#Diablo 4
pastel flicker
d4cels are just mad their end game is grinding things over and over, not like poe where we grind things over and over
covert copper
D4 chills mad at poe cells they want content 
pastel flicker
maybe one day theyll get content like us poechads where we do the same thing over and over
worthy edge
I'm probably skipping this season of D4, looks pretty damn shit
fluid dew
maybe one day theyll get content like us poechads where we do the same thing ove...
I wish this game that just came out could pull from content catalog of 23 seasons too
pastel flicker
I wish this game that just came out could pull from content catalog of 23 season...
me too
i wish this game that just came out would ignore all the valid feedback that poe is way too daunting for people to get into
coral holly
I wish the people thinking PoE is hella daunting and complex gave it an honest effort instead of jerking each other off about the size of the total passive tree
fluid dew
I mean it is hella daunting and complex
You sorta have to play multiple seasons to really grasp what is going on
You also need to follow guides that would put english major essays to shame
coral holly
None of those statements are true, but that’s been the Diablo fanboy argument all along. Dabbi plays PoE, that’s all anyone needs to know.
fluid dew
He's been playing poe for years
Ask a regular person to start up poe with no guide and they're likely not going to have a good time
And that's fine, the poe fans clearly enjoy the complex and insane amount of girth to the content
unique orchid
What Vark says is true.
steep kestrel
I tried PoE after trying D3 and the animations etc just
instantly killed it for me
early game
everything felt so janky movement wise in comparison
fluid dew
What Vark says is true.
ty cutie
pastel flicker
I wish the people thinking PoE is hella daunting and complex gave it an honest e...
it's not really a circle jerk lol it's just valid. super ironic to say "that's been the diablo fanboy argument all along" like it's not a poe fanboy argument to say it's super accessible when that's not the case at all
ornate quarry
None of those statements are true, but that’s been the Diablo fanboy argument al...
and he also fires 80 billion questions per league to sikte
Poe isn't daunting it's just very time consuming
covert copper
I wish the people thinking PoE is hella daunting and complex gave it an honest e...
soooo TRUEEEEEE
covert copper
early game
yes but the end game and mid game of poe beats every arpg on market.
most ppl just go "oh poe is to complex" after only doing act 1.
POE is not that complicated nowdays. There is fuck loads of information out there that ppl refuse to take part of.
worthy edge
dabbi with a based take for once 
covert copper
D4 can be simple for sure
D4 dont have to be poe
but for god sake do something with the game
Builds -> SImple and lacking
End game -> lacking
something you learn after giving poe a try is the amount of builds u can do and revamp around. I wish d4 had more then like 2-3 builds 
steep kestrel
I'm not even talking complexity. I feel like I'm generally not dissuaded by complicated and obscure game or mechanics (given the fact that I have fun with shit like osrs and figuring out wow bosses/interactions and theory). It was literally just a case of "this movement feels worse than a fucking point and click game from 2000" xd
covert copper
dabbi with a based take for once <:OkayChamp:834530916390273076>
I mean poe is not that complicated when u follow a guide
covert copper
I'm not even talking complexity. I feel like I'm generally not dissuaded by comp...
It does feel awful at start but it gets better later on. when you get movement speed, movement abilities with links, bla bla etc
I find combat in d4 is fucking awful at the start
I'd enjoy d4 more if there was something to actually do. I actually think Draco u would fucking love poe if u gave it a shot
pastel flicker
I mean poe is not that complicated when u follow a guide
You shouldn't need to follow a guide tho that's the thjnf
covert copper
PoE Endgame
Bossing -> uber bosses for loot/services
Mapping with specific grinds in mind depending on ur atlas map (u can change and add multipiers you enjoy playing with , like tower defense for example )
Delving
Crafting
probly something more I forgot idk
D4 : Nightmare dungeons. and uber lillith , but I dont know if there isa reason to even kill her?...
covert copper
You shouldn't need to follow a guide tho that's the thjnf
well u do in d4 as well if u wanna make a giga build
doolb u cant tell me that no one is using guides for d4 min maxing gear with their aspects?
pastel flicker
PoE Endgame
Bossing -> uber bosses for loot/services
Mapping with specific grind...
Poe end game -> grind content for loot
Diablo ens game -> grind content for loot
steep kestrel
well u do in d4 as well if u wanna make a giga build
untrue, I got to my long-range ice shards build on my own
It was in fact
covert copper
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pastel flicker
There's a difference in using a guide to ninmax and using a guide to understand the game
covert copper
@worthy edge lmao Jousis made a new build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmKf_bgtknM
covert copper
There's a difference in using a guide to ninmax and using a guide to understand ...
this is 2 different things
Poe is not as complex as you think.
In d4 u use guide to follow a build
in poe u use a guide to follow a build
poe has more mechanics which needs guides and information to understand sure but u can ignore them they are not forced on you
Like doolb Im a huge d2 nerd. and PoE is more like d2 than d3 and d4 been.
when you start out as a new player in poe
you load up a guide to ur build and just focus on doing the acts its not that hard
steep kestrel
Feel like you're still missing the general point
D3 and D4, you can get to end game and such
without ever using a guide
that's how little "complex" they are
any game you want to minmax you prob want to study up on, that's fair
but PoE it feels like from the outside, you need that guide to just get there
covert copper
Used to be like that nowdays U just do the act 1-10
covert copper
then u have ur pals on discord guide u, look at @graceful ocean he did insanely well for his first league
covert copper
already lost me
pastel flicker
"bro it's not daunting all you need to do is 10 acts, have a guide open at all times, and have a group of friends on cal 24/8 to answer any questions you have"
covert copper
back when I started game was like "AHAHHA FUCK UUUUUU"
10 acts is same as doing ur 6 acts in d4
Im gonna hope s2 and s3 of d4 do something or if its still gonna be the same empty pit with same builds
also I can play minions in poe that are viable 
also in poe we doing a TSL private season which will be fun af next league
wise moth
covert copper
based
fluid dew
POE is not that complicated nowdays. There is fuck loads of information out ther...
Just because there is a lot of information out there does not mean that it is not complicated
If anything that statement proves the sentiment of it being too complicated in the first place
fluid dew
Yeah
ornate quarry
it has a lot of big and little nuances you don't pick up whilst gaming either
ornate quarry
i learn something new every season
fluid dew
That's how the game works
That's very natural and normal for a game that's been in active dev for like what over 10 years
ornate quarry
diablo franchise has never been in depth, it's not the same audience, it's about do a few quick dungeons with friends
kill a boss here and there
and logoff
fluid dew
^
D4 is clearly a more casual experience
That does not mean its an objectively worse game
Its like playing BM hunter
ornate quarry
if d3 didn't have a paragon system, or ancients or primal ancients, or leaderboards, it would have been a you do it once and logoff til next season kind of game
or grs
d4 is very basic in its form, and I rather have them get their item stats and the item power system correct before they shovel more shit on top of it
like alkaizer said, he expects this game needs about 4-5 seasons before it gets good, but he will still play it for a little bit every season
and he also flamed poe at the same time too
fluid dew
Bro the game isn't that complicated
ornate quarry
what i must give cudos to, and it's very obvious which team carries in blizzard
necromancer armor sets
are insanely well done
fluid dew
Just read this 10k word essay on this build that is an aura, watch the 7 hour youtube video on it, then use this 3rd party program to run builds on your character
Oh yeah then learn 8 really important seasonal activities that you'll need to interact with to get the items you want
Oh yeah then if you wanna trade go to the website
ornate quarry
thats both a pro and a con
fluid dew
oh yeah so there also isn't a natural currency we use these orbs
ornate quarry
lots of content is good, but when half of it is meaningless it's a problem
fluid dew
And these different orbs hold different calues that you can track with ANOTHER website
Like poe is great that there is so much to do
But pretending like that isn't going to absolute mind fuck new players is weird
That's such a massive ask for someone that has 0 investment into the series
fluid dew
dabbi did you read anything I just said
Do you even have memory I've been in the poe chat for 1 season and you were perma lost and confused
covert copper
i dont even know what im doing past 2 days cause im not on my medication wooo
ornate quarry
also poe can get very indepth
covert copper
4 days and now im cooked
fluid dew
Take your fucking meds
pastel flicker
average poeplayer
pastel flicker
too busy paying attention to 1 of 560 seasonal activities, currencies, needless complex builds
pastel flicker
"bro you just needa 30 chaos orbs, 26 exalt orbs, 19 pandemonium orbs, then you can get this item. and it's super rich cause we do this "mapping" thing which gives special affixes to dungeons u farm over and over"
covert copper
this is best thing ever happen
a build that makes others ppls build not viable
10/10 would troll public grps again
@pastel flickerwould u play this?
pastel flicker
no
covert copper
why
pastel flicker
dont play poe
covert copper
i would play this and party up with sikte
fluid dew
Take your meds
covert copper
covert copper
"bro you just needa 30 chaos orbs, 26 exalt orbs, 19 pandemonium orbs, then you ...
actually you only care about chaos orbs and divine orbs 
!!!!!!!
doolb what about this
A build that makes ur game runs at 1 fps cause its to much 
fluid dew
Take your meds
covert copper
woooooooooooooooo maybe
inner moat
"bro you just needa 30 chaos orbs, 26 exalt orbs, 19 pandemonium orbs, then you ...
poe good 
pastel flicker
@covert copper its your bed time
take your medicine before you forget
I am explicitly reminding you
covert copper
<@133291096246583296> its your bed time
do i have to bedge now?
pastel flicker
idc jsut take your medicine
fluid dew
@pastel flicker Thoughts on my ethically sourced transmog
fluid dew
It's a CLOAK!
fluid dew
@pastel flicker thoughts
fluid dew
winged stag
but PoE it feels like from the outside, you need that guide to just get there
Idk preach managed to get to maps just fine without guides. sure it was a bit of slog from seasoned poe players eyes, but it was interesting to see how he went about it
covert copper
Hahahah
covert copper
Idk preach managed to get to maps just fine without guides. sure it was a bit of...
He didn't even read twitch chat
ornate quarry
<@204500540992782356> Thoughts on my ethically sourced transmog
which pieces are those
btw
wtf
ornate quarry
Idk preach managed to get to maps just fine without guides. sure it was a bit of...
i mean i did the same in my first season
it's not a particularly hard thing to do, but i was lost figuring out how everything worked
was the same time empy started playing that got me intrigued
so I kept asking questions to him and he was get a guide
soft drum
twisting blades + barber gem is so fucking fun man
steep kestrel
Twitter
neat hedge
...
covert copper
i wanna play d4 but 
sturdy viper
The actual fuck?
worthy edge
probably won't affect much anyway
sturdy viper
It's ass
ornate quarry
Man I only just discovered this is a thing
barely does anything
and you get all blessings once you hit 100
soft drum
Can respec them too
fluid dew
@umbral linden wyd brother
umbral linden
<@212509524358201345> wyd brother
Power walk
Gotta stop by the dispensary and grocery store atter
fluid dew
I'm getting my ass beat by the capstoner
ornate quarry
battle pass completed
now im gonna chill play and wait to see what they do with sorc
if sorc becomes good i'll play that, if not i'll just chill til poe league
worthy edge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNe6ccRZOF0 Based Kripp
sturdy viper
unique orchid
There are so many possible reasons that decision was made that make it completely fine
But ok 
sacred ruin
unique orchid
Its weird it’s there now but I have many systems at work where some things are so deeply interconnected we can’t easily fix the issues under the hood easily
It takes years and millions to do so
So if they at one point wanted stash to stash trading, or inspecting to include inventory+stash or something else entirely it can be deeply ingrained in how it’s built
sturdy viper
I love all the non developers take on that piece of information
well you know speaking like the arm chair dev that I am with 35 years in every language and stack. this is a dumb fucking design choice they made in their system
soft drum
I love all the non developers take on that piece of information
To be fair, the developers take on that piece of information has also been "what the fuck is wrong with you designing like that"
Have even seen some game Devs going "here's how we avoided that, it took us 2 seconds you morons" followed by a heap of good information
unique orchid
Yeah in the current state it's weird
but I imagine there's a reason it's there because someone wanted X at some point
also have to remember d4 was in development hell for a while 
Guaranteed a bunch of "here be dragons"
Recently took back a project my team passed on 2½-3 years ago
so much stuff to clean up and fix 
queen raptor
I love all the non developers take on that piece of information
people with no knowledge on programming or system design having strong opinions on programming and system design?
Impossible
sturdy viper
shut up kilo
ornate quarry
In poe we can have unlimited tabs atlest
just need to buy them with money
also poe has like 300k players
diablo has millions
database implications are on a bit bigger scale
fluid dew
Poe all time peak on steam charts is just over 200k
fluid dew
Do they have a separate client
ornate quarry
yes
fluid dew
Ah
fluid dew
Hmmm but you're defending poe by pointing that out
Outsmarted dabbi
@pastel flicker thoughts on my masterclass deconstruction of dabbis psyche
fluid dew
Lick an armpit loser
kind swift
Lick an armpit loser
with pleasure
kind swift
sacred ruin
lusty raven
