Wondering if Pert or anything else can guess it.
#♟️Chess
woeful wolf
dusky hull
who to play
dusky hull
uh
idk
seems rough because of the pin
only check is Qxe1 and thats trash
am i just missing how black equalizes because position looks really bad
woeful wolf
Well
its not that type of puzzle
moreso im surprised stockfish likes the move
it keeps it where it is (+5 for white)
dusky hull
oh then probably giving up the queen
woeful wolf
yep yep
dusky hull
because engine math usually will say well fuck it we're losing material anyway may as well get activity or something
so probably Nxd4 then
woeful wolf
ye
tardy finch
To be fair, when I saw this puzzle, the biggest hint you could have given me was "move is really interesting". First idea was, "Hey, white is ready to castle and maybe you can prevent castling in such a way that white is under a lot of pressure" and started looking for a position where I could place the queen. Now I see there is none and the queen is in trouble. No knight check either. So, getting back to the hint "move is really interesting". It's no tactical genius, it's stupid beyond comprehension. So queen dies. It's under attack from the knight and pinned by the bishop. Nxd4 it is.
P.s. In a real game, I'd run the queen and give up the knight.
woeful wolf
Yeah I would of done the same
I was mostly really surprised and followed stockfishes idea thinking it had some way to win back material
It did not
But surprisingly the eval bar stays the same just giving up the queen
Suppose you get a knight and bishop as compensation for it
But that doesn’t seem ideal unless you have a material advantage
tardy finch
The fish just needed a day off
woeful wolf
Fish playing a joke on me
woeful wolf
@dusky hull I think I played really well here considering
I should of taken his rook right away
It
Just didn’t see it
tardy finch
All you can gobble board
cyan elm
https://lichess.org/voRxn5hw/black#0 made opponent rage quit
got such nice control of the center this game felt very comfy
so mad they quit tho
I actually had the bishop move lined up
woeful wolf
This man thought about this move for 2 min
Whatever shall I do
Try not to checkmate puzzle
dusky hull
https://lichess.org/voRxn5hw/black#0 made opponent rage quit
usually black will try to get a queenside expansion with a5 a4 or something to that degree. but the way you played it with qs castling is certainly not bad. you punished the overzealous c4 very well
woeful wolf
I simply don’t understand the obsession with the bishop move
Almost everyone makes that move
@dusky hull any opinions on the englund gambit
I suspect you are gonna say ||don’t like it unsound easy to counter stop playing dumb openings and play something structurally sound||
dusky hull
<@171682145646018560> any opinions on the englund gambit
My least favorite gambit of all time. If you want to play the Englund gambit, just play the budapest. Way more sound, still a gambit, same ideas, and the positions can get wild
Budapest games can actually be quite intense for both sides even if white is theoretically better
Englund games, if white avoids the early traps, are just always better for white every time
dusky hull
Lol I mean I won’t sit here and say that people aren’t going to fall for the early traps
The problem is what do you do when they don’t and your position sucks
dusky hull
Oh yea and given your usual stormvine complex, you will go down in material to win the game later
Standard fashion
If you give me a little bit to shower and get food, I’ll find a game I recently played against the Englund and show just how easy it is to ruin black’s ideas from the get go
I don’t think anyone has played the budapest against me in recent times so I don’t have anything for that on hand
woeful wolf
Sure
woeful wolf
@slate stream You gotta play some more chess with the boys
slate stream
<@204500540992782356> You gotta play some more chess with the boys
dont wanna scare more of you away
woeful wolf
True GM Doolbee
slate stream
the trick is to always go e4
dusky hull
just means i like playing against e4
void bramble
Was he already a villain? He's only been nice to me
woeful wolf
Thats how he gets you
Naw joking aside
Pert is the nicest guy on here unless hes on OW
slate stream
@snow magnet thoughts
snow magnet
tardy finch
esp when playing pert he loves it
Pert isn't a fan of playing e4 himself but sure as hell loves seeing it on board
slate stream
one day Ill beat pert...
tardy finch
We're both dreamers, aren't we...
slate stream
i like to think im SO bad at chess that he wont have a response for the rancid plays I make
only reason @cyan elm was able to beat me was that I was going easy on him
tardy finch
To be fair, first time we played, he was so dumbfounded by the random.org sponsored filth I played that he thought it was some gambit he hasn't seen
dusky hull
Correct. You drop the bishop back to block check with tempo on the queen.
If black tries to repeat with queen back, just develop with Nc3 and you will always be better
If black takes the b pawn, Nc3 and Rb1 are generally musts
woeful wolf
I pray for not e4
When I am black
E4 is boring
Oh look you are gonna try to scholors mate or play the Italian
tardy finch
And then it's the drunk bishop gambit
dusky hull
It has been awhile since I've asked, but does anyone wanna play a few
any time control
void bramble
I'll play correspondence chess with you 
dusky hull
the time must be controlled
dusky hull
tardy finch
I'm operating on a very limited number of braincells and still have a hard time getting back to the game so it's up to you if you want to waste time
dusky hull
if you're not up to it its fine 
tardy finch
Just can't get the good shit going
And I don't want to try cheating with angy juice
Even worse, end of month we'll have a guild meeting and I fear some zoomer kid will beat me and start doing cringy Fortnite dances to celebrate
void bramble
Why do people insist on me participating in a timely manner geez
slate stream
all these terms thrown around 
dusky hull
what terms are you interested in learning
slate stream
ALL I dont know any
chess told me I did some sicilian defense yesterday and I thought it was mocking me
dusky hull
rofl - rooks open files, loser
lmao - let my a-pawn out
imho - i move horizontally only (a rook that refuses to go up and down)
do posts in threads even make it to the starboard
apparently so
slate stream
ryli controls your fate
dusky hull
it do be like that
void bramble
Play slow chess with me 
Azor refuses to play slow with me now too and I think it's cuz if I have time to think I can beat him 
dusky hull
in all seriousness though dr. oolb, the terminology isn't exactly important, but if you have a specific question i can answer it for you. files (columns) and rows are alphanumeric a-h files and 1-8 rows.
you can describe moves by stating the first letter of the piece (except N=knight because K=king) followed by the square it is landing on. if it captures something, you use an x. if it causes a check, you use a +. if it causes checkmate, you use #.
ex: Qxf7# would mean queen captured (something) on f7 which caused checkmate
and pawns moves are just the square itself. so you'd say e4 or exd4 or something
dusky hull
Azor refuses to play slow with me now too and I think it's cuz if I have time to...
@delicate peak shes throwing shade your way. you gonna just take that?
delicate peak
went fine last time https://www.chess.com/game/live/74111694669
void bramble
You didn't need to ping him; Carl told him
@delicate peak does that mean we can play slow games again?
dusky hull
yea but pinging him is like an extra threat. like now he knows we know he was alerted
tardy finch
Castling - very legal and near mandatory move for new players who struggle with defense. Essentially allows you to move your king 2 squares AND develops a rook at the same time. Good stuff.
En passant - google it. In all seriousness though, rare move that allows you to deny your opponent's attempt to pass your pawn in safety with his but can only be played immediately after.
And last thing you need to know, there are so many openings that they are named after people, places, countries, holidays, random collection of letters and so on. Pay no attention to that. Stick to simple rules first.
dusky hull
yea the oinfiods891nf#batman13 gambit is a personal favorite
void bramble
yea but pinging him is like an extra threat. like now he knows we know he was al...
He's still not going to play slow games against me
dusky hull
hes busy making his livelihood
void bramble
I don't mean rn
tardy finch
I'm cool with correspondence as long as timer is just one day per move
We need not pigeons anymore to relay moves
woeful wolf
Its grobbin time'
tardy finch
Rise and grind? More like rise and grob
dusky hull
storm about to name his first son grobert
slate stream
@dusky hull knight to c3
dusky hull
lets play doolbyatmos
slate stream
i cant
I gotta work my way up
like the pokemon league challenge. you are the top dog.
dusky hull
i dont think these are scott pilgrim rules
slate stream
they are
if I ever want to date ramona flowers I have to beat up a bunch of people first
first I need to learn what en passant is and how to use it
dusky hull
thats like
one of the last fundamentals you need to learn
but yea sure i believe in you go beat up like 7 people in a row then come face me
tardy finch
if I ever want to date ramona flowers I have to beat up a bunch of people first
Have you tried the roundhouse kick gambit?
slate stream
no but I always open knight
slate stream
what do you mean magic man
tardy finch
White's position is what's known as the Reti opening. You are perfectly safe like this and can start developing pieces. Priority is knight, pawn, bishop, castle. The d pawn is not mandatory but helps a fair bit in denying black the "free" center.
Credit goes to Pert for spreading it all over TSL like butter on toast
tardy finch
You lubed the board AND the players
cyan elm
if I ever want to date ramona flowers I have to beat up a bunch of people first
who's the first ex you have to beat
slate stream
who's the first ex you have to beat
believe it or not matthew patel
cyan elm
didn't take him for a chess guy
tardy finch
Oh, that's what I totally meant, haha
hides baseball bat
woeful wolf
This man trying to do the funny 4 move checkmate but forgot the moves
@slate stream happy birthday
Something you are gonna run into as black is a lot of low elo white piece players will play the scholors mate which is a 4 move checkmate which can be tricky for black to stop if you aren’t aware of it
Something like one of these two positions
tardy finch
Betting one cheeseburger on Fabi
woeful wolf
delicate peak
LETSGOFABIII
dusky hull
Not familiar with Fabi tbh
World chess challenger prior to Ian, world #2 for a great deal of time and might’ve retaken it from ding although my memory is spotty
He’s a downright incredible player that is only marred by Magnus
So like not that any of you guys would know this but in the super smash bros melee competitive scene, there are power rankings done nationally but also state (in the US) power rankings. One top 5 pro at the time whose name is PPMD lives in North Carolina, which doesn’t exactly have a big melee scene. So like obviously he’s number one on their power rankings by a large margin because no one else in that state has a chance of competing with him. So at some point they literally said okay he just gets an honorary spot at number 0. The real power rankings for everyone else start at 1
And that is how I feel like magnus is
Magnus should just be #0. Fabi, ding, and Ian can fight it out for #1
woeful wolf
Pert it just works
I don’t get it
Why it works no idea
I can see the effectiveness falling off but
I’m winning about 100% of my games where they play the Scandinavian
And 100% where I get the Englund
dusky hull
lets play an englund game
allow me to show you the core of its dogshittery
scandinavian isnt bad, though. i support you playing scandi
woeful wolf
I think the scandi is dogshit
Englund has flaws and can be beat if you know how
Which I know you do
dusky hull
scandi has some surprising firepower, especially if you get a QS castle position
i recall having this talk with asiano some months ago, but one of the benefits of the scandi is it is relatively flexible with castling sides
dusky hull
kingside castles usually result in a struggle for black to get in d5. queenside castles usually result in black going balls to the fucking wall with attacking potential and hoping white cracks
lmao
also true
3 move game gg
dusky hull
so is that a no on the englund game
woeful wolf
I’m at work unfort
tardy finch
I think the scandi is dogshit
Yo foken w0t m8
I'll squeeze the life out of you and enjoy it
woeful wolf
Dont threaten me with a good time
tardy finch
No spanking
woeful wolf
Jeez more restrictions than azor
tardy finch
On a more serious note, the Scandinavian is my most played opening. I swear by it. If you really think it's shit, I'm going to be free on Sunday. Whenever you are ready, I'll be up for the challenge. I claim the Scandinavian is a respectable opening that can only be punished with educated play and a plan. Feel free to prove me wrong.
@woeful wolf just so you don't miss it
dusky hull
the plan: stop d5 lmao
tardy finch
You know, at one point of playing any opening you realize people will counter it in a specific way so you just play around it. Not getting d5 sucks but, oh well, just skip that step.
dusky hull
@woeful wolf dismantling the borg by not capturing and removing all opening traps any% speedrun https://lichess.org/IfqNYvSS/white#1
woeful wolf
The borg is actually ass
dusky hull
its so bad lmao
void bramble
Resistance is futile?
woeful wolf
You can resist the borg though
Just play good
As someone that’s extensively played it
It is really bad
slate stream
why is borg ass
dusky hull
the borg is classified by first white playing 1. d4 and then black responding with ...g5. The reason this is bad is threefold:
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in the immediate, white has already took claim of the center with d4. central control is a very important principle in chess as it gives you more flexibility in the game. black, being down a tempo by virtue of the base rule of the game that black goes second, now plays a move that makes no immediate claim to the center to challenge d4.
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in the near future, you are giving white a target to attack entirely for free. d4 claims the center but it also unleashes the dark square bishop, which conveniently looks at g5 already. you provoke white into taking your pawn, and if white doesn't fall for the traps that follow (just by virtue of either figuring it out or falling for it before and learning) then black will simply be down a pawn for little reason
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in the middle to late game, the g pawn push can be a very poor positional mistake for black. black usually wants to castle kingside in most positions. had black played g6 instead, the fundamental structure of the kingside becoming that sort of triangle shape would be a nice little defense. but g5 just stretches your pawns too far. if you try to reinforce it with h6, you're just creating a hook for white to attack with moves like h4 and Nf3 preparing to sac the knight in some lines all become possible. so for that reason, black is basically saying with g5 that he either has no intention of castling kingside or if he does hes acknowledging that he will have serious defensive issues later
@slate stream
slate stream
woeful wolf
From a practical standpoint and in a more simple expression
It puts you in a bad position developmentally for a minor gambit that even if your opponent allows you to take the piece you are still in such a poor position that you will lose shortly
dusky hull
ya ya what he said
dusky hull
For many, today is Easter
For Ding Liren and Ian Nepo, today is one of the most important days of their lives
World chess championship 2023 begins.
woeful wolf
On a more serious note, the Scandinavian is my most played opening. I swear by i...
The issue is the oppoenents at my skill level play it like this
or blunder their queen with the pin
woeful wolf
@tardy finch
The trend
Bring out queen let me corner queen
Threaten fork and never exceucte it
tardy finch
So the trend is people don't know even the slightest bit of theory after move 2
dusky hull
second game of the world championship match. more specifically, I'm time stamping the quote from Ding Liren when asked about having his second be Richard Rapport (who if you don't know is world 13th and an incredibly strong attacking, offensive player). I really ship the two of them becoming best bros like how Magnus is buds with Daniil Dubov and now also basically a chessbrah with Eric https://youtu.be/4e_BhGZnHp0?t=75
also its worth mentioning if you haven't seen the game that this is a fuckin good game
dusky hull
style points
void bramble
Are you still leading an insurrection or have you been subdued
dusky hull
yea storm are you still leading an insurrection
woeful wolf
woeful wolf
style points
void bramble
yea storm are you still leading an insurrection
Was talking to you
woeful wolf
I’m more of a follower
dusky hull
lead is illegal so i dont lead people
void bramble
tardy finch
You can lead me
You better bring a leash, fella, we have a special taste here
dusky hull
they're all disgusting
magnus, ding, nepo, and fabi
all either current or former or even possibly returning members of the 2800 club
woeful wolf
@tardy finch how’s your day going
tardy finch
In the process of hard bricking a nokhud 18 because power went out
And it's been raining all day
I dare say it's decent
woeful wolf
I prob have like a 21-22 key we can brick
Unless you are EU
Then I can not help
tardy finch
I mean ... I regularly whisper you at shit hours
ofc I am EU
weeklies are done, I was just helping guildies
void bramble
Has anyone tried this
dusky hull
its chess 960 on crack
if you wanna play a variant where you have the same # of pieces but in a different starting setup, play chess 960
pawns will always start on the 2nd/7th ranks tho
void bramble
I didn't like it; would I like a different variation?
dusky hull
well its certainly likely that the dog whom my discord name stans is named after that video game creature, yes
void bramble
Oh the others are dogs then?
dusky hull
dogs and cats
dusky hull
i just like reminding everyone how perfect their pets are
void bramble
Will you leave a voicemail for your favourite rapper about how amazing they are after you kidnap them
Petnap
void bramble
I'm making a 23 year old reference
Although maybe it was a recording not a voicemail
dusky hull
dont even know your own reference
void bramble
I am a failure
dusky hull
me @ myself when i make even a small inaccuracy in a game let alone blundering one away
void bramble
Relatable except I can't tell what's a mistake vs a blunder until the computer tells me at the end
woeful wolf
void bramble
Is that actually the definition or is that a joke
woeful wolf
Naw its a joke
A blunder is a simple overlooking of something you would normally notice. A mistake is a misjudgement or misassesment of the position. Blunders tend to be tactical in nature. Mistakes are strategically errors when you choose a wrong plan.
Via google
Also "Broadly speaking, in chess, a mistake changes the evaluation of a position, while a blunder changes the result of the game"
So tactics vs actual material loss really
woeful wolf
You could argue that its then impossible for me to blunder
because nothing I do will change the incoming loss that I have coming
cyan elm
tardy finch
Weekly challenge - get a game against the Scandinavian that is 10 moves or longer
tardy finch
Overthinking in action
tardy finch
Mr. Pert, what is your longest puzzle streak?
tardy finch
@woeful wolf Scandinavian actually pogging
woeful wolf
challenge failed
half hedge
Ding did his thing! 
dusky hull
I usually watch the games from agadmator when he posts them as watching in real-time can take hours, but I’m caught up to todays game which I will watch soon. I am on team ding if only because we just haven’t seen him much due to a variety of dumb reasons like travel visa and Covid and such
half hedge
Todays game is exciting
woeful wolf
Nou
half hedge
Rude
woeful wolf
Yes me
dusky hull
I will most certainly check it out whenever agad uploads
The games so far have actually been very good to watch
dusky hull
just watched it
pretty damn good game
more evidence that the english is the best opening for white 
half hedge
I hope ding keeps going like this 
dusky hull
as much as im rooting for ding, i also dont want nepo to crash and burn in the back half of the match like what happened with magnus
the stress of it is so much. im hoping for a good match through and through regardless who wins
just dont want nepo to walk away feeling like he didnt leave it all out there
also speaking of magnus, how do you guys feel about the situation which is regardless who wins the world championship, they won't be world #1
to be fair, these 2 also have respectable records in classical against magnus (ian has a losing record of 4-6 with 14 draws, ding has a losing record of 0-1 and 9 draws)
so its not like they're insanely behind him or anything. but im sure either of them might feel odd about it all
tardy finch
I usually watch the games from agadmator when he posts them as watching in real-...
Team Rapport here
Nepo pretty much crushed the competition and earned his spot as the contender with a nearly unseen advantage. He gapped everyone.
With that being said, the format highly favours Ding. And comparing either to Magnus puts Ding ahead as I'm pretty sure over the last year Ding is actually on a winning record against Magnus (need to double check).
Still, team Rapport and just enjoying some high quality chess.
Actually drawn, just checked. Magnus had two back to back wins to make even.
dusky hull
right so like they're both good against magnus with maybe a slight edge to ding, but ian is in the form of his life rn as you said gapping people left and right, BUT ding hasn't actually been at most of the events due to various reasons so its not like ding has been gapped he just hasnt been around, BUUUUUUT him not being around might actually prove to be a weakness as he hasn't had the same level of exposure to chess this year as the year's veteran ian, BUUUUUUUTTTTTTTT ding has never been a slouch and I don't think he'd let adversity such as visas and pandemic conditions to let his form drop--if anything he might utilize that time to his advantage in regards to preparation and solidifying whatever he considers to be his own weaknesses
so yea who knows
the fact that after today the score is 1 win a piece and 2 draws shows that this could just go back and forth until rapid tiebreak
tardy finch
If I had to pick one, I'd shoot myself to prolong the time to answer
delicate peak
im team ding
guy has so much underdog energy
rarely wanted a sportsman to succeed so much
tardy finch
Apparently the weekly challenge is too much
woeful wolf
Look most of the moves are book moves
Blundering your queen is just part of it
Stop playing it wrong and blunder your queen
Come on man
tardy finch
Black abandoned all theory on move 3, can't fool me 
woeful wolf
Best move
woeful wolf
I love it
People just lining up to get the englund
I often ask how did we end up here
woeful wolf
I’m sober not sure he was
woeful wolf
I play better when I have to poop and am playing on the pc
Slamming premoves to get a quick win.
tardy finch
That's me while raiding. I can only play between pulls so premoves in classic time control it is
woeful wolf
Just beat the weekly
46 move scandi game
Mind you he let me pin his queen so I don’t think it counts
man played like 17 best moves in a row but couldnt hold
half hedge
dusky hull
sorry guys, havent really been myself lately. i hope you guys are enjoying the wcc. sad ding lost G7, but its been a lot of back and forth and the G6 win with the London was something special.
half hedge
Hope you're okay @dusky hull 
delicate peak
@dusky hull sending love
half hedge
tardy finch
@cyan elm 
cyan elm
tardy finch
Ding is back 
Ding is back indeed
tardy finch
In this otherwise drawn game white is down on time and decides to go on the attack. Can you spot why either of the two moves spells doom for the white pieces?
woeful wolf
I wish all ruy Lopez players a bad day
void bramble
Don't be mean
woeful wolf
It’s all I know how to be
tardy finch
Why are you being mean to Pert
woeful wolf
Anon game on lichess
Guy sits for 3 min in a 5 min game after I check him
“Good game bye” in chat
Checkmates me with some interesting moves
I’m maybe just bad at chess
But I never would of personally considered that sequence
tardy finch
Did you save the game?
woeful wolf
No
delicate peak
Maybe he decided to cheat?
woeful wolf
Could be. Could be I’m bad and just missed something obvious
dusky hull
I wish all ruy Lopez players a bad day
why its so fun lol
i hope you guys have enjoyed the world chess championship so far
i think chess is so beautiful because you can have championships like the caruana v carlsen 14-straight draws that end in tie breaks, or you can have one like this, which is just an absolute slogfest of beating each other back and forth like a boxing match.
regardless who wins, im really glad to see rapids
slate stream
dusky hull
and unfortunately I think Ian is more comfortable under time pressure, or at least handles his time better, if his times on classical vs Ding's are any indication.
dusky hull
rekt
half hedge
LFGGGG DINNNGGG
rigid perch
Last match was so good
dusky hull
ill need to catch up on the tiebreaks, but maaaaaan
lets go Ding. World Champion Ding
I feel bad for Nepo because Nepo was arguably the better classical player throughout virtually all 14 games (except that one where he just blundered a pawn for like no reason). but that was a really commendable world championship
delicate peak
Ding's ability to comeback and perform under pressure (minus the time trouble freeze) is insane though
he came back from a 1-point deficit 3 times xd
dusky hull
For sure. That’s a true competitor right there. He didn’t let the pressure or being down in the match get to him. Rebounded every time until Ian finally gave him the opening in tiebreaks
Having a strong mental is often just as important as being skilled at the game.
delicate peak
And he didn't come across as having that mental early on
In fact he never does, he's so understated
But he's a monster competitor
He earned so many fans
cyan elm
He really is actually insane how Nepo would keep taking the lead but Ding refused to let him put the series away
dusky hull
Gotta feel a little bad for Ian to get beat up by magnus 2 years ago, dominate the candidates, become the challenger again, and then lose to someone who was clinging to the edge.
woeful wolf
Is there a way to ignore all draw and take back requests on lichess
I’m getting people who are spamming that shit
tardy finch
Yes, accept 
woeful wolf
dusky hull
Is there a way to ignore all draw and take back requests on lichess
there is not
never bothered me but usually when my opponents are in the situation that they're spamming draw/takebacks, they're usually in much worse positions than I am, so I just sit back and enjoy them spamming the button
its like them waving a flag begging for mercy, and they will find none with me
woeful wolf
woeful wolf
I again wish all ruy Lopez players a bad day
I wouldn’t mind playing against but every single time it’s just knight taking time
It’s boring uninteresting and in 75% of my games
It’s largely played by opponents who log onto chess website just to trade pieces even when they are down material
dusky hull
i dont follow. do you mean that after Bb5 they play a6 and you take the knight on c6?
if thats what you meant, Ba4 retreating and keeping the pin alive is actually slightly better than taking. the doubling of the pawns is not as big of an advantage as retaining the bishop pair and forcing black to deal with the pin with yet another move
or maybe you're playing it from the black side and you mean people take
to which i say, then dont play a6. play the berlin with Nf6
if after Nf6 they STILL trade on c6, this is one of the few times where capturing away from the center is actually okay. dx and you'll get a really strong queenside presence + you retain the bishop pair and honestly most of your problems are solved immediately.
dusky hull
right, so either dont play a6 there (and probably play nf6) or what you could do is you could play whats called the st george
- e4 a6
if white proceeds with 2. Nf3, you just carry out ruy lopez ideas but now you have a6 already played which makes Bb5 impossible.
you wont be able to get in e5 immediately, obviously, but its a nice mixup for the annoying RL players
dusky hull
woeful wolf
I’m regressing not progressing
tardy finch
It's alright. You can feel like you are moving backwards and that's okay. Take a breath. Type out fuck ruy lopez players. Play the moves you see most often in analysis or against Stockfish. Note how you get wrecked and deploy it as a counter. Relish in the small victories. Start winning bigger. Turn those wins into earnings. Get a huge boat. Do lines. Get addicted. Lose everything.
Then one day you'll look back and think it wasn't so bad. But deep inside you'll know RL ruined your life.
dusky hull
breaks are okay
progress and regress are both natural
i took a very long break from chess recently and only started getting back into it again
other than keeping up with the wcc, i wasnt playing anything
do what you gotta do, ya know
grand idol
hint: || think about how the knights could get it done if the queen werent there 
||
dusky hull
funny enough i solved this by first finding a mate in like 8 or 9
and then i was like ...wait. yea this is just much faster.
original attempt: ||Nh2 with the idea of Ng4#. Black is forced into Bf5, and then you play Qf4 paralyzing black's position. rook cant ever leave the back rank. black would play some silly moves delaying like Rc8 or something, and depending on black's moves, white would either move the king to allow the queen to mate on the h file, or would trade knight for bishop and be in a Q+N v R where the two pieces would coordinate against g7||
better attempt: ||you fuckin idiot perturb, Qb8 (and not Qe8) to free up the e5 square so the knight can jump in, and threaten a mate either on g4 or on f7. cant stop both.||
grand idol
|| how can bishop go from b1 to b5? ||
grand idol
ya for me || once I was trying to get nh2, but then the bishop defended. and then I realize rook is stuck on its file, so you basically just have to throw away the queen lol ||
dusky hull
right yea
we had the same thought process, i just explored the ||Nh2|| line a bit and it still leads to mate, just not M3
good puzzle 
i played a game and lost to 1. h4 ... 2. h5
great
thats where im at right now
big sadge
grand idol
i only play lichess but its weird, i have huge loss sprees and then huge win sprees
I beat an 1800 player yesterday so Im still riding that high 
dusky hull
nice dude
i was playing anonymous so i dont actually know what the rating was of my opponent, but i was still mad all the same
cyan elm
can I interest you in a game Pert
dusky hull
for all i know it was a 1200 who destroyed me
yes
can you wait 10 minutes so i can run to dunkin and get a bacyeggycheese
dusky hull
fantastic. brb in 10-15
dusky hull
@cyan elm 5+3 or something different?
cyan elm
5+3 works for me
cyan elm
nah go nuts
dusky hull
alright, gonna go for the st george since i talked about it earlier
to be fair, this didnt go as i had expected
so probably not the best example to give to stormvine
good counterplay, i got lazy
cyan elm
gg
cyan elm
good counterplay, i got lazy
as in calculating the end there with ur pawns vs mine
dusky hull
yea i just assumed b2 was winning and didnt think about it at all
like much stronger than h6 wouldve been hxg6
because then ok you get a pawn on g6 but its one pawn
either way, worthy win. you fought from virtually inescapable odds lol
cyan elm
ye true
woeful wolf
Being woodsy is winning
cyan elm
dusky hull
see? we all make mistakes
cyan elm
either way, worthy win. you fought from virtually inescapable odds lol
ngl went hella aggro at the start just trying to get pieces off the board lol
figured Pert without a queen
is a less scary pert
dusky hull
yea i wasnt quite sure why you were trading. i was super comfortable in that endgame, already having my king on d6
well. i was comfortable
cyan elm
ye I figured less pieces gives me more a fighting chance in the end game
woeful wolf
see? we all make mistakes
My parents made a mistake and I’ve made mistakes since
cyan elm
was my thought process for the opening
dusky hull
just be wary of that. usually better players will have better endgame skills, so trying to force an endgame may not be most ideal, but who am i to comment as i lost this one lol
let this be a lesson for us all to use our time. i still had 2 minutes that i couldve used to try to calculate b2
cyan elm
just be wary of that. usually better players will have better endgame skills, so...
this is true I think if I hadn't scuffed that bishop move giving u the pawn I would've been in a much better spot
but weirdly I know a fair bit of the pawn endgame patterns
dusky hull
yea i mean i get the thought process. you were afraid id trade, but even if i did, yea you lose the bishop, but youd get 2 central pawns
so you didnt need to move it
but you did well to force something to happen on the kingside
cyan elm
so you didnt need to move it
ye going back over the analysis of that game that was prolly what stuck out to me the most of a bruh moment in my play
dusky hull
yea i mean i think stockfish would agree with you
that was your only major blunder
technically its giving me 2 blunders but the last one is like. well, im already definitely losing. may as well get your rook off the board lol
my real mistake is obviously b2
dusky hull
yes lol
feral latch
Ok I tried reading up what you wrote about that Lopez thing and now my head hurts
woeful wolf
Just start with the basics
woeful wolf
Focus on playing good clean chess and the basics
dusky hull
heres what i want you to do in your next game.
- try to control the center. that means push central pawns and develop your pieces so that they attack the center.
- castle by move 10. get your king to safety.
- do not play f3 or f6. just dont do it.
dusky hull
g4 is structurally more sound than f3/f6 lol
feral latch
I mean I gotta open somehow and some video told me to either king or queen pawn to center
So I do That
dusky hull
if you do those 3 things nico you will make it to at least move 25 without getting checkmated, i promise you
feral latch
Yeah but I want to win
feral latch
Gotta check what bot settings lichess has
woeful wolf
Most beginners can think 1-2 moves ahead of that
So if you can think “what is my opponents intent with this move” and react accordingly you will do well
woeful wolf
Yes you can
woeful wolf
Start on 1-2
Higher is better if you go too high you are gonna get obliterated and not gain knowledge from it
feral latch
heres what i want you to do in your next game.
1. try to control the center. th...
wait so f3 is bad?
woeful wolf
So he means pawn to f3
woeful wolf
Developing the knights to the center is solid plan
Pert will really not like me recommending this
dusky hull
here's some common notation to help you learn:
Q= queen
K = King
B = Bishop
R = Rook
N = Knight (because K is King, dont feel bad if you confuse it at first)
x = captures
- = check
= checkmate
the board is alphanumeric. an example is as follows
Qxf3 = Queen captures on f3 (it does not describe what was captured)
pawns are designated only by the square. so if you were to say the move "f4" that means your pawn has been pushed to f4. if a pawn captured, its whatever file it starts on, such as fxg3 means a pawn that was on the f file took on g3
woeful wolf
But I think the London is a good one to learn early as it’s hard to mess up and offers a (at Lower elo) a strong position
dusky hull
the reason the london is good to learn early is because it is the epitome of foundational concepts
king safety, strong center, developed pieces
woeful wolf
Yep
dusky hull
but all the same, i wouldnt worry about any particular opening rn
just learn how pieces move, develop an understanding for king safety and controlling center
woeful wolf
Agreed, but that’s the first one I would learn once he’s comfortable
dusky hull
yea wouldnt be bad
dusky hull
wtf is that tho
to give you a point of reference, i hover around 2000 rating and i get mollywhopped by 7 and 8. 1-4 i can destroy, 5 is comfortable but sometimes surprising, 6 is challenging, 7 i can barely hold a draw if that, and 8 eviscerates me like im made of wet tissue
woeful wolf
dusky hull
yea level 1 is legit "i dont know how pieces move"
woeful wolf
Nico Carlson here
feral latch
to give you a point of reference, i hover around 2000 rating and i get mollywhop...
fucking 2k???
dusky hull
level 2-3 is where you'll probably be for a bit
feral latch
legit genius
dusky hull
chess com since i dont play nearly as much on there is actually inflated because of how elo gets adjusted quickly on newer accounts
so thats like 2130 or something
i honestly dont know, i havent checked it in awhile
but the 2000ish is on lichess
feral latch
thats like really really high
dusky hull
yea and i get stomped into the fucking ground all the same lmao
cyan elm
how the hell did woodsy beat you then
Built diff
woeful wolf
I think I’m like 1500-1600 on lichess
feral latch
Built diff
true
dusky hull
yea lichess generally will be slightly inflated compared to chess com
woeful wolf
dusky hull
if theres a downside to lichess, its that
no offense to you storm
just saying that lichess elo scale is a bit more forgiving
feral latch
I think I will do some more lvl 1 bots and then go for lvl 2
woeful wolf
Yeh
cyan elm
I managed to hang in it enough that pert made a mistake that was enough to open the door for me
woeful wolf
feral latch
my midgame is just random moves
cyan elm
If you follow the rule of castle by turn 10 it helps as well
feral latch
I usually try to castle as early as possible
dusky hull
just follow the 3 rules i gave you
woeful wolf
If you are up material you should aim to simplify (trade)
dusky hull
you'll never get mated before move 25
dusky hull
well yea thats what happens when you disobey literally every rule i mentioned lol
dusky hull
theres a hilarious levy clip where he explains how this one poor kid got absolutely worked in back to back games by a similar trick
ill try to find it
i bet woodsy knows of it
cyan elm
I’m actually not familiar
woeful wolf
Did you see that pawn checkmate
feral latch
just follow the 3 rules i gave you
But yeah those are the Tipps the lessons gave me too
woeful wolf
I linked the other day pert
feral latch
So I mostly follow that anyway
woeful wolf
This one here @dusky hull #1016899716484706324 message
cyan elm
But yeah those are the Tipps the lessons gave me too
Check out the learn section on lichess for sure
And the puzzles ofc
woeful wolf
Yeh lichess is great for that
feral latch
ok I should go up
cyan elm
Hell ye
He gaming
@dusky hull who do you think the best beginner content creators are
cyan elm
No lemme check now
feral latch
the pic I sent woodsy is fire ngl
feral latch
Nico about to become GM to get to meet the botez sisters
worth
woeful wolf
The worst part about being a GM is when they do the checks for the beads at the door
cyan elm
Best part*
feral latch
tardy finch
how the hell did woodsy beat you then
In my experience, the secret is liver damaging amounts of spirits
dusky hull
<@171682145646018560> who do you think the best beginner content creators are
levy has the best all-encompassing beginner chess video ive seen around youtube. its 35ish mins long and goes every every single basic concept you can think of. pretty hard to find anything that resembles that elsewhere
tardy finch
If I don't know what I'm doing, Pert can't find a counter. Works 5% of the time but better than nothing.
tardy finch
No, dinner with family. Just read chat.
tardy finch
Woodsy has been the only one here not slacking. Not surprised.
tardy finch
I am tempted to challenge you but at the same time it's late for me so I better know my place.
cyan elm
He should’ve been in bed 5h ago
In your bed
feral latch
tardy finch
Oh, ye, Woodsy is in the other direction
dusky hull
if woodsy cant, do you wanna play me instead asiano
i promise i wont blunder like i did with him >:)
dusky hull
dusky hull
not yet, no
just claim center, castle your king
develop your pieces
if you do that, you'll accidentally play an opening
feral latch
yes sir
dusky hull
generally speaking:
first move: central pawn
second move: knight
third move: bishop that was originally blocked by the pawn you moved
this is by no means the required order, but if you do this, you'll already be in good shape
dusky hull
sure. and obviously you must play different moves based on what your opponent does
if you play e4 and they play e5, it might not make too much sense to just go for d4 right away
and thats the general idea behind opening theory. the "best" move in any given position based on how your opponent responds
cyan elm
my first 3 moves in the game against Pert and I do some sort of variation of this literally every game as white
tardy finch
Believe it or not, you can play on par with most people here without knowing the full theory behind a certain opening. Just play principled chess.
dusky hull
right
tardy finch
Also, if your opponent doesn't respond in the center, claim it. Get both pawns there. You are literally given the driver's seat.
feral latch
my first 3 moves in the game against Pert and I do some sort of variation of thi...
yeah thats what I meant double pawn
tardy finch
It's super natural to do and unless you completely ignored your opponent's moves, will likely be good to have.
cyan elm
ye in the actual game I traded cuz I had a weird gameplan in mind but I just could have easily played the other knight to C3 and been happy
tardy finch
Err, pretty sure Nc3 is worse in the long run here.
tardy finch
stockfish actually prefers it
Hmm... I'll look into it tomorrow because unless it's some minor tempo difference, I don't get it
woeful wolf
how the hell did woodsy beat you then
Woodsy uses the baseball bat to the side of the head gambit quite well
feral latch
bold tactic
dusky hull
<:Despairge:974069530907267123>
I love that German for blunder is grobe patzer because patzer in English is
It’s literally the engine calling you shit
Oh my god it gets better
Grobe translates to rough and patzer (German) translates to goof
Grobe patzer loosely translates to a rough fuck up
I love linguistics
cyan elm
do I dare ask what the hippo is
dusky hull
fianchetto both bishops, put all pawns except c and f pawns on the 2nd/7th rank, put both knights in front of king/queen
er sorry
3rd/6th
im kinda high
dusky hull
can do the same set up as white
very little deviation in your play unless they do anti-hippo ideas
dusky hull
Feel free to try this, but don't be disheartened if you don't get it all the way through. White to play and win.
hint 1: ||build a mating net||
hint 2: ||keep making threats that black must respond to||
hint 3: ||zugzwang||
answer: ||1. Kc5. This both builds the mating net by taking away black escape squares, and also preemptively gets out of light square checks if black were to promote f1=Q. White's threat now that black has no escape squares is Bc3# on the next turn. Black must respond with d1=N, knight promotion guarding c3.
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Bf6, same idea, looking for mate on d8. Black must respond with Nc6 protecting the square. Note that Bf4 (looking at d2#) does not work because Nc3 and now regardless how you attack with the bishop, Nab5 will defend the piece and black will survive and win.
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Bg5 now looking for mate on d2. Black doesn't have the same Nc3 resource because the knight that would have defended on b5 is now on c3 from being forced to protect d8 earlier. Blacks best defense is giving up the knight Ne3. Note that the same underpromotion trick of f1=N guarding d2 doesn't work because Bxh4 looking for e1# and black has no more real ways to stall except giving up the all of the knights.
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Bxe3, taking the sacrificed piece, still threatening d2#. Black does the underpromotion f1=N which guards d2, and the reason this line is more resilient is because the promotion comes with tempo on the bishop. This is where hint #2 comes into play.
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Bg5. Yes, the bishop returns to g5. Black is now in zugwang. The king and pawns are unable to move. The bishop is looking both at d2 and at d8, which paralyzes both knights. Black has one more very sneaky resource to try to draw this with Ne3.
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Bf6. We don't take the knight. If we took the knight Bxe3, then black has the self-pin Nb4, inviting white to play Bd2 because it will stalemate. Any other move, such as Bg5 to mate on d8 allows black to play Nd3+ and now after Kc4, black can repeat and draw by 3fold rep. If Kd4 instead, the incredible Nc5, because after Kxc5 its once again stalemate. Feel free to explore that further if you like but every move after Bxe3 leads either to stalemate or to white losing. So in response to Bf6 looking for c3#, black is forced to play either Nd1 or Nd5 (again, sneaky attempt to get white to play Kxd5, which would allow black to get in Kb5 and now black wins).
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Bxh4 either way once again threatening M1 with Be1#. Black is basically out of tricks. Regardless of Nd1 or Nd5 previously, still Nc3 trying to block mate.
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Be1 pinning. Black can do nothing but wait for the end. Nb4 or h4 either way, just wasting a move.
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Bxc3. Black plays whatever of the 2 moves they didn't last turn (either the knight is pinned and the pawn move is the only legal move, or the pawn was moved last turn and black is now in check, and must block with the knight.
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Bxb4#.||
This was a long one. Sorry boys.
feral latch
Wtf 
tardy finch
This might be a bit too advanced for you, so let's break it down.
Assume black didn't move anything ever again? How do you mate? Solve that puzzle and once you have the two moves, consider black knows them and wants to stop them.
That's where the puzzle starts. Both players know the plan but only one can execute it.
Considering how locked everything is, it's a beautiful dance between the bishop and the two pawns on d and f
dusky hull
woeful wolf
Love to see it @dusky hull
Even funnier to me
he queened in that game with check and it made his positon go from -4 to like -22
dusky hull
xd
Here’s an easier tactic I just had in my game than the one I posted earlier. Black to move, mate in 2
void bramble
|| bxg4, bxg4, qf1|| ? I still have no idea about the notation
Also I have a question, if I'm still learning and I find it easier to just take their pieces until they resign, is that bad? Should I be trying harder to checkmate instead of crush them?
tardy finch
Any time you can get the win, you should. That's a given. But if you are into soul sucking, Mr. Pert here can help you out
Personally I like having a grasp over the game, take the advantage in a noticeable way then force my opponent to play into it. Trade pieces, force unpleasant moves but make it obvious that this same advantage is still in play for me.
For example, being up a rook. I'll make sure to remove everything until only the two kings and that rook are on board. Then the only thing left is despair.
dusky hull
Also I have a question, if I'm still learning and I find it easier to just take ...
The less pieces they have on the board, the less of a chance they can create a defensive resource or generate counterplay. If you can’t spot a checkmating pattern but you’re very clearly up material, keep trading.
Eventually they will have so little on the board that certain squares become far too weak to possibly protect
Or you trade into a winning endgame where you can promote and win that way
void bramble
Ok so it's not bad long term to be fine with just trading or taking material then
half hedge
woeful wolf
tardy finch
Okay, who here would bang the knight?
dusky hull
Ok so it's not bad long term to be fine with just trading or taking material the...
ye, definitely fine to trade/take more material*
*as long as it is not part of a sacrifice your opponent is making to get counterplay or force stalemate
but yea if you're winning and you can trade equal pieces, you're just saying to your opponent "i dont need to checkmate you right now. just gonna get your pieces off the board and win in the endgame when my pawns will promote"
void bramble
Makes sense. I just wondered if I was shooting myself in the foot going for the easy thing instead of practicing something that's better for the long term, you know
dusky hull
i mean sure if you can practice it absolutely. but sometimes you can be winning with no clear way to force a mate
void bramble
I'm pretty terrible at figuring out how to force a mate ya
dusky hull
takes experience is all
even anish giri, world ranked #6, claims checkmating patterns are his biggest weakness
its not always easy.
void bramble
I'll get better eventually
dusky hull
hell, if you guys were following the WCC when ding pushed the pawn, it took anish and david howie (another strong gm) like 5 full minutes before they understood that ding was setting up a mating net with a queen sac
its just so very challenging to plan for everything your opponent can do to wriggle away
void bramble
I don't have enough time in the day to watch chess and do all the other things I want to do, so I rarely watch
dusky hull
fair
tardy finch
Shower me with your thoughts
woeful wolf
Hahah it’s a dumb meme someone shared in my guild discord that I can’t post here
woeful wolf
tardy finch
DMs exist
cyan elm
Yes
dusky hull
you just had to get your patented fork in there
void bramble
I'm a forker lately as well
woeful wolf
Ok I got my daily fork in early
woeful wolf
I hope all ruy Lopez players eat shit have a bad day
half hedge
Woah
woeful wolf
half hedge
More like Toxicvine
woeful wolf
dusky hull
@woeful wolf he made this video for you
quote of the entire video: "ive never been so excited to have a lost position"
woeful wolf
More like Toxicvine
Almost flagged myself promoting knights
I was gonna turn all of my pawns into knights til saw the clock
And can’t Premove well on mobile
dusky hull
A short but instructive game on the importance of central control (and a side lesson on why you don’t need to count pawns if you’re the one attacking)
grand idol
https://lichess.org/zgu3qDcT/white
cool game
on 29 yoou could have just forced mate with e8!
i guess its still mate in 30 either way tho so nvm
dusky hull
yea but i dont get to sac my queen that way 
being honest i didnt look for a mating pattern because i saw that taking the queen back would be impossible. my opponent didn't see that, which obv led to mate
half hedge
dusky hull
so last night i played my first ever blindfold chess game... and it was against a 2497 lichess player
i got about 25 moves deep before i blundered tragically
it was a fun experience but god, imagining the board and keeping track of possibilities at the same time is just not a skill i've developed. i was lucky to get out of the opening.
woeful wolf
cyan elm
it was a fun experience but god, imagining the board and keeping track of possib...
It’s an insane skill
dusky hull
after having played just one single game, the time where magnus beat 3 gm's in a simultaneous exhibition while he was literally blindfolded and they could see the board just stands out to me even more now
the guy i played was nice enough about it though. i told him it was my first ever blindfold game and he said i far exceeded his expectations even for a ~2000 player for a first game
so i hope to do it again
although cards on the table, that dude would mollywhop me even if i could see the board
you do not hit 2497 by accident lol
woeful wolf
Magnus is a god gamer
tardy finch
With the position looking like this, I wouldn't have spent much time on the channel anyway. This is 6-7 moves done and white has already lost both central pawns and one knight with only the queen developed to a poor square and nothing else.
This click farming semi-sentient being isn't playing chess, it's playing darts with the pieces hoping one lands on something nice
In the same amount of moves Pert would've given me depression
dusky hull
Bc4 go brr
dusky hull
In the same amount of moves Pert would've given me depression
😦
i move in exactly one week. so in exactly one week +1 days, ill return to chess
I hope you all have been doing well
woeful wolf
I can relate @dusky hull