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alpine oak
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Hmmm

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Interesting name

mortal slate
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dont have to join to see it btw

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fk

alpine oak
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When i left i coudnt see it

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Or at least, not in the channel area

mortal slate
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you join when you post sth in here

alpine oak
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U got outsmarted by discord

mortal slate
alpine oak
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Hh

alpine oak
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spookyvival channel

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secretvival channel

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secretvival channel

dusky relic
alpine oak
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Shh

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No bm players alowed. This channel is secret

dusky relic
alpine oak
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Bombs agro is scuffed. Only the main target and cluster will do agro, bomb hit and dots of aditional mobs wont agro

dusky relic
alpine oak
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Its important if someone is telling u to redirect for agro and u are already bombing

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U wont help much outside of helping to group mobs with ss

alpine oak
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Bombs dont explode in AoE if the target dies while bomb is mid air. Cluster bombs will still explode

alpine oak
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Green bomb SS refresh always have the same duration as the original SS. If that ss was not a fresh 12s duration ss, the new duration will be 12s regardless of when u use the bomb

timid ether
languid geyser
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hi

alpine oak
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Hi-Fi trap, the pvp talent, doesnt work with nessingwary trapping aparatus

plain elm
alpine oak
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more than 1 month old msg

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oof

plain elm
alpine oak
alpine oak
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FAQ survival

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Drop a peeporecline in a msg if it was usefull to you. It rly help us to know if this is usefull for new people

**NERFs? **
Bombs were never softcaped to 8 targets despite some people thinking they would be,

**How many SS to mantain in AoE? **
SS is a filler, u should not look to mantain x, you need to cast SS when kc would focus cap u, carve is on cooldown, and bombs are not capped. Dont overuse SS or u wont be able to cast carve. Dont spread SS during red bomb dot while fishing for tier set procs tho.

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**Fae or kyrian for m+? **
No matter if u have unity or not, tier set or not, kyrian will always pull ahead. Still fae is not as bad option for m+ as necro or venthyr, if u need a fae for Mists or DoS or u need more solot at the expense of your AoE, it can be a posibility.
Streets is an example of a dungeon where fae can be good, specialy if going to the left because mob density is always sub 5 targets. Kyrian is still better for raw overall dps

icy ember
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What is currently the best covenant?

  • At 0p, you will want to run Venthyr with Theotar in raids and Kyrian with Mikanikos in dungeons.
  • At 2 or more pieces, you will want to run Night Fae with Dreamweaver in raids and Kyrian with Mikanikos in dungeons.

What talents do i run?

  • Always run Alpha Predator, Guerrilla Tactics, Bloodseeker, Tip of the Spear and Wildfire Infusion in all forms of content. Talents not mentioned here are related to utility and survivability and are a matter of picking what you need.

What is my stat priority?
Don't forget, these are simple guidelines, but you should always sim your character in Raidbots for more accurate damage predictions.

  • Haste is our favorite stat in all situations. You should still watch out for diminishing returns, as they start to hit at around 30% haste.
  • Crit and Versatility have the same value, damage-wise. If you have the option, always go for Versatility, as it also makes you take reduced damage.
  • Mastery is bad. You want to avoid it as much as you can, most of the time even dropping a few ilevels to not have it. This is specially the case for people who have 2p or 4p.
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What is our best legendary? Where do i want to craft it?
You will want to run Wildfire Cluster and Unity in all scenarios.

  • Unity is your covenant legendary. You will receive a free 265 Haste/Mastery Waist at the end of the Zereth Mortis Campaign, but it can be crafted in all slots once you reach Revered with the Enlightened.
    Because of this, you will want to recraft your Unity as soon as possible. The recommended slots are: Legs, Feet and Neck. All of them are equally viable and are very close to eachother in dps.
  • Wildfire Cluster can only be crafted on Waist and Legs. We suggest you to craft it on Waist, as Legs may conflict with our tier set slot.
  • You also have the cheaper option of using Wildfire Cluster on Legs and keeping the free Unity Waist from the campaign, but that risks your tier set, as you won't be able to activate it if you drop Legs.

What stats do i choose?
Haste is mandatory, but Crit and Versatility are tricky. Since both stats scale equally well for Survival, you have two options:

  • Crit works best for offspeccing your Unity, as BM and MM use it well.
  • Versatility has a great defensive component attached that works amazingly well on Survival, since hunters are very squishy.
    I would recommend simming to figure out which stat would work best for your character, aswell.
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What does Mad Bombardier add into my rotation?
Mad Bombardier shifts our focus massively away from Raptor Strike in favor of more Kill Commands and Bombs in single target.

  • If you get a Mad Bombardier proc in any way, cast Wildfire Bomb immediatly.
  • Pheromone Bomb shifts our rotation into a phase we call fishing. When this DoT is active, we want to use Kill Command until you get a Mad Bombardier proc, even if it will cap you on Focus.
  • You should not use your second charge of Wildfire Bomb until you reach two charges or you have a Mad Bombardier proc. Try to not be in a situation where you have a Mad Bombardier proc ready but no Bombs to cast. In AoE, due to Carve's big cd reduction, being at 0 charges is not as bad with proper charge management.
  • Carve should still be used on cooldown at 3 or more targets. While fishing, don't Carve if you already have a bomb charge.
  • Kill Shot should still be used on cooldown, except while fishing.
  • Kill Command is still used every time you won't cap on Focus, but avoid casting this if you already have a Mad Bombardier proc ready.
  • Since Volatile Bomb is cast way more often, Serpent Sting is only refreshed if it falls off from your target. In Single and 2 Targets, if Serpent Sting falls off during a fishing phase, don't reapply it until either the fishing phase ends or you get another Pheromone Bomb ready to use. It should still maintain a high uptime in single target, but as fishing is really common in aoe, you will have way less windows to spread this dot.
  • Raptor Strike should still only be used when you have nothing to press.
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What is my rotation?

  • Don't EVER cap in bomb charges. If that number ever reaches 2, simply cast one as soon as you can.
  • Kill Shot should be used whenever you're able. It hits hard and costs almost no focus.
  • Carve should be used on cooldown at 3 or more targets, if it won't cause you to cap on bomb charges.
  • Kill Command should be used every time you won't cap on Focus.
  • Serpent Sting should be used whenever you're sitting at high Focus and your current target does not have Serpent Sting or it's about to expire. In AoE, since Bombs cost no Focus, you'll see a lot of windows to apply this to as many targets as you can.
  • Raptor Strike is your filler for when you're done with all the cases above. Note that, in AoE scenarios, you will want to spread Serpent Sting repeatedly, so this spell is pretty much ignored, as Serpent Sting does more damage for less Focus and has extra synergies.

Mad Bombardier Tier Set Rotation changes are mentioned above.
Wildfire Infusion and other talent specific rotation changes are mentioned below.

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When do i dump Tip of the Spear stacks?

  • You don't. Tip of the Spear might aswell don't exist. Just ignore it and enjoy the free damage.

Should i spread Bloodseeker for more attack speed and DoT damage?

  • You should, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. The instant damage from Kill Command does is more noticeable than the DoT in the long run and the extra attack speed does nothing for our rotation except seeing more melee damage.
  • However, it's important to note that Bloodseeker gains attack speed from EVERY bleed. So things like Internal Bleeding from Shrapnel Bomb, Guardian Druids and other classes that apply bleeds will also grant you extra stacks without playing around the Kill Command bleed.

Should i use Carve on two targets?

  • Yes, however, if you have the Pheromone Bomb dot active, don't Carve at all and focus on spamming Kill Command.

Should i use Carve on ONE target?

  • Please don't.
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How do i play around Wildfire Infusion?

  • Pheromone Bombs, or Red bombs, give our Kill Command a 100% chance to reset itself on casts. You can use this to refund your Focus, or to farm Mad Bombardier procs. The latter will usually be the case with 2p.
  • Volatile Bombs, or Green bombs, refresh our currently active Serpent Stings and doing a small bit of AoE damage. This is one of our best bombs in AoE scenarios, but don't pool all of your focus into spreading Serpent Stings if it might cause you to miss a Carve cast. In single target, try saving this to refresh your Serpent Sting for free.
  • Shrapnel Bombs, or Blue bombs, apply a bleed whenever we Raptor Strike or Carve our targets while they're affected by the bomb's DoT. With enough haste, you can Carve twice during Shrapnel Bomb's DoT, and those two stacks can go a long way into adding more damage to your AoE, but DON'T TRY TO STACK IT WITH RAPTOR STRIKE IN AOE. The bleed is very undertuned and we mostly treat it as free damage. Don't go out of your way to put it at 3 stacks.
  • REMEMBER: UNLESS YOU HAVE 2P, EVERY BOMB IS JUST FREE DAMAGE. DON'T GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO PLAY AROUND THEM IF IT'LL COST YOU DOWNTIME, OVERCAPPING OR MISSED CARVE CASTS.
dusky relic
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Where the @forest geyser at peepopause

forest geyser
forest geyser
forest geyser
twilit frost
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wtf is this channel

icy ember
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shush

dusky relic
alpine oak
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okey

fluid iris
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A

blazing dawn
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@random carbon this thread helps alot to understand the rotation and why

random carbon
jagged crown
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wich defense conduits do i choose?

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im playing this atm

icy ember
sharp crescent
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Hey! I was wondering. When u get the mad bombardier proc. Does only 1 bomb get the 80% dmg increase?

alpine oak
sharp crescent
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Okay thanks so i was so freaking dumb to use both instant xD

alpine oak
sharp crescent
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Oooh that's a nice thing to know.. So if i'm not melee i could spamm it. Even more so if i'm at max range to maximise the proc?

alpine oak
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No

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Proc will expire when the first bomb hit, so the second on the fly bomb will lose the buff mid air, even if u casted it with the buff

sharp crescent
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Okay thanks for the tips

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It's true that it takes half a second before the second one is available with the talent rng

alpine oak
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For therecord, if u miss the bomb or the enemy is inmune and "reflect" thebomb, or enemy dies while bomb is in the air, the bomb cd will be consumed but not the proc

novel bloom
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i know it was covered before probably but to what extent this affects survival? obviously depends on the patch notes but what's your guess?

alpine oak
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the nerf that reduces cluster damage beyond 8 targets its a nerf targeted to MDI and giga omega pulls.

The average player wont notice it, in raid u wont feel the diference. And even if u do such big pulls, the nerf is not that big

novel bloom
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I see,thanks!!

cunning agate
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How big is the nerf for surv?

dusky relic
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It is very minor and only affects pulls of 8+ targets

void grotto
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what is the haste cap for survival coz the sim is pushing meto 38%

blazing dawn
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There is no real cap

next ice
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what is the preferred way to sim m+ in raidbots for surv?

alpine oak
coarse igloo
forest geyser
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SleepyPepo even better usually yes

raven wren
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what do i need to take for hunter here? (best one)

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alpine oak
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u dont have any 278 bis, so nothing giga special to take

leaden lantern
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normaly legs are best for leggo, is back also good if you have 4 set with it or better wait for drop of 5 th piece?

forest geyser
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Ideally you put cluster on waist and unity on legs if you can get away with it considering tier pieces @leaden lantern

Unity can be on any slot. Good options are legs if you dont need that slot to match tier sets. Or waist neck ring bracer due to the free socket they give, boots is also strong.

Boots neck waist are generally amongst the top choices but ultimately require mythic zovaal legs to achieve that "top"

civic oxide
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so in a aoe pack is the normal opener bomb -> curve -> Bomb -> KC KC curve?

icy ember
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there's no normal opener since it's heavily based around your haste, the amount of carve cdr you're getting and your procs

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it's usually just serpent sting > bomb then follow the usual priority list

civic oxide
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okay the st prio list from the iv guide?

alpine oak
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always have 1 bomb saved just in case

civic oxide
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kk thx

dusky relic
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@west wolf

stuck valve
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!pi

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old wasp
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Hi guys, there is a graphic tip for how the cone of damage of Carve and Traps works? Like how to positionate myself in aoe damage?

forest geyser
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SleepyPepo i made a very scuffed one where i literally ran out of space on the left side lol

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this isn't so much how you should position

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but this is what bombs essentially do

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yellow = cluster
blue = bomb cone
red = enemies

green wave
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Question: duriing fish when red buff is up, should i jus spam kc or must carve when carve is up? for m+ aoe

alpine oak
# green wave Question: duriing fish when red buff is up, should i jus spam kc or must carve w...

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What does Mad Bombardier add into my rotation?
Mad Bombardier shifts our focus massively away from Raptor Strike in favor of more Kill Commands and Bombs in single target.

  • If you get a Mad Bombardier proc in any way, cast Wildfire Bomb immediatly.
  • Carve should still be used on cooldown at 3 or more targets.
  • You should not use your second charge of Wildfire Bomb until you reach two charges or you have a Mad Bombardier proc. Try to not be in a situation where you have a Mad Bombardier proc ready but no Bombs to cast.
  • Pheromone Bomb shifts our rotation into a fishing phase. When this DoT is active, we want to use Kill Command until you get a Mad Bombardier proc, even if it will cap you on Focus. Even in these fishing phases, Carve on cooldown is still a higher priority than Kill Command in AoE scenarios.
  • Serpent Sting should still be focused on having an 100% uptime in single target while being a filler spell in AoE.
  • Raptor Strike should still only be used when you have nothing to press.
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karmic pewter
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hey guys anyone else getting invis broken? my cammo always breaks when walking near tazavesh guardians (the lightning dudes b4 first boss in gambit or the guys on the sides of the hallway after 1 boss of streets)

alpine oak
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With cheeta u may be able to skip it fast enought

karmic pewter
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Why tho, why having an invis that’s not even invis enough 😦

full root
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Camou is more like stealth, but a tiny bit worse

forest geyser
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PES_Think i really wanna retest it at some point

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i know in legion that resto druid stealth and camo was exactly the same

alpine oak
# karmic pewter Why tho, why having an invis that’s not even invis enough 😦

there are like 3 ranks of stealh.
Tier3 - No stealh -> enemies see u without any problem.
Tier2 - Camo-like -> Enemy vision range is reduced and it takes them some time to notice u if u are inside that range. If the mob is looking towards u, the vision range is increased
Tier1 - Rogue stealh -> perfect stealth where enemies cant see u but if u step on them still agro
Tier0 - Pot -> cant agro mobs no matter what u do

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druid stealth and camo work like the 2nd tier

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mage, feral and rogue works like tier 1

forest geyser
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rogue/feral stealth is not that powerful that you can just step on them peepoEyes

alpine oak
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then they are one tier below

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and pot tier 1

forest geyser
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facing of the mobs also matters a ton

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which rogues can manipulate with distract

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you can somewhat replicate the effects in a duel

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duel someone with invis, doesn't matter who

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have them go invis

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and approach them until you see them

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then turn around

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suddenly they disappear until you face them again

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even if neither of you move

alpine oak
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saying that, im going to copypaste the link again just in case someone new joins the thread

karmic pewter
alpine oak
karmic pewter
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Okay ty guys

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The thing is a resto Druid passed by those same mobs and didn’t have any problem with his stealth, even though it should be the same as cammo

alpine oak
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he may dashed trought it

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or feral afinity may increase the stealth level

long field
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you can just cheetah or disengage through most mobs in camo

karmic pewter
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Oh feral afinity

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Touché

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Ty guys

alpine oak
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That image is what i meant

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With that in mind u should already know what is better in your example

orchid jay
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@alpine oak oh the yellow circle is cluster or?

alpine oak
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Yes. Legend is like, the next msg

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Well, actualy idk if the word for that is legend. It is in spanish but is a weird one

elder dome
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I can only use shadowcore oil if im using staff?

forest geyser
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Shrapen stones work on "sharp" weapons

icy ember
craggy falcon
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Should i actually keep bombs on cd or Safe 1 Stack?

alpine oak
craggy falcon
alpine oak
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If only u had a link to that right before u asked

tidal phoenix
gleaming cliff
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Maybe im overthinking stuff, but when i have 2 charges of kill command and am about to cap focus, do i kc and overcap focus to not waste kc or do i raptor strike? Or is it ONLY worth overcapping focus with pheromone up?

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i guess "- Raptor Strike should still only be used when you have nothing to press. " answers that question, but im unsure LUL

alpine oak
craggy falcon
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Which bl pet should i use for m+?

shut kite
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Doesnt matter. Take which you prefer. They all do the Same dmg

alpine oak
gaunt swan
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yooo, so with 9.2 what are gonna be the chase items we should be after from the new Vendors

alpine oak
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wait for the patch to drop

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or at least, for when we now something about the date

gaunt swan
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Aight. Was just hoping for speculation but I suppose this isn't the proper channel for that. My bad

alpine oak
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No

alpine oak
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?

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Does something need to be complicated to add a FREQUENT ASKED QUESTIONS section?

alpine oak
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The conclusion is that only the survival comunity tryed to create a faq. Or at least, have it up

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Threads are not locked by mods, anyone can create them

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We created the FAQ because the more chances of people stepping on the answers, the less FAQ questions we need to answer

forest geyser
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peepoStrawberry also sv is a frequently rolled spec at the moment

ashen lintel
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Also the spec has several counter-intuitive mechanics tied to Mad Bombardier while BM/MM are a lot more straight forward.

alpine oak
gaunt swan
ashen lintel
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Spamming KC and overcapping focus with red bomb for proccs is an example

gaunt swan
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true

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the fishing

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i guess some newer players would think they need to dump focus, huh

ashen lintel
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ye, or "always" keeping 1 bomb charge up

gaunt swan
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yeah so you can use procs

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you right

potent hare
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can u pin the link in the thread tho? or do you enjoy resending it each time?

alpine oak
potent hare
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Icic well thank you for doing the leg work and making the guide

alpine oak
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Idealy no one should talk here. But is a normal thread, is not a mod channel or something like that

cinder sorrel
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Hello Everyone! Is there any specific rating to reach for Critical Strike? Or if we need to chose between Crit and Versa, are we choosing Versa? Cuz i simmed my char it offered me to use Crit enchant.

alpine oak
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! Svstats

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Your stats don't matter. Use Raidbots Top Gear and forget everything else. Do not ever run a Stat Weight sim in your life ever again, and uninstall Pawn. Thus Sayeth the Lord.

cinder sorrel
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ty!

plush pagoda
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👀

fringe saddle
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on ST do you alternate between raptor strike and KC when there is no bombs to use?

alpine oak
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Yesnt

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U want to mantain SS, dont let kc charges cap and dump extra focus with RS. Of course, dont use kc if that will cap your focus

manic scarab
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Hi there, if i have 2 charges on bomb with no mad bombardier procs and the bomb is the green bomb, do I just throw it immediately even if SS on boss still has a lot of time left? or do i save it for when SS is about to run out?

native drum
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What is my rotation?

  • Don't EVER cap in bomb charges. If that number ever reaches 2, simply cast one as soon as you can.

Copy paste my man ...

manic scarab
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  • Volatile Bombs, or Green bombs, refresh our currently active Serpent Stings and doing a small bit of AoE damage. This is one of our best bombs in AoE scenarios, but don't pool all of your focus into spreading Serpent Stings if it might cause you to miss a Carve cast. In single target, try saving this to refresh your Serpent Sting for free.
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so do i save it or simply cast it?

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Thanks man, appreciate it!

alpine oak
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If u can minmax bomb colors do it, but not at the cost of capping bombs, or staying more than 1/2 gcds without one bomb charge ready

manic scarab
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ok gotcha

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thanks bob and ohar, appreciate it

blissful hornet
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why dont u cap on bomb charges i just wondered

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why is that bad

alpine oak
vagrant stump
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At the top under the mad bombadier section it says to not carve during red if you already have a charge, further down there is a quote of that section where it says carve during red is higher prio than kill command. Just to make sure, the section at the top is the right one?

vagrant stump
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Ah, searching found it depends on if you spread the kill command or not, sorry for not doing that first.

alpine oak
alpine oak
robust sundial
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hai

sick phoenix
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!trinket

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alpine oak
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wtf

alpine oak
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true

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FAQ channels usually are not for requesting info

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and even less for requesting info from a bot

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Frequent asked questions

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its a channel where frequent asked questions are answered

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not a channel where u are frequently answering questions

dusky relic
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Literally in the name

blissful hornet
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what as a surv hunter is refreshing my serpentsting automatically at times

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is there a skill that is doing that

pearl minnow
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green bomb does that

blissful hornet
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oh ok

alpine oak
alpine oak
forest geyser
twilit frost
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do surv hunter have more dmg then mm and bm hunter for raiding ?

pale delta
twilit frost
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ok

alpine oak
icy ember
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@alpine oak change the name of the thread to old FAQ or something if you can't delete it

alpine oak
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Secretvival discord

lyric drift
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secret channel

crude hatch
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excellent work

languid geyser
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secretvival discord

pale delta
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🎼Secret-vival 🎵 secret-Vival~~ 🎶secret secret secret secret-vival🎤

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burnt vector
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yo im proud to be a part of the secret discord

languid geyser
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oh no, run

errant cypress
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Weeb invasion

pale delta
crude hatch
alpine oak
lyric drift
languid geyser
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Who's nubmuffins

alpine oak
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@pale delta

languid geyser
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Why is your name nubmuffins