I suggest delaying the release for a couple of years and making a good game.

[dusky sigil]

don't bother explaining to him he doesn't bother to conduct his own research

[lyric wharf]

Well no, they had to open a bunch because they were unprepared. Server testing was one of the four things mentioned as goals of the CBT. But some people here just gloss over that when gameplay is critiqued.

[obsidian folio]

yeah but they also mentioned that the actual game itself is what you see in the trailers, which looks better optimized than what we played

[lyric wharf]

I undertand that bro, but I will critique the actual game or newer version when I play it. I played the CBT so I can only critique the CBT.

How could I posdibly give feedback on something no one has touched and if they did is under NDA?

[obsidian folio]

oh yeah that makes sense, I thought you were just hating in general without knowing what they said about the CBT, my fault for assuming

[lyric wharf]

I am hating on it because thats what I played. But its not like I dont have high hopes that they may fix it.

I would just say that I cant verify that the newer version fixes these issues when I havent played it. All we can do is give feedback on what we had, make sure that glaring issues are at the forefront of feedback and then do it again as more test are released.

If we dont give feedback because "they already said this was an old version" then they night miss something or overlook an important issue.

[obsidian folio]

hopefully the next test is the up to date version, can't imagine them giving us the older version twice in a row, would really hurt the image imo

because that would be us not being able to test what they've actually done to fix the game before they plan to release it in q4

[lyric wharf]

Exactly. Thats the reason someone made this post. Based on what we played, that was open to be streamed and shared, the game needs some serious love before launching in 6 months.

[obsidian folio]

yeah fair, I don't really get the idea of releasing an older version before fixes because it's the first thing people see and will form ideas based on that initial impression

[lyric wharf]

Where there's smoke, there is fire.

[obsidian folio]

put out a bad version and blow everyone away with the good

[lyric wharf]

Maybe. I guess we shall see what the next test holds.

[humble sleet]

you are correct validate gameplay is mentioned as a goal. And also correct above they did state they were looking for feedback.

[wooden anvil]

They pretty much snaked us with the so called "core gameplay validation." I think the streamers and content creators that participated in the past few tests already provided enough feedback on that matter, which, from what I have seen, aligns with what most of us reported in this Discord and in their feedback form. This was primarily a stress test.

[humble sleet]

If y’all say so

it did stress a lot of people thats for sure 🤣

[lyric wharf]

Imagine that, when the devs say that this is an old build, these guys will call it the gospel. When the devs say they are looking to validate core gameplay they think it's not needed.

[humble sleet]

I just think it’s not 100% clear and these gaps are being used by one side or the other to put a label on the game either negative or positive. We will see what happens. But yeah it’s senseless to argue with one side or the other.

[bleak zodiac]

I don't remember that I can do a cool spinning dodge in new world though...

Can you dm me the picture or link to the assets? Just needed some proof to solidify my opinion

[rocky hatch]

Best part is halt of the people hating on it prolly never touched the game in the first place, saw that on so many games,

[humble sleet]

I mean a lot of people aren’t hating just to hate we didn’t like some or many things and we want to see them changed. Yes, those who just say bad game gg and don’t provide a reason as to why I agree. But we shouldn’t label negative criticism as “hate” right away. Most people who “hate” are so emotional about the game having flaws because they really wanted it to succeed deep down. If they didnt really give a damn or had given up on the game they wouldn’t be so involved 🙂

[drowsy solar]

UR TRIPPING FOR NO REASON. ITS A BETA TEST. GAME WILL BE MUCH BETTER ON LAUNCH. calm ur bunb down and stop being entitled. WE HAVE A REAL WINNER ON OUR HANDS BOYS. LOCK INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[eternal wolf]

this would be so agreeable if the people providing the feedback didnt parrot what everyone else has already said long before we even got the beta lol. they have provided nothing new to the table. Just repeating what some youtuber said with zero added nuance. it just seems like hate when its repetitive and when theyre met with the fact that this is one of multiple betas and its an outdated build at that (so we are set to see how far along the new build is its essentially guaranteed that we will see an updated version unless the devs lie) they just turn around and meet that opinion with "the game needs atleast 2 more years because im a game developer myself and Id definitely know"

when you constantly only provide negative feedback and its something that we already know since before the beta even came to the public then what good is that feedback? it only serves to harm the game imo bc sheep who dont do research takes it as truth

[mystic musk]

There's a big difference between negative feedback and "Don't play this game, it's a nuclear dumpster fire of postpartum waste."

Just go watch negative (and there are quite a few of them) youtube vids. People are recording oral rage diarrhea over this game.

Never seen hype turn to clickbait so quick.

[dusky sigil]

Yep

[humble sleet]

My second sentence literally says the same you explained here. As I said non constructive feedback can be ignored.

[mystic musk]

Well that's what everyone's raging about. The non-constructiveness of it all is peak with CO 🤣

I'm sure it will die down soon...but...wow

[humble sleet]

Theres a lot of constructive negative reviews out here. I have seen a lot of people label as hate or doomer posting some opinions about the game which are just simply negative.

[humble sleet]

I think its fair for people (if they share similar negative experiences about the CBT) to voice it even if repetitive. Theres parroting from both sides.

[mystic musk]

That happens too, won't deny it....but it's far greater in the other direction.

[vivid juniper]

Influencers are the first to change their tune. It's up to the studio to do its best to ensure that the second beta is better than the first, and they'll start praising the game's merits like crazy again.

[mystic musk]

I also think youtube personalities like to jump on bandwagons. If people start hating on something, they start making videos about how they hate the same things too.

[dusky sigil]

Yes ofc they get paid by how many people watch / view them

[mystic musk]

Well yeah that's part of it for sure. I also think there's strong groupthink with these sorts of opinions.

[eternal wolf]

only one side actively harms the game and serves no purpose outside of that and ragebaiting. It stops becoming good feedback when the dev says "we see what you guys are saying thanks for the critiques even though we heard it all already and said in the beta that you should expect these issues so we will reiterate that we are ALREADY working on every issue you just said"

Now the uncommon critiques are extremely valid but the whole optimization/graphics/animations/clunkiness etc etc has already been acknowledged way before we even got the beta

They already said they are working on it and made improvements that we will see in the next beta so tell me what good does the complaining about it do for the sake of the game?

I can tell you how it hurts the game but how does it help?

Keep in mind the cbt is not a demo, it wasnt for us to just try out for the sake of it. everyone who signed up were testers for a reason it wasnt just for fun

[humble sleet]

I think people instead of upvoting already stated issues they just repeat them just changing a few words and I can see how that can be annoying. On the other hand, I have seen too many people replying to genuine opinions spamming “Its just a CBT” “6 month old version” “Just wait for CBT 2” like yeah I get it but people also have a right to voice their opinion even if its a CBT. We should be hating on those who ragebait or give negative reviews without substance that I agree with. Just saying both sides are a bit ridiculous to see.

[humble sleet]

CBT was for testing, but testers aren’t QA employees. They’re community volunteers who give their time. If the experience is frustrating, they're allowed to vent or criticize openly. The reason people are so emotional towards specific issues, even if discussed previously, is because they have not seen what the current version of the game looks like. Is it fair to say just wait and see? yeah sure, but people should be allowed to vent if they want to. By the way the studio can also gather feedback from that. Maybe the fact so many people are pointing at such issues even if already acknowledged by the devs its because this feedback from devs is not reaching the audience properly. Could be food for thought on how to improve communication with the playerbase.

By the way from my understanding of them mentioning this CBT is mainly to stress test and check “gameplay validity”. Gameplay meaning how it overall feels to play the game. So I think most of the frustration is still on topic on how they feel playing the game

[forest oak]

cba reading through all these paragraphs but it's still important to bring up feedback that they already acknowledged. Just yesterday the CEO brought up that they overlooked the importance of low system requirements and it was their mistake. That alone could've been a result of people keep repeating the same feedback over and over.

[eternal wolf]

I have zero faith in people when history proves its just ragebait and hating in these exact circumstances

You tell me how they couldve communicated better. They said on social media that these issues were acknowledged before the beta came out. They said the same thing in discord and im like 95% positive they said it when loading the actual beta up when you first start. What else should they have said? lmao. They shouldnt have given these ppl the benefit of the doubt when it comes to reading. they gave them far too much credit.

These mfs are harping on things already said on a free beta for something theyve been asking for.

[humble sleet]

even skipping all the reading I think this is spot on. Amongst the sea of s—it there is still valuable feedback to gather.

[eternal wolf]

im all for valid feedback good or bad

but to pretend that theres zero harm or potential harm with how this beta has been received is just pure dishonesty and does more harm than good even if repetitive feedback is what caused them to say they need to factor in potato pcs (which they do need to release potato mode)

[humble sleet]

Well I, for example, did not see the comments about the nature of the CBT until after trying it out for a few hours. If the disclaimer was in game I did not see it at all. Most people saw a gameplay trailer from IGN that looked amazing and then jumped into the CBT and saw how both of these things didn’t match. I can understand the confusion, especially after the fact most CBT nowadays are soft launches essentially so people have a different idea on how it should work. The majority of players are dumb, like me, and games and communication should be made for dumb people. To avoid such issues

[humble sleet]

I have a question. Why was this CBT received so badly in your opinion overall? Why do some CBT get bad feedback and some good? Why do some studios wait until they have a better version of the game to do a CBT and some don’t? and how is that usually making the difference when it comes to player feedback? Can you blame some of the haters for feeling like this CBT is rushed?

[eternal wolf]

i mean i dont think youre dumb but it was definitely communicated in a way you shouldnt have had to look it up

"you should expect these issues" is pretty straightforward imo

Not CO's fault people came in with high expectations in a CBT because they play games made by shady companies doing the soft release bs

CBT's historically until recently has always been 100% incomplete games and the only reason they go out is to test certain features they are not like demos which are essentially spoilers for how the game will actually be

[eternal wolf]

yes i can blame them because we have more cbts coming and its been said a million times atp that it was an outdated version so "rushed" doesnt matter when this version itself was never going to be ready. If you consider this version so rushed then the next version should be a vast improvement according to the devs as far ast he rest of what you said im not a dev and im not gonna pretend to be theres some things ik about development but what you are asking is above me so i cannot give a valid opinion on it. What i will say is most judgement of any kind is always extreme and the truth is always somewhere in the middle but people who arent informed always focuses on the extreme and that typically includes the masses who determines if a product sells well or not so thats why things can fail

[simple trench]

It was definitely a stress test of an older build to clarify ceo has posted on x his comments about everything. That being said yes there are many issues the build has that definitely needs a year plus to hash over i agree the game has potential but a face value it lacks depth in many aspects.

[vivid juniper]

Even if what you say about betas is true, if over the past 20 years betas have become almost finished games, then if you release a beta in the same state as CO's, you run the risk of getting a volley of criticism from testers.
It's been almost 20 years since betas changed, so testers have forgotten what they used to be like, so you have to adapt. And new players don't even know what the quality of a beta used to be. It's up to the studios to adapt to the masses of players. 🤷‍♂️
I'm one of those who experienced the truly buggy beta versions, but I really don't think that's still the case for the vast majority of players. Studios need to adapt.
t's sad, but that's the way it is. You can't educate a mass of testers with a wave of a magic wand.

[eternal wolf]

atp most people are informed of the context and situation with this beta, any further complaints on the typical things thats been addressed will just come off as hating atp

[eternal wolf]

it has not been almost 20 years since betas have changed, alot of companies still use betas the way they were originally used all across gaming, now i cant speak directly to mmos but theres other genres out there and even if the trend recently hasbecome mmos using betas as soft releases, CO shouldnt be forced to follow suit when thats bad business practice

[humble sleet]

Is it the devs fault people have changed their definition of a beta for a demo or soft launch? Not at all, but at the same time part of selling a product is knowing your audience. I, for example, would have even dared to label it as an alpha test even if completely wrong just to avoid this panic from people who dont understand what a real CBT will look like hehe. Its not like this wasn’t expected, you have so many lambs that have been sacrificed in the gaming industry due to this exact same scenario.

[eternal wolf]

thats a completely respectable opinion, like i said earlier CO 100% overestimated peoples ability to read or to care about context. Thats on them but I will not blame them for doing normal things. I think gamers need to improve just like companies do and we share alot of responsibility when it comes to a games reputation

Ive never been a fan of "the customer and consumer is always right"

they shouldnt label things or adapt to dumb ppl, ppl should strive to be more informed and patient and ill die on that hill

Now that i think about it most ppl hating are informed they just dont gaf lmfao

[humble sleet]

Many have thought like you and ended up giving up agreeing to the fact shampoo bottles need to have detailed instructions in the back alongside a sign that says Do not consume. They will not change people so its a lesson for the future to communicate in other ways. Better for this to happen during a CBT than a month after the game is released

[eternal wolf]

i believe in natural selection

i have no problem with people being left behind when they put forward 0 effort

if you drink shampoo w.e happens to you you deserve it

[humble sleet]

That’s fair but let us not be surprised if games die while keeping that mentality. Sadly those that will be “selected” are the bigger percent of people who will bring in the money for games to survive

[eternal wolf]

i hear you and i agree. thats why i said with the CO situation most ppl are informed and they are still hating bc that means they dont just fall into the "selected" they are consciously pooping on the game despite having the info and they are fine with that

Cant help it with the casual ppl who dont care for details but the ppl who are negatively influencing those casuals who make up the large proportion of the potential playerbase is why i say they are doing way more harm than good for the game esp if companies should target the masses like you say (which they should obv)

[humble sleet]

Please don’t say “I hear you” or you will give me ptsd from dev apology videos. “We hear you” should be banned 🤣

[bleak zodiac]

"We hear you but we won't do anything about it"

[eternal wolf]

the BDO special

[tidal cargo]

I have been playing korean mmos my whole life, and never had a MMORPG gave me rage when playing it, specially at first. And this game did it, the beta got my Alt+F4 in the middle of it... it was a stress test on me thats for sure. But that being said, i would do the second test again.

[terse zephyr]

That’s how I felt about Throne of Liberty, never touched that game again. At least Chrono has better combat. Hoping they can fix a lot of the jank

[dry storm]

feel like instead of casting judgment on a very early beta people should just wait till the other betas come out and see how much the game improves, yes this beta was rough all round i feel like most people had a good time playing it and even the people bashing the game will probably come back for the next betas. none of us know how much the dev team will improve the game untill we get access to the next beta. For those asking why we’re testing an old beta version, here are a few reasons why devs might choose to do this: Older builds are more stable and predictable, which makes them better for testing server load and backend systems without unexpected issues getting in the way. The newest version might still have bugs or unfinished features that could crash the game or cause problems that aren’t related to the servers. New builds often introduce new bugs, and those bugs could mess up the stress test results or take the focus away from what the devs are really trying to test backend performance and server stability. By using a build they already know well, the devs can better isolate backend issues without getting interference from front end problems.

[solid wolf]

Fully agreed

[limpid brook]

100% agree

[eternal wolf]

https://youtu.be/-qo6K8Fboys?si=b1H1HbqVqm8N64LU

Absolutely elite comment section days after all of the info surrounding the CBT btw

[spice forge]

Here's what I would suggest..

CBT1 - Completed. Feedback given.
CBT2 - Current build. First, implement top priority improvements from CBT1 feedback and ensure stability for testing.
CBT3 - Implement top priority changes from CBT2 & other features from CBT1's feedback.

Repeat until confident in release.
Always be bug fixing. Should apply to all builds.

I would also suggest a focus group test under NDA for end game loop feedback right meow if not already started.

[bleak zodiac]

Someone already mentioned this before but they should adapt to singular server system/single shard/megaserver/dynamic instancing/dynamic meshing.

[viral gale]

They should set up the second CBT sometime around next month so they can get some actual feedback of the “current” version of the game instead of just wasting time figuring things out on their own

[solid wolf]

Amount of conversation about chrono shows one think this game have massive potential

[velvet zinc]

suggesting NDA...

[viral gale]

To me I thought this game have no critical issue in the bone (foundation) aspects, however this game left all its polishing undone which gives the players a disappointing first impression, I think the devs need to open a second CBT asap to reveal the real progress of were they are at so both the developers and the gamers can fix issues before game releases

[solid wolf]

I agree

[clear elk]

Bruhhh, no hate but what's the point of a CBT then?

Yes it's true on top of feedback you have complaints but this is part of the excitement of the community. It's throwing judgement it's called support* . It's all done with empathy.

[dry storm]

I get that people are passionate and want the game to succeed, and yes complaints are part of testing. But calling the game 'trash' without giving any useful feedback isn’t support, it's just noise. There's a huge difference between constructive criticism and just joining the hate train because it's popular. Same goes for blindly defending everything without acknowledging issues that doesn't help either. If we actually want the game to improve, we need thoughtful feedback, not just negativity for the sake of it.

[solid wolf]

I really need to test paladin, 🥸

[dry storm]

same i want to play paladin so badly

[clear elk]

What I meant was that I understand what you said because yeah some people are complaining, but they complaint mainly comes after a feedback which is part of the purpose of the test.

And I agree also with you, it doesn't help to just complain or give just negative feedbacks.

[bleak zodiac]

This is a suggestion thread

[celest mirage]

I love this game and when it drops imma be grinding it non stop lol for the ppl that don’t like it play another mmo js They’ll fix the issues that need fixed

[craggy shell]

yeah fix this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1386763746906472639/1387261548262592616/trailers-reality-chron-odyssey.png?ex=685cb37f&is=685b61ff&hm=8afef7209c94df6ced76aa932f62d61edb751b4093619d12e4f759c49019e677&

[tawny cradle]

are they testing in wooden pc ?

[solid wolf]

I'm sorry but u are wrong game looks outstanding on good pc

[brittle spruce]

litterally fact my 3070 even res turned down on epic to 50% looks incredibel a bit grainy but had to be done to make it playable this test. if it looks like that picture spend money and upgrade your rig on god

[craggy shell]

maybe if u are blind

[brittle spruce]

upgrade yuour computer it looks nothing like the bottom picture

[craggy shell]

wear some glasses

[brittle spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/heat-computer-cooking-with-style-wtf-computer-chip-gif-17012327

[stray talon]

300$ steak right there.

[rotund fog]

I wouldnt say outstanding, I ran it on a 5080 + 9900X3D and id say it looked 'good', certainly not outstanding by any means. Outstanding is Cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing on. I played with a mix of epic and cinematic settings, the visual bugs, random pop in and lighting were atrocious at times.

[craggy shell]

cyberpunk is super ugly bro

[rotund fog]

I somewhat agree with both sides here. Personally I enjoyed my time, even with the issues I think the game has a solid base.
Comparing to something like Ashes of Creation (as an alpha) i'd say this is much closer to an Alpha build than anything.
What requires improvement here could be done in about a years time, maybe less depending on the team size, dedication and experience.

**1. Fixing the player character environmental grounding:**Adjust the foot locking and inertia systems - this will help the weird floating and unrealistic movement people have been complaining about, using more grounded inverse kinematics for the foot placement on uneven terrain and blend in minor inertia based movement decay when stopping/starting to avoid sliding, something done well in the recent Dune game which also has added micro environmental interactions like dust puffs, scuff marks, varied step sounds on different environments and indentations like foot marks that were blown away with the wind. It helps the character feel more 'in the world' and not be skating around.

**2. Combat Feedback & Weight:**This already has a nice feeling to it but some additional animation blending with hit pauses and readjusting the camera shake would make a huge difference here (think dragons dogma) the sound could also use a little work, some of the impact sfx were pretty distorted which can make the feeling of the hits feel weak and boring. Adding more muffled bass thumps, directional clangs, and heavier trail effects on big swings help with the weightiness so itll feel closer to a more polished game like ER/dark souls etc.

**3. Environment Response:**World physics reactivity, like grass parting and water ripples, correct cloth sway also could do a rework. They're working in UE5 where this is all achievable but the current perspectives and poorly optimized LOD distances have made some of the cloths from even short distances look like cardboard.
Adding these subtle interacts will again, help the character feel grounded and not break the immersion so much. Even adding dynamic decals like scorch marks and blood splatter, all very doable with the right optimization.

**4. LOD & Lighting Issues:**One of the most complained about points - fix LOD pop in with distance based fading. Replace the hard swaps with dithered LOD transitions so a cape doesnt go from realistic movement to a complete stiff board with a simple camera scroll or mining animation or a tree/shrub disappears completely or looks like its changing colours, its still graphically cheap and reduces that weird pop in and strange animations from some physics.
The aggressive bloom needs an option and adjustment overall. The tone mapping curves were so intense it felt like HDR was on by default for people who didnt have a HDR monitor. Avoid the excessive white point spike and contrast, especially for the clouds and implement some temporal stability for the lighting like TAA with a more stable exposure level itll avoid those rapid brightness shifts that caused players to feel like theyre at a skrillex concert.

In saying all that, its pretty achievable within a year or less with the right team. I think if this gets adjusted they can make more over time after release. As long as the gameplay loop stays enjoyable and the endgame isnt complete ass.

[austere sun]

I think a lot of people are disappointed so hopefully devs and team are working hard to regain trust.

People are no longer say it’s the prophesied chosen one game but it’s also not trash. So I agree hoping it’s not BDO 1.

Is it that hard to make a good mmo?

I feel like the community is not even asking for new innovations but rather really strong basic / foundational stuff in a modern era.

Yea why did they do this when it was supposed to be a server stress test

[lyric wharf]

lol imagine using this as proof and having 30/40 fps

[humble sleet]

and not even while fighting enemies just standing there menacingly

[dry storm]

you can see the fps at the top of the screen 30-49 fps not well tho awful screen shots

[lone light]

what are these FPS lil bro ?

[lyric wharf]

yeah that's why is said 30/40

[humble sleet]

its an approximation its not like those 9 fps more change anything in this case 🤣

[drowsy solar]

UR TRIPPING FOR NO REASON. ITS A BETA TEST. GAME WILL BE MUCH BETTER ON LAUNCH. calm ur bunb down and stop being entitled. WE HAVE A REAL WINNER ON OUR HANDS BOYS. LOCK INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

ur right dw bro. i just have faith in the studio. if im wrong im wrong. i made my bed, ill sleep in it

[eternal wolf]

youre responding to the wrong person my guy I think the game is fine I just think the people overhating is doing more harm than good lol

[drowsy solar]

sorry bro, ive been spamming that message to keep moral up 💀 💀 💀

i dont think its working

[eternal wolf]

Can't work for ppl who want the game to fail but the ppl genuinely wanting it to succeed hears ya

[rotund fog]

It's working bro I'm hyped up rn

[quasi lily]

Just delay the game forever if you're going to ruin one of the best parts of your game before it comes out

[drowsy solar]

i wanna play mmo bro

[paper vine]

yo @desert parcel this might sound crazy, but if u don't like the game, don't play it ? o_O

[austere sun]