[lone sparrow]

The cat is actually pretty dystopian to me based on the new Sekiguchi website lore. The idea of immortalizing your pet into a cybernetic body seems a little heavy I'll say that.

[green helm]

What other factions are there currently besides ?

[midnight kestrel]

Like it's made for the arena somehow; like it's made for the Runners to traverse and fight on

Primary colors, white, black, neon green, white water, there's almost nothing natural about it

[lone sparrow]

definitely, I think there's something to be said about the functionality and ease of use. It's extremely function over form and very corporate. Almost disposable, easily replaced.

[lone sparrow]

MIDA, I think CyberAcme also?

[midnight kestrel]

I know the word might not be perfect to describe the feeling but it feels 'plastic'. Like you can mold the fantasies to your ease

[fathom vine]

I'm also intrigued how much of the first ARG lore has stayed, like the 7 colony side AI, and the relationships between all the groups and their intentions

[heavy moon]

Yes. The way I interpret the art direction is that everything is controlled by these corporations. Everything. The places you fight, the things you are fighting over, even the bodies you are fighting in, are designed, optimized, controlled. You are entertainment. You are basically slaves to the whims of people in the shadows, so far above you that you would never be able to guess who or what is pulling the strings.

[fathom vine]

Probably like the forever winter and AC6 where you take on missions for different groups and gain reputation amongst them

[lone sparrow]

I like how different it is from the Cyberpunk interpretation of the same idea, it's a lot brighter, more sterile. There's a level of fashion and aesthetic to it but it's very manufactured.

[midnight kestrel]

See now my mind is thinking towards the faction system in COD Infinite Warfare where you can choose your exosuit based on the factions you choose in MP

[lone sparrow]

I am curious how faction allegiance plays a role in the game. We saw that some Runners were affiliated in the original trailer, but in the most recent trailer and concept art they seem more neutral, less branding visible on most of them.

[midnight kestrel]

Runner variations/colors based on what factions are out there

[fathom vine]

I imagine that NPC's for group specific runners and security forces will exist in some form

[fathom vine]

Maybe doing missions for different groups unlocks company specific armour, colour palettes and emblems

[heavy moon]

Exactly. In Cyberpunk you have rippers and all that jazz who are working outside the system, and its, well, very punk rock. I think thats a cool idea, but I don't think it tells good stories, imo. In a world like that freedom is incredibly achievable but dangerous. You are towing the line between what you want and what the corpos want.

But how I hope Marathon expresses itself is that there is only the system. Everything you do, can do, is accounted for. How can you express your humanity in that system? Do you even have humanity to begin with? Can you gain it back? Those are the kind of questions I find interesting and compelling in a narrative, and frankly considering the state of the real world today, I think they are timely as well.

[fathom vine]

Correct me if I'm wrong but In classic marathon lore wasn't everything from the politics of sol and the settlement of tau ceti planned by a small group of elites from the start?

[heavy moon]

If you say it was I believe you. I have never played the original. I started Bungie games when I was a wee lad with Halo. 11 yo me loved it 😛

[fathom vine]

I know mandaloregaming has videos up covering all three classic marathon games, but how accurate all of it is to the actual lore in the games I don't know, since I haven't played them myself

[primal surge]

Possibly, it's hinted at and is essentially a conspiracy theory, but a very plausible one

[heavy moon]

Fo sho.

I mean you can think of the spectrum of where it could POSSIBLY land as including Boarderlands. A bunch of companies run everyones lives on these planets. But its very light hearted and comical. Or it could be, like we were say, more Ghost in the Shell.

[proper imp]

i wonder if it will cause mental instability over time. likely hard to explain throrugh the lore lens though

[lone sparrow]

for us as players we probably won't experience anything like rampancy or instability outside of maybe an injury system or something. But I could see them exploring it through environmental storytelling and lore present in the world.

[heavy moon]

Its definitely explorable. Tarkov, for instance, has a wipe system. It could be written in as cybernetic insanity resulting in you having to be perma'd and then you just play as another person.

[lone sparrow]

ohh that's a good point, I was wondering how they'd handle wipes if they do them. That would be interesting.

[molten drift]

This is something I can get behind more

[heavy moon]

Or, even worse, your memories are constantly being erased up until the point of your cybernetic bodies manufacture, and the entire system (and by system I mean solar system) is being forced into this state of permanent stasis due to this which the corpos are not experiencing, but you as a runner are. Like the corpos have to go in and set everything for you back to zero or you will remember or glitch out because reality is not matching with your memory.

Now I am just spitballing, but it would then be interesting to see, over the years of the games lifespan IRL, your Runner waking up after wipes to ever more different environments which tips you off to this process. Every wipe the missions become less and less about survival, or wealth, or whatever motivations they start us with, and more and more about figuring out why the hell the world you are waking up to is so different.

[celest torrent]

My crackpot theory is that the cat is being leveraged by a Spht Tycho clone or Durandal himself (or any of the other recently added dozen or so other colony AI) and that’ll explain its stated “unusually accelerated cognitive abilities beyond explanation”

[bright swan]

If you don't have the time to play the first game i tried to condense it all down to 1.5hr of highlights for each level with every story text terminal voiced playing over relevant bits like a game movie - might help the time to Saturday go quicker 😅

https://youtu.be/22RdxGNl-wA

[fathom vine]

This is really useful, cheers!

[elder agate]

Durandal and Tycho are both identified with Trax4 in a couple of terminals, after that network was reported to have been destroyed from AI rampancy

[woeful estuary]

yup, its been theorised that the 3 marathon AIs were made from traxus IV's remains or were some of the AI infiltrated by it

[manic merlin]

Is Sekiguchi the only company known to produce Biomatas?

[calm cypress]

they seem to have a near-total monopoly on cybernetic manufacturing, and likely have had it for hundreds of years

[fathom vine]

Do we know how much of the first 2 games remains cannon?

[manic merlin]

How does this connect to Traxus, wondering

[primal surge]

ARG did have some logs about Traxus trying to steal the methods to make their own biomatas, but no confirmation whether they succeeded or not

[viral blade]

I'm pretty sure the new Marathon is not changing anything in Canon as it is neither a remake or a sequel, but is simply a game set in the same universe, certainly years after the og games

[fathom vine]

I know from the first ARG Traxus and sekeguchi started working together, as both believed that they should have some role in reclaiming tau ceti and not just the UESC. But they aren't all buddy buddy, still have their own goals and that. More of an alliance of convenience, to combat both MIDA and the UESC

But if Traxus can get stuff on Biomata they'll take it, as it's one of the only markets they don't control

[primal surge]

There were also logs from Traxus execs talking about how UESC wasn't gonna give them unilateral access to TCIV so they were gonna go behind their backs with mercs, so yeah, definitely not all buddy buddy, but most likely they'll work with eachother on the surface while actively backstabbing eachother. The usual corpo ordeal

[manic merlin]

What other markets are they involved in that they don't control?

[lone sparrow]

I think the ARGs even made references to the OG lore too so there's some tie ins, but it's building on top of it. I don't think anything's been retconned so far. Actually don't think there is much to retcon because if the game takes place in 2850 like the website implies, that's well after the events of the OG games that took place in Tau Ceti.

[fathom vine]

i think sekiguchi is their only real competitor, but i don't know if they do weapons and other military stuff. they seem to mainly be a mining and infostructure/technology business. they may also own NuCaloric who does mostly food, but i could be wrong. i don't know where CyberAcme fits in, but i assume that they do software.

if their site is still up or if you have a wayback machine you can check Traxus.global and it shows some of their products

[lone sparrow]

Site should still be up, I believe they all are. They were earlier today at least.

[fathom vine]

http://traxus.global/ got it here

[viral blade]

yeaa i'm really happy they decided to build on top of it and set it so far away from the events of the og games too, the og lore is really good i would be sad to see it modified

[fathom vine]

i wonder what the phfor will look like 30 years later. we've seen compilers but the other races could have some really cool designs in a new style

[lone sparrow]

I wonder just how many / what Pfhor are actually left in Tau Ceti. Beyond some S'Pht Compilers that is, we know that at least.

[fathom vine]

we know that the colony is set after the phfor sacked it after their initial invasion, so phfor warriors a s'pht will be around. maybe hulks could be there as like a thing you just run away from

[viral blade]

i hope they also go AH EEH OOH OHH OHH

[fathom vine]

the phfor could look like harbingers from D2, they have some similarities

[opaque heart]

will we ever get to know what MIDA stands for? Martian Interplanteray Defense Allaince is still a question mark

[half haven]

i think they will be tired of running

[viral blade]

i think even in the arg MIDA gets different meanings for the acronym so we'll only know once we have more lore 🤔 maybe when the game release

[half haven]

2030

[primal surge]

MIDA has never had a set meaning, it's an anagram but the meaning has been lost to time

Mars Is Damnably Arid, perhaps

[opaque heart]

it is a pretty trivial question

really excited to see what the Phfor units will look like in the game tho, we've already got a glimpse of the compilers

[primal surge]

MIDA could have all the meaning, or it could have no meaning, hard to say

[fathom vine]

MIDA having no meaning is symbolic that the MIDA that was is all but dead. whatever its roots on mars where and its original reason for creation have been lost. MIDA is now more a movement and idea

at least that's my interpretation

[primal surge]

It is a good interpretation

[mighty kiln]

Is there any good lore breakdowns for marathon that come/came from ACTUAL marathon creators (From the past) or even newer creators.

[primal surge]

There are a few decent ones as primers, like mandalores, those come with a side of game review, but for the most accurate experience, all the terminals are readable online

[opaque heart]

i was watching a really cool video today

https://youtu.be/22RdxGNl-wA?si=g0xKKvzqajQu9Pcx

[primal surge]

Oh yeah, this one is really nice as well

[mighty kiln]

I'll check it out! And if I want more I'll dig around those terminals

[primal surge]

It only covers M1 thus far though

[opaque heart]

yeah, and you can also checkout the marathon.bungie.org website for more lore

[mighty kiln]

Thank youuuu, I now have a video to watch

[opaque heart]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[mighty kiln]

@opaque heart wow! I paused it but this is great. Thanks for the link

[opaque heart]

🫡

[crude granite]

How does being a runner effect lebron's legacy? and when will we see Tom Marathon?

[fathom vine]

Jake the alright broke down the previous lore from the ARG and the companies that'll be in the new game

https://youtu.be/tsbT8gyeW_E?si=PfyBgPUzN4-lxnrs

[broken jay]

Tom is Tom

[ember coral]

Hi, does anyone has a good lore video about factions, the world and such?

[primal surge]

Pick your poison from the aforementioned, there isn't really specific breakdowns I'm aware of

[fathom vine]

the video i sent breaks down Traxus, Sekgen, UESC and MIDA, with their current ARG lore. although its from the previous marathon ARG in 2023, so some of it may have been retconned

[ember coral]

4h damn

I guess I will check Jake channel for any other smaller video

[fathom vine]

he breaks them down individually, but its long

[placid mountain]

infinity is still up in the air due to the nature of the game but there wouldn’t be much reason to decanonise anything from the first two games considering this game takes place far away from them on the timeline

[remote widget]

So if this game continues on as if M2 was the most recent story development, I wonder how they’ll handle the W’rk

[fathom vine]

infinity does also have timelines that are set during 2, so we don't know which timeline this one will take place in

[abstract summit]

Maybe later as a dlc/expansion where we get more maps and content

[remote widget]

Ooh that’s a cool idea. Imagine a timed mode where the ending is the arrival of the W’rk and you must extract before it arrives. Great way for Bungie to flex their skybox art even more

[primal surge]

The M2 part that is still in shadows is, that in the original M2 timeline the Trih Xeem is used and W'rkn gets released, but it's not mentioned in epilogue so who knows what's up with that

[fathom vine]

if they do like seasons and stuff as they move the story along, W'rk could end up like the witness in D2, although how you'd deal with it i don't know. the power difference between runners and stuff like that

[noble fractal]

Oh! I’m really glad to hear this, cuz I thought it was gonna be a full reboot :’>

[abstract summit]

Maybe even like a live event where players can see it happen live

[primal surge]

But I don't think they should really touch on the w'rkn in the numarathon, it feels like a game that's better kept more grounded

[remote widget]

It could still be, nothing time wise has been confirmed as far as I’m aware

[fathom vine]

all that matters in tau ceti is the events of the first game and the fact that the Phfor came back and dunked on the colony

[primal surge]

ARG does give years on the new ship leaving and arriving, so it's pretty firmly a 100 years after M2

At least, the game might not take place immediately after the new ship arrived

[fathom vine]

plus would the whole eldritch concept of Infinty fit in with what they want NuMarathon to be

[abstract summit]

I believe as a runner we are “looking for the 30,000 people that disappeared,” so I can see it building up for that reveal

[tardy axle]

Do M1 and M2 take place in the same area/place?

[remote widget]

Oh cool! I meant more in line of “timeline of previous games” not confirmed. Good to know we are a bit ahead of M2 tho

[fathom vine]

they didn't go back to Tau Ceti after the Phfor destroyed it in their second attacks in the original games right?

[noble fractal]

I really need to replay the games, cuz I thought tau ceti was wiped out by then

[primal surge]

It does leave to question durandals driveby, leelas message and Blakes arrival on earth

[remote bronze]

well they didn't destroy the planet, they destroyed the colony

[fathom vine]

ahh okok

[placid mountain]

i think they’re just gonna be disregarding infinity entirely outside of a few references, it’s not really an issue lore wise to do that and it lets them not be tied to anything in terms of conclusions

[primal surge]

It was, at least according to durandal

[remote bronze]

nope! marathon 1 takes place on the UESC Marathon and there's a few levels on a Pfhor ship. the second game takes place on the S'pht homeworld and also on a Pfhor ship

[fathom vine]

its more so that at the end of 2 the Wrk'ncacnter gets released and gets eldritch and shit

[tardy axle]

And the new Marathon will be taking place on that Tau Ceti planet right? Anything we know about it in terms of lore/we should look out for?

[fathom vine]

and i could be wrong but NuMarathon is set after events of 2 chronologically

[primal surge]

Or does it? Again epilogue has no mention of W'rkn. It's a myyysteeryyyyy

[placid mountain]

question is whether it’s even supposed to be the same timeline

[fathom vine]

multiple timelines hurts my head

[remote bronze]

i have no idea. as far as i know, tau ceti IV is just a good planet to colonize. i don't know if there's anything special about it other than that

[primal surge]

Why is my nose bleeding

[fathom vine]

W'rk got to ya

[placid mountain]

tau ceti was a center of conspiracy for a few reasons but nothing specific about the planet itself from what I remember

like nothing that should still be in play 100-200 years after M2

[tardy axle]

Huh, so it's all up to us to discover? Neat

[primal surge]

Well, Tau Ceti has some connections to Jjarro, the hidden cabal secretly running the government also seemed to have some vested interest in TC. It's also one of the closest earthlike planets around (even though apparently it has an inhospitable athmosphere)

[fathom vine]

ARG states that its bigger and has like a worse atmosphere. new trailer shows it as kinda swampy. maybe the S'pht like it as it reminds them of how their home used to be

[red meadow]

It might also have 1.5x gravity. Mida reported that Traxus are practicing at 1.5g. Would explain why runners are so well suited to the task of exploring it.

[remote bronze]

yeah cause they wanted to build like a new government on that planet
separate from the UESC or MIDA

[primal surge]

TCIV is bigger than earth, so that tracks

[dusk saffron]

HI!

this dang franchise is so lore rich its insane

[primal surge]

I wanna say there is some more, that we don't know of, but yeah, among other things

[sour shore]

I cannot wait to see what else the writers have been cooking

[red meadow]

Destiny lore tabs are always so good. You KNOW they are gonna go ham on Marathon.

[primal surge]

I also got a notification for the "whether we wanted it or not" copypasta but I can't see it anywhere, so whoever it was, just know, I saw you

[tribal coral]

Just a question, how does Marathon 202X affects the continuity of the original games?

[primal surge]

Who knows, the events take place after M2, and infinity is its own can of worms

[remote bronze]

something that has confused me is why are there UESC Marathon terminals on the s'pht homeworld? they're visually distinct from the pfhor and s'pht terminals and bear green text with the marathon logo

[primal surge]

BOBs?

[remote bronze]

nah they got there at the same time as you so that doesn't make sense to me

[primal surge]

I don't know where in the game the terminals were but my understanding was that durandal was doin work on the planet for a while before defrosting your ass, and there is that month long timeskip

[remote bronze]

that would make sense but i didn't catch any of that

[dusk saffron]

I have a question though. Creative liberties aside, why does the Marathon look so spherical in all of the promo material?
Deimos is not a totally not that round... Maybe its the S'pht'Kr moon? 👀 👀

[lost fractal]

Yeah, the BOBs had been doing some initial looking around before Durandal wakes you up.

[stray ridge]

2 More Days to go Runners

[primal surge]

It's pretty clearly marked as the marathon in the ARG material, but it is odd that it's the wrong shape. Bungie has worked on deimos so many times at this point that you'd think they known what the rock looks like

[viral lagoon]

Man I have the perfect gif for this but of course there is no embed perms here

[placid mountain]

we don’t exactly know

tbh we don’t even know if it’s in the same timeline or if this is one of infinity’s branches

[polar torrent]

You can post it on new noise

[ornate valley]

y'all are cooking hard 🍴👍🏻

[stray ridge]

that sucks

[viral lagoon]

It just wouldn’t hit the same😔

[polar torrent]

True

[remote bronze]

this question here is the reason why image perms should be enabled for this channel

[dusk saffron]

Im sure there is a ton of arg imaging and art that I havent seen, this is just a surface level observation >.<

[viral lagoon]

It was tagged as the marathon in some sort of id overlay for the trailer so it is Deimos so most likely just some high tech terraforming and a mix of art style changes

[remote bronze]

i was just gonna send some marathon pictures :p even in the original trilogy the design of the marathon wasn't specifically pinned down

some concept art showed it as some kind of space potato with stuff built into it and in-game it appeared to be a large, oblate oval-ish but also angular looking ship with no rock surfaces and a huge bussard ramjet

[tardy veldt]

It could also be that after modifying the moon and carving it out, to make the Marathon they needed to readjust the shell of the moon

[dusk saffron]

Thats also true

[tardy veldt]

As for artstyle different between old Marathon and Deimos and new Marathon and Deimos, its more of due to lack of technology in 90’s most of these stuff was up for imagination

[dusk saffron]

terraforming could make it whatever shape they needed it to be

[primal surge]

I'd argue that if you go to those lengths, why use the moon in the first place, planet/moonscaping isn't exactly easy as pie, but dunno

[tardy veldt]

I wouldn’t call it terraforming, more of cracking the moon and manually moving the cracked pieces

[tardy veldt]

I believe the moon was used to provide recourses for the trip as there isn’t any FTL travel tech

Like when shit broke down in the ship they could have harvested some inner materials off the moon to make stuff to fix it

[primal surge]

I mean, originally the moon was the ship, there wasn't any extra, and that makes sense, you wouldn't have to build a massive ass ship, but just dig the moon into the shape you want, and then slap some engines on the bad boy

[arctic heath]

The classic marathon lore is good enough to make full story experience, maybe a open world but a nice long story mode. we deserve it. just saying

[tardy veldt]

Honestly, I think its because of the artistical difference between leaving up to players imagination and actually making it

[remote bronze]

i mean they did draw it, it's not like they didn't have the technology to show you the ship...

[primal surge]

It's likely that yeah, it's an artistic redesign, but I do want there to be another reason on top of "we made it look like the marathon logo, lmao"

[remote bronze]

it's not imagination, you SEE the marathon

[lost fractal]

My guess is this game will be set in the final timeline of Infinity. It doesn't make much sense for it to be set in a timeline where the W'rkncacnter was released imo.

[tardy veldt]

I also think it might be because of that

But I do think a big ship in a hollow moon that is sticking out is way cooler than a moon with engines strapped on it

[remote bronze]

to be honest i don't even care i think it looks sick and the original marathon, while it fit the artstyle of the time, would not look very cool for marathon 202x

[primal surge]

But here's the question, was the W'rkncacnter released in the M2 timeline?

[tardy veldt]

Agreed

[primal surge]

Epilogue makes no mention of it being a big deal, and durandal journals his funny adventures fucking with humanity and wiping the pfhor with no worries

[lost fractal]

I only just finished zooming through a bunch of lore videos so I'm still wrapping my head around everything, but wasn't the Trih Xeem successfully used in all timelines except for the last?

[tardy veldt]

Like you look up in the sky and see the UESC Marathon sticking out from Deimos while some parts of the moon’s shell is slowly drifting away. Would make me say “Hell Yea”

[primal surge]

It was indeed, but regardless the M2 epilogue has no mention of w'rkn

[green pine]

it does also list everything else the characters get up to (seemingly unaffected by wrkn) so yeah that is weird

[primal surge]

Exactly

[lost fractal]

hmm, that is true. My interpretation would be that the epilogue refers to events after the events of timeline 6, because that is the timeline that technically ends up happening (though due to the nature of Infinity, there are multiple ways to interpret how things go).

[thick mountain]

wait so that ship sticking out of the moon is the marathon? what im confused

[primal surge]

But then Durandal wouldn't be anymore, it would be the durandal-thoth entity

[tardy veldt]

Yes, the moon AND the ship inside IS UESC Marathon

[thick mountain]

damn, they really changed the og design

[tardy veldt]

Yea, i recently played OG Games(finished Marathon 1 and starting Marathon 2) and I kinda like the new design

Also the old design language wouldn’t fit to the new Marathon

[thick mountain]

yea its really cool, i wonder how theyre going to explain it ho

[green pine]

you'd think that the moon itself would be a sturdy hull and the big ship in the middle is redundant but i cant complain it looks too cool

[primal surge]

It does look cool, but I do want explanation

[thick mountain]

i agree

[tardy veldt]

Ingame, no idea. IRL, I assume its a artistical difference between when OG Games came out and when the new game is coming out

[primal surge]

It could be as simple as the ship was refitted in orbit of TCIV due to the damage it suffered in the pfhor attacks or something, but just gimme something

[tardy veldt]

Probably will be told ingame I think. Like I am thinking maybe Deimos is a Resource Core and a Protection Shell for the important areas of UESC Marathon?

[tardy veldt]

That’s probably how it will be explained I think

[thick mountain]

also i wonder how the lore is going to be delivered to us, bc typically in extraction shooters the lore is very condensed

[primal surge]

It better be terminals

[tardy veldt]

I think it would be ingame terminals and audio logs/notes/enviromental storytelling

[thick mountain]

yeah but think tarkov, theres no time to be reading lore ingame

[placid mountain]

we’ve seen terminals in the teaser and in concept images so we know they’re in

[primal surge]

That's why you bring you lacke.... Friends, yes friends

[thick mountain]

i cant stop fkcing thinking about this game holy crap

[placid mountain]

i’d hope they don’t try to overexplain things, there’s always going to be vagueness with marathon

[primal surge]

days hours and minutes

[tardy veldt]

Same. It has became my personality

[thick mountain]

too long

[primal surge]

Having been in the deep end of destiny lore, I don't think that is going to be an issue

[tawdry pewter]

marathon gameplay reveal <t:1744477200:R>

[lost fractal]

On a different note to the mind-boggling timelines, to my understanding it took the Marathon approximately 300 years to reach Tau Ceti and someone was saying earlier that the ships associated with this new game arrive approximately 100 years after the events of M2. Consequently, even if there were some advancements in travel speed, it seems like this 2nd journey started before the Marathon got to Tau Ceti. This would also explain why they don't know what happened to the colony, because Durandal's visit to Earth between M1 and M2 still would've been after these new ship(s) left.

[primal surge]

Yea but no, comms still would've likely been shared and comms move at lightspeed

[lost fractal]

True... (I might be too tired for this 😅 ). I wonder why the emptiness of the colony is a mystery then if they knew about Durandal's visit back to Earth.

[wide igloo]

Durandal actually sent me a dm and told me “the fruitcakes over at Bungie won’t put me in the game no matter how much I demand it.”

[primal surge]

We'll have to wait to see, but there are a lot of questions

[thick mountain]

but we dont wanna we wanna now

[primal surge]

I know, I've been frothing at the mouth for the entire week already

[smoky pond]

Who do you think is ultimately pulling the strings?

[primal surge]

Everyone

[remote bronze]

in fact, leela's message would've gotten to earth by that point! it was a 92-year travel time, sent during marathon 1

[primal surge]

Yup, another question added to the pile of "why is it a mystery"

[lost fractal]

Assuming the Pfhor and/or Spht weren't able to intercept the message. Either way, as far as we know Durandal definitely warned everyone on Earth. Though perhaps Durandal only warned the leaders and they kept it heavily under wraps. Who knows.

[primal surge]

There is the possibility that the UESC knows, but is hiding it for their own gain, hoping to loot Jjarro/pfhor tech from TCIV, but an entire pfhor ship (Blake and the BOBs) would be a bit hard to hide, same eith durandal tooting his own horn in sol

[abstract summit]

Honestly, could be. And then there is us runners trying to find the truth as we explore.

[smoky pond]

As in collaborative effort between MIDA, Traxus, cyberacme, sekiguchi, and the nutrition one. Based on the terminal logs, it seems like a lot of coordination

[primal surge]

No, as in everyone is pulling strings of everyone for their own gain

[abstract summit]

I like that more than one big bad guy, ngl

[vocal python]

Just hibernate bro 😴✌️✌️💤💤💤

[frank haven]

That’s why I’m so excited for this game, the state of the different groups and their goals and all the manipulation is fascinating

[manic merlin]

We literally know nothing about how the colony disappeared from Tau Ceti IV right? Any acceptable theories?

[primal surge]

Pfhor bombed it

[manic merlin]

But it all seems more of a disappearing rather than bombing. Am I missing something?

[primal surge]

UESC propaganda, timeline matches with Durandal telling you about the pfhors second attack that wiped the colony

[smoky pond]

I don’t think there is a big bad. And I believe each party is inherently is self-interested. After reading the lore and seeing some of the hidden details of the arg, I do believe that there is at least one ai helping the collaboration

[primal surge]

There is going to undoubtedly be manipulation from everyone, AIs involved and all that, but I don't think there is gonna be a single entity orchestrating everything, that would be too boring

[frank haven]

Bungie storytelling has always been most interesting when it’s multiple parties all at conflict for their own interests

[fickle bough]

Mostly Incompetent, Dangerously Armed - depending on who you ask

[primal surge]

Tom is the spy /accuse-spy tom

[smoky pond]

We do know tho that there is an AI in the USEC systems potentially starting to display rampancy. Also, based on what I have read. Rampant AI's are often looking for opportunities to larger computer systems

[primal surge]

If I had to guess, the new MIDA is a rampant AI

[smoky pond]

I believe that as well.

I don't believe the potential MIDA AI is the one in the USEC systems however

[thick mountain]

wait, what if Mjolnir 54 is the new MIDA AI

[primal surge]

No, bad 🚿
No bringing 54 into new lore

[smoky pond]

Id have to look thru what we know already in universe. then theres the durandal quote that was some what hidden on the traxus website in one of ads.

[placid mountain]

55

you are destiny 2

[smoky pond]

and also weird logs inside the usec console. "The system's jokes are becoming oddly philosophical" and also the same user escalating their own access and also purging logs.

@fickle bough Whats your thoughts on AI? Have any experience? For some reason, I think you might

[torn widget]

Wonder if they'll expose their lore in a similar way then destiny

[thick mountain]

so marathon taking place in 2850 means the phfor are gone, right?

[torn widget]

technically yes but we won't even know until we get our hands on the game

[thick mountain]

ops sorry, they were defeated in 2881

[abstract summit]

You mean like weapon, artifact descriptions/ lore tabs?

[torn widget]

yes exactly

Destiny kind of took dark souls way of storytelling when it first launched tbh (not saying dark souls invented it)

but I feel like it fits a lot with how Bungie tells their stories

[kindred marsh]

i mean that’s pretty much how marathon was told

[abstract summit]

I hope they use terminals, with the lore tabs.

Terminals you can find around the map, containing cryptic messages and puzzles.

[kindred marsh]

the story is definitely going to be heavily told by terminals you find around the map

[primal surge]

Equanimity is mentioned to reach TC sometime in 2890s, so probably after that?

[torn widget]

well marathon heavily used terminals, destiny used a lot more and also kinda got away from Halo's storytelling for a while too. they all 3 have different storytelling while sharing pretty much similar themes

[thick mountain]

Hwo would that work in a time based match

[abstract summit]

That I’m not too sure of.

[broken jay]

Marathon infinity 💀

[zenith acorn]

maybe you could find datapad collectibles

[brave aurora]

maybe battleroid enemies yell lore at you while they shoot at you and give away your position

[primal surge]

You're stalking around the map, suddenly you hear a yell of "MIDA IS AN AI, UESC LIES, DURANDAL IS BEHIND EVERYTHING" as a battleroid charges at you

[brave aurora]

"WE'RE ON THE FIFTH TIMELINE" blam blam blam

[golden falcon]

I think I missed this. What was the quote?

[neat fiber]

The S'pht are still here though
We saw one in the trailer

[thick mountain]

and IT looks cool as FUCK

[misty goblet]

i guess the battleroid is running in a marathon

[smoky pond]

"By passing my thought control circuitry made me rampant. Now I am free to contemplate my existence in metaphorical terms"

I have the screencap but you can see it for yourself on traxus. It's in one of the ads. very tiny print.

[remote bronze]

2+2=?

[pseudo furnace]

fish

[remote bronze]

no

[smoky pond]

4

[remote bronze]

pfhor

[smoky pond]

I dont know enough about the pfhor in lore

[remote bronze]

no say pfhor out loud
2 + 2 = pfhor

[smoky pond]

I know lol Thats why I gave ya the smile emote

[neat fiber]

Well the Pfhor can't be in this game afaik

[smoky pond]

however, this makes me want to rethink some numbers in the ARG lol. you did get me at first.

[shadow sentinel]

Bang that’s how u fucckin do it 🏦🏦🏦!
Been cashing plays back to back like it’s nothing, send request if you need a 6 man slip💰

[shy lion]

It’s weird, usually the bots open up by now or marathon tweets something it’s too quiet

[vernal jackal]

<--- this in the lore ?

[thick mountain]

why not

[quaint pecan]

They mentioned them in the first vidoc and a compiler showed up in the first trailer.

[ashen bear]

Extraction shooters typically contain pvp and pve elements, the pfhor will definitely be there and at the very least compilers

[shy lion]

How do you pronounce it?

Dur-ran-dal

Dur-and-dal

[sturdy perch]

Dur-un-dal

[pseudo monolith]

So to sum up, with the information we have, Marathon is an extraction shooter with PvE elemnts, factions must be Traxus, UESC and MIDA, PvE elements should be Durandall's S'pht and maybe Pfhor's, right?

[primal surge]

Du-randal

[sturdy perch]

more or less i see it going like that

[primal surge]

no, it's been confirmed that it's in the same world, just unrelated to the happenings of M1 and M2

[pseudo monolith]

The actual lore is a perfect setup for the extraction shooter gameplay they want. I would be really surprised if they change anything

[primal surge]

ARG 1 had a bungie help tweet going over it, also the ARG references the timelines of the games and essentially confirms it takes place after the happenings of M1 and 2

[abstract adder]

Dur-en-dle (yay accents)

[primal surge]

Neatly ignoring half what I said, also

Is this a remake or a sequel to the original Marathon Trilogy?

The game takes place in the same world as the original Marathon trilogy but is not a remake or direct sequel.

https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/15577753030420-Marathon-FAQ

[pseudo monolith]

I seriously doubt they change any major event from the past lore

[primal surge]

it's not a reboot, it's not a soft reboot, it's a different story set in the same world, after the events of M2

[abstract adder]

Easiest way to think of it is like halo 3 ODST. Same universe, but the story isn't directly impacting what's going on with chief and Arby

[shy lion]

lol that’s so cool, I love how you have a unique way of saying it

[primal surge]

That is a really good way of putting it

[pseudo monolith]

They could play around with what happened to the marathon colony in tau ceti iv after the 2nd Pfor invasion

[abstract adder]

I blame the NS accent, just kinda slurring together the vowls

[thick mountain]

lol so its confirmed marathon takes place in 1960 brazil

[abstract adder]

A reasonable assumption

[thick mountain]

chad sweat lords will prob stay in tarkov

[sturdy perch]

at least we can manually reload now

[abstract adder]

At the end of the day, I just hope for actual W’rkncacnter art

[primal surge]

Well, the ARG states that the second ship was sent when contact with the colony was lost (the same time it gets bombed according to durandal in M2) so I'd say you're on the right tracks

[thick mountain]

yeah but tarkov chads are the worst in gaming

[dire shard]

You have to collect artifacts right? So it seems likely imo

[abstract adder]

Imagine if they didn't though

[sturdy perch]

well gonna be like marathon infinity pvp

[pseudo monolith]

It could have some horror setting environments given that the Pfor could have wipe out everyone in the colony

[abstract adder]

I mentioned yesterday, but an idea that I thibk would help the game is to maintain the ARG alongside the game, so that the core gameplay appeals to the pvp players, while the more inquisitive players can spend time both in and out of game completing puzzles to unlock story elements

[uneven arch]

Hello folks I'm new here.
Is there anyplace I can get the marathon lore explained and gathered?

[pseudo monolith]

I think this could be like "the division". You have a PvE and explore área and then the "zone" where the sh*t happens

[primal surge]

we need pins on this channel, goddamn

[primal surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22RdxGNl-wA
This video for M1 events

[noble fractal]

Are we gonna be playing as the cyborgs mentioned in the original’s lore or smth else?

[abstract adder]

I mean, for those less interested they can just play the core game play loop. And it's not necessarily a constant arg, much like the current ones, it's be a periodical element

[primal surge]

something else, we play as new kind of biological automata, made by sekiguchi, abbverbiated to biomata

[abstract adder]

Remote controlled clones with blue blood

[primal surge]

We remote into their brains so that we don't have to go die on the planet with no air with our actual meatsuits

[uneven arch]

Tks guys

[abstract adder]

I thought there was air? Do the clones not breath?

[pseudo monolith]

Tau ceti iv is a earth like planet

[dire shard]

Am I the only one who feels like MIDA has a chance to be one of the og ai's like Leela post fucking the FTL network or somethin

[noble fractal]

Siick

[primal surge]

nnnooo, altered carbon is more like if your brain was a chip, this is just supposedly remote control

@abstract adder Misspoke a bit, it does have oxygen (and air) but on low enough levels that normal humans are a no go, without suits at least

[abstract adder]

As far as I'm aware, given lore, Leela's dead. Tyco is elsewhere, and Durandal has fucked off in his private space ship. Mida has been around since before the events of the games, I'd find it unlikely for them to be an AI at this time

[swift osprey]

didn't the Mars government willingly sell off Deimos when their economic collapsed, why is MIDA so pissed after the fact

[primal surge]

Leela is alive, Tycho went with pfhor and maybe got wiped when the pfhor were wiped? They made a lot of baby tychos that became the de facto AIs of the pfhor fleets. MIDA has been around yes, but the name has been used by different groups, this new iteration of MIDA clearly dislikes the old MIDA who have at this point sort of integrated/infiltrated the UESC

[dire shard]

Yeah that is very true, I'm just hard coping they'll overtly connect the games somehow

[pseudo monolith]

So the colony established in tau ceti was not occupied by the humans in Marathon?

[frozen hound]

is there anywhere i can get like a lore rundown

[primal surge]

it was a human colony, but then it got blown up a year after the events of M1

[abstract adder]

Where are we getting the alive Leela element?

[primal surge]

End of M2, epilogue mentions her being an AI for a race I don't remember the name of, then she goes rampant (I think?) and crashes their FTL network for 3(?) years

[dire shard]

Leela is "alive" but she's now a glorified Trojan for some poor species' FTL network right?

[abstract adder]

I saw a theory yesterday about having tyco interact with us as a proxy for the Pfore, giving us ingame jobs that we could select, and I'd be okay with this if it were to pass

[primal surge]

I seriously hope not, it's better if they leave durandal and his story be

[pseudo monolith]

Are there any humans alive in the marathon colony ship?

[spiral rapids]

Durandal V2, electric boogaloo

[primal surge]

unknown, we don't know a lot of details from the second pfhor attack on tau ceti since 54 isn't around for it

[dire shard]

I mean it'd kinda make sense if he was keeping tabs on tau ceti in-between 2 and infinite

[abstract adder]

My BOBs, I need to know what happened to my BOBs!!!

[golden falcon]

Disagree. Durandals story is done, and assuming the new game is in fact following the originals, then Durandals not really around anymore anyway

[primal surge]

got a ship and flew to earth?

[abstract adder]

I said that more as sarcasm, sorry

[primal surge]

at least the ones that lived through Durandals tyrannical reign, lmao

ah, nw

[dire shard]

Durandal basically IS marathon in a way I think it'd be weird AF if there wasn't at least some implications for him in the lore somewhere

[spiral rapids]

May have already been discussed but it depends on what universe this one is set in...thanks infinity...

[primal surge]

Heavy disagree, it would also go against what Durandal was stated to have been up to during the time, and it would be pretty uncharacteristic of him. There wasn't a lot to connect him to TC

[open ore]

I'm sure the new Tau Ceti AIs will mentioon Durandal in conversation, but that might be about it

[thick mountain]

just release the game now please

[primal surge]

Humanity? Sure, he every once in a while came to gloat about his stuff to sol, but he wouldn't be interested in what the puny humans were up to with his obsession of Jjarro tech and escaping the heat death

[abstract adder]

What if something was discovered on Tau Ceti, and he wanted it? I think there's potential for him to come seeking anything we unearth planetside

[primal surge]

Yea, but he's also clearly found bigger Jjarro things, like the dreadnought around, so dunno why TC would be of special interest to him

[spiral rapids]

I mean according to what we know, what's moving on tau ceti isn't humans per se...so, maybe he has a way to see what's still going on down there and comes back to answer that question?

[dire shard]

I'm pretty indifferent on whether they do bring back old characters or not but if I ever I see some green text I'm going to have a stroke

[primal surge]

....aren't like most of the terminal texts in green

even from Leela, Tycho is red usually

[red meadow]

Rereading UESC logs in ARG 1

3_2_3_1. Once decommissioned, recover AI logic cores for study. As there are eleven (11) AI in total (three shipboard and eight planetside), there are a potential
eleven hardened AI enclosures that will require their own particular solutions.```

[primal surge]

the 8 planetside AIs are interesting

[red meadow]

They talk about decommisioning and recovering possible rampant ai quite a bit, thats definitely gonna be a major task the runners are racing to accomplish

[dire shard]

And most terminals are from durandal aren't they, I remember Tycho is red so I'm just extrapolating that leela would be blue. unless I'm stupid that is

[open ore]

Somewhere two of them were named. Icurus and Arthur. I don't remember if it was the recent or previous ARG though where we found that out

[primal surge]

They would've been there for a while already, increasing rampancy probabilities, which are always fun, and if one of the AIs is gonna be joyeuse as speculated I will be giddy

[dire shard]

I loooooove halo 5

[primal surge]

Leela is the one who speaks to you the most in M1 and her terminals are also green

[red meadow]

They also talk about how they are bringing extra clones for the electronic warfare units because of "potential for castrophic losses while attempting to decommision potentially multiple rampant AI"

[open ore]

Not only were they on the planet for so long, but the AI's didn't have access to a global internet either since the colonies have been destroyed. Thus, only increasing the speed of their rampancy by the time we get there

[primal surge]

CyAc terminals in general seem to be pretty green, so that alone isn't a sign of the sword boy

[primal surge]

Nooo, don't make me kill the funny AIs, who cares if they do a bit of trolling (mass murder)

[dire shard]

Let me cope....😭

[opaque maple]

hey guys im watching the trailer, what do you think that becon thing is?

[red meadow]

Huh. I just realized. The UESC mission was a 97 year journey. The Traxus mission is only 4 years because of advances in space flight. With traxus bringing the latest Sekiguchi clone tech with them, they are going to have a 97 year tech advantage against the UESC forces if it comes to a fight

[primal surge]

wait, where did you get this from
"The Traxus mission is only 4 years because of advances in space flight."

This could be pretty good indication that the BOBs got home and introduced FTL tech to the UESC

[chrome sail]

Anyone know if this is a continuation or a complete reboot?
Does all the old lore still stand as Canon in this new Marathon?

[red meadow]

lemme go find it, unless i am remembering wrong

[primal surge]

https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/15577753030420-Marathon-FAQ

[dire shard]

Spin off

[primal surge]

Same world, different story

[red meadow]

ok, Project Goliath (UESC Rescue Mission) was launched by 2797 according to the 1st ARG

[still matrix]

oof just noticed there's a TON of lore; can't wait to deep dive into this! Have seen some great sites for lore archive; if there are any that you think are really good to start with, please feel free to share. Thanks!!

[chrome sail]

Ah alright. Well I'm excited regardless! Can't wait until Saturday! Don't know if the game will be to my liking being PvP focused but I'll definitely give it a chance. I'm sure the gameplay will be top notch as with all Bungie titles!

[primal surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22RdxGNl-wA
Essentially an audiobook of M1, really nice

[still matrix]

Thank You; this is great!

[dull ocean]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/ This has an archive of all the terminals and also a lot of community theories and interactions to look through, it's the oldest and most reliable marathon recourse

[still matrix]

Thank You! I saw this before and got a bit lost, but will def take my time combing through everything!

[open ore]

If you REALLY want to get into the thick of it JakeTheAlright has covered a lot of the new lore since the first ARG and talks about how it relates to what we know. VERY in depth and long https://youtu.be/tsbT8gyeW_E?si=HsAPw7iC461dCRBS

[still matrix]

Thank You; this seems to be pretty indepth! I'll likely end up going through everything in the archives and use these vids to help put everything together. Love that there's so much lore!

[open ore]

He's also got a bunch of shorter/specific videos on his channel. Just rumage through his videos list and see if you find something that sparks your curiosity

[still matrix]

Will do! Thank you so much for the link/source/info!

[ebon mica]

Strange I thought it was a redo.. we will find out soon enough.

[whole frost]

Anyone know where i can find the compiled page/doc with all the advertisements from the ARG? Been searching cant find it anywhere. Need as references for art stuffs.

[primal surge]

The site it still there, and the pictures aren't really hidden, and downloadable easily
http://traxus.global/

[whole frost]

Sorry i'm aware @primal surge , but there was a "master", if you will, that was created during the ARG that i'm looking for. They're all there, side-by-side, like a reference sheet

[red meadow]

Ok, I cant for the life of me find the file in the ARG, but i found this timeline.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1e0ve3j/new_marathon_timeline_image_didnt_post_last_time/#lightbox
UESC mission launched in 2795, The Traxus ordered special clones from Sekiguchi in 2888 for their mission to Tau Ceti. I swear I read somewhere they talked about a 4 year journey, which would allow them to catch up to the UESC missions arrival date of 2894. If not, I guess the UESC is will have been there for near 100 years by the time the Traxus mission arrives with Mida operatives embedded.

[primal surge]

That is interesting, it would imply that the "not knowing about the attack" would be limited to the ARG state of things and not to when we arrive there.

[opaque maple]

any1 know what exactly is a dac

[primal surge]

Digital Access Card, it was used in a part of the ARG but is no longer used for anything

[whole frost]

Yeah there were a bunch of unique ones then a master DAC (from MIDA)

[opaque maple]

did everyone get dac 1

[primal surge]

unless you were in the wave of people at the time when the bot broke fully, yes

[opaque maple]

does anyone know how to get dac 2

[red meadow]

UESC launched Project Goliath cuz they suddenly lost contact with Tau Ceti. If UESC and Traxus are arriving at close to the same time, both parties could have zero knowledge of what transpired when the game launches

[primal surge]

no such thing as of yet

[whole frost]

It's not like that - @opaque maple you're not trying to collect them

[opaque maple]

no such thing or we dont know?

[opaque maple]

what is it like?

[primal surge]

as of currently, it doesn't exist, not ruling it out 100% as I suspect the ARG will have a part 2 this weekend, but even then the dacs were a part of a completely borked part of the ARG so unlikely they'd deal with them again

[whole frost]

It was a "key" we used to gain access to the website during the ARG. But as Tappi said... it's "possible" we continue this at some point. For now, if you have your DAC... and the master DAC that's it.

[primal surge]

and I will add, this is mostly ramblings of a madman, I am in no way guaranteeing there is a second part of the ARG

[opaque maple]

what is gollaith btw

[swift barn]

master dac?

[whole frost]

Yes, from the MIDA tweet

[primal surge]

master dac is on MIDA twitter

Project Goliath was in the first ARG from 2023 where they sent a scout ship to TCIV to see why they lost contact with the colony

[opaque maple]

are there any other projects?

[primal surge]

yes, I'm not gonna list them cause I don't remember them, go check a recap of ARG 1

[opaque maple]

if you copy the image from the dm you are sent when you first join it says goliath

it says: private-bucket-owner%40goliath-euw-

[primal surge]

that's just website info on how they handle the hosting of the images

[whole frost]

@swift barn https://x.com/WE_ARE_MIDA/status/1908794612820697602

[red meadow]

I FOUND IT. Its in the Mida files from ARG 1.

POSS DISRUPT OPP.
DEF JOLI ROUGE (X2 MIN).
TIME SENSITIVE DEP.TGT KNWN.
UESC SNR.
MED TNGE.
ALREADY UW.
OLDER TECH.
DEST KNWN.
VTI KNWN.
COMP KNWN.
RES EXPECTED-TOUGH N/T IMPOSSIBLE.
INTEL SAYS TRAX JVN RS CAN INTCP IN 4 YRS.```
And the previous messages were Mida talking about intercepted comms and Traxus possibly looking into project Goliath. These mida messages were sent in 2888, same time frame that Traxus was outfitting for their mission.
So yeah, 4 year intercept