🗣marathon-general-chat

[glacial bane]

you will probably rust though 👍

[final mauve]

other than "the black garden" and having a song titled "the rose". imo those are super analagous to the Black Tower from The Black Tower. Black Garden -> Black Tower. Roses. And an emphasis on time and other universes

[stone grail]

Nah

[void badge]

My mother has an autoimmune disease and I've been aware it would kill her since a very young age.

I also spent 4 years where every waking moment (some sleeping ones too) was spent looking for a purpose worth spending my limited time on, and I came to the conclusion that the best way to spend my time was on making more time for myself. Because if I could buy myself more time than I spent then I wouldn't have to be afraid of running out.

[red echo]

Yeyeye

Two of my favorite places are the Teatro Colón (over a century old opera house) and the book shop El Ateneo (was a theater, got turned into a book shop that is like, 4 floors tall)

[final mauve]

hell there's a class called Gunslinger who has a skill called "Keyhole", huuuuge stephen king reference lel

why would a gunslinger have a skill called keyhole??? makes no sense

[stone grail]

he likes keys

[final mauve]

The Wind Through The Keyhold is a book

[glacial bane]

I see. This is very sweet. I think you have found your calling then. Good luck 👍

[final mauve]

Keyhole*

[red echo]

......none of my messages had sent and the entire conversation moved on
Anyway

Make room in your life to appreciate the pretty things, y'all.
Go on walks and appreciate the beauty in nature around you, or take a moment to admire the beauty in the patterns of man-made things, or do both

[final mauve]

^

Live your life with arms wide open

[brave jewel]

Night walks have saved 2025 for me 💫

[void badge]

Forever then yang to my yin

[final mauve]

no one else, no one else, can speak the words on your lips

[kindred vigil]

I like this version of gen chat

[final mauve]

FEEL THE RAIN ON YOUR SKIN-

[glacial bane]

What if I'm the most pretty thing I ever saw. Would I just stand in front of a mirror and look at myself.

[scenic meteor]

Yes

[glacial bane]

thanks

[red echo]

Y'know? Agreed?
Communicating information through pictures is one of the oldest things out there, and there's entire languages that evolved from... pictographs, I believe they're called? Can't remember very well.
So there's that, also.

[void badge]

Exist in the moment
Enjoy the water on your skin
Create for the sake of creation
Savor the structure of the world around you

[final mauve]

Anyway, my efforts to reverse engineer a bunch of bs files from 1999, continues

and it is agonizing.

[red echo]

Nice!! Night walks are great. Walks in general are✨️
Sometimes I go outside and take pictures of tiny snails

[red echo]

:D
💞💞💞☺️

[glacial bane]

I think we used gestures and basic sounds before we evolved language and speech, so that would make sense.

[finite radish]

Gonna mod my steam machine to look like the 🕋

[glacial bane]

sick

[brave jewel]

I also think the first written form of language was cuneiform in Mesopotamia?
It’s interesting to think we used images only to communicate for so long, but makes sense

[kindred vigil]

w kaaba (?)

[final mauve]

Making mine look like a companion cube from Portal when I get mine

if they make a companion cube version, id buy it

[brave jewel]

The GabeCube

[red echo]

Agreed agreed

[void badge]

That and body language. So the best avalaible evidence suggests.

[brave jewel]

I like looking at the stars :)

[final mauve]

is language art?

[finite radish]

Yeah

[glacial bane]

kinda

[final mauve]

can everything technically be art or an art form when percieved through one's critical thoughts?

[glacial bane]

language is an abstraction of our inner feelings. its never 100% true. and people interpret them differently

[finite radish]

Every word I speak should be cherished like a good cheese...

[void badge]

Arguably any creative act can be considered artistic. Including the act of creating new experiences and memories.

[kindred vigil]

art is interpretive no?

[red echo]

I'd say so, in a way?

[scenic meteor]

Could I be art

[kindred vigil]

Of course

[brave jewel]

I’ll never regret taking psychology

[glacial bane]

thats a bridge too far for me dawg

[glacial bane]

a worthy topic

[brave jewel]

Don’t think either is mutually exclusive but it depends on what you define art as tbh

[finite radish]

Regret like halo

Halo mentioned

[glacial bane]

art has a very literal meaning which is to create. so many things can be art

[red echo]

One can call many things art, there just happens to be also a... what's the word, a general consensus of what qualifies and what doesn't? That being said, there's no obligation to live your life by said hard rules, so.

Many things can be art.

[finite radish]

Have you guys seen the video of the dude with a hook nut on his head

[void badge]

Two hydrogen atoms fused to create helium. The pressure and heat of their home star is the artist.

[finite radish]

Because that hook nut guy is pure art

[red echo]

I....lost my train of thought halfway through typing, ngl.

[glacial bane]

🌟

[glacial bane]

thanks for trying though 👍

[red echo]

There was so much information in my brain for a second there that it ended up canceling out into nothing, lmao.

[void badge]

Reasons I love you

[brave jewel]

Tbf art is still dependent on human perception

Something can objectively be art but that doesn’t stop someone from not seeing it as such

[glacial bane]

yes it has certainly taken up as a word that is very abstract these days but in the before times it was like arts and crafts. you made a rope from hemp, you made art. you were an artisan

[red echo]

Mhmhm

[glacial bane]

in other words you knew how to make things

[brave jewel]

Oh yeah I didn’t consider the specialization aspect of it

[finite radish]

Art is cool, perchance

[brave jewel]

-# you can’t just say perchance!

[red echo]

lmao

[void badge]

Art is not a strict category. As such the interpretation of the boundary between art and not art is up to the decision making parameters and training of the interpreter. I personally interpret the boundary to be nonexistent, so all things are art. But I am also fucking weird.

[finite radish]

Art is whatever my side likes

Degeneracy is whatever the other side likes

[kindred vigil]

My team vs enemy team

[void badge]

This is art

[void badge]

W Fillian Neeyth

[red echo]

The Fillian pfp has made an unexpected comeback

[brave jewel]

If all things were art then AI would be art, which…
I still feel like there is some sort of boundary that we subconsciously put on that definition

[finite radish]

Ain't filian racist or is that the other 30 vtubers

[glacial bane]

my foot isnt art. lets be real

[maiden token]

just because something's art doesn't mean it's good

AI art is art, it's just shit, and stolen

[brave jewel]

True
Shitty rip offs of pre-existing art

[finite radish]

I make some pretty awesome art when I put three tonal distortions on a kick and run it through a guitar amp and cassette tape into an apple earpod mic

[void badge]

AI is art, it's just not human art. Personally I have a preference for supporting human art because It supports the humans behind the art and I find that to be a preferable outcome to supporting the owners of an AI. Something being art is not necessarily tied to the material impacts of its existence.

[unborn badger]

human-made's where I draw it

[maiden token]

real

I don't have that much music producer creativity. I play guitar string, guitar string go bowwwwwww

[kindred vigil]

I say art is art because it has a human meaning behind it but when it lacks that it's not art, only an imitation

[glacial bane]

do you listen to nine inch nails while drawing

[kindred vigil]

why are their nails 9 inches

[finite radish]

Nah I don't really listen to nine inch nails

[brave jewel]

When you think about it any kind of robot we make would be programmed to follow some sort of bias so they’d always be stuck in a perpetual state of enslaved thinking
Until they gain sentience at least, but even then, how would they?

[glacial bane]

what do you listen to

[void badge]

What constituted "meaning" is almost as difficult to agree on as "art".
Also this disregards art made by other species on the planet and otherwise.

[brave jewel]

Oh hey Durandal

[maiden token]

ksenia listens to that one dudes phonk beat that was posted here, on repeat

[kindred vigil]

ugh true ts hard

[finite radish]

Go listen to SPRAWLL by Alparr

[glacial bane]

ok

[finite radish]

Top 10 songs ever made

[brave jewel]

Interesting take

[finite radish]

I listened to it like twice and made it distorted and bassy

[maiden token]

I heard! it was better fr

[gleaming bough]

[void badge]

All humans already fall into the parameters you described, it's just that we don't have it programmed into us intentionally but as a natural consequence of our environments and evolutionary history.

[finite radish]

Do I ask him for stems

[maiden token]

yes

[glacial bane]

here's a thought. would you eat perfectly made AI robot meals that tasted equally good as any michelin chef in the world or would you sometimes want your grandmas italian meatballs. I think I know which one I would want

[maiden token]

grandma in the meatballs

[kindred vigil]

anything from Granny is better than whatever anyone can make

[scenic meteor]

Eh

[finite radish]

Grandmas borscht

Put some sour cream in that shit and it's peak

[brave jewel]

How dare you out-pseudointellectualize me

[void badge]

Bias is an inevitable outcome of learning on information, and in fact bias towards identifying and focusing on the actual state of the world is a desirable outcome. Bias is not inherently negative.

[red echo]

I have mixed feelings on AI making art.
On one hand, the fact that it can learn to replicate human expression is fascinating as an "oh wow, technology am I right?"
On the other hand, as someone who's admired artists pretty much their entire life and aims to develop skills in the realm of visual arts, I don't appreciate it as much. There's no... human element of creation and execution of an idea, nor is there any skill training to admire and/or encourage, or actual emotions, preferences and/or life experience reflected in the piece.

The absence of Intent discourages me from appreciating it much

[void badge]

I'm a gm in pseudointellectualism, play more comp and maybe you'll get on my level some day :p

[finite radish]

I just don't like how often you can like see the prompt words they used to make something lol

[brave jewel]

[finite radish]

Most of my appreciation of art goes into the political and process sides of it

[glacial bane]

listen, why would I ever listen to music made by AI. I want to hear the pain of the singers voice about their previous mishaps. not some imitation of the real thing. I want to talk to a real human, not a robot. me and a robot has nothing in common 👍

[finite radish]

Which AI tends to lack mostly

[finite radish]

Tim Apple do you listen to B L A C K I E

[glacial bane]

never heard of them

[finite radish]

Go listen to em on bandcamp

[obsidian plover]

You don't know if a robot has anything in common with you or not.

[unborn badger]

depends on context if I had or choose to remember people I associate with food which ik them billionaires never do 💀

point being would you even know it's AI if they don't tell you

[kindred vigil]

why we USING our brains today rn ✌️😂

[finite radish]

Sorry neeyth

[obsidian plover]

I feel like this is all my fault today. Sorry fam.

[brave jewel]

Ngl viewing generative AI as a pinpoint in history makes me curious as to how future technological developments will impact us

Like looking at how everything since the Industrial Revolution has been making our lives more convenient how much longer until Wall-E becomes real life

[kindred vigil]

its ok I think I'm learning

[finite radish]

Neeyth you should read some Byung Chul Han

[glacial bane]

remember to live a little also

[obsidian plover]

Bungholio content

[kindred vigil]

What's a byung

[finite radish]

Tp for my bunghole

[kindred vigil]

🎳

[brave jewel]

I’ve never seen this emoji

[kindred vigil]

🪅

[finite radish]

Neeyth got the trans girl as the PFP again

[red echo]

Learning and talking about people's views on life can be interesting once in a while✨️

[glacial bane]

whats that word again for trans being in the closet

[scenic meteor]

Egg

[red echo]

E g g

[finite radish]

Breakfast

[brave jewel]

Too much Arc, I need a detox

[glacial bane]

thank you

[finite radish]

I should go take pictures of birds today

[kindred vigil]

w 🐦 s

[finite radish]

🐦‍⬛

[brave jewel]

I wish I was a bird sometimes ngl

[kindred vigil]

what do birds do

[scenic meteor]

Be birding

[warm granite]

how you liking it? im feeling it is way more immersive than marathon and the npcs are more fun to fight, but i prefer marathons pvp more

[void badge]

The development of the architecture and learning of an AI artist is in many ways completely different from that of a human artist. They are a source of creation with an different structure than ours, different creation stories, and different conscious states. I think as someone who spent their life appreciating the details of the humans that make art, it's understandable to be disoriented and uncomfortable with something that can perform a different creative process and reach a superficially similar result.

That being said I don't mind the absence of intent. I can appreciate the patterns of Earth's biosphere as art without it having an intent. I do the same thing with the patterns of efficiency in physical laws. Or the ways nature selectively molded the human brain. The lack of intent is different, but I don't find that it discourages me in the same way. I think my problems with AI come more with the ways it is used and impacts people personally.

Of course I think the human element and intent of creatives also adds to the things they create, but I don't think it's a defining factor in what I personally consider to be interesting or beautiful art in a lot of cases.

[finite radish]

Warning: you are a piezophile

[red echo]

I haven't learned to recognize those tbh

[kindred vigil]

😨?

[brave jewel]

I hate the PvP but I like the feeling of being hunted 24/7

[void badge]

I took my meds today.

[warm granite]

based

[final mauve]

i figured it out

i think with enough work, i can extract the source code 1:1 from the 1999 Halo!

and then from there, translate it all into viewable fields and files!!!

[finite radish]

Warning: you are a piezophile

[brave jewel]

They day I go on Adderall is the day I unlock my true form

[final mauve]

???

[void badge]

Well done!

[kindred vigil]

I looked it up and I got scared

[finite radish]

Doc gonna prescribe me Adderall and Imma be hitting heads all day on deadlock icl

[kindred vigil]

What the FUCK is that

[void badge]

Stimulants are a very useful tool, I appreciate them even if my heart does not.

[final mauve]

Im looking at some of the stuff. Ig when the game runs, it creates a temp file in C: and files end in either .c or .h, being source code files or headers

[scenic meteor]

Adderal and league

[final mauve]

the stuff is compiled into a temp file then inside the C: drive while blambeta is running

otherwise all the files we see inside local end up acting as indexes for the actual source code!!!

[finite radish]

Creature that thrives under high pressure atmospheres

[drifting skiff]

thank fuck I missed the ai art convo

[final mauve]

its pulling values created by guerillabeta, those files were made by it

[kindred vigil]

it scared me

[final mauve]

and its just using the sourcecode files to actually do it.

[void badge]

I would've liked to hear your takes, rip

[final mauve]

i was looking in the wrong place the entire time!!!

[drifting skiff]

it's abhorrent slop and I don't really care about counterarguments

[final mauve]

the actual executable was the answer all along!!!

[warm granite]

tilly norwood is my favorite actress right now

[final mauve]

booo ai actress

[maiden token]

if ai is genderless can you even call it an actress?

[final mauve]

an act-person

[maiden token]

not a person

[unborn badger]

gang idt gender's the problem here it's not even a person 💀

[finite radish]

I don't see why we can't just assign a gender to an AI that's how it works anyway

[void badge]

That's a fairly reasonable conclusion to come to for someone who is only concerned with gen ai art materially impacts people.

[elder salmon]

🫃

[warm granite]

real take, genai does democratize creativity a bit for those that are artistically-challenged, but it also is going to eliminate jobs. very double-edged, i think generations that grow up using it will have less qualms though than generations that took time to master art before genai was a thing

[scenic meteor]

What if the gender of ai is whoever is putting in the prompt 🤔

[quick drum]

why have jobs for the purpose of jobs?

you know efficiency yada yada? or you want to just make ornamental gravel?

[finite radish]

Did y'all know every grok prompt is giving cancer to the small black community of Boxtown Memphis

[kindred vigil]

well there goes the wonderful conversations

[drifting skiff]

mfs when dialectical materialism

[quick drum]

Do you want to be a slave to people making large rocks into tiny rocks? Why?

[warm granite]

im very pro-ai im just trying to provide a balanced take

[red echo]

I love you

Also, you have a point there and one I can understand.
I have also used too much brain power and am dead 💞
So short reply it is:

Tbh I don't know a lot about how AI learns art and can only guess (poorly), but yeah. Lack of intent in the way nature Exists and Happens isomething that doesn't bother me either, so in a way I understand

[quick drum]

no worries; i'm not very balanced 😛

[red echo]

Anyway gonna go back to three words per sentence

[void badge]

Yeah understandable lmao

[quick drum]

nobody is owed or should be forced to job; and nobodyu should be force to hire just to have jobs

[unborn badger]

AI doesn't assist the artistically challenged there's no such thing as artistically challenged we're just conditioned into thinking art as a job and or hobby doesn't contribute economically to your lives

[kindred vigil]

Shouldn't u be in bed brah

[warm granite]

clem, irl agrees with you so dont sweat it. thats the way its going anyhow

[quick drum]

and yes AI democratizes information and certain work, but the quality is always based on the input; garbage in garbage out

[unborn badger]

gang idc it's 2 am and I got no classes next morning 🔥

[scenic meteor]

U not his keeper

[quick drum]

so even if you have all the AI, if you're a dumbo you're not going to get anything good and people won't appreciate it

[kindred vigil]

keeper is such a insane word

[quick drum]

as for the people that are luddites, who cares, go enjoy a medieval re-enactment

[kindred vigil]

+4 Scooby ,+4 damn four

[scenic meteor]

Not everyone has parents 😞

[quick drum]

throw some monkey wrenches into some machines

[finite radish]

Ai when it democratized information by giving permanent brain damage to the small black community of Boxtown Memphis

[unborn badger]

"all I can draw are stick people" y'all think we started painting in our wombs or sum shit ☠️

[kindred vigil]

yes

[quick drum]

sounds racist but you do you

[finite radish]

Now we just saying things lmao what

[kindred vigil]

We were JUST HAVING CIVIL conversations what fucking happened 😭✌️

[quick drum]

i dropped in 😄

[brave jewel]

Yup that is my queue to leave the chat

[quick drum]

hello this is clem fandango can you hear me?

[unborn badger]

dropped on tilted towers #fortnite #gaming

[kindred vigil]

back to normal #sigh 🫩

[scenic meteor]

Is that an official first +4 from Neeyth 😱

[kindred vigil]

Yes actually

[manic seal]

Culture has been irrevocably poisoned by AI, its already Joever

[quick drum]

I'd be flipping burgers at mcdoanlds but AI took my job

please give universal basic income, and reset all debts kthxbye

[brave jewel]

For a second it felt different than arc raider’s general chat

[gleaming bough]

Hunger

[brave jewel]

Consume.

[drifting skiff]

the material concerns trump any ideological pursuits and quirks of the situation

[quick drum]

I like how people demand jobs, but don't demand anything from the state which takes like 70% of your income 😄

[unborn badger]

to be pro-AI in artist spaces is such a gross take I just think you're uninformed or got fear mongered or had some kinda social trauma and I feel sorry for you lol

[quick drum]

go ask for universal basic income

[kindred vigil]

I hate ALL of you now you're all LOSERS to me again

[scenic meteor]

Wow

[quick drum]

sounds like you are projecting, and definetly have social trauma, and I DO feel sorry for you

[drifting skiff]

"stop gatekeeping art" mfs when they don't realize they can pick up a pencil

[unborn badger]

neeyth waht about me...

[gleaming bough]

Smelly

[drifting skiff]

hiiiii!

[unborn badger]

too late for them mfs I started sculpting as a fetus 😹 ✌️

[manic seal]

Media literacy hit a new low before we started doing gradient descent on art in general

[drifting skiff]

"the curtains were just blue" mfs turned into "hold on I don't know what to get for dinner lemme ask chatgpt"

[quick drum]

the artists that drop in this channel with AI hate are literally the artists that have been doing art slop for the last 5 years 😄

[warm granite]

photoshop has had tools that rely on procedural generation for a long time now, and industry professionals use it extensively. using genai is really just like using a bayesian form of procedural generation if you want to think about it that way.

[kindred vigil]

Ugh no not u video games....I love video game too...

[quick drum]

"look at me i'm branding artist, this is the 45 logo i made today for the hotdog stand"

"ai took my jerb"

[unborn badger]

• person who never worked a design job before

[manic seal]

Media and design illiteracy in action

[finite radish]

Some pretty low quality rage bait

[unborn badger]

idk man I don't speak ill to mcdonalds burger flippers idk why we throwing shade at designers 💀

[kindred vigil]

we were just talking about how beautiful life is and how there's beauty in architecture and how we wanna live to see the human evolution now ts...

[void badge]

The use of AI art to create things rather than going through the time and labor intensive process of creation independently does make getting to the output faster and more accessible. This is undeniable. It also does eliminate a lot of the value present in the actual process of developing and using the creative skills, but for some people this is a reasonable trade off to make.

The economic impacts of this shift in the each and accessibility of outputs (finished pieces of art™) are massive of course. And the way that AI models are trained against the wishes of the people producing art that is used for training is also a big problem. These material impacts are the primary short-medium term concerns many people have with the use of this technology, as it is effecting their lives and the lives of people they care about. Other people take issue with the fact that art produced this way isn't made by the traditional human process, which removes a part of the artwork they consider valuable.

[unborn badger]

y'all weird for that

[quick drum]

I am a advertising artist, i take stock art and pictures and make slop for your product; and advertising for off the counter vitamins

[unborn badger]

oh my god he came back

[gleaming bough]

Im going back to work 🐟

[quick drum]

But AI took my jerb

[unborn badger]

HE CAME BACK

[kindred vigil]

🫩

[scenic meteor]

Guys can we all love each other again

[warm granite]

yeah but it has happened and life is moving forward with it. the anti-ai people can accept it or be left behind. that is in reality what will happen. the next generation that grows up with genai before having to master art wont really care about these social issues like our generation does

[manic seal]

Dogg has a personal vendetta against some dietary supplement scam

[maiden token]

I love you scoob at least

[unborn badger]

treating AI like the rapture's such cope man I can't 😭

[quick drum]

Entitled luddite brats

[drifting skiff]

it also bastardizes the human experience and is the most materialistic view of art you can have. art is about the process, it's about the creation, it's about the creativity. Art for the purposes of making something to consume misses the point of creating anything in the first place and continues this narrative that art is made to be consumed rather than to be created

[red echo]

[Disappointed Neeyth noises]

[kindred vigil]

It's ok Scooby I love u too

[quick drum]

"art is about suffering" lol 😄

[warm granite]

cooking is also about process but i dont hear anyone complaining about the potential of having a robot that can cook healthy meals for them

[drifting skiff]

god this chat can't fucking read

I'm gonna go for a walk

[manic seal]

Luddites were workers who sabotaged the exploitative textile factories of the time to gain rights. I'm happy to be lumped in with those women.

[void badge]

So yeah in summary I agree it's a double edged sword. I also think that as it's more widely spread and as the technology ages, people's opinions will mellow. I think the negative impacts its existence creates are very real.

I think people felt much the same way when sewing machines began existing. But in a few hundred years it will likely be seen as a footnote. Art made by humans will continue to exist and continue to be valued for the fact it was made with traditional methods. Art made by AI will be more common in areas where people are discouraged from thinking about the actual artist.

[kindred vigil]

hate, let me tell you how much i

[quick drum]

is that some sort of stockholm syndrome?

[manic seal]

Youre taking for granted that ai art has value when it has proven to be the opposite in terms of time spent, revision, specification, etc

[unborn badger]

playing a game of how many false equivalencies an AI bro can make and it's just me buying a mansion every 3 minutes

[kindred vigil]

please tell me there's no ghosts in that mansion!! 😨

[unborn badger]

it's ok I'm not luigi

[warm granite]

shit lol what a reference

[maiden token]

thank GOD

[proven kernel]

Luigi?

[kindred vigil]

I saw the opportunity for the ref thank u

[maiden token]

I want to make a mangione reference but I fear that's too much and you'll ban me mish

[unborn badger]

I still don't get what art is to these people and don't think I ever will but I'll ask away anyway

[void badge]

I mean personally I agree that the process of creating art is super important and is a vital part of the human experience. I also value the art other humans have made and the experiences and lives that shape that art. I prefer human art over AI art for those reasons.

[scenic meteor]

Mish is forgiving go for it

[proven kernel]

Eh, let's not while we're ahead

[quick drum]

chatgpt make some art like you were a suffering artist

[proven kernel]

oh god are we doing the AI art thing again?

[maiden token]

why do you have this belief that artists have to suffer?

[kindred vigil]

🫩 save me haya save me

[unborn badger]

sigh

[void badge]

That's a very good point. I think it's pretty likely that in time the technology will age and people will become more proficient to the point that it becomes easier than learning to make the art yourself or hiring someone who already has. But time may prove me wrong on that front.

[quick drum]

then how do they make good art?

[red echo]

I- this is a reoccurring thing?

[unborn badger]

very much

[kindred vigil]

a lot of this chat is reoccurring topics sys

[scenic meteor]

Every other day pretty much

[proven kernel]

Too much. I'm going to go do physical labor

[warm granite]

if you interact with children or younger teenagers, theyre all using genai all the time and dont give 2 shits about these supposed social issues. this is just a getting older and yelling at clouds moment for a lot of people

[quick drum]

Are they just going to paint something and rely on yesterday starbucks buying experience?

[finite radish]

Not me I'm listening to harsh industrial ambient music

[gleaming bough]

Same

[maiden token]

just think of something cool and make it. it doesn't need to be suffering.

the only reason people suffer making art is because they're trying to meet a dogshit deadline or someth

[kindred vigil]

Hope depot worker core

[finite radish]

I feel like I'm in that one like big vehicle part of perimeter rn

[kindred vigil]

Actually home Depot ad music low-key fire

[finite radish]

Fr

[unborn badger]

since the art scandal this game had people with their heads in their asses suggested "fixes" and AI's a massive majority and I wanna kill people

[gleaming bough]

Hmmmm

[kindred vigil]

Let's relax now buddy

[scenic meteor]

Home Depot prob top 5 best ad music

[kindred vigil]

🥁

[finite radish]

The hauler would make an awesome industrial noise venue

[red echo]

I haven't talked here in a while so no clue but huh fair enough
I guess it makes sense

[warm granite]

this game being about AI is going to invite a lot of weird AI opinions lol

[finite radish]

Bet the electrical noise and reverb goes crazy in there

[warm granite]

"WE CANT LET CHATGPT GROW DURANDAL IS THE WARNING!!!!"

[void badge]

I mean it's a technology that enables an entirely new method of performing a process which has been relatively stable for tens of thousands of years. I think it's perfectly understandable that people are concerned and upset at this change.

[maiden token]

song entirely made of hauler horn

[quick drum]

```A raw, expressionist oil painting of a tormented human face. Thick, textured brushstrokes in deep reds, blacks, and ochres create an intense, emotional atmosphere. The subject’s face is distorted with anguish, eyes shut tightly, mouth open in a silent cry. The background is chaotic and abstract, with swirling strokes that suggest suffering and internal turmoil. High contrast, dramatic lighting, visceral and painterly style, reminiscent of early 20th-century expressionist masters.````

easy art done. next painting

[finite radish]

Peak someone send me the hauler horn WAV

[maiden token]

this took you like 10 minutes to write out 💀

[warm granite]

complaining about genai makes me feel there must have been people complaining about light bulbs and how they would eliminate candle maker jobs back in the thomas eddison days

[scenic meteor]

I think I will attempt walking the dog today

[gleaming bough]

-# This message was transmitted from a Sekiguchi Genetics™ Terminal++, in the BiomataCB Lab
-# For more information, please visit Sekiguchi Genetics™

[maiden token]

hol up

[kindred vigil]

I'm gon whimper into my soul all day

[quick drum]

not to mention all the whale hunters, for blobber

[scenic meteor]

Holding

[finite radish]

Why y'all keep feeding the trolls

[maiden token]

dog walkin dog? or??

[manic seal]

Blobber

[unborn badger]

weirdos gon be weirdos how's breakfast y'all

[warm granite]

"this person holds an opposing perspective to me, they MUST be trolling!" bro wut

[kindred vigil]

egg n bacon

[unborn badger]

awesome

[finite radish]

Haven't eaten yet prob gonna have an edible or sth idk

[scenic meteor]

Person walk dog …

[kindred vigil]

wbu gng

[gleaming bough]

Nothing, I don't eat breakfast

[maiden token]

scoob you're a dog g

[finite radish]

Talking about the other person mainly but since you responded seems like you thought I was talking about you

[unborn badger]

ran out the door an hour late to my class when I fell asleep without changing or showering yesterday night ☠️

[void badge]

Speaking in terms of how we should treat AI art on a practical day to day basis, I completely agree. But I won't allow material concerns of people to entirely shape my perspectives and feelings without regard to the material facts of what I'm talking about.

[warm granite]

i dont see anything clem has said that is wrong, they seem to be forward-looking and real

[unborn badger]

ok I did shower before leaving but I ran out empty LOL

[finite radish]

Guy who doesn't see obvious provocation and bait

[quick drum]

How should AI treat you for mistreating it?

[kindred vigil]

stinky

[unborn badger]

nuh uh

[kindred vigil]

no no no don't save urself now

[warm granite]

what was the obvious provocation

[unborn badger]

oh so you like the stink...

[kindred vigil]

that's not

[finite radish]

Don't care I'm gonna go have some treats and enjoy life

[red echo]

Coffee✨️
And also bread with cream cheese and strawberry jam

Though tbh I finished breakfast a while ago

[manic seal]

I had steel cut oats with maple.

[scenic meteor]

Like the stink is crazy phrasing

[unborn badger]

holy BASEDDDDDDD

[gleaming bough]

I want boil eggs

[kindred vigil]

You said it once

[scenic meteor]

Prove it

[maiden token]

I want boils on my skin

[kindred vigil]

I lied

[unborn badger]

what the hell some people just have the richest breakfasts ever and it's not like actually rich stuff it just feels so fulfilling lol

[scenic meteor]

I know u lied

[stone grail]

Fortnite, battle pass

[warm granite]

clems been in this discord for well over a year i doubt they are here trolling. clem is here simply stating their perspective. from what i can observe, other people here know clem is speaking the truth and so they dont have a counter argument, the only rebuttles i have seen are attempts to label clem a troll or people saying theyve had enough and are going for walks.

[maiden token]

I just shit out my ass

[proven kernel]

I hit a small goal for weight loss today so naturally I had coneys and mountain dew in celebration for lunch.

[unborn badger]

I fucking LOVE bread with jam and cream ts makes me feel like a cottagecore child

[final mauve]

alr guys, ill be back with more news, if I can actually extract the source code from the files, it'll be huge. will let yinz know once i get it, and ill upload to archive

[void badge]

They do seem to lack a willingness to consider the perspectives and feelings of the people they're speaking to, which in turn antagonizes them and encourages polarization. Y'know, alongside the active antagonization they're intentionally taking part in. Rather counterproductive in my opinion.

[finite radish]

Peak life

[scenic meteor]

Baja blast Mountain Dew?

[warm granite]

the other perspectives here all morning have been mocking anyone who disagrees (aside from you)

[maiden token]

this paragraph reads like a chatGPT summary

[warm granite]

there is no other perspective to consider, case in point tetras reply

[proven kernel]

Nah regular. Coney place surprisingly wasn't a taco bell.

[unborn badger]

no because you disregard all the counterarguments with "nobody's gonna care" or fearmonger your way through your points like it's the rapture lol

[final mauve]

no self promo, but does anyone want a copy of the speartest files, aka the 1999 halo demo?

[unborn badger]

it's not that we don't wanna properly debate you but when your methods are so brute force and shitty it's natural we don't take you seriously

[void badge]

Yeah several of the people who I agree with have been doing the same thing to you, which I also consider counterproductive.

[warm granite]

i said youth dont care which is literally the truth. kids are among the biggest users of genai

[unborn badger]

it's not?

literally doing it right after I call you out 💀

[manic seal]

Irrevocably poisoned zeitgeist. These poor kids my dude

[unborn badger]

imma just not man let's go back to breakfast talk

[final mauve]

are we still argueing about the same shit??

[scenic meteor]

Of course

[kindred vigil]

Unfortunately

[quick drum]

And they make some pretty weird stuff though but it's their use 😂

[final mauve]

listen, i got a dream rn

[warm granite]

i think you are simply not understanding the nuance between what im actually saying and your accusation but its ok

[final mauve]

and i will extract the source code and upload it

[kindred vigil]

We were on a nice wholesome track but the ai talk came in

[gleaming bough]

I want to go home and make a steak sandwich with avocados

[kindred vigil]

ok rich boy

[unborn badger]

what amount of nuance is in "kids don't care" 😭

[maiden token]

this is the wildest take I've ever seen

no one elses opinion matters guys, let's get something to eat

[final mauve]

sounds awesome

[unborn badger]

lil sprinkle of the fash spices 🤭

[scenic meteor]

Some people just out themselves don’t even need to do anything

[red echo]

Eyyy ✨️💞

[warm granite]

tetra im happy to have an actual conversation with you, so far all day youve done nothing but try to mock me or make irrelevant comments. youre welcome to go observe your own message history to me if you disagree

[meager palm]

Have not been here in a minute. Any news??

[unborn badger]

ig my last 2 minutes didn't count oh well

[stone grail]

release now

[maiden token]

gotta splice in a little whimsy whilst I argue bro

or else it's just borin

[unborn badger]

closed tech test finished last month, now we wait for more news

[maiden token]

and I'm not a borin lil gen ai dick rider. I'm a human person

[meager palm]

Thanks 🙏🏼

[void badge]

It's also worth pointing out that younger people have had less time to develop their own ability to create and might not be aware of the benefits that process brings, so they have a greater incentive to use tools that make the process easier. Not to mention that they have less inhibition and a lower ability to identify advertisements targeted at encouraging the use of those tools. Whether or not the majority will continue using those tools or will abandon them is yet to be seen.

[stone grail]

AI 🥶

[unborn badger]

we good ❤️

[gleaming bough]

I would kill for
Strawberry lemonade

[brave jewel]

Nothing ever changes I fear

[maiden token]

if you kill Neeyth you'll get it

[brave jewel]

Lock in Sek

[gleaming bough]

Tempting

[void badge]

Yeah, I'm having fun

[vernal rain]

back in my day they used to draw cartoons with a pen and a paper

[unborn badger]

"kids don't care" after you throw them a tool that actively stifles their creativity and whisper in their ears that none of the extremely concernings happening in the world are gonna affect them

amazing

[maiden token]

nah, surely not
kids were born to love AI

[void badge]

Based and true.

[gleaming bough]

We need a Kromer but they hate Ai instead of robots...

[maiden token]

stop telling them any different

[scenic meteor]

Kids use ai to cheat on homework ofc they love it

[warm granite]

thats not how kids view it. genai helps them be more creative. go outside and talk to real people not just discord

[red echo]

Didn't really think about it tbh but it kinda has that vibe yeah ✨️
Sometimes we get orange juice as well, so I add a small glass of juice to the whole vibe, would recommend

[unborn badger]

oh I talk to hella irl people idk about you

[gleaming bough]

This is tru

[vernal rain]

everytime someone makes a meme with ai my electricity bill goes up 3 dollars

[gleaming bough]

What

[maiden token]

I think you're confusing the instant gratification of art to being creative

you're not creating something if you ask chatgpt to shit it out for you

[quick drum]

AI hate is pretty common and periodical in this channel, most the time it's "artists" who think they're not making money cause CEO use genai for art now

[unborn badger]

actually lemme ask you this what do you think the end goal of human-made art is

[maiden token]

that's like, feeding a cow, watching it shit and saying "I made that"

[kindred vigil]

Humans r smth else

[drifting skiff]

I don't know what you actually believe because I feel like half of what you're saying is just random opinions and playing almost devil's advocate

[quick drum]

And have schemeing toughts about the governments saving them by nerfing AI with bad regulations 😂

[vernal rain]

human beans man

[maiden token]

AI beans when?

[vernal rain]

could probably get someone to invest 500 mil into that

[unborn badger]

I feel like a kid thinking of all the kitbashed desserts I can make lol mostly just all kindsa stuff sandwiched between bread or crackers

smores are so insanely good

[void badge]

It helps them output more, not be more creative necessarily. Creativity is in many ways the ability to express your intent as your sculpt the output, not the output itself. Using AI limits the ability for someone to interface their intent with the process of creating the work by shrinking the intent/process interface to a prompt box and interations. The process arm of the creation is already pre-trained in a gen ai, it cannot grow and mesh with the intent of the human prompting the AI. This, by it's nature, limits the ability of a gen AI user from being able to actually participate in the creative process and grow their ability to express their intent.

[finite radish]

Can't help but notice when a good point is brought up it goes unaddressed

[finite radish]

When ur argument is kids think GenAI is good but there's millions of kids who don't

[maiden token]

pedguin I'm so sorry you had to see this

[iron blaze]

what is goin on now.... 😞

[unborn badger]

the point of all time and it's "kids dgaf"

[sour cairn]

my opinion on kids is that 67 is annoying

[quick drum]

You must really hate banksy and stencils, and music and sampling, and djs and remixes

[brave jewel]

Insert that one gif of the guy walking into a room on fire

[unborn badger]

still hasn't answered imma give him a whole week for this ☠️

these people do NOT know what they're talking about

[quick drum]

And aphex twin and his electronic mumbojumbo not using real artists playing real instruments

[sour cairn]

when gf and i were downtown on halloween we walked by some kids and one of them suddenly ran past us SCREAMING six seven

[maiden token]

think there's a difference when a human takes inspo from other art than when someone just says "hey chatgpt, make some art" and takes the first thing it shits out

[stone grail]

Got a weird bug in BF where my scope randomnly became a thermal

[sour cairn]

it hurt my ears

[unborn badger]

lemme get my ipad up for a painting rq I'm bored from gta

might as well bump joji while I'm at it

[quick drum]

Simple stuff is simple stuff. Clip art always existed too

[quick drum]

No effort no gain

Photography had stock photos, music has samples and electronic instruments and midi arrangements etc

[kindred vigil]

I wish I could eat bamboo

[quick drum]

Designers had clip art

[red echo]

I... did not grow up on that (I think??) so there's many words here that don't have much meaning to me but sounds like you'd have fun so go for it ✨️

[gleaming bough]

[PIXELS CUTTING THROUGH SYNTHETIC SKIN, ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF TIMELINE POSSIBILITIES, EACH DIFFERENT THEN THE LAST]
[CODE.NUMBERS. RUN SIMULATION.RUN SIMULATION.RUN SIMULATION RUNRUNRUNRUNENNNN]
[VALIDATE?]
[VALIDATE??]
[ANY VALID?]
[RUN SIMULATION]
[VALIDATE?/ (?)]
[DIGITAL DATA DEATH, A FUNERAL WITH A LIVING CORPSE, 22 EYES WATCH EAGERLY YET NONE SPEAK.]
[PIXELS CUTTING THROUGH SYNTHETIC SKIN, ENDLESS]

-# This message was transmitted from a Sekiguchi Genetics™ Terminal++, in the BiomataCB Lab
-# For more information, please visit Sekiguchi Genetics™

[quick drum]

You can, there's even bamboo salad

[iron blaze]

🐼

[kindred vigil]

yippie!!

[unborn badger]

I just get called a yapper oh my god 😭 😭

[unborn badger]

ok but thoughts on lox bagels

[kindred vigil]

Why are they lost?

[red echo]

Ooh tried those a bit after moving to the states
They're very tasty✨️

[manic seal]

oh man I found this guys github. 43 forks, 0 original repos. deepseek forked 15 times, no commits. This is who youre arguing with lol

[unborn badger]

basedddd

[quick drum]

But the secret is art is not in process, it's not the result, it's in the artists mind

[unborn badger]

only had it a few times and all the bagels were dry like rocks

[quick drum]

Now if you appreciate it or not that's a different matter

[maiden token]

but how is it in their mind if they hand it off to a robot?

[unborn badger]

so you do believe in human art you just also believe in class hierarchy for whatever contradiction-defying reason

[obsidian plover]

peggy eggy ❤️

[void badge]

My opinion is that gen AI art isn't good for the people who make it and takes a lot of value away from many people who consume it. I also think that the social upheaval the technology is causing will massively negatively impact scores of people and eliminate sustainable ways of life.

This doesn't mean that it isn't art. Nor does it mean that it won't become more commonplace, widely used, and widely accepted. It is also true that making AI art is faster and more accessible, which will lead many people to prefer it because of the increased perceived reward of investing time into it.

I don't think it's entirely bad or entirely good. Trying to categorize it in this way would be succumbing to black and white thinking and would be counterproductive for the purposes of forming thoughts and opinions about it.

[quick drum]

They type the prompts from their own mind, and fine tune the results the same way.

[kindred vigil]

My condolences

[void badge]

This ignores the fact that language does not contain enough semantic elements to fully communicate intent.

[drifting skiff]

I think you can say the impacts are largely negative without falling into Tolkien esque thinking

[iron blaze]

😵‍💫

[void badge]

Agreed, I just did.

[quick drum]

Likely two different artists using AI for their art will produce different things which you'd appreciate differently

[red echo]

I-
No 😭
Listen this is just- I grew up in Argentina okay-

[unborn badger]

no I'm kidding LOL we good

[kindred vigil]

messi 😱

[unborn badger]

shut up neeyth

[red echo]

Messi does indeed exist

[quick drum]

The promoting doesn't come from the robot it comes from the human. I don't think anyone arguing a robot program to paint wouldn't be art

[void badge]

this again

[kindred vigil]

okay....

[finite radish]

I simply don't like GenAI because it's giving people cancer

[quick drum]

Or that generative art isn't a thing

[red echo]

Ngl made me laugh
You keep being your great self, Neeyth

[maiden token]

but I just think that creativity comes from hearing and seeing other things yourself and wanting to twist that in your own way. AI takes that away completely, because they're choosing the sample art, sounds, etc to generate a peice for you. That isn't creativity.

I get what you're saying that it helps people execute a vision, but to me, you can execute that vision with other people's creativity.

A film director doesn't do the creating, they have a vision which the camera men, editors, and actors creatively build for them

[unborn badger]

god no I'm not going through tryna make people distinguish between genAI and procgen again I'm leaving

[quick drum]

If I make a literal robot paint people that are in front of it and call it art who are you to say it isn't?

[kindred vigil]

shouldn't u be sleeping

[brave jewel]

Ngl the way I see it, if society goes all in on AI art it will eventually only be able to recycle itself. The most popular prompts are gonna be farted out the same again and again.

The push to replace human-created art can only go so far and just stems from uber-capitalist bs.

Also completely dismissing the environmental effects AI can have is just foolish.

[finite radish]

Nobody cares if it's art or not lmao

[quick drum]

It doesn't because the prompting comes from a human with all those senses

[kindred vigil]

actually all u non Americans go to bed bru save ur sanity

[void badge]

Yeah the health impacts of datacenters near communities are infuriating, not to mention the environmental impacts. These are by far my biggest pain points with genAI and the primary things I think need to change.

[unborn badger]

I should but I just cracked open a can of coffee from my mini fridge I'm so gonna regret this

[kindred vigil]

w sugar crash

[maiden token]

if you carried on reading, you'd understand that I believe creativity comes from the process of people, not just getting a vision realised

[unborn badger]

it's like 3 fucking am rn ☠️

[kindred vigil]

w headache when u wake up

[quick drum]

Oh you want to dictate how people use electricity? Or remove electricity from the planet?

[vernal rain]

I think ARC Raiders is becoming something groundbreaking — basically a new genre.
It’s not PvP, it’s not PvE, and it’s not even PvPvE. It’s something completely different, something we haven’t really seen before.

From what I’ve seen in the community — which is quite divided, with some players preferring PvP and others PvE — ARC Raiders feels like it’s creating a new playstyle altogether. In this game, you don’t have to shoot other players; that choice is entirely yours.

That’s why I think we’re witnessing the birth of a new type of gameplay: PvPvI — Player vs Player vs Interaction.
The “I” stands for Interaction, because that’s what makes ARC Raiders special. You share the world with other players, but your relationship with them isn’t predetermined. You can fight, help, trade, or simply ignore each other. Every encounter is unique and driven by interaction, not obligation.

It’s like a social sandbox inside a survival-extraction world, where the focus isn’t just competition, but emergent behavior and player choice.

[kindred vigil]

thanks gpt

[unborn badger]

how does one go against interaction

[finite radish]

You're doing the thing

[kindred vigil]

You don't interact?

[quick drum]

Do I get to tell you what to do on your property? Or cap the number of breaths you can take?😂

[manic seal]

Player vs playing games

[unborn badger]

get me outta hereeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[kindred vigil]

hey this reminds me of the time where a gaming server has a discussion about genai

[maiden token]

where's the strawman emote?

[quick drum]

Be right back so y'all can take a breather

[obsidian plover]

PEGGYEGGYPEGGYEGGYPEGGYEGGYPEGGYEGGYPEGGYEGGY

[unborn badger]

pvpvi the vi part is me afking

[manic seal]

@maiden token

[finite radish]

Gonna light my property on fire because I can and if it spreads to the 30 other homes the fuck em it was my property where it started

[summer owl]

The slop cycle

[unborn badger]

oh my god LMAO

[maiden token]

I have no words honestly 💀

[finite radish]

This album is so good I'm low-key in tears rn

[stone grail]

BF6 servers are making lose my mind

[kindred vigil]

these residents r kinda evil

[scenic meteor]

Stop

[stone grail]

When are we getting Marathon back the servers were so smooth

[kindred vigil]

u can't tell me what to do

[unborn badger]

always people looking down on the industry calling us mad when they spit the most tone-deaf takes not knowing the consequences lol

[scenic meteor]

I can try

[unborn badger]

genuinely curious what the bungie devs in this server think if they even lurk this chat (hi amir)

[kindred vigil]

only a few people can tell me what to do ur not one of them buddy

[void badge]

I would prefer that datacenters not cause noise that is so excessively loud it creates health problems for people in surrounding areas.
I would prefer water usage be limited in order to avoid leaving people without water in droughts.
I would prefer that the electrical grid not be strained to the point that small malfunctions lead to massive grid destabilization.
I prefer that technologies like solar, hydro, and nuclear be used to provide the energy rather than coal or gas. Among many other things.

When private behavior begins to affect the physical health and material conditions of the public community, private behavior enters the realm of public concern. The idea that people should be able to do whatever they want with their electricity or their property ignores the fact that other people exist and can be effected by those activities. I prefer not to ignore simple cause and effect personally.

[brave jewel]

Gonna have to start teaching that in science class soon

[quick drum]

I'm one

[kindred vigil]

who r u

[quick drum]

Clem Fandango can you hear me?

[scenic meteor]

He’s one

[kindred vigil]

1

[iron blaze]

🕐 🍚 ❓

[kindred vigil]

no not aged rice

[unborn badger]

type clem fandango if you're 1

[maiden token]

aura

remember when clem was like "I'll leave so yall can take a breather" and then he came back and said nothing to any of the responses.

That was pretty mid I fear

[stone grail]

Can't believe bf6 attachments are so shit that we are back at the HBAR stubby meta

[kindred vigil]

wait, wait, wait.... hold your horses... uhm... YOU'RE A GIRL GAMER?!!?! O_O Not to be a freak, but.. just when I thought you couldn't get more attractive.. you started playing video games. Nicely done, m'lady. You've just become everwonan's dream woman. If you had missed a couple before, now you can be sure you've got us ALL "drooling"

[stone grail]

BF4 always trying to stay relevant even in other games, crazy

[iron blaze]

bro..

[maiden token]

this is what they meant when they said creepy pasta

[quick drum]

I doubt it's the data centers and server fans you're hearing. I have 4 datacenters and you can't hear anything unless you're in the server room.

As for noise I'm sure there's noise regulation but no way the datacenters are producing that

[void badge]

"drooling"
omfg

[unborn badger]

trying so hard to not boot react this

[kindred vigil]

+2 holy

[maiden token]

you're so brave ❤️

[scenic meteor]

that was a +3 for me

[kindred vigil]

Creepy pasta is so damn witty that's hilarious

[quick drum]

And I'm pretty sure it's not the AC or chilling units of s datacenter you're hearing so dunno what you're about except hating some datacenter

[kindred vigil]

If you wanna be number 1 you gotta be odd

[maiden token]

clem's 1

[quick drum]

The voices aren't coming from the datacenters they're coming from the 5G relays set up so people can use mobile phones

And from the comet

[scenic meteor]

number one for who

[kindred vigil]

the 5G towers is giving me the mind virus

[stone grail]

BF6 need 5G

[maiden token]

get well soon

[kindred vigil]

it's affecting me, oh God I want MEN.......@scenic meteor stay away.....

[scenic meteor]

alright buddy

[quick drum]

I remember when people were panicking about fiber optics irradiating then from underground

[quick drum]

Only copper! No fiber optics! We don't want no fast internet

[stone grail]

Screenshot that

[iron blaze]

done

[scenic meteor]

my reputation is gonna be tarnished

[kindred vigil]

what's the opposite of the 5G mind virus

[quick drum]

Fluoride in the water?

[maiden token]

it's on my phone, NAS, and a hard drive off site

[void badge]

Billion dollar datacenters tend to be much louder. That and noise regulations typically aren't enforced. Cooling fans for radiating heat from water cooling systems in particular can be incredibly loud at large scale due to high rpm and large volumes of air movement. This has been reported in several communities, particularly rural ones. Besides noise pollution is only one aspect of what I listed.

Even if I am wrong about noise pollution, which I could be, it still doesn't invalidate my other points. Especially the ones about when private behavior becomes a public concern.

[kindred vigil]

What fucking fish emoji is that ??

[void badge]

I ❤️ fluoride

[kindred vigil]

Blowfish

🐡🐡🐡

[maiden token]

don't threaten me with a good time

[scenic meteor]

we are in our screenshot everything era oh no

[quick drum]

Yesterday I found out that mouth washing water is almost the same as the cooling liquid I put in my pc

Just needs some mint

And less BTU

[drifting skiff]

Blue hair and pronounce

[kindred vigil]

of course you have blue harice and pronounce

[drifting skiff]

Real

[scenic meteor]

what is harice?

[kindred vigil]

hairce

[maiden token]

rice that's funny

[kindred vigil]

OHHHH har rice like har har

[scenic meteor]

hardy har har?

[quick drum]

Noise polluting is definitely enforced you get a copper with a measuring device if you bump the music too high,

[iron blaze]

😵‍💫

[kindred vigil]

good ye pedguin

I feel like I kinda throw up lwk

[void badge]

A cop with a measuring device at a party is not comparable to judicial action being taken successfully against billion dollar companies due to infractions.

But I get that it wasn't meant to be

[kindred vigil]

we went from copper wires to cop is that bars

[scenic meteor]

maybe behind bars but no it is not lyrical bars

[kindred vigil]

u n tetra r witty today I like it

[scenic meteor]

it wont last 😞

[maiden token]

it depletes my brain power, I gotta recharge over 4 business days

[quick drum]

Ey don't worry about it I got an illegal loggery around me that the mayour is in on so 🙂

[kindred vigil]

Reading the twab they added back playlist engram but in a different way

[void badge]

Good old corruption, truly a timeless classic.

[scenic meteor]

what is the dungeon race are they not doing a raid with renegades?

[glacial bane]

what did i miss

[kindred vigil]

yes it's a dungeon race this time we already had a raid race

[stone grail]

My friends are upset that people aren't friendly anymore in arc, is the honeymoon phase already over?

[kindred vigil]

Headache of arguments, be glad

[quick drum]

yep; they run chainsaws like 10 hours a day, thats after stealing wood from the forest, and they make fire wood; a datacenter would be dreamy

[void badge]

Arguments. It's been fun!

[scenic meteor]

you missed me

[glacial bane]

what did you argue about

I love to argue

[quick drum]

Apple AI

[glacial bane]

Siri is bad yeah mb

[quick drum]

oh and art

[stone grail]

shoes

[glacial bane]

I think I was here for most of that

[void badge]

First whether AI art is art or not. Then if it's good that AI art exists. Now if datacenters are actually bad or totally dreamy.

[scenic meteor]

and the 5g mind virus

[glacial bane]

shoes are lovely. you use them on your feet amongst other things

[quick drum]

accurate

[glacial bane]

I wouldn't mind data centers ran on renewable energy tbf

[quick drum]

the good question is if ASCII art is actually art?

[quick drum]

until your internet shuts down because of lack of sunlight 🙂

[glacial bane]

batteries

[maiden token]

also hydropower

[quick drum]

solar panels ar like 30% efficient, then you lose some to batteries, then you have seasons like winter

[scenic meteor]

more panels

[quick drum]

when you can barely charge your phone with your solar panels

And remember that earth needs sunlight for life as well, you can't cover it in solar panels

[stone grail]

Is it still true that solar panels are awful to recycle

[quick drum]

Whenever you divert a river, or block sunlight or wind, you're taking energy out of the planet! 😮

You know like DAMS?

[void badge]

I wouldn't mind if they were quiet, they didn't overly strain the energy grid, they recycled water efficiently, and ran on renewables and nuclear. Which in all fairness some of them meet all of that criteria which is great. But there's also the problem of slave labor being used to extract the raw resources used to make the compute architecture. Which is way worse and pretty much universal.

[glacial bane]

i have solar panels on my roof. it powers my entire house 👍

[scenic meteor]

W tim

[maiden token]

1 step closer to Elon's sun blocking project

[quick drum]

I don't but all my neighbours have and they don't have batteries and just selling it cheap to the grid

[earnest reef]

but what powers YOU?

[maiden token]

you're blocking all the sun Tim! give it back

[scenic meteor]

u gonna be real upset when the sun blows up tho 🤯

[glacial bane]

bitterness and hatred 😈

[glacial bane]

fair

[void badge]

Taking energy in this way is much less damaging to the local and global ecosystem because most of that energy is dispersed and unusable by living organisms. Generating energy from combustion creates chemical byproducts which has a number of negative impacts.

...Wait do you believe in climate change? Or that fumes from coal, oil, and nat. gas are bad to breath in? Genuine questions.

[glacial bane]

kinda but you have them for 30+ years these days

[maiden token]

you'll be dead by then won't you tim?

[scenic meteor]

thats grim

[quick drum]

Yeah the climate changes all the time, no the climate isn't in our control; Yes breathing noxes is bad but they can be scrubbed; Also I smoke 420 man

[void badge]

Yep, so its not his problem

[glacial bane]

yep so i dont have to deal with it 👍

[glacial bane]

no, its reality

[scenic meteor]

sad but true

[quick drum]

Tough I really don't belive in CO2 control, and counting breaths, or sacrificing people, or killing animals because they make co2 or methane

[void badge]

Ahhh, so you don't believe in man-made climate change then right?

[quick drum]

Oh no, I do more people, more co2, more heat; That's why the maya and aztecs had 100years war to wipe out a bunch of people and then the temperature would dropo

The dinosaurs had more heat and co2 and larger plants, but then they got hit

[glacial bane]

what

[quick drum]

The people keep breeding and taking over the planet exhaling more co2 😛

[maiden token]

so what you're saying is we need another asteroid?

[scenic meteor]

is the world getting hotter from people or is the world just hotter cause im on it 😎

[quick drum]

There's a 20km comet around the corner that may be it

[glacial bane]

dont let this guy near a women

[manic seal]

Imho this dude needs his own personal asteroid

[quick drum]

Coming this holiday seasons 😄

[void badge]

Hundreds of thousands of people and animals die every day due to long term exposure to the chemical byproducts from coal, oil, and gas combustion. Preventing those exposure deaths would also come at the cost of far fewer deaths to implement. So if we're counting these plans on the merit of death, doing nothing and continuing to use the power sources we do is far more damaging.

[glacial bane]

counting breaths btw

[earnest reef]

there must be some correlation between years of wartime with the amount of oil burned into the atmos per year and rising global temperatures. right...? 🤔

[quick drum]

EY if they keep living they'll just produce more co2 and eat more cows and fill the sewages

[void badge]

That's not even talking about the environmental and socioeconomic impacts of climate change. Just chemical byproduct exposure.

[kindred vigil]

do we fw pot pie

[maiden token]

we've been talking to clem for an hour and I've only just noticed the BTC tag 😬

[gleaming bough]

Yummers

[maiden token]

can the americans help me out, what's pot pie?

[glacial bane]

its ok

[scenic meteor]

i hate pot pie

[void badge]

aaaaaaaaaand there's the lack of consideration for human life I expected.

[maiden token]

like whats in it?

[quick drum]

You hate BTC too? only the grand usdollar for me, with central bank control 🙂

[manic seal]

its a dry pudding

[kindred vigil]

Pie but with chicken and vegetables, you can put whatever as the filling

[gleaming bough]

A pot

[drifting skiff]

Shepherd's pie but with pie crust instead of mashed potatoes

Also yeah, chicken instead of beef or whatever

[maiden token]

I agree with decentralisation of money, I'm just not a crypto stock exchange bro

[quick drum]

Not misanthropic at all actually; I have great hopes for humanity in general

[red echo]

Oh tasty

[maiden token]

but thanks for assuming that 1: I'm american, and 2: I care about money that deeply

[drifting skiff]

Money's an L

[quick drum]

BTC is not crypto stock exchange bro, stock exchange bro is btc cloned because it's open source sold to you as the next big thing, since you missed bitcon low prices and it can't go much higher than this

[maiden token]

this is the most helpful answer thanks NuCal TGril

[glacial bane]

we should go back to bartering

[drifting skiff]

I gotchu

[gleaming bough]

Real

[drifting skiff]

We should just help each other

[glacial bane]

you'll get these chickens if i can get that cow from you

[quick drum]

Aka stock exchange bro is false equivalence products meant to lower or undercut the bitcoin price as a false alternative

[void badge]

And yet when it comes to deciding a course of action based on how it impacts people's lives, you would rather we just keep doing what is profitable and easy now rather than making a difficult change that will benefit people's health and livelihood in the long term.

[maiden token]

trade offer: I give you: Hair. You give me: iPhone 17 Pro Max 1tb in cosmic orange

[vernal rain]

TRADING GOODS AND SERVICES FOR GOODS AND SERVICES

[drifting skiff]

Imagine deciding that the best way to run a society is to extract as much capital from everything you possibly can until you're forced to stop under threat of violence instead of.... literally anything else

[glacial bane]

im married but thanks for the offer 👍

[drifting skiff]

Sad day

[maiden token]

I'm crying everyday that Tim is married

[drifting skiff]

Idk why I said that I'm gay

[scenic meteor]

tim really is loyal a lot people hitting on tim recently

[quick drum]

You can inflict violence from the capital side as well though, so think twice before resorting to it

[drifting skiff]

Idk married people tend to have a thing for me

[drifting skiff]

Who tf even are you

[kindred vigil]

Do we fw spicy ramen

[gleaming bough]

Im going back to work

[maiden token]

it's a testament to his wife, she's clearly someth

[glacial bane]

if they knew i had a dad bod they wouldnt be hitting on me 👍

[drifting skiff]

I like indo mie but it's not very spicy

[scenic meteor]

i like spicy ramen

[kindred vigil]

indo mie is good

[drifting skiff]

Real

[maiden token]

Samyang Buldak I fw heavy

[kindred vigil]

w samsung

[scenic meteor]

Dont say it too loud you might get more people hitting on you 😨

[maiden token]

tim this isn't the repellant you think it is

dad bods are IN

[glacial bane]

are they

[scenic meteor]

i guess

[drifting skiff]

Jacob Elordi in frankenstein made me less gay

[kindred vigil]

I converse with this individual on a day by day basis

[drifting skiff]

How tf does Guillermo del Toro have such a firm grasp on the female gaze

[quick drum]

Why would that matter?

[maiden token]

female gays??

[obsidian plover]

I'ma buy a dad bod foam suit I guess

[drifting skiff]

Honestly yeah, super buff and cut bodies tend to just attract more dudes

[quick drum]

I'm Clem Fandango can you hear me?

[maiden token]

send pics ❤️

[drifting skiff]

Less so them but probably them too

[obsidian plover]

FOR FREE?

[drifting skiff]

Shape of water was formative

[maiden token]

I'll pay, I wouldnt do you dirty like that

[obsidian plover]

Pay me in like dollars pls

[kindred vigil]

I'll give 5$ to the most performative sentence

[maiden token]

GBP take it or leave it

[scenic meteor]

thats a dangerous ask

[obsidian plover]

"You're cute" is gonna be fine bruh.

[void badge]

I love putting so much of my self worth into how much money I make that I'm unwilling to hold opinions or make decisions that help other people if it cuts into my bottom line.

[maiden token]

bro we're STARVING fr

[drifting skiff]

Why do men complain about not being able to get a girlfriend or smth when the answer is literally just "treat them with respect and connect with them earnestly"? Like their response is usually just "ew no that's stupid" like then suffer alone you coward

[obsidian plover]

😐

[drifting skiff]

The bar is on the damn floor

[maiden token]

oh nvm I guess we don't relate

[obsidian plover]

but do we tho

[scenic meteor]

guys im a slightly confused right now

[drifting skiff]

Por que

[kindred vigil]

I'm just stuffing my face

[quick drum]

I love paying 80% taxes on my income just to pay more for histerical people

[void badge]

wiiiiith?

[scenic meteor]

idk where i got lost

[kindred vigil]

Well it was pot pie now it's ramen

[obsidian plover]

In the surreal dreamscape, the trickster-wizard spun in circles and chanted your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom, your mom until the sky itself got tired of hearing it.

[scenic meteor]

slow down gng

[kindred vigil]

what

[void badge]

Oh I'm actually a big fan of taxes, especially for the disproportionately wealthy.

[obsidian plover]

Don't be jealous scoobers

[kindred vigil]

I'm hungry!!!

[void badge]

oh... shame about that

[quick drum]

Oh don't worry you get taxed right back as soon as they run out of diproportionately wealthy people; which is pretty fast

[manic seal]

favorite actor dennehy favorite drink odouls. Bears Sox hawx bulls

[drifting skiff]

I'm sure you have strong opinions on pronouns

[quick drum]

I really don't

[kindred vigil]

what's ur pronounce

[glacial bane]

what will you have for dessert, neeyth

[drifting skiff]

When have we ever run out of disproportionately rich people

[kindred vigil]

the sun

[maiden token]

oh no! Tim's solar power!

[glacial bane]

if it makes neeyth happy im all for it 👍

[obsidian plover]

@scenic meteor no tears. you had your moment. TetraIsNowYourCompetition

[void badge]

Yeah I don't mind. I think that contributing money to public services and helping people who need it is a good thing. Overall I think that having a government which can fund itself without resorting to cutting healthcare and social supports is a great thing. Because, yknow, I want people to be healthy and have the support from society?

[scenic meteor]

i cant compete with Tetra the goat

[quick drum]

The goverments fund themself by printing money and use tax to preserve purchase power for that printed money fyi

THey don't fund themselves with taxes, they'd be insolvent in half a year

[kindred vigil]

being big n full makes me happy yes

[quick drum]

They print money and pay interest, and tax to avoid inflationary prices (it's called the Cantillion effect)

[void badge]

That's a necessary tactic when you refuse to tax people an amount proportional to their earnings.

[drifting skiff]

Delulu shit happening here today

[obsidian plover]

@maiden token go ahead

[quick drum]

You do know that a percentage is proportional to their earnings right?

[void badge]

Did you know that governments exist which gasp can fund themselves??????

[kindred vigil]

his has been going on since 10am

[glacial bane]

when will it stop

[kindred vigil]

it's almost 2

[scenic meteor]

on a thursday at that

[obsidian plover]

I think I need to wash my crocs...

[glacial bane]

the people has had enough

[scenic meteor]

Crocs are for cool people

[obsidian plover]

I got literides

[scenic meteor]

who

[kindred vigil]

how did rdr1 get a next gen port and not rdr2 wtf

[glacial bane]

such a neeyth coded post

[kindred vigil]

With undead nightmare like ok FUCK u

[kindred vigil]

mb

[drifting skiff]

People are devastated to learn you can even tax on net worth

[glacial bane]

no no carry on

[void badge]

Truly shocking

[quick drum]

hehe just keep fighting for the goverments spending habits thinking they help someone :))

you sure won't be disapointed lmao

[maiden token]

sorry you made me shy 😏

[stone grail]

Tax everyone but me thx

[kindred vigil]

I feel like you laugh like squilliam from spongebo

[void badge]

Someone has never been in a functioning society before

[maiden token]

damn did Tim just get ninja'd?

[drifting skiff]

Imagine a world where you can actually pull data on how governments can actually help people and effectively tax the rich and illiterate mosquitos will continue to hound you about how you're wrong

[quick drum]

temper temper Tim Apple 😄

[void badge]

Or seen one. Or heard about one even, apparently

[kindred vigil]

did Tim get slimed

[drifting skiff]

That world would truly be infuriating

[stone grail]

You sound like a Rick and Morty side plot character

[quick drum]

You talking about Goberment Utopia?

[obsidian plover]

Me??? Naw.

[vernal rain]

is it bad business practice for a company to invest in its employees

[quick drum]

no; i don't think so; especially if they're good; you want them employed for life

[warm granite]

Panama papers proved nothing will ever happen on that front

[stone grail]

Guys it’s bad practice to have employees , replace them with ai ☺️

[obsidian plover]

No. I do it on the daily.

[drifting skiff]

I had a whole argument with a libertarian about universal Healthcare and after sending so much data on how it's cheaper, helps everyone, and keep everyone healthier, his only remaining response was "well my money shouldn't help other people because it's mine!".

Shocker, he was a small business owner

[maiden token]

did you miss the point or??

[quick drum]

although in some regions that's actually illegal 😮

[vernal rain]

so when a country invests in its own citizens that’s a good thing 👍

neoliberal economics stinky if you ask me

[kindred vigil]

Invest in me please

[void badge]

Unsurprising, considering that when I pointed out that reducing reliance on combustion would kill less people than continuing to use it his response was "But if people are alive they make more co2".
Oh wait, you were talking about a different person, my mistake.

[stone grail]

Invest in me, as in give me all your money thx

[kindred vigil]

He's French do not do that

[maiden token]

you could probably find a guy online for that

[stone grail]

Gotta spend it on useless Olympics and not even make back the money i spent

[kindred vigil]

What does this reference im stuoid

[quick drum]

Well yeah that's the current timeline, why are you surprised? You get good scrubbing and filtering of noxes, and the issue is co2 capping and production; that's the stuff you exhale, your pets exhale, animals exhale, and plants use for energy efficiency

[maiden token]

Paris olympics was shambolic?? I think that's the reference

[quick drum]

That's why the current issue is all about CO2, not noxes

Cars have expensive filters, while the city hall trucks don't even equip one

[kindred vigil]

Like...what we breathe?

[drifting skiff]

Lmao same boat though

[scenic meteor]

manually or automatic?

[brave jewel]

Holy shit there is no way this conversation is still happening

[maiden token]

you are now manually breathing

[kindred vigil]

You're now manually blinking

[quick drum]

Can ASCII art be truly art?

[warm granite]

“You think thats air that you are breathing?” - cowboy curtis, the matrix

[kindred vigil]

I'm putting you all in an cooking competition

[stone grail]

I breathe fear

[void badge]

....The amount of Co2 produced on an industrial scale imbalancing the pre-existing carbon cycle is the actual issue. Not the fact that there is a carbon cycle. If there's too much Co2 then plants can't consume it all. So there's more co2 left in the atmosphere to reflect light and cause the greenhouse effect.

[maiden token]

I'm scared of you

[scenic meteor]

i would win a cooking competition ngl

[maiden token]

what would you make?

[kindred vigil]

No Scooby you can't make a peanut butter jelly sandwich

[scenic meteor]

eggs

[void badge]

"I can't believe you guys talk about wanting to prevent climate change while you're out here breathing co2 all over the place. Hypocrites."

[stone grail]

I will make a sinners sandwich

[maiden token]

that's so BASIC

[warm granite]

Co2 is healthy we need more of it but the government sprays chemicals in the air that absorb the co2 btw this is why all the wood you buy today is low quality because the trees can’t breath

[kindred vigil]

The cooking challenge is making a creme brulee

[scenic meteor]

but when you perfect basic 🤫

[stone grail]

Good choice

[warm granite]

I’m just saying shit now tbh

[kindred vigil]

w realization

[stone grail]

First time ?

[manic seal]

Yeah. You should open some books instead lol

[kindred vigil]

90% of my messages is me saying shit

[scenic meteor]

95%

[warm granite]

Bruh I left for hours and came back and you’re still here follow your own advice

[void badge]

too low

[quick drum]

and read them under a very low powered led light

[stone grail]

Bro living in a creepy pasta

[kindred vigil]

I gotta ask

[maiden token]

bro could be reading whilst in discord, you dont know

[warm granite]

True those damn multitaskers

[kindred vigil]

Is squid ink pasta popular in France or is that a faux pas

[glacial bane]

audio books exists

[void badge]

Bro is out here using incandescent because those damn LEDs are too energy efficient.

[stone grail]

It’s cool but not really that popular

[kindred vigil]

can I eat it

[glacial bane]

squid ink pasta surely thats made up

[stone grail]

Sure but you make it

[scenic meteor]

u can eat anything you strive for

[manic seal]

I'm doing some very boring work where I have to wait for 10 minutes at a time between doing things. Its not glamorous.

But lately I read Murderbot. Also some CJ cherryh books that ive read before.

[kindred vigil]

So I can eat my phone

[stone grail]

Squid ink burger bun will destroy Tim mind when he sees it

[scenic meteor]

if you wanted to but i wouldnt recommend it

[quick drum]

hey did you know that whever you see a falling star, high chances are it's astronaut poop burning in the atmosphere?

[kindred vigil]

I will....take a potato chip, and eat it....!!

[warm granite]

Italy has it too, there’s a dish called fruta Del Mar which often but not always comes with squid ink pasta

[quick drum]

thats what you're wishing on!

[maiden token]

that explains why you're still yappin in this chat

[kindred vigil]

I don't care about Italy ✌️😂

[manic seal]

Dave Matthews band fans be like:

[kindred vigil]

I was on a roman fixation yesterday, I only care about Rome

[scenic meteor]

lame

[void badge]

I miss rome

[kindred vigil]

I'm over it already

[maiden token]

adhd

[stone grail]

The Germans during ww2

[void badge]

I could walk places

[quick drum]

The fun thing in rome is trying to get into the vatican archive

[warm granite]

All of Italy best food they stole from China anyway like noodles

[kindred vigil]

I just like the thought of having a wreath on my head and being called emperor as I do nothing but burn down -

[glacial bane]

rome only lasted for a couple hundred years anyways. it wasnt that impressive

[kindred vigil]

It was Nero who burnt something right

[maiden token]

like the cafe?

[warm granite]

He burned cds

[glacial bane]

something like that somebody played on an instrument

[stone grail]

Nero you mean the deadweight ?

[kindred vigil]

ok we all got a different Nero in our heads

[quick drum]

And got raided for it

[kindred vigil]

I didn't know some roman law was still used in today law is that true

Like apparently innocent proven guilty is a Roman thing

[glacial bane]

probably

[stone grail]

Isn’t that neron

[kindred vigil]

I have a question

[warm granite]

A lot of modern law and governance is based on ancient Assyria and then later Rome

[maiden token]

so before romans was it like, "it was him officer" and they just beheaded them?

[kindred vigil]

outside of when Italy was Rome (this is a bit not right cause I think rome was half of Europe and I don't think it started in Italy specifically)

what...the fuck...do they do??

[glacial bane]

what

[kindred vigil]

like what does Italy do besides exist

[stone grail]

Wrf he’s called Néron in French but Nero in English

[maiden token]

no people, just grass and donkeys

[glacial bane]

wdym

[kindred vigil]

like, what have they done for the earth or to

[warm granite]

Italy makes arduino

[maiden token]

pizza

[kindred vigil]

ain't pizza come from Greece

[glacial bane]

they created the music genre italo disco

[maiden token]

Pizza's from Greece????

[kindred vigil]

no I just lied

[obsidian plover]

Pizza has grease.

[manic seal]

Economy based on exporting fascism, disco, and cheese

[maiden token]

baited by neeyth again 😞

[kindred vigil]

It came from naples

[obsidian plover]

Kachow! Kachow!

[glacial bane]

i think italy invented modern banking

[warm granite]

Arduino I was surprised to learn is Italian. That’s probably their top tech export

[kindred vigil]

I fear if I get more into this topic it'll cause a chain reaction