born to diee

[frail lagoon]

Why do hunters take more damage and die easier than other classes?

[white hare]

Lack of defensive abilities, we get almost no versa because it's our weaker stat

We have exil for post DMG, turtle and survival and now bear fortitude which doesn't work if you need to lust

[sharp yew]

Because we are wearing mail.. mail bad

[jagged atlas]

you can just dismiss your pet before pull

and have your defensive

[white hare]

You can but you don't have that defensive while your pet is out and can't use another defensive while dismissing it

Else you cancel it and need to start dismissing again

[jagged atlas]

Yeah but you only need to lust for pre planned packs or bosses so 0 issues there

Plus our defensives are fairly good for rotating

[white hare]

Unless lust comes up mid fight

[jagged atlas]

I mean if shit hits the fan sure, but still not an issue

we have many tools to survive it's just using it properly

[white hare]

Our defensives are good but we don't have a big number of them compared to other classes and again lack of stacking versa hurts us

[jagged atlas]

Compared to what?

Sote, Fort, turtle, exil and healing pot to deal with things

that's quite a lot

[white hare]

Experienced players can rotate them well but hunter is one of the most played classes and not everyone can min max defensives

[jagged atlas]

That would go for any class then though

[white hare]

More prevalent on hunter

[jagged atlas]

Doubt

[white hare]

Bigger number of players more noticeable

[jagged atlas]

If they can't rotate defensives on hunter they aint gonna rotate it on any other class

They just bailed out due to more tankyness without defensives

People just don't know what kills them and when to use defensives if using them at all

[white hare]

There ya go then you answered his question

Before we could even use feign death defensively now it's just pvp

[static dirge]

Well hunter specifically what u dont have is the passive leech other classes do for bm leech does nothing basically and for mm you dont want your pet out

Compare that to rogue or dh or dk with lots of passive heals, mage and lock lots of shielding goin on, or a hybrid with heals and its just very lacking

[white hare]

Rogues are also tankier by nature of spells feint, cheat death, evasion, cloak, red vial on a shorter cd

[naive wedge]

You can actually still use it to avoid dmg from the inferno cast in ruby life pools

[sonic flame]

I thought inferno is the big aoe, you can feign that?

[timid phoenix]

i think it's more of the longer cooldowns on hunter's abilities.

[timid phoenix]

not sure it's fair to compare hunter to one of the tankiest dps classes.

[white hare]

we can use warriors

we got AMAZING defensives don't get me wrong

but they aren't many and not too many mitigation ones like feign death for dmg reduc was in SL

[oak magnet]

It's also more noticable since we had DRs in Shadowlands through Hunter's Mark and the feign death DR and we've lost all of that

[amber quarry]

We also lost Podtender and the Leech from Mend Pet, which wasn't much but it was a bit of self sustain we don't have anymore: I was progressing hc Kurog with guild the other day and by the time we got to the Enveloping Earth debuff (the one that absorbs 350k healing) all hunters in the group were naked with most defensives on CD
It's not a completely hopeless situation, personally I'd be fine with a slightly lower CD on Exilh/SotF or just if they gave us back Mend Pet leech

[oak magnet]

Mend pet leech would leave out MM though

[amber quarry]

Then something could be added to Lone Wolf to compensate, like Mend Pet healing you instead.
I remember back in Pandaria when warlocks chose Grimoire of Sacrifice talent and went without their demon, they would get like 20% more health to compensate for the damage that would've gone to the pet via Soul Link.
Something like that

Or, like I said, lower CDs for common defensives and be done with it, less flavour but easier execution