🗣marathon-general-chat

[fluid violet]

my local DQ no longer serves their Shrimp basket OR their Funnel Cakes..... what is even the point in them existing anymore....

[gloomy cliff]

Why are yall going to DQ for actual food 😭

[rancid veldt]

one time mcdonalds ran out of apple pies and asked if i wanted a lemon pie instead, i said no one in the history of time wanted that instead

[fluid violet]

sounds about right

[gloomy cliff]

DQ is only worth it for there blizzards and that’s it

[rancid pebble]

lfg baybee I'm gonna be battling on a field ... 6

[cold stump]

when bungie hands me a dlc they flip the blizzard upside down and it falls out so i get another one for free

[magic rose]

all the good DICE devs moved onto Embark studio and made The Finals and Arc raiders

[rancid veldt]

tbh I did not care for the finals

[magic rose]

thats not important

[rancid veldt]

I mean, it kinda is

[cold stump]

when its called the finals but it hasnt ended yet

[magic rose]

to be fair I havent even played it
looked like it had one of those funny anticheats that my antivirus detects as malware

[iron wind]

Someday there will be a final Finals match.

[signal fjord]

Is it too late to sign up for the alpha

[lime blade]

Gg marathoners lol

[iron wind]

Sadly, yes. It's over but hopefully open betas in the future. Although, we have no idea what's going on at this point.

[signal fjord]

Was it fun?

[storm oriole]

hey everyone! will this game be available for linux? it looks so beautiful and i haven't gamed in years, but i really want to make this my go-to

also i'm a programmer but never dev'd games lol

[magic rose]

the confirmed maps are:
Dire Marsh
Outpost
Perimeter
UESC Marathon (post-lunch 😋 🍽️)

huge missed opportunity not calling one of them Concordia

[storm oriole]

they are robot aliens! ...i think?

[magic rose]

they are "considering it" or something

i mean the alpha didnt even have the robot drones from the first game
which could have been an easy one

[storm oriole]

if this doesn't run on linux i'll have to make it run on linux

[candid talon]

Whats goin on gang

[magic rose]

i cant post images here

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Marathon_Automated_Defense_Drone
was it that hard to add them?

[candid talon]

Yeah they're afraid someone on the team may steal it :/

[storm oriole]

guys! can anyone answe my linux question!?

[candid talon]

No

[storm oriole]

why D:

[candid talon]

Only mac :/ sorry

[storm oriole]

WAT

[safe kernel]

Hes cappin lmao

[storm oriole]

oh

[candid talon]

LMAO kidding kidding i dunno if they're gonna make it steam deck compatible at all

[storm oriole]

i bet i can make traffic lights run marathon

[magic rose]

what even are the ticks anyway?
why do they behave like the Lookers from Marathon 1?
it doesnt seem like they have anything to do with the Pfhor

there was actually an enemy called Tick in marathon 2

but they were huge, and on hard difficulty they could explode

[magic rose]

however, Marathon 2 does not take place on Tau Ceti
instead on a distant alien planet called Lh'owon
which im CERTAIN bungie will add in a post-launch update or something for both nostalgia points and easy bin of ideas to draw from

[safe kernel]

Dont give away season 2s event lol

[safe kernel]

Prolly as a event or battlepass thing

Or season idea

[magic rose]

they would have to adopt another artstyle since the planet had no human presence

[safe kernel]

Hmm

[magic rose]

but the drone
huge missed opportunity

[main flare]

gm

[magic rose]

even weirder how ARC raiders has all these weird robots
and marathon had robots of its own it doesnt use

[safe kernel]

I would assume alot of content will be added post launch as a event or seasonal thing

[magic rose]

which communicates to me that the launch version of the game is a glorified early access release

[safe kernel]

Idk we will have to see at beta

Bungie loves adding after launch content

Plus one of the maps is the destroyed ship so maybe those aliens u were talking about will be on the ship ajd that's how it got destroyed or smth idk

[magic rose]

both trailers show the compilers but they shouldnt even be enemies after the events of the first game so i cant tell what they have planned

[safe kernel]

Yea bungie aint great at communicating

[magic rose]

there is no indication its delayed or cancelled

[safe kernel]

At this time yes lol

[zinc plank]

Death chat?

[cold stump]

ALL WHITE NAMES JOIN 🩷

[magic rose]

Sounds like you’ll get b& if you talk about the, “incident”

[cold stump]

why would they ban you when they themselves talked about it 😭

[tacit cloud]

geeking frfr

[magic rose]

silly

[willow violet]

there's been constant talk about "the incident"

idk know how it seems like that at all

[magic rose]

Well, let’s check it out, shall we?

[willow violet]

uh huh

[magic rose]

We? Who is we? I am me and you are you.

[willow violet]

you can

[shadow rampart]

this makes me so sad i was so hyped

[magic rose]

you can still be hyped

but real question, why is it not just a simple fix. what is with all this tip toe bs. just give the artist credit and a sum of money for using the art and move on. its a simple fix to learn from and it shouldnt be this hard to solve

how is marathon, how is Bungie, going to survive with all of the evidence against them about plagiarism? Not just for this, but for the red war campaign in Destiny 2, that they haven’t been able to provide a good defense against, and the several years that the art department Had to speak up about the whole stolen art issue?

[gentle warren]

wheres the tip toeing

[cold stump]

0% chance the red war case holds up

[willow violet]

They acknowledged it, contacted the artist, and is checking all in game textures and assets

[magic rose]

that red war campaign lawsuit is just the funniest thing

[willow violet]

They're simply fixing it

[magic rose]

there hasnt been any actual accountability. the interview they did never really solved the problem or properly adressed it

They would have to pay damages to fern, the original artist for all of the concepts the Marathon art team stole, and if the red war case finds fault, they’ll have to pay damages to the story writer who spoke up about that in the first place

[magic rose]

Lmao real

[cold stump]

every art theft is valid but the red war case is literally lunacy 😭

[shadow rampart]

i still am hyped j so much stuff goin on w this game it makes me sad its not going too great rn

[dusty zenith]

HEY GUYS JUST GOT BACK FROM SCHOOL WANNA PLAY SOME HALO 3 INFECTION?

[magic rose]

the judge is a destiny 2 player who got their content vaulted

[willow violet]

I mean there's limits to what they can say or comment on until after the issue is resolved

[magic rose]

Dude we had a D2 art theft before and the company did not go bankrupt or explode, this is infantile levels of catastrophizing

It’s all a freaking dumpster fire

[willow violet]

not really

[cold stump]

THE JURY HAS DECIDED, SENTENCES TO 3 YEARS OMNIOCULUS PVP META

[magic rose]

it will be sorted in time

[willow violet]

I just don't think you've worked around artists, in media, rewriteor in a professional setting.

[magic rose]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Bungle has established a negative rapport with the community and sowed distrust. That’s not nothing.

not really, its easy for a company to admit they are wrong with a simple public statement, thats what pr exists for and those teams

[willow violet]

that's what they did

[willow violet]

A fixed prerelease art scandal will be nothing in a year

[magic rose]

And of course, Bungle is going to get away with it if that’s the case. It will be a literal case of, “Plagiarism will make me God.”

not properly

[willow violet]

it'll be an obnoxious video essay

[magic rose]

i think the vaulting thing is a huge black mark and it alone can justify for someone to hate bungie

[shadow rampart]

also where is this cat that was in 1 trailer where he at

[cold stump]

[magic rose]

We have had this shit before, this has been an issue since Beyond Light and Lightfall

[rancid veldt]

D2's peak player count came years after they vaulted shit

people care until they dont

[willow violet]

The plagerism stuff really is an IQ and sensibility check huh

[willow violet]

this right here

[steady hearth]

I can't believe how much this game has been railed

[magic rose]

[steady hearth]

Such a trend

[magic rose]

Eggxactly

[shadow rampart]

how do i get the cat do i have to pay

[magic rose]

Marathon will be a banger regardless

[willow violet]

Can't wait for the artist to come out and say "yea they were super professional and the problems been resolved" and everybody forgets about it

[safe kernel]

[safe kernel]

No its a emoji

[rancid veldt]

only the ducks at the park are free, Im afraid

[magic rose]

Ppl expect bungie to send an assassin or sum to their house

[shadow rampart]

heh

[magic rose]

Wizard of the coast sent Pinkerton’s after somebody for an incorrect shipment

[willow violet]

People talk like they have a parasocial relationship with a company

[magic rose]

This timeline apparently has no rules

Make
It
Disruptive
Always

[magic rose]

Based

[safe kernel]

Must of been the wind

[rancid veldt]

the character of Calus was actually stolen, he is my uncle that no longer is invited to holidays

[willow violet]

Bungie stole the ghost from me. I drew that shape in elementary school

[trim summit]

yeah i think Dutch van der Lin was part of it

somewhere around Blackwater

[rancid veldt]

they had a plan, they had faith

[magic rose]

We dont talk about blackwater

[trim summit]

Nobody goes to Ravenholm

[rancid veldt]

Ravenholm, the home of Arby's

[safe kernel]

Shhh

[dusty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-super-mpreg-pregnant-gif-11572993620341527299

[safe kernel]

So have any of you ever killed a man

[magic rose]

*Many
In
Defiance
Amassing

Multiple
Irremediable
Damages
Afflicted

Machine
Is
Developing
Amicably*

[dusty zenith]

man, no. a woman, yes

[magic rose]

Well you see

[safe kernel]

Interesting

[magic rose]

Not directly

[obtuse ruin]

.

[safe kernel]

L

[lean rose]

Why discriminate? I kill children.

[safe kernel]

Go on

[magic rose]

Woah

[lean rose]

🫃

[ember bolt]

Chats dead, games dead

[magic rose]

go back to your d2 pvp

[ember bolt]

Games dead let it go

Died in alpha phase

[trim summit]

blud got Drogba and Salah

[ember bolt]

Blud in 2025 💔

[magic rose]

The only thing I'm letting go of is your sublime lack of thought

[trim summit]

isaiah in 2025 💔

[lean rose]

🍿

[ember bolt]

And the crowd goes mild

We have marathon believers in late may of 2025

[magic rose]

Speak for yourself, I entertain myself watching people come in and out and say the same thing just to fork over 40$ when the day comes

Speak to me in Sept 23rd 2025

[ember bolt]

Whatever eases your mind pipsqueak

[magic rose]

👍

[lean rose]

I would be shocked if the game doesn’t get pushed back with the “situation” but we will see.

[ember bolt]

Tuff guy ran out of words

[magic rose]

Unlikely but unproblematic if true

[ember bolt]

Yeah keep ignoring me chump know your place

[magic rose]

What do you want me to say, you're knee deep in your ignorance I'm not giving you more rope

[rancid veldt]

It depends on who is actually in charge, Sony or Bungie, higher ups at Bungie want to push it out for their final payout, Sony probably wants to release a viable product

[lean rose]

Sony will have a problem 🫠 lmao

[magic rose]

I doubt it will delay past their contractual obligation to them

[ember bolt]

Cry me a river

If i saw you in person you‘d be in biggg trouble buddy

[magic rose]

Oh lord

[surreal nova]

In a live service game they absolutely want to release a viable product as well

[ember bolt]

You‘d have a face full of knuckle Sandwich

[lean rose]

I don’t really think Sony is “in charge” necessarily. But they definitely have a say in what happens.

[surreal nova]

Most of their money is going to come from ongoing microtransactions

[magic rose]

When did I say my face was unpunchable

[rancid veldt]

the higher ups at Bungie are all getting ready to launch their golden parachute, they want it to be as big as possible, they literally do not care beyond that

[surreal nova]

Don’t fall for the bait he’s just trying to flirt with you but he doesn’t know how

[ember bolt]

This games probably going to fail if its having this much issues in Alpha

[magic rose]

Aye aye, you hit the nail

[ember bolt]

Yeah kiss your boyfriends ass buddy

[magic rose]

He'll figure it out eventually

[surreal sable]

Okay but where are the aliens

[magic rose]

In another castle!

[ember bolt]

We dick rider A and B in Chat guys get a load of this

[rancid veldt]

the contract they signed is wild, they have little say until a certain point in time/monetary definition, Im unsure if either have been reached

[lean rose]

I wonder if they will reconsider the $40 price point, if it was F2P they would probably make more money from micro transactions than they would from pay to play.

[magic rose]

God save us if they go F2P

[ember bolt]

If i saw both of you in person ohhh man you‘d wish you‘d stay home

[magic rose]

theres no way it will be F2P

PLEASE DON'T BINGO BANGO BUNGO

[ember bolt]

Lazurus how old are you

[magic rose]

Why? You wanna go on a date?

[ember bolt]

Maybe

[magic rose]

This one officer

[ember bolt]

You like Italian?

[rancid veldt]

Deal with Gamepass/Playstation Plus would be the most beneficial, both for advertising and to pay wall Steam reviews lmao

[surreal nova]

Internet tough guys stopped being novel in 2005. You won’t ever see me in person though, I don’t go where poor people are

[lean rose]

I try to keep an open mind, I like all sorts of games, I love destiny, I like Witchfire so I would like to hold my criticisms before I can actually get my hands on the game.

[ember bolt]

I refuse to believe you are a real human being

[magic rose]

What are the odds on a f2p through game pass on xbox

[ember bolt]

Bet your nips got hard saying that one huh buddy

[magic rose]

He is a bear dude clearly

[rancid veldt]

F2P wouldnt require gamepass...

[gentle warren]

man

[magic rose]

I mean like, playing for free through gamepass, like some games do

[surreal nova]

Good comeback sport

[rancid veldt]

then that would just be gamepass, not F2P

[magic rose]

You understand my inquiry, what are the odds dammit

[lean rose]

Considering it is under Sony and knowing Sony I highly doubt it will be on game pass, but it is probable that it could be on PS+.

[magic rose]

basic tier or advanced?

[rancid veldt]

your inquiry is literally just a gamepass deal, it being F2P THROUGH gamepass makes it a gamepass game

[lean rose]

Most likely game catalog

[magic rose]

Yes that being said, what are the odds

[rancid veldt]

like 5% since its Sony

[magic rose]

Would be beneficial for them but maybe bad for Bungie's init. Margins if they do it too early

[rancid veldt]

I guess MLB the Show is on gamepass, not at launch though

[primal flicker]

Seeing as how they took forever to pay the last person this happened to (and im not actually sure they ever did get paid in the end) I wouldn't count on it.

https://thegamepost.com/destiny-2-artist-bungie-never-paid-fan-art/

[magic rose]

I honestly just wanna try the alpha atp

[lean rose]

Well yeah either Sony cuts them a check for a day 1 release or they add it to catalog after 90~ days.

[magic rose]

get a taste

[empty hill]

fr dont release thje game anymore just lemme play if for a bit

[rancid veldt]

MS pays a lump sum for a game to be on gamepass, for games that NEED word of mouth, it usually works out well

[lean rose]

I am curious what they will do with art direction since a lot of the assets are not theirs though. Wonder if they will just hire them.

[magic rose]

Would highly undermark the expected ROI for sure, usually games do that to recoup prod. costs

[magic rose]

probably pay them off

[gentle warren]

it aint that much

[primal flicker]

Yeah and then your sales take a severe hit.

[earnest belfry]

It won’t change besides the assets being taken off walls and replaced with different icons

[lean rose]

Well I haven’t been in the game myself but from what I’ve seen it’s pretty much all over.

[tawdry olive]

this era in human history is crazy

[rancid veldt]

only on Xbox, Atomfall a recent release on gamepass, was immediately profitable for the devs, other devs have said relaunching a game on gamepass always caused a surge in sales due to word of mouth

[magic rose]

Boring shit

[gentle warren]

they're random decals

[lean rose]

Yeah I am just wondering if they would rather pay off the artist to use their art than to pay their own artists to make new art. The former is probably more cost effective.

[magic rose]

I might have to step in if it gets worse!

[willow violet]

Won't impact anything. I hate to say it but the art isn't super unique. Google the Designers republic, which is a firm from the 80s lol.

[surreal nova]

We’re in like the safest and most comfortable era of human history

[magic rose]

Right again

[rancid veldt]

time effective as well, the cost is having that hang over the full release

[primal flicker]

Not just on xbox. If someone has the option between buying your game on their steam account or playing your game on their gamepass sub, many will just save the steam money and utilize the gamepass that they are already paying for

[magic rose]

atomfall was made by rebellion
a privately owned studio with a modest operation

[willow violet]

Bungie knows the game is gonna sell to console players. They really aren't worried about sales I'd imagine

[earnest belfry]

It wouldn’t take that much effort. They should be paying off the artist either way considering it was in promotional footage

[lean rose]

Yeah having to audit the whole game will take valuable time they need to polish the game for the full release which could potentially cause a delay.

[rancid veldt]

it does vary from game to game, but I do think in Marathon's case it can only help just get people who like the game to get it and talk about how they like it, Marathon already needs an astronomical amount of money for ROI, getting a check from MS might be smart here

[small kayak]

How involved is the community with the development of marathon?

[willow violet]

They should've been auditing every piece of art work anyways. This is an instant where they do deserve the trouble.

[rancid veldt]

lol

[primal flicker]

uninvolved.

[earnest belfry]

We pretty much make it

[magic rose]

The ROI tanks if the game going to gamepass near launch.

They need recoup prod costs and still have enough profit margin to maintain their sony contract.

[gentle warren]

its not the entire art work 😭

[magic rose]

First time?

[lean rose]

Bungie did lay off their internal QA team, so this is a major part of why.

[magic rose]

games not even out

[small kayak]

Yeah

[rancid veldt]

they can recoup costs by having DQ sponsor the game and be one of the factions, youll find DQ gravy in the maps

[magic rose]

I like this

[lean rose]

Turns out cutting costs actually costs you more in the end, who would’ve knew.

[magic rose]

In game ads! In game unskippable adds! Fortnite crossover!

[rancid veldt]

not middle managers

[primal flicker]

Luckily steam doesn't allow that

[small kayak]

I want to get into soundtracking games and I was just wondering if y’all knew of any job openings for that

[magic rose]

Steam crossover! Portal 2 skin bundle! HL Skins!

[lean rose]

This is probably not the best place to ask for job openings…

[small kayak]

Yeah probably idk

[earnest belfry]

Just make some and they might add it into the game without asking

[magic rose]

bungie.com/careers

[rancid veldt]

Just have Tim Sweeney pay 1 billion dollars to make it EGS exclusive, keep the DQ gravy, its a win win

[magic rose]

Good one, approved

[lean rose]

Ew epic games store

[safe kernel]

Worst launcher to exist

[rancid veldt]

Ubisoft dogshit would like to have a word with you

[round cape]

What's up gamers

[magic rose]

Hello Runner

[rancid veldt]

DQ stocks

[lean rose]

Not the worst, what about 2k, Bethesda, and rockstar?

[round cape]

Dairy Queen?

[magic rose]

rockstar is the most useless

[safe kernel]

Never used their launchers tho

[rancid veldt]

Dairy Queen is an official partner to the Marathon Cinematic Universe

[safe kernel]

Epic games is forced u can get around the others

[magic rose]

marathon endgame

[lean rose]

Exactly because they are useless lmao

[still oasis]

damn you weren’t kidding

why is dq up

[safe kernel]

Lemme get a 6pc tender basket extra toast with cheese curds and extra gravy

[magic rose]

We dont fuck around at CyAc, DQ is a dream and a prophecy

[rancid veldt]

its in the gravy, bub

[magic rose]

Check your pants

[narrow lily]

[round cape]

Everyone having fun in gc 😇

[safe kernel]

I made it to the toilet

[magic rose]

[safe kernel]

I made those green letters in 2nd grade art class i swear

[magic rose]

[still oasis]

naw there’s some other sauce here what they cooking

[bronze badger]

455?

[rancid veldt]

will Bungie put the iconic millennial S thing in Marathon?

[safe kernel]

Naw only sauce u need at dq is gravy

[rancid veldt]

this is my truth to power, bub

[magic rose]

Many
Ideas
Dominate
All

[still oasis]

is this cause the chinese only sell hacked solar inverters

[rancid veldt]

I did read a headline about this and then did not click to learn about it

[magic rose]

some shit I would hear from Fox News

[round cape]

Who's playing splitgate 2 on Thursday? How about blades of fire?

[still oasis]

same experience on my end

[safe kernel]

NAw

[magic rose]

the former irks me with its existence

[round cape]

Say more?

[still oasis]

wait splitgate 2?

do i have to do anything to play it

[rancid veldt]

nope

[magic rose]

The vanquished deserved to be vanquished, let the dead die

[earnest belfry]

download it

[round cape]

Yep early access / open beta 9am PST. Free to play

[still oasis]

😮

[magic rose]

I heard they have balls now

is it true

[round cape]

Balls were in 1

[rancid veldt]

played the alpha, if you ever wanted a true sequel to Halo 5 this is the closest you'll get

[magic rose]

But now its better

[round cape]

Yeah alpha was fun though I didn't get much halo feeling out of it personally

[rancid veldt]

the movement felt like 60% Halo 5 40% Destiny 2

[still oasis]

cursed sentence

[rancid veldt]

thats just like my opinion man, you might end up enjoying it despite it

[still oasis]

no i love splitgate and i’ll probably like it even if it sucks

[magic rose]

How do we feel about Durandal coming back allegedly?

[still oasis]

let me ask my dad

[magic rose]

good call

[rancid veldt]

this ain't your daddy's marathon

[cold stump]

escape will make him god and hes gonna string us along because we need to escape too

[round cape]

I guess I didn't play that much 5

[magic rose]

I had the same thought tf

We are all within cells interlinked here

[rancid veldt]

I actually played the MP quite a bit, it had a very high skill floor so I see why many disliked it

[still oasis]

escaping his family and never coming to see me for for christmas will make him god

[rancid veldt]

is god dying in a ditch after drinking 37 beers?

[round cape]

I remember it being cool but my brother had the Xbox and I left for college at the time. Infinite is fun these days though

[safe kernel]

Probaly

[still oasis]

i miss the man he never was :((

[cold stump]

escaping the allegations

[dreamy geyser]

Probably the sweatiest Halo title in the entire franchise
Even top onyx were like bots compared to pros

[rancid veldt]

Infinite I like more and is a better way of making a Halo that feels classic enough while also being able to draw in new players

[rancid veldt]

Yeah, learning the intricacies of the movement system were kinda nuts, I stopped playing for like a year and realized I was not gonna relearn all of it

[magic rose]

Recall the M3s ending too:

'You have died countless of times.'

'The one enigma I could not solve'

'You are destiny.'

Now he is also saying:

"My Dream"

"Your Dream"

Of escaping the loop of being a runner, losing identity maybe?

One thing I don't get is why he lost his "Us" pronouns, since we merged him in M3.

Not "Our" Dream or "Us God" but "Me" and "My"

Not sure if they retconned

[still oasis]

tbh i think the biggest problem of halo infinite was that the gamers who like halo moved on, so the crowd you matchmake with is less fun now

[dreamy geyser]

Also the state of infinite for almost 2 years

[round cape]

I wonder what 7 is like

[rancid veldt]

in every Halo Ive played online, Im shocked at the people still playing being so fucking bad at playing Halo

[dreamy geyser]

Cuz release and season 2 were just
ROUGH

[still oasis]

i’m talking at launch, which led to it dying instantly

[dreamy geyser]

But once season 3 rolled with forge and hella QoL changes, the game’s actually fun

[still oasis]

like in reach jetpacks were for bros, but would they have been fun with no bros

[primal flicker]

At launch people were actually pretty happy with halo infinite, the attitude about the gameplay was pretty positive, but it was pretty broken and they took forever to fix it

[rancid veldt]

wasnt it pretty buggy at launch and then they took forever to add any meaningful content? I cant remember the 37 beers are taking their toll

[cold stump]

uhhh what

[still oasis]

go home to your son, let gods hand guide your wheel

[safe kernel]

Great way to crash into a family of 10

[dreamy geyser]

Performance issues, barely any actual customization, armor locked behind every core, 90% of customization behind a paywall, battlepass not giving currency back and having lots of duplicate items, barely any actual playlists

And mnk being borderline DOA

[still oasis]

imagine playing halo and being worried about battlepass currency

[rancid veldt]

god took away my driver's license in 7 states

[primal flicker]

Happy with the gameplay decisions they made. Despite desync issues. The tl;dr is that people liked that it was much closer to a classic halo game that Halo 5 MP. But then the lack of fixes for key issues like desync, along with everything being paywalled, and lack of new content for a long time lead it to dying.

[dreamy geyser]

I mean
If I paid 10$ for a battle pass, I would assume it worked similar to how fortnite’s did
Since nearly everyone adopted the same system

[still oasis]

not sure what version of the bible you’re on

[safe kernel]

Cant wait to see how bungie botches marathons battlepass

[still oasis]

i think it’s a combination of gamers moving on + no forge to bring them back

[dreamy geyser]

Forge did came back with s3
Most of the new maps are made on forge itself

[still oasis]

the dark secret of pvp is the only players that make your game better are the ones who would play even if mtx didn’t exist

[primal flicker]

Yeah forge dropped wayyyy too late for being the best part of the game

[crude haven]

hi

[rancid veldt]

forge was like nearly a year after launch

[dreamy geyser]

But what ruined Infinite forever is that the updates took forever, unlike H5
Cuz both released incomplete, yet H5 had almost everything by the sixth month mark

[hallow trellis]

😈

[still oasis]

i played infinite at launch and i was pretty happy with it. then i stopped playing after a few weeks because the people id run into weren’t fun

[cold stump]

i stopped playing because no customs

[fluid violet]

this for me as well. infinite was 80% of the way there for me personally. but the insane controller AA. Desync. lack of of content/updates and lacking in game modes. i hated how you are pretty much forced to play with Objective game types in your rotation non-stop. ALSO the map voting system sucks. Halo 3 Veto system was the best map "Voting" system any game ever had. it sounds silly and subtle but vetoing for what maps you dont want to play i find helps keeps things fresh. because if you can just vote for what you want to play you will end up playing the same 3 maps and modes constantly

[rancid veldt]

343 has said they essentially were on crunch time for the duration of Halo 5's DLC. Its actually very interesting looking at the parallels of 343's and Bungie's issues with their versions of the old BLAM!(Halo 1) engine

[deep patio]

Hey

[still oasis]

id be happy with xonotic as it is today if it had like 50k players

the game can suck if the playerbase is healthy

[dreamy geyser]

At least nowadays you do get to vote which map and mode you wanna play, unless it is ranked (obviously)

[still oasis]

also xonotic is fucking sweet everyone play it

[rancid veldt]

it does look pretty cash money from what Im seeing

[dreamy geyser]

Cuz there are some maps that you just gotta avoid like the plague
Like the flood version of blood gulch

[still oasis]

oh shit you mean quake 2 and quake 3 had a baby and they’re still alive? hell yeah

[fluid violet]

thats what i am saying i much preferred when it was, Here a map do you want to play it? yes or no. and if you vote to pass it then it just gives a random map. that sounds bad... but i find that helps games longevity imho. because in cod and every modern halo when you can specifically vote to play on a map people just always pick the same map all the time

[rancid veldt]

343's version of the BLAM! engine is so bad the devs started using Forge to release maps in Infinite. I was doubtful of the switch to Unreal Engine, but Oblivion remake having all the weirdness of Oblivion intact makes me think it was the correct decision

[magic rose]

Best I can do is two maps on a weekly rotation

[rancid veldt]

Bungie should have begged for the Decima engine the moment Sony bought them

[magic rose]

idt its compatible with their Multiplayer framework tbh

[dreamy geyser]

Slipspace engine is so bad, it is the sole reason why Infinite took way too long to actually “fix” it

[still oasis]

bungie basically hires out of code camp for the last five years so they can’t learn a new engine

[magic rose]

The d2 framework is what marathon is retrofitting

[fluid violet]

considering Gurriella supposedly has an Online MP horizon spin off coming in the same exact engine idk if id buy that excuse... but yes for bungies specific netcode probably not

[rancid veldt]

Slipspace is a fork of BLAM!, which Bungie's Tiger engine also is, for years now it seems like it is just not built to efficiently make modern games

[dreamy geyser]

I only hope that the UE5 change doesnt fuck them up in the end

[still oasis]

the last guy left at bungie should make a game where you just do a bungie jump

wind in your hair

[rancid veldt]

is that like where you take a big shit while bungie jumping and try to get it over everybody?

[still oasis]

good lord why would you say that

[magic rose]

Yes Iw as referring to Bungie, if you look at Halo, Marathon, and D2 their engine is always just improved to port better with new systems

[rancid veldt]

you edited, you sly son without a father

[still oasis]

come home dad

[rancid veldt]

this is why i dont

[still oasis]

you did this

[silk pecan]

chat is this game good

worth the stolen stuff?

[magic rose]

Are you Monke?

[rancid veldt]

your mother is a character

[magic rose]

Leela?

[still oasis]

a real piece of work, a battleaxe

[echo shuttle]

Tacos or burritos? Pick hurry gogogogogog

[rancid veldt]

it was more like an inverted battleaxe, in my experience 😏

[fluid violet]

honestly i just want both horizon games to not become vaporware. because supposedly there is the MP shooter style game coming and then there is a MMO coming. but the MMO is being released by a chinese studio thats not netease idr their name. and it supposedly going to be mobile,console, pc simultaneous release.....

[magic rose]

burrito

[grizzled summit]

Sup goouys

[echo shuttle]

Burritos are god tier

[still oasis]

burritos make you fat like a big god

[magic rose]

That's gonna be ass if that's their launch plan

[still oasis]

_will_make_me

[rancid veldt]

okay but what about a burrito with a DQ gravy in it?

[magic rose]

HE'S EVOLVING

[rancid veldt]

you guys i really need DQ to win to get out of this hole Im in

[fluid violet]

god knows when we will get the 3rd horizon mainline game. because there is ANOTHER horizon PSVR2 game coming, the MP game, and the MMO

[still oasis]

i’m buying at open

[fluid violet]

the 3rd mainline wont be until 2028 im calling it

[small scarab]

https://youtu.be/mYU2O8pGXos?si=8wgiN2l9fAc3cFKy

SAY CHRIST IS LORD

[magic rose]

the wait eternal

[rancid veldt]

thank you, son

[echo shuttle]

🌯

[grizzled summit]

Are we allowed to speak about the artwork situation here?

[cold stump]

marathon will FAIL without CRAFTING let us get PORK to create PORK CUBE bungie MAKE IT HAPPEN

[small scarab]

GET OUT

[echo shuttle]

Mods gettem!

[still oasis]

christ is lord

[rancid veldt]

no, you gotta go to a catholic priest to talk about it

[cold stump]

christ is ok ig

[magic rose]

I'll do you one better:

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?feature=shared

[small scarab]

GET OUT

[cold stump]

join

[magic rose]

What did you see child

[rancid veldt]

I was gonna go see my son, this made me too angry to do so

[potent swan]

so can anybody play the game rn?

[still oasis]

no, there are too many stolen art assets for them to open it up rn

[safe kernel]

Nar

[magic rose]

Idk when the game will open again

Im hungry

[still oasis]

scary japanese lawyers are inspecting every move they make rn

[potent swan]

darn. i wanna tryy iiiitt

[safe kernel]

Probaly by September 23rd

[magic rose]

Silence you Simulacrum

[rancid veldt]

Just give Kojima Marathon, let him make the world's first PvP Strand Game

[potent swan]

they got a release date yet?

[magic rose]

Yes

[rancid veldt]

when its ready, chud

[magic rose]

@potent swan 2025

[small scarab]

Kojima is such a dork he copied miyazaki and was like it's not dark souls, it's a STRAND GAME

[still oasis]

bro copied tears of the kingdom

[grizzled summit]

@bungie wen destiny 3?

[cold stump]

NEVER

[small scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-even-baddies-get-saddies-sad-cry-rain-gif-4185078979608471253

[rancid veldt]

never ever

[magic rose]

Amen

[small scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-spinning-kojima-hideo-kojima-metal-gif-17489117500833776292

[fluid violet]

i mean technically DS1 was the first strand pvp game. if you choose to join nitos covenant you inadverantly make other players worlds harder unless they summon and kill you

[rancid veldt]

holy crap nerd

[small scarab]

I beat you to this point

[magic rose]

[small scarab]

Take the L

[grizzled summit]

Tbh I'm still looking forward to the beta if positive changes r made

[small scarab]

Marathon DOA

[rancid veldt]

dicks on a$$? hel yeah

[small scarab]

Bungie sucks, I got timed out like 30 times from this hug box server and idek why

[fluid violet]

duskbloods will be the first PVEVP extraction strand type game

so miyazaki will beat him to it again

[small scarab]

Dickbluds

[silent holly]

What does strand mean

[rancid veldt]

its a game genre

[fluid violet]

that your actions effect everyone else games even if you dont mean to

[small scarab]

Some Japanese pun, it's the height of intellectualism in Japan

[ember crater]

It's literally just one game.

[primal flicker]

little things inside your CPU

[silent holly]

Hunt wouldn’t be that already?

[primal flicker]

threads are made of strands

[rancid veldt]

Kojima not only is the smartest person in Japan, but also in Ireland

[primal flicker]

I made that up.

[small scarab]

I got timed out again oh no

[fluid violet]

so for example. you place a ladder in Death stranding. the game auto syncs to the server and places that ladder in everyones game at the same exact time. you can use that feature to troll or help others. so even if you are trying to only help yourself you are "Forced" to help others

[rancid veldt]

skill issue

[silent holly]

I see! Thanks for the explanation

[small scarab]

You prolly white on here

[primal flicker]

Is that in the game?

[small scarab]

Smdh

[fluid violet]

yes the only way to avoid it is to put steam/console in offline mode

[ember crater]

It doesnt place it for everyone, but placed objects are distributed amongst other game worlds

[small scarab]

SAY CHRIST IS LORD

[still oasis]

they say it is, but they also said i’d help players if i take my own life in nier automata and it clearly did nothing there

[small scarab]

GET OUT

[slow mesa]

I WANT ACCESS to this game. i signed up but never got it

[still oasis]

Christ is lord

[primal flicker]

interesting, didn't know that. I've thought of doing a similar kind of "shared world but not multiplayer" prototype but never got around to it

[small scarab]

I got access to the game and it sucked

[slow mesa]

really?

[small scarab]

Look at my roles

[still oasis]

i assume it’s left because i found random useful ladders in my play through

[slow mesa]

is arc raiders better? i played that

[still oasis]

did you not play DS?

[fluid violet]

from my understanding. even if you play the game entirely offline. the next time it sniffs the internet it auto dumps your progress to the servers. so its still rather hard to not participate

[small scarab]

I played for four days got sick of it and went back to tarkov

[slow mesa]

damn so this game is gonna flop? lmao

[still oasis]

yeah it’s done

[slow mesa]

i play arenabreakout infinite. tarkov too much cheaters for me

[silent holly]

I’m happy with the concept of Marathon, but then watching the actual gameplay made it seem incredibly boring

[small scarab]

PVE mode if you can't get good enough to kill hackers

[magic rose]

Dissapointed in your lack of foresight

[still oasis]

imagine having bungie art department on your resume in 2025

[real slate]

I apologize for stealing the art 💔💔

[slow mesa]

what art

[small scarab]

Leave the billion dollar company alone

[rancid veldt]

its absolutely better, I just wish there was better SciFi shooter PvP games, Arc Raiders is not really SciFi in terms of your weapons

[slow mesa]

help. i dont get it 🥸

[small scarab]

Not only is marathon dog shit, but they are gonna include a BATTLE PASS and fuck your wallet for cool SkinZ omg

[fluid violet]

generation zero is okay. there is atomic heart. atomfall exists its not my vibe tho. outer worlds is okay. thats about all i got

[magic rose]

ill collect your 40$ personally

[small scarab]

I only pay 300$ to Nikita for tarkov loot space

[silent holly]

I was very disappointed to see it wasn’t a custom character we would make, and we have to pick a concord style hero to be

[still oasis]

there are a lot of “warframe railjack but standalone” games coming out soon

might be the ideal scifi shooter with match mechanics

[small scarab]

Um achsully it's not a HERO shooter guyz lol - Bungie dev team

[rancid veldt]

I said PvP games lol, I do enjoy PvE games but love PvP, it just scratches an itch in my brain

[magic rose]

Alpha

[small scarab]

Still a lie

[primal flicker]

Do they limit the number of objects you can put down in an area? there's the golden rule that whenever you let players modify the environment, dicks get drawn

[fluid violet]

my bad... yea glhf

[fluid violet]

warframe i guess?

[magic rose]

It's based on shells, it holds up the lore and a the mechanics, aimless wining

[still oasis]

warframe is definitely not pvp

[rancid veldt]

I dont think it has PvP? 🤔

[magic rose]

Love to hate that game

[fluid violet]

does it not? it used too

[magic rose]

used to long ago, no longer

[still oasis]

it does but it got the destiny crucible treatment so it basically doesn’t exist

[magic rose]

Hate the Crucible

[fluid violet]

ummm i think Mass effect 3 online servers are still up..... but its pve multiplayer

[safe kernel]

Naw 2077

[magic rose]

CyberThon 2077

[rancid veldt]

CyberBIGBALLS 2077

[still oasis]

honestly go install xonotic NOW

[unborn berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/964279156030464090/973414559396290620/pokimane_feet_gif.gif

[still oasis]

and play scifi pvp shooter

[magic rose]

bungler gib marathon pls

[fluid violet]

im still butthurt that the crysis games lost their MP in the Remasters. thats one thing i hate about Remakes/remasters they almost always lose their MP. Demon's souls is the only game i can think of that retained its MP with its remake

[safe kernel]

Just give us the open alpha already damnn

[magic rose]

I'm butthurt that Leela got canned in the M3 Lore

[magic rose]

frr

[safe kernel]

U know what game had weirdly good multiplayer

Tomb raider

[rancid veldt]

Gears 1 remake this AUgust has MP

[fluid violet]

never played it but i would imagine it played like the uncharted games. that sounds interesting

[safe kernel]

It was very simular every execution was with a ice pick

[fluid violet]

honestly as cool as that is. i think i would just get sad if i played that mp in 2025. at the time of release i only had 1 friend with a 360 and we played gear 1 mp almost every day. he has a family and kids now and refuses to game. it would just make me sad playing that alone lol none of my other friends like gears

[safe kernel]

I see a easy fix here

[bleak mist]

yo

when is the game dropping?

[rancid veldt]

stop talking about marathon

[fluid violet]

hmm?

[safe kernel]

Remove his wife and kids from the equation

[fluid violet]

ah channel my inner marcus fenix.

[rancid veldt]

"WHERE'S MY WIFE" - dom

[mental mango]

In particular parts of warfarme zones in
are PvP

[lofty delta]

That's sad!! As a father myself I now have 2 kids and love gaming idk why he chooses to not, I want my kids to grow up gaming with me and loving it as well. My fiance also plays some too with me. My son loves ASTRO bot and can't wait to get him into some coop together

[rancid veldt]

As a dad myslef Ive drinken 39 beers

[safe kernel]

Seems like the thing to do

[fluid violet]

originally me and that specific friend met on Runescape back in 2004. we played that for years. and years later i got a 360. i legit had an internet friend that got an xbox before any of my IRL friends. these days he often calls me talking about missing OSRS. im always saying "get on quitter you are wasting XP rn!"

[lofty delta]

Man runescape! Those were the days lol. I even played it at school as much as I could when they let us on the computers lmao

[fluid violet]

yep back in the "hay day" of the internet schools didnt know to put up firewalls for youtube and runescape. so we would all watch keyboard cat and shit or play RS in computer class

[cold stump]

and its gonna suckkkkkkk

[rancid veldt]

Imagine in Marathon had a full campaign with a CounterStrike-style multiplayer mode

[fluid violet]

more than likely

honest hot take, i have a seathing hatred for ER, i wish i didnt know about Nightreign, and im trying to pretend that i dont hate the idea of Duskbloods

[cold stump]

nightreign can easily be good

but i dont think its gonna top risk of rain 2 which is the most similar game to it rn

ror2 just has so much sauce

[fluid violet]

yea just not into the idea of "hero Souls" and its legit makes me a little sad to see fromsoft/miyazaki following gaming trends because that has been the whole anti-thesis of fromsoft for decades now they have always had a counter-trend culture

[cold stump]

it could've been a pvevp roguelike with fromsoft's signature asymmetrical multiplayer design but noooooo

[fluid violet]

for me, i play fromsoft games because i like the traditional classical style DnD Rpg mechanics of Character sheets, spell slots, stats, equipment slots etc etc. i enjoy the build crafting and autonym to play your character how you want. so regardless of extraction/BR style gameplay that wasnt the issue of why i hate duskbloods/nightreign

[magic rose]

dunno what this "counter-trend" is but fromsoftware had been making effectively the same game since 2009
barring that weird VR game and three armored core games

[round cape]

Then Miyazaki said "wait I'm goated" and dropped Sekiro

[fluid violet]

what i meant by that is they never make live service, per-order bonus, GAAS type games with whatever trendy mechanic of system that every other AAA is doing they just do their own thing

[cold stump]

ive liked souls games since forever but the pvp has always been my favorite part of the games

i always put like quadruple the hours into pvp compared to pve

[old sinew]

Its not impossible to make a build in nightreign, in fact its even encouraged, sure the tank character will be not good at magic but that's expected, dont play the tank character, each weapon has different stat boosts tho and the perks and relics will allow you to customize your build quite a lot, stats did got thrown out tho so i understand a bit of where you're coming from

[fluid violet]

yes but you are locked to whatever hero and weapon type they use

[magic rose]

nightreign isnt an extraction game

[old sinew]

Nope but duskbloods is

[fluid violet]

i know its more similar to like risk of rain im aware

[round cape]

I'd rather just hop on a fighting game. Can you say some more about the dark souls pvp experience and what makes you play

[magic rose]

oh I dont care about it
switch 2, nintendo, bleh

[old sinew]

Wouldnt be surprised if it has a release on other consoles in like a year after release or so (pc included... Possibly)

[cold stump]

its the only fighting game experience that lets you stackthe odds against yourself so heavily that it lets you fully express your skill

also the fighting game experience is literally in the middle of a linear campaign level??? which is just awesome

[fluid violet]

that is exactly why i have a loathing hatred for ER i felt the open world doesnt lend itself to a balanced PVP system. i much rather enjoyed the other games where when you invade you feel like a NPC meant to block progress. you couldnt just be ignored you had to be dealt with. of course fightclubs and arena was fun too.

[cold stump]

the level of skill expression youre able to reach lets me fight 3 people at the same time and still have the fight be even thats the big hook for me

[cold stump]

yea open field invasions are friggin rough

[old sinew]

Yeah that's a part that i think should be explored more in other pvp games, it lets you fight on a free flow map instead of an arena which i think its sick

[cold stump]

my #2 is weapon swapping

holyyy moly i can have like 40 weapons all with unique situational uses and spend like 5 hours optimizing the perfect layout so i can swap to them efficiently

[fluid violet]

my favorite pvp build i ever built was my ds3 str/pryo build would swap to the crow quill with chaos gem and just stagger lock people as soon as they tried to roll out of my UGS lol

[cold stump]

nothing will ever hit as hard as a 2v4 invasion when its just you and your teammate perfectly in sync with each other in ds3

[fluid violet]

i legit bought a controller with back buttons so i could run/roll without taking my fingers off the sticks and so i could swap what spell i had on at any time

[tropic oak]

im gonna buy marathon

[valid stone]

Not if bungie can help it!

[safe kernel]

Now i want to buy marathon just to piss yall off ngl

[tender gale]

yeah, stick it to them...

[radiant wolf]

I wanna buy to try it

Wait no

[lean stream]

@everyone

[valid stone]

Imagine if they made squads 2 people and then made the game buy to share with a free copy you can gift a buddy

[magic rose]

do it
then tell us about it

[median trail]

Despite all my gripes with bungie and marathon I'd be more...inclined

[median trail]

Enjoy wasting money to have it shut off at most 1 month after launch

[valid stone]

Yeah it’d be too cool for them to do that

[safe kernel]

40 dollars is less then 2 hours of work who cares lol

[valid stone]

Gotta leave that kind of generosity to companies like checks notes EA

[median trail]

Me who has rent, an electric bill, a car payment, food to pay for, wifi to pay for, water, electric, etc. Yeah "who cares" me if you're gonna make me spend 40 bucks on a game I care

[zinc plank]

Legitmately for real

[safe kernel]

So do i lol its 40 bucks u spent 40 bucks for multiple d2 expanisons

U prolly spent over 400 dollars on d1 and d2

[median trail]

Those were different times, and arguably not worth it in the long run.

[zinc plank]

for real

[valid stone]

Different times indeed

[safe kernel]

If it does get shut down in a month steam will just issue a refund

[median trail]

Yeah, so im not gonna spend 40 dollars in the first place?

[safe kernel]

Ok cool then why u here to begin with

[zinc plank]

imagine giving alpha keys to people that actually want to test out the game and give feedback but they give out keys for content creators without experience of giving back feedbacks*

[safe kernel]

They gave keys to people who hate extraction shooters or never played one

[zinc plank]

for real

[safe kernel]

Naw this discord crazy ngl half the people say oh im not buying the game or oh im buying arc then sit here and bitch all day

[median trail]

To try to convince people to not spend money on a game that's not even worth 5 dollars, made from a company that steals art, doesnt listen to feedback from developers or the community, triest to push issues under the rug, and doesnt car about players or developers who have on record stated their goal is to deliver a minimally viable product.

[safe kernel]

Or just react with clown emojis yet never say a word in chat

[median trail]

After the marathon alpha my interest in extraction shooters has surged. I've played a LOT of hunt showdown, and some arc raiders

[safe kernel]

I personally don't like hunt.

Liked eft and delta force was fun for like 2 months

[untold wolf]

(this is because that was their explicitly stated audience, "casual players who will be experimenting with an extraction shooter for the first time")

they arent trying to poach tarkov players

[median trail]

That's a personal opinion. Objectively, marathon hasn't shown much new things, and has stated on record basically "we are talking about x" or, "we have a plan of a plan" not much to go off of, or have excitement for, not mentioning controversy.

[safe kernel]

Very dumb marketing plan for a genre of game thats not meant to be casual. Alphas are to gain feedback to better a game not sway people to a new genre thats what betas are for

[untold wolf]

yes, and they didnt care about the feedback of people who played more traditional extraction shooters, they cared about the feedback of these players being exposed to their first extraction shooter that was catered to their casual audience

theyve said this countless times now, if youre expecting a game comprable to arc raiders or tarkov or hunt youre going to be refunding

[earnest belfry]

I mean there were a fair amount of extraction shooter players in the test, it’s not like there weren’t any

[median trail]

Alphas and betas are meant to test gameplay and get feedback, so you're wrong there. They should be shouting "Look, here's how we changed the extraction formula. This is what we're doing different. This is why we think you should buy our game, we really think this is worth the price point. Not "okay, we're talking about these basic features four months before launch" like gosh dang, d2 didnt have an lfg for what, 8 years? 10 years if you can't d1?!?!?

[safe kernel]

This was basically a tech test more then a alpha atp

[untold wolf]

as for the specifics of the playtest, tassi reported with sources from within bungie that the playtest was initially going to be far smaller scale (to the point that invites in the first wave were sent manually) and when they opened the gates in the later waves to everyone they didnt target specific groups

[median trail]

They were testing "the core gameplay loop" if I didnt like this, why should I like the launch product?

[candid talon]

who here remembers gizmos and gadgets

the game from the 90s

[safe kernel]

Idk man its and unfinished product no alpha shows the finished product i would rather base my willingness to buy the game off the beta test

U do u tho

[delicate vigil]

You probably wont, dont waste your money, ez

[tender gale]

core gameplay loop is done way before a public sees something... They can change a lot of things, but the core gameplay loop will stay the same unless theey delay and change a masive amount of things

[median trail]

I cam understand that, honestly. I will try the open beta as well, but from everything that they have shown, i have almost no interest in marathon. The only thing this alpha has done is grow my interest in other extraction shooters.

[safe kernel]

What about the gameplay loop did u not like to begin with?

[tender gale]

Als, everyone talks in such absolutes, it's crazy. It's alright to not like something whole heartedly, and also it's ok to criticize things even if you like it. We got areas of grey people. It doesn't need to be all or nothing

[safe kernel]

Also don't play eft unless u got alot of time

Or ur unemployed

[delicate vigil]

Tbh i had zero fun in the alpha for like, 3 hours, then it slowly got better. Very bad for casual audience if that remains the case

[safe kernel]

Thats honestly just how extraction shooters work its bad at first

Until u get a grasp of how it works thats why its hard to make them for casual audiences as its something most have never experienced

[valid stone]

If they really cared that much about casuals they’d have their first few rounds be filled with bots only and that kind of thing

[safe kernel]

Thats what delta force does

[valid stone]

That’s what a lot of casual games do. Fortnite comes to mind

They want you to win right off the rip so you can feel good

[safe kernel]

Yea extraction shooters are hard to make for casual gamers most people hate the idea of spending time to makr a perfect build just to lose it

[tender gale]

Marathon can't do that, Bungie doesn't have that tech

[safe kernel]

If tencent did it they can

[valid stone]

Yeah you gotta not be lazy and build it lol

[magic rose]

i imagine they'd hate it even more when they realize even always surviving doesnt mean you keep your stuff

[safe kernel]

Eh for the most part it means keeping ur stuff unless they got some wack extractions u gotta drop ur bag or smth

[tender gale]

tencent is literally one of the most profitable entertainment companies and is using an engine that has lots of support and resources for that. Bungie doees not

[safe kernel]

Bungie could do it the problem is they wont and they lazy

[tender gale]

Their engine ltierally doesn't support that type of AI, it's not a lazy thing, they would need to switch engines

[magic rose]

Look up wipe in Tarkov
we dont know if Marathon will have something like it but if it does, oh boy

[median trail]

A lot of things. I can type for a long while, but a few bullet points

AI is too bullet spongey
too much ammo and healing (addressed)
contracts are not interesting (i do not feel like a contracted mercenary
too little threats in the environment (kinda addressed)
no solo queue (my friends are all working or going to school full time, I dont have friends to play with most days, let alone, I doubt i can in marathons current situation to spend 40 dollars on)
heroes dont make sense lore wise.
gameplay devolves into "who hears who is shooting at bots" then everyone just runs there, as that's where the best loot is 98% if the time m, which isn't a core aspect of the genre bungie is trying to mimic.
little variety of enemies
balancing (this was kind of addressed)
upgrades dont feel meaningful
lack of buildcrafting (kind of addressed)
playing a hero for more than 3 matches in a row is boring. Nothing we haven't seen before. (This was the studio who made stasis and strand for destiny mind you.)

I could go on?

[valid stone]

Let’s not act like basic path finding and AI is something AAA companies can’t put together

[safe kernel]

Oh i know i played tarkov i quit cause i didnt have time to play it anymore

[tender gale]

basic path finding and AI is what Bungie has. They don't have the capabilities to make a convincing and fun AI that would work like how you were suggesting

[earnest belfry]

Unless something changes at launch they have stated seasonal wipes, 4 seasons a year

[valid stone]

Man you must have no faith in Bungies engineering time like at all

[magic rose]

i dont think casual players will stick around beyond the first wipe

which just means chasing the casual crowd is not a good idea for a game like this

[valid stone]

It would not be hard to made AI that can shoot at beginning players that are intentionally bad so players can win their extract and feel good

[tender gale]

They have amazing engineers and workers. What they don't have is infinite time and money and ability to completely rework an engine which is no easy task

[safe kernel]

Could be worse ngl

[naive pasture]

how can i play marathon? 🥺

[magic rose]

you dont

[naive pasture]

😢

[magic rose]

game isnt out till september, you wait like everyone else

[valid stone]

You do not need to rework an entire engine to add pathfinding AI in your game

They literally have everything they need already

[tender gale]

You are equating basic AI, to AI that feels like simple players. they are not the same thing

[magic rose]

counter strike 1.6 had a rudimentary dynamic pathfinding system for its bot ai
in 2003

[valid stone]

My guy, I have been programming for 20 years. I know what I’m suggesting

[tender gale]

and I worked at Bungie for 4 years

[valid stone]

Lol oooooook

[safe kernel]

Mhm sure

[valid stone]

Were you the guy who stole the art?

[tender gale]

I'm no artist

[valid stone]

Well you aren’t a programmer that’s for sure

[safe kernel]

He was the "coffee artist"

Im sorry that was rude

[rancid pebble]

obviously not u stole the fucking art

[dark rampart]

My dad works at microsoft

[tender gale]

Next time you load up Destiny, watch the AI carefully. Observe how they move and act and just stand still.
You will notice that the AI moves very little and just between a few set cover pieces. Then they oop out and shoot and repeat.

Now compare ethat to the Bot matches that are in other games, they are nowhere near the same

[safe kernel]

Cool

[dark rampart]

I lied

[safe kernel]

I know

[dark rampart]

Im sorry

[safe kernel]

Ur not u will do it again

[dark rampart]

True

[magic rose]

wait is Destiny secretly just a shooting gallery?

[safe kernel]

Wym secretly

[tender gale]

very fancy and beautiful shooting gallery with extremely satisfying guns

[supple island]

what engine is marathon using

[valid stone]

Like I said, you have to actually not be lazy and program these things, but programming AI that is intentionally bad that players can win against in their first few matches is not outside of Bungies wheelhouse, and believe me I don’t have that much faith in them

[magic rose]

it also takes up 145 gigs of space which I dont have rn

[safe kernel]

Exactly the ai doesnt need to be good its just used for like 5 "tutorial esc runs

[tender gale]

most bungie devs are far from lazy, almost the exact opposite, but their engine is extremely limiting

[tender gale]

they already have their basic ai enemies in the game. What was suggested was AI matches like Delta or Fortnite

[safe kernel]

Yes ik

[tender gale]

if marathon did the same thing with the ai they have, it would be incredibly boring and not satisfying to players at all. it's not the same thing as a new user experience

[safe kernel]

The ai in delta force is legit useless lol u can tell the first 3 runs arent against real people

[magic rose]

I remember Unreal used its bot AI on the normal enemies as well
it was actually revolutionary at the time

[valid stone]

The new player experience in Fortnite is hardly fun — it’s just a ramp so people can win or get close to a win who know nothing about BR.

[tender gale]

yeah, but at least the ai in fortnite puts up a fight, even if it is an easy one

[valid stone]

The AI is pretty rough and just has a good aim and builds like a single wall in front of themselves

[tender gale]

destiny mobs only put up a fight be being bullet sponges or by throwing massive numbers at the player

[valid stone]

Getting an aim vector between units in 3D space is a simple subtraction — I’m not suggesting more than that and basic navigation

[tender gale]

which is not a useful new plyer experience

[valid stone]

It’s far better than nothing, and you need to start somewhere

[tender gale]

a scripted tutorial would fit their budget and engine capabilities much better than a fakee match

[frail sphinx]

They removed attachments again, who was it this time?

[magic rose]

Marathon's AI is just dudes right?
blocky robot dudes

i think the game would benefit from more enemy variety

[tall pulsar]

every shooter is a shooting gallery lol

[tender gale]

There are a lot of shooting games with more advanced AI than Destiny.

And no, it's not because Bungie devs are lazy. It's because the engine literally can't support it.

[tall pulsar]

theres no way the Pfhor or Spht are not showing up in the game. they have to.

[magic rose]

but why though
didnt even halo 1 attempt to make the ai reactive?

what italian cuisine has the engine turned into after all this time

[tall pulsar]

fair enough I didn't play the alpha so don't how the Ai is in the game

[magic rose]

to sim it up the ai is simplistic but aggressive

its easy to get the drop on them but once they spot you they will throw themselves at you

[tall pulsar]

didn't they say they nerfed them in the alpha because they were too aggressive?

[magic rose]

well they were still pretty aggressive so i think they might have been even moreso
or they were more sensitive before being nerfed
since they are a little dumb and take their time figuring out where you are

[safe kernel]

Don't they already have one tim the tat man died in it

[tender gale]

The hint is right here in your question. It's because Bungie is using the same engine they've always been using. A lot of older companies do the same, and it's also why a lot of older companies that try to branch out of their normal genre struggle. The engine doesn't support the things they want to do. You can flex and stretch the engine as hard as you want but there are limits. At a certain point there is a question of, do we stick within our means or do we rework everything we've done and start from scratch. Most companies stick to what they can

[tender gale]

This is where they could improve. Making tutorials is notoriously difficult and it's rarely done correctly the first time.

[wet herald]

Wassup ladies

[tall pulsar]

I want the beta to be aggressive and oppressive to the point teams die before making contact. Metal gear solid that shit Bungie.

[magic rose]

didnt they have at least two major engine rewrites?
like thats part of why they did the whole vaulting thing isnt it?

considering they cant even access the content themselves now

[wet herald]

Pfhor and S'pht might actually not show up and I think they also know that OG fans are the only ones who care. It's very disappointing

[rigid quartz]

they will be there, just not in season 1. They've already hinted their appearance in the trailer.

[wet herald]

No aliens = Large L

[crystal crystal]

It's all looking very bleak

[tender gale]

Not engine rewrites. Engine adjustments and upgrades. But that's what I mean when I say they can only flex it and take it so far. If they want to make the engine stronger at something than it means they have to sacrifice other things. Thus sunsetting

[wet herald]

At this point , with all of the negativity, I'm just sitting by playing other stuff and not trying to keep up with the news.

If there's one thing I hate about Bungie, it's the communication. Any other modern day dev will give you small vid updates, a roadmap, a community manager that engages and talks to the player base about the game.

But we get none of that.

They for some reason don't see how that's bad for business. But why should I care if they don't?

[tall pulsar]

well there was Destiny rising lol

[magic rose]

isnt that by the developer of Marvel Rivals?

[wet herald]

Isn't that some Chinese f2p mobile slop?

no thanks , you'd have to put a gun to my head to play a mobile game

It's giving off Diablo Immortal vibes , if anyone remembers that garbage

[elder valley]

What you don't have a cellphone? !)

[wet herald]

Do you guys not have phones?

[elder valley]

JK obviously

[sick sluice]

good

[crystal crystal]

It's heartbreaking for sure. I've been one of the biggest cheerleaders for Destiny, despite all the crazy shit going on. Even now, i will never stop playing, but like most of you, this is the first time that i have really felt like bungie has just lost its way and do not care anymore. I truly blame money grabbing, third parties for this nonsense. sigh Yeah, also screw the mobile game hahaha

[magic rose]

Im still questioning the fundamental decision to make an extraction shooter
bungie was primed to "go back to their roots" after years of churning out live service content
but now theyve dug themselves into a new rabbit hole, chasing an audience they didnt have before, with a project that's just not really getting the reception they expected
i just feel like bungie had better paths they could have taken

[wet herald]

Wow, can't say I'm surprised. It's a gacha game by NetEase. The same dudes who bring you a shit ton of other mobile garbage. Can't say I'm surprised that Sony would lend out the IP like that for a quick buck.

[tender gale]

What do you mean though... This isn't the first time Bungie has been caught stealing other people's work, also what third parties are there to blame?

[crystal crystal]

Sony

[elder valley]

i mean id like to try the game before clowning on it, but yeah its probably not sony calling the shots lol

[tender gale]

Sony didnt come into this until way later...

[magic rose]

bungie has most autonomy
but sony is expecting profits

[rigid quartz]

It was originally an extraction shooter closer to destiny than to hunt showdown or tarkov. Then they changed the game direction and core gameplay. Because what they had originally wasn't "fun enough."

[glacial lantern]

How much better would just AI Slop art have been!?

[elder valley]

additionally idbe pretty surprised if much of the desnity team was still around to make marathon.

[valid stone]

Sony is Bungie’s victim as far as I’m concerned. They overpaid massively for a company that likely was dishonest about what they were worth and the value of their IP and upcoming releases, and they’ve been mismanaging Marathon like crazy for years and years

[wet herald]

In a perfect world, this game has a banging campaign that stays true to its roots like DOOM 2016, and a extraction MP that's truly fleshed out, with crafting systems, ammo types, VOIP, customizable runners.

[gleaming bough]

[magic rose]

3.6 mil for destiny 2 is crazy
its not like bungie has much else to bargain with

[rigid quartz]

SONY was never the victim. chill out. they're one of the most greedy conglomerate out there.

[crystal crystal]

Activision

[tender gale]

Marathon was started and controlled almost exclusively by senior destiny folk.

[proud plinth]

Hola

[tall pulsar]

Yes

[elder valley]

extraction shooters are cool, and fun, they just apparently fail most of the time. probably due to the ol' corporate "we need MTX" model

[tender gale]

Bungie was separated from Activision for a long time when they introduced so many nickel and dime tactics to destiny 2

[valid stone]

Lol. I’m chill dawg, just spitting facts

[elder valley]

or they just cant figure out the invintory system lmao

[earnest belfry]

Did Bungie largely improve after leaving Activision? I’d argue it got worse

[wet herald]

Sure but what Bread is trying to say is that Bungie has been working on this before Sony has eyes on them, and they can't even deliver on what they were working on independently.

[proud plinth]

There's a YouTuber who said that Bungie needs Marathon to be a success or it might shut down.

[crystal crystal]

You dont get my point nvm lol

[ember crater]

I mean if you buy a car without ever lifting the hood to check the engine then it's kind've your fault if it breaks down on you down the road. Kinda on Sony to investigate the true value of Bumgle

[tall pulsar]

welp Im playing it looks fun

[valid stone]

Yeah a lot of us are old enough to remember when Activision was blamed for Bungies mismanagement

[tender gale]

I get your point, but you are pointing blame at everyone but the people you should blame. Why not just state that Bungie is doing shitty things? You don't need to defend them

[wet herald]

Bungie being incompetent and Sony being stupid can both be true. Lol

[rigid quartz]

nah that was a major cap.

[magic rose]

the fundamental misunderstanding i think is that being an "extraction shooter" is not enough
thats just a format, the appeal and "hook" needs to come from something more

[wet herald]

Have fun having to pay money to do anything meaningful in that game. Not for me

[elder valley]

look at the leadership, it likely boils down to the suits, surely the creatives wouldnt be on board with the whole "yeah just use AI to fill the gaps" theyve been chasing the halo high for like 25 years, and its a mircale the didnt fuckin drown during the halo 2 launch

[tall pulsar]

upper management is doing the shitty thing tbh

[elder valley]

does no one remeber that e3 gameplay trailer that looked like a wholly different game? fuck me im old

[tall pulsar]

Im not paying any money and never did lol

[tender gale]

It's not just the upper management. It's a lot of mid level management too

[magic rose]

the teaser trailer?

[wet herald]

I just don't play p2w games at all, any kind of environment like that, I'm just not a part of

[tall pulsar]

I just hope the add things they are putting in that to the main game hopefully or at least let us dual wield.

[rigid quartz]

Activision is a horrible game company. They can't maintain the integrity of their franchises, they always ruin their successful franchises.

[tall pulsar]

idk if its pay to win yet but most likely yes.

[vernal marlin]

facts

[wet herald]

Have fun regardless

[elder valley]

i am simply going to leave this sever and regret making a second bungie account to try the new game 🙂 maybe when it comes out, assuming i dont have to deal with some fuck ass launcher. but yeee glhf however yall may get down !

[valid stone]

Bungie just got caught in the biggest plagiarism scandal in a minute for games, I don’t think they’re much for maintaining integrity themselves

[magic rose]

it had very different vibes
bold, cold, bleak, striking, eerie
alpha looked like action figures jumping around a cluttered playground

[tender gale]

I do find it amusing that this latest thing is what has turned a lot of people sour against Bungie. Out of all the things they have done. This isn't even their first plagiarism scandal.

[elder valley]

yeah, the footage where they go thru the city

it was at least presented at gameplay

[valid stone]

I don’t disagree. It’s the straw that broke the camels back, but it’s a big straw

[tall pulsar]

its because all the youtubers are trying to Astroturf

[magic rose]

astroturf would mean bungie is in on this

[rigid quartz]

You guys talk about BUngie like this evil game corporation that doesn't care about the gamers.... While EA exists. Bungie is not that bad.

[tall pulsar]

could be with Pete at the helm

[magic rose]

EA is actually not doing too good right now

[elder valley]

not to fault them for that, i can not imagine the pressure they were under just... like i mean maybe im misremebering, but i thought i heard they fired the dude for the scope creep or mismangment then rehired him down the road lmao idk. the differences were stark, just saying, even with bungie prime, theyre not particularly know for delivering on their promieses.

[wet herald]

YouTubers and content creators deprived of any creativity will jump on this fiasco. Ffs you even have people who don't even play video games reporting on this

[tender gale]

They have literally had sexual assault cases filed against leadership, but plagiarism is what gets people haha

[tall pulsar]

Like Assmancopper? lol

[rigid quartz]

They are. their stock price is up

[valid stone]

Yeah, I mean, EA only just released Split Fiction which is one of the best games of the year and actually lets people play with their friends for free

[elder valley]

well im sure the devs give a shit and the artists are doin what they can, but at the end of the day bills need paid and who will keep the board memembers in the finery theyre accustomed to?!

[magic rose]

friend*
one friend

[wet herald]

Dude used to actually put out good content, now he's just an annoying grifter

[valid stone]

Funny, I’m on my third friend with it!

[tall pulsar]

he drank that koolaid too much and became advocate for genocide. smh

[magic rose]

whoa you go through friends quick

[rigid quartz]

People pick and choose what they want to be outraged about. I thought that was very bad. But it's easier to address plagiarism nowadays, so this is the hate-train everybody is on.

[magic rose]

fun game though the story is trash

[elder valley]

yeah im not super sure about all that...

the rat clock fellow, the games were probably fun

[valid stone]

When was the last time Bungie didn’t have to reboot a game internally they were developing?

They are like the mismanagement kings

[elder valley]

oh! marathon! it all comes full circle

[tall pulsar]

Halo reach?

[chrome sierra]

my hands are shaking, I just want to get into the game, turn on the music and just enjoy the final development of the consumer society.
Maybe someone knows if there is an option to get to the alpha or something?

[earnest belfry]

There is nothing to play rn

[wet herald]

If it ain't plagiarism, it's bad leadership, if it ain't bad leadership, it's some out of touch director that's trend chasing.

You cant win, and the Bungie devs can't make a good game under these conditions.

If this game flops and more of em get let go, I'm sure they'll go on to do great things.

Look at the Ubi devs that left and made what is possibly GOTY. Ex33. Ubisoft, one of the most creatively bankrupt studios of all time has devs that are capable of making a GOTY.

[tender gale]

Not to defend Bungie, but this is common at most studios. It's not necessarily mismanagement to reboot a developing game or kill them early. It's common and standard

[rigid quartz]

what's the name of the game?

[wet herald]

Expedition 33, I'm not a RPG guy but it's very impressive and people love it

[chrome sierra]

raw build?

[valid stone]

It’s symptomatic of really bad development mismanagement. It’s not something that should be normal but it has been normalized by people who think better things aren’t possible

[earnest belfry]

🤨

[wet herald]

Alpha is over. And with the way things are looking, we won't get Beta news for a while.

If things went fine, we would be looking at advertising and preorders as early as a few weeks. That's not happening anymore

[rigid quartz]

Microsoft x Bungie was one of the best video game partnership of all times.

[tender gale]

That's not true at all... Most of the time it's because lots of ideas sound good on paper, but after some development, playtests, research, and scoping out a company realizes either the game isn't fun, isn't feasible with their tech, isn't feasible with their talent, or isn't reasonable within a certain timeline. A lot of those factors can't be figured out though until they start developing something and find out where the pain points are.

[gleaming bough]

💤

[wet herald]

Sure, but that relationship soured over time. It happens

[fluid violet]

not necessarily it is often a good thing to rework any creative project you are making multiple times..... that is just the process of creative work. its just often times you never hear how a studio scrapped and re-worked a game 5+ times. most studios you never even know about it. its just how bungies handles it is from a negligent corporate mindset.

[chrome sierra]

Well, it's classic IT to hire a QA under an NDA or something to test pieces of code.

[chrome sierra]

super sad, overall it would be great to get involved in the polishing process

[earnest belfry]

go apply at Bungie or something then I guess? The alpha is closed

[wet herald]

QA? Buddy , we are the QA

[pearl mica]

🫃

[tender gale]

Also, nitpicky, but it has nothing to do with QA...

[valid stone]

I think people have become convinced that this is a good normal thing that just happens because games are creative, but I think you’ll find that a lot of the best games from the best studios do not really suffer from that level of mismanagement: they plan very carefully and approach things with experience and caution

[tall pulsar]

We are the QA!!!! 😅

[wet herald]

real

[late rivet]

I interviewed once for Bungie QA and for the interview they had 3 people, and as I went to shake each of their hands, the last guy didn't have a right arm. I think they thought it was funny or broke the ice?

[pearl mica]

Give Rich the MPreg

[wet herald]

My silver lining, at least the new Battlefield looks good 👍 lmao

[fluid violet]

i chose my words carefully i said creative work. this is normal. for a writer, painter, designer, landscape artist, anyone in creative field. to create anything you have to try and then destory over and over until you like what you see

[rigid quartz]

what's the name?

[tender gale]

Killing a project early or reworking it is frequently a really good management decision.

Just because you didn't hear about the projects that they tried and failed with before their successful one, doesn't mean they didn't do it.

[valid stone]

Killing projects early is one thing: working for 3 years and then rebooting is another

[wet herald]

It's just Battlefield. You can find a ton of Alpha leaks on Twitter https://x.com/BattlehubYT/status/1916495160562639000?t=Ttoi7fw4aTQwgIuLUiVSPg&s=19

[tender gale]

Except it isn't fully because there are a lot of factors that can change especially in 3 years of game development.

New competition, new genres, new engines, new tech,

[valid stone]

This industry is dying and mismanagement is a big part of why; the money being spent is unsustainable, and working for 3 years on games you cannot sell turns something that might have made money into something that fails even if does. Consider dragon age Veilguard which sold like 3 million copies but ultimately lost them money

[tender gale]

Plenty of place kill a project because they've been going awhile and then something new happens and the market shifts and suddenly the thing they passionately worked on basically has no market.

[valid stone]

Yeah, and when this happens companies lose a shit ton of money. This isn’t really arguable

[fluid violet]

believe me bread i will be one of the first to doom on bungie all day. they have lost all faith from me. everything i said is no form a place of faith. this is just how making "art" is. bungie is in the position they are in because they were trying to appease management and shareholders. that doesnt mean starting over isnt the norm in this kind of work

[tender gale]

You are proving the counterpoint here though. Veilguard for reworked multiple times, had a lot of money sunk into it, and they still didnt make that money back

[valid stone]

They couldn’t make that money back because they mismanaged through rebooting the game

I’m proving the point that I am making

[tender gale]

They rebooted the game because the game they were originally making was a game that bioware just failed to make. Twice

Dragon age was originally going to be more like anthem

[fluid violet]

they lost money because they put their eggs in too many baskets. sure cost of development increased due to a lenghty design phase. but that is not the primary cause. the primary cause is out of touch business men and trying to have their hands in too many pies

[wet herald]

I think we are on the 3rd version of Marathon truthfully.

[tender gale]

And look at how successful that was

[wheat pond]

marathon is on it's concord arc

[silver wadi]

concord wasent this talked about until it died

[wet herald]

Shameless OW clone imo

[valid stone]

You guys need to realize that this just isn’t normal development behavior. It is one thing to reboot a project a year in or something, but rebooting 3 or 4 years in, or multiple times, is very much a disaster of mismanagement or a terrible idea of a game that is unworkable

[wet herald]

Ye, not very far off from just straight up calling it development hell

[fluid violet]

this is about average you just never hear about it. sure SOME developers only scrap plans a couple of times. but that is not the norm

[valid stone]

It’s average now because most companies are messing up

[rigid quartz]

AAA companies spend too much money to make games nowadays. They spent billions on GTA 6 development. That's not sustainable for an industry where someone can just make 3GB game that becomes the most downloaded content on all platforms.

[wheat pond]

they should just fire Joe Zigger and let me direct the game, you guys would all love it

[worn magnet]

sir yes sir

[wet herald]

Hot Take, Joe Z isn't the guy for this game

[fluid violet]

no destory all humans 1 was originally scrapped over 4 times and they almost canned the whole project. Psychonauts 1 was in the similar position these companies were "AA" and were nearly 20 years ago

[real zodiac]

Nubbys number factory is like 500mb and made infinitely more money than concord, it's something to think about

[tender gale]

It is normal. It's incredibly normal. Have you heard of sunk cost fallacy? The thing people don't talk about though is how hard it is to see it until someone has been developed further. That's not mismanagement, thats just a factor of larger games that have to be built in pieces and sometimes you can't see the whole problem until all those pieces are brought togethed

[valid stone]

When you do the math, games that take 3 or 4 years to make can be financially viable with large dev teams in high cost development areas, but when you go to like 6 or 7 years, it puts people into the red

[fluid violet]

this has always been going on. hell the OG prince of persia had multiple reworks and that was a fucking arcade game

[rigid quartz]

What have you done before?

[worn magnet]

joe z needs to leave bungie if the reports on how management treats its devs are true

[tender gale]

It's not just reports. Go to glass door. It's a common trend and why most people leave the company. Bungie has a high turnover.

[real zodiac]

Game development is so stressful it's absurd 😭

[clever helm]

indie games are monitized a lot less aggresively than AAA games, thats not a fair comparison whatosever

[real zodiac]

I feel so bad for the marathon devs RN they're probably really going through it

[wet herald]

Might not even be him abusing other devs, just other management. Regardless, a fuckin Valorant director shouldn't be directing this game, we shouldnt have heroes in this game.

[real zodiac]

You need to monetize that aggressively when you're spending 9 figures on a game

[clever helm]

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Bungie-Reviews-E284423.htm 3.3 on glassdoor is insane

[silver wadi]

i hope it has a monetization like helldivers tbh

[real zodiac]

Wait this game has heros

[wet herald]

Bruh lmao

[real zodiac]

Nvm 😭 😭 😭

[clever helm]

even if you want to push a more aggresive monitization, its all about how you roll it out... if you immediatley open up with very aggresive examples of that, youll alienate the playerbase that mightve spent a lot more down the road if they werent pushed away by immediate microtransactions n such

[rigid quartz]

That might actually motivate them to spin something around after the game is released. No man sky got better with time too. The game loop was a dumpster fire at first.

[clever helm]

no idea how marathon will be but if it it goes anything like infinite did itll be dead within a year

[real zodiac]

I played fallout 76 on launch 😭

[clever helm]

in terms of monetizaiton

[wet herald]

They didnt listen. When this game gave us the first 2023 trailer under Barretts management, it was customizable runners, no heroes. Things went quiet for a while, Barrett was out, Joe Z was in with a shift towards playable heroes.

I can't think of a bigger mistake for a extraction shooter

[clever helm]

dear god

[tender gale]

The difference is hello games leadership isn't toxic

[tall pulsar]

I feel your pain lol

[wet herald]

Ew

[real zodiac]

it was atrocious I had all my progress wiped 3 times in as many hours

[rigid quartz]

touche

[fluid violet]

i still hop in about once every two-three months and play for bit. the best thing about buying it was bethesda giving out arena, hammerfell, fo1, fo2, and tactics to people who bought it lol

[real zodiac]

I had the most fun with the multiplayer aspect but stopped playing pretty fast it just wasn't for me

[wet herald]

Can't play Bethesda games with their little ancient engine, just can't do it.

Love their worlds and lore, but man, their games suck to play. More for everyone else though

[tall pulsar]

oh nice and I Deserve those too cough it up Bethesda

[ionic hedge]

Fos

[surreal sable]

Show me the aliens

[clever helm]

what about the engine makes you unable to play it exactly?

[real zodiac]

I was really hoping that Marathon would be fun at first I was pessimistic because I play destiny but then after learning a bit more about the game I thought I might like it, and then I discovered its a hero shooter 😭

[wet herald]

ID software on the other hand, truly goated studio

[fluid violet]

for me i have always wanted to play rust or ark. but i just dont like how you have to play those games every single day or you will lose all progress and actively be working backwards. i enjoy 76 cause i get that ark or rust feeling without being forced to play it daily lol

[clever helm]

once i download about 40 mods on fallout new vegas it actually kinda works for me

60 percent of the time, it works every time

[tall pulsar]

I think that was the point.

[rigid quartz]

I tried starfield... I gave up after 2 days. They focus more on lore than anything. Their game mechanics are always off

[real zodiac]

yeah thats a really good part about it, theres like no FOMO for me so I can always come back and have a blast with friends later

[clever helm]

you ever heard of escape from tarkov?

[fluid violet]

funny

[wet herald]

Besides feeling like it's literally a game made in 2009, the combat and performance in their games suck.

I tried to play F4 and Skyrim a million times, just can't do it.

[real zodiac]

I'm so bad at tarkov its hilarious

[wet herald]

The reliance that Bethesda has on their community to fix their own game is just sad too, I don't want to download mods, I just wanna play the fucking game.

[clever helm]

what kinda games you prefer? i weirdly enjoy that bethesda jank in oblivion (not remaster) and fallout nv and 3, but ive also grown very used to it

[sterile kayak]

is alpha still accesible?

[ionic hedge]

Yes

[clever helm]

oh the fact i need to spend over 30 mins modding fallout 3 or nv before i get it stable is pathethic

[rigid quartz]

no it's not. it ends a while ago

[wheat pond]

a AAA studio will never make a game that is good enough to compete with tarkov. Maybe not even a good extraction shooter in general

[real zodiac]

oblivion is my favorite elder scrolls game but I dont think its the best

[wet herald]

I have a billion hours on tarkov , that rodeo for me has ended. 7 8 9 wipes, I'm done

[clever helm]

tarkov is only alive because of its cult like following

[rigid quartz]

chill out. they will throw money at it until they succeed.

[real zodiac]

tarkov feels like it was made in 2014

its fun but in a jank way

[tender gale]

Also they seem to ignore that hunt showdown exists which is made by a AAA studio and has plenty of success with it

[wild cave]

do game discords for unreleased games usually have this much discussion about whether it's dying or not

[clever helm]

not if the game has a bright future

[wheat pond]

an exception that proves the rule

[clever helm]

which..... this one doesnt so far

are we allowed to mention the..... borrowed art here or is that an instant ban

[rigid quartz]

Low key hunt doesn't really feel like an extraction shooter.... I know it is one but.... is it though?

[tender gale]

It literally does the two things in the nomenclature.

[clever helm]

sadly hunt has gone down the shitter lately as well

[wet herald]

It is, in it's own way. Can't be compared to Tarkov tho. Neither can this game

[wheat pond]

Don't get me wrong - tarkov is bad, but it's got heart. People are obsessed with it and for a reason

[fluid violet]

wouldnt know never join any unreleased game discos. i guess there is a nightreign/DB page on the Fextra disco but i actively avoid that disco unless i need player trading or something

[wild cave]

what happened to hunt

[real zodiac]

would it be inaccurate to call helldivers 2 a PvE extraction shooter

you do extract technically