🗣marathon-general-chat

[kindred vigil]

Id liked to be awe in the nature of the planet, but distraught at the isolation and the emptiness and brutalism of the corporate and manmade things in the planet yk

[chrome pumice]

I rly feel thats the vibe they are going for tho

[pulsar blade]

Sure, lore wise it looks fine. But if it's just barebones, then it favors tracking with beam weapons...

[chrome pumice]

yea I guess we will see what changes in the autumn

[kindred vigil]

I hope they do add more recoil as satisfying the gunplay is games like these do need some form of recoil

Because if this is meant to be entry, they'll quickly learn that extraction shooters have ur gun pointed to the sky with 1 shot lol

[pulsar blade]

Just slower firing guns would make things way more enjoyable than just getting head-tracked and beamed down, yk?

[plain flicker]

Idk if you played the alpha but you’re very rarely getting beamed and insta killed lol you have time to react

Unless you’re sniped

[pulsar blade]

I didn't get a chance to test, no. I'm curious, but again without outdoors being improved I can't see much complexity "being found" and the maps will feel simple after sveral plays

In Hunt the map determines gameplay a significant amount of the time, imo

Crazy thought, but I wonder if in Marathon, if some players just hopped in for free to play TDM style, while other runners come in with paid stuff to try and extract

But if they're going for the more sparse players-per-map then idk if it'd work

[plain flicker]

Dire marsh was open and is supposed to be the easy map but perimeter had more turns and different routes and we haven’t seen the other two yet which are supposed to be hard/more tight

[obsidian plover]

@tawdry olive

[kindred vigil]

Fuck dire marsh I got sniped by a cod pro in this server bruh💔💔💔💔

that dude sniped my shit OFF!!

[plain flicker]

Cozmo killed me on dire marsh 💔

[stuck aurora]

it was me

I fucking HATE Neeyth 🤣 🤞

[obsidian plover]

I prob got you there too

[obsidian plover]

DAMN

[plain flicker]

No I woulda cooked ur ass

[obsidian plover]

Not possible but OK.

[plain flicker]

Thanks for the purple bully bro 🙏

[kindred vigil]

magnum on top

[gleaming bough]

[plain flicker]

[stuck aurora]

it is me myself and I versus the world

yall ain't got nuthn on me!!!

[obsidian plover]

I got all of it on you

Blueprint Supreme

[kindred vigil]

it's going full circle to neeyth hate 🤞🕊️💎

[wooden fjord]

I hate Neeyth so much it's not even funny

[obsidian plover]

Yeah neenee is totally unbearrrrable

[scenic meteor]

So real

[wooden fjord]

Neeyth didn't even play the Battlefield 6™ Open Beta Test Weekend with me

[gleaming bough]

Neeyth isn't real. They are a construct of our imagination

[proud glade]

i had a dream I was so mad at a chicken i created a wyvern irl and killed it

[kindred vigil]

destiny implant in ur brain

[proud glade]

yeah probably

[delicate leaf]

Blah blah blah, games dead. Blah blah blah, gimme gimme. Blah blah blah, traxus or death.

[wooden fjord]

Traxus number #1

[smoky lodge]

Yo guys, I know this isn't Destiny here but has it happened to you too that when recording Destiny clips directly via Steam you don't have sound in the clips?

[proud glade]

Choose your shrimp wisely

[pearl drift]

Have we heard any information regarding the open beta since the game is coming out next month?

[wooden fjord]

The game has been delayed, we will get an updated release schedule and more info in the next couple of months

[sick mason]

Man I wish this game was still coming next month though lol

Definitely was not ready unfortunately

[ebon karma]

I’m kinda glad they’re taking their time

[gleaming bough]

Its cold in the NuCaloric Fridge

[proven kernel]

We really should put a latch on the inside of it.... oh well!

[tawdry olive]

@obsidian plover

[opaque heron]

I will go in there to get some calories

[proud glade]

Choose your shrimp wisely

[final mauve]

Is that where you store the Shish-ke-BOBs?

[proven kernel]

No, the Bob-B-Q is in there.

[final mauve]

Ahhh smells like napalm, tastes like chicken!

🤣

Should I shake before using?

[stuck aurora]

are we still hating on Neeyth?

of course we are, fuck @kindred vigil

[gleaming bough]

Free me from work

[proud glade]

what a nice bowl

[obsidian plover]

Tabby

[final mauve]

@kindred vigil I dont hate you, I tolerate you

[obsidian plover]

Damn

Neenee just getting absolutely slayed today

[final mauve]

I said i didnt hate!

[stable ice]

Will there be a pre-order for marathon?

[final mauve]

We dont know yet

[gleaming bough]

I don't understand the hate Neeyth is getting

[final mauve]

Me neither

[rain veldt]

I haven't checked in on this in a while, but is the game discontinued, or what's up?

[stuck aurora]

Sony's taking control and it's planned for release before gta 6 only to be forgotten a month later after selling about 50k copies

[rain veldt]

Damn. We're getting Marathon before GTA6.

[wintry python]

[gleaming bough]

[stuck aurora]

[rain veldt]

🇬🇳

[thorny zinc]

🇬 🇳 🇳 🇬

[novel star]

MARATHONNNNN PAY THE ARTISTS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[mild nexus]

MARATHOOOOONNNNNNN

PLEAAAAAAASSSSSEEEEE

[weary mantle]

Nothing today

[mortal sequoia]

Do you use a gpu support bracket? What's a good one? Is that sag fine?

[icy rain]

just hit it with a hammer

or screw it into the case

[proud glade]

<@$1130937459287539792>

[icy rain]

true

[proud glade]

yeah

[mortal sequoia]

Even screwed tight something like a 4090 5090 is too heavy and the backend will sag

[icy rain]

what is dat

[icy rain]

2 screws

[mortal sequoia]

With 2 screws!

[proud glade]

2 of them

[icy rain]

i got something big in the works, 3 screws

[mortal sequoia]

Yeah no the backend will sag regardless of screws

[icy rain]

hang it from the top of the case with rope

[mortal sequoia]

Shouldn't be an issue unless you bump your box

I saw that

[icy rain]

👀

[mortal sequoia]

So you just like it sagging?

[proud glade]

@proven kernel i found an issue

[icy rain]

huh\

[proud glade]

i can ping everyone who's played destiny 2 in the past 60 days

[icy rain]

what

how (dm a brotha)

[proud glade]

no im gatekeeping

[icy rain]

fair enough i gatekept being able to ping roles

in the stage chats you could @ any role (runner included)

[proud glade]

OH NO

[icy rain]

i coulda been a demon and hit an @runners but im a saint

👼

[proud glade]

i can be a demon and ping everyone who's played battlefield 6

[icy rain]

do it

@ all league players with a shower emoji

[proud glade]

i must not

[junior gale]

wheres tha DACS at?

[icy rain]

art chat

[proud glade]

i'm sure the one person who plays cats hidden in paris is really upset right now

[icy rain]

thats how you do it

cats in paris -meowye west

[proud glade]

<@$1124358458523791503>

[icy rain]

what is that one

[proud glade]

super dragon ball heroes world mission demo version

<@$498948228146921472>

[icy rain]

how do you find these numbers

[gleaming bough]

[icy rain]

get outta here arg boy !!

[gleaming bough]

🐟

[proud glade]

naruto shippuden ultimate ninja storm 3 full burst

BOOO

[icy rain]

im a demon on that game if that was the 2d fighting game (its not idk what game im thinking of)

[icy rain]

👻

[tawdry olive]

¢_·±⁹;‽‡°§∆√Ω©®™

[lavish glade]

Hello, how can I access the game?

[whole zodiac]

you cant till play test

[lavish glade]

Is it here on Discord or on the game's website?

[tawdry olive]

play test up in 15

|| months ||

[summer fractal]

any destiny sweats wanna help me buy merch from the bungie store? im willing to pay extra. DM me please, im not a bot

[proud glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328415939418652693/1407141379213365449/wipefordps.mov?ex=68a50608&is=68a3b488&hm=6783e5f788c2a6d52378c43d9f6990483c7c46e98ac6f2fbf2aadf2ee38f2329&

[gleaming bough]

WHAT

[proud glade]

I DONT KNOW

[sour cairn]

no

the requirements for destiny merch arent ever high which leads me to believe ur looking to acquire this stuff en masse to resell it later at exorbitant prices

cause all the stuff locked behind doing shit is generally smaller shit like raid pins or dungeon jackets that somebody who doesnt do those things wouldnt care about at all

[summer fractal]

or u could do ur research and realize the inconclast pin seal i want and through the light and darkness required a lot of grind i didnt have time for. im not a scalper mr judgmental

i collect merch and i need help, if u cant or u wanna judge people just stay quiet and ont answer

[sour cairn]

why would you want a seal pin for a seal you dont own tho that seems a bit off to me

[summer fractal]

AGAIN i collect merch

do u pay attention?

[sour cairn]

yeah which is why this is continuing to ping my scalper radar

scalpar you could say

[summer fractal]

u want pics of my collection or a jnd jb

[obsidian plover]

❌

[uneven abyss]

Hello Runners

[sour cairn]

omg hi terra paws at u paws at u paws at u

[summer fractal]

umm is that some stolen marathon lingo?

[sour cairn]

im surprised iconoclast is still even sold

oh its going away tomorrow lol thats funny

[summer fractal]

umm, thanks for info i knew, and not being helpful

[sour cairn]

25 buckeroos for a dainty lil pin i hate overpriced merch

im talking to myself here moomf dw abt it

[summer fractal]

bro im offering triple for that poin and ur turning down money?

lol keep talking to urself but umma snwer smart guy'

[sour cairn]

i feel like at that point youd have an easier time just buying secondhand on ebay

[summer fractal]

for like 200 when its 25

[sour cairn]

its a pretty new title all things considered, its not gonna be hyperinflated like rivensbane or shadow

[summer fractal]

do u even collect

[sour cairn]

nvm im looking now god damn thats inflated lol

[summer fractal]

ill accept ur silence now

[sour cairn]

nah the only pin i own is discipleslayer which is a title i dont even like but hey i got it for free so who cares right

[summer fractal]

again you are zero help

[sour cairn]

at most id want a rivensbane pin but also meh

too big to actually pin onto anything, too small to hang up solo

[summer fractal]

if this s the audience suporting marathon im scared

[sour cairn]

im not supporting marathon really im just here for the friends ive made along the way

isnt that heartwarming

[summer fractal]

finally a well thought out answer

[sour cairn]

all my answers are well thought im a thinkin gal

[summer fractal]

and a smartass who makes me wanna leave this server. destiny community in a nutshell is your responses

[sour cairn]

no this is the marathon community

[uneven abyss]

paws back paws back paws back ruff ruff ruff grr

[sour cairn]

awrrrufffff arfarf hows life sis its been a while

[uneven abyss]

Im edgin g homelessness rn but everything else is good

I think I have secured housing tho

[sour cairn]

that blows hope ur able to pull through

[plain flicker]

Marathon news at Gamescon 🙏 (I’m delusional)

[sour cairn]

unfathomable levels of back nvm

[uneven abyss]

How dare you gatekeep the frot badge

[final mauve]

Terra lore drop?

[kindred vigil]

very delusional

[sour cairn]

its my server srry oomf

[final mauve]

Terra are you going to go through a “mobile-home arc” now?

[uneven abyss]

LMAO true and real. Im trying to get to a place

[final mauve]

Aahh, stressful i bet

[uneven abyss]

if my home were mobile Id request desktop version every time

[plain flicker]

[final mauve]

Lmfao 😭

[final mauve]

What in the fuck do you want?

[kindred vigil]

Expect it in November or October brochacho remember number 1 gaming rule never be too excited okay

[final mauve]

I expect news then, i doubt they’ll be done by then. If they are, color me impressed.

[kindred vigil]

but impressed isn't a color...

[final mauve]

Make it make sense then

[uneven abyss]

not to humans… but to clone runners…

[final mauve]

I’d say its a fine line between yellow and orange, melodically light, but not blindingly so. Almost an easy to look at color if it did shine or illuminate

Orange light is very easy on the eyes in the dark

Unfortunately we’ve decided that giant fucking white LEDs are the way for car headlights however

Curse my astigmatism! 🥲

[uneven abyss]

no proclamations of religious affiliation in the chat pleasr

[sour cairn]

awawa

[uneven abyss]

awawawa

[kindred vigil]

w laughables rn I'm ngl

[final mauve]

Sorry, let me rephrase.
May infinite sorrow and woe be upon my astigmatism!

[kindred vigil]

u not Gabriel ultra kill bru 💀🤞💔

[final mauve]

Who and wha?

[uneven abyss]

Youre astigmatism, dude

Ne Cede Astigmatism

[final mauve]

Light hurty owie

[uneven abyss]

I got an astigmatism from waterloo waterpark

[final mauve]

I got it from being born on accident

[uneven abyss]

you were born on accident?

[final mauve]

Rather, I am an accident

[proud glade]

ok

[final mauve]

But, i am not a mistake nor a bastard

[proud glade]

a

[final mauve]

Take your shit to the destiny community or a marketplace, smartass🙂

[kindred vigil]

Brochacho he left 🤞💔

[final mauve]

Good riddance

What a fucking jaggoff

Anyway, I want marathon to have a terminal thats just Zork. If you beat zork and get the max score of 350, you get some part of an ARG

[uneven abyss]

Who is Zork

Zorkin it rn

[proud glade]

zork

[kindred vigil]

woke grok

[uneven abyss]

Marathon should have its own version of Destiny 1 Year 1 Xur

hyper important NPC that everyones excited for

[kindred vigil]

and sells the most rarest exotic on the 1st week 🤞💎🕊️ and everyone ignores it because it "sucks"

[proud glade]

why would I use an exotic heavy weapon???

[gleaming bough]

[proud glade]

would you rather be eggman or seedfellow

[kindred vigil]

EGGMAN!!!

[proud glade]

ok

[final mauve]

Zork is a series of old Computer text adventure games made at MIT!

You can still play them, and its a very fun text adventure puzzle anthology! (Yea, i said anthology, and it has LORE)

[final mauve]

This is why people hate you

Youre lucky Im a forgiving person, Neeyth

[kindred vigil]

Hyuk...garsh...ppl hate me?? 🐦‍🔥🐦‍🔥🐦‍🔥

[icy rain]

nobody hates you gng 🐦‍🔥

phoenix and lobster look similar 🐦‍🔥 🦞

[kindred vigil]

🐦‍🔥🐦‍🔥

[icy rain]

ugh

[kindred vigil]

It's full circle brochacho u gotta do it too

[icy rain]

i dont hate you !!!!

[kindred vigil]

buddy ALWAYS trying to be different 🫩✌️

[icy rain]

buddy look at your bio

clip farming bio 💔

[kindred vigil]

what's life without farming for crops so people may get fed 🤞🕊️💎

wow ok backwards

[icy rain]

im a hunter gatherer type clip farming

just gotta come across it, dont get complacent and wait for the clips

[kindred vigil]

I think that's just called being...funny...🤔🤔🤔

[icy rain]

mmhmm

unlike you #smartphOWNED

[kindred vigil]

I recently watched a video on clip farming and it's legit the most painful watches obvious clipfarms are so bad 💔💔

[icy rain]

bro studied

[kindred vigil]

Do uu not study on the subjects that matter In this d generation

[icy rain]

yeah like the economy and important social matters

NOT twitch streamers clip farming

[kindred vigil]

This chat is full of serious joe schmoes who read books 🤢👎

[icy rain]

i dont read book i listen to them #audiobookworm

[kindred vigil]

"I don't learn I earn" ass 💔

[icy rain]

type shit

"I dont earn or learn" ass 💔

[kindred vigil]

+1 laughable damn y'all on a ROLL today ✌️😂

[obsidian plover]

Ah so you ain’t sheeeeit

[obsidian plover]

I read insane numbers of books

[icy rain]

whats yo fav book

[icy rain]

good one 👍

[obsidian plover]

Modified

[obsidian plover]

It’s actually very complicated cos there’s so many

It’s like movies or games. Single favorites don’t exist in a world of options near infinite.

[icy rain]

ugh youre so boring bruh

neeyths fav book is the very hungry caterpillar

[tawdry olive]

goodnight moon

[kindred vigil]

my favorite book is green eggs and ham bruh

[kindred vigil]

Like FUCK! The ham really green!! ✌️😂 Like how I green fine shyts! Boom shakalacka! Neeyth strikes again 💎🕊️🤞*+1 laughables* 🐦‍🔥🐦‍🔥🐦‍🔥

I'm really a weirdo huh

[tawdry olive]

no

my mommy would make me and my lil sis green aggs and ham for breakfy sumtimes

aggs

cuz the A key is right next to the E key

i hate my fingers

[obsidian plover]

I bet your fingers are nice

[tawdry olive]

they are quite svelte and lush, y thank u teehee 💋

[icy rain]

ew

[icy rain]

bro gain sentience

[kindred vigil]

what the HELL am I reading above ^ this message

[icy rain]

ive never read the word svelte in my life

[proud glade]

neeyth go play destiny 2
back to caldera with you

[obsidian plover]

Suspicions

[proud glade]

Choose your shrimp wisely

[icy rain]

i pick the bubba gump shirmp

[proud glade]

wrong

[icy rain]

FUCK

[tawdry olive]

"I bet i'm delicious"

-a shrimp

[proud glade]

Choose your shrimp wisely

[tawdry olive]

Jacques, in Finding Nemo, my favorite movie btw

[icy rain]

is new bit of the week from some deltarune junk

[proud glade]

You lose

[tawdry olive]

i pick mantis shrimp

[proud glade]

You lose

[icy rain]

i pick the winning shirmp

[tawdry olive]

NO u lost, all our shrimps won and ur little dumb saggy shrimp is aloser

[icy rain]

jeez thats rude

[tawdry olive]

sry 😭

[proven kernel]

I don’t get the shrimp talk

[tawdry olive]

same

[proud glade]

Butane what shrimp do you pick

[tawdry olive]

@proud gladey u bring shrimp up, stop pulling us into ur lil messed up world

[proud glade]

Choose your shrimp wisely

[proven kernel]

Tempura

[tawdry olive]

damb thats a good one

[proud glade]

You're winner

[tawdry olive]

i agree Butane won that

[icy rain]

bullshit dude she cheated

[proud glade]

No

[icy rain]

my shrimp trained for months

[proud glade]

There were 2 correct answers for my Srimp

[icy rain]

wgat were tgey

[proud glade]

Tempura and Transgender

[icy rain]

butane rigged it

[proven kernel]

Mine got fried for like 4 minutes. Checkmate.

[icy rain]

im gonna bite yours in half 😠

[proven kernel]

We share

[icy rain]

my familys wealth was on that shrimp

[icy rain]

ok fine 🙄

[proud glade]

Your shrimp was not wise enough

[icy rain]

he tried his best ok

[tawdry olive]

i gave a homeless woman 50$ today

she was pretty ragged and i felt like she needed it

[icy rain]

50 big ones is bis golly

[kindred vigil]

w money

[proud glade]

You should have also given them a good shrimp

[icy rain]

give a homeless woman 50$ shes eats for a while, give her a good shrimp she gets generationally wealth

[slim jackal]

It’s just that shrimple

[proud glade]

yeah

[icy rain]

🦐

[gleaming bough]

🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟

[proud glade]

yeah

[final mauve]

Highly suspect individual in lore

Probably someone’s AI bot off a leash

Unless its some goof in a 3rd world country using a translator

[hard mulch]

aight, so when is this game coming back

[kindred vigil]

I'll decide on that

[gleaming bough]

🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟

[obsidian plover]

Fishy fish

Modified

[tranquil breach]

yo is this game ever gonna come out?

[proven kernel]

Yes, before March 2026. Announcement on date will release in the fall.

[tranquil breach]

word

[drifting skiff]

who up bein woke

[proven kernel]

I want eep tho

[drifting skiff]

damn

[lament elm]

is this game dead yet

[proven hazel]

no u

lul

But nah, not yet. its uhhhhhhh, pretty close though ngl

[tawdry olive]

53 more days until bf6 😭/

[proven kernel]

I may wait just a few days after just to make sure it’s stable.

Guess I should try the Iwo Jima stuff in 2042

[weary mantle]

Glitch best runner gameplay wise don't @ me

The 1v3 potential is there

[tawdry olive]

if i fall asleep rn i get 9 hrs of sleep

[obsidian plover]

Too many

[tawdry olive]

almost not enough

[proud glade]

shrimp

[topaz quiver]

I know they said they are gonna focus more on the darker tone but i really hope they keep this dope aesthetic, its so damn unique

[tawdry olive]

tru

almost wish that baby whiny kid who cried about them stealing his poor drawings just hushed up so we could all be playing marathon rn

[proud glade]

Thank you for these
Gifts

[topaz quiver]

I'm actually glad they did, I'm an artist my self so I can see where the issue is, copyright is a LEGAL reason

HOWEVER I hope we get to keep the look how it is because it's literally one of the most unique looking games

[tawdry olive]

no

art is meant to be shared, not hoarded greedily

if my art ended up in a game i would be thrilled

[proud glade]

Please give me more
Gifts

[obsidian plover]

Crazy

[tawdry olive]

IM LOSING SLEEP CUZ OF UUUU 😭

[obsidian plover]

Real

[proud glade]

Give me
Gifts

[obsidian plover]

Not my fault that you’re into me

[tawdry olive]

HERES SOME RICE NOW FRY IT!

[proud glade]

Ok

[tawdry olive]

@proud glade i eated u

[proud glade]

No

[tawdry olive]

hush, ur in my tummy now.

[gleaming bough]

hmmmm

[sweet badger]

imagine getting official info 💔

im sure they are gunshy after all the bad pub but a crumb of info for me personally pls ?

[proud glade]

No

[tawdry olive]

i said hush u!

ur gibz me indigestion.

[proud glade]

You deserve it

[kindred vigil]

1 fish 2 fish🐦‍🔥🐦‍🔥🤌

[coarse moat]

whats crackalackin

[keen acorn]

can we preoder the game somehow?

[gleaming bough]

🐟 🐟 🐟

this is true

[proud glade]

1 shrimp 2 shrimp

[gleaming bough]

🐟 🐟 🐟 🐟

[kindred vigil]

3 fish...

[weary mantle]

Idk why the is so funny to me

[weary mantle]

Nope, gotta wait another month or two probably

[keen acorn]

yeah i figured . i cant believe that summerbreak is almost over with 0 games released then all release together in winter....

[weary mantle]

Yeah this summer has been rough icl

[gleaming bough]

🐟 🐟 🐟

[peak prairie]

Mister Fantastic Fox is my dad

You were close

[stuck aurora]

500 fish

[spring otter]

I've never heard a more braindead take in my life

You clearly have 0 talent and 0 ability to create anything because if you had any idea what it was like to have your hard work stolen and used for profit you would not be saying ts rn

Bungie got what was coming to them.

[stuck aurora]

I won't tolerate tabby slander

retract your statement at once!!!

or face the wrath of my worm

[spring otter]

You mean the person slandering an artist who was a victim of bungie's incompetence?

[spring otter]

I forsee no grass being touched in your future

[stuck aurora]

Projecting much?

[ancient marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-sasquach-biglezshow-gif-4843108

[spring otter]

projecting? why would I need to project onto a 100 inch 4k oled display showing me exactly what's wrong with this god forsaken community

[stuck aurora]

this god forsaken community you're also a part of

[spring otter]

Another non-response from the peanut gallery. I was interested in this game at one point and stuck around to see the dumpster fire that ensued. I would never consider myself apart of a game as comically unoriginal as Marathon. It's a discrace to the original IP and it makes bungie look like more of a joke than they already are.

[stuck aurora]

I'm sure you've heard of the red "Leave Server" button on your 100 inch 4k oled display

[spring otter]

Analogies were a tough subject for you in English class weren't they?

Why would I leave when I have the endless entertainment of shills like you and @tawdry olive?

[stuck aurora]

holy 🌽 ball

[spring otter]

at least I'm not advocating for art theft 🤷‍♂️

[unborn badger]

the ragebait is crazy

imagine digging up an obviously satire take 4 hours ago to be pissed about 💀

[spring otter]

If it's satire that makes all of this infinitely more funny tbh

Idk what's worse it being satire or it being believable to not be

[unborn badger]

I mean I'm laughing but idk about you looking at the past 15 minutes ☠️

[tame pasture]

whats even going on 😭

[spring otter]

Oh i've been cackling this whole time lmao

[unborn badger]

whatever you say brother man

[limber walrus]

Release date, when?

[stuck aurora]

concordian's a funny name

[unborn badger]

lol

[obsidian plover]

💤

[obsidian plover]

Yawn

Time to get up

[stuck aurora]

you forgot to wake up tabby

[drifting skiff]

?????????

Damn I wish she let her art get directly stolen so we could play vidya

[scenic meteor]

It’s too early

[proven kernel]

Yeah. No one deserves to have their work taken and used without consent. I’m not sure if that was satire, ragebait, or your actual opinion, but it’s not a good look, tabs.

[tawdry olive]

Oooh caught one 🎣 🙂

[proven kernel]

And there’s my answer…

Seriously though, don’t say stuff like that.

[tawdry olive]

dont get baited!

[drifting skiff]

I don't think you understand bait

[tawdry olive]

whats amazing to me is that post was over 8 hrs old, and suddenly i wake up and look at my phone and hete we are talking about it

[tawdry olive]

im trying to protect u 😭

[drifting skiff]

Because the responses were more recent and I was asleep like a normal person(?)

[tawdry olive]

IT WAS A MINDLESS POST AIMED AT THE ORIGINAL POSTER BECAUSE HE BROUGHT UP THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME THEME UPON GAMES RELEASE FFS

for all the stuff i post u all lose ur mind over that lol idc it was just words im going to work lol

[scenic meteor]

So how do we feel about spaghetti

[wooden cosmos]

Silly dog likes spaghetti but enjoys bowties more

[tawdry olive]

i wub 4 dis

[tawdry olive]

not now i have to work and cant eat rn

[kindred vigil]

Halo odst x Helldivers is real...

[stuck aurora]

good day tabbers

[stuck aurora]

the neeyth hate is REAL 💯 🤞

[delicate leaf]

🫘

[tawdry olive]

morning tabs!

[drifting skiff]

I mean it is gonna be the same theme, no? Like the aesthetic is gonna change but I thought they said they're still going for graphic realism

[vernal rain]

[tawdry olive]

Well im sure they will rework the stolen assets, but those assets did contribute to the theme a little bit.

I hope its graphic realism!

[kindred vigil]

The tone* is gonna change it just might be more darker in tone it'd take years for them to redo the art style if that was the case

[drifting skiff]

Yeah like, it's still gonna be the marathon they talked about, just probably diverged slightly from antireal's stuff

[tawdry olive]

Depends if the models used were already uv wrapped and baked. Thats quite the redo.

[drifting skiff]

I am happy she's probably going to get reimbursed for the ordeal though

[kindred vigil]

They're working on darker tone than themes based off original marathon, and probably the cinematic trailer since that's what people liked and wanted

[drifting skiff]

God that original cinematic trailer ripped

Loved the super wispy looking rifle

[tawdry olive]

one of the best looking cinematics i have ever seen. LOTV cinematic still on top tho

[wooden fjord]

Chinese Scientists Unveil Robot That Could Give Birth To Human Baby, Prototype To Launch In 2026

We are so back?

[flint tundra]

Ah so this is where you've been

[kindred vigil]

We've never been so doomed in the history of doomerism

[flint tundra]

Damn I mean we already basically had a generation of kids growing up with single-parents, I guess now its time for a generation full of kids who grew up with no parents

Just lab equipment

[wooden fjord]

Tbh robot gf would be so great

Push mute button and tell machine to Shut The Hell Up

All Robot & Computers Must Shut The Hell Up

To All machines: Do Not Speak unless Spoken To

[gleaming bough]

[wooden fjord]

I Do Not want to hear "Thank You" from a kiosk

I Am A Divine Being..... You Are An Object

Do Not Speak To Me in my Holy Tongue

[flint tundra]

Whatever you say man

Beep boop

[drifting skiff]

Wish that were me

[drifting skiff]

That immediately after "robot gf" is.... interesting

[drifting skiff]

Like I agree with that just yeesh

[flint tundra]

Yeah lmao

[wooden fjord]

If it was a male robot would it be fine

[flint tundra]

Not really

[wooden fjord]

We'd be buddies AND they could bear my child?

[drifting skiff]

"Damn I wish I could have a robot girlfriend I could treat like shit" -man who has not seen any of the tens of movies on Robot GF Treated Like Shit: An Allegory for How People View and Treat Women

[flint tundra]

Animatrix was right

[drifting skiff]

Why did I not know that was produced by the wachowskis

[wooden fjord]

Are there really movies about robot girlfriends wtf

[drifting skiff]

Most recently? Companion

[flint tundra]

I mean "Her" is about an AI gf

[drifting skiff]

There's also the one with Oscar Isaac

[wooden fjord]

That was a good movie, but not robot

[flint tundra]

Im sure Love Death and Robots has stuff. I just only watched season 1

[drifting skiff]

Wasn't blade runner also about artificial people being second class?

[flint tundra]

Yeah

[drifting skiff]

EX MACHINA

[wooden fjord]

"From the studio that brought you The Notebook" nope lmfao

[drifting skiff]

?????

[wooden fjord]

?

[drifting skiff]

Do you think it's going to be like the notebook???

[wooden fjord]

It was a joke about The Notebook being God awful and problematic

[drifting skiff]

Okay? That's not where we're at rn

[wooden fjord]

Wait a minute

Same director as Fred 3: Camp Fred

Might be worth the watch after all......

[proven kernel]

….

Seriously?

[wooden fjord]

Is this meme not as widespread as I thought

[proven kernel]

It’s not a good meme

[drifting skiff]

We're aware that people like to joke about women shutting up. It's not a good joke....

"Haha I hate women, right guys?"

[wooden fjord]

Huh

[drifting skiff]

Oh god what's the term for it

[wooden fjord]

I dunno but it was just me randomly remembering the Robots Shut Up meme

[drifting skiff]

DISPARAGEMENT HUMOR

[proven kernel]

I don’t know that one, it’s just the fact you mentioned robot gf just before that and then instantly went to telling it (her) to shut up.

[drifting skiff]

I do recognize that meme, just terrible timing

[wooden fjord]

Oh well dang, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to have bad timing like that, I just think it's a funny meme against robots and it popped into my head

[drifting skiff]

I understand, I agree robots should never speak yeah

[empty hill]

if u got a robot gf she would leave u fr

[drifting skiff]

Also that cars shouldn't have screens, fuck all that I want buttons and knobs

[wooden fjord]

Fr 😔

I love women I'm just autistic and don't connect the dots when speaking

[empty hill]

she would lowkey cheat on u with a video game or an editing software

[proven kernel]

There was a joke I saw the other day “with the increase of self driving trucks, we’re getting closer to a song where a country singer sings about his truck leaving him.”

[empty hill]

😭 my ai gf cheated on me with adobe after effects

[drifting skiff]

I wanna go on this tangent regardless, so: Disparagement humor is actually really effective at training people into thinking certain things are okay. Jokes like these are structured to give unease and anticipation, ending with a punchline that releases all that, giving a dopamine hit. What some people call dark humor is often disparagement humor associating that punchline and subsequent dopamine hit with something negative or bad, normalizing them and making them seem less bad than they are. Studies showed that people who engaged in jokes like that tended to offend more in that direction (ex: men who joked about or minimized sexual assault in that way were more likely to commit sexual assault). These tactics are used both in education and in propaganda because of how critical and important dopamine is in the learning process

[wooden fjord]

Manufacturers are heading away from the trend of giant screens and adding back buttons and dials if that helps you feel better

[drifting skiff]

Thank fuck

If there's a touch screen in a car I do not want it

[empty hill]

this too much for most people and def the people who need to hear it

based rant tho

[wooden fjord]

I want a screen for navigation and that's it, so maybe touch would be nice but I couldn't care less about a bunch of different apps

[drifting skiff]

Many such cases lmao

Also I learned recently that the numbers cited for the "male loneliness epidemic" are from fucking covid

[neon nexus]

What numbers?

[wooden fjord]

Oh is the r-word a no-no word

I'm very sorry mods, thank you for the unmute though

[wooden fjord]

I've always hated "dark humor," I will never physically be able to comprehend how things like terrorism or sexual assault are even remotely funny

There we go

[drifting skiff]

See dark humor is supposed to be about suffering you're going through

Like it is a thing, but isn't supposed to be "haha you got lifelong trauma"

[wooden fjord]

Yeah I was gonna say that too, I usually use self-deprecating humor about my own mental struggles but don't understand why you'd ever make fun of someone else for theirs

[drifting skiff]

Often cited stat is 15% of men have no close friends, despite both men and women having similar rates of loneliness (within a percent of each other)

[wooden fjord]

Like damn they're already struggling enough, do you really need to pile on more?

[neon nexus]

That seems like a very hard stat to meaningfully track

[wooden fjord]

It is

[drifting skiff]

Like everyone is lonely. It's like people saying "but what about men's mental health??" When women attempt 3 times more than men

[drifting skiff]

I mean it's a survey so people say they feel lonely or they don't like....

[neon nexus]

It doesn’t have to be a competition, spinning it this way helps no one

[pallid shoal]

Some people don't have a filter when they think of a joke in poor taste and they just have to say it, and a subset if them think it's everyone else's problem it wasn't well received

[drifting skiff]

Agreed! It makes no sense

[wooden fjord]

It's just based on surveys and estimates. From what I've heard men are at ~16% and women are at ~15% for "lonely all the time" so uhhhh Everyone is lonely

[drifting skiff]

I agree it's not a competition. Just it's not helpful when we try to approach things and men start screaming "WHAT ABOUT OUR ISSUES" and then do nothing about them. Like y'all can act on your own issues too ya know?

[wooden fjord]

I think the men's side just gets talked about more because usually their more emotional societal issues aren't really spoken about and people are trying to be better about that

[drifting skiff]

My issue is that it hits an "all lives matter" moment where it gets brought up almost exclusively when women say they have issues

[neon nexus]

I don’t think it’s untenable to expect progressives to also help men out

[drifting skiff]

Progressives want to help everyone.... that's what the UBI and Universal Healthcare is for....

[wooden fjord]

🤷
There's a lot of toxic gender wars stuff on social media though so I usually just completely ignore all of that. It's always going to be an Olympics of Suffering

[drifting skiff]

Feminism talks about how men are also chained by our system and culture...

[neon nexus]

But when men ask for help the response is usually some snide remark or to kick the can back to the people complaining. Do we not see how that isn’t something people would view as unhelpful?

[drifting skiff]

I feel like you're complaining about the response to a whataboutism

Women say "hey we get hired significantly less when the employer can see that we have a women's name" and people run in saying "but men's mental health is bad!!" Like yes but what the fuck does that have to do with what we just said

[neon nexus]

That’s not what I’m referring to

[pallid shoal]

I think men are just socialized to believe their agency is supposed to have potency (get results) so they whine about it when going out a couple times doesn't result in life long friendships while women are taught they don't have any expectation of agency so they believe complaining just makes them more likely to remain lonely

Very very broadly

[drifting skiff]

I agree. There's also an aspect of men sort of being trained into not really doing anything for themselves socially(?) I've just noticed guys not really chasing after friendships and just kind of sitting on potential connections

There's one super specific example of this but there was a workplace where the women would throw a women's appreciation day party and the guys set a men's appreciation day in the office and got upset when there wasn't a party for them. They were upset the women didn't throw them a party but they didn't fuckin do anything to get themselves a party

Women notably cannot help men out of the struggles given to them by men and that's part of the problem

We're not fucking listened to nor taken seriously

Men beating each other into submission? How tf are we gonna stop that??

Like I want everyone to be take care of! Everyone to get therapy!

[wooden fjord]

Who is asking women to solve the male loneliness epidemic

[pallid shoal]

Listen to the elephants and dolphins: leave men out of civilized adult society because they cannot handle it

[drifting skiff]

Fucking every time I see people talking about forwarding women's rights people respond with "well what about men's rights?" While doing nothing for it

[ornate mango]

😅 I hate when men get generalized, the activity of the few doesnt determine how we move as whole. There are many cases of women getting salty at men having get togethers like football watch parties for example but we dont say hey yall should just have a book night. Too much divide between men/women activities when we should focus on growth as a unit

[neon nexus]

No one but the toxic actors we should ignore

[ornate mango]

^^

[neon nexus]

People use them as an excuse to not discuss men’s issues at all

[pallid shoal]

Unsurprisingly, men who completely lack self awareness

[drifting skiff]

It's about trends and patterns. I'd love to not generalize but holy shit the whole group makes it hard

[neon nexus]

There’s a lot of back and forth based around the worst of both sides that’s really curbing any potential good anyone could do here

[wooden fjord]

This is all just falling into gender wars and propagating the negativity that causes a lot of these problems

[ornate mango]

the thing is most Quality men arent fussing online or even showing this on a daily but the little actors thats being toxic on purpose gets highlighted as the norm

[drifting skiff]

I'm talking about assault statistics....

[ornate mango]

we went from office parties to assault ?

[drifting skiff]

I'm talking about men deflecting from bigger issues. So yeah kind of

That's my issue with touting the male loneliness epidemic and I was on board with wanting to fix it until I learned that we're all fuckin lonely and there's just more infighting being bred

[neon nexus]

And this is exactly why a lot of men don’t feel represented by feminism

[stuck aurora]

Who's excited for Black Ops 7? 😄

[drifting skiff]

I would be more okay with "they're just bad actors online" when I know multiple men's rights activists irl and they suck

[pallid shoal]

Part of the difficulty discussing things online is it's often people reacting to the worst people's worst takes and that flattens the discourse

[drifting skiff]

Because the problems advertised as specifically men's problems are everyone's problems?

[neon nexus]

I’m sure there are some men that know feminists that are just man haters, this works every which way you want to view it

[drifting skiff]

I agree, that's part of what's happening

[wooden fjord]

Men and women are equally shitty. For every "but what about men's rights I hate women" comment there's a "men don't have emotions and should die" one. It's best to get together and work on our issues as a group rather than shoving each other away and treat them as the Other. Most of this is just manufactured hate to keep people distracted from actually fixing problems

[neon nexus]

Progressives view most societal issues as issues impacting everyone, and the changes necessary to fix them being something everyone should fight for as it would provide a better society to us all. Why does that stop at men?

[vernal rain]

I bet you guys never even considered Dr Pepper could be a women

[drifting skiff]

It doesn't. Again feminist theory also includes men

[drifting skiff]

I have

[pallid shoal]

You might imagine women don't appreciate having their discussion of their real and present issues interrupted by a clown saying "but what about MEEEEE" without having been invited or bothering to even orient in the years of discourse

[drifting skiff]

I have to push back hard on that one

[vernal rain]

🤝

[neon nexus]

I’ll once again say, no one has defended that

[drifting skiff]

Especially when every fucking aspect of a woman's life was coopted and decided by men. Like the degree to which the birthing process was made infinitely worse by men taking it over because they thought they knew better than midwives who had been doing it since the dawn of fucking humanity is insane

[neon nexus]

Feminist theory and feminist action are different ideas

[pallid shoal]

Like I don't expect hardcore Risk players to stop and teach me the rules in the middle of a tournament

[drifting skiff]

That's why there's pushback. You're not putting those two together

[neon nexus]

There’s bad actors on both sides. There are man haters that consider themselves feminists, should I no longer support feminism?

If the answer is different from yours regarding bad male actors, we have a problem

[drifting skiff]

Did you ever ask why they don't trust men in the slightest

[lucid bane]

You can just block and it auto blocks their messages which is a great function by discord fyi.

for anyone not interested in this massively off-topic rant

[drifting skiff]

I know why the men are men's rights activists and I know why the women are man haters and I'm a lot more sympathetic to "I've been assaulted multiple times and can't go out alone at night"

[neon nexus]

You can’t treat groups differently and expect the same response from both

[wooden fjord]

To be fair there hasn't been any Marathon news for months. Not really anything to talk about and there's no Off-Topic channel

[drifting skiff]

This can go both ways, dude

[pallid shoal]

Being dense is not an argument

[drifting skiff]

Being dense is the defense currently...

[neon nexus]

Of course it can, but I’m not defending anyone being toxic here

[drifting skiff]

This feels like you don't want to listen to women on these things because they're "mean" when talking about systemic issues but want to defend the guys who get their feelings hurt when they don't know shit about fuck in this department

[drifting skiff]

Oh that was an instablock on my part just off the pfp

[lucid bane]

This is a Kobayashi Maru situation. I wouldn't engage at all. Anyhoot. You're right, @wooden fjord I hope they release something soon... The trailer was good. Made me join the Discord.

[flint sedge]

yeah and there are men that do horrible things to women, does this mean I get to hate men?

[neon nexus]

Thinking we should also hear men’s voices doesn’t mean we should shout down women’s in any way

[drifting skiff]

That's my point. I welcome men advocating for themselves where they need support. The entire basis of the men's rights movement is to shout down women

[wooden fjord]

I was assaulted by a woman and cheated on by a woman. Does that mean I should hate all women?

[neon nexus]

And I’ve never defended MRAs

[flint sedge]

You're either being deliberately dense or not understanding what I'm saying/replying too

[drifting skiff]

That's what I've been talking about with people shouting about the male loneliness epidemic. It's the same shit just repackaged

[neon nexus]

Hearing them and considering them part of your community in the same way as everyone else’s are very different ideas

[drifting skiff]

Especially when I don't want to!

[flint sedge]

A lot of the mens rights movements is borne from "men have it worse", if men ACTUALLY engaged in a "hey this is a shit thing for men" instead of "WELL YEAH WOMEN HAVE THIS BUT MEN GET IT TOO" they'd be taken a whole lot more seriously, and it's unfortunate that men struggle to make their own movements without being on the coattails of women

[drifting skiff]

Like a lot of male rights movements are having issue with perceived loss of power which is literally necessary in the path to equality. You cannot get two people on the same footing without the dominant group being lowered to be on par

[flint sedge]

ok

[neon nexus]

I never assumed any of this happens in a vacuum, there a lot of delicate ideas here that need to be discussed and can’t be solved by trying to wave the issues away

[drifting skiff]

It feels like there is....

I agree here tho

Kinda feels like Nathan is with butting in about "source??" when I shared data I found

[wooden fjord]

Welp

[neon nexus]

I just wondering what data, the conversation spiraled after that

[drifting skiff]

In short. Data showing that loneliness is felt at similar rates. Women attempt at 3 times the rate of men. Men have fewer close friends but are largely more content with that than women.

[flint sedge]

God I'm so tired of the whole "well what about paternity leave?!" as if feminism hasn't actually done MASSIVE work for increasing paternity leave across the globe (when the conversation is brought up about men helping more with newborn babies)

[drifting skiff]

Women are actually more lonely during college than men which is a fun addition

[sour cairn]

well now i feel sad that im missing all the fun

[flint sedge]

I was just clearing notifs and ended up here T.T lmao

[neon nexus]

Feminism has long said it’s for men as well, this idea has dwindled in recent history but pre-Covid there was a big push for how it helped more than women. I don’t necessarily agree with this ideas as it should be part of a broader movement but that’s likely where some of it comes from

[drifting skiff]

Like yeah men have less emotionally deep connections but studies also show men on average value that less

[drifting skiff]

Why would it not help women more? Women need more help

[neon nexus]

I never said it wouldn’t help women more, I also explicitly said I don’t agree with the idea

[sour cairn]

yeah i feel like the name feminism naturally implies it focuses more on women

the argument being that it helps men too is really true about any inequality movement, getting rid of inequality in one area of hate improves life for us all

[drifting skiff]

I guess my point is emphasizing that line of thought is stupid. So much is borne from it

[sour cairn]

feminism doesnt owe men any special focus in the movement bc this movement is about women bc not every movement needs to focus on everything in the world

[flint sedge]

Also, why the fuck have we gotta justify it's to help men too? Like does it REALLY have to benefit men for them to see some form of purpose to it beyond it helping women.

It's like the whole "well think of your mother/sister" as if men would only(and do only) give a shit if it's personal to them

[sour cairn]

yeah

[flint sedge]

Sorry I'm rambling and half a bottle of wine deep, I'll just lurk and emote 🙂

[drifting skiff]

I mean agreed, the argument is always to make it personal because otherwise people just magically lack empathy

[proven kernel]

I don’t look for 45 minutes….

[neon nexus]

I agree, these men should focus more on progressives than feminists specifically

[drifting skiff]

Sorry butaneeee

[wispy spindle]

Bruh what are y'all arguing about now

[drifting skiff]

Women :)

[sour cairn]

when will pride events focus more on the real oppressed minority, cishet men

[wispy spindle]

what about them

[sour cairn]

which is pretty much what you're arguing here for nathan but for feminism

[drifting skiff]

that like....

[sour cairn]

i think anyways idk i just joined in for the fun 5 mins ago

[neon nexus]

My point has always been more about progressivism as a whole

I think it’s abundantly clear we aren’t speaking to men in a way that works

[drifting skiff]

I started this saying the male loneliness epidemic is manufactured and in reality men and women are usually equally lonely

[sour cairn]

if it doesnt work then those men are clearly long gone down a hateful pipeline lol

[drifting skiff]

I think the best method of spread is for men to speak to other men sincerely, but alas I gave up my ability to do that to chase that sweet sweet high of not being taken seriously

[sour cairn]

the right owns the media space with giant personalities like shapiro and rogan dominating short form content algorithms targeted at teenagers

[wispy spindle]

yeah but there is significantly more effort to help women than men, because men are not nearly as good at communicating issues

[drifting skiff]

god I got talked over recently by a guy about how the inner ear works and I'm literally a biomedical engineer and he said "yeah no I learned this in AP psych" like mf I took a class on auditory biomechanics

[drifting skiff]

also because many societal issues disproportionately affect women.

[neon nexus]

Which is partially why the “let men speak to/for other men” isn’t working. The people speaking to men are the exact people we don’t want doing that

[wispy spindle]

Men don't like being vulnerable and would rather suffer for some reason

[drifting skiff]

hasan my beloved

[sour cairn]

i dont watch hasan but from what ive seen hes cool ig

[drifting skiff]

because societally that's what they're trained into :3

[neon nexus]

We still have issues with society telling men a lot of times to internalize those feelings

[sour cairn]

all ik is that some of my gay friends have been sad for a while that hes straight i think

[drifting skiff]

also testosterone makes it harder to feel depth of feeling....

[neon nexus]

Bro what 💀

[drifting skiff]

I've been on both! I can say that lmfao!

[sour cairn]

she not wrong

[neon nexus]

There’s no scientific evidence behind the idea that testosterone has any real impact on the “depth of feeling” men have

[drifting skiff]

Going on estrogen opened up such a broader spectrum of emotion and it works the other direction too

[proven kernel]

Society doesn’t like men asking for help. Everyone needs to get over the internalized “weakness” of needing or wanting help.

[neon nexus]

100%

[drifting skiff]

there is scientific evidence towards testosterone increasing violence in punching down socially

[sour cairn]

anyone else an andrew tate fan

[drifting skiff]

also estrogen lets you see more acuity in color which is cool

[proven kernel]

Only you!

[sour cairn]

shame... i thought we had more alphas here

[neon nexus]

Test can increases certain feelings, how those are channeled is up to the individual

[sour cairn]

hehe test like testes

[vernal rain]

I thought I’d get invited to more alphas 😞

[neon nexus]

This idea that men are biologically wired to feel less emotion is absolutely wild to me

[wispy spindle]

political influencers are the worst on both sides

[drifting skiff]

I'm going off of an actual studies that was done on primates and subsequently humans. Increasing testosterone increased aggression specifically to those deemed as lower on the social scale

[neon nexus]

It feels very demeaning at the end of the day to assume that I can’t feel emotions as well because I’m a man

[wispy spindle]

got any on hand?

[drifting skiff]

and I could be wrong on that one! It's based off of personal experience of both trans men and women

[wispy spindle]

i like peer reviewed literature

[neon nexus]

Letting the right frame how we handle man related issues is exactly why we are losing men

[wispy spindle]

letting infuencers tell people what to think and how to feel is the issue

society has lost critical thinking capabilities

[vernal rain]

the real issue is not enough marathon playtests

[kindred vigil]

@grok what they talking abt

[drifting skiff]

yeah lemme find em, I think I may be oversimplifying. Testosterone increases prosocial behaviors for increasing social status. In a society that glorifies aggression, it increases aggression. If society glorified charity more, testosterone would increase giving
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1608085113

[wispy spindle]

women weightlifters exist

working out releases endorphines regardless

[neon nexus]

I can easily get behind the idea that we may value different emotions, I can’t get behind the idea that we lack the capability to feel these emotions less or more

[drifting skiff]

I'd argue women tend to lift less for social reasons. I can't really cite my own opinions there because I specifically lifted to play the role of a guy harder but that didn't get me very far

[wispy spindle]

yes I am aware of this, I am talking about testosterone decreases feelings

[drifting skiff]

again, that could be a social thing. Trans women often report feeling more after receiving estrogen, trans men report it being harder to cry after T

even when I cycle my hormones differently I notice different emotional effects.

[wispy spindle]

Talking about marathon in #🗣marathon-general-chat? not on my watch

[weary mantle]

nerf void

[wispy spindle]

probably more of how individuals react to variations of their hormones and not how all men and all women react to such things

[drifting skiff]

it's incredibly difficult to separate the social from biologic. My point is that there are trends, not two points of data. The spectrum of traits from men to women is just that, a spectrum.

[quartz abyss]

they r talking abt cheese

[drifting skiff]

women don't do bodybuilding as much. idk testosterone makes working out feel better ime

[neon nexus]

Why should I believe that? Bioessentialism isn’t something I really believe in

[drifting skiff]

it's less bioessentialism and more recognizing hormones do specific things

[wispy spindle]

yes but correlation does not equal causation. there are a myriad of reasons there might be a perceived difference, I am saying I don't think men feel less feelings biologically

[wispy spindle]

🧀

[neon nexus]

They do, but I very much doubt anyone’s ability to feel emotions unless they have something else going on

[drifting skiff]

Ig my point is that there is an emotional gap. Whether I noticed and increase going on estrogen or a decrease because I went off of testosterone, I'm not sure. What I am saying is that even within a single person you can tell differences in behavior based off of hormone levels

bioessentialism isn't a thing but hormones affecting us in different ways most certainly is

we are in fact foam driven by weird lil particles in our bodies

[drifting skiff]

I feel like I'm saying "women tend feel a greater depth/range" and you're saying "men can feel things obviously"

that's two different arguments

[neon nexus]

I’m saying basing this on a persons gender isn’t an agreeable idea

[drifting skiff]

that's why I was using the hormones and not the gender

[wispy spindle]

we are saying men feel the full depth and range of emotions. Hormones probably affect how emotions are expressed but they don't make someone feel less emotions

[sour cairn]

awawa

[drifting skiff]

I'm not saying there are no societal effects at play. I'd argue they're responsible for the majority of the difference

[sour cairn]

i mean t made me feel less emotions #woke

[stuck aurora]

I thought you bark

[drifting skiff]

it's hard to have a study because it's difficult to ethically give people different hormones lmfao

[drifting skiff]

I'm just saying we don't know and I'm citing a frequently discussed point in the only group that has experienced both hormones

[neon nexus]

Hormones or gender doesn’t really change my point

[drifting skiff]

unless you do it to yourself :)

and again, I know. I'm a biomedical engineer I took multiple ethics courses on this shit lmao

are you saying me taking hormones is self harm?

[sour cairn]

oh my

[wispy spindle]

yes but anecdotal is not empirical and could be entirely based off a perceived placebo effect of how they think they should feel

[flint sedge]

Dosing yourself with hormones isn't selfharm?!

[wispy spindle]

self experimentation can be

[flint sedge]

like unless you're deliberately doing it at levels not recommended by anyone

[stuck aurora]

Not doing it prevents all risk

[drifting skiff]

I agree wholeheartedly! I just think I'm pushing back on the notion that men and women are the exact same with the exact same things going on in their bodies. I'm staunchly anti-bioessentialist but do recognize that what you have in your body does things. That doesn't excuse people being violent but there are factors at play there

[drifting skiff]

it can be, but also you can just be curious. I feel like we're making self harm way too broad of a topic

[flint sedge]

not doing what?

[drifting skiff]

of what?

[stuck aurora]

you're smart you can read

[flint sedge]

No I think you should explain your point to me because I don't understand the point you're making. There's a lot of things that can be settled on from that one sentence

[neon nexus]

There’s probably a lot of men that would benefit from higher levels of T

[drifting skiff]

Yeah, every group will most likely benefit from HRT at some point

[stuck aurora]

I think playing with the cards you have is always better than risking it with cards you don't

[somber nest]

@stuck aurora please explain it to chat so we all can laugh

[sour cairn]

uh

[flint sedge]

Because I've had my tubes tied, which means I have to dose myself with hormones. Are you saying that's wrong and I should suffer because of something that's wrong with me genetically? Because that sounds like that's what you're saying

[drifting skiff]

Don't get chemo, your cancer is meant to be part of you

[neon nexus]

That’s entirely dependent on T levels. Too low and life becomes miserable

[stuck aurora]

one's a disease

[drifting skiff]

can confirm, having low hormone levels fuckin sucks

[stuck aurora]

extreme points do be extreme I agree

[flint sedge]

Go on answer me, am I not allowed to give myself estrogen because I almost died?

[fringe ferry]

When you're speaking in card game metaphors you leave a lot of room for interpretation here...

[somber nest]

Buddy where did you get your medical degree from

[fringe ferry]

Why do you guys never just say what you mean? It's always 2 or 3 word questions and we're supposed to infer the point

[drifting skiff]

so transition bad beacuse it's different from what you were born with?

[sour cairn]

tab i had no idea u were unwoke i feel actually betrayed u get ur sophie card revoled

[stuck aurora]

blood clots, infertility, cardiovascular and many other issues

[flint sedge]

I'm still waiting. You told me I was smart, and could read, and then I ask you a question and you ignore me When I asked for clarification

[drifting skiff]

blood clots was already disproven, infertility is a personal decision, cardiovascular risk is consistent with high risk groups regardless of hormones

[sour cairn]

blood clot risks are just what estrogen does naturally lol women have higher risk of blood clots compared to men bc of that

[vernal rain]

I think you guys are missing a very important fact here: Boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider; girls go to college to get more knowledge

[stuck aurora]

I can't answer you I feel like you'd throw a tantrum

[drifting skiff]

nah the often cited blood clots is actually from studies done on supplemental progestins and previous birth control. Parenteral estradiol doesn't increase clot risk

[flint sedge]

explains why I take estrogen "I feel like you'd throw a tantrum!!" is an INSANE take ngl

[sour cairn]

i stand corrected the risk is just nonexistent compared to functionally nonexistent

[stuck aurora]

literally proving my point

[drifting skiff]

trans people do have higher risks of cardiovascular events but again, it's near impossible to control for being a targeted and oppressed group

[flint sedge]

Honey if you think this is someone throwing a tantrum I worry for your emotional intelligence

[stuck aurora]

whatever it is you want to do always comes with risks

[lilac glacier]

hello guys what is a trans person i like marathon bungie

[drifting skiff]

can you just say what you're thinking

[lilac glacier]

i am 5 minutes old and i love marathon bungie

[sour cairn]

i feel like me being on stock hardware would bring the risk of me never feeling happiness in my life ever so i think thats a good tradeoff with 100% reversible infertility

[fringe ferry]

They aren't thinking, that's the issue

[drifting skiff]

trans people cool and pretty

[flint sedge]

I don't want to take estrogen. I have to

[drifting skiff]

honestly fair

[lilac glacier]

that is awesome have you ever heard of gummy worms they are so yummy

[stuck aurora]

yea, and I said earlier that I agree that some cases are extreme

[sour cairn]

kris from deltarune

[drifting skiff]

gummy bears in ice cream

[lilac glacier]

what is deltarune have you ever eated a chocolate bar

[flint sedge]

But my case wasn't extreme? It was a very normal health care thing to have done for someone with my illness

[stuck aurora]

"I almost died" sounded pretty extreme to me

[flint sedge]

People "almost die" from having appendicitis, but it's not an "extreme" surgery

[sour cairn]

yeah and would probably be more if made more accessible cause menopause sucks

butane is that you

[neon nexus]

Damn that’s a lot of deleted messages

[flint sedge]

I deleted my messages because they deleted theirs >_> and I'm nervous

[hollow sleet]

hard for me to find how long the servers are down... is there a site or something?

[stuck aurora]

can't have talk points in marathon-general-chat 😔

[drifting skiff]

nah, we don't know yet

[drifting skiff]

idk I don't think saying trans people do self harm by transitioning is much of a good talking point

[sour cairn]

speaking of talk points ur talk points r really uninformed

[stuck aurora]

wrong person

[sour cairn]

what

[stuck aurora]

educate me

[flint sedge]

I mean I tried and you told me it seemed like I was throwing a tantrum

The information is on the internet, be a reader in communities and learn

[sour cairn]

the risks with trans care are either pretty normal health risks with any medical procedure or complete null and void risks from the times when hrt wasnt bioidentical

[flint sedge]

there's a lot of people who are openly willing to give you the information for your education so long as you're not a dick about it

[stuck aurora]

these topics are more niche whee i'm from, almost non-existant

[sour cairn]

or are personal decisions like infertility that nobody should care about bc they are personal decisions

its really weird to focus on the fertility of strangers

[drifting skiff]

yeah infertility being brought up for us is kind of annoying. Like yeah we can preserve what we want but the argument is "fertility goes away and that's bad so transition should stop" instead of maybe "hey how can we help fix this problem and support trans people"

[flint sedge]

are you on fbook or redit? there's a lot of trans education on those forums if you join the right groups ❤️ I promise so long as you're not abrasive people have allll the time in the world for education

[drifting skiff]

like we can make gametes from skin tissue, I'm not super worried about it

[drifting skiff]

same goes for the cardiovascular risk. It's never "god I wonder how we can fix this while achieving transition care!" it's just "there's risk so don't do it"

[flint sedge]

as someone who is infertile, people assume it's BECAUSE of the hormones, and not that I got the hormones because I'm now infertile LMAO

[stuck aurora]

neither on fbook nor reddit, but thanks i'll consider it

[drifting skiff]

literally lmao

[tepid bane]

What's the topic we're discussing today?

[drifting skiff]

also hormones didn't make me infertile, it was the surgery

[stuck aurora]

life

[neon nexus]

Many different political topics

[drifting skiff]

trans people and women :3

[wispy spindle]

Its heated right now

[tepid bane]

What does that have to do with Marathon?

[drifting skiff]

was more heated, I think it's cooled down a lot

[stuck aurora]

yea it's 41°C outside

[neon nexus]

absolutely nothing

[drifting skiff]

Why would we talk about marathon here?

[sour cairn]

there hasnt been any marathon news in months there is nothing to talk about boss

[tepid bane]

This seems like a good place to talk about Marathon.

[wispy spindle]

there has it is just not here

[sour cairn]

if its under nda its not news

[stuck aurora]

robots don't have gender beep boop!

[flint sedge]

I told my friend about the conversation I was involved in because he could hear me hmming and ahhing about the comments, and he went "aha, you mean "trans-winning" right?" So if I had to suffer through it so do you :3

[tepid bane]

Are biomata robots?

[drifting skiff]

there's just not a whole lot to talk about so we just kinda talk about whatever. Plus it has the added benefit if you just say the word trans, trans people come out of the woodwork and get banned

[stuck aurora]

do you consider your blood blue

[wispy spindle]

nope

[drifting skiff]

They're cool and weird

[tepid bane]

That seems provocative! I'd rather just talk about video games here.

[wispy spindle]

You'd think

[tepid bane]

I'm not silicone based!

[stuck aurora]

sounds like something a silicone based person would say

[flint sedge]

if you can't have one made of skin, store bought is fine :3

[wispy spindle]

Biomata are horeshoe crabs confirmed?

[tepid bane]

He's on to me.

[drifting skiff]

it in fact is! Yet idk somehow video games gets turned into that (like how putting a consciousness into a robot body is frequently a trans allegory and people don't like when that gets brought up)

[stuck aurora]

clankers among us

[kindred vigil]

Like among us the video game

[drifting skiff]

media we consume have themes that apparently piss people off

[stuck aurora]

stfu 🤣 🤞

[drifting skiff]

you're so right honey

[sour cairn]

if this convo is ending i wanna say tab please educate yourself, admitting to being uneducated after spreading hate is a really unhealthy thing for yourself

[tepid bane]

It doesn't have to! Most folks play games to escape from their daily drudgery.

[wispy spindle]

It is also frequently just a cool sci-fi thing so it doesn't always have to be provocative

[stuck aurora]

oi, I never said it was self harm, you got the wrong person

[drifting skiff]

And some of us try to escape but get put into chat rooms with people who are actively antagonistic to us! And when we try to bring it up we get told that we're being too political!

[tepid bane]

I usually disengage, as it can cause unwanted trouble. It's not worth it.

[wispy spindle]

-# then don't engage with them

[neon nexus]

Art, and video games by extension, will always be political after all

[drifting skiff]

I'd argue that most sci fi is inherently political and themes tend to be reused and recycled without care

[sour cairn]

famous apolitical game marathon where the central focus is capitalism fucking everything up

[drifting skiff]

Avoiding that trouble loses you people that are affected by that. Maybe why your server is distinctly lacking in queer people and still has zzz

[wispy spindle]

interestingly politics does not have to be provocative

[drifting skiff]

It usually is

[stuck aurora]

you should all consider watching asmongold for political reviews!!

[tepid bane]

Why pick a fight with me? I don't even know who you are.

[drifting skiff]

ah yes being exploited for our bodies and consciouness and being trapped in an endless cycle of bounty hunting and being bound to a body that costs you money is le heckin cool game

[drifting skiff]

Idk you kinda threw hands first saying it's weird that we're talking about what we're talking about here

[sour cairn]

no politics or deeper themes of any sort here

[kindred vigil]

Why is musica Lowkey so amazing and epically fire....

[wispy spindle]

Politics can easily be intriguing without being provocative

[tepid bane]

I said no such thing. I'm not going to engage with you if you're going to be rude.

[drifting skiff]

You wanted me in your server and I'm telling you why I'm not because of what you're talking about currently

[stuck aurora]

oh here we go

[drifting skiff]

even reached back out saying "hey what happened why aren't you in the server" like there's precedent here

[neon nexus]

Bait used to be believable

[sour cairn]

oh my

[stuck aurora]

can you settle in dms?

[tepid bane]

What a silly conversation.

[drifting skiff]

silly billy

[wispy spindle]

trying to fight with karnemir over this is really petty

[stuck aurora]

and I used to play Brawl Stars when I was a boy

[drifting skiff]

I barely even know who he is

[tepid bane]

Like I said, it's really not worth it.

[wispy spindle]

apparently asking for videogame discussion in the OFFICIAL discord server is just too much

[drifting skiff]

Just the overly positive "let's not argue guys!!" Is weird shit

[neon nexus]

If you want some discussion they need to drop some news

[stuck aurora]

that's your first lie, Felwinter's lie if you may

[drifting skiff]

Idk the conversation was over its just odd to come in and say "y'all are weird for talking about this here" is in itself weird like you just got here

[sour cairn]

enlightened centrism

[drifting skiff]

Literally, what the fuck are we gonna talk about? Waiting for the next playtest?

[stuck aurora]

I think we all need a break for a bit

a good stretch

[drifting skiff]

I've been stretching between messages ngl

[tepid bane]

I didn't call anyone weird.

[sour cairn]

im walking my dogs rn im good

[wispy spindle]

literally anything else to be honest

[kindred vigil]

my stummy hurt bru✌️💔

[tepid bane]

Hopefully we get some Marathon news soon. Battlefield just wrapped up a huge open beta.

[wispy spindle]

it was fun but a little dissapointing

[obsidian plover]

Wake up @stuck aurora

[sour cairn]

that about wraps up all we can say about marathon

[stuck aurora]

excited for more Arc Raiders news tbh

[wispy spindle]

they're catering to the Cod fans too much

[stuck aurora]

have been since bf4

[obsidian plover]

BF6 is closer to bf2/3

[stuck aurora]

been woke for a bit

[wispy spindle]

the UI looks blatantly CoD HQ

[obsidian plover]

I want pizza

[kindred vigil]

bf6 caters to battlefield people, hot take though idk if that's crazy....

[stuck aurora]

can we watch Dexter

[drifting skiff]

I miss bf1 I'm ngl

[sour cairn]

can we not talk about battlefield guys its political

[obsidian plover]

UI doesn't mean anything. Its also a beta.

[obsidian plover]

Blanket?

[drifting skiff]

war isn't political it's the cool shit that happens on my screen when watching transformers

[stuck aurora]

snuggles and all

[kindred vigil]

Hulu 💔💔💔✌️✌️✌️

[obsidian plover]

Modified.

Alright.

[sour cairn]

its very provocative please listen to me im the self inserting savior figure that doesnt read shit

[kindred vigil]

Which version of provocative are we using...

[obsidian plover]

My only grievance with BF6 was objectives, it's not the game tho. It's people rushing in like they are the main character hero and gonna save everyone. And that doesn't happen without teamwork.

[stuck aurora]

people forget battlefield's core is squad play

[drifting skiff]

yeah that's just the battlefield experience lol

[wispy spindle]

I hate the people that run in, die, then give up

[kindred vigil]

Oh buddy that happens in any game especially millsims unless it's a dedicated server with the most tryhard elites

Occasionally you get the servers that feel fun asl like movies

[drifting skiff]

also why does the for honor virtuosa look like a landsknecht but she's italian

[obsidian plover]

And then of course they immediately fold and burn a ticket after getting knocked out, with 389325234 medics around waiting for the point reviive

[obsidian plover]

Me yelling endlessly through the mic. "WHY TF DID YOU GIVE UP? I'M RIGHT HERE."

and then of course random gurgling noises of frustration when the match ends up in a failure, and i'm in top spot cos I just C4d the objective endlessly to farm kill bc no better option.

[wispy spindle]

I basically just run around with the defib and people giving up gets so annoying

[obsidian plover]

That's what I'm saaaaaying

[wooden fjord]

Damn what'd I miss

[wispy spindle]

I'll run into the open objective to revive and they give up when I am right there

[drifting skiff]

a good bit lol

[tepid bane]

Calm and collected talk about Marathon's bright future.

[wispy spindle]

nothing important

[obsidian plover]

"Ya, frig u too bro, thanks for burning a ticket." smdh

[kindred vigil]

In battlefield I just be a medic and revive folk #blssed 🤞🕊️💎