🗣marathon-general-chat

[unique citrus]

obliterate artists from orbit!!!!!

[pliant sky]

boo 👻 this game suck

👎

[wraith raptor]

Apparently, Sony has pulled all marketing plans for Marathon, and the official X account went from posting daily to complete silence after the livestream.

[sinful totem]

will probably get a pro bono lawyer, seems like a free win and a big one at that

[rough ocean]

Hello Concord 2 chat, how are we doing today, any steals?

[strong leaf]

ahjahjahjhjahja

[soft star]

Tutorial shows you how to make men pregnant

[rigid atlas]

How can I get access to closed alpha?

[trim summit]

by going back in time

[soft star]

You are 3-4 weeks late

[small quarry]

At this point Sony should just dissolve Bungie

[mystic dagger]

that's more dependent on Edge of Fate and Renegades success than Marathon.

i don't think destiny will ever see Launch Lightfall or even Final Shape numbers ever again

[small quarry]

Destiny should of stopped after shadow keep.

[mystic dagger]

but the destiny IP is being equally bastardized post Final Shape and I wonder what Sonys plan will be if the upcoming two expansions don't prove successful

[mystic dagger]

it just got the most critically acclaimed expansion in its history. The problem is the management is terrible and a ton of the talent who worked on the game left after final shape

[golden viper]

I can’t begin to describe the amount of disgust I had when Bungie dug Marathon name from the grave

Just to parade its corpse as some soulless money-grubbing excuse to hop on some love service trend

[mystic dagger]

I don't buy that Marathon would've been successful as a single player game either. It is not a big enough IP and Bungie doesn't have the goodwill to have it stand on its own.

the only way it could've possibly been successful is making it a live service, there's no denying that.

[small quarry]

Critically acclaimed being your point there, who actually listens to critics any more? They sun set content after content, weapon after weapon. Then re release it months down the line and new content. You need to pay for dungeon keys on top of paying for expansions, oh and you need to purchase the season pass for the new content.

[mystic dagger]

the problem is that they've done quite possibly everything you could do wrong

[mystic dagger]

nothing has been sunset since Beyond light. Not sure what you're on about.

I think what needs to happen is Bungie itself is dissolved and Sony redistributes their IPs to different devs

it's what I think needs to happen to Halo too. 343 should not exclusively be making halo.

oh sorry, I meant halo studios. ffs.

[rough ocean]

The only ones left in Destiny are the ones that cant let it go, the ones that are stuck in one game. No new blood pours into it anymore and the steam ccu peak at 40-70k when something new drops, and then back to 20-30k.

[mystic dagger]

you'd be surprised. New people still come in. the problem is they don't stay because the new player experience is about as bad as it could be. Warframe is one of the only games I can think of that does it worse in that regard, but at least Warframe is free. Destiny is absurdly expensive and incoherent in what you do and don't need to buy, but it's just an absolutely impossible game to catch up in.

[opaque night]

plagiarism will make me god

[golden viper]

Bro a single player game from the makers of Halo would have been successful. If the devs had actual creative freedoms to make an awesome sp reboot it would do well

[mystic dagger]

I loved final shape, but seeing their plans post final shape has completely deflated my desire to ever play the game again. The echoes have been a disaster and I couldn't care less about starwars crossovers

[rough ocean]

yeah, ive been away from 1,5 year and there is no way i can catch up from what i missed, its a total mess.

[mystic dagger]

"the makers of halo" Bungie is a husk of what it was even 3 years ago. They don't have the goodwill to have a single player IP be successful

almost none of the talent from even destiny's launch is still there, let alone halo.

[golden viper]

If the ground floor devs had a good director and weren’t hindered by management, they would make a killer sp game

[mystic dagger]

marathon is a relatively niche IP. it would not have gone anywhere as a sp game.

[mystic dagger]

I'm not denying that, but I'm saying there isn't a realistic reality where marathon was successful as a single player game. It's only shot was a live service.

[small quarry]

Another problem is that Marathon had it's closed beta at the same time as Arc Raiders which is superior in all sense

[golden viper]

A sci fi fps campaign from the makers of Halo. Ofc it would have appeal are you crazy

[mystic dagger]

there are no makers of halo. what part of that don't you get.

[halcyon nexus]

they long gone LOL

[mystic dagger]

Bungie does not have the positive reception or goodwill to be called that anymore. They are loathed by way too many people

[golden viper]

Do you think the ground floor devs are incapable? It’s clearly the management preventing them from reaching their potential to make a good game

[mystic dagger]

Bungie has faced endless controversy, has had falling outs with every publisher they've worked with. Bungie is not a well received studio anymore. They haven't been for a long time. Their name means nothing.h

[mystic dagger]

you are fundamentally misunderstanding what I'm saying. the devs aren't the issue. the problem is the name Bungie does not carry prestige anymore

you cannot slap their name on things like you once could and guarantee success

[small quarry]

That's by far the pont

[mystic dagger]

they're not like iD where they are guaranteed to make banger after banger

[small quarry]

If you slapped a different developer on marathon, that game would still be a flop

[golden viper]

You do realize people will still see what the game is. The problem with marathon isn’t that it’s not known, it’s that the players clearly don’t like it n

[halcyon nexus]

system shock and prey both did really well, it could have gone much differently

[small quarry]

I agree

[mystic dagger]

the new prey was effectively marketed as an entirely new IP and System Shock didn't do AAA numbers,which marathon would need to be successful

[golden viper]

Management is what is holding the studio back

[mystic dagger]

there wasn't a reality where Bungie could release a modern Marathon and have it be successful. it isn't because of their talent, it's because their brand name is in the gutter and Marathon is too niche to take off under anything other than the absolute best in the industry

[golden viper]

A single palter marathon that had no executive meddling would have done well

[halcyon nexus]

nah if done right it could have saved them people forget look at bethesda

[mystic dagger]

not under Bungie.

[halcyon nexus]

well yeah

[golden viper]

Well that’s cuz the company is fucked

[mystic dagger]

I think even iD would struggle to make marathon take off

[golden viper]

I’m talking solely about the ground floor devs abilities

[mystic dagger]

but that's more because iD doesn't have any good writers

[halcyon nexus]

and doom isn't doing great either TBH

[mystic dagger]

ok but that's irrelevant. Bungie as a studio has a dead reputation and marathon was never going to be successful

[mystic dagger]

Dark Age is doing just fine. This same exact thing happened with Eternal

It has great reviews and the only reason sales are low is Gamepass

[halcyon nexus]

£70 is why mate

madness

[golden viper]

The whole mindset that obscure IPs can never become successful is so wrong: there once was a time where Monster Hunter, and Yakuza and Persona were niche

The problem is what Bungie did to marathon IP

[mystic dagger]

70$ has been shown to not affect sales. MHW sold unbelievably well

70$ is not why dark age didn't sell as much. It's gamepass. It's always gamepass with Microsoft now. Their games don't sell as much period.

[small quarry]

You're using Bungies name as an excuse here. They could of brought a very good extraction shooter to the market. Bungies development team are good. bungie is also very good at bringing and creating these Sci-fi worlds. It's predominantly down to management and its also probably down to Sony. Once you have the higher ups start chasing you for updates and pushing for end results that's when shit hits the fan and fuck ups happen. Don't forget these companies have KPI's and the development teams have unrealistic targets that need to be met.

[halcyon nexus]

noone wants to pay £70 for some boomer shooter mate it's insane mhw has a lot going on

i wouldn't pay 20 for that so im biased

[small quarry]

That's the issue with these AAA developers at the moment. They are in such a rush to release games that they fundamentally loose what players want in a video games.

[golden viper]

Marathon is the way it is because of the stupid management at Bungie

[wraith lark]

Whats the new hot button topic we are complaining about today?

[mystic dagger]

oh so you don't even know what these games look like lmao. the Doom reboots are absolutely nothing like the originals. I'm not even sure why you'd bother mentioning that.

[halcyon nexus]

i've played them

i've played all 4 games in question so...

[small quarry]

For example let's take a look at expedition 33. When the developers take their time on something they love and have fun with the gaming community will respond to that. And now that game which is made up of ex Unisoft employees is a front runner for game of the year.

[final peak]

Same shit new day. Screaming and crying about literally nothing.

[restive minnow]

Is doom a toxic masc game

[mystic dagger]

but that's my point. It doesn't matter how talented any of these people are, I agree Bungie has extremely talented people, the problem is that it's Bungie. the name Bungie. the modern perception of Bungie.

[final peak]

Manchildren angy about their toys.

[wraith lark]

Good, I was afraid things would get boring around here after things died down

[small quarry]

Not really, just having a discussion.

[solid tulip]

said it before and I'll say it again: Marathon is interesting for all the ways in which it's not Doom, you couldn't just do a doom 2016 to Marathon

[halcyon nexus]

defo not

[golden viper]

If Sonic team can salvage their reputation with Frontiers then so can Bungie

[mystic dagger]

Honestly my biggest issue with Marathon is it doesn't seem to be commiting to the art style as much as I thought it could've been. I cannot get down with how the game looks visually but I loved the early trailers and art before then

[halcyon nexus]

and extraction shooters struggle as is no idea who thought this would fly

[golden viper]

You 💯 could

[small quarry]

Have you seen or played arc Raiders? That games going to great

[wraith lark]

Marathon should have been a fucking VN, honestly.

[restive minnow]

A what

[mystic dagger]

Sonic is one of the biggest brands in the world that still sold very well even at their worst. They were carried by merch, and their comeback was largely because of the movies, not really frontiers.

[mystic dagger]

I desperately wish arc raiders was 1st person but other than that it looks absolutely incredible

[wraith lark]

This man doesn't know what a VN is, smh my head

[halcyon nexus]

yeah its doing ok but it wont last

[golden viper]

And Halo is considered one of the greatest IPs ever

[mystic dagger]

every halo game has sold extremely well yes. I think the moaning and whining about 343 is largely overblown.

[solid tulip]

Doom is about the act of shooting; Marathon is about being in a place and experiencing its story through the level design, the puzzles and the terminals

[restive minnow]

You cant just go around in the world and abbreviate everything. It doesnt work like that. Oh I had an ic today it was yummy. How stupid is that

[golden viper]

Okay and you can adapt what you described into a modern single player game seamlessly

[halcyon nexus]

i love extraction games but they just don't do well for long term. even tarkov who accidently made this genre is on life support making disgusting business moves to stay afloat

[mystic dagger]

Halo is such a hard one to compare anything to because absolutely nothing would ever come close to halo 3 again

[wraith lark]

we are talking about games in the game server, aren't we? I don't have to tell you what an RTS, FPS, MOBA, or TPS is...do I?

[runic bison]

who wanna hop on triathlon and play a round?

[elder rampart]

70k people left the discord damn

[runic bison]

what was the peak?

[elder rampart]

like 450k

[runic bison]

thats grim

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[solid tulip]

eh, they're also not giving alpha keys anymore

[small quarry]

Exactly, the game is fantastic, it had a great player base, nowadays it's very rare for developers to listen to their communities.... Instead they just take corporate greed

[restive minnow]

I understand those. Those are mainstream. I've never heard of VN though.

[runic bison]

embed fail

[runic bison]

oh yeah good point

[wraith lark]

A visual novel?

[restive minnow]

Oh visual novel

[golden viper]

Bungie making Visual Novel is like hell freezing

[elder rampart]

bro i’m getting so worried for this game, i have so much faith in giving it the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been hyped since 2023, i was in the alpha it wasn’t that bad like im starting to lose the hope man

[restive minnow]

Eww

[halcyon nexus]

i mean destiny 1's lore was all in text on the website irc

[golden viper]

You sound like such an open minded person 🙃

[restive minnow]

Stay strong bro

[restive minnow]

You just want pornographic stuff I get it. I dont judge, its just not for me

[elder rampart]

i’m trying my hardest but every video is how marathon is cooked every person says it’s cooked like i’ve never experienced this when this game isn’t at all that bad it just needs time and work and a hook

[runic bison]

i wont give up on this game I hope bungie doesnt either

[golden viper]

You thinking it’s all porn is just ignorant

[halcyon nexus]

they need to drop it tbh

[restive minnow]

Isnt it tho

[small quarry]

It's called herd mentality

[halcyon nexus]

the damage has been done nothing they can do will pull this back, not now

[golden viper]

Maybe don’t comment on stuff you’re not familiar with?

[runic bison]

"marathon is good and will be a nice game" -> no views

"new marathon situation is CRAZY! concord 2.0?" -> lots of views

[small quarry]

So we are just agreeing that Bungies now relying on the destiny's expansions to do well otherwise Sonys just going to dissolve them

[solid tulip]

the one thing I have faith in is that it can make a better argument for itself than the alpha did; at some point it's gonna have finished graphics and it's gonna show the full systems

[mystic dagger]

it will not be concord 2. thats ridiculous to believe.

[wraith lark]

Everyone likes a good trashfire.

[restive minnow]

Fair enough

[halcyon nexus]

no it will be worse LOL

[golden viper]

It will last a year, struggle to hit 1k players consistently , then be sunsetted

[solid tulip]

Bungie's failure with the reveal and the subsequent alpha is one of setting expectations, they just weren't clear enough that this shit isn't finished at all

[river forum]

How many romance paths are in Marathon?

[golden viper]

If your game isn’t finished after 6 years of development you are cooked

[restive minnow]

Visual novels more like virtuous naval-gazing. Amarite

[halcyon nexus]

the cgi trailer drew in alot of hype it could have been.... soimething

[main yarrow]

nice art theft lol

[golden viper]

Play Ace Attorney. It’s on steam, you might like it

[deep hatch]

Concord 2.0 plagiarism make me god

[sullen ridge]

honestly had they done destiny's formula again but with an extraction element like the division they would have made bank

[golden viper]

Def more interesting than whatever nonsense Bungie makes

[mystic dagger]

anyways play arc raiders and bring back TCF

[sullen ridge]

i will not be playing the voice actor theft game

[halcyon nexus]

this game will just serve as a spring board into games like arc hunt and tarkov lmao

[sullen ridge]

all the people insane enough to play tarkov already do

• i doubt many would be willing to pay 30 bucks + whatever the cheats cost to actually be competitive

[wraith lark]

gotta tactical goon larp with my CAG tanman set up

[sullen ridge]

idk i goon with my pals on tactical assault VR

[restive minnow]

This is interesting because I do wonder if Bungie feels like those games will be a springboard for their own game. If that's the case I am worried

[sullen ridge]

i have absolutely no interest in any of them and will be playing marahton at launch

assuming i finish my backlog in time

[restive minnow]

Sure but who is the audience for marathon. Only new players?

[deep hatch]

Nobody

[sullen ridge]

could ask the same for arc or the late cycle frontier

[deep hatch]

The game has no mechanics, no economy, not even normal quests, like an extraction shooter, it's already dead, and the plagiarism story killed it at the root

[restive minnow]

Fair enough

[sullen ridge]

i'll be playing it for the writing and the gunplay which has never disappointed me. even at the worst time in destiny the lore was still enjoyable

[halcyon nexus]

i stopped playing at the taken king some bs that was rehashes of the same enemies we'd been fighting for months

[magic rose]

I wonder if there's significant delay

[halcyon nexus]

"shadow version" zzzzzzzzzzz

[sullen ridge]

bro skipped peak 💔

[golden viper]

There is simply not enough content to justify 6 years of development and 40 dollars

[halcyon nexus]

true dat

6 years DAMN thats bad LOL

[sullen ridge]

i mean bungie isn't the biggest company and destiny took a lot to maintain. it's not unreasonable

[halcyon nexus]

not anymore they're not no

used to make games like oni

[golden viper]

I mean 😭

[carmine knot]

Thunderlord gang💪

[carmine knot]

Going by the reaction? AR hyped to the moon. Marathover is in the mud.

[sullen ridge]

screenshot this now, arc will be played by a few streamers and the usual edgelord complainers, they will be filtered and nobody will talk about it again but maintain a modestly sized playerbase exactly like the finals

[golden viper]

I think there is something we can all agree on

You can’t take good will or brand power for a studio for granted

Let’s be real, everyone here is maybe mid 20s to 30s. We all grew up on Halo

If a studio can’t put out good games consistently, that studio name is bound to mean nothing

[sullen ridge]

i'm old enough to remember a lot of similar discourse around destiny 1, i was there as a dumbass 12 year old playing the beta and just punching hive with my titan

[golden viper]

Think about if for a 20 year old kid who doesn’t play games often, does the name Bungie even mean any thing

[halcyon nexus]

nope

[rigid quartz]

they have though. D2 is not a dumpster fire. overall it is a good game. Bungie has not failed so far.

[golden viper]

This game needs teenager to play it, those are the people who have the time to even play a game like this: it’s cooked

[sullen ridge]

game studios definitely don't hold the brand power they once had. the only one left that has been consistently putting out bangers ever since he appeared on the map is kojima

[ember mountain]

I grew up on black ops 1 and 2

[rigid quartz]

respawn has a pretty strong household name too

[sullen ridge]

no they're fucking dead to me

[ember mountain]

Why???

[sullen ridge]

me when i hear respawn is like kid syndrome tearing down the poster of mr incredible

[golden viper]

They cancelled titanfall 3

[rigid quartz]

Kojima is for the older gamers crowd. My kid never show interest in playing mgs or death stranding.

[ember mountain]

There was never going to be a Titan fall 3 it was an extraction shooter

[halcyon nexus]

DICE too dropped the ball

[golden viper]

DS is liek an art house movie equivalent of a game. Def not for kids

[ember mountain]

Why would he show any interest in playing death stranding in the first place 🤣

[golden viper]

Oh I got one, I used to buy every platinum game ever, no I don’t

[sullen ridge]

AND shitted up apex legends (objectively the best iteration of the battle royale formula) by catering to twitch streamers, adding heroes that destroyed the battle royale element (seer) and ruining POIs to discourage ratting and letting octane mains jump in and speed up the progress of matches

[golden viper]

Maybe NG4 will be good idk

[ember mountain]

Delivery simulator

[golden viper]

Oof

[rigid quartz]

he mentioned studios names that has a strong brand among teens. And I said Kojima doesn't

[sullen ridge]

filtered by the first 10 hours award. death stranding is a masterpiece

[golden viper]

Kojima isn’t a studio

[halcyon nexus]

he has one though

[balmy oriole]

Wasn't it called Kojima Productions?

[halcyon nexus]

LOL

[rigid quartz]

It is lol it's called Kojima studio

[golden viper]

It’s clear he’s making weird shit rn that ain’t meant for mass appeal like Death Stranding. And power to him

[ember mountain]

You are so far behind seer was broken as fuck you can still play him but there’s no point and the Poi’s needed to be changed because everyone was dropping on the same locations

[rigid quartz]

MGS 4 was under Kojima Studio as well

[golden viper]

That was a division of Konami. The modern Kojima productions is different

[halcyon nexus]

mgs4 was konami

[ember mountain]

Oh yeah because they are usually for an on Insta likes quality of life and themes not necessarily crazy gameplay

[golden viper]

Tho a lot of people went with Kojima to form the studio

[ember mountain]

It’s because of its theme it’s still a delivery simulator at the end of the day, but the second one I heard we get a mix of both combat and delivery

[rigid quartz]

kids still play Apex and Warzone, they don't care about game studio anymore because so many games release on a weekly basis nowadays.

[golden viper]

Hmm

Maybe you are right

[ember mountain]

Or or or so many games that have come out recently have been shit

Dragons dogma 2

Dragon age

So ass

[rigid quartz]

because of the pressure to release asap. There's too much competition out there to spend 5 years developing a game and make it perfect. Unless whatever that studio release is groundbreaking.

[ember mountain]

True

There was a gentleman in here earlier saying that game needs to release sooner and if they can’t, that means they’re a bad company

Which I find very hilarious as people like him are part of the problem

[rigid quartz]

not true at all

[rigid quartz]

many sports game found the formula that works among teens/kids. My kid plays madden A LOT. And every year, he wants the new iteration. Which is a slightly enhanced iteration of the previous version of the game.

[halcyon nexus]

yup my step-daughter plays fornite fifa and shit

[rigid quartz]

that's why I am not mad at Bungie for releasing not so great games at launch and improving them with time. That's the best way to compete and beat the time constraint.

[golden viper]

Nah, you gotta factor indies. Kids have access to way more game studios

[halcyon nexus]

kids don't look at studios tbh

[golden viper]

Prob hard to remember than many

I was a huge fan of Capcom as a kid idk

Like I recognized the name and would buy any game they made

[halcyon nexus]

yeah i used to do the same with platinum games

[rigid quartz]

online game stores changed everything. Developers don't need to worry about distribution anymore.

[golden viper]

Plus, you can see streams of a game or watch reviews on YouTube to know that it’s good

[rigid quartz]

They just need to release Marathon. If it's good or bad the public will decide. They shouldn't can it because of "public opinion." The money has already been spent

[ember mountain]

They should do a remake of Dragon siege, 3 and overlord

[balmy oriole]

Yeah, I think it's unlikely that they'd have to close it down and refund everyone, and there's not a lot of things that could be worse than that

[rigid quartz]

you can only get mass refunds if the game has obvious technical issues. Which is not the case for Marathon.

[golden viper]

Kids may not care about studio names

But I think game workers do. I think Tassi’s article has done massive damage to Bungie’s appeal as an employer

No talented enough developers is going to want to work in this environment. Imagine being prevented from fixing a game by management. No one will put up with it

And with a Brain drain, the quality of games slip. Then the quality of the studio name slips in people’s minds

It means Jackshit how many past games you made that are classic

[balmy oriole]

Oh yeah that would turn into a problem where they'd only get new game developer graduates, and then they'd probably burn them all out with toxic workplace stuff and have to replace them

[rigid quartz]

You would be right in a different economy. It's tough out there for a game dev. They'd take the job. They need the check and the experience. And unlike other professions, no on know who they are. Unless you are the art director or CTO

[balmy oriole]

There's more people who have done a game development course or something and are looking for work, than there are jobs available in game dev

[sullen ridge]

it's only a delivery simulator if you're a barnacle who doesn't understand that in games the gameplay can be a supporting element to the story and not only vice versa

the story and message death stranding tells could not work without it's gameplay

it's like saying "i didn't play the last of us because i was put off by how violent and sad the gameplay is" no shit that is THE ENTIRE POINT

[rigid quartz]

So is Marathon releasing in September or not?

[halcyon nexus]

no way they make september release atm

[rigid quartz]

So after mid-raiders, borderlands 4 and GTA 6?

[halcyon nexus]

probs goes to 2026

[ember mountain]

It’s a delivery simulator

[golden viper]

There needs to be a book on Sonys failed live service push

[ember mountain]

“Mid”

[golden viper]

It would be so entertaining

[balmy oriole]

There's a lot of interesting stories about failed live service games

[ember mountain]

Should be yes

[ember mountain]

Also games canceled very close to launch

[golden viper]

Live service; the one genre where YouTube videos about them are more entertaining than the games themselves

[ember mountain]

Depends on the game

[golden viper]

Well, most of them

[balmy oriole]

When Anthem came out, that was a few months of live service mistakes that didn't really happen at the time
Who would've thought they would get worse

[ember mountain]

True

[sinful venture]

hi

[rigid quartz]

talking about yt videos. Why is Asmongold hating so much on Marathon? He is making weekly raige-baiting videos about it.

[golden viper]

Asmongold 🤮

[balmy oriole]

Eh he probably finds a topic and then talks about it because it's kinda like a job to him

[golden viper]

That’s what he does: he’s a cockroach

[magic rose]

Did they delay the game yet?

[balmy oriole]

I don't think they've announced a delay yet

[rigid quartz]

no

[magic rose]

Because it goes viral and it’s easy to join a hate train

[magic rose]

Oh

[golden viper]

I have a theory and I’ve heard rumblings about it

They don’t want to delay it because the maanagement want to push it out quickly so they can cash out their stock from the sony acquisition

[halcyon nexus]

bungie gonna lose a lot of money before then

[misty warren]

Let's be honest, it deserves the hate

[rigid quartz]

My theory is the heroes are what set most of the people off. It wasn't even the plagiarism.

[misty warren]

Good morning and don't forget that plagiarism will make you God

[rigid quartz]

it really doesn't.

[misty warren]

Oh no don't say that all the brainlets will say they're not heros 💀

[balmy oriole]

I don't know if people who weren't following Marathon even knew about the characters you play as

[misty warren]

It really does. Stolen art, alpha was in an awful state 5 months before launch, barely any content for what was going to be estimated a $40 game

[rigid quartz]

people are tired of heroes shooters. And the one familiar with Bungie games are used to character customization.

[misty warren]

They're all over the promo material 🤨

[hearty olive]

I'm not listening to a destiny fanboy who didn't get into the alpha share their "original" opinion about the state of the game. Just buy some D2 dlc so marathons budget can get upped.

[rigid quartz]

OKay chill out lol. If you're talking about me, I got access to the alpha on day1

[misty warren]

Nice bait

[balmy oriole]

Yes, but I don't think people who aren't following Marathon know much about them, I think more people know about the stolen art

[hearty olive]

I'm talking about Mr Hunter exotic helmet that I forgot the name to because I fell asleep after playing Hunter for 5 minutes

[misty warren]

As they should

[misty warren]

Nope not falling for it

[hearty olive]

Falling for what

[misty warren]

Been in this discord longer than you btw sit down rat

[hearty olive]

The destiny 2 marketing scheme? Sure

[rigid quartz]

They were not going to be the early adopters. When it comes to revenue the early adopters are crucial. they're the ones convincing the close followers to join.

[hearty olive]

Peep the roles.

[misty warren]

I don't understand your point because you don't have one

[hearty olive]

Ok so you're trolling

The game is getting extensively hated on and you're trolling

[misty warren]

Bait used to be believable

It's too early for your shenanigans

[hearty olive]

I'm really glad that people like you will fund marathon 2 for us and stick to destiny if you hate this game so much.

[rigid quartz]

Okay this my cue to exit this chat... the tone deaf discussions have started.

[misty warren]

It's not tone deaf it's literally bait and trolling because this discord is dead and the game is dead and there's nothing else to do in here

[hearty olive]

If you don't want to play the game then leave

[misty warren]

On burger you're dumb af

[hearty olive]

Are you being paid to call marathon bad?

[misty warren]

Again, been in this discord longer than you sweetie

[runic helm]

Anybody know if the game will be delayed?

[empty carbon]

...why would we know?

[misty warren]

No word yet but all promo plans being pulled indicates it's likely

[balmy oriole]

Nah, I don't think we know what they'll do with Marathon now

[hearty olive]

Who

[misty warren]

Hopefully overhaul it

[runic helm]

I hope they dont i wanna play that game

[misty warren]

It woulda been way better as a pve experience with maybe an extraction and other modes

[rancid pebble]

@ember mountain does pls dm him if u have any questions

[hearty olive]

They do not need to overhaul the game, it needs some tweaks and more content added and that's it. Please don't listen to these bad faith actors who haven't even played the alpha.

[runic helm]

Who are they?

[misty warren]

The bungie devs themselves didn't want this to be an extraction shooter, only the real fans know what this was supposed to be

[golden viper]

An overhaul would take a long time. At best; they could delay it for a year. But it may not be enough

[ember mountain]

Sony has canceled all the paid marketing for marathon

So it might be a delay

[hearty olive]

Destiny player wants marathon to be destiny 3 and is mad it won't be. Go back to grinding bounties.

[ember mountain]

Lmfaooo

[hearty olive]

If you get to level 200 you get a class ornament.

[nova crescent]

some boring pve game i guess

[hearty olive]

Only $10 towards marathon please

[misty warren]

Thats it's roots

[hearty olive]

Because of a Mac game that can't hold up after 20 years was a pve game that means marathon has to be too? Ok, dude.

Marathon is PvE, they just added another vP

[languid trail]

You just dont see the problem man

[misty warren]

I admit you're making it pretty difficult to not get sucked in to your obviously brain dead bait but still not gonna

[golden viper]

I want a game that isn’t designed to get my wallet

I want a game that works both as a campaign and as a multiplayer mode

I want local multiplayer

I want something made because the people making it were genuinely passionate about competitive FPS

I don’t want whatever rhe fuck this is. And frankly, what Destiny was

[hearty olive]

No I actually do because I played the alpha and had a slew of critiques.

[misty warren]

Thank fuck some sense in here

[languid trail]

That doesnt change anything when you think an extraction shooter is pve with a bit of pvp

[hearty olive]

That... Is literally what playing the alpha was like

[languid trail]

That shows theres flaws in the game and there should be more pvp hence it wont be an extraction shooter

[misty warren]

He's an obvious troll and rage baiter not worth engaging with

[languid trail]

He isnt a rage baiter thats the worst part he just doesnt understand the problem brah

[restive minnow]

What about pvevpvevpvevp

[golden viper]

Destiny IS the downfall of Bungie. It’s when they designed games as money grubbing platforms, and vaulted content that people paid for

[languid trail]

Im not bothered w this

[manic zephyr]

They legit just need to add a damn solos mode and proximity chat. Their own devs said it should have it and higher ups ignored it, and based on alpha feedback it's what most everyone requested

[golden viper]

Marathon is just the end result

[misty warren]

He has to be rage baiting otherwise he's the biggest dumbass I've ever seen

[languid trail]

Someone hasnt played destiny 1

[nova crescent]

i dont want another destiny pve game just do better pvp

[restive minnow]

MTX is the downfall of vidya games not games themselves

[golden viper]

I played destiny 2 and I think it’s hugely overrated

[hearty olive]

You guys haven't even played the game and are already saying it's dead. Where are you getting this information from? Oh wait you're just parroting what your favorite destiny YouTuber says to get views. Shocking.

[golden viper]

It’s a Skinner box disguised as a shooter

[ember mountain]

I don’t know who said it, but marathon was never going to be a PVE game. They literally announced it as a PVP game way before it was even in development.

[misty warren]

If destiny was overrated it would still have a much bigger playerbase

[languid trail]

Where did you get your info from that we havent gotten to play the game

[misty warren]

I think wow is overrated but it's still universally liked

[misty warren]

It's the rage baiter

[hearty olive]

It is. You can do raids, dungeons, and other unique content once but it turns into a skinner box the moment you've done everything a couple of times.

[nova crescent]

u dont have the discord role xdd

[languid trail]

Destiny 2 is a different story, destiny 1 pioneered. Destiny 2 was an amazing game up until lightfall when the microtransaction hell began

[languid trail]

Made like 15 different alts

[nova crescent]

@languid trail ofc xdd

[misty warren]

Lightfall really was a let down

[ember mountain]

Destiny PVP is shit because of destiny PVE players coming in thinking they will pop off with a blue scout rifle thinking they will go flawless the first time
Playing trials then if we voice, our concerns we get hit with “D-Destiny is a PVE game if you wanna play PVP go play call of duty 🤪”

[manic zephyr]

When will Bungie release Oni remastered?

[hearty olive]

I can check your roles and see you don't have alpha access. It's not rocket science.

[languid trail]

Lightfall was bungie holding the industry in their hands and dropping the bag the second they realised

[languid trail]

Look at above messages

[misty warren]

So true, destiny pvp is pretty good if you get competent people in a lobby together

[restive minnow]

Lightfall. Lights out. What an apt name as well. 10/10 marketing.

[golden viper]

I think D2 was always meant to be mtx hell, I think their plan was to lure players in then entrap them with mtx

[hearty olive]

implying 6 isn't easy mode regardless of lobby

[restive minnow]

If you like D2 you are simply wrong.

[manic zephyr]

Guess I'm wrong then

[golden viper]

Reach was the last good Bungie game

[nova crescent]

just drop destiny 2 and full focus on marathon destiny is dead anyway

[misty warren]

Bungie will always be the king of gameplay, they have that feel to their games that is just so satisfying to play. It's everything else that sucks

[languid trail]

Not a clue what mtx was but you clearly didnt play d1 if you think reach was the last good game man

[hearty olive]

It really has come to this point. I think most people who like destiny 2 are either
A. In honeymoon phase
B. Drank the Kool aid so hard they've become impaired

[misty warren]

Microtransactions?

[limber elk]

LOL youre nuts

[misty warren]

Oh no you fell for the bait

[runic helm]

So do people just argue here?

[languid trail]

I think people who say this forget that people who get on the game are 90% people who get on once a week and have new content to play with each time

[misty warren]

PSA please don't feed the trolls!!!!

[golden viper]

Destiny has always been a divisive game

[hearty olive]

Oh wow a reskinned seasonal activity! So fun.

[limber elk]

so true!

[golden viper]

Let’s not forget a ton of halo fans could never get into destiny

[misty warren]

We try to have genuine conversations but it's mostly rage baiters and trolls so it devolves into arguing yes

[hearty olive]

Yeah I'm sure that the people who play once a week are raiding. Yeah.

[magic rose]

Art stealing yes, actual game, idk :P

[limber elk]

its one of those games you can always go back to for a few months on an update imo

[misty warren]

The definition of the game from the people who made it is an extraction shooter that aims to capture the casual audience... let's consider the implications of that for a moment

[hearty olive]

Yeah you come back a few months later to find your favorite raids gone lmao.

[golden viper]

It’s an oxymoron. It’s like if made a casual arcade bullet hell game or a casual RTS

[misty warren]

I'm sure the gunplay and stuff feel amazing as every bungie game does. But let's not pretend their goals with this game arent extremely silly

[halcyon nexus]

putting casual and extraction shooter in the same sentence is wild

[hearty olive]

Bad faith actor.

[golden viper]

This entire game is predicated on a flawed concept

[hearty olive]

People can get pretty toxic on the mic. Imagine LFG but in trials.

[golden viper]

That misses the entire point of extraction shooters entirely

[restive minnow]

Bungie should pivot and make Marathon a Lego licensed game

[magic rose]

[languid trail]

i do NOT remember the dreadnought being in any other season brah 😭

[misty warren]

Well yes except there can certainly be casual RTS, starcraft 2 has pve game modes

[ember mountain]

I wouldn’t say it’s dead, but it’s overdue they should just give us back all the planets and locations and all the raids and give us back the forges and menagerie

[hearty olive]

Casual RTS... Oh you mean critically acclaimed halo wars? That was also made by bungie?

[misty warren]

Indeed, that's what this game is supposedly meant to be lmao. Not my words.

[halcyon nexus]

i mean i love the niche genre but that's what it is... niche.

[misty warren]

Precisely

[rose escarp]

Is marathon cancelled?

[misty warren]

The direction made no sense from the get go, unfortunately

[ember mountain]

No

[halcyon nexus]

6 years of dev time? doubt it

[misty warren]

Bungie mismanagement just continues to bring down what great games the studio could make

[rose escarp]

But the whole game has been ripped off right?

[halcyon nexus]

no not at all

[ember mountain]

Marathon will most likely be delayed for a year or a few

[misty warren]

What? No. Just a good amount of assets were copy and pasted from Twitter

[halcyon nexus]

just chunks which is still teriibly bad and this isn't the first time bungie have done this

[rose escarp]

So take away all used art?

[misty warren]

I think that's what they are doing

[rose escarp]

Lmao

[halcyon nexus]

but saying the entire identity of the game is ripped is disingenous tbh as much as im not a fan of what i've seen

[golden viper]

Sony execs are probably screaming their lungs out trying to convince Bungie to delay it

Like I said, I think Bungie management just wants to shit it out to cash in their company stock

[balmy oriole]

They might need to find out where all the art that's in the game came from as well

[restive minnow]

No matter how much you guys are coping rn this game will release and you will all pay for it on day of release 👍

[halcyon nexus]

nah mate

[golden viper]

Awfully presumptuous

[restive minnow]

Yes bro

[rose escarp]

The art theft was in very bad taste..

[golden viper]

I hate destiny

[balmy oriole]

I'll get Marathon if it's cheap or free, or if it has very good reviews

[halcyon nexus]

i haven't played destiny since taken king and quit 1 day in i anit paying bungie for jack

[gleaming sundial]

It’s not Bungie’s decision. It’s Sony’s. Sony is trying to decide if they want to pay for a delay or cut their losses most likely.

[golden viper]

I and interested it looks like shit

[craggy flax]

JOEL GET UP!!!

[rose escarp]

Free to play

[golden viper]

It would be so embarrassing to can this game after spending 3 billion. If they want to save face, they’ll just release it

[gleaming sundial]

Do you know what’s happened at Sony?

[rose escarp]

Halo Reach had more content

[halcyon nexus]

this release will be studied that's for sure

and i highly doubt they can do a no mans sky

[gleaming sundial]

They ousted the guy who did the Bungie acquisition and pushed for all the live service games.

The new Sony leadership hates live service games and they have cancelled like 10 in development already.

[craggy flax]

This game is now a cash grab for the Bungke higher ups. Push it out before March 26 2026 and use that golden parachute. Had fun in the ALPHA test tho.

[halcyon nexus]

bungie wont be worth at lot by the time they cash out LOL

[gleaming sundial]

If Sony cancels the game and fires the Bungie leadership for just cause they won’t have to pay them the bonuses they are aiming for.

[golden viper]

This is exactly what I’ve heard. They are in cut and run mode: they just want to cash out, they don’t give a fuck about players

[gleaming sundial]

A delay is outrageously expensive. Marketing is like 40-50% of the cost of the game.

[golden viper]

Not in their minds they are stupid to push it out when it’s half baked

[gleaming sundial]

So my thoughts are Sony cancels it and gets rid of the Bungie execs.

[nocturne gate]

we can hope

[gleaming sundial]

That’s what makes the most financial sense at this point.

[glass harbor]

This is mostly what it looks like now

[manic zephyr]

Pete Parsons definitely needs to go

[balmy oriole]

And with those cars, he can go very fast

[craggy flax]

Its the Sony stocks they want. They could care less about the games. They have a shit ton of stock in Sony that they get when they leave. As long as Marathon get pushed out before April. They stocks are the pay out.

[golden viper]

They aren’t going to do it

Bungie is too, for lack of a better term, prestigious in the industry

Shutting them down and cancelling the game would be massively embarrassing for Sony. Even more than Concord

[gleaming sundial]

They aren’t though. Destiny 2 is losing money and players.

The Bungie that brought us great games doesn’t exist anymore.

[golden viper]

To shareholder and other people in the industry, they are. Not to us players, certainly

[gleaming sundial]

They already got rid of the guy who orchestrated the Bungie deal.

[golden viper]

Industry people are in a bubble

[nocturne gate]

still wild to me that bungie fired a BUNCH of essential old talent merely to stop their stock from matureing

[halcyon nexus]

any idea on the cost to make the game so far? how much has been spent to get here

[gleaming sundial]

They haven’t said

[halcyon nexus]

uh oh

[gleaming sundial]

Judging by the sparse content and unfinished graphics of the alpha probably not as much as they should have.

[golden viper]

I would guess 300 million

[golden viper]

Or the money went to expensive yachts or cars

[gleaming sundial]

Seriously. I mean there’s that internal memo that Bungie will only view this game as successful if it’s in the top 5 sales for the year. Which lmao

[charred belfry]

lol

Game is dead on arrival if it stays as it is

[golden viper]

They still think they are in the 2000s lol

Coming off of halo

[gleaming sundial]

The hubris to think they can convert a bunch of people into enjoying extraction shooters

[halcyon nexus]

why do shooters have to be limited to one mode now....

[golden viper]

Because reasons

[balmy oriole]

Could it be partly to solve matchmaking issues?

[restive minnow]

there is only one true game mode: king of the hill

[nocturne gate]

i mean... its not impossible its just a gamble and requires a uniquely appealing offering. bugie have(or had) the dev and art talanet to do that but it sounds like the devs wern't listened to when they advocated for the novel changes the game would need to do that

[gleaming sundial]

It takes a certain kind of person to enjoy them and most all of my friends don’t. My primary game is Tarkov and the Marathon alpha wasn’t enough to make me want to swap games.

[restive minnow]

you dont have to swap as long as you buy some skins in the shop

[gleaming sundial]

Why would I pay $40 for the game and MTX if I don’t find the gameplay loop engaging?

[restive minnow]

to support the beloved studio bungie

[gleaming sundial]

lol

[restive minnow]

you dont have to play it all the time, just enough to make it worth it

[gleaming sundial]

Charity purchase.

[nocturne gate]

i mean they will get a chunk of sales that way sadly

[restive minnow]

exactly

[balmy oriole]

Because the game's doing really poorly and it looks like the game will be shut down forever and everyone will be refunded

[nocturne gate]

just look at how many edge of fate preorders they got

[restive minnow]

anyways can i just say how underappreciated pot noodles are, sometimes you just want some hot flavorous water

[nocturne gate]

what are you chatting about? Bombay bad boy got that spice

[restive minnow]

spicy noodles

[nocturne gate]

spicy noodles

[golden viper]

It’s so fucking wild they chose extraction shooters. Might as well spend 300 million making a bullet hell arcade shooter. Such a niche genre to try to turn to Aaa

[ember lichen]

The game is gonna get delayed or canned at this point.

[nocturne gate]

hopefully not canned, there are the bones of a great game in there even dureing the alpha

[restive minnow]

those of you who doesnt like the extraction shooter aspect of it, what would like to have had instead

[nocturne gate]

Pve exractions shooter with parallel runner teams with non overlapping pve goals.

[tulip sedge]

Delayed would be ideal. But again we do not know how deep is the trouble the devs team are having.

[stuck vortex]

Is this game being delayed or nah

[finite forum]

Extraction shooter doesn't seem like a bad idea until I remember it cost 300mil.

[nocturne gate]

no hard info yet

[ocean latch]

Nobody knows.

[restive minnow]

interesting

[stuck swallow]

Are the older games still canon?

[golden viper]

Bro it’s so funny, they fashion themselves as the arbiters of what appeals to causal fps players, and they think they can make extraction have wide appeal

[ocean latch]

Yes, but indirectly.

[finite forum]

Just sounds like destiny open world...

[golden viper]

It’s like thinking visual novel could be in top 5 npd

[stuck swallow]

I know others have said this but I think there should have been a campaign mode

[nocturne gate]

yea but... actualy built on as an idea. it'd cool i think to drop in to do a mission see anther team struggling with one elsewhere in the map and decide to help

[restive minnow]

if you're into comic books in your 30s thats weird

[golden viper]

You’re dumb

You sound liek such a dull person bro

Also your in a video game discord

[finite forum]

I mean I get it but having no pvp in a game like that feels strange. At least make it an option. Imagine WOW had no duels/pvp. Just feels like something's missing

[restive minnow]

you're allowed to like all kinds of things in your 20s but 30s you need to settle down and get into more refined things like wine and cooking

[crisp path]

he's a troll, duh

[golden viper]

The his to he bait

[restive minnow]

it is dw

[nocturne gate]

naw not no pvp but the main focous being surviving the environment not, dueling and hunting other players

[finite forum]

No. Wine is ass. My wife and I both dislike alcohol and Cooking is a life skill so that's not the same

[restive minnow]

you need to find a good red wine then. something to have to your dinner

[oak comet]

Dead game, Concord 2?

[nocturne gate]

cooking can be delightful, just gotta treat it like a hobby not a chore

[restive minnow]

oh absolutely

[tawdry terrace]

Yeah its over

[restive minnow]

it's supposed to be fun and creative not a competition with master chefs

[halcyon nexus]

if i could have a drip so i didn't have to eat i'd sign up straight away

[finite forum]

True I do enjoy cooking but I can't do alcohol.

[summer nebula]

I wonder what the other maps looked like

[nocturne gate]

i wonder what the other weapons were

[tawdry terrace]

I think the game should've just followed Destiny's gamedesign with a campaign and pve or pvp modes

[golden viper]

Guys if I spend 300 million dollars making the best Visual Novel; then surely it will be top 5 npd seller

[restive minnow]

why are you obsessed with visual novels

[golden viper]

Why are you annoying

[finite forum]

I was honestly surprised when they said they only showed half of the weapon sandbox

[golden viper]

Bro is weird

[restive minnow]

dont be rude

[golden viper]

Don’t be cringe

[restive minnow]

have a laugh

[nocturne gate]

🍿

[finite forum]

I kinda like VNs. But they are niche

Like a long plane ride kind of genre

[golden viper]

It’s so funny Bungie thinks “single player games are too risky”

But chose extraction shooters

Doom Dark Ages prob has way more casual appeal

[restive minnow]

bro calls me weird and keep repeating the same thoughts over and over again 🥴

say something new 👍

[finite forum]

Bungie does weird stuff and tries to make hardcore categories casual. They did it with destiny. It's why there is no longer rare loot in that game

It's expected so I don't know why you're suprised

[misty warren]

MMOs and looter shooters were always casual tf you mean

[finite forum]

Not when it came to getting the best loot

But even that's dirt easy in destiny

[spare root]

🫡

[misty warren]

Every mmo usually has a casual way of getting good loot. It's not top tier absolutely min maxed but it's raid ready

[nocturne gate]

depends what you think dirt easy means. i know a chunk of peeps who enjoy destiny but can't finish a raid

[misty warren]

No mmo has ever been hard-core unless it's been purposely made to be and they are marketed as such

[finite forum]

You can get almost every exotic in the game without doing any difficult content. I'd say that's super easy

[misty warren]

Mmos are very casual experiences as are looter shooters

The way exotics work are not bad there are just too many of them

[nocturne gate]

oh BIG agree, the unique enss of exotics have been watered way too much, in part becaus they started blanceing around them so you sorta started to need em. that and they wanted to sell more exotic skins

[finite forum]

Hell Bungie doesn't even want exotics to be rare anymore. They drop like candy and the new ones come from the battle pass.

[golden viper]

What the fuck is the point of a loot game then

Omg it just defeats the purpose

[misty warren]

They definitely should have stuck with the raid/dungeon exclusively for exotics with a few world drops here and there like it was in d1 and early d2. There are simply just too many

[gleaming sundial]

They could probably turn it around with some simple tweaks

Make some maps PvE only and then have PvP maps

[finite forum]

I'm exaggerating a bit but destiny has an issue where the rare stuff feels too easy to get imo. No more pinnacles and such. But that's just my opinion

[tawdry terrace]

[gleaming sundial]

So like you do pve against dangerous AI on the planet based maps then take that gear to the marathon ship based maps to do later quests and find better gear.

[nocturne gate]

hopefully the five star weapons and armor are gonna bring back that magic

[misty warren]

Pinnacles are fine, indicating the "casual" track to top tier loot.

My hope is that armor sets bring more of an mmo feel with needing to do actual content instead of completing a glorified bingo card

[gleaming sundial]

And have the high tier loot maps be pvp only

[misty warren]

I get their importance for the casual audience but there needs to be that higher tier for the elite

[gleaming sundial]

Yeah, you can do both

[misty warren]

Pvp gear should only be good in pvp though

[finite forum]

No I mean I miss pinnacle weapons

[gleaming sundial]

Tarkov even has that kinda. Even though all maps are pvpve you have Labs and Labrynth which are much more pvp focused and the loot reflects it.

[misty warren]

Top tier pve gear should not be pvp exclusive

[nocturne gate]

honestly their recent changes to trials i think were a great balance between the sweats get rewarded for their effort and eveyone else can slowly climb the mountain to get there

[delicate crescent]

go flawless or cry

[misty warren]

Pinnacle weapons were way too overtuned

[finite forum]

I agree they should have balanced the weapons different but I still want an award to be there

[nocturne gate]

naw good loot being spread out across the activities is good, community wise, variety wise and generl fun wise

[finite forum]

Now it's just emblem

[misty warren]

There should be but again top tier pve gear should not be obtained in pvp and vice versa

[golden viper]

Hmm yeah that could be something they could do

[misty warren]

Yes, good loot. Not the BEST loot

[golden viper]

This game needs a 2 year delay

[stuck vortex]

I need this game to drop

[misty warren]

Best pvp loot = pvp, best pve loot = pve, with good gear being awarded for completing a variety of activities is how it should be

[finite forum]

I'm a bit worried actually that marathon will put too much emphasis on emblem customization over character customization.

I mean will skins be earnable (probably not) outside of one or two recolors.

[misty warren]

It's a hero shooter there won't be any customization outside of skins and maybe shaders if we're lucky

[nocturne gate]

naw, i disagree. getting to carry the clans pvp lords through master content is fun for everyone. and the pvp lords helping out the day one team and other dedicated raiders is awesome

[finite forum]

Yes I'm aware of that I just want to be able to earn some of it. Not spend $20 for blue

[misty warren]

You can do that still? That's how the game used to be played

[misty warren]

It's highly doubtful that will happen.

[nocturne gate]

but the incentive for that IS there's a real hot gun in content you dont normally do. like... remember mountain top the original one? you had to play a chunk of pvp for that and as pve that was a stuggle but a really cool goal and incentive to learn more about more of the game

[misty warren]

And that was cringe and never should have been like that

[nocturne gate]

aight, think we just fundamentally disagree then 🤝

[misty warren]

It should be for the achievement, like it was in d1.

Maybe I have nostalgia goggles but destiny lost its identity and got TOO grindy and then they flipped the switch the other way and now it's too casual

[trim summit]

least it was a challenge. same with the other hand cannon

[misty warren]

And that's okay, but it's just bad game design to lock the best pve/pvp gear behind the opposite activity where most of the playerbase will not wanna do

[trim summit]

luna’s howl? yeah

[misty warren]

If you don't wanna pvp you shouldn't have to to obtain the best loot

[trim summit]

that is true

[gleaming sundial]

Seems like Bungie has really been struggling with how to figure out game balance for a while now.

[misty warren]

Thats the dumbest part because it was already good a long time ago

[gleaming sundial]

I quit playing D2 after Osiris. If they are having issues balancing stuff for Destiny I don't have super high hopes that they can figure out an extraction shooter.

[misty warren]

Big issue with companies is trying to fix what isn't broken.

[nocturne gate]

a lil bit BUT the recent dungeon refurbs have ben PERFECT difficulty wise

[gleaming sundial]

Or with them laying off the people who were actually good at it.

[misty warren]

Well that's just because of greed trying to get things done faster by using more people and inflating budgets

Another issue entirely but unfortunately trickles into other areas

[gleaming sundial]

Like I really wanted Marathon to be decent because a big AAA extraction shooter would be good for the genre as a whole.

but they really have the deck stacked against them, and it was all their own doing.

[misty warren]

Well extraction shooters will never be as big as arena shooters or brs, they're just natively anti-casual

[gleaming sundial]

Oh, yeah 100% man

I've got 2500 hours in Tarkov. I wasn't really good at the game until I had at least 1000.

[misty warren]

Yeah it's a major grind and losing all that progress in an instant ain't exactly a good feeling to most lol

[gleaming sundial]

Money and gear isn't really an issue for me in Tarkov but I know how the economy works, how to make money, ect

[misty warren]

But the adrenaline and the feeling of getting out with good loot is unmatched for sure

[nocturne gate]

do you think the anti casual is more the losing stuff or the big initial skill wall?

[gleaming sundial]

but it took a lot of learning to get to that point.

[misty warren]

It's definitely the losing stuff, I don't think most people care THAT much about learning curves especially with a new game where everyone is learning

Tarkov is definitely overwhelming for a while though

[pallid shoal]

no casual wants to spend 1000h to start enjoying things, right? even in the games they like you can't get them to commit to more than 40h most times

[nocturne gate]

hmm but people LOVE roguelikes and you lose progress in those all the time

[misty warren]

And then after putting in that time they get 1 tapped and everything's gone lol

[misty warren]

Those are much different as the loot only matters for that run anyway, different gameplay loop

[pallid shoal]

ya lots of marathon's design is about getting people to exfil after tutorial within the hour

but i don't play extraction games almost at all so idk

[misty warren]

I think marathon should have been more akin to helldivers 2 than tarkov

[pallid shoal]

ya i guess rougelike is a good comparison, and bungie has been incorporating similar features in destiny for a few years now

[pallid shoal]

honestly when i first played hd2 i thought "this is like what i want marathon to play like"

[golden viper]

They should have tried something new

[misty warren]

Well they did

[golden viper]

Maybe a racing game, platformer

[misty warren]

Oh you mean genre wise

[golden viper]

Make a new Oni

[pallid shoal]

marathon kart racer 🔥

[gleaming sundial]

jrpg marathon

[nocturne gate]

extraction shooter platformer

[balmy oriole]

You know your franchise is big when it has a kart racer

[gleaming sundial]

Tarkov is an extreme outlier. Marathon won't take close to 1000 hours to learn or even master.

[misty warren]

I disagree, bungie makes very good fps and I still haven't found a game that feels as satisfying as bungie games

[snow ember]

no thanks, im fine with marathon to be an extraction shooter and thank god its not located in a milsim environment but scifi

[gleaming sundial]

In Tarkov you have to memorize all the maps, there's no in game map

[golden viper]

Unironically, the best play would have been to have Destiny be the bread winners and make smaller single player games in the side

[pallid shoal]

right, that's clearly the goal: extraction loop without the hardcore milsim sandbox

[sonic iron]

People don't like losing progress because they forgot to save recently and either died or game crashes though. ALSO games made boss fights easier and you have save points before them instead of having to trek through a whole dungeon to fight

[misty warren]

Well as we were discussing previously, you will never have a massive audience with an extraction shooter as they are naturally anti-casual. And pve is bungies strong suit

[pallid shoal]

true, the biggest mistakes around marathon seem to be in giving it a huge budget and a lack of direction

[golden viper]

They do, but usually they are indie games with lower budgets and a very hardcore audience

[snow ember]

true, but there is an audience whos looking forward to a extraction shooter in a scifi universe.

[gleaming sundial]

Right, but that's such a weird and nearly impossible space to have a game in. Extraction shooters by design already scare away casual gamers, and the folks that already enjoy extraction shooters are looking for a more hardcore experience.

[nocturne gate]

i mean i get that point of veiw but its gamble right? its not, oh i'm losing progress. its i'm gambling this loadout to try and win something better. that sounds to me like a frameing issue not a "most people dont like this" issue

[snow ember]

and btw none of us know what the 4th map looking like. maybe its designed like the nether in d2? who knows

[pallid shoal]

they also tend to be 20-40 minutes loops with permanent progression rather than using and losing exfil loot

[misty warren]

It would be cool if they had a pve sections separate from the extraction loop

[nocturne gate]

but marathon has that with their contract system

[sonic iron]

I refuse to play hunt. Im ok with losing weapons and stuff, but I can't lose a high level character

[snow ember]

didnt they already told, there is ogoing to be a pve centered map?

i remember they talke about cleaing rooms and getting keys for the next one

[pallid shoal]

ya it does both, cheap-or-free sponsor gear plus permanent upgrades, or be good and have more gear options

[golden viper]

Yep, dead cells perfect example. Super easy to start a run, you can speed run the runs

[misty warren]

Unfortunately the casual audience most definitely do not like this. I'm willing to bet a large portion of people who claim to be casual and playing tarkov have their best loot rot in their vault over fear of losing it

[sonic iron]

I know my best loot would stay in the vault

[misty warren]

Not to my knowledge no. They said there will be significant pve elements but that doesnt mean they won't be in pvp environments

[sonic iron]

Im a loot goblin

[pallid shoal]

i don't think that's impossible to balance but the conflict is real. the question of "who is the audience" is definitely part of their problem

[misty warren]

And that's the inherent problem because technically you get punished for being a loot goblin in extraction games lol

If you're not using your good loot you're at a disadvantage

[sonic iron]

The real reason this game is getting delayed is because LeBron isn’t in it

[gleaming sundial]

Yeah that’s why I said nearly impossible. They are going after such a narrow band of potential customers.

[pallid shoal]

ya the last game he was in did so well

[pallid shoal]

"extraction but make it casual" is their sales line to corporate for sure

[gleaming sundial]

Not necessarily but as a general rule of thumb yeah. Theres a bit more nuance to it.

There’s some tasks in Tarkov where all you gotta do is make it to an area and plant a gps marker or just kill a bunch of scavs. I’m not going to bring in a 2m rouble kit to do that.

[misty warren]

Of course not every raid has people geared tf up, but you should expect there to be for sure

[golden viper]

What happens when games are made as marketing pitches first and games as second

[misty warren]

No but because of streamers etc people think the point is to dunk on shitters

[pallid shoal]

so people hate losing their stuff, but elden ring was a runaway success despite being punishing and difficult like the other souls games. i guess that's the kind of conversion bungie was hoping for in the extraction space with marathon?

[gleaming sundial]

Or if I’m going on a loot run where I plan to avoid fighting I’m just gonna run a budget kit.

[sonic iron]

Multiversus LeBron in Marathon would be too OP

[gleaming sundial]

Skill and game knowledge can win you fights even without the best gear.

[golden viper]

ER is a single player game that costed nowhere near as much as Marathon. FS reuses a ton of assets when they make games

[sullen ridge]

That is NOT a good comparison lmao

[nocturne gate]

not to mention the rush of beating a stacked team with the starterkit and getting a huge payday

[misty warren]

For sure but if you never intend to use the good loot then what are you working towards? At that point you're just trying to get your vault to look pretty for reddit which isn't really a good goal

[pallid shoal]

so much of the dev history smells like "chris barrett got high on the smell of his new car and no one was allowed to say no to him"

[gleaming sundial]

Oh no I agree totally. I’m currently running 2.5m kits to farm Shturman since he is 100% spawn rn

[golden viper]

God that guy must have been a nightmare

[gleaming sundial]

Because I know one he can be a bitch to fight and two everyone is rushing sawmill so pvp is guaranteed.

[misty warren]

I think extraction games can be fun i just don't really know who marathon is actually for i guess is the main point. You will not get out of marathon what you get out of tarkov and casuals will still have the same gripes

[gleaming sundial]

So im doing night raids with a flir thermal scope on my rsass running m61, quad nods, fast mt with slap plate, and cpc plate carrier.

[pallid shoal]

ya i'm taking a step back from the genre a bit and there's a lot of differences but the genre was famously forbidding and hardcore but they still sold tens of millions of licenses for it

[gleaming sundial]

Exactly!

[golden viper]

The genre is a single player game series that

1. doesn’t cost as much to make
2. has no server costs
3. is more approachable given it’s a single player game that isn’t competitive

[gleaming sundial]

Hell a bunch of dudes i play Tarkov with have never even heard of marathon until I mentioned it to them

[misty warren]

But you can get your stuff back very easily. Elden rings success vs dark souls is entirely because of the freedom to do things in the order you want. Dark souls was hard AND linear which turned a lot of people off. Elden ring is still hard however you can fuck off and do something else whenever you want which is good for casuals

[golden viper]

Also you can sit down and beat ER and be done with it. It’s not a game you have to constantly play, and play also with two other teammates

[gleaming sundial]

Forced 3 man squads is a weird choice

[golden viper]

It’s got a fuckton of content. It’s not anemic in content like marathon is shaping up to be

[misty warren]

I'm hoping the 3 man squads was just an alpha thing

Awful idea for the main release

[gleaming sundial]

And only allowing 1 active task at a time means that it’s gonna be hard to sync up with friends

[golden viper]

They must have balanced the game around it

[gleaming sundial]

No this is their vIsIoN

In the last livestream they didn’t back off of it

[ember mountain]

Bring back forges

[golden viper]

I bet you the staff probably begged them to not go through with the forced 3 thing

[weak hawk]

Didn't it just get cancelled?

[misty warren]

Yikes

[ember mountain]

Bring back escalation protocol

[misty warren]

Not yet

[ember mountain]

Bring back the leviathan and spire of stars

Bring back tangled chore

[golden viper]

I can’t imagine working at Bungie, seeing them make these basic mistakes but you can’t change a thing about it

[nocturne gate]

mhhm i love the eater of worlds strike

[rocky arch]

Levi would be fun to have back its a good raid to teach

[ember mountain]

lol believe it or not some people struggle on the clearing ads part

[rocky arch]

I want scourge of the past that was one of the easiest raids to teach lol

[misty warren]

It's fun flexing my hard mode Levi gear on new lights though

[ember mountain]

I can teach the entire raid without doing anything

[rocky arch]

idk i had to get active on the dogs cause people didn't have the best weapons for dps lol

[pallid shoal]

nevermind their multiplayer rougelike coming out this week or the coop/invasions... but ya, i'm always doing big stretch lateral comparisons. i'm focused on 1. "hardcore" game with clear material punishment on failure and 2. big sales.

[ember mountain]

I forgot how to do everything in the raid to be honest 🤣🤣

[ember mountain]

Lmfao yeah they struggled hard on the dog part especially prestige version

[pallid shoal]

ya it was a pretty simple change. and wasn't sekiro much more open-ended in structure but still clearly hardcore? (i didn't play it)

[ember mountain]

Just use sleeper and trench barrel shotgun with one two punch

[nocturne gate]

i dont belive you...

[misty warren]

Ngl I bought sekiro and refunded it. I hated the combat, was TOO punishing for my taste. Very satisfying when you did get it to click though

[pallid shoal]

i think for a casual audience with little interest in the genre there isn't much difference in how they feel about dark souls or tarkov, that it's for sweats and "i probably wouldn't have fun"

[ember mountain]

lol yeah if you’re not paying attention they will pour down on someone else a
and it causes the people shooting the beams to get swarmed

[golden viper]

Idk, a hard single player game is probably much more digestible than a hard multiplayer title

[ember mountain]

Tarkov it’s not for sweats it’s for the unemployed and streamers

[rocky arch]

i remeber we used oppressive darkness and falling guillotine to help cheese it

[ember mountain]

Ah that sword from the prophecy dungeon

[golden viper]

I kinda want to try out Hunt rn

[pallid shoal]

are they bringing back escalation protocol?

[ember mountain]

No 🤣🤣🤣 but it would be good to bring it back

Bungie is never bring back Mars or Titan

[misty warren]

I mean we do have mars

[ember mountain]

We do?

[misty warren]

Kinda

[pallid shoal]

definitely not as they were, at least we get a mars strike battleground

[nocturne gate]

i miss titan a lot... i use to just sorta roam around there while listening to podcasts it was super relaxing

[ember mountain]

Same I would do that while listening to music

[pallid shoal]

titan had great vibes

[misty warren]

Yeah titan had a good vibe

[carmine knot]

Yeah RIP Titan

[nocturne gate]

now we dont have any properly stormy places, europas clsoe dureing snowstorms but its not the same

[carmine knot]

I remember my friend and I staring at the water in Titan freaking out when we saw the worm thing lol

[misty warren]

Europa sucks, not as bad as neonuma tho

[pallid shoal]

i think i've said before, if we still had titan we could larp Marathon on it, i feel like at least some of the reason we aren't getting it back is how much the structures in the planet-side marathon maps resemble it

[ember mountain]

Sometimes I explore Europa

[ember mountain]

LMFAOO

[carmine knot]

I actually like Europa. Love the skybox

[pallid shoal]

europa is like almost there, something about it feels not good, like the action spaces are both not big enough and too empty

[ember mountain]

I was on my way to farm with the ogre (forgot his name) and I remember looking to the side and seeing the tail in the water and I freaked out

[pallid shoal]

maybe that's the real limit in tiger engine creating problems: maps can't be big enough to feel like there's something new a surprise around the corner and they can't host huge EvE fights to make the player feel like the environment is alive without them

[rocky arch]

ok real question yall. When your runner dies and the little weave worm dudes have to remake your shell, do you think they make the shell's weenie dick the same length everytime or do you think its RNG? Like what if they just ran out of material near the end and was like eh, we could go a little shorter here.

[pallid shoal]

unless the ween is load bearing or important to balance it's a waste of material on a body that doesn't reproduce

[misty warren]

Thinking the shells have privates is peak brain rot, go outside

[carmine knot]

These are the real questions lmao

[pallid shoal]

runners do not have butt holes, discuss

[carmine knot]

Issa USB port

[rocky arch]

zero fun allowed :((((

[wooden cosmos]

What happens when they need to go potty?

[pallid shoal]

they don't eat either

[carmine knot]

Don't let the fools sway you from learning. We must know!

[nocturne gate]

well yea, corporate took the fun bits

[misty warren]

Thats not fun that's cringe
Gooner shit

[wooden cosmos]

Then how would they enjoy the Minecraft meal ts pmo ikiab

[carmine knot]

Nah it's pretty fun. Touch grass lmao

[carmine knot]

I just want my red stapler!

[misty warren]

Its fun to imagine that artificial shells have a dick despite there being zero practical use? Gooner brain, touch grass

[pallid shoal]

their lives are suffering, just death death death, plus no milkshakes no matter what day of the year it is

[rocky arch]

gooner shit? bro i am not gooning to the shells just thought it would be a funny predicament to be in. imagine you are a runner and like you just happen to have a smaller ween this time around. like they really cheapped out of this frame this time XDD

[ember mountain]

That’s degeneracy stop imagining about dicks and go find God ☦️

[nocturne gate]

memes aside, avoiding body dismorphia in the shells might require certain stuff stays even if its non functional

[carmine knot]

Lmao

[pallid shoal]

if all their senses are simulated and relayed, they can just copy paste the feeling of a happy meal to their sensory feed

[carmine knot]

Goodbye calories!

[misty warren]

There wouldn't be

[sullen ridge]

I'll think about women's dicks as much as i want thank you

[carmine knot]

Art will make us GOD

[misty warren]

The point of the shells are to remove humanity, that makes no sense

[carmine knot]

Shout out to Sly Cooper🫡

[misty warren]

No plagiarism will

[rocky arch]

no duh bruh I mean they couldn't even remember their human selfs that much so they probably wouldn't even recognize any of their sexual anatomy like that anyways

[pallid shoal]

i think it'd be more like putting your consciousness into a car. do you think if you were a mind in a car you'd still get car body dysmorphia? what if you could swap to a new car as easily as wishing it?

[misty warren]

Go outside

[carmine knot]

I'd have two weens🤷‍♂️

[nocturne gate]

the narrative point is to remove humanity, but in world dismorphia would impact their operating effectiveness as corporate assets so i bet theres a decent amount of confomority to the shells. why else does glitch look femme and shadow look masc(ish)

[pallid shoal]

one in front and another in back

[rocky arch]

im at work i can't go outside right now :((

[carmine knot]

Could I put a speaker there? Bluetooth?

[wooden cosmos]

Bro can do the naughty naughty x2 😭 😭 😭

[rocky arch]

double barrel shaboingboing is insane 😭

[carmine knot]

Lmfao shaboingboing.

[misty warren]

Aesthetic

[nocturne gate]

i mean cars are seen as separate but i'd imagine its hard to feel entirely separate from a body you use and feel with

[pallid shoal]

like the major in ghost in the shell, once you can have any body you want what would your priorities be in shaping it? how much would be functional and how much would be preference? how much would be habit?

[carmine knot]

This made me think of cyberpunk edgerunners

[rocky arch]

i mean what if you been that car for countless cycles you would just probably think you are a car right ?

[pallid shoal]

we're getting turbo trans now, transhumanism, what if you were a swarm of nanomachines and could be literally any euclidean shape you wished

[carmine knot]

::hits blunt:: So I am a car, right?

[nocturne gate]

its a real interesting idea to explore. then mix that with how much of even this identity as transient as it might be am i willing to forfit for other goals and what would that do to someone.

[rocky arch]

i would want two weens like that other guy

[misty warren]

Now we're talking

[nocturne gate]

what geometic solid would you be? i'd be a rombus

[pallid shoal]

ya cyberpunk opens the door to a lot of interesting discussions of what that frontier could look like and how people would have to adapt to changing ideas of what identity means

but like that's not in the future, we're dealing with it now

and it's not going great tbh

[carmine knot]

Id be a Solid. Solid Snake. NANOMACHINES, SON!

[rocky arch]

isosceles triangle

[pallid shoal]

odo from star trek deep space 9 was also a reflection there, he had a weird relationship with his humanoid form and how people related to it

later in the series he talks more about shapes he enjoys assuming, that was always a neat bit

and he did sex!

[nocturne gate]

scandalous

[high lark]

Is this the art raiders discord?

[ember mountain]

LOLLLLL

[pallid shoal]

yes we're hitting the gardener museum next and we need to know: are you in, all the way?

[nocturne gate]

no thats two doors down

[carmine knot]

Why yes it is lmfao @ your picture that is brutal 🤣🤣🤣

[ember mountain]

There’s no way I was warned from my comment about God

[balmy oriole]

Oh no, are we being Arc Raided again?

[ember mountain]

Mods here are crazy

[nocturne gate]

Mods are real?

[ember mountain]

Really fake

[high lark]

I’m excited for the concord sequel

[ember mountain]

Here we. Go

[rocky arch]

Do you think marathon's narrative will revolve around a specific runner?

[nocturne gate]

i've almost got bingo already

[rocky arch]

I am a top 500 concord player on pc and PS5

yeah i bought the game twice

[high lark]

The more you buy the more you save

[rocky arch]

i got my refunds when the game shutdown 🤣

[high lark]

Yeah it was a good deal

[rocky arch]

Honestly wasn't even a bad pvp game

[high lark]

It was clearly made for console with that giant ass UI

[carmine knot]

Raiders of the Lost Art still the best one I've seen 🤣🤣

[coral token]

Marathon hype is dead

[pallid shoal]

i'm not dead yet (just disappointed)

[carmine knot]

Absolutely was taken out back and old yellow by Bungo

[wooden cosmos]

Imma give you a ticket for being unoriginal your court date is in two months

[high lark]

Well the marketing is cut so it’s up to us now to spread the good word

[rocky arch]

old yellow 😭 🤣

[carmine knot]

The court date is delayed like the game

[coral token]

Im not tryna be like those trolls but im seriously disappointed I had some hope

[carmine knot]

And that word is.... dont steal

[nocturne gate]

theres still some hope, a delay would be a godsent for the game and the devs

also it would screw the execs trying to cut and run

[carmine knot]

Cut and run...isnt that a Destiny gun? Scout rifle maybe?

[pallid shoal]

we'll see, a delay just increases the cost of dev for that whole time

[high lark]

PLAGIARISM _WILL_MAKE_ME_GOD

[coral token]

Dead upon release

[rocky arch]

I did think it was odd to release an alpha playtest of a game that you were going to release that year, this game def needs a delay and maybe a refocus on some more PVE only modes

[nocturne gate]

glaive

[carmine knot]

Cope will make us GOD

[odd shell]

i’m surprised bungie not enforcing people mentioning the incident in here😭

[coral token]

Patience and time

[carmine knot]

No point really. It's everywhere.

[high lark]

The mods have abandoned us

[foggy rover]

plagiarism aside, you can really see they've put a lot of effort in the art direction, hope the game comes out one way or another

[nocturne gate]

thats would go REAL bad real fast

[rocky arch]

I think the best name in this discord still is PLAGIARISM_WILL_BUY_PETE_CARS

[odd shell]

plagiarism will make me god would actually be hilarious

[pallid shoal]

i think they got banned

[carmine knot]

That sniper got me through farming that Hydra in D1. Stay up top. Go invisible. Chip away.

[odd shell]

[coral token]

That was my first ever exotic

I used that to cheese the maze in crotas end as a titan/warlock

[finite forum]

I miss invective

[coral token]

That was goated

Invective + nothing manacles

[carmine knot]

Invective goated in early PvP.

[high lark]

Since I have 1 guy play with me we would 2man the whole Croat raid

[carmine knot]

My Croats are tingling

[high lark]

😎

[coral token]

I almost 2manned crotas end with my ex girlfriend in highschool and then my dad disconnected my internet good times

[finite forum]

I remember soloing atheon back in the day. There was so much map geometry jank in D1

[coral token]

Remember it like it was yesterday

[nocturne gate]

i miss that, d2 feels chock full of invisible walls and places you arn't allowed to stand

[coral token]

Where has the time gone

[finite forum]

Yeah I do miss being able to break the game a bit more. And not like breaking the meta but the actual game lol

[carmine knot]

Oh D2 has tons of geometry jank. I stub my toe on a 17 degree angle and my character jumps backwards and I die to architects.

[nocturne gate]

main reason i hate wave frame gl's xD

[finite forum]

LoL yeah jank that couses your death 😂 but no fun jank

[rocky arch]

I miss the old pvp armor mods like remote connection and pump action. getting 3 roaming supers a game was crazy but kind of fun

[carmine knot]

D2 has the best OoB methods for free loot that I may or may not abuse lol

[rocky arch]

I just like saying Oob

[carmine knot]

Facts

[rocky arch]

I miss the Oob in the EDZ that allowed us to go into that vault thing near the winding cove

[carmine knot]

The galaxy pools Oob is legendary. Years of speculation.

[rocky arch]

I forget what it was called but that was back when we had in game real time puzzles for the community when the black armory was first teased

[nocturne gate]

still mildly surprised the galaxy pools wern't used in final shape

[lyric surge]

Are u guys having fun ?

[pallid shoal]

i wonder if bungie thought everyone would "get it" from the arg and just didn't think they had to sell the game more

[carmine knot]

Or killing raid bosses by shooting here Oob location

[pallid shoal]

i never have fun

especially not here

[carmine knot]

Fun will make us God

[pallid shoal]

it's not marathon until an ai teleports me into empty space just to prove he can

[full gazelle]

HIGH ELO RUNNERS WEAR THIGH HIGHS :3 🏳️‍⚧️

[nocturne gate]

big if tru

[full gazelle]

girl you know it is

[rocky arch]

is this comp?

Also yall been playing Battlefront 2 at all? very nice to have that populated with players again

[full gazelle]

it's meta bare minimum :3

[nocturne gate]

damn that reminds me i need to do my comp matches this week

[rocky arch]

ive been trying to get a deadlock for weeks and im still haven't one good roll :((((

I just want one

[nocturne gate]

i just want a good pve pulse

[rocky arch]

what roll you shooting for ?

[stuck aurora]

Chat so dead we talking destiny loot

[rocky arch]

fuck it make this server the new D2 LFG

[nocturne gate]

a head stone + rime and a perpertual + desperate mesures, neithers the best but they're roll i like

[rocky arch]

someone get the Australians in here

[nocturne gate]

XD who wants to do a ultimatum Ghosts of the deep

[full gazelle]

ESCAPE WILL MAKE ME GOD 🏳️‍⚧️

[rocky arch]

it bugs me that void doesn't sound like the dude from the trailer/cinematic

[stuck aurora]

they FUMBLED hard with a lot of stuff

[empty carbon]

Elias Toufexis is such a good actor; it is a shame

[rocky arch]

indeed :((

[robust bridge]

It's an alpha..

the finished product will be better.

[wintry isle]

Cope

[wet warren]

Hard cope

[robust bridge]

Why?

[sick carbon]

Did you watch the last PlayMA?

[plucky rover]

Hmmm... i heard that you get banned from this server by talking about THE STOLEN ARTWORK 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[robust bridge]

Nope!

[wintry isle]

I dont think theres enough time not without a delay

[nocturne gate]

they fumbled in so may ways... aint unsalvageable though and the bones of the game are still solid

[astral trout]

Alpha/beta nowadays dont really change much to release you'll probably see a lot of changes 1-3 years after release instead

[sick carbon]

id start there if you are asking why people are telling you you are coping

[robust bridge]

Where do I watch it?

[sick carbon]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2460495264

[nocturne gate]

yea last PlayMA wasn't good, maybe bungie execcs shouldn't have fired the on staff audio team

[robust bridge]

I do not have twitch.

[wintry isle]

U dont need to

[stuck aurora]

atp the "finished" product might not even come out

[wintry isle]

Not to watch vods

[lyric anvil]

when does arc raiders come out?

[nocturne gate]

its wild people think they just.. wont release it

[stuck aurora]

not the palce to ask that

[wintry isle]

Supposedly june

[lyric anvil]

sweet thanks

[wintry isle]

They might just drop it at jeff show

[stuck aurora]

yea it's a little exaggerated

[robust bridge]

It's little over an hour long..

[slow cedar]

You can just not care about “stolen art,” and enjoy the game. It’s really just that simple.

[nocturne gate]

a little, some people legit belive it'll just get cancelled tho XD

[robust bridge]

Literally, as said.. never seen anyone play a competitive shooter for the "art".

[wintry isle]

No thanks

[nocturne gate]

1. who stole the art
2. what was stolen and where was it used
3. what was the systemic failing that allowed it to occur?

[stuck aurora]

our hearts go out for the devs they've been having rough week after rough week

[sick carbon]

the art is not the reason why people say the game is lacking

[wintry isle]

Bungie being incompetent is like the standard these days

[echo anchor]

Mornin folks

[wintry isle]

They are clueless

[timid rain]

me :>

Bungie is resolving it with the artist anyway and it was just a small amount of assets.

[robust bridge]

It's the only reason I have seen.

Name me another reason?

[nocturne gate]

kinda but yah gotta direct the ire at those who deserve it not rando devs

[echo anchor]

So, how was everyone yesterday with the goofy news?

[echo anchor]

Now adays I'd prefer OG Nexon than Bungie today lmfao

[wintry isle]

The art director isnt a rando

[stuck aurora]

sony stepped in and cancelled marketing plans!!!

[rough ocean]

Whatch the AMA linked to you, they are lifting some questions there

[echo anchor]

They are lmfao

[robust bridge]

Name them? I don't have time to watch movies, too much jobs.

[wintry isle]

R u dense