🗣marathon-general-chat

[kindred vigil]

Treat it like a spin off than a main game p much

[wooden roost]

i meant ds2 but thank you

[lilac lodge]

Lmao ds2 and 3 are peak tho wtf

[wooden roost]

only souls game ive interacted with is er

[lilac lodge]

Just smoke fentanyl b4 it tho

[wooden roost]

should i play sekiro

[scenic meteor]

maybe

[flat burrow]

Ds2 is more hit or miss with people

[lilac lodge]

I loved sekiro

[scenic meteor]

Sekiro is really good but you gotta lock in for that game

[wooden roost]

im too dumb ill stick with souls

[jaunty crystal]

dont look up anything on DS2 and just take everything as it is, the experience is like a fever dream

[lilac lodge]

Killing the old man will take everything you’ve ever had

[wooden roost]

and imma play er 1 mo time

[wooden roost]

i was in vc once with someone who did it in one try cause they have like a few hundred hgours and its lwk impressive

[lilac lodge]

That’s insane

[wooden roost]

imma go in blind to alla dem

[scenic meteor]

i would say play bloodborne but 🥀

[wooden roost]

cant i emulate it

[kindred vigil]

Yeah but it's shoddy just wait

[scenic meteor]

you can but its prob alot of work idk never tried

[jaunty crystal]

nice wish I can do that again

[kindred vigil]

It's not worth it at the moment

[wooden roost]

scoob do u play on controller or kbm

[scenic meteor]

controller i cant play dark souls kbm

[kindred vigil]

Most do

ppl hate it but racing, fighting, soul like are best on controller

[wooden roost]

both my irls that are playing through are on kbm its so weird

[kindred vigil]

fps, RTS, simulators, is better on kbm 🤫

[wooden roost]

dudes roll is like m2 and jump is t

m2 is rightclick

[kindred vigil]

Wtf

[scenic meteor]

the movement is too weird for me on kbm and yea im more used to rolling with just circle and square estus

[jaunty crystal]

dark souls on kbm is degen behavior

[lilac lodge]

I still need to go back and beat sister friede in ds3 my biggest regret

[wooden roost]

theyve never had any other experince

[kindred vigil]

It's some PC master race type shi 4shore

u lwk pretentious if u play racing or fighting kbm icl

[wooden roost]

no they got no prob with console theyve just never known any diff

i palyed er on controller so the switch was odd so i stuck with controller

[kindred vigil]

This is 4 thises who can get a controller I understand if they have no experience

[warm granite]

you guys see the guy who beat dark souls using an electronic sax

[scenic meteor]

lowk ds1 and maybe 2 you have to play controller tho the game wasnt designed with pc in mind so its horrible kbm

[jaunty crystal]

literal performative gaming

[wooden roost]

i use controller dw

[lilac lodge]

What video games are performative male gaming?

[scenic meteor]

tarkov

[lilac lodge]

Valorant for sure

[wooden roost]

celeste if u cishet

[kindred vigil]

I get pc is the best but like drop the pretentiousness for some stuff lwk shi cringe🥀

[wooden roost]

pc aint the best tho...

[jaunty crystal]

its less the game and more the hardware

[kindred vigil]

I say best is really dependant on genre

[wooden roost]

vanilla minecraft and building a lot of stuff and not being a yter

[wooden roost]

consoles are so easy to use man its so good for the masses

[jaunty crystal]

i mean pc nothing crazy

[scenic meteor]

console isnt bad its just pc got more variety and way more freedom but console games are usually better optimized and even tho they only run 720p 60fps

[wooden roost]

consoles just like ease of use cause its just plug in a thing download a thing and play

[scenic meteor]

true

[wooden roost]

pc u either build or buy it and u gotta download drivers and update them and see if ur pc can run a game and download mayn many things

its just a bit too much for a lot of people

[kindred vigil]

of course this is a convo I can yap about but I'm at gym doing STUFF

[wooden roost]

wut r u doing now

[lilac lodge]

UFC games

[scenic meteor]

depends on how deep you wanna go into gaming imo if you just wanna play ur mainstream games then console is gonna be better for you most likely

[kindred vigil]

I just did sit ups, curls, and um biceps

[wooden roost]

thats not performative bro that shit is so fun

[kindred vigil]

I'm doing abs then gonna do more biceps

[worn knoll]

cash banooca time again

[lilac lodge]

I’ve had fun with them occasionally but the people I know who play them irl are. Threat to society

[worn knoll]

wish me luke. hevy machinry now.

[tight ether]

goat luke

[wooden roost]

its so fun with the fellas man

[kindred vigil]

My brother makes me play UFC 5 he's a beast

[jaunty crystal]

maybe deadlock, until it launches

[kindred vigil]

While teaching me about UFC in general during beating my ass 🥀

[wooden roost]

i love grappling cause like no one knows how

[kindred vigil]

that's what he do shit op

[wooden roost]

its so funny

[worn knoll]

missd 33 boxes :(

[worn knoll]

23/42 boxes

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-place-this-is-a-real-low-point-gif-16046993858010277371

[primal hollow]

Is Marathon still coming out? Did it get canceled or something?

[scenic meteor]

march

[primal hollow]

was it ever canceled?

[scenic meteor]

just delayed

[primal hollow]

ah okay

is it going to be just as good as destiny or should it be better?

how long has it been in development

[proven kernel]

they’re in very different shooter genres.

[primal hollow]

oh really

whats the difference

[proven kernel]

Destiny is more of a coop looter shooter with a stand-alone pvp element if you want to engage with it. Marathon is an extraction shooter.

[scenic meteor]

pfp element 🥀

[proven kernel]

autocorrect!

[tropic creek]

What exactly is pfp
Profile picture elements ?

[worn knoll]

Y'ever played tarkov? Like that but bungified. It will not be pleasant if you go into it with a destiny mindset.

it is in no way a destiny successor

[primal hollow]

its not an extraction game is it?

[unborn badger]

it is 💀

[scenic meteor]

it is

[primal hollow]

dangggg so many of them now days

[scenic meteor]

PvPvE extraction game

[primal hollow]

i was hoping it was going to be a MMO shooter :(

is that what destiny is?

[scenic meteor]

some people would consider it that sometimes

[chrome copper]

Is there going to be an open beta before launch?

I upgraded from a 1050ti, 16GB ddr3 1333mhz, i7 4790k to a 5070, 9800x3d, 32gb ddr5 6000mhz she's been purring but I would like to play another bungie game before I die.

[scenic meteor]

That’s how I feel about another shadow of Mordor game but I got a lot of copium waiting for that one 🥀

[worn knoll]

Not really, you just hear that for some reason. I think people are just reminded of battle royales because big map, and so they assume it's a fad like that.

There's actually about 3 that are popular and still playable, maybe 6 total that are still up and running, and many of them are just tarkov clones. This one is doing something new, which is somewhat rare, in having classes and buildcrafting, only seen in one niche fantasy extraction game called DAD.

There's plenty of innovation left in the genre, it's certainly not been fully explored, so I'm not upset to see a new one.

[primal hollow]

might be cool to see the classes and buildcrafting though

[junior rune]

im going to do unspeakable things for 16GB DDR5 in march

[scenic meteor]

At what point does a genre become over saturated cause everyone says hero shooters this battle royales that I feel like there wasn’t that many

[worn knoll]

I think once it's been more or less fully explored and people are still making games in seeking profit. We got fantasy battle royales, shooter battle royales, rpg battle royales, vr battle royales, battle royales of every kind and sort. I imagine there's not an idea for a battle royale you could come up with that hasn't been explored.

[junior rune]

there have been a lot of attempted BRs in the last like 10 years

[scenic meteor]

Is there a PvE only battle royale?

[worn knoll]

I mean. Probably not. Because the genre is 100% about being the last player standing. Without players that's. There's. There's no game.

[junior rune]

cant be classified as a BR by definition

[mystic gazelle]

hi

[proven kernel]

evening!

[mystic gazelle]

hope your evening is going well Mish!!

[proven kernel]

it’s been going well. just been relaxing and trying to decide what IEMs i want to get.

[mystic gazelle]

IEMs?

[proven kernel]

in ear monitors headphones.

[mystic gazelle]

what are thoose

[scenic meteor]

That’s what everyone thought about PvE Tarkov until it was the most played mode for a couple months 🥀

[proven kernel]

kind like a wired earbud that wraps around your ears.

[mystic gazelle]

OH

[worn knoll]

But the goal of extraction shooters isn't to kill players, it's to get rich. You can do that without players. You can't be the last player standing without players.

[scenic meteor]

I’m such a 4head Nightreign is the PvE battle royale

It’s already been done

[mystic gazelle]

twitch emote no wonder u bronze

[worn knoll]

I'm not too familiar, how does it work?

[tropic creek]

TMI

[kindred vigil]

Gym is awesome

[mystic gazelle]

a zone shrinks until you have to fight a final boss

[tropic creek]

Does it taste good ?

[kindred vigil]

mmm weights 🤤

[worn knoll]

a shrinking zone is a side feature of the genre, it also exists in some extraction shooters, it doesn't define the genre. does the last player standing win?

[junior rune]

catalytic converters => DDR5

[mystic gazelle]

yes it's you vs the boss

[scenic meteor]

You pick a hero and then you drop into a world with 3 other players battling map objectives getting rare weapons that you take into a night boss at the end of the circle repeat at the end of the day until you get to the final boss and win the game

[tropic creek]

I could help you
Certified German mechanic here 🫡

[tropic creek]

Gym is my second home nowadays
Nice people there too and the music is legendary

[worn knoll]

...that doesn't really sound like a battle royale. it's not last man standing. the only requirement for a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

If you die at the boss you lose

You aren’t the last man standing 🤔

[worn knoll]

...well yes that happens in elden ring too. if they added a shrinking circle to elden ring would it be a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

That’s what they did

[worn knoll]

so it is not a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

if you fail the boss you need to repeat the run all over again though

[worn knoll]

that's a roguelike

[kindred vigil]

is this about dusk loods or reign

[mystic gazelle]

wait he right it's a roguelike

[scenic meteor]

roguelikes are more singleplayer tho

[mystic gazelle]

it's even labeled like that by devs

[worn knoll]

no they can be co-op

[scenic meteor]

not typically tho

[worn knoll]

you have a weird definition of genres

[tropic creek]

I like turtles

[mystic gazelle]

reing

[worn knoll]

you're like a cargo cult, you just see common features and draw connections without knowing what actually makes it work

[scenic meteor]

every genre can have their weird out of the box variation and still be apart of the genre

[mystic gazelle]

I like cheese

[worn knoll]

the 1 feature of battle royales is that it's last player standing. is it last. player. standing.

[kindred vigil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elden_Ring_Nightreign

Elden Ring Nightreign[a] is a 2025 roguelike action role-playing game developed by FromSoftware

Well wiki says it...

[worn knoll]

that is the one requirement of a battle royale. there's a fucking tetris battle royale because that's the only thing that defines the genre

[scenic meteor]

but in nightreign you need to be the last player standing that is part of the loop

[worn knoll]

so more than one person can't win a match?

[scenic meteor]

the "boss" is the other player

[worn knoll]

1v1 is not a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

says who

[worn knoll]

becuase then every fighting game is a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

no because there is no loot you can get from the map you still need to be dropped into a open world

[worn knoll]

a plane is not anything that flies, it is a flying machine with wings, wheels and traditional methods of propulsion

[scenic meteor]

and get increasing variety of loot

[worn knoll]

you cannot point at a hawk and say "first organic plane"

[mystic gazelle]

tuah

[scenic meteor]

is forever winter not an extraction shooter because it doesnt fit one part of the genre tho

[kindred vigil]

Hawk....!

tuah! 😂👍

[worn knoll]

what part of the genre does it not fit

[scenic meteor]

extraction shooters are supposed to be PvPvE

[worn knoll]

no.

helldivers is an extraction shooter

it's any game where you are dropped into a map, either loot or have an objective to complete, and then must leave via a set exit point or other method of exit that is not automatic upon success

[tropic creek]

And you have pvp in there too !
Your mates are the biggest danger

[scenic meteor]

sure but the most known mechanic of extraction shooters is PvPvE if you ask the average person they arent gonna say helldivers is extraction shooter

[worn knoll]

a battle royale is any game where you are placed with a group of other players and whoever is the last person standing wins

[scenic meteor]

this is literally nightreign tho

no where does it say a battle royale has to be PvP only

[worn knoll]

if you ask the average person they'll say a diamond is a rock, we aren't basing this on how wrong people who don't know what it is can be about it

[worn knoll]

well the "other players" part kinda does say that. but you keep going back and forth, when you play as a group, does only the last player surviving win or not? you're never clear on that

[scenic meteor]

what genre is nightreign then cause it doesnt fit roguelike at all

[worn knoll]

yes it does? you go in, if you succeed you win, if you fail you start over.

that's literally all a roguelike is. if you took the lives out of super mario brothers 1 it'd be a roguelike

a roguelite has mechanics where you make progress even if you lose

a roguelike just means you lose and start over, plain and simple

[tropic creek]

I thought neightreign is just another basic Elden ring DLC
So it's a whole new game ?

[worn knoll]

yes it is a whole other game

[sonic swan]

yes

[kindred vigil]

It's a rouge like spin off WITH a dlc

If it was playable offline I'd get it

But tbh in the test shi was hard asf

[tropic creek]

I can't really be friends with Elden ring 🥺
Just didn't enjoy the main game at all
Maybe have to try it again

[scenic meteor]

a roguelike is usually a dungeon crawler tho you go in get randomized items to change your run and then fight a boss that is usually predetermined

nightreign isnt a dungeon crawler and all the items are tailored to the hero you choose and the boss is mostly random

[worn knoll]

what something is "usually" does not matter for genre definition

[scenic meteor]

it fits battle royale more than it does roguelike

[worn knoll]

I need you to understand this. the most common way the genre is used does not define the genre. the material bounds of the genre defines the genre

you cannot define a genre based on vibes unless it's RPGs because no one ever gave those a definition and it haunts video game scholars every day

if there is such a thing as a video game scholar which I feel like we're far enough in that there probably is

[kindred vigil]

🧇

[sonic swan]

waffles or french toast

[scenic meteor]

so if it borrows elements from both battle royale and roguelike why cant it be both?

[kindred vigil]

Both

[sonic swan]

gotta choose. or pancakes

[worn knoll]

what elements does it borrow other than the circle

[kindred vigil]

Waffles

[worn knoll]

dark and darker is not a battle royale just because it has a circle

[sonic swan]

🐧

i love dark n darker

[worn knoll]

tetris 99 does not stop being a battle royale just because it does not have a circle or looting

[scenic meteor]

you gather weapons such as any other battle royale you spawned with nothing you have to go around the map doing objectives and quest to attempt to get better gear up until you fight the final enemy

[tropic creek]

I bet you do

[worn knoll]

the one thing that defines the genre is a large group and last man standing. is there a large group. is there a last man standing.

[worn knoll]

tetris would not count if those were set elements of the battle royale

[scenic meteor]

your dropped into the map randomly as any other battle royale

[sonic swan]

u scare me null

[worn knoll]

there are a million games with looting, and random placement on a map

in fact, you're reading roguelike to me! random start? random layout?

[kindred vigil]

First it was matchamking, then art styles not fitting with the game, now genre debate about what's a br and not 😭✌️

[tropic creek]

That's my intention
And now let's hug 🫶🏻

[scenic meteor]

is fortnite and apex not a random start on the map?

[worn knoll]

no you pick where you go

[tropic creek]

Let's drop tilted

[scenic meteor]

the battle bus and launch ship are randomly placed throughout the map in nightreign you spawn on a bird same as a bus and choose a location

on a open world map

[worn knoll]

your (bad) definition of what a roguelike "requires" suits it even better, randomized items? randomized layout?

[worn knoll]

ok that is pretty battle royale inspired but that doesn't make it part of the genre because it isn't. fucking. last. man. standing.

[scenic meteor]

are the items in fortnite and apex not randomize guns and loot????

[worn knoll]

yes those are nebulous traits is my point

they do not define any genre

[scenic meteor]

you do have to be the last man standing if you dont win you lose

[worn knoll]

you cannot define a genre based on common tropes within it or the vibes you get from it, only what it actually is

[worn knoll]

ok so if you go in with a group, then only one person can survive, and then they win?

if you don't win you lose is the state of every roguelike ever

[scenic meteor]

if you go in a group with fortnite you still win with the group?

[worn knoll]

and every other player has to die

are you competing against other groups?

[scenic meteor]

yes every other player has to die in nightreign you vs the boss

do PvP and PvE and PvPvE define a genre?

[worn knoll]

the boss is not a player, and again if you counted the boss as a player then it's a 3v1 that makes it an asym game not a battle royale anyway

[worn knoll]

not typically, though it depends on the genre, many are capable of all 3

but battle royale? it's one of those atypical genres

[scenic meteor]

exactly so why cant a battle royale be capable of all 3 if it fits the exact tropes of the game

[worn knoll]

if like, it was 30 bosses and your group adn the bosses were all fighting each other, that would be it

that would change my mind. because that's a free for all where the last man/group standing wins

but it's a 3v1. so it's an asym game or just a regular fucking roguelike that borrows some elements from games that count as battle royales

[scenic meteor]

and played exactly like a battle royale

[worn knoll]

if it's not a free for all, and there's not a large enough pool of players for there to at least be a three-way battle, then it cannot be a battle royale

[worn knoll]

no, it isn't, you fight a boss????

[scenic meteor]

the boss is the oen thing out of the box because they wanted it to be PvE its the only thing they could go

[worn knoll]

like I said, if you want a pve battle royale, the enemies must fight each other as well to make it a free for all

[scenic meteor]

its still a battle royale because its you vs the entire map

[worn knoll]

then helldivers is a battle royale

and every fucking game that's you vs a bunch of enemies goddamn hyrule warriors is a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

not nessicarily because you pick your loadout you extract and you have set mission out to do its very different

[worn knoll]

genres have to have rules or nothing makes any sense

the one rule, the simple rule, the only function of a battle royale. is that it is a free for all. between a large pool of entities. where one comes out on top and wins.

nightreign is not that. no matter how many tropes from other battle royale games it pools, if it is not that, it is not a battle royale.

[scenic meteor]

it is a free for all your group vs the entire map you ahve no allies and must determine your best path to prepare yourself for the circle closing

[worn knoll]

the bosses fight each other?

[astral trench]

real life is a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

you still have the entire map against you regardless enemies being in battle isnt a genre defining feature of battle royales

[kindred vigil]

True

[worn knoll]

a. battle. royale. cannot be. a 1. v. 1. or every fighting game is a battle royale. it cannot be two groups against each other. or halo multiplayer is always a battle royale.

[worn knoll]

the one rule, the simple rule, the only function of a battle royale. is that it is a free for all. between a large pool of entities. where one comes out on top and wins.

free. for. all. free. for. all.

[scenic meteor]

there is a large pool of enemies on the map of limgrave you must come out on top at the end of the circle to win

[worn knoll]

if they are all against you and no one else, it is not a free for all, there are two teams

[twilit sparrow]

battle royales suck
all my homies hate battle royales

[worn knoll]

true, but that's unrelated to scooby not knowing how genres work

[twilit sparrow]

DAY 41 OF BITCHING ABOUT ARACHNE ROLE

[sonic swan]

u will never be red

[twilit sparrow]

you*

[sonic swan]

not me

[scenic meteor]

where does it say a battle royale HAS to be pvp

[worn knoll]

this has nothing to do with pvp

I mean, debatably it does, but the other classifier is more important

free for all. between a large group of entities (players/groups/enemies/whatever). where one comes out on top and wins.

[scenic meteor]

So why does the enemies fighting eachother matter in a battle royale when that not even a guarentee in a battle royale you could come across a team one by one by one

[worn knoll]

you would not win a match of fortnite where no one fought each other and everyone just fought you one by one

[scenic meteor]

Elden ring is a free for all the enemies arent on a team you need to win

[worn knoll]

by this logic mario is a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

just because they dont have simulated battles amongst the npcs doesnt make it not a battle royale you still need to come out on top

[worn knoll]

there's a bunch of enemies, you have to fight them all and if you die you lose and start over

but you're not one of a group that's all fighting for the victory

that's the whole function

[scenic meteor]

in a PvP that would be the goal sure but that cant happen in a PvE they have to have some difference

[worn knoll]

by your definition of "you're placed in an area, you have to fight a bunch of enemies until there are none left, there's items to pick up" Dead Cells, a typical roguelite, is a battle royale

[scenic meteor]

one slight difference doesnt exclude it from the genre

[worn knoll]

so battle royale can only exist in a pvp, then

the "slight difference" being it's missing the one defining feature of the genre

[scenic meteor]

so PvP is the defining feature

[worn knoll]

that it is. a battle. royale. a battle royale. a last man standing battle to the death between many parties.

if that cannot exist in pve, if pve enemies fighting each other cannot create that, then yes

pvp is the defining feature, and battle royale is one of those odd genres like counter-strike style shooters that can't work in pve

[mystic gazelle]

the rage bait is crazy

[worn knoll]

am I getting baited. scooby you wouldn't do that to me

[twilit sparrow]

thats what the BR means, pvp, blitzb@t talks about the technical term nobody cares since the medieval times

[scenic meteor]

I cant agree i think any genre can be any variation of the 3 Ps

[worn knoll]

scooby my old pal I've known for five days. scooby.

you can't be ragebaiting me. not you.

not my trusted compadre of barely a week

[scenic meteor]

its only partial bait i still consider nightreign a battle royale 🙄

[worn knoll]

ok, so you are actually a little stupid

[mystic gazelle]

dam he stupid pharell

[worn knoll]

time not wasted then, yay!!!

[twilit sparrow]

nightreign sucks and so does BRs

when fromsoft makes japanese asset flip #5: 😄
when COD makes asset flip #10 : 🙁

reddit and weeaboos 101

[worn knoll]

ONE asset flip and you get tossed in with cod

[mystic gazelle]

new ragebait

[scenic meteor]

i can see why its excluded from being a battle royale but to the populace battle royale sounds more appealing

[twilit sparrow]

DS3, Elden ring, Nightreign are all literally the same games with different landscape

its an asset flip
just like Yakuza

[worn knoll]

no it fuckin' doesn't. if concord was a battle royale it probably would've dropped to 200 players instead of 800

nobody wants a battle royale. nobody. nobody at all. less people than want hero shooters or extraction shooters

[worn knoll]

see you're laughing now but I'll actually kill you for this someday. you won't know it's me. you won't see it coming. but I'll find you.

[mystic gazelle]

I want grok ai battle royal

[twilit sparrow]

Truth hurts
enjoy your asset flip target lock-on slop

[worn knoll]

lock ur windows

[mystic gazelle]

no it's called roll slop pal

[twilit sparrow]

2025 and they still cant make free-form combat
asset flip and outdated

[twilit sparrow]

Ah yes, full plate knight rolling around like a ball
the epitome of evolution in game design

[sonic swan]

it is fun to roll

[scenic meteor]

now yea but it released like 3 years after the battle royale craze and fortnite was getting more traction because it was having back to back to back crossovers so nightreign kinda piggybacked off that and the success from elden ring

[mystic gazelle]

raging the bait rn

[worn knoll]

nightreign is more recent than 2020

[scenic meteor]

yea it came out 2025 the last battle royale was like cod warzone mobile 2021

[worn knoll]

and it was already hated and outdated

[twilit sparrow]

still slop

[mystic gazelle]

if this server had a vc it would be the funniest vc ever

[worn knoll]

nobody wanted a battle royale last year either??? that's when concord came out

[worn knoll]

I don't rly like nightreign myself go back to elden ring if you want more death threats

[scenic meteor]

concord wasnt a battle royale was it?

[twilit sparrow]

its slop, your death threats are meaningless

[night furnace]

arc is the goat

fullstop .

[mystic gazelle]

arc is the goat of mediocrity yes

[twilit sparrow]

Fortnite raiders is the goat?

[night furnace]

whys bro rage bait

[worn knoll]

yeah but the comment you replied to was me saying if concord was a battle royale it would've failed worse because even less people wanted a battle royale than a hero shooter

concord was 2025 too

[mystic gazelle]

cuz this whole chat rage bait rn I wanna have fun too man

[worn knoll]

figure out what pisses off ding we can have a big rage bait party

[night furnace]

BR stink and so do hero shooters now... that is straight facts

[night furnace]

im too fried to be pissed

[twilit sparrow]

Arc raiders players aka stardew valley farmers made a bounty website to flag people who pvp
thats the community you praise

[night furnace]

i am streaming marvel rivals and i do want to chop my willy off

[twilit sparrow]

Also it has dodge roll which means it sucks

[worn knoll]

it's ok, arachne role will come, it's not your fault. it's not your fault.

[night furnace]

dodge roll firedoooode

[twilit sparrow]

Id rather play tarkov than that shit

[night furnace]

then ur a zoo animal

[worn knoll]

it's not your fault, man. it's not.

it'll happen one of these days, ok

[night furnace]

its fair tho, u enjoy that game more

[mystic gazelle]

arc raiders = roll slop
tarkov = cheater slop
marathon = ?

[worn knoll]

it's gonna be ok man. it's gonna be ok.

[twilit sparrow]

all the animals in my zoo dank on fortnite raiders aswell
the donkey next to me says it sucks
the gorilla in the opposite cage says it sucks
the giraffe from last of us says it also sucks

[night furnace]

yeah those animala are stupid bro

[restive skiff]

Arc is a very good. The amount of players it got a testament to that, but Arc failed as an extraction shooter. Theres no real threat in that game. It is actively trying to forgo the entire PvP part of the PvPvE genre. It should've just stayed as a looter shooter.

[night furnace]

dolphins play arc raiders dude

[night furnace]

have u not come across a shredder... they aint even the hard tings

[twilit sparrow]

HA! Wrong, i chill with dolphins on the pool at lunch time and they say it sucks, dolphins play HUNT showdown

[night furnace]

CAPPPP

im in stoopid game of rivals now so bye bye, stop by the strim if u wanna talk shiiii

[restive skiff]

A single UESC grunt is scarier than anything from Arc at this point dude. Going around Arc doesnt feel scary, it feels trivial.

[twilit sparrow]

im not watching your cartoon game slop brother but i wish you get many subscribers for real

[kindred vigil]

This chat bru 😭✌️

[worn knoll]

arachne is just cultslop anyway

real religionfarming sacrificesloppers

[twilit sparrow]

Thats not good either, there's a fine line between PVE and PVP in an extraction game, make PVE too hard and its gonna die just like that Cycle:Borderlands frontier slop died

[worn knoll]

overdone, too, aztecs beat you to it

literally like thousands of years ago

[scenic meteor]

it still wouldve flopped more than likely I dont think it was because of the genre it was put into it was because an unappealing game with nothing new added to it but games like Marvel rivals can copy the overwatch formula in even in a time where everyone doesnt want hero shooters because of the ip same with Nightreign it piggybacked off the success of elden ring and tried marketing it as a battle royale which made it more successful than it shouldve been (i think it lowk sucks) but not a bad game

[restive skiff]

And Marathon feels fine with it. At least its scary. Bungie accomplishes the feeling of not being welcomed since we literally are outsiders.

[twilit sparrow]

Thats good but as said, make PVE too hard and the third party always gets rewarded
= dead game

PVE in extraction games is about sound trapping and some stress, not about having too much sophistication on their design

[worn knoll]

jfc finally got the blue gem

fuck. I was so nice to all of you. I was trying to no-death a crash bandicoot level that whole time

while falling for ragebait from all angles

[restive skiff]

Its not too hard thats what Im saying. Im saying Arc is way too easy with its PvE.

[kindred vigil]

If this game was a card game it wouldn't be like this...🤦‍♂️

[worn knoll]

A lesser woman would've hacked into all of your computers and detonated them

[twilit sparrow]

I havent played that slop at all except from 1 beta test but I hear its PVE being praised constantly

[worn knoll]

it's really well designed, but it's not that hard

[twilit sparrow]

I also saw many clips of people getting popped by PVE, so whats going on?

[kindred vigil]

arc slop🤤

Mara slop 🤤

[worn knoll]

it just overwhelms you sometimes, but once you know how to deal with it, it's really just a side feature

[kindred vigil]

Tark slop 🤤

Delta slop 🤤

Arena Breakout slop 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

as it should be, extraction games is about PVP, PVE is there as mentioned to sound trap you and provide stress, PVE should never be a priority in an extraction game

[kindred vigil]

I think that's all of them lwk

[restive skiff]

You can always die, of course you can. Just like how a single goomba can kill Mario. It can always happen.

[worn knoll]

you have bad opinions

[twilit sparrow]

and you have never played an extraction shooter before

[kindred vigil]

Vigor slop 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

oh that really is slop ngl

[kindred vigil]

Black budget slop 🤤

[worn knoll]

I have played all of them. Since before the genre had a name. Ok not all of them but so many of them.

[kindred vigil]

Hunt slop 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

how many hours in your most played and what is your most played

[kindred vigil]

The forever slop 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

forever winter sucks, its slop indeed

[kindred vigil]

The cycle: slop 🤤

[worn knoll]

If we stick to what is known and what exists in them nothing will ever change, and we really truly are spent as a genre like the haters believe

[scenic meteor]

extraction shooters are too toxic this level of discourse wouldnt happen in the souls cord 🥀

[kindred vigil]

Dark and sloper 🤤

Exoslop 🤤

[worn knoll]

a good 5 or 6k between all of them, I'd have to count. Hunt Showdown is my most played probably since it was my first, tarkov is second I think.

[kindred vigil]

Maruadslop 🤤

[worn knoll]

if we count sea of thieves bc it has like kinda an identical formula but just no home base/menu, then that boosts up to 7k at least

[twilit sparrow]

you think making PVE hard in extraction shooters is the way you evolve the genre? yeah if you want your game to die lol
as said, pve should not feel easy but should not be the priority of the game either

[kindred vigil]

Slopfire 🤤

Ok that's all of them

[worn knoll]

not a pve mode, pve should be just as dangerous as pvp, make it just as involved and scary

[twilit sparrow]

exoborne? thats slop af i played it

[worn knoll]

why would that be a bad thing? how would that take away from the experience? would that not just make it fuller?

[kindred vigil]

Scooby should I do souls slop

[worn knoll]

if you have to keep your head down from non-player snipers while tracking a player rotating on you, the game becomes 10x harder and more involving

[twilit sparrow]

yeah that sucks, cycle frontier did that and it failed nobody likes getting jumped constantly by useless campers that wait for you to start a boss
your design is flawed and i am sure you never played an exfill shooter before

[scenic meteor]

dark souls is peak

[worn knoll]

it failed because of so so many hackers

[kindred vigil]

Demon slop 🤤

[worn knoll]

people loved it before that happened

[twilit sparrow]

it failed because it sucked as a game

[kindred vigil]

Slop souls 🤤

[worn knoll]

doomed to hackers by the mandate of god 🙏 😭

[kindred vigil]

Slop souls II: Scholar of the first slop 🤤

Slop souls 3 🤤

Slopborne 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

so why have tarkov not failed if cheaters are the issue?

because cycle was slop and a bad game that made PVE being hard and spongy as hell in a pvp game

[kindred vigil]

Sekiro: Slop dies twice 🤤

Elden slop 🤤

Elden slop: Nightslop 🤤

[worn knoll]

I don't think you were there for the cycle's last days. It had much less funding and a much bigger push of hackers because they knew the game could be killed by it and they wanted the glory in their little 4chan communities

[scenic meteor]

thats all the fromsoft slop

[kindred vigil]

Slopbloods 🤤

[mystic gazelle]

from slopware

[kindred vigil]

Slop of P 🤤

Mortal Slop 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

A group of 4channers versus a full dev team
amazing times

stop the slop narrative, cycle died because it sucked, i played it for over 500 hours

[scenic meteor]

you gonna be here awhile

[sonic swan]

mortal slop 2 soon 💯

[kindred vigil]

The Lord's of the slop 🤤

Slop vein 🤤

[scenic meteor]

slop vein 2 soon

[worn knoll]

you keep trying to flash your credentials and when it doesn't matter you just make up a reason why it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter, I'm not falling for that a third time

[sonic swan]

why’d you drop 500 hours if you didn’t like it

[kindred vigil]

Slop blade 🤤

Remant: from the slop 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

hackers dont ruin a game to total shutdown, hackers exist in every game including the most popular ones
the truth is that cycle was deeply flawed because it could not make up its mind between pvp and pve and copying tarkov

[kindred vigil]

Slop: limit 🤤

[scenic meteor]

Slop wars-jedi slop order

[sonic swan]

is remnant a slop like?

[twilit sparrow]

Extraction shooters are always PvP > PVE

[kindred vigil]

According to Google and steam

[sonic swan]

interesting

[kindred vigil]

The slopurge 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

oh that shit is mega slop, imagine dark souls with dodge rolls, ugly armors and backpacks on some fantasy armor and you also get the cherry of slops, 0 recoil guns with enemies that have 1 million hp pool

creatively bankrupt slop

[kindred vigil]

Wo: long, fallen slop 🤤

[sonic swan]

me and my buddies enjoyed it

[kindred vigil]

Black myth: Slop🤤

[sonic swan]

didn’t take it too seriously

[kindred vigil]

Ok I think that's all the souls like

[twilit sparrow]

its good co-op, same as outriders but as a game it sucks

[worn knoll]

world's strongest hater vs "me and my buddies liked it 🙂 "

[scenic meteor]

black myth slop

[kindred vigil]

Okay it's not but it's too much

[sonic swan]

as long as you have a good time it was money well spent

[kindred vigil]

mmo time 😈

Slop world 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

Cant wait for resident requiem, marathon and ad mortem to come out to escape the slop games that get produced constantly

HELP

[kindred vigil]

World of slopcraft 🤤

[sonic swan]

rip slop world gone too soon

[worn knoll]

I'm so scared of the black myth slop don't make me eat the black slop of myth

[kindred vigil]

The elder slop online 🤤

[inland hatch]

Arc Sloppers 👅

[kindred vigil]

Guild slop 2 🤤

Slop desert online 🤤

[umbral lantern]

Nice connecting with builders today.
We’re currently building production workloads on Ethereum and exploring zk-focused chains for future scalability.
Joint development is always welcome.
Freelancer-style individual engagement is also supported.
Our aim is dependable, scalable delivery.

[kindred vigil]

Slopscape 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

You dont need to name all mmos brother
all mmos are slop and inferior games

[sonic swan]

not again

[kindred vigil]

Lost slop 🤤

Final slop XIV 🤤

[twilit sparrow]

ethereum blockchain? what is this 2021? brother get on with the times

[kindred vigil]

Eve online.

[scenic meteor]

you forgot to add slop to that one

[kindred vigil]

it's self explanatory

[twilit sparrow]

there is no good mmo out there, he does not need to add slop

[scenic meteor]

trueee

[kindred vigil]

Destiny 2.

[sonic swan]

according to you

[twilit sparrow]

destiny 2 aint an mmo

[kindred vigil]

According to Google steam and it's fans it is but I genuinely don't know why it's seen as one

[scenic meteor]

the only good mmo is EoS rip new world (zero bias)

[worn knoll]

you are very principled that every game ever is bad besides this one

[kindred vigil]

Like omg trying to convince my old destiny clan that it's not a fucking mmo is so hell

[little jungle]

Hello

[kindred vigil]

MapleStory.

[night furnace]

holy fuck rivals suck, the more real ppl u have to play with, the worse games are...

shouldnt work like that\

[twilit sparrow]

all mmos suck
combat sucks
graphics suck
ui sucks

slop genre

[sonic swan]

i like how new world shut down 3 days after i decided i would main it for 2026

[kindred vigil]

Throne and slop 🤤

Wizard101 (🐐)

[sonic swan]

play ow

[night furnace]

banned, until the 26th

[sonic swan]

😟

[scenic meteor]

I actually had to do something the last two hours can you guys pause so I dont get distracted

[night furnace]

i was t500 in overwatch

[kindred vigil]

man I think I might agree with :s: most mmos fucking suck omg

[twilit sparrow]

nice
whoever gets banned on slopwatch deserves respect

[twilit sparrow]

thank you brother
welcome to the light

[worn knoll]

everybody stop talking scooby's busy

[kindred vigil]

I just started to think about the mmos I played and I enjoyed none of them past a week

[night furnace]

i got banned for saying words, nothing racist

[agile mason]

⏸️

[kindred vigil]

ok Scooby I won't talk for u 🤦‍♂️

[twilit sparrow]

good
slopwatch does not deserve a playerbase

[tropic creek]

Destiny 2 best mmo imo

[little jungle]

EVE Online best MMO

[night furnace]

yes it is full of pedos and freaks

[scenic meteor]

Okay we can ▶️

[kindred vigil]

thanks

[sonic swan]

mr money bags here

[agile mason]

▶️

[little jungle]

I’m Alpha

[twilit sparrow]

I dont care about that
I care that they ruined the game, the characters suck, so does the game

[kindred vigil]

the only MMO I enjoyed was old phantasy star 2 and the fact the older mmos r usually the more enjoyable says alot about the genre icl...

[night furnace]

yeah that is also tru

[worn knoll]

eve online is scary fym wars over millions of dollars can happen in that game

[kindred vigil]

Like why do more ppl play OLD mmos than new ones...

[scenic meteor]

More content

[little jungle]

They’re waiting for League of Legends MMO

[twilit sparrow]

its the same people who put 'friends' show when they clean their apartment - nostalgia and loneliness
emotion leads to slop

[night furnace]

games ruin games and so do ppl, too much fucking meta gaming these days

[sonic swan]

is that still happening

[kindred vigil]

U would think with our technology advancement we could actually you know, do more

it feels like I get prettier graphics in exchange of way less shit

[twilit sparrow]

YOU WILL EAT YOUR TAB TARGETING SLOP AND SAY THANK YOU

[little jungle]

Worldofruneterra.com

[scenic meteor]

Riot mmo pls save me I know it’ll be peak just look at league and valorant 🙏🙇‍♂️🙏🙇‍♂️🙏

[sonic swan]

hopefully it comes to fruition

[kindred vigil]

NGL if riot MMO sucks no one is playing any MMO besides xiv for a long ass fucking while

[worn knoll]

all slop derives, in fact, from a lack of emotion. a lack of inspiration, feeling, a lack of care and desire for anything other than profit. to think otherwise is to think as They wish for you to, and to consume willingly the slop of the masses

[sonic swan]

and wow ☝️🤓

[twilit sparrow]

ew xiv? the final fantasy game where players have razer headset furry ears?

brother ew
ew

[kindred vigil]

Wow fans tryna insert themselves in every mmo convo like we gaf

[worn knoll]

essentially, ::S.. is a commie, and is infiltrating our ranks to indoctrinate all of us

[sonic swan]

this is unreal slander

[kindred vigil]

I don't like xiv gameplay shi boring asl maybe I gotta revisit it but...

[sonic swan]

acting like wow isn’t the most popular mmo oat and to this day

[twilit sparrow]

Excuse me sir, i have never insulted you that heavy. calling me a commie? damn its time to call my lawyer

[scenic meteor]

Sadly

[kindred vigil]

You can be the leader while burning the legacy u built 🤫

[little jungle]

It’s pretty fun

[worn knoll]

I've got other outdated politically driven insults where that came from

[sonic swan]

ngl blizz has been doing alright with the content they’ve been releasing. just don’t pay attention to the story

[kindred vigil]

Game carried by cinematics and dialogue 🥀

[sonic swan]

it was never carried by dialogue

[little jungle]

Carried by M+

[kindred vigil]

I was told it has a great story and dialogue

[sonic swan]

carried by raids n dungeons more like

[scenic meteor]

Everyone with bad takes be misgendering I’m seeing a pattern 👀

[sonic swan]

whoever said that respectfully u need to cut them off

[kindred vigil]

Oh so destiny 2

[little jungle]

Until Wrath of the Lich King

And Legion

[twilit sparrow]

WoW has playable pandas
slop sunday cartoon game

let it die

[sonic swan]

nobody even plays them

[worn knoll]

nooootiiiciiiiing

[twilit sparrow]

good
i wont call the police

[worn knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-leopard-notice-eyes-emoji-gif-3191136013928225250

[sonic swan]

i think a chart showed panda players are like 1.6% of the player base

[little jungle]

W Human

[worn knoll]

this bouns round sucks

[twilit sparrow]

there is hope
wow is still slop

make wow 2 with action combat cowards

[sonic swan]

action combat what the hell

[twilit sparrow]

I met a dude once who said to me '' i main panda monk in wow they are so cute''

I proceeded to block them and burn bridges
truly dark times

[sonic swan]

wows tab targeting is one of if not the best in the business

[kindred vigil]

Mmo with actual combat instead of standing and pressing 1-10 would be nice

[twilit sparrow]

tab targeting and good cant go in the same sentence

[worn knoll]

we've got our very own robin poe. absolutely off-kilter and sometimes downright repulsive takes, but they're all so specific and principled you can't help but respect it

[little jungle]

Bro has never played Monk or Demon Hunter or Warrior or rogue

[sonic swan]

that’s just personal preference

[kindred vigil]

I never played wow in general I'm too young for dat

[scenic meteor]

It’s actually pretty fun

[sonic swan]

i wish i could counter this but my entire guild has kids or bad knees

[kindred vigil]

not paying a monthly sub for a game I'll play once a week for 1 hr

[twilit sparrow]

there's no personal preference, this is not 2000 where combat eats too much cpu and effects eat too much gpu

tab targeting is slop
action combat is better, more immersive and has better feedback

stop eating slop soup cleric brother, ill start praying for you

[little jungle]

Play Dark Souls trilogy please

[kindred vigil]

I own ds1

[twilit sparrow]

dodged a bullet

[little jungle]

W

[scenic meteor]

U played destiny 2 every week every day n paid a Xbox sub 🙄

[sonic swan]

here’s the thing man, i’ve been playing since i was 7 so im locked in for life

[worn knoll]

there's no personal preference, there is only me who is absolutely super duper right and absolute and you can't argue or you're a meanie head and stupid and dumb

[kindred vigil]

No you don't need Xbox gold for free games anymore they did that update in 2021 that's why I even played on Xbox

[little jungle]

EVE Online best MMO anyway

[sonic swan]

never been a fan of sci fi mmo’s

[twilit sparrow]

nostalgia is not a valid judgement value
i am sorry brother, i was there with an undead rogue when servers first opened making people mald

the game is slop
they should make wow 2

[scenic meteor]

Xbox is innovative W Xbox

[little jungle]

It’s sad cause you still need ps plus for destiny 2 lol

[kindred vigil]

Hence why my Xbox was my destiny console

[little jungle]

The only reason I ain’t playing it

[sonic swan]

dude you being an undead rogue makes so much sense now

[little jungle]

I played Destiny since the closed beta on PS3

[twilit sparrow]

yes
chademoji

[sonic swan]

i main undead too mostly

[scenic meteor]

I was a human paladin 🤓

[little jungle]

Non humpa confirmed

[twilit sparrow]

good choice, we should drink human blood at the poison pools tonight

[little jungle]

HUMPA

[sonic swan]

my main is a human pal 🤓

[worn knoll]

you all played wow?

I suddenly feel ill I think I have a dentist's appointment to water my garden on a run

[sonic swan]

if they would just allow undead to be paladins i would never touch humans again

[twilit sparrow]

most people born in the 90s have played WoW at this point

[little jungle]

Isn’t the plan to let every race be every class

[sonic swan]

yea but they’re taking their sweet time

[little jungle]

🥲

[scenic meteor]

I wasn’t born in the 90s I’m just a loser 🥀

[twilit sparrow]

another slop decision by activision, undead paladins? what

then again the game is nothing like it used to be its a mobile casual normie game now, facebook farmville is harder

[little jungle]

It’s already troll that Lightforged Draeni can be Warlocks 💀

[sonic swan]

it’s not slop, it’s valid in the lore. if they can be priests they can be paladins

[twilit sparrow]

its lore slop thanks for reminding me how bad it is

[sonic swan]

[twilit sparrow]

this is grim

[little jungle]

People that say slop

Have smelly sit down air?

[worn knoll]

43/44 boxes I'm gonna die

[scenic meteor]

Blitz don’t u have classes today?

[worn knoll]

yes

[scenic meteor]

Gg it’s so over

[worn knoll]

too bad me in 9 hours, I don't care about you being on time or getting sleep

[scenic meteor]

It’s a Wednesday anyway what could possibly be exciting on those days

[little jungle]

Looksminimizing

[kindred vigil]

Wednesday bash

[worn knoll]

if slippery climb is this bad what the fuck is stormy ascent like 💔

no checkpoint for like a mile of platforming in the rain

[scenic meteor]

Neeyth we dogs right

[kindred vigil]

yeah

[scenic meteor]

You’d tell me if I was chud or not right

[twilit sparrow]

Υou are so chud i thought you are smashjt for a second

[scenic meteor]

gg Neeyth left me on read I’m a chud 🥀

[twilit sparrow]

yes you are grummz

[kindred vigil]

of course sorry I'm eating that workout got me hungry 🥀

[scenic meteor]

On a scale from x/10 how chuddy am I

[kindred vigil]

2, 4 on a bad day

[twilit sparrow]

Smashjt making videos about marathon tier

[scenic meteor]

100/10 🥀

[twilit sparrow]

its over for you scooby
call shaggy
you need to go back at the van immediately brother

[kindred vigil]

name Scooby but he dont be dooing shi 🥀

[scenic meteor]

-1.5

I wanna build in hytale but there’s so many blocks I need to get to make da home look good

[kindred vigil]

Isaa journey

[scenic meteor]

Neeyth wanna play some PvP Warframe

[twilit sparrow]

ΑΥΟ
STYX HAS A DEMO ON STEAM?

BROTHER ARE WE BACK?

[kindred vigil]

Most bs pvp I've played

[earnest plaza]

Does Bungie choose randomly who gets to participate in closed playtests? Is there like a sign up?

[kindred vigil]

yeah but there's no play test anyway

[earnest plaza]

No beta or anything in the foreseeable future?

[kindred vigil]

Uh March will have some preview weekend #marathon-news

[scenic meteor]

I wish Ubislop would steal the dark souls formula for assassins creed tbh

[kindred vigil]

Tht would be to hard for their playerbase

[twilit sparrow]

Brother if you combine a turd with another turd that does not make it a miracle

[kindred vigil]

Dude I'm so sore I can barely move my arms 🥀

[scenic meteor]

Start rubbing em

[twilit sparrow]

All I want is marathon and ad mortem

[kindred vigil]

Why did u turn latin at the end

[scenic meteor]

It fr works n you get ur muscles faster trust the method

[twilit sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNoMrzSIFY8&t=1s

[kindred vigil]

Chivary but edgy and dark and fucked up

[twilit sparrow]

chiv if it was actually good
yes sir

I gave them 300 on kickstarter they better not f this up

[agile mason]

wym by dat

[gleaming bough]

[oak elbow]

🍏

[sonic swan]

i’m something of a game developer myself

[sonic swan]

after watching this i might donate myself

[twilit sparrow]

the kickstarter closed, they surpassed their goal by 4 times or smth

[sonic swan]

good. after chiv 2 devs announced they wouldn’t be supporting it anymore this is the perfect successor

[twilit sparrow]

it aint really like chiv 2, its much more like mordhau but fixed

[sonic swan]

never tried mordhau but still it looks good and i’ll try it

[twilit sparrow]

Mordhau was made by chiv 1 competitive players, its much better than chivalry 2 combat but chiv 2 has the best maps of any medieval game and modes

Ad mortem is made by chiv 1 and mordhau competitive players, youtube: ''why did they invite giru'' that is the lead project guy, he memed on a twitch event on everybody on mordhau was funny af

[worn knoll]

is mord alive at all?

I loved that game to death, even got passably good at it which is something knowing how fucking techy that game gets

[ionic hedge]

Civ 4

[scenic meteor]

Go to bed

[prime siren]

Arc Raiders vs Marathon?

[charred snow]

No more, please ;_;

[mellow stump]

Femboy Futa House clears both I’m afraid

[stiff verge]

... ?

[trim summit]

where do i sign up

[stiff verge]

At the current nowhere

[mellow stump]

steam bro where else

first time computer ?

[trim summit]

i don’t play on pc

[crimson helm]

Bungie, Good Morning

I congratulate you because in the last month you have done a good job with marketing and public relations.

I look forward to your Server Slam soon.

[worn knoll]

ARC - Incredibly fun pve, somewhat basic but still entertaining pvp, fun weapons and satisfying visuals and audio in a really unique, theatrical way that typifies DICE's best work. All unfortunately watered down by ABMM and a minimal loop with optional wipes.

Marathon - Tactical and thoughtful, but snappy and visceral PvP alongside somewhat basic but still challenging PvE with some unique bits, incredible visual style and a rich setting, with mysteries, puzzles and lore all throughout, capped off with the famous bungie gunplay. Too early to tell overall quality, and unknown if there will be any watering down of the formula (gbmm, sbmm, abmm, dedicated pve mode, things that let you choose what you want/choose for you rather than allow chance to force you out of your comfort zone, etc.), but promising.

[willow igloo]

I really hope they add Scavs or some kind of threat to the world. Fighting only other players makes the world feel much emptier. Every time you hear gunshots, you already know there are at least two players fighting each other. It’s not like someone is trying to survive against Scavs and you can go and help them.

[worn knoll]

You mean. The robots? The thousands of robots?

The marching UESC legions?

[willow igloo]

Oh. I just watched the Vidoc and I didn't hear them mentioning those once.

Also, I’m not sure how well these “hero” abilities fit the extraction shooter genre. We’ll see. I would drop all the shield and invisibility features, remove them entirely, and focus only on customizing your kit and weapons and winning fights based on that, rather than relying on shields or other abilities. We’ll see, but I already have a feeling there will be some meta heroes that everyone starts using because they’re better than everything else. I’ll get the game for sure, but let’s see how it goes. Jackfrags made a good video about this. Oh and I just LOVE the artstyle by the way. I'm ALL IN for this cyberpunkish neon color vibe ❤️

[worn knoll]

there were two whole sections about them

it's one of the first things they talk about

ok no it's actually a ways in hold on

well you see them all throughout but they specifically discuss them at https://youtu.be/fjzmhROTv28?t=522

multiple clips of combat with them, discussion of events involving them, even some lore talk about them seeming "possessed"

[willow igloo]

Thx. I'll watch it again. Let’s hope the Scavs are also lethal and not just there as props or too easy to kill. Like they said. They wanted to make the world feel more dangerous.

[worn knoll]

Ok this is gonna sound rude, but I mean it not in a rude way: you just said "I would make it another game entirely, but that's just me." Have you ever played Dark and Darker? This is similar to Dark and Darker, but it's a sci-fi shooter. Dark and Darker has meta classes. Dark and Darker has annoying classes, including one with invisbility and a few that excel at shields. But it all balances out to be fun anyway, except when the mad lead dev buffs his favorite class a bunch in an ego-trip, but that's probably not gonna be a problem on a AAA release.

And besides, kit is very important, your kit modifies your class abilities based on the core and implants

and mods and the like buff different stats, so you can build around specific stats for more niche setups for specific situations

[worn knoll]

To quote just a moment after that timestamp "It was really important to us that the UESC were not trivial to fight"

I think they'll be pretty tough

[twilit sparrow]

So you want scifi tarkov? Because I wouldnt play that, runners is what im here for

[worn knoll]

at least enough to not be like hunt pushovers

[twilit sparrow]

Cycle frontier was scifi tarkov, it sucked

[worn knoll]

second this - if this was just a sci fi tarkov clone it'd be just as uninspired and unnecessary as the haters claim it is

heroes, stat/core/implant buildcrafting, and strong story elements will validate this game's existence, not hold it back

[sullen geode]

so is the open play test 1 week before launch or just before launch?

[twilit sparrow]

I mean yeah, runners and class building differentiates this, if it does not survive ill just go back to HUNT

[worn knoll]

we have no date or confirmation

[sullen geode]

alright, i keep misunderstanding

[worn knoll]

"We'll have an open preview weekend before launch where everyone will be able to play. Date not yet announced, as you can see from the other comments 😇" - @/MarathonTheGame on twitter

[sullen geode]

so it can be february or january

[worn knoll]

anytime

[sullen geode]

yeah

[worn knoll]

could be this weekend for all we know, just one of these coming weekends before launch

[prime siren]

91% player retention kind of speaks for itself though, I hope marathon will take some pages from arc raiders' book (on some things) :P

[worn knoll]

COD ran the same numbers until the last three years, by relying on perfect engagement based algorithms to give everyone exactly the matches they wanted over and over. Utterly mindless. A dopamine machine, nothing more.

Extraction shooters stand out because they respect your intelligence and force you to expect the unexpected. Giving that up, making a move towards COD-like dopamine-maxxing, is how ARC gets those numbers. To me? That's not worth it. I don't want this genre I love to be watered down into a dopamine algorithm like every other shooter genre.

Players should be able to face the great terror of mild discomfort to seek stronger satisfaction and emergent gameplay, not be forced into an algorithm that gives them only what they are comfortable with before even being given the choice to go outside their comfort zone.

There is a lot that arc does right, that games can seek the emulate. The intelligent enemies, the satisfying and beautiful effects and responsive gameplay.

[cyan bridge]

another day another bible

[worn knoll]

Not the compromises they made to maximize success

[worn knoll]

You know me.

[cyan bridge]

i dont

[twilit sparrow]

Titanfall 2 > any cod jejejeje

[worn knoll]

Truthnuke

[cyan bridge]

I agree

postal 3 > any game

[twilit sparrow]

Also arc is funny game peak with third person from corners and spammable dodge roll yikes

[prime siren]

I really wish there was someone with no skin in the game who I could get a neutral opinion from :(

[worn knoll]

Unlikely. If it helps, I have 150 hours in arc, I pre-ordered and honestly thought it was going to win until I felt the impact of the ABMM and saw the loop begin to degrade because of the constant compromises.

So it's not a wholly biased opinion, it is informed by experience

Though obviously I do want marathon to do well and don't care much for arc endangering the space

[twilit sparrow]

I nearly bought it aswell because devs said last of us 2 is an inspiration but i dont see the combat philosophy anywhere in arc

[prime siren]

Honestly I love everything about marathon so far but PLEASE GIMME SOME SOCIALNESS IN MARATHON
I don't want something that is so hardcore pvp that I decide to just stop engaging in fights entirely because fighting the UESC just becomes an invitation to be third partied

[worn knoll]

That's true, they ought to have some of the puzzles designed to be best done with a large group to encourage some teaming

[worn knoll]

Ok but you know specifically that I write bibles in this chat. You know that about me.

[cyan bridge]

i dont

[twilit sparrow]

There wont be any teaming up with other teams marathon is pvp first its very clear

[worn knoll]

You missed The Big One ™

[cyan bridge]

Hi

[worn knoll]

I have done it in your presence so many times Alice.

[prime siren]

I mean like, the game, as a whole
No one wants to spend their time getting literally falcon punched by a meanbot when they could just overwhelm them with the power of friendship (literally)

[cyan bridge]

no you didnt

[prime siren]

The melee animation for the UESC drones is BOMB.

[cyan bridge]

oh yeah uesc great guy

[worn knoll]

Yeah I saw that in the Vidoc that's fucking wonderful they can just beat our asses

[prime siren]

...which shoooouuld encourage social teamwork right? right???

[cyan bridge]

😛 😳

[twilit sparrow]

Oh im backstabbing everybody
I dont want to play arc raiders

[worn knoll]

I had to break it into two parts or it wouldn't let me post it
#🗣marathon-general-chat message

[prime siren]

would you prefer a marathon without the UESC entirely?

[cyan bridge]

oh my god

[twilit sparrow]

I prefer if marathon stays a pvp game first

[cyan bridge]

blitz ur intellectual aura is enough to fry my brain

[prime siren]

so that's a yes

[worn knoll]

Idk loot competition is maybe too hot to bother on a truce.

[twilit sparrow]

I aint teaming with anybody bro, and if someone begs for help ill shoot them in the face i dont care lol

[prime siren]

Yeah abmm in arc raiders actually supports you doing this btw

[worn knoll]

He's got a thing, he gets really mad thinking about PvE being difficult for some reason bc (and I'm nearly quoting him here) other games don't do it so no game should

[twilit sparrow]

Wrong, cycle did it
and it died because it was shit

[twilit sparrow]

wont be abmm in marathon, because as marathon twitter acc said ''kill other players first'' and they are based fori t

[cyan bridge]

oh yeah cycle great guy

ok new marathon bible dropping im excited

[worn knoll]

Supports as in hides friendlies from you so you never have to bear the terrible pain of encountering someone who plays in a way you don't expect.

I heavily resent gbmm, abmm, and sbmm in these games, because they go against what makes the genre unique. As I detailed in my three paragraph rant, I guess, so redundant.

[prime siren]

There's so few games with actual socialness, I think marathon would benefit endlessly from having that. Without it, it's just kinds of 'slots in' with valorant, arena shooters, and battle royales, since your just fighting other people all the time with no fun standoffs or conversations with randoms

[cyan bridge]

hell yeah

[brave jewel]

Eh how do we know this?

[worn knoll]

I take it you haven't played a lot of extraction shooters

[prime siren]

Nope

[cyan bridge]

when blitz takes too long to type

[worn knoll]

She meant I was typing for a long time loool

[brave jewel]

Oh

[twilit sparrow]

Thats your view, I dont think socializing with is randoms is fun, i think it can happen but the fun is shooting people

[cyan bridge]

i thought shakespeare was dead

[brave jewel]

I should sleep…
Nothing is making sense to me rn

[cyan bridge]

do u need a good night kiss

[prime siren]

Word on the street is, ABMM is fun. Even in some halo servers I'm in ppl are praising it :P

[brave jewel]

Sorry ladies I’m #gay

[cyan bridge]

halo🤤

[brave jewel]

It’s bizarre we just got two tweets in one day and everything is just back to normal again 😭

[twilit sparrow]

I wont even say anything to halo slop franchise, ABMM is a solution for normies who like fortnite raiders, its equally as bad as COD SBMM and takes away developer intent because people cant fathom they buy a pvp game, I dont think i've seen a more putrid fanbase than arc raiders regarding pvp so far anyway

''i bought a pvp game, i dont want to pvp''
reopen mental asylums please

[cyan bridge]

cmon blitz just a few more paragraphs

[brave jewel]

If only the PvP in arc was good

[prime siren]

You're pretty extreme, huh, @twilit sparrow?

[cyan bridge]

kept you waiting, huh?

[twilit sparrow]

I remember when devs said ''last of us 2 is an inspiration for us''
meanwhile the game has 0 combat design, its the most basic bitc* shooter ever made
last of us 2 has: kneecap stun shots, grapples, throwables, dolphin dive and actual human movement
arc raiders: let me dark souls dodge roll and pump my shotgun then do it again

absolute farce

[cyan bridge]

WHYD U STOP BLITZ

[brave jewel]

Surely preorders are next week

[twilit sparrow]

cant wait to pre order 200 dollar edition of marathon and make grifters mad

[worn knoll]

I love this genre. To death. I have been playing these games since before the genre had a name (ik I'm so cool) and I promise you, what makes them unique is not that they give you what you want or expect, or let you choose how to play. It's that you have to be constantly planning, you have to expect the unexpected, and you're not just farming dopamine, you're carefully making decisions moment to moment in a session that doesn't go as is best or most ideal for you at any given time, but in the end, in retrospect, tells a wonderful story.

ABMM is more immediately fun, you don't have to get into the right mindset at all, functionally just plug and play. So of course it'll get praise. But it kills this unique experience that these games encourage, and if it becomes the standard the genre dies and is replaced with an algorithmic standard like every other genre.

[cyan bridge]

now this is peak marthaton

[worn knoll]

I was trying to dismiss him in a friendly way but just straight up don't bother with spider-guy he's been ragebaiting in here all day.

[twilit sparrow]

ABMM is a farce and it should stay in arc only

[brave jewel]

o7

[cyan bridge]

67

[twilit sparrow]

I condemn all ABMM fans to play highguard on day 1

you will eat your ''modern audience'' slop and say thank you

[brave jewel]

Tbh a big reason arc is successful is because it’s the weenie hut jrs. of the extraction genre

I still like it though

[brave jewel]

Don’t start this foolishness

[worn knoll]

ABMM isn't even bad for arc, your sources don't lie, it does make that game more fun and accessible to all walks, but it cannot be the standard, or to put it simply, extraction shooters eat themselves alive.

[twilit sparrow]

Arc is successful because its casual extraction game, it looks good, it has large maps that allow people to play how they want and the PVE is decent and at the great line of 'difficult but manageable easily if you know what to do''

Ofc they had to ruin it with ABMM though

[cyan bridge]

do you know who you're talking to?

[worn knoll]

And this genre has barely explored itself, it's too early to genericify it

[brave jewel]

Not really…
Should I be scared

[twilit sparrow]

Barely exploded? Tarkov is still top watched on twitch brother and sold another million on 1.0

[worn knoll]

Explored

[cyan bridge]

you're telling ME, not to say 67?

[twilit sparrow]

mb im blind

[brave jewel]

😳

[cyan bridge]

its on tubbalubs just you WAIT🔥 😡

[twilit sparrow]

Marathon, from my playtests seems to be the fine line of tarkov and actual fun gameplay design without overbloat trash

The only thing that remains to be seen is how PVE is going to play a role when it gets intertwined with pvp, if they f*ck this up, its over

[prime siren]

So what your saying is
Arc is a bad extraction shooter because you dont have to play it like a sweat every time you log in

[worn knoll]

No, I'm saying it compromises a major part of the genre by disrespecting the intelligence of the players and giving them an algorithm to rely on.

[cyan bridge]

🧐

[prime siren]

I mean, if you want a hard-core experience you can do that by shooting everyone you find then jumping into Stella montis, atheist if their discord is to be believed

[worn knoll]

A game can be more casual and forgiving, and arc IS, with its forgiving TTK, easily obtainable loot, and third person perspective, without relying on algorithms.

[worn knoll]

You're not listening. I don't want to get a hardcore experience, or an all friendly experience, what makes this genre unique is that you never know what you're going to get, and you have to change your plan in real time to adapt to it. A unique and emergent story is told every match.

[cyan bridge]

holy truke

[twilit sparrow]

the extraction genre is inherently more tryhard than any pvp genre out there

[worn knoll]

I don't shoot first, I always give people a chance to call truce, so I'm in dead friendly servers that always end up the same. "Just kill people and you'll get what you want" I don't want what I want, let alone to be able to game the system to get it, I want to be challenged. Of a million braindead shooters that expect nothing of you but to point and pull the trigger, extraction shooters force you to make choices, to think and plan, to be uncomfortable for a moment in order to find a more satisfying and fulfilling experience.

[cyan bridge]

super truke

[worn knoll]

That is what makes the extraction shooter special. Not the loot. Not the extracting. Not the pre-match loadout gathering. It's the moments where you don't know what to do, where you're suddenly caught off guard and have to make a decision that could make or break your run. Do you trust the stranger at the end of the hall? If the answer can be predicted, you've lost the plot.

[prime siren]

Is an extraction shooter that can be played casually bad because extraction shooters are supposed to be inherently hardcore? I dont think so. You said yourself the genre has barely explored itself. The current definition of battle Royale is war zone and fortnite. But if we went with the games that started that genre, the wz/fn we have today would be considered a complete departure, at least I think.

I dont think there's anything wrong with player choice and the casino type of experience you describe where you never know what to expect is the experience im going to shoot for because sometimes I'll team and, sometimes I'll betray lie and manipulate. My ideal lobbies are ones where other people could be anybody, and do anything, ranging from kill on sight to the most pacifist fella ever

[worn knoll]

That doesn't make arc a bad game, but it does mean that it cannot be the blueprint, or we will lose the one kind of shooter that truly stands out.

[twilit sparrow]

This never happens in any extraction games, only in arc, in all extraction games since the dawn of the genre its pvp first

[twilit sparrow]

what do you mean by 'played casually'?

[worn knoll]

You're still not listening. It's bad because it's casual? Hardcore? Departures from the formula? You're making assumptions about my point before you read any of it. None of this applies to what I have said. I'm describing a core aspect of the gameplay, as central to this genre as "last man standing" is to battle royale, not a difficulty rating or a formula specific to one game.

[cyan bridge]

truke or fart bomb?

[prime siren]

I do get what you're saying. The unpredictability of other players is as core to the genre as a shield system is to a battle Royale

[worn knoll]

Hell, that last part sounds like you're enjoying ARC in SPITE of the ABMM, not because of it. That sounds like you want what I want.

[worn knoll]

Now is that what I said.

[prime siren]

I haven't played arc yet but I assume the matchmaking is a little more gray then either all out war or sunshine an rainbows

[worn knoll]

You're trying to simplify it all down, find the "root" of my argument, rather than discuss it in whole. That's not going to get us anywhere.

[prime siren]

I think so. I'm not the smartest person ever though. I'm also short on time

[nimble canyon]

Upon further playing I have dictated that Metroid Prime 4 Thinks You Are Stupid.

The level of handholding is so severe that they made yellow tape the chracter.

And you cannot disable him.

[worn knoll]

So, you haven't played the game, and you're trying to tell me what works about it and how other games in the genre (which you also said you haven't played) should be structured? I'm not sure the point of any of this now.

[nimble canyon]

Metroid Prime 1, 2, 3 had a hint system yes, but you can avoid it.

No such ability with Metroid Prime 4.

[worn knoll]

As does every game nowadays.

[prime siren]

I'm just going off what other people have said about the games and genre, including you.

[nimble canyon]

Also Marathon and Arc cannot be compared to one another. I've played both.

[twilit sparrow]

Marathon is a game
arc is VR chat

[prime siren]

Theyre both extraction shooters, no?

[nimble canyon]

Arc's aggression based matchmaking only does one thing. "WHo shot first"

That's all it tracks, the devs confirmed.

[worn knoll]

You can't gather the extraction shooter core on text alone, I was assuming you had already kinda felt it.

If it's all hypothetical to you, it's clear why my points are bouncing off

[prime siren]

Well, my apologies.

[worn knoll]

No need, I just wish it had been clarified

[frigid valley]

Arc is sucessful because
the game is fun
who'd of thought removing all the CBT from tarkov and putting it in a way more aesthetically appealing world would be good idea

[twilit sparrow]

Its gonna be funny though, usually players act depending on what 'exfill school' they started in, so depending on the game you started as you will behave

[nimble canyon]

Arc is as casual as an extraction shooter can possibly get. I clocked 132 hours until I got bored, I clocked 122 hours with marathon and wanted more.

[worn knoll]

Also helldivers is an extraction shooter. It's a hugely broad genre.

[twilit sparrow]

Arc raiders looks like junkyardpunk thats not appealing at all the art style sucks

The maps are beautiful tho

[frigid valley]

Nah its retrofuturism

[worn knoll]

You bring down the intelligence in this chat room by values unmeasurable without a bird's eye view

[frigid valley]

its great alittle UE5 at the time

[autumn anvil]

this is becoming a reddit chat lol

[twilit sparrow]

aint my fault you like slop like fallout and arc raiders

[nimble canyon]

Also Arc painfully is one of the few UE5 games that works as intended.

[worn knoll]

Everything's slop to you, you haven't called any game not slop besides marathon since you got here

[nimble canyon]

It dosen't run like utter fucking ass.

[undone flower]

What'd you say is it more pvp or pve focused as you progressed?

[twilit sparrow]

I am glad Marathon looks so fresh because brother i am tired of military and junkyard fallout slop in games

[prime siren]

But I have learned something

A big reason im going to play arc raiders is because I really like how marathon looks but im not sure if I'll enjoy how it plays match to match, so im using arc raiders as a testbed to see if I'll like the genre. Also because I think its actually pretty cool. But I have more investment in marathon and i wanna know if I'll like it. But I may be forced to buy it and step into a huge question mark if you're right about the two being completely different.

[frigid valley]

Arc is more PvE

[autumn anvil]

arc raiders is a masterpiece in its own way

[twilit sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dol-huh-eyes-disgusted-gif-11690827820922534530

[nimble canyon]

Arc is mostly PVE with PVP sprinkled in depending on player choice.

I've grown bored, I did not do the reset.

[autumn anvil]

why u hate what u dont understand 😢

[frigid valley]

The PvP is needed no matter what the reddit says
need some villains with your hero's

[nimble canyon]

Reddit can go suck the biggest of [REDACTED] as can Twitter.

Their opinions are dogwater.

[undone flower]

I have a question, why is there so many negative comments about Marathon in general where people have mostly negative opinions about it comparing it to so many other games and saying it's doomed to fail. I don't get that view at all, to me it seems like an instant hit.

Where's it all coming from is mostly youtube though

[twilit sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dj5Q56tMUbU

masterpiece

[autumn anvil]

the best thing about arc are the choices, you can play so many roles in that game, and even if the peak of the game isnt the most competitive, but even then it has many movement mechanics and gunplay knowledge you can master

[frigid valley]

either

Its not destiny 3 so im mad
Fuck bungie bandwagon

[prime siren]

I think the main gaming populous just likes hating. Lot of stuff about marathon is cool I think.

[worn knoll]

It will certainly be jarring if you treat them as the same, but the core formula is similar, they take some similar aspects from other games in the genre, they're just not that comparable in their sub-genres. It's a good entry point, either way, just don't expect arc to challenge you the way any other game will, or force you out of your comfort zone.

I guess that's the big warning on this genre - there will be significant initial discomfort in any game besides arc. You will have to get used to strange things you don't like at first. It's by definition an acquired taste.

[charred snow]

Perceived Extraction Shooter fatigue and hero shooter-like classes

Plus nowadays there seems to be an effort to throw hate at any property that moves.

[frigid valley]

Fatigue from a genere that before arc had one notable one for all the wrong reasons

[twilit sparrow]

stolen art
bad graphics on first playtest
gameplay that we seen 100 times before
bland in general

all true for the first playtest
I played last october, the game is great now

[worn knoll]

On point, lots of people just hate games and only play what they're already comfortable in, and consider new releases as an excuse to point and laugh, not a new experience.

[undone flower]

I can't wait for this game, I'm fkn 30 and this is the first game that's making me psyched about it since forever now

[charred snow]

Right. I keep forgetting the stolen art situation. That was indeed deserved flak.

[prime siren]

I guess my question with marathon is how acquired.
Honestly I think the biggest think that'll turn me away is if I repeatedly get killed by players beyond my skill level until the game decides im worthy to simply survive. I dont like how every single game with pvp in it just feels like im in a rigged system designed specifically to frustrate me.

[autumn anvil]

marathon looks like the perfect extraction shooter for a solo and i hope it delivers

[undone flower]

Wasn't it said that a former employee plugged in their own art and then down the line they quit or got fired so the art stayed as a bundle in presets or something

[twilit sparrow]

You will die by other players better than you, this happens in every game ever made

[charred snow]

That will be up to how matchmaking works here.

[prime siren]

I get that, being killed by someone isn't so bad. But feeling like I had no chance causes me to walk away.

[cyan bridge]

your user looks brazillian

[frigid valley]

why do you think Arc did so well

[charred snow]

Close enough

[cyan bridge]

what do you meaaan bro i have a good eye for dat

[charred snow]

You're looking at the wrong side of the pond 😂

[cyan bridge]

youre Portuguese?

i mean atleast we understand eachother

[twilit sparrow]

thats how it goes in online games, sometimes you get no chances

[cyan bridge]

🥹

[worn knoll]

Well, if there's no sbmm on launch, which I'm praying (as we've discussed I think any algorithmic matchmaking is bad for the genre) it'll be kinda down to luck.

I hate to say it but a lot of the genre is throwing yourself at a brick wall until you get strong enough to break it, and once it "clicks" like that you're hooked. But that initial hurdle is hard, and might be a bit much tbh if you don't like or can't tolerate that sort of thing.

A game for everyone is a game for no one, as arrowhead says, so if you bounce off this genre it genuinely simply might not be your thing.

[prime siren]

I mean like

I dont wanna get my ass beat so hard, so many times that I feel like dreg. Online pvp seems to have a real knack for that these days and its what drives me to pve experiences like helldivers 2.

[worn knoll]

Don't be mean spider. Be normal for once spider.

[frigid valley]

Have you considered our Lord and Saviour Deep Rock Galatic, The best extraction Shooter out there

[worn knoll]

Oh I do second that that's a damn good game

[nimble canyon]

Some dogwater takes in here.

[frigid valley]

Thats not very rock and stone of you

[twilit sparrow]

this happens to all of us without exclusion, in extraction games you can form your own playstyle and master it and always stand a chance though its not like Call of duty where you have to master slides, corner peeking etc. Also its funny you say that because I love pvp games for the difficulty and depth, I played helldivers like 30 hours and I cant stand hitting braindead AI all day

[nimble canyon]

DRG is great.

[worn knoll]

Most normal you've been all day, thank you

[twilit sparrow]

aint my fault my factually correct takes are not to your liking

[nimble canyon]

Also calling things you don't like slop is incredibly reductive and makes me and others think you aren't open to discussion, your opinions are incredibly abrasive and not at all constructive.

[twilit sparrow]

good
dark souls is slop

[worn knoll]

Well, good while it lasted, 🙄 maybe someday we'll get you to a state where you can go out in public

[twilit sparrow]

and so is arc raiders
so are all dodge roll games

[nimble canyon]

Do you have a point or are you just a ragebaiter like Pointer?

[twilit sparrow]

I go out in public, I am not a redditor brother, you dont have to worry about me ❤️

[nimble canyon]

Well your inability to debate and have civil and constructive conversations say otherwise.

[frigid valley]

welcome to the internet

[prime siren]

And its like, if im a weak fucking dreg then sure, but dont hype up my runner shell and make me look all cool so I can get slaughtered. That's like donning the armor of the master chief then dying on the toilet. Little nightmares is a game great at making me feel weak and when I reset checkpoint over and over again during a difficult chase I accept that the world is brutal and designed to kill me. But id feel real stupid if my little character was wearing flaming knight armor, because then I wouldn't feel weak diegetically, id feel weak personally, and I don't need a video game making me feel that.

[frigid valley]

no one can simply say

This game is not for me

[nimble canyon]

have a look around

[twilit sparrow]

Its always peculiar and funny to me how people will call you ragebaiter when they dont like your opinions but I guess that says a lot about you and your relationship with democracy (which is not good)
ill be honest
dark souls is slop and an asset flip
so is COD
but dark souls get praised by weebs
thats called a double standard

[worn knoll]

Don't engage he flip flops between regular and bullshitting to make you mad so rapidly it's impossible to talk to him.

[nimble canyon]

Average politician.

[twilit sparrow]

If you get mad by other people's opinions maybe the internet is not for you brother

[nimble canyon]

Welcome to the internet, have a look around
Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found
We've got mountains of content, some better, some worse
If none of it's of interest to you, you'd be the first

[twilit sparrow]

There is no such thing as 'inability to debate' by my part, I have not insulted you, maybe you consider me insulting things you like which is totally not the same thing, get a grip

[prime siren]

DUDE I LOVE HOW MARATHON LOOKS AND FEELS

The decaying bodies, the rain, the desolation, that classic bungie gamefeel. But I have zero idea if the core experience is for me. Its just a huge question mark, maybe that's why I keep coming back to chat in this server. Soon enough I'll have a better idea but my goal here is to understand if marathon is something I wanna drop money on and not end up regretting. I play on Xbox so once I've purchased there's no refunds. I need to be ready to go all in or all out with this game.

[worn knoll]

Oh don't worry about that, these shells are not master chief. These are fragile, barely human-ish hollow 3d printed bodies meant to be used and disposed of. Runners are not cool. They're one-use walking dead people meant to be thrown at a problem, discarded and have their consciousnesses pulled and replaced into a new shell to do it all over again. We're so weakly constructed we literally dissolve into piles of goop within hours of deactivation.

[nimble canyon]

Fuck it, I'm gonna go play Phantom Hourglass, reddit/twitter qualtity debates frustrate me.

[twilit sparrow]

try arena breakout: infinite (not sure if its on console tho)

[prime siren]

Like how marathon FEELS and its whole thing just latched onto me. I wanna play this game!!!

But will I enjoy it?

[frigid valley]

no no that wasnt aimed at you per-say it was more a generalist comment

and also good thing there is a open playtest a week before launch

[prime siren]

It isn't.

[twilit sparrow]

ah shame, its the only free half-decent exfill

[nimble canyon]

Oddly enough a console release isn't planned either.

[worn knoll]

It seems like you'll have to get your hands on it, like I said, extraction shooters can't be boiled down to text on a screen. Good luck, runner, and as dark souls said once. Prepare to die.

[cyan bridge]

thoughts on bunnymaxxing?

[frigid valley]

what in the fuck is that

[worn knoll]

Shit I have a class in 5 hours I need to sleep

[cyan bridge]

morphing into a bunny

[frigid valley]

Oh shit sure become Rabbit

[twilit sparrow]

that sounds like slop brother

[worn knoll]

Seems right up your alley Alice

Ok that one got a chuckle

[cyan bridge]

you have a really bright future pal

[prime siren]

If you say that god damn word again im gonna shoot you.

[frigid valley]

I wake up
eat tasty Lettuce
sleep

[twilit sparrow]

shooting someone is slop

[cyan bridge]

see bro this person gets it

[worn knoll]

THANK YOU IVE FELT THIS WAY ABOUT THIS GUY ALL DAY

[cyan bridge]

thankyouslop