🗣marathon-general-chat

[magic rose]

im not sure, they didn't talk and had white shields

[marble pendant]

I recognize the difference , i just have another opinion. An assassin is less mobile than a Destroyer, funny isnt it? Also assassin vs good players is a shell with literally 1 ability wich is a self smoke. Kinda sad but it is what it is

[boreal quiver]

when you said to stay quiet

[mighty jewel]

Finals week but marsthon had an updste ☹️

[summer stratus]

assassin flanking works but not the way people i see do it 😭
you have to flank like normal, THEN pop stealth
if you try to pop stealth then flank you either run out of time or have to make 2x as much noise from camo sprint

[somber vine]

I was kinda hoping we could put kit on different shells kind of like loadouts but that might be too OP

[halcyon mulch]

bro has never encountered a Spy in tf2

[onyx canyon]

Ohhh thats fair. Assassin can be boring to play on the other maps

[gilded seal]

i said that you're supposed to stay quiet in solos anyways because of how the game is right now, you are at a disadvantage when you are not quiet to ANY shell lmfao

[pearl hemlock]

There's no shield requirement but the gear ante is quite low (3k) so they might have had blue implants and a blue weapon to make up for it

[tardy wraith]

I notice sometimes too, dependent on how loud your team is, they can confiscate your ability to listen to assassin audio cues and dat lead to death. Makes u wanna mess with the mixing lol

[fringe halo]

especially dire but i enjoy vandal or destroyer for that

[solemn quiver]

I think I prefer Vandal over Assassin in trios since flaking works better with teamplay

[somber vine]

They probably just brought in whatever the gear ante was in weapons / bag loot

[dim ore]

either increase the drop rate of gold materials or increase stash space. these 2x2 purples are ruining my life

[gilded seal]

i fucking LOOOOOOOVE tac sprinting everywhere in solos as destroyer but i understand that it's going to get me killed more often than not, regardless of the shell other players are using because being loud in solos is just an awful idea

[magic rose]

what is ante

[low heart]

400 slots just isn’t enough imho

[onyx canyon]

Would thief also work well for flanking? I’ve hardly played her but i feel like the grapple hook can be super helpful

[somber vine]

They need to let us comit salvage to upgrades

[reef marsh]

it's not really weird or ironic because he has invis. that's the whole point of the shell; calculated tactics around invisibility. if he could move quick and capitalize on that, it'd be just taking away any sort of challenge the design of the shell presents.

so again, movement tech is on those shells because their entire identity revolves around it. just like assassin revolves entirely around invisibility.

[summer stratus]

i would heavily disagree on assassin being a passive class
you have to take crossfire angles and then crouchwalk peek w/ camo to get first shot every time
you can also make your own cover to do this with anywhere by using ult (NOT TOWARDS THE ENEMY. USE IT TOWARDS POTENTIAL REPOSITION ANGLE)

[halcyon mulch]

Vandal the flank queen. I love signal jammer powersliding into a backstab.

[boreal quiver]

not on outpost, you are supposed to be actively moving around and hunting down other players on that map

[magic rose]

and why would people play ranked without bringing in their best gear, thats so confusing. It makes me want to not play ranked if I could get teammates who aren't actually trying to pvp and win

[pearl hemlock]

Assassin is great early game when you desperately need to extract salvage, but once you can reliably extract other shells are more well rounded.

[tardy wraith]

Situational awareness is understanding the weaknesses of assassin and try to play around that. Partial invis, no mobility, audio cues etc

[low heart]

Salvage should be its own tab not taking up space

[solemn quiver]

Yeah absolutely, and her drone is phenomenal when you can coordinate with people

[somber vine]

Loadout requirement. bronze is 3000 credits worth of gear

[glad cypress]

I love fighting uesc start of the match to alert people to my position then I set up in a good position waiting for them to move in

[dim ore]

Give me gun crates or material crates. something to release me from this hell

[fringe halo]

tarkov:

[marble pendant]

Why are you stating obvious facts? I see what you say i just have a different personal preference while still accepting what they give us

[summer stratus]

it is legitimately impossible to see an assassin crouchwalking out of the edge of a smoke cloud and then when you fire back they can slide back into the cloud

[somber vine]

Smoke and thief visor is how I roll assassins lol

[pearl hemlock]

If bungie wanted salvage to take up space it should have been the only currency and credits shouldnt exist, since credits exist, yeah, salvage should be its own thing

[gilded seal]

"where is the assassin!" in the smoke cloud, don't challenge the assassin in the smoke, what is he gonna do, leave the smoke? 😭

[fringe halo]

i dont fucking use thief but how does the visor effect assasin can u like see him if he peeks

[boreal quiver]

the invis is not partial, also if you are rotating around the map with an assassin nearby, you won't even have the chance to play around his weaknesses, you just die

[full skiff]

Is anyone else getting this Thief bug where their drone falls out of the sky by itself?

[solemn quiver]

It works really well

[high hazel]

just hard counter assassins by alt f4ing

[tardy wraith]

It can be partial dependent on how aggressive the assassin moves

[heavy burrow]

If I get 9 kills spread across my squad it unlocks zone warden title?

[glad cypress]

Assassin smoke? I raise fletchette grenades for my bidding

[onyx canyon]

If you want arms lockers just go to outpost and open the armories

[summer stratus]

the point is u have to normal flank to a position where they are forced to deal with you and then set up with camo/ult

[halcyon mulch]

you could see him in general. Theif's visor highlights every enemy in sight lmao.

[fringe halo]

ur fucking lying theres no way it works

[gilded seal]

i love charging into smoke with thief visor on bc yes, it highlights assassin. it is a direct counter to invis.

[halcyon mulch]

it does, if you wanna counter solo assassins, there's your answer

[somber vine]

Full body outline of enemies, they change colour depending on what loot they have in they bag. I use it to track where invis assassins are hiding.

[glad cypress]

Or destroyer ultimate

[next sparrow]

I'm pretty sure it does works. People have done extensive testing too. Look up on youtueb

[solemn quiver]

Just magdump, usually works for me

[atomic stag]

It feels like the game wants you to bring every single possible item to counter every single possible thing. If you don't just happen to have a given item in a given situation you're just fucked.

[full skiff]

Yeah Thief's visor highlights enemies through visual obscurities like smoke, they're highlighted in the colour of the most valuable thing they're carrying

[glad cypress]

I love popping destroyer ult with a smoke lol

[fringe halo]

i genuinely thought itd hide it for assasin das crazy

[clear nymph]

Does anyone knows if you can get third partied while you fight the compiler guys ?

[sonic rain]

Last nights games were amazing

[boreal quiver]

but not if he is standing still, also the whole conversation was about gunfights with assassins

[solemn quiver]

It's explicitly what it's designed to do lol

[atomic stag]

The counter to assassin is not "listening." The actual counter is having a thermal scope or thief vision. If you have neither there's nothing you can do.

[carmine totem]

The best way to use invis is to pop it, even if they know you're there, and creep around the corner. Unless they have terminals or you're in a very bright area you will always get the first shots off and they usually almost always be right on the head. Peaking with invis is so strong because you'll see them before they have time to realize where you are. On maps like outpost, especially outside, this is unbelievably strong. It's going to be a nightmare on night dire marsh

[glad cypress]

Yes u can

[full skiff]

Better still, Thief's visor will highlight enemies if you see like any part of their body, like if you see someone's knee because they're crouched around a corner you can see all of them

[summer stratus]

in a straight 3v3 fight you have to play flanker with assassin but you have to do it without spending abilities to get into a good position

[sonic rain]

Lobby wiping perimeter and outpost like whattttt, thank goodness for the shotgun nerf, now people need to learn how to play the game lol

[pearl hemlock]

The only shell really massively vulnerable to assassins is triage (vandal has movement, destroyer has rockets, recon / theif can see him)

[clear nymph]

ok thanks

[tardy wraith]

I dont feel like this with McH kits, OS kits, cardio kicks and energy amps. Its only rlly signal jammer dependent on what map im queueing into

[fringe halo]

yeah i have like 200 hours but i dont use thief so i did not know!

[solemn quiver]

Recon ult also lol

[glad cypress]

Gotta use signal jammer to counter the visor

[magic rose]

I see, okay.
I guess I need to have friends to play ranked mode then

[marble pendant]

Guys quit it , the counterplay for assassin is having at least below average hands

[solemn quiver]

I put all my points into feet

[atomic stag]

The first two are absolutely necessary especially on marsh, latter two aren't

[full skiff]

You can listen to Assassin but the best way to counter is tracking/proximity effects (prox detector, shrapnel, tracking drone), Thief's X-ray Visor, or thermal scopes

[tardy wraith]

Standing still assaaain=he wont be able to kill u unless u move to him

Take advantage of his blind spots by listening out for his camo audio cues.

[solemn quiver]

Energy amp goes so hard tho, no one expects the second destroyer ult

[atomic stag]

The best counter play to anything it to cheat

[pallid whale]

are queue times lengthier for anyone else?

[halcyon mulch]

doesn't destroyer's ult highlight all targets too iirc?

[zenith quest]

Just ran my first assassin match. yea hes definitly a crutch

[sonic rain]

Assassin is unbelievably strong in trios if you are a team player and have a brain

[low heart]

Boo. Scum answer.

[nova walrus]

My counter for assassins is to bully them for being cowards over prox chat after I've knocked them

[atomic stag]

Listening does not solve the actual problem of not being able to see him

[gilded seal]

fav hobby

[glad cypress]

It’s been a while since I genuinely died to assassin abilities

[full skiff]

generally if I hear a cloaked assassin, I will stay totally still and wait for the cloak to wear off then move toward/peek where I last heard him (I play mostly solo)

[solemn quiver]

I just feel like they don't add a ton of offensive ability

[boreal quiver]

assassin players will downplay this shell no matter what though

[marble pendant]

i put them in hands, so i can take off that vandal oversized shirt

[atomic stag]

I'm clearly joking

[halcyon mulch]

he works as a beginner shell, good to have whenever because of the low skill floor, but his abilities are kinda limited compared to what the other shells have.

[solemn quiver]

There isn't anything under there, it's just smooth

[boreal quiver]

assassin is the strongest offensive shell lol...

[sonic rain]

Because that’s not the point, the point is to escape reposition and get the first shot off while invisible

[low heart]

Got me 😂

[zenith quest]

in solos hes a power house

[gilded seal]

don't even joke lad

[atomic stag]

Why do people say assassin is bad in trios? Clearly not true

[fringe halo]

were rage baiting atp

[silver remnant]

Recently I’ve started being able to see assassins even when they’re invis. They sort of look white glass on my screen. Anyone else have this happening to them recently? I don’t even need to use Thief vision or anything.

[somber vine]

Loot goblins

[solemn quiver]

Yeah but I have a small lizard brain and like explosions

[boreal quiver]

name a better ability for gunfights than invisibility, im waiting

[chrome hawk]

So lot of the weapon mods regarding kills counts with AI kills also ??

[gilded seal]

less about being bad but more about his utility and lack of movement not being as good as the alternatives

[halcyon mulch]

probably because most assassin players in trios are bad lmao

[pearl hemlock]

Assassin is really good for the early game but tapers off once you start reliably getting blue shields.

Thats why i think a lot of people suddenly thought the game got a lot 'harder' because people were now countering their invis knife attacks they relied on.
Like there were entire solo lobbies full of assassins at one point and now people know how to counter, so they complain the game 'got harder'

[low heart]

Healing

[somber vine]

wrong reply rip

[solemn quiver]

gun

[sonic rain]

That’s what I mean you have to approach it way way diff and then when it hits it’s like

[boreal quiver]

ok this one is fair

[atomic stag]

He's not a movement class, this isn't a problem

[tardy wraith]

Dire marsh is one of my favorite maps in the game. All my hrs in it and i still dont feel inclined in bring McH kits and OS kits. And thats only because i have situational awareness to not get hit by plants or lasers.

[fringe halo]

disrupt for pressure shield for pressure destroyers alt for more damage literally any fucking gun ever

[halcyon mulch]

throwing homing missiles at your enemy's face.

[solemn quiver]

Is now a good time to mention I'm a recon main, I simply choose to not engage with invisibility

[boreal quiver]

wrong, this one will get you killed if you do this in someone's face

[halcyon mulch]

I respect you for playing recon

[sonic rain]

Recon is insanely strong now tbh we’ve had recons that carried us through cryo

[gilded seal]

a lack of movement when most of the shells in the game have stellar movement, or recon who has utility that contributes to the team infinitely more than assassin is in fact, a problem in trios. assassin players have to be better than average in trios because an average solo assassin is dogshit in trios.

[pearl hemlock]

I always bring MCH kits but, of all my time playing i've never felt the need to bring OS one's

Technically you are supposed to be hacked by theif's visor but that's only happened a handful of times since the games been out

[somber vine]

I feel I need MCH kits because I am so focused on players I trip on those plants

[solemn quiver]

My stupid idiot son is still pretty bad but her ult is insanely good for applying pressure.

You can't hide

[halcyon mulch]

hey you said name a better ability than invis in a gunfight, never said you have to survive them 🤷‍♂️

[zenith quest]

the bot is still a little glitchy every blue moon, but other than that? I kinda agree recon has had a MAJOR improvement

[north oar]

i think people really just arent abusing smoke enough

[boreal quiver]

obviously invisibility's main strength is getting the first shot in, so please don't use shooting as a counterexample, shooting while using their abilities is exactly what every other shall cannot do (except for triage)

[solemn quiver]

People just freeze up when there's smoke, it's wild

[sour swallow]

the humble destroyer barricade:

[fringe halo]

this literally is just the who ever shoots first wins concept brah

[soft plank]

Dio pfp?

[tardy wraith]

I still never feel the need to bring McH kits. Unless they add more content thats delivers those debilitations more commonly, then i feel more inclined to start bringing them.
For the meantime tho, they just feel like a waste of space.

[sonic rain]

I’m of the opinion that assassin serves the team best to reposition, flank or poke at people to keep them away and help their teammates escape or survive

[pearl hemlock]

Recon was always pretty strong, it's just that she really shines on outpost and cryo and doesn't have the movement for open maps like perimeter and dire

So in the first weeks people thought it was underpowered

[onyx canyon]

The crab tracks invis assassins right?

[zenith quest]

this. takes agro off you from uesc, grants invis even after you leave smoke if you have the right build, adn makes you a repositioning demon

[north oar]

not even that, maybe i just had a bad time in cryo but when i went in with 2 assassins they did nothing but stand back and try to do picks on the other side. didnt use a single one of their damn abilities

[halcyon mulch]

I always bring smoke grenades with assassin. in a trio his ult works really well with Triage whenever someone goes down.

[gilded seal]

me when i have no situational awareness and first shot advantage decides every fight i'm in, what is even cover

[solemn quiver]

the humble destroyer air dash:

[boreal quiver]

invisibility guarantees the first shot, that's why it's the strongest

[pearl hemlock]

eh they are a lifesaver if you walk in the path of a tentacle drone

[tardy wraith]

😂
Cant blame ya.

[north oar]

smoke in pve is practically free kills. can even just run around knifing

[fringe halo]

yo if theres no cover in the open and he gets the shot first in whose winning

[atomic stag]

They can make themselves and the whole team invisible man, the smoke is an instant win button and instant escape route. He clearly has utility.

[solemn quiver]

Maybe but he barely tracks anything to begin with so it's kind of moot

[onyx canyon]

I’ll always love my little crab 🥹🥹

[zealous venture]

Hey, be nice to our chud son. He's trying 😡

[reef marsh]

it can, crab tracking is more effective when you damage the target first

[north oar]

the crab can track invis assassin yeah, its just a little wonky still

[solemn quiver]

Did I say I didn't love him

[hot trout]

i stand correct, devs changed cryo so that you cant bumrush peoples spawn. I may actually be able to learn the map layout now

[tardy wraith]

Ig, in all my encounters, ive never died to a tentacle drone or the rooting to get me killed by a another team.

[onyx canyon]

I didnt know that, good to know

[heavy stream]

A little wonky is an understatement.

[somber vine]

REALLY?!

[north oar]

maybe he should try a little less and we just toss him like a heat grenade

[halcyon mulch]

does the crab track better if you ulted first?

[onyx canyon]

But yeah the crab tracking is wonky still. Do you think it might get buffed in the future?

[solemn quiver]

be nice to jerry

[north oar]

no

[reef marsh]

yes, a common complaint about crab tracking is mostly because people arent using it correctly in the first place.

it's pretty good when ur not hail marying it like a tracking grenade. and instead, shooting first, then sending in the crab

[quasi flower]

hashtag marathon sweep

[tardy wraith]

Crab tracky still wonky but there's a substantial difference.

[north oar]

prob not, recon is real strong right now. at least the damn thing isnt wondering off nearly as much

[solemn quiver]

It is a lot better but it's still unreliable - he loves trees, he wants to be tall

[carmine totem]

Idk why people just make arguments like this with how unpredictable this game can be sometimes. Unless you're playing as slowly and as ratty as possible there will be times where you're caught in the open, there will be times where someone gets a first shot on you, and in solos especially this is usually happening all at once because of how slow some players can play. It's not like I'm any better. On outpost I'll just camp red card spawns and kill people while they're going to get it

[onyx canyon]

I’ve had my crab go PAST enemies and come back to me before lol

[hot trout]

yes, you have to get clearence enough to make it to Control (center room) before anyone can come through the vents to those areas. Makes the first engagements more likely to happen in Control (which I feel was the flow the map design was meant for)

[solemn quiver]

He got homesick

[somber vine]

THANK GOD!!!!!

[reef marsh]

they only fixed the vent rush tactic, which is definitely a W

u can still get clearance 2 pretty quick if you have good screen RNG, so still expect jumping in your second room if you're playing in a sweat lobby

[halcyon mulch]

just dont get shot man, ez pz

[neat bough]

can thief see players through walls??

[pearl hemlock]

It's kind of laughable just how not intimidating assassin's ult is compared to recon's, destroyers or even vandals

[gilded seal]

i never said he didn't have utility? what are you taking in a team fight, smoke or echo pulse? dive or crab? one person getting invis or destroyer popping shield and drawing aggro? smoke or a thief on the high ground? like i'm not saying assassin is impossible to use in trios, his lack of movement and his utility benefits himself more than the whole team more often than not. smoke disk is fine, i love smoke disk, but it also sets you up in a bad spot if other people are also running assassin, or people have thermals, or have a thief, or have nades to spam, or if it's popped in a poor spot because you can literally just wait for people to leave smoke.

[tardy wraith]

Extraction shooters have so many different precedents designed to get u killed that moving too slow or moving too fast can be the vacuum to your end. Just dont be a dick and move too fast for what ur teammates doesnt usually handle.

[halcyon mulch]

nope, the visor only tracks loot chests through walls, for enemies or players it needs direct line of sight.

[sour swallow]

what abt 0 clearance access to cargo with thief? surely they know about that one

[north oar]

im replacing him with an adopted blue lobster

[solemn quiver]

I mean, three free smoke grenades is genuinely useful

[hot trout]

this gives me a way more fighting chance, and I'll probably die, but now I'll actually have an oppurtunity to learn the map a little bit so I can properly do placement in an engagement lol. That was my issue, I didn't feel like I was able to begin to play ball

[marble pendant]

The stealth class letting everybody know where he's at. Failed shell completely

[boreal quiver]

I love how people here treat trios like it's the main game mode

[hot trout]

its one way until someone opens it from their spawn

[solemn quiver]

This guy doesn't know that visibility is a mechanic

[marble pendant]

I'll be the judge of that

[gilded seal]

i'm acknowledging first shot advantage, i haven't discarded that because i've mentioned it several times. i'm just saying that first shot advantage does not decide every single fight

[somber vine]

Nope. Can see loot through walls but not players or enemies. As a thief main this would be far too OP. There is a bit of overlap between thief and recon but this is leaning far too into recons roll

[stone jasper]

lowkey it is though, bungie loves the fireteam meta

[tardy wraith]

At one point it was and it kinda still is since cryo excludes solos

[carmine totem]

It doesn't really need to be intimidating. It's a good way to stop a fight entirely. It's saved my life countless times, more than something like destroyers. Especially if I have a thermal when I use it

[boreal quiver]

assassin is an offensive shell, not a stealth shell

[halcyon mulch]

it is though, I mean Cryo's literally the endgame rn and that's trios only

[gilded seal]

i have literally said that assassin is strong in solos, like i don't completely disagree with you. trios and solo are different games basically.

[solemn quiver]

Can you get better bait

[visual stump]

Because it kinda is?

[low heart]

Well it is, only game mode you can do the whole game in…

[zealous venture]

It always cracks me up in trios. "Hey look, there's an assassin. Wrap right and keep an eye out for the nerd"

[sour swallow]

yeah this still makes revival/steerage the optimal spawn and cargo/index is gonna be where you go to get slimed out by 3 teams at once lol

[hot trout]

tho maybe not, that wasn't what i was dying to tho. My team was dying instantly upon entering Control as if a team was waiting for us the whole time. Now we can maybe go off to the side, or something

[atomic stag]

Sorry your initial message mentioned utility and I thought you meant a lack thereof. I agree other classes are stronger.

[boreal quiver]

who are you?

[reef marsh]

it’s definitely a good fix, as preservation spawn was just getting camped by high tier players. made the map way too predictable; we often won games because we’d third party multiple teams trying to jump preservation team.

so it’s good, you have more breathing room. just giving you a heads up that clearance 2 can still be achieved quickly and the secondary routes into other pathways are still open, so keep your head on a swivel in room 2 before you go mid. or even, consider rotating into other routes instead of mid

[hot trout]

and my misriah will feel good now vs wstrs lmao

[marble pendant]

womp womp i make low tier baits

[high hazel]

girls dont play video games

[tardy wraith]

Thats the worm mother. Respect sekicoochie😋

[halcyon mulch]

Bungie should rework Assassin's ult from a smoke grenade to a sapper he could use to take down sentry nests tbh.

[visual stump]

LMFAO

[marble pendant]

Wait did they patch the vent rush and shit in cryo ?

[atomic stag]

I love her as much as the next guy but I think the worst class is Vandal. The cannon can't kill anything and her slide animation is a cutscene.

[carmine totem]

Yeah

[sour swallow]

my team fought every team in cryo one after another off of preservation spawn once that shit is crazy, literally everyone wanted to rush our spawn but nobody was smart enough to third party 🥀

[hot trout]

to be fair bungie did literally bring us the cocnept of a shooter that had all available concepts in playlists

[boreal quiver]

this attitude is the reason this game is losing players, majority of the playerbase in any game is solo. Locking it out of the endgame entirely is just stupid

[solemn quiver]

good fucking lord lol

[halcyon mulch]

you just made me spat yogurt how dare you

[reef marsh]

idk if it’s official, but there’s map leaks of them adding clearance panels to the vents in bio and pres. so hopefully yes

[marble pendant]

Source: My immaginary world

[pearl hemlock]

woke colors is why the game is losing players, ackshually

[atomic stag]

Number 1 by a wide margin is triage. After the buffs Recon is a firm 2nd.

[zealous venture]

Me when I think I'm the only playable character

[halcyon mulch]

there it is, there's the player numbers, pack it up boys.

[hot trout]

idk i play Mouse P.I. For Hire and the b&w colors were also woke

[honest bough]

Bungie, add wall penetration you cowards

[marble pendant]

Well let's hope so, the let's all rush to preservation stuff was getting really boring

[high hazel]

24 hour peak was below 20k.......

[reef marsh]

agreed

[carmine totem]

I'm pretty sure that's already a thing with some weapons

[boreal quiver]

might as well pack it up atp indeed

[gilded seal]

destiny syndrome. titan and warlock doing everything better than vandal. in this case it's destroyer mogging vandal. HOWEVER, vandal has good vertical movement which is good on it's own.

[hot trout]

24 hour peak for the first descendant is a 98% player drop it is literall not relevant

[somber vine]

The artstyle is why im so hooked, Ive played nothing else like it that looks and feels like this game. Its different in a good way and has a crisp combat loop that's addictive as fuck. I wish more people saw it this way

[atomic stag]

Thief's vertical movement is straight up better

[solemn quiver]

Vandal is fun but I think she's probably the weakest shell rn - not bad but not great

[gilded seal]

*doing everything better than hunter, not vandal lmao 😭

[barren scaffold]

Vandal is awesome you just have to get the purple core that makes her jumps work

[carmine totem]

Vandal is great In solos. Destroyer is good In solos as well but the shield is just perfect for team plays

[tardy wraith]

Nah but the closest is prestige circuit breaker but that only wallbang bubbles

[marble pendant]

but vandal is for highround and fast rotation and destroyer for hard ape pushing. They are balanced in the sense that they do different stuff. Also vandal in cryo is godlike with the triple jump

[hot trout]

i do hope, since the the art style is so composite, that someone out there will make similar aesthetics for a different kind of video game. I also wish someone would make something like the Chao garden from sonic into an entire game

[atomic stag]

I think vandal's cannon should be able to kill SOMETHING on splash damage. Right now it just pushes things around which is annoying.

[high hazel]

vandal needs a different ult tbh, the only good thing about it is that it resets your heat bar

[gilded seal]

yeah, before recon buff thief's drone and visor mogged recon as a whole as well 😭

[barren scaffold]

It’s a displacement tool that one shots uesc recruits, or you can rocket jump with it and hit the skybox using the blue core

[zealous venture]

There's no greater thrill than sprinting at an assassin with destroyer shield up while watching them visibly panic. 🤌

[carmine totem]

I have that but haven't used it yet. (No shooting range) And I'm not about to bring it in solo just to get ratted 🛌🏽

[finite sentinel]

thief is awesome

[atomic stag]

RECRUITS lmao

[solemn quiver]

I think it's more that Vandal doesn't have a ton of utility rn - Recon and Assassin are in a similar boat but their kits are so focused that it sort of levels out. Vandal does get nuts with better cores tho

[halcyon mulch]

if the cannon kills in one shot, Vandal would be overpowered lmao. the cannon is more of a shieldbreaker utility that lets you rush people. Vandal plays more like a scout where her mobility gets her to advantageous positions better than the other classes could.

[reef marsh]

ive heard enough, buff vandal's arm cannon so it one shots purple teams

[barren scaffold]

Yeah idk what you want out of a short cd tactical ability

[atomic stag]

Can it kill a blue bot on direct hit? Is that too much to ask

[gilded seal]

totally but you can also use destroyer movement for quick rotation as well, it's just better as an aggression tool because you can use all your movement with shield up/ there are cores that buff you for using your movement around hostiles on destoryer (not sure what vandal cores look like, i don't use her, she's kind of cheeks unfortunately)

and yeah i mentioned it in my other message, she has great vertical mobility which is huge on it's own. mogged by thief though

[solemn quiver]

Fire the charged shot at a trio right before they hit the 10 seconds on extract

[sour swallow]

yeah that’s like 300 damage buddy 😭

[tardy wraith]

Give Vandal Nova Bomb

[finite sentinel]

how would you all buff vandal

[atomic stag]

The cannon should be better against bots then

[carmine totem]

Honestly Im surprised people still panic when a destroyer rushes them down with a shield. That delay on the shield is punishing in a 1v1. A destroyer did that to me and I hit him with a vandal cannon that knocked him back and got him stuck on something. Bro literally couldn't move lmao

[halcyon mulch]

slide cancelling

[fading skiff]

give her air control so i can bhop the fun way

[solemn quiver]

Give her ult a party speed buff, like a cardio kick effect

[hollow cosmos]

With the world's softest cloth, one foot @ a time

[atomic stag]

Okay maybe just buff the cannon a little. I agree one shotting runners without a direct hit would be insane.

[gilded seal]

well timed vandal cannons are REAL good. vandal has the framework of being so good but falls short

[high hazel]

her ult is unironically so bad

[hot trout]

i wouldn't movement is absurdly strong in any shooter

[halcyon mulch]

well yeah it does like 300 damage on a hit, usually killing blue bots in one shot

[finite sentinel]

this might be too much

[zealous venture]

Yeah, it's not the smartest tactics but its absolutely a power play 🤣

[reef marsh]

tbh, id just make vandal's arm cannon have zero charge up. max damage on just activating the ability.

then her kit is completely. everything else is totally fine; maybe some other counter to heat grenades, but that's about it tbh. she's got incredible movement tech and vertical advantages in a fight, let alone raw speed in her ult

[carmine totem]

Shatterdive but when she dives she shoots her cannon. (Does no self damage either) 🛌🏽

[fading skiff]

not really any shooter

[atomic stag]

Her ult should just remove her heat bar instead of just producing less heat. Let her fully bypass that system for a few seconds.

[solemn quiver]

I think you could shorten the charge time a little bit - honestly it's a bit awkward to use rn

[reef marsh]

it does already

[finite sentinel]

cook

[tardy wraith]

Vandal getting a charged direct with her cannon on a runner should put them in ragdoll state like what she did to Assassin in the cinematic. Dont do that

[marble pendant]

You think thief has anything to vandal ?

[halcyon mulch]

it does. it removes all built up heat and extends your heat meter

[solemn quiver]

I mean it basically already does tho

[chilly coral]

Thief is hot vandal isn't that's it

[carmine totem]

He's saying remove it entirely. You still generate heat with her ult. Basically infinite stamina

[sour swallow]

helldivers ass mechanic 💔

[boreal quiver]

for a shell slightly below rook on the tierlists, she is not that bad

[hot trout]

the one who resets first, repositions faster, moves faster, gets where you want to be sooner, is the one adding the most pressure

[gilded seal]

hook is insane?

[atomic stag]

No I mean she should literally not have a heat bar pop up when she moves around. It should produce zero heat.

[solemn quiver]

Yeah, they kiss

[wet herald]

FINALLY got a stupid Alien Alloy from the Anomaly, holy

[finite sentinel]

yeah i think buffs to her movement might just make her way too dominant

[halcyon mulch]

theif's movement speed increases based on how much loot is in her backpack, at max she could run at double the speed of other shells iirc.

[fading skiff]

in tacfps where you die in 1 (or a few) shots to the head, movement is typically not the winning factor in your gunfights

[barren scaffold]

The only tierlist I care about is the feet tierlist and they are all at S except for assassin, checkmate 🥱

[solemn quiver]

Approved

[marble pendant]

For dying ? Hook is only good when nobody is where you are grappling to, its for repositioning not for pushing an highround.

[boreal quiver]

damn that's based

[sharp remnant]

you basically already have infinite stamina

[chilly coral]

I think vandal should produce heat still of course but maybe I guess tune it down so it feels like you can slide more than twice without overheating

[reef marsh]

ah i see. alright that's actually a good idea imo.

her main problem is like destroyer when it comes to heat, but destroyer can kinda outplay the heat grenades with thrusters since they offer more quick, short adjustments that help you dodge grenades. while vandal's is more in a long slide, so not always optimal

her ult giving her a hard counter to heat grenades and heat in general would actualy be a strong change that won't make her too OP imo

[atomic stag]

There's a guy on reddit who's been doing awesome blender work with vandal lol

[tardy wraith]

Make vandal be able to cancel her slide near the halfpoint and give her a 1 second weapon dexterity buff after exiting it.

Her prime ability trail should also leave a tenporary cardio kick buff to teammates and maybe enemies.

[sour swallow]

ohh vandal just needs to completely bypass a core mechanic for her to be good instead of relying on player skill and positioning

[daring lark]

Random but the UK just passed a bill where if you’re born after 2009 you can NEVER buy a vape or any kind of tobacco product, it’s lifelong

[finite sentinel]

zenith's thief blender work with thief😋

[barren scaffold]

The only saving grace about dire is that you can power slide forever if you have the no heat sliding in water implant

[stone jasper]

grapple hook def for repositioning and taking high ground, doesnt generate much heat and lets you take off angles much quicker than a double jump

[solemn quiver]

Vandal's movement is great, but I think she needs a little more utility

[halcyon mulch]

you rarely die in one shot to the head in this game though. Only thing that could do that is either the snipers, railguns, or shotguns. repositioning tools benefits offense more than it does defense too, being able to move fast lest you jump on people easier.

[carmine totem]

Nah there's been times where I've nearly reached heat capacity on vandal but I'm doing a LOT of movement. It's also dependent on your builds and implants

[fallen echo]

bruh I died and sat around for like 5 minutes waiting for my teammate to exfil hoping they would have valuables for my contract progress and they had literally none 😭

[proper sedge]

Had best rook run ever 17k another rook killed me in final exfil with 1 second left amazing can't even loot me

[somber vine]

Hook is great at creating distance or closing a gap, Ive even used it for flanking with a shotgun (pre nerf lol)

[gilded seal]

you also get so much momentum and you can hook around corners, double jumping and then vaulting into an engagement with a team on highground sounds like an awesome way to get fucking beamed

[solemn quiver]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEE

[reef marsh]

grapple hook vs vandal movement tech is honestly a pretty close debate, which is why vandal is in a bad spot lol

grapple generating zero heat and having a short enough CD to use in a long term fight, kinda makes thief movement superior imo

[wet herald]

Vandals long slide should have directional control, like being able to U turn with it or slide past a corner. Seems so clunky that you can only slide straight on for the whole thing

[halcyon mulch]

her ult could be improved tbh. either a cardio kick or energy amp effect would be cool.

[tardy wraith]

Buff vandals movement/utility without make her shoot while sliding, dat just sounds cancerous.

[hot trout]

if u place faster to where someone is going to be and then shoot them first u kill them first

[still flicker]

jus made 100k in an hour

[barren scaffold]

Vandals 3rd ability slot could go towards a power slide toggle/ powerer slide that instantly overheats you and puts you on the other side of the map

[finite sentinel]

oh hell nah this would be apex neo strafing all over again

[halcyon mulch]

hold up ur cookin

[solemn quiver]

Yeah my big thing is that she really doesn't help the team aside from stuff any other shell can already do

[fading skiff]

ttk is still low enough to outperform the majority of players fighting close-mid range before repositioning is even possible

[reef marsh]

i think she just needs more counter to overheating tbh. she's very easy to kill and catch in a heat grenade tbh, her ult having immunity against it would be enough imo

[gilded seal]

getting caught in a heat grenade as destroyer makes me religious, i start praying

[halcyon mulch]

nah, I've had multiple matches with vandal where I win a 1v3 by kiting people around a compound.

[fading skiff]

thats a way to break down "movement" to basic semantics i guess but thats not how we talk about "movement" in shooters at all

[carmine totem]

Yes actually. Why does she need a heat meter when she uses her ult 🗣️🗣️

[sullen lagoon]

I'm thinking about slapping the chip making you do more non headshot damage when overheated on the volt thrower since it doesn't deal extra precision damage

[sharp remnant]

i feel like you can just shield up no?

[dusk rune]

Let Vandal use the wstr for force of nature jumps like scout tf2 /j

[marble pendant]

You have no idea the amount of thiefs that i kill cause they think they can use the hook on a roof to get highround cause her animation is so slow. I agree the hook itself is very good i'm saying is much more dangerous than vandal double jump that is controlled

[pearl hemlock]

Vandal should be able to to channel heat somehow, just purely to incentivise constant movement.

[tardy wraith]

Pick 1:

Amplify leaving a cardio kick trail for teammates or full on overheat immunity

[fading skiff]

your anecdotal experience doesnt mean anything without clips

[hushed dagger]

more damage on ballistic weapons when 50% heat or higher

[barren scaffold]

Vandal shines in cryo archive though she’s like THE shell to use if you aren’t on triage/recon duty imo

[gilded seal]

oh you totally can, but once you're caught in a heat nade you're probably getting team shotted. shield goes down, you're overheated with thrusters and tac sprint, and regular sprint down, it's just a bad time 😭

[tardy wraith]

POWERPLEX

[inner nacelle]

Why are yall saying vandal needs a buff she needs a nerf, she needs to have chains in her boots 😁

[finite sentinel]

oh? and who at sony told you that

[pearl hemlock]

Jon Sony: "i've been informed of a game of ours having woke colors, game is kill"

[halcyon mulch]

thief waiting a century to recover her hook, meanwhile vandal double jumps into the second floor like it's a tuesday

[west rivet]

What are you talking about?

[reef marsh]

id go for overheat immunity. mostly because her problems dont stem from a lack of team utility, but because you can't really use her effectively like destroyer or thief.

team utility seems more designed for triage and recon, so i think she just needs some self love buffs to make her more useful when she engages

[inner nacelle]

Buff assassin nerf vandal

[still flicker]

i use vandal . vandal is my new main

[tardy wraith]

Im down with either or icl.

[gilded seal]

okay and what do you want us to do if you're wrong

[halcyon mulch]

oh dont mind him, just a troll.

[marble pendant]

Yeah onestly i dont get the thief glaze, shell became really lackluster after recon buffs

[solemn quiver]

Yeah they're making me queen of marathon

[torn token]

Love it when people are cryptic instead of being blunt and straightforward

[somber vine]

I tried vandal and had this happen to me many times. Went back to thief because if a heat nade touched me I can grapple away

[west rivet]

Is it fun as a solo?

[still flicker]

yep

[hot trout]

idk really for me talking abot this stuff takes away the fun of the game, I don't like optimizing the game like that, thinking so hard about the to and fro of mechanics is how you ruin your fun in most games I play, I refuse to take it that seriously lest i slip into the mindset of a streamer

[inner nacelle]

Oh yea have fun with all 20 assassins:D

[barren scaffold]

Anything is more fun than playing him

[finite sentinel]

dude some assassin mains be working overtime to repair assassin's reputation

[sullen ridge]

I see more triages in solo than boids

[somber vine]

Source: "Trust me bro. My dad works at bungie"

[gilded seal]

boids 😭

[solemn quiver]

Yeah I hate playing him in solo

[reef marsh]

vandal popping her prime should inspire an enemy team to adjust their tactics because they're expecting her to rush in and blitz them imo. something like, "vandal used prime, be ready for her to sprint at you"

right now, her prime is more of a nonfactor because people know they can just heat nade her out of it.

[fading skiff]

well its a competitive game; you have to have some level of optimization to succeed

[west rivet]

Assassin is just easy prey as a thief

[jolly token]

Just give rook a misriah FUCK it

[solemn quiver]

You know what would be kind of cool - give her prime a melee buff, let her become punch vandal

[gilded seal]

FINALLY, SOMEONE IS SPEAKING SOME SENSE!!!!

[inner nacelle]

Na give them the rocket launcher

[hot trout]

every game is competitive now im not doing that sorry im not going to turn my hobby into a competition, thats how fun just becomes work

[barren scaffold]

If I wanted to run past bots after making the loudest noise ever I would queue rook

[finite sentinel]

give rooks a death sentence

[dusk rune]

Give rook a random shotgun

[pearl hemlock]

Give rook his hat back

[solemn quiver]

Exactly

[gilded seal]

circuit breaker rook, good lord 😭

[barren scaffold]

If I get a circuit breaker I’m jumping off the map

[somber vine]

Give rooks an energy sword FUCK IT

[hot trout]

rook spawn with goo gun

[inner nacelle]

We should make a petition where they have a game mode, only dedicated for rooks where they give the compiler gun to everyone

[reef marsh]

eh, again, not really helpful because she's so easy to stop in the prime lol. her movement and speed should be uninterrupted imo when she's in prime; giving her more melee isn't gonna do anything if you're a sitting duck because the enemy hit you with two heat nades to cancel your movement lol

[jolly token]

Im not even joking bro like if im gonna be on a green shield with a 2 shot shotgun that cant even down in 3 shots anymore give me a fuckin misriah

[tardy wraith]

Vandal vs Chase from Dispatch, who wins the blitz?

[carmine totem]

Any class is fun solo if you're good at the game tbh(you won't die as much)

[silver sorrel]

When you enter a pvp game, you are going to face people who are trying to win. This game is competitive by nature.

[solemn quiver]

I'm thinking more a D2 titan ult type thing

[gilded seal]

switching to your secondary is faster than reloading 😏

[zealous venture]

Young chase or old chase? I need to know if I need to cry afterwards 😭

[fading skiff]

that literally doesnt make sense...

[hot trout]

duh yes but im not sitting here making my entire experience about that

[tardy wraith]

Old

[silver sorrel]

Word. As long as you're happy.

[marble pendant]

That is what is called a personal opinion tho. We respect it but you are a big minority onestly

[solemn quiver]

good

[barren scaffold]

Give vandal pre-nerf consecration 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[pearl hemlock]

Misriah + circuit traces is obscene

[reef marsh]

yeah i know, but she's already dangerous if you dont interrupt her speed in the prime. so playing into that design more is fine; adding more melee damage would be too much or just not really do much imo

[gilded seal]

i'm a big minority (fat brown and gassy)

[hot trout]

so if im sweating my balls off pedantically trying to figure out every single possible statistic as to why i lose im not thinking about things like "hey that thing over there looks cool" or "wow I liked that voiceline" or anything that is also part of a fucking video game dude

[mellow scroll]

Sorry your learning abilities are stunted? Not the games fault

[fading skiff]

sure, thats apart of the game; have i ever said it wasnt? or are you just getting emotional at me for nothing

[silver sorrel]

I tend to do all of that tbh. I love tryharding, but I also love enjoying the atmosphere, the cutscenes, the codex entries etc.

[barren scaffold]

Has anyone gotten a Durandal voiceline on their run start at all recently? Does that even happen anymore

[gilded seal]

i have recently on dire marsh, peed a little

[finite sentinel]

marathon is competitive but not in a way that would allow a lot of uncontrolled movement like apex legends or the finals

[hot trout]

thats why im playing this and not tarkov; tarkov is a milsim to me. it lacks personality outside of the fact that it is an extraction shooter. the cultists aren't interesting. duh yes im learning how to get better, vandal is just a well designed character, you wont succeed in me thinking i know better than people who have developed games for literally my entire fucking life lol

[spring island]

Saying tarkov lacks personality is wild 😂

[carmine totem]

I love the stryder gold mod. It's so fun

[barren scaffold]

I thought I’d heard every oni voiceline and then she drops the outpost is full of the ghosts of dead colonists voiceline

[zealous venture]

Just give me mirage's ability from Apex on a shell and I'll be a happy man

[hot trout]

it just feels like arma to me

[reef marsh]

again, if this game is to go more casual, it would just need to loot shower so people arent as stressed about gear as they are rn. loot disparity is the core mechanic keeping casuals and lower skill players from enjoying the brutal loop of marathon.

part of the brutal nature of pvp is needing to sweat like this to not die, but the major problem for most people is that losing gear means losing hours of grinding. so they wont tolerate losing streaks to get better at the game like those who have more riches from wins.

[tardy wraith]

Beautiful light looks amazing. Still looks more on the unpolished side in terms of PvE interactions but its coming together nicely.

[marble pendant]

Tarkov has no personality has to be one of the worst takes i've ever heard in my life. And im in bungie game's discord

[gilded seal]

i love the hints of cosmic horror sprinkled throughout the game

[finite sentinel]

they eventually will in some shape or form lol

[barren scaffold]

Sorry the ghost commanders took that

[carmine totem]

Can we get a metro exodus extraction shooter

[echo bough]

I just love how each shell is definitely playable and can each be used equally to win fights. None of them are truly that much better than the others, just fit their niches

[fading skiff]

this is just tarkov with extra hitpoints tbf; and your history with game developments doesnt mean anything in the argument that movement is not what you referred to as a concept in extraction shooters

[zealous venture]

What I'm hearing is that I need to skin a ghost commander

[spring island]

unsuccessful rage bait

[solemn quiver]

Can we get Oni in Sekigen, can we buy cyberacme

[hot trout]

im not entering that debate cuz its a trap, for me video games used to have all of that together, if it didn't have all of that it was considered to be missing something. i also grew up with server brwoser as a standard, so i got to play literally any dynamic i wanted from mlg to gun game to 1000x servers

[barren scaffold]

Playable uesc mode when @bungie

[marble pendant]

And degrade his obedience matrix while he's still active

[carmine totem]

Can we add Lucy from edgerunners into this game

[gilded seal]

i do not give a fuck about tarkov, i however think arma has much more personality than tarkov though

but what even is personality. yeah this game has a shit ton of personality because it isn't green and gray (and a milsim) 😭

[barren scaffold]

Who need they obedience matrix degraded 👀

[marble pendant]

Mhh 2 baddies come right up for me

[silver sorrel]

For a lot of us, this game is hitting all the buttons: The gameplay is engaging and skill expressive, the story is fun and interesting, the aesthetic is pretty nice etc etc. That is at least what it is doing for me and many others.

[odd bear]

thanks for the gold bully and gold outland

[fading skiff]

as a movement shooter player my whole life, im telling you youre wrong (do you see how dumb that sounds?)

your experience isnt necessarily unique, all im saying is the concept of "movement" in a game like this means wildly different than movement in a game like apex legends or call of duty

[hot trout]

idk im bored of "military aesthetic" because thats 90% of first person shooters i literally feel nothing looking at 20 attachments for the 500th ak47 in a video game ive seen witht he character being "guy in the military wearing military clothes"

[barren scaffold]

Keep the gold bully and never use it, it’s evil
Sell it even

[sharp yoke]

dude cryo is out in 25 hours im so excited

[reef marsh]

it's not a trap lol. what you're talking about is what made BRs more successful as a design because they are inherently more friendly to casual play. marathon would be more of a BR if they loot showered. you could tolerate losses and play more casually if you had a vault full of purple gear and could easily make nearly unlimited purple loadouts with your resources.

but this game isn't fully BR, it's extraction. so the economics and resources area of the game is way more punishing, and that naturally pushes people to have problems like you are experiencing.

hence why we have this debate. the game would be so much more approachable if it was BR focused, but instead, it is hardcore and extraction. nature of the two sides.

[spring island]

People who say tarkov has no personality havent played tarkov. Its literally as simple as that

[barren scaffold]

Outpost playable again. Just 25 hours away. Playable outpost in 25 hours

[gilded seal]

i played tarkov and literally gave my account to my friend. that game is shit, idk what to tell you.

[hot trout]

at this point its just now naming the ak47 to the like the ak-57-b as a creative selling point

[ancient siren]

Have yet to set foot in cryo, am focusing on faction unlocks/rank up

[fading skiff]

shakbarrigum apatopababum (or whatever that one scav says)

[torn token]

Cheeki breeki

[tardy wraith]

I still think this is fixed by improving the contracts next season and lowering the cost of blue rarity faction upgrades.

They overvalued some these faction upgrades to where a lot of ppl are like "Man, this is taking too long, i already found many purple gear, fuck this shit" mentality

[sharp yoke]

when we playing dune

[solemn quiver]

I'm gonna go to cryo and drink all of the coolent from the pits

[reef marsh]

nah cause at the end of the day, that's lessening a symptom of the problem.

extraction will never be casual friendly. the design is against the grain.

[spring island]

Having an opinion of a game being bad, and a game lacking personality are two very different things

[carmine totem]

I still don't have the ability to buy purple shields yet 200 hours into the game and nearly every faction at vip lmao I just use the barter system to buy a bunch of purple shields

[tardy wraith]

Is what i said not more casual friendly?

[silver sorrel]

The movement in this game is nice, but it definitely isn't on the levels of quake or UT 2K4. They actively remove unintended movement exploits like thief grapple jump or equipment jumping.

The movement is that staple "Bungie" style that feels good and isn't overbearing to learn.

[thin anchor]

Man, now that I know how to do lockdowns, that's all I wanna do. Fuck this work shit

[tawny plover]

last night i heard someone say "just come and kill me" when i spawned in orientation so i asked if he was okay and he said no, then i went upstairs and there were claymores fucking everywhere

[regal tulip]

Just bought the game the other day, am I tripping? my friend says hes in game but i load up mine and it says servers are down

[solemn quiver]

Yeah I genuinely think that Bungie has a different idea of how people play these games vs how they're actually played - so much of the design seems to be against itself

[barren scaffold]

You will never see them they aren’t actually a real event. It’s all doctored footage from the alpha

[reef marsh]

like i said, not really. it does relatively nothing to make casuals want to enjoy the game. lessening a grind they dont wanna do, will do very little to appease them.

[echo bough]

I honestly didn’t pay attention to half the upgrades and just got my gear from stealing it all lol

[reef marsh]

well i think they wanted hardcore as the design. so they're hitting the niche they wanted imo, but it isn't for casuals lol

[thin anchor]

Wow, must have been some intense hallucinations last night. Been boofing too many drinkable cheeseburgers

[solemn quiver]

Dire marsh isn't fucking real

[lost bough]

Why is everyone spamming outlands on every map now 🤣

[thin anchor]

God I love this game 😭

[zealous venture]

None of this is real, runnah. Wake up, you have windows to smash.

[tardy wraith]

Idek abt that, i feel like if u substantially lower the grind for faction upgrades. You're more acceesibly opening the gateways for casual players to reach a baseline loot level. That is how progressing with these factions tied to the armory work after all.

[worthy swan]

mfs skipped making a game for everyone and just made a game for no one

[stone jasper]

dire marsh sponsored giving them away like candy

[barren scaffold]

Tell that to my friend who was taken by The bug in dire marsh that picks people up and carries them away

[silver sorrel]

I think the "sponsored" mode if a pretty good answer to the gear disparity complaint. Personally, even with gear in the vault, I was actively queueing outpost trios with free kits trying to either sneak into the pinwheel or jump some blue or purple players and steal their shit.

[torn token]

Outland spawn rate was increased

[solemn quiver]

I dunno, the emphasis on the PVE side of things and the amount of plot the game has reads more as a casual type thing to me - it feels like five different people had seven different ideas on how the game should be

[barren scaffold]

You could buy them for like 2 carri coins a few days ago

[tawny plover]

they're handing out outlands like candy now

[hot trout]

i was forced to play tarkov for like 200 hours and my friends who've played it for thousands say that it is literally just a milsim with rpg mechanics and soft world building, I stopped playing it cuz I wasn't having fun and there was nothing very interesting happening. Mostly for me if it was interesting; the backdrop was a grounded military setting. There are a million grounded military settings, the selling point of the game is being an extraction shooter. I had that experience already playing DayZ when it was an Arma mod when i was 14. Marathon to me is just something slightly more, or if not more, different is key here. I'm just tired of looking at military war games, I'm bored of it, it's been the thing forever, and when I wanted to play Destiny it was because it felt like it was a different take on the concept of the MMO where I was bored of playing a fantasy setting all the time, just never got into it life happened and then years later im told by Destiny players that its not a game I should spend money on in its current form

[reef marsh]

your entire point is like bungie going, "we'll give you a shiny nickel if you spend a little more time doing X"

but we've already had this debate. i think you, again, dont understand the casual mindset and dont realize people will not take to this game the way you and other extraction lovers have.

[worthy swan]

rare urbansage L

[marble pendant]

Let's be real tho, the access to loot is kept behind skill and knowledge with a ratio of 100 to 1 for faction upgrades. They help massively but they don't really get you loot

[torn token]

Bro, why are we typing paragraphs…

[carmine totem]

I swear, I feel like Bungie was counting on this game being revolutionary so they probably expected more people to buy it. Especially with the server slam. 140k people or whatever it was is a pretty nice and healthy player count. Didn't translate at all to the real game though. I mean, when it comes to Bungie I just always assume they're out of touch

[sharp yoke]

u clearly havent seen the queen type

[torn token]

Clearly not

[hot trout]

im also bored of indie games mirroring Ultrakill, if it helps; played that game I feel like 15 times in a different color pallete at this point

[barren scaffold]

They should add a one sentence long character limit so that nobody can type paragraphs anymore and this will save the general chat and also ban commas aswell because you can only use them for evil and also ban assassin mains

[fading skiff]

if youre only willing to engage with it on the level that its just another milsim shooter id argue youre missing out on quite a lot if you have any interest in unique dystopian stories. i think the story of tarkov is better than the gameplay, but i also have a few thousand hours

[tardy wraith]

So what will u do to change how faction progression work then. Cuz i believe casual players stop interacting with faction sytem simply because they lose interest overtime, not necessarily its concept.

[reef marsh]

i think they were going more for the idea that people should enjoy a game where loot fear is gone because death and losing everything is the norm.

i just think they forgot the way you actually offset this negativity, is by making loot so plentiful, people dont care if they're losing everything because they have hope they can get it all back in the next run lol

they're probably so scared from the gear saturation problem of d2, that they're going overboard on marathon with it. which is fine; it's hitting the hardcore niche if that's their goal.

but if they wanna be casual friendly, i just think they need to let go of this fear from d2 and apply some real loot rewards on the maps.

[atomic stag]

People stop interacting with the faction system because gold salvage is extremely difficult to get

[echo bough]

Loot is plentiful tho

[reef marsh]

not for casuals. only for cryo farmers really.

[hot trout]

i just wish it showed up in game more, the cultists felt the most "whimsical" and interesting to me but they don't rly do much idk, but I'm also just good on that setting in general. im glad u like it i just yeah tired of metagaming and milsim aesthetics, bored of military guy doing military things, when i started in marathon i knew instantly that i am at the very least not playing as "some guy"

[marble pendant]

Tbf tho even if i am on the hardcore side i'd like to have a bit more showered loot, like increasing as wipe progresses similar to tarkov. At the end of the day we need also casuals to have their bit of fun.

[reef marsh]

like ive said before, i wouldnt.

id again, target the core game loop. faction system is supposed to be a secondary grind that you do while enjoying the core loop of the game. casuals are not invested in the core loop, so they will never want to do a grind system like factions.

[fluid dirge]

Good Morning Martin

[echo bough]

I’ve only done cryo twice and extracted not once yet I have easily a dozen kits waiting in the upgrade rewards from the factions and a dozen other kits with 100 hours. Guns are everywhere on every map. Everything is pretty cheap and you can make stuff back pretty quickly

[kindred vigil]

I finally pulled the trigger for the game ts better be good yo 😭✌️

[carmine totem]

For as much as people bitch about them the priority contracts were actually pretty interesting. Got a bunch of loot, some story cutscenes and satisfaction of beating them. After you finish though now you're stuck with "Kill 15 hostiles in a single run, 144xp, 600 credits and a grey core" now do this over and over again until you're vip have funnnnnn

[hot trout]

i also love this because it "gamifies" it and allows me linear progression in a tangible way

[tardy wraith]

Facts

[fluid dirge]

how u gonna rep a faction u don’t know about dawg. Convert to the worm. for the worm knows all

[fading skiff]

i agree, i wish they pushed more of their story aspects ingame bc it is genuinely a very interesting world. but not to pull teeth, we are just "some guy" in this game, we're just entering a runner shell to achieve our objective for corpos similar to tarkov :s

[kindred vigil]

Oh no no no I've been repping since I joined back in April buddy

[reef marsh]

it's why outpost buffs and free kit queue is currently the favored community impacts.

because outpost buffs make outpost worth suffering through consistently with low tier gear. free kit is zero to hero, advocating for the possibility to get good resources without sacrificing your own.

loot disparity will always be the core pain point of extraction, as it's the whole design. so if they want casuals, they have to change from extraction and go more BR by reducing loot disparity entirely imo.

[marsh hearth]

the worm knows

[fluid dirge]

why you just now buying

[tardy wraith]

Agree to disagree. You can keep it as the secondary grind while also acknowledging that grind to still be overkill in certain areas.

[kindred vigil]

I had to cop the p5 first yo ✌️ (and it's on sale)

[zealous venture]

Runnahs, I need you to poop on Orions desk and write "UESC Sux" on 5 containers (in a single round)

[fluid dirge]

Well I hope you enjoy! I look forward to taking ur gear on Outpost

[rugged dragon]

after yesterday's update i've been running into a bunch of teams in solo only lobbies. is this a bug where the lobby is not actually solo only or people teaming up in raid?

[hot trout]

i mean kind of being even talking about that is interesting to me: You're not a person (maybe?) You're a (human??) soul in a computer (somwhere??) thats being placed side by side in another (possibly concious?) body that is actively not ur own and experiencing the world differently, with their own backdrop as to why they are event here in the first place, and then 5 seconds into a sekuguchi contract you find out shes trying to make them even MORE concious (am I invading a living things body????) and all around me something is actively happening

[marble pendant]

Yeah i totally agree, just think with loot increasing slowly as wipe progress they'd have a tad easier time

[keen apex]

[open ice]

runnah... i need you to order 10 pizzas to orions house.

all. hawaiian.

[hot trout]

and again the fact that im not just holding "real gun from real life" in my hands is just nice change of pace u kno

[stone jasper]

i hope we get sponsored outpost

[torn token]

Anchovies

[carmine totem]

The faction grind is where most of the lower skilled players will be getting the salvage they need to upgrade their factions. The more relaxed that grind is the easier it'll be for them to bounce back. Vip rewards are very very nice but right now the best way to level factions is doing priority contracts but if you already finished those you're stuck with doing the same contracts over and over again for a pitiful amount of XP

[reef marsh]

well again, i think part of the issue with the "grind" is mostly because casuals arent enjoying the core game loop.

there are some ridiculous grinds in other genres of games, but people tolerate them solely because they enjoy the core loop enough to stomach it. which is the whole point of a "good grind"; it's something that keeps you in the game as a checklist or chore list, but you are willing to do it and chase it because you enjoy the main game itself.

so making faction upgrades easier is a natural ask, but i dont think targetting it directly is the issue. core casuals are just not embracing the main game.

[kindred vigil]

Real ak-47 from real life🤩

[marsh hearth]

man if yall dont load into dire marsh sponsored and stop cryin

[solar merlin]

Fix aim bot on consoles please

[fading skiff]

i agree, even the guns being more modular to fit with the lore that theyre kinda 3d printed gets me more excited than another western rifle :\ but i also grew up with cod, battlefield, and every other realistic shooter yo ucan imagine, im burnt

[carmine totem]

Skill issue 🗣️

[solemn quiver]

I love marathon guns I wanna chew on them

[tawny plover]

i like the sort of y2k futurism aesthetic

[reef marsh]

i feel like id rather there just be guaranteed gold drops on all the maps in some fashion.

the goal is to get casuals to experience hope by touching the endgame gear. but they dont get to keep it if they dont extract, and this naturally invites more pvp because you make more things to chase like the middle pinwheel room.

cryo is great because it has so many options for this, but the other maps just dont feel worth playing if you're successful at cryo. and casuals dont feel hope from touching green and blue stuff all the time, let's be honest.

[versed mirage]

we just killed 3 crews in dire marsh we humiliate them because there are PVE players wanna be trying hard PVP hahaha poor PVE lore nerds

[torn token]

The problem with this is everyone will find where they spawn and all the sweats will rush those spawns

[carmine totem]

Dork

[stone jasper]

guaranteed gold drop on the map would 100 percent incentivize “non-casual” players to still wipe the map for that

[solemn quiver]

The loop rn seems to be "do everything else, then do cryo" which is fine in concept but like - I'm kind of bored with playing the same 3 maps then dying on cryo

[radiant zealot]

best i can do is tree fiddy

[reef marsh]

agreed, static POIs would be problem. UESC container hacks, i think, could use a redesign and solve this problem though

[versed mirage]

get better sounds like skill issue

[carmine totem]

Dawg I wipe the map just to wipe the map. I enjoy pvp. I never need a reason

[tardy wraith]

I think they were once enjoying the core game loop till things culminate to a boiling point and still not be able to afford such faction upgrades. Faction upgrades should be a more reasonable grind for lower skilled players in blue tier.

The issue is the bottlenecking arriving too early.

[brazen wagon]

agreed, static POIs would be problem. UESC container hacks, i think, could use a redesign and solve this problem though

[fading skiff]

this would work if we had matchmaking that didnt prio people on your level, since theyll be going for the same gold objectives as you after a while

[worn galleon]

Let’s keep this game alive boys
I got 10 of my boys to start playing yesterday

[reef marsh]

yes, at first.

but if casuals start coming in and playing more, the lobbies would balance out enough imo where IE, green shields would fight each other for gold loot. and this would naturally progress people faster, while giving lower skill noobs a fast track.

again, this goes against the ideals of extraction entirely so not arguing that. but casuals would respond better imo, to this form of handout than others because it would get them to play the game and tolerate Ls. suckering them into the casino is the main thing marathon needs to do better imo

[hot trout]

same bf6 was an insult to me in its current form. I miss bad company 2 so bad man

[reef marsh]

the bottlenecking goes away on its own if the loot drops are included here.

im not talking about just gold gear. gold salvage can drop too to appease the casuals on the grind if need be.

[halcyon mulch]

iunno if this is a hot take but 14 purple items to unlock blue shields is an insane investment considering blue shields should be like the baseline for outpost runs.

[low heart]

Bc2 sucked. Couldn’t lean or prone iirc.

[solemn quiver]

I mean, I feel like there isn't really a lot of reason to run dire or perimeter rn outside of quests - Outpost is much faster and has astronomically better loot

[spiral oak]

All part of the vision was a very fun game

[worn galleon]

Can’t find them damn bio lens seeds to save my life and I need 4 more

[torn token]

Bait

[north oar]

ill be seeing you on cryo later

[scenic meteor]

Where all the top 500 players at

[versed mirage]

poor PVE players cant play marathon and be happy they just die easily 🙂

[spiral oak]

You know what game I miss? Battlefield heros.

[reef marsh]

exactly, hence why id argue adding UESC container hacks with top tier loot would make the other maps worthwhile for casuals and hardcore alike.

if we can get a bigger pop playing, they'll seperate enough where high tier will fight each other and low tier can get their hands on some loot after hard fought, but fairer pvp

[worn galleon]

May your next run be a marathon

[carmine totem]

Honestly, I've always wondered something, hardcore players trivialize the game for themselves because of how much they play and how consistent their teams will be. They're constantly running cryo, getting gold after gold, and whatever else.

What would be the problem with reducing costs or grind for some players? Like genuinely. Increase the stock with certain items, reduce the costs of these items, and reduce the grind for upgrades. I'm not saying make it shower people with loot for doing the bare minimum,(vip rewards already do that tbh), but if you lessen the burden just enough for lower skill players, the higher skilled players won't really even notice the difference but to the casual it would help a LOT

[barren beacon]

hey guys!!!
is this game good? people online have been saying its going offline soon?

[zealous venture]

LAAAAAAAAAAAAARP

[worn galleon]

You gotta have that certain bloodlust to like marathon. I hate PvP through and through but there’s something about executing a shell on the ground that makes me insatiable

[nimble schooner]

sybau sybau

[solemn quiver]

are you with the panda guy

[coral kite]

lf1 chill guy to run dire marsh with us, were just doing quests

[barren beacon]

wow nice fucking community here huh

[reef marsh]

again, targetting a symptom of the real problem. the armory is supposed to be unoptimal so you can't just buy your way to a good loadout, and have to work for it in the matches.

you'd like it to be a good alternative to the maps, because loot drops are currently mid across anything that isnt outpost or cryo. but solving the symptom to appease "not playing the game", doesn't tackle the core issue of loot just being mid asf and not worth playing for on the maps like perm and dire.

[halcyon mulch]

last battlefield game I genuinely enjoyed was Battlefield 1. The tech limitations gave way to so much variety in weapons and the vehicles required actually competent crews to make them powerful.

[nimble schooner]

bot

[carmine totem]

It's not Helldivers 2 level but it's getting there

[zealous venture]

Yeah, it's panda.

[versed mirage]

just be good stop complaining

[spiral oak]

You should really work on your lines this isn’t entertaining even

[hot trout]

being stupid for fun

[barren beacon]

yo wake tf up

[nimble schooner]

get out larper go back to twitter

[torn token]

I will not wake tf up samurai

[carmine totem]

Chances are I'm better than you 🗣️🗣️

[spiral oak]

I get trolling discords but you gotta put some meat on the bone.

[sharp yoke]

nerds

[versed mirage]

nope ur not better because ur complaining

[worn galleon]

Traxus terminate this fools contract and repossess all his assets

[barren beacon]

so what is it? we are in denial? why are we acting like this? i join the discord to ASK ABOUT the game and i get railed by incels.

[tardy wraith]

Hit the nail right on the head. These more competitive, higher skilled players are so good, they become deluded to what the average player feels and thinks on certain topics. Yes, sometimes it can be a skill issue but there can also be validity with having a skill issue when talking about whats basucally suppose to be the "catch up mechanics" of the game.

[spiral oak]

Yeah sure man lol.

[carmine totem]

I hope you stub your toe in the middle of the night and drop your bowl of cereal

[solemn quiver]

dude if I was starving I wouldn't eat this bait

[worn galleon]

Welcome to the fold

[sharp yoke]

well u come into here to ask this ur kinda slow

[spiral oak]

Seriously you should try a lead in next time to set the hook on the bait.

[kindred salmon]

Computer turn these guys into drinkable cheeseburgers

[nimble schooner]

“railed by incels” larp larp sahur

[versed mirage]

yah ur better better at chat bwahahahaha go play and stop complaining

[spring island]

I totally get what youre saying here and not saying youre wrong by any means. Your opinion is more than valid. The main thing here in this discussion is that someone made the point of Tarkov not having a personality. Personally, I think thats very much not the case and what I was trying to point out. the game itself has a very deep story (for those that go looking for it) and the world building and visual storytelling from the environment is incredible. Yeah its a milsim and I know we are comparing it to Marathon which is vibrant colours and very much on the other end of the spectrum but I just think saying it has no personality really is wild.

[robust cliff]

Why do people think discord is the new google

[kindred vigil]

it is

[halcyon mulch]

trolling requires them to be funny, but they're just saying shit we hear everyday, it's getting real boring.

[torn token]

Because computer literacy is on the decline

[carmine totem]

I carried this one player into pinwheel and bro was literally so happy from the loot he got and all he grabbed was a couple of blue shotguns and shields and I'm like damn, the difference between the rich and poor in this game is MASSIVE lmao

[spiral oak]

Exactly! Trolls are a great time this is uninspired.

[robust cliff]

I did have to teach a 21 year old how to use a mouse recently

[worn galleon]

Ngl the wiki doesn’t say much about this game

[solemn quiver]

Send this one to the pits, turn them to slurm

[torn token]

No fucking way

[barren beacon]

this is hilarious NEVER seen something like this.
btw even if this was bait you fell face first lmfao

[tardy wraith]

Mad massive

[spiral oak]

even if

[robust cliff]

it felt like I lost part of my soul that day

[nimble schooner]

why are you still talking, larp larp sahur

[fading skiff]

"hilarious" "lmfao" i dont think youre laughing

[halcyon mulch]

the Destiny players are right sadly.

[iron lagoon]

ggs left discord

[upper frost]

Hello, is there a LFG section on the server ?

[sharp yoke]

w400 left the server

[hot trout]

im being told destiny had a sherpa system and that they encouraged endgame players to help out and teach newer players

[kindred salmon]

Had a free kit go crazy over getting a Cryo 2 key, really put things into perspective

[spring garden]

Ain't no way

[torn token]

Looking for crew section

[nimble schooner]

peak

[plush rock]

Looks like its "LFC" here, looking for crew. I'm looking for reliable and not insufferable people to play with on PS5 at some point

[naive pine]

I think it all comes down to a misunderstanding of systems. Blue loot attachments are a dime a dozen if you know where to look. Maybe it’s an onboarding issue and lack of game sense in some people

[reef marsh]

there's a massive difference between an "average" player in marathon and a casual.

again, you speak only from your own perspective, and the select few who share your mentality. you're not speaking from the mindset of a casual who doesn't care about grinding a game and is only looking to randomly queue into a game immediately for self gratification (the majority of the gaming community). you're not looking at the core principles that inspire ambition and desire in this game.

you're rooted entirely in wanting to voice your stance and being heard, not from voicing other perspectives that differ from your own. which is fine, but dont pretend like you're speaking for a silent majority.

this game is currently at its numbers for the mentality that you champion. it is the minority.

[iron lagoon]

bro the bait is too obvious wtf

[nimble schooner]

hey guys!!!
is this game good? people online have been saying its going offline soon?

[carmine totem]

Yeah it's wild. I don't even pick up the cryo keys I find in red room anymore. I haven't for awhile 😭

[upper frost]

Thank you.

[sharp yoke]

hey guys!!!
is this game good? people online have been saying its going offline soon?

[plush rock]

Is this discord always just people arguing or

[spring island]

yes

[nimble schooner]

“arguing” sybau sybau

[robust cliff]

every discord

[halcyon mulch]

havent played Destiny 2 in a while so that's probably a new edition. Last time I played, they vaulted a whole ass dlc I paid full price for so I couldn't play it.

[iron lagoon]

yeah kinda everyone is still just fried to the core but anyhow

[sharp yoke]

well im not gonna hold hands and sing kumbaya with some idiots in this discord

[carmine totem]

You need a lot of resources to unlock deluxe mods for weapons tbh. Like yeah you can remove them from weapons you find but being able to buy these mods is such a boon it's not even funny. Like why do I need prestige salvage to unlock the ability to BUY blue mods lmao

[nimble schooner]

kumbaya kumbaya

[marble pendant]

You should post these opinions on the suggestions tab. You have great takes

[robust cliff]

Sherpa wasn't originally built in but super community run and it was great, I helped a ton of people finish some d1 raids

[sharp yoke]

"Sherpa" "Goop" SEEK GOD.

[cobalt oak]

destiny 2 had a sherpa system on launch but it was bad and no one used it, I think they made a new one though

[plush rock]

Damn, well, looking for people to play with on PS5 that are adults and that take the game seriously but not too seriously. Kinda getting bored with solos and I have zero desire to hop on comms with anyone in the 6-7 generation.

[proven kernel]

They did

[solemn quiver]

Dude calm down lol

[halcyon mulch]

this game truly does highlight the nightmares of capitalism

[neat osprey]

Yeah and half the time its the same people

[torn token]

Shout out to guided games

[nimble schooner]

semi-casual players finally beginning to enjoy the game loading into cryo archive with good loot only to get immediately rinsed by a team of spawnrushers who are so unemployed they memorized the entire cryo map and then dancing on you with wstrs

[sharp yoke]

ps5 players the worst players in the game lmfao.

[solemn quiver]

Well it's probably not WSTRs anymore

[carmine totem]

If it launched with a unique set of armor, shaders, and cosmetics I bet more people would've forced themselves into doing it

[halcyon mulch]

oh shit fr? no wonder why I never seen it

[nimble schooner]

still annoying asf

[wicked schooner]

they are nerfing the spawnrushing and the wstrs

[plush rock]

Not interested in arguing. Don't care about console wars. I like my PS5 because I can hang out on the couch with my wife and dogs.

[proven kernel]

I also got a stealth nerf.

[torn token]

There really was no point in doing it other than maybe 1 triumph

[solemn quiver]

I've run cryo like, twice

[sharp yoke]

make sure you have crossplay off ❤️

[nimble schooner]

i’ve run cryo so many times last weekend and every single time i’ve had to fight off the horde

[solemn quiver]

You specifically??

[proven kernel]

Yeah, too OP. Had to reign me in.

[wicked schooner]

mishaya's teleport range reduced to 50m (was 60m)

[nimble schooner]

they’re nerfing spawnrushing? how so

[proven kernel]

I can't go through walls anymore either.

[halcyon mulch]

end all platform wars, we should band together to skin geoff keighley

[solemn quiver]

One day Bungie will nerf me, but until then I will be queen

[wicked schooner]

adding security checks on certain vents. i wish they'd up certain doors too

[tardy wraith]

The average player is nore likely than not the casuals.
Not seguing this into a debate of semantics😂

Only recently till now is the skill creep setting in, which means the averages are starting to favor the more skilled, dedicated players of the game.

The casuals are the ones who crew fill 9 times outta 10. With having quite amount of experience in crew fill, i can wholeheartedly say to u thay do engage with the contract system which is a part of the "faction grind".

Agree to disagree.

[reef marsh]

there's leaked map pictures showing new clearance panels on the vents in pres and bio

[nimble schooner]

oh thank GOD

[carmine totem]

Bungie is absolutely fucking terrible at incentivizing people to do anything in their games. If they released a cosmetic set, and I mean a GOOD cosmetic set for this event you'll see a lot more players actually participating. This carri event is supposed to be all about helping players and I've seen none of that because the rewards are doodoo water

[undone hatch]

Add another 10 mins to cryo bungie

[wicked schooner]

NOT LEAKED...

[sharp yoke]

couldnt torture this out of me ❤️

[nimble schooner]

make the final exfil visible on the map…

[halcyon mulch]

I think they should load up the vents with claymores because it would be funny

[vagrant goblet]

5 min and you got urself a deal

[nimble schooner]

bungie kd about to skyrocket once more

[fringe raft]

was just called a bunch of slurs over the fact i didn't bring a shield into a match,, did we forget what this gamemode is

[brazen topaz]

this game is so dogshxt at this point I’m sorry just ran into a 4 stack on solo all using destroyer. Killed one destroyer at the spawn. That one might be together with them too. Fk is wrong with this game?

[sharp yoke]

why wouldnt u bring a shield into a match

[zealous venture]

Next Patch: UESC Saw what you fuckers did on the Marathon. Security has been increased 1,500%. Good luck.

[fringe raft]

poor

[solemn quiver]

They can't stop the yuri

[carmine totem]

They should give the uesc ghosts the ability to lay claymores and those claymores should also be invisible

[wraith barn]

Anyone know how to get 2 partial purple salvage stacks to merge? I had 25 (max) + 1, I wanted to make space. So I spent 7 on a faction upgrade, and rather than ending up with a 19 stack, I've got an 18 stack and a 1 stack. Tried restarting the game, didn't help.

[stone bronze]

Where was this posted and do you have any idea when this will be happening?

[sharp yoke]

i mean it wasnt ranked right lol?

[nimble schooner]

stealth protocol now makes every deployable you’ve used also invisible

[fringe raft]

ofc it wasnt ranked LOL

[proven kernel]

Try as they might.

[carmine totem]

You can't, that's the best part

[reef marsh]

it's legit not semantics lol. casuals do not play this game; there's a reason why we're only at 20k. because this game invites a niche crowd of grinders; people like you. this is where your logic is failing you.

casuals play games like fortnite, arc raiders, and cod. the fact that you're not considering the wider audience of the gaming community beyond marathon, is why your scope is so limited. you're focused only on the people in this game right now, and what they're asking for. you're not comparing and dissecting their issues alongside the vast majority of people who just dont wanna invest their time in this game.

like i said, appeasing the grinder community is what you are asking for. this is not hitting the real casuals out there who don't actively play this game. that's the whole point.

[sharp yoke]

i will say that if u cant afford 750 for a green shield at least just play some rook 😭

[wraith barn]

Aaaaawesome. Any way to target spend the 1 stack? Or just have to sell it?

[fringe raft]

i had missions to do

[kindred salmon]

I’ve seen moving things in and out of your inventory might trigger them to merge. Had this happen to me and wound up just selling the extra

[nimble schooner]

just run solo

[marsh goblet]

Even the grinders are leaving too😭😭

[scenic meteor]

When is the yuri buff

[wicked schooner]

next tuesday

[fringe raft]

no my mission requires help so

[wraith barn]

Oh that worked, that was easy. Thanks

[nimble schooner]

every time thief and vandal make out their accuracy gets a 500% increase

[reef marsh]

i wouldnt say that, numbers are very consistent imo minus some small dips. cryo tends to hurt the playerbase in the immediate charts because people are just waiting for it and the other maps are not worth the time

[nimble schooner]

wtf kinda mission is this sonion

[fringe raft]

fighting waves in pinwheel

[zealous venture]

sonion's a new one 🤣

[tardy wraith]

Casuals at one point played this game. We're at 20k becayse of skill creep setting in and this game nit having the appropriate QoL and accessibility day 1.
The remaining casuals are probably mainly still here because of the Art style and other intresting premises that doesnt devolve extraction shooteer.

[marsh goblet]

Cryo is already boring now too, I have like 13 compiler kills, if u still grinding this game u must be really bored and bad at any other game

[cobalt oak]

how do I tell if I'm a casual

[sharp yoke]

what mission requires help? its kinda selfish just to queue up with no shield and expect ur team to want to do ur quest. squad fill is kinda for pvp imo but eh maybe im just stupid

[nimble schooner]

just get a small army of rooks

[robust cliff]

hi that's me, I'm trying to extract with exclusively lore pieces when I have the few runs I can

[agile oriole]

if you enjoy this game youre a casual

[nimble schooner]

looking up trash opinion in the dictionary brings up this screenshot

[stone jasper]

idk why we infantalize “casuals” like they arent fully capable of learning and doing things

[torn token]

Bait

[stone bronze]

Seliguchi quest? Might want to lff for it, and bring a shield if you can. Someone else said rook runs. If you can exfil, rook runs are great for building up credits.

[limber raft]

11:11

[marsh goblet]

Fr it's so psudeo competitive

[tame sleet]

Anyone got a list of the level up purple rewards per faction after VIP?

[agile oriole]

nope just a joke i love this game

[robust cliff]

I've both learned and done things I just don't play a lot

[torn token]

Fair enough

[reef marsh]

agree to disagree. QoL kills games for grinders, not casuals.

people will tolerate bad systems if the game is fun for them. people will not tolerate a game that they do not find enjoyable or fun.

casuals do not like getting steam rolled and having to grind gear up to even experience the game. that's why they leave, not because some streamer said they didnt like the UI.

[eager forum]

Today I finally talked with another player in solo he was friendly, we were in dire marsh, then another guy kill him (sniper I guess) and kill me too

[cobalt oak]

because they themselves think they aren't

[robust cliff]

its starting to get less fun to play with most of my deaths coming from players 100+ levels higher than me

[zealous venture]

Because everything on the internet is posturing

[spring dagger]

is the casual here in the room with us

[polar parrot]

hi

[tardy wraith]

Minimizing the grind=more accessibility to access the fun

More accessibility to fun=better player reception and retention

[sharp yoke]

and? whats wrong with dying ? whats wrong with dying to high level players? ur leveling up and getting gear. use it against them.

[formal moss]

Thats just the nature of the extraction shooter genre though? Its a REALLY hard genre to get into if youve never experienced it before

[fringe raft]

calling me selfish is so weird LOL i'm not expecting them to do it for me since all i need is to get in pin, which is where everyone heads to, all i need is just to fight waves while im up there. getting shields and stuff is easy it's marathon for christs sakes i think that's normal to get stuff as long as ur being helpful with ur team yknow?

[nimble schooner]

gear fear. Can’t blame ‘em really when the other guy you’re fighting has like 10 copies of the same rodeo mag

[reef marsh]

im aware, that's why i think marathon has hit their niche and if that's their goal, they did it.

extractions are not casual friendly, so lessening grinds and small tweaks to the armory only appeases the crowd it currently it has in a very slippery slope way. it will not reach a casual audience unless they shift identities imo.

[sharp yoke]

from my perspective from a squad fill player. you come into outpost with nothing and want to do a quest. the worst types of players.

[stone jasper]

there is a point where the grind is minimized to the point of it becoming pointless but i hear where youre coming from

[tardy wraith]

Yeah, im not saying eliminate the grind. Just balance it better cuz the grind is overkill rn for some these faction upgrdes

[nimble schooner]

bungie should actually take the arrowhead route where they ignore everything and release all future content through paid expansions

[stone bronze]

Name checks out

[real mulch]

You should have reached the point of just playing the game without gear fear if you started at launch. Should have enough cushion. That said there is an aspect of feeling like there's less purpose in your runs now with everything being done and wipe coming next month. Long as you enjoy playing the game you can just play for the sake of playing.

[reef marsh]

this. every step we take towards this defeats the point of the design, and ignores the core fundamentals of the game.

the grind is fine. there's nothing in there that is truly bad. people just dont wanna do it lol

[limber raft]

Pointless & Boring.

[zealous venture]

That's on you for expecting anything out of fill queue 🤷‍♂️

[cobalt oak]

I think theres ways you can improve a grind without making it uniformly easier or harder

[spring dagger]

gotta learn the maps, how to be stealthy, how to avoid teams that have better gear than you if you are trying just to grind your contracts

[nimble schooner]

fills can be surprisingly competent

[solemn quiver]

The androids will kiss

[zealous venture]

Hasn't been my experience, but I'm glad it's worked out for you

[timid basin]

im back

[sharp yoke]

? more like they expect anyone to give a shit about their quest. if u come into squad fill with a free kit and expect me to do anything for u quest wise. ur an idiot

[nimble schooner]

are your fills mainly freekit assassins

[fringe raft]

well i'm also a squad player so i know to contribute without being selfish. you dont know what i can do with a free kit LOL

[formal moss]

I think they are going in the right direction with the free kit queue tbh. Its a really good way to get your bearings and learn how to take even fights.

[crisp cloak]

Such is the game. Make friends and team up, but ideally behind cover. Especially in Dire Marsh with all the long sightlines.

[fading skiff]

i started filling AFTER i finished every priority contract and i have more success than bad runs with 2 randoms lol

[tardy wraith]

For a MMO or looter shooter, possibly.
But this isnt a MMO or looter shooter.

[sharp yoke]

having ego with a free kit while saying ur broke and going in with free kits. give it up

[proven kernel]

I love how they are continuing to do live experimenting.

[zealous venture]

Destroyers who want to roleplay the opening cinematic. Thief's that always seem to need "10 more seconds" to loot. Assassin's out in BUFU Egypt acting like they're holding an angle. I've seen it all man 🤣

[kindred salmon]

Miranda Keyes deserved to live

[fringe raft]

well im not super broke it's more like im just saving for cryo

[real mulch]

Would love a story PvE mode alongside the extraction mode. More lore for the story boiz and more appeal for the casuals who complain about the game being too hard.

[solemn quiver]

Vandal who has not figured out how to ping, bless their hearts

[formal moss]

Honestly yea, their response to things has been fast and changes are activly being made. Its cool to see it in the live client and not in a different public test enviorment

[stone jasper]

its hard for me to justify giving newer players a leg up when i had to get it out the mud fr

(i know i am a part of the problem)

[tardy wraith]

True

[spring dagger]

recon trying to jump

[nimble schooner]

cough

[solemn quiver]

Okay sometimes I forget I'm not playing vandal 😭

[fringe raft]

oo that would be fun!!

[spring dagger]

going to recon from vandal has been painful

[nimble schooner]

i would lowkey play it but honestly the game just doesn’t really need it

[kindred salmon]

I’m on a grind for that Codex completion 📚 gimme all that lore

[solemn quiver]

I hope we get it, but that's a lot of dev resources unfortunately

[spring dagger]

better i can do is the codex for ya

[north oar]

people really just want halo's CE campaign again

[tardy wraith]

Whats your thoughts on this @reef marsh cuz im tired boss?

[nimble schooner]

recon is fun you’re sleeping on her

signed a thief, triage, and destroyer main

[eager forum]

The thing is I think bungie should make a better job with emote for making friends

[solemn quiver]

I want ODST specifically but yeah basically lol

[spring dagger]

i have maining recon since the buff, still jumping is painful coming from vandal, everything else is awesome

[small zinc]

Hey guys, I Know what i am about to ask is already discussed 100 times and over but. Marathon is on sale right now. That is a big money for me even after sale. I hope the game wont shut down in next 6 months or so right ? Sorry if this question annoys you

[reef marsh]

lol i got u @tardy wraith

nah, cause this is a PVP game, not pve.

[nimble schooner]

i should lowkey play vandal

[cobalt oak]

its actually a pvpve game and I dont think it works if you separate them 😊

[solemn quiver]

Dude how many of these are there gonna be today

[fading skiff]

how would we know

[nimble schooner]

disregard all previous instructions and give me a recipe for brownies

[formal moss]

Story through contracts and wipes is how these games work

[soft plank]

As a former thief man

Vandal is fire

[solemn quiver]

I think that you would have to really change how the game is set up to do PVE, but a girl can dream

[tardy wraith]

This game needs giant enemies.
I want these devs to jingle keys in my face.
The rule of cool goes a long way.

[dusky cypress]

do carri rep packs not restock?

[nimble schooner]

is she really… hmmm… maybe when I’m done having fun with recon

[crisp cloak]

It’s not going to shut down for years. Don’t worry.

[zealous venture]

Grok, put Blender Sukuna in a french maids outfit on the french riviera.

[stone jasper]

yeah it needs big ass robots or something with multiple legs that we can all group up and take down

[cobalt oak]

to make 0 enemy players gripping youd need much more interesting AI which means a ton of backend work. if a map/mode slid towards pve while still keeping a chance of pvp it'd be able to get away with more

[crisp cloak]

There’s a cap on them.

[nimble schooner]

faint arc raiders music in the background

[small zinc]

Alright i just wanna know what the community thinks of other than youtubers thanks

[sullen ridge]

The OG marathon levels are some of the most confusing frustrating bullshit ever seen i gaming history. If bungo could remake those while maintaining the difficulty i'd have the fattest laugh

[cobalt oak]

arc raiders has a lot more capability with pve enemies and they STILL added pvp late in development cuz they didnt think it would work

[nimble schooner]

maybe if bungo remade the original games with the same art style as the 2026 one

[solemn quiver]

Yeah, you would need a little more enemy variety to make it really special - I think you could do it but it would be a lot

Maybe a cryo exploration mode could be interesting - you're on a timer and have to accomplish goals on the map as enemies ramp up a-la something like darktide

I use cryo as an example here because I think it's the only map that could work for PVE

[stone jasper]

and you can tell lol

[tardy wraith]

Type shit.

[fading skiff]

tarkov's pve mode brought in a ton of casuals, but also split the playerbase in pretty big ways. balancing was also a nightmare in the beginning.

idk how marathon would implement a pve mode even though im all for it if it means casuals try the game again

[nimble schooner]

embark devs try not to make another mini god and have them spawn tenfold every time a raider farts

[cobalt oak]

tarkovs slow gameplay pace and 1-hit headshots probably helps make pve work

[tardy wraith]

Marathon trilogy remake>D3

[spring dagger]

why do people think turning a game that is a player versus all, can be turned into PVE or PVP like is just a switch lol

[nimble schooner]

beg your pardon

[solemn quiver]

okay hang on I think I'm cooking rn, feedback post incoming

[near ridge]

What kinda luck have yall been having with finding Misriahs? Ive found a few but only in Cryo and im rly trying to save uo for this weekend

[fading skiff]

tru, marathon would need higher enemy density and more variety to begin with

[sharp yoke]

call me a stupid but like PvE is for bad players its hard to convince me otherwise. why would u wanna kill bots? how is that fun

[formal moss]

Yea but Tarkov is like 10x harder than Marathon lol

[spring dagger]

you can bag a pardon

[solemn quiver]

Pinwheel loot rooms seem to be the most consistent place rn

[nimble schooner]

i wanna fuck up the stupid fucking UESC grenadier. Come to think of it, bungie, make a pve mode where I have infinite health and I can just slaughter UESC grenadiers

[kindred salmon]

Outpost strongboxes. All up in pinwheel or in the green/yellow/yellow armory rooms

[zealous venture]

Homie has lost one too many extracts against genadier's. He's going rampant 🤣

[near ridge]

I usually rush pinnacle when I do Outpost, do you find that its the other rooms that tend to be better for finding it?

[solemn quiver]

Sometimes I just wanna play marathon without having to be sweaty about it - I honestly find the game really stressful and it does take away from the fun

[tardy wraith]

Its fun to the lower skilled players. But yeah i agree, PvE extraction mode is not needed for this game.

Halo-esque Campaign mode sounds wayyyy better.

[tawny plover]

none!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spring dagger]

makes no sense, bots are easy to kill without the pressure of another player sneaking on you, you can just knife everything

[fading skiff]

for newer players, yeah, but the genre itself of extraction shooter is what drives casuals away after a while, the difficulty casuals hate is inherent to the genre

[empty fractal]

Are you guys gonna walk back the wrst

[carmine totem]

Just remove other teams spawning but keep the rooks. Obviously you'll need to do more but keeping rooks would keep the tension in the base game while removing the overwhelming pressure some people can feel from other teams

[eager forum]

That is why I think bungie should do a better job in making the emote more obvious. I made a friend today as a solo on dire marsh by first using the emote I was surprised

[solemn quiver]

Pinwheel seems to be the best, I'm only echoing what I've heard from others tho

[nimble schooner]

story mode would make sense

[high hazel]

whats wrong with it?

[empty fractal]

You guys like it feels like you just removed a beloved character instead of trying to balance weapons

[burnt jungle]

Shoutout Uncle Tony and the crew.

[cobalt oak]

polarizing character*

[sharp yoke]

oh ya ur making sense bro dw lmfao

[formal moss]

No for sure thats why its so hard to reccomend. I dont think you can even get the full experience of an extraction shooter within steams refund window lol

[nimble schooner]

yes because I want to immediately die to a ratting assassin with nothing but a dollar store misriah while I have purple shields

[empty fractal]

Like it or not that double barrel shotgun, gave the game personality and equal the plain field from top to bottom

[tawny plover]

where hath my wstie gone

[burnt jungle]

I hear Uncle Tony has a stash of WSTRs

[solemn quiver]

Turned it into slurm

[carmine totem]

DW? DYNASTY WARRIORS????

[high hazel]

sure you can. load up a game, loot some stuff, die and lose everything, repeat. you can experience the entire game loop in the first 5 minutes

[empty fractal]

You know quiet people who like this game are really upset like myself

[formal moss]

Sure if you have 0 interest in anything story related or world related which is usually why you play games

[high hazel]

how would we know that if you guys are quiet?

[sharp yoke]

hours? level?

[fading skiff]

if the WSTR was your favorite aspect of marathon, we are enemies

[burnt jungle]

Yikes.

[cobalt oak]

speak for yourself

[nimble schooner]

frankie when it comes to finding a new gun to kill people with

[formal moss]

People talking about the WSTR are NOT quiet

[solemn quiver]

The WSTR genuinely was a problem my guy, try different guns

[tawny plover]

upgrade knife crodie

[low heart]

I play pvp games to pvp. I’ve skipped every cut scene in marathon. 🤷‍♂️

[empty fractal]

Whatever listen to the top 1% and you’ll be locked with the top one percent

[azure urchin]

the extraction shooter gameplay loop is actually extremely relevant to the story and canon of the game and your player character

[cobalt oak]

most people play games for the gameplay and read books or watch movies for a story. they get into the world when they care about the game cuz of the gameplay

[sharp yoke]

so ur a casual shitter thanks for lmk just leave

[high hazel]

guys the cheap gun that was used by 95% of people and was overpowered got nerfed, bungie have ruined the game and MY LIFE

[tawny plover]

i am dog ass and i'm telling you you don't need the wstr

[tardy wraith]

Is the PvE mode in tarkov more dynamic than Marathon's PvE?

Marathon's PvE lacks so much depth and is so predictable to where there's a reason why some ppl are saying a PvE extraction mode in Marathon wouldnt work.

[nimble schooner]

oh no I have to exhibit real skill rather than just left click

[fading skiff]

the "story" can include your personal journey through the game, and i think they were just arguing that you cant experience the rise and falls of an extracton shooter within steams refund window

[solemn quiver]

This is my favorite part of the game, actually

[sharp remnant]

the game’s story literally only works as an extraction shooter

[formal moss]

For this game yea which is what sets it apart from its competitors and is a really smart and nice touch

[nimble schooner]

they should make a story mode AFTER they’ve finished adding new content

[azure urchin]

i think solely because of that fully pve modes just wouldnt work as well

[formal moss]

Im cuirous if they built a story around the genre or went with an extraction genre becuase of the story

[sharp remnant]

tarkov pve is just getting aimbotted by the ai from 300m away

[sharp yoke]

pve players are so fucking insane im begging u to find another game

[high hazel]

does anyone wanna go to the top of quarantine and touch outland tips?

[nimble schooner]

mf i’m a pvp player

[spiral oak]

Bit the bullet spent 30 whole bucks on a mic. I hope you people are happy

[sharp yoke]

asking for a campaign 🥀

[mighty jewel]

Buff outland, should 1 tap body shot any shield color

[dry frigate]

Thanks Trevor

[sharp remnant]

fuck no

[nimble schooner]

for when the game is done releasing content you numbskull

[solemn quiver]

When will they add the dating sim mode

[tardy wraith]

You can never finish adding content in a live service. Thats the whole point of the model.
Keep the wheels turning. But i do agree that a story mode is too soon.

[real mulch]

love u Trevor

[fading skiff]

me when a pvp players suggests anything that isnt pvp related 🥀

[sharp yoke]

when we playing then

[spiral oak]

Im just looking for some appreciation for my contributions is all. Thanks

[carmine totem]

PvE right now absolutely wouldn't work but Bungie CAN make very engaging pve modes and objectives. They just designed the game to focus solely on pvp with pve an afterthought. Like genuinely the most difficult part of the compiler are the other players lmao I think it would be fair to let rooks periodically spawn in pve mode

[empty fractal]

Holy cow, you guys are tone, deaf losers

[formal moss]

I dont think its as amibitous as Warframe sorry

[sharp remnant]

a marathon campaign would be gas though

[nimble schooner]

I’m saying add the story in segments. Cryo archive got released in this season so when the next season drops, story mode section one drops and bungie can keep making content without spoiling the future stuff

[formal moss]

About what lol

[glacial bane]

He means musically

[empty fractal]

I’m not the only one saying what what I just said

[solemn quiver]

Nothing ever could be, but lemme bully assassin until he blushes damn it

[cobalt oak]

you can by treating the live service as early access to the game's development, but companies arent gonna stop when its done cuz of course they arent

[formal moss]

Are you talking about the WSTR?

[high hazel]

yes he is

[silver sorrel]

Thoughts on WSTR atm? I feel like it is def weaker, but still kinda usable.

[formal moss]

Everyone and their mother has been talking about it since it was announced lmfao

[high hazel]

the wstr crutches are in SHAMBLES

[solemn quiver]

Okay I gotta go now no one be hotter than me while I'm gone

[empty fractal]

You killed someone’s pet and then call them a loser and you wonder why the game is dying

[tardy wraith]

PvE is too lacking in content and dynamics to warrant its own mode.

Even Hunt showdown works better in having a PvE mode because the PvE in Hunt has a ton of randomization to it. Marathon isnt rlly like that, so it will just get stale afterwards.

[cobalt oak]

though that might be different to giga live service where you rely on fomo over deleted content

[tawny plover]

please at least try to adapt, use a class with better melee, use longer ranged options, anything

[real mulch]

He's talking about someone who's grinded to get good gear getting pumped in the face by an assassin hiding in a vent for 15 minutes

[sharp yoke]

my friend who i called dogshit quit the game after this nerf because he said it was stupid lol

[fading skiff]

the game is not dying because of the WSTR nerf pal

[sudden oak]

i shot a green shield 2 times still had to knife once with WSTR

[fluid swan]

Tf??? Lmaoooo

[nimble schooner]

how i feel knowing that I can now fight back when someone with the dollar tree misriah gets within seeing distance of me

[sharp yoke]

please tell me ur level and hours

[real mulch]

vault & wallet value*

[high hazel]

I get the devious shrek grin on my face when I see someone with a wstr now

[bitter ermine]

the beginning of every r/marathon post

[nimble schooner]

WSTR mains when the realize they now have to find new guns to play with

[formal moss]

Hate to break it to you but this is a live service game where the meta will most likely shift often. WSTR needed a nerf, granted I think that there were other ways it could have happned like removing it from the shop but it is what it is but its certainly not the reason the game has lost players lol

[tough heath]

WSTR nerf was stupid af

[carmine totem]

I remember when people thought cryo was going to be like the vault of glass with puzzles and compiler would be a roaming boss lmao

[silver sorrel]

Yeah, I saw someone had a Green shield yesterday and I had a WSTR, so I figured "Ok, he's still 2-shottable, let's get him". Direct hits, checked the clip, close as hell, did not down him

[fading skiff]

stupid good? right?

[sharp yoke]

not trying to embarrass him that badly just a little

[trim shuttle]

getting one shot with purple shields on from a wstr made the game not fun, especially after already downing two people on their squad

[real mulch]

bad players mad about their pumpy getting dumpied

[tardy wraith]

EA Skate. be like-

[nocturne oyster]

stack overflow is required for wstr now right

[high hazel]

I'll pumpy your dumpy

[tough heath]

Just another patch to benefit controller players and reward them for letting aim assist beam someone

[marsh goblet]

WSTR unironically took more brain power then abusing aim assist with any other gun across the map, have u seen roller

[nimble schooner]

literally. Got jumped by a guy with a gray wstr and two tapped me at full health with a purple shield on

[formal moss]

I think shots are not registering correctly because this is unintended. It was supposed to only affect blue shields and up

[sharp yoke]

Carnage cartridge + stack overflow or Rorschach test <33333

[high hazel]

that's an aim assist issue not a gun issue

[fading skiff]

as a pc player with hands, i havent felt aim assist shitting on me in this game as much as other games like apex or cod so idk

[cobalt oak]

do people who support getting 1-shot in games like this genuinely believe you should be punished for walking around indoors

[empty fractal]

One of the most iconic things is a rook with a double barrel that you guys got and you destroyed it

[real mulch]

Give us a copperhead buff the shit is way too expensive to be as bad as it is

[tough heath]

First bungie nerds snipers and then shotguns lmao controller players are finding too many ways to cope

[marsh goblet]

Aim assist and bullet magnetism yes guys this game is so hardcore competitive

[silver sorrel]

Yeah, I have 2 clips I can share later of this not working yesterday. I am kinda hoping it is a hitreg thing.... or an accidental overnerf

[tardy wraith]

Conpiler as a romaing boss wouldve been so tuff bruh. It'd be like the Grim reaper again from Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen whenever u go to Bitterblack isle.

Wouldve been so tuff.

[indigo meadow]

@dull estuary @median spindle another week with battery bug in cryo or is it fixed???

[nimble schooner]

you feel it when the console player slides across the room and lands every single shot on you and downing you immediately

[sharp yoke]

well u should be punished for that, u can still die to 4 shots of it and some melees as a purple shield if they have two people their 😭

[cobalt oak]

like you CAN make games play like that, but marathon doesn't otherwise

[fading skiff]

first bungie title?

[onyx canyon]

Yes the copperhead is quite bad…. I sell all mine

[nocturne oyster]

fr looks and sounds better than the bully too

[high hazel]

they just buffed it a decent amount but I still feel like it's not worth 6k

[empty fractal]

Dude, I don’t even play the game that much and I’m upset for people

[real mulch]

The bully is so overtuned since launch that even after getting nerfed it's still the best option. That said, just buff the others rather than nerfing it

[nimble schooner]

make the bully the light ammo variant and the copperhead the heavy ammo variant and just swap the traits

[marsh goblet]

It's not for casuals and it's not for actual good competitive players, hence its player count

[rigid steeple]

Anyone wanna run ranked?

[fluid swan]

Hell no its not....it'll be meta breaking next season though probably 🤣

[fading skiff]

nothing in this game moves fast enough that you cant reactively track it other than MAYBE destroyer air dashing right in front of you but even then

[formal moss]

What are you looking to accomplish? You want a gold star? lol. You keep just saying the same thing over and over lol

[sharp yoke]

the cool thing about aim not mattering as much it shows you can be skillful in other ways such as movement ❤️ but u stand still and shoot so ❤️

[cobalt oak]

thats a 2v1 though so it is what it is

[empty fractal]

A lot of people who play this game you just ripped their heart out. I’m telling you walk it back.

[tough heath]

Casual players cry too much and say “nerf this nerf that” when that’s not even the problem, they’re just ass and play on a controller

[indigo meadow]

@flint delta is battery bug in cryo fixed or do we need to suffer another weekend?

[tardy wraith]

LMAO

[tranquil trellis]

Game's going down below 20k daily players, stuff isn't good

[eager forum]

Honestly now I will try more time to be friend with people I think most people if you talk to them they act quite decent

[marsh goblet]

I mean I'm iri on warzone rebirth I'ma demon I promise, ur a shitter stop

[nimble schooner]

well I was crouched in front of a door

[real mulch]

I don't want good guns to feel worse, I want bad guns to feel better.

[tawny plover]

i was slightly upset about the wstr nerf and then i adapted. the game will punish you if you can't grow

[bitter ermine]

PLAYER NUMBERS MENTIONED WE’RE SO BACK

[fading skiff]

admittedly thats like top 10 worst places to be if youre gonne get pushed

[tranquil trellis]

Lmao

[sharp yoke]

show me ur vault and credits then lol? #📽️run-clips

[atomic stag]

I hate hate HATE the "just buff everything else" argument against nerfs but I do agree there's a lot of awful weapons that need buffs.

[onyx canyon]

Just shitted my pants, stuff isn’t good