Ie speed runners cheating runs
#♟️Chess
woeful wolf
tardy finch
Just to drop a few things about Dlugy:
- The guy pretty much became famous for saying that a 2600+ rated player can easily and efficiently cheat with a device without being detected.
- He was removed from chess.com's tournament in a way that pretty much confirmed unfair play but without specifically stating it's cheating as then it's likely going to court.
rigid perch
Didn't he also accuse a guy of cheating with something in his shoes?
tardy finch
Not 100% sure it was Dlugy but you might be right.
rigid perch
I love some clickbaiting titles
https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-shoe-aistant--ivanov-forfeits-at-blagoevgrad-051013 yeah it was him
tardy finch
Yeah, that's the lad
Though to be fair, it was more or less confirmed that the fella was a cheater, he was just never officially caught.
tardy finch
I feel like this has evolved to be a mandatory line in every article nowadays
rigid perch
True
woeful wolf
Just put a pog face and clickbait title
Prime YouTube
You’ll never guess what Hans had up his bum
It was nothing
(Video content )
rigid perch
lol
We had a local youtuber doing a "Niemann did 100% precision against Carlsen" video
woeful wolf
tardy finch
We had a local youtuber doing a "Niemann did 100% precision against Carlsen" vid...
Brazil?
rigid perch
Yeah
grand idol
ayyyy
woeful wolf
Reposting from general ot
The implication in the thread that the extent of the cheating is greater than what was said by Hans is interesting
But I wonder if there’s any facts to it
dusky hull
@sly oak also this. Figured you’d be interested to some level
half hedge
I don't know dudes, I think my stance might be changing on Hans
half hedge
Yeah
grand idol
without evidence its all just speculation
even the online stuff ppl are finding out (like magnus' namedropping of the coach) was already brought up by hans
like I get that there's legal reasons they cant just show everything
but either provide proof or knock it off
or just have a match in a faraday cage while naked
i would watch that
dusky hull
Ok we leaving Niagara Falls up $400 from roulette. Calling it a win. Now for a long ass drive home.
left glade
woeful wolf
sly oak
Ok we leaving Niagara Falls up $400 from roulette. Calling it a win. Now for a l...
Sushi on you 
half hedge
I fucking love sushi
grand idol
wait pert are u in canada
or the states
@dusky hull
last time I went to fallsview I lost 500 lol
woeful wolf
sly oak
Where u live @dusky hull
dusky hull
NY
woeful wolf
dusky hull
Imagine not liking NY
delicate peak
Pretty sure no one dislikes NY more than New Yorkers
woeful wolf
I live in a shithole but at least it’s not NY
woeful wolf
Eh, I live in the better part of the city so it’s a tad pricy
And by the better part I mean two blocks from the bad part
dusky hull
Pretty sure no one dislikes NY more than New Yorkers
Yes but only New Yorkers can insult New York
If you don’t live in New York and you insult New York, fuck off
sly oak
Pretty sure no one dislikes NY more than New Yorkers
idk, i like the state, esp the western part and mountains
the city tho... wouldn't want to live there
grand idol
are you in the city pert
im gonna visit at some point lets go to a chess bar
if that even exists in nyc
in toronto there's a group that does a pub chess night, its a lot of fun
dusky hull
are you in the city pert
No I live in the fucking sticks. It’s very upsetting really. I used to live much closer to the city and would frequent it often.
Kinda miss being that close
Definitely hate living in the woods
dusky hull
Anyone wanna play in 2ish hours when I’m home
cyan elm
woeful wolf
dusky hull
teledildonics
tardy finch
I was surprised to find out this is an actual term
half hedge
Final today
tardy finch
Is it? Thought it was tomorrow
dusky hull
first game back at my computer, nice lil queen sac tactic to either mate or put me in a better position.
youll note that a few times i had the opportunity to win the d pawn (either by trading pieces, or just grabbint it outright) and while that is probably also winning for white because the d pawn is quite important for black, i just wanted to attack his exposed king. https://lichess.org/kCSGZnsX/white#1
half hedge
dusky hull
ah thats a cool one. if you have the back-rank weakness idea in your head, you can probably stumble into the answer eventually.
im always a fan of tactics that have this sort of idea in mind (not backrank weaknesses, but a move like in this position that allows you to exploit the weakness). its a really fancy way of winning games imo
tardy finch
I most definitely got it wrong the first time I looked at it due to being too hasty. But it's definitely a cool idea that requires a mostly unusual approach.
tardy finch
Anyone up for a quick game while I wait for lunch?
woeful wolf
Pheter is scared of pings from this discord
dusky hull
Ah yes goast
woeful wolf
the problem is off topic scarred pheter
dusky hull
Well tell him that he can play me whenever
cyan elm
Ah yes goast
do u mean goatse?
woeful wolf
Ghoatse
dusky hull
@tardy finch on the topic of playing people I don’t know, you brought up some 1800 friend of yours. I’d like to play him too
dusky hull
do u mean goatse?
Bad woodsy 
not in chess thread
tardy finch
Well, we've been trying to arrange a game between each other these days but to no avail, different schedules
But I'll have that in mind
dusky hull
You might surprise him if hes unaware of your current skill
Very good chance you fuck him up based on the games you played against me
tardy finch
Well, last time we played it was a while ago and ended with me backranking him after losing multiple games back to back ... after which he suddenly had work
dusky hull
Lmaoo
tardy finch
So he might want some revenge
dusky hull
I knew someone who would only play me if we played 1+0 and once he lost a game he needed to leave
Like okay then 
tardy finch
Some people are just overly competitive
cyan elm
Did u guys see this
tardy finch
Bans Beadmann drama continues
dusky hull
the whole “without explicit permission from Niemann” is a pretty legal terminology. I wonder if there is an active investigation and/or some discussion between the players that is currently under NDA.
It’s dangerous rhetoric to claim someone is cheating without evidence, but again the position that magnus had against Niemann is improbable to achieve and the fact that he navigated the position so well—something Carlsen might expect from maybe Liren, Caruana, Nepo, or Firouzja—is certainly unexpected from a 2600
At the end of the day though it’s just talking in circles until more info comes out, if ever.
@tardy finch let’s play a game :):)
tardy finch
nah
bed time
Unless you want to fight my other braincell which is still awake
You know what, that might actually be interesting
@dusky hull game
dusky hull
I do like fighting your brain cells
Lemme finish ordering dinner, one sec
@tardy finch
dusky hull
@tardy finch i forgot i cant talk to you in the analysis board
but when you see these messages: if after Qf3 I proceed with h6, you can bring the knight to e4 and its pretty nice there. i still cant capture your bishop because of my rook.
so my best bet is to block the light squares with Nd5 so me capturing your bishop is actually a threat
tardy finch
No worries
dusky hull
and then the game goes on from there
tardy finch
I just put Qf3 down and realized how dirty and efficient it is
dusky hull
its an incredibly resilient move
probably the only move white has to keep play going in that line
tardy finch
Likely
dusky hull
i dont know the fried liver attack by heart so white might have other resources
but yea, Qf3 super nice
tardy finch
Tiger would always snatch the knight
dusky hull
Tiger is a true material grabber
tardy finch
And a bottlecap thief
dusky hull
bottlecaps are in fact material
tardy finch
Wait
tardy finch
so my best bet is to block the light squares with Nd5 so me capturing your bisho...
That is illegal
dusky hull
huh
tardy finch
You hang mate
tardy finch
Oh after
dusky hull
so black plays h6, you run your horsey away, and then Nd5
tardy finch
Ye cool
tardy finch
This was a gun I had not fired in a long time but I'm glad it's now polished
Gn Pert
dusky hull
gngn
cyan elm
the whole “without explicit permission from Niemann” is a pretty legal terminolo...
he probably got sent a cease and desist
dusky hull
you might be right tbh
idk, i dont have a whole lot of chess knowledge and im sure i have even less legal knowledge
so combining the two, i have no idea what goes on
delicate peak
Bit shameful considering the experts over on /r/chess have even less chess knowledge and a similar low amount of legal knowledge
Yet they have it all figured out!
Do better, pert
dusky hull
dusky hull
i bet you as soon as the editor saw "teledildonics" he called the writer over like "hey bro are you sure about this" and the writer gave him the stone-cold stare like "of course i am. why aren't you sure about it."
thats the highlight of that man's writing career right there
dusky hull
although its not exactly how i had hoped chess stay relevant, i do find it fascinating that people entirely out of the loop of the game are still reading about this news/drama
my friend hasnt played a game of chess in his life and even he was like "so chess anal beads, huh"
cyan elm
yeah...
dusky hull
@grand idol agadmator saw the same puzzle you did!
the video is a bit moot since i worked through the solution when you showed it to me, but kinda cool all the same that its the same puzzle
grand idol
half hedge
God I cannot stand Hikaru
dusky hull
yeaaaaaa he's really offputting. I'm assuming he's on the spectrum but his general ttv persona is really just not tolerable imo
his chess play is insane, but as a person im just not interested
half hedge
his stream just infuriates me
delicate peak
He's just weird, I don't think he's on the spectrum, not that I'm a psychiatrist
He's exactly the kind of slightly-weird-but-difficult-to-place that you'd expect from a 2800 chess player
But he's an insanely good streamer, like just in terms of raw content generation/community engaging machine
He's in a completely different mode when streaming
dusky hull
ya i mean props to anyone who can successfully do that, and obviously he has leveraged his career as a chess player into a career as streamer, which clearly is not easy.
still dont like him
tardy finch
Imagine being black in this position. You play the scandinavian, you decide to be super aggressive and go for the check and follow up with a bishop attack.
Then you resign to a fucking pawn being moved
dusky hull
yea idk people are weird. ive noticed people resign in some very peculiar spots, likely because its online and they dont care. In that position, white is probably better but its not like black is losing or anything.
(also for the record after Bg4, you have d4, and if Bxe2, you just recapture with the G knight and you're doing good as white)
dusky hull
If we haven't had enough of the Carlsen-Niemann drama, there's a side plot to this that is worth exploring. Fabiano Caruana (for those who dont know, previous world #2 and world championship challenger before Nepo) had a really interesting take:
Fabiano Caruana and Maurice Ashley joined the C-squared podcast tonight speaking live about the official statement by Magnus Carlsen. Carlsen said that he believes Niemann has cheated more than he publicly admitted, adding that cheating is an existential threat to the game. Fabiano Caruana agreed: “I think undoubtedly it’s a threat to the entire nature of the game and it’s been like that for a while, but we are only now really getting into it publicly, while it stayed behind the scenes for quite some while. It seems Magnus has concerns not only about online chess, but also over-the-board chess. And we didn’t think of that as much, because we thought maybe it’s not so easy. People tried, they went into the bathroom with their phones, and usually they get caught. I think the realization now is that with the technology, it is possible to cheat while sitting on the board potentially. And that’s the worry“, added Fabiano.
He also said in this article I'm quoting from that the software currently used to evaluate whether or not someone is cheating is unreliable at best. The leading methods are designed by this Computer Science professor out of a New York college named Ken Regan who happens to also be an IM. And the current analysis of the games--by the Regan methods--conclude that Niemann did not cheat.
This is the final excerpt that I'll mention, but Caruana addresses the larger issue by saying this. “I would take Regan’s analysis with the large grain of salt, and the reason why is not because I have any insight into his algorithm or his methods, but because I know of a case of, a very high profile case, where with absolute certainty I can say that someone was cheating in an important event. And the person was investigated and was also exonerated based on Regan’s analysis. And I am certain that there was cheating. There is no doubt in my mind that this person was cheating and they got away with it.“.
So like even if you don't care about the drama between Carlsen and Niemann specifically, this does start to begin the talks about how to better catch cheaters and what the bar should be
tardy finch
Anyone wanna mess around in chess?
dusky hull
Anyone wanna mess around in chess?
If the offer is still extended, I can play in 30 minutes
tardy finch
It is now.
half hedge
Queen to A8?
grand idol
Qb8, what then?
half hedge
But you can't because it's checkmate right
tardy finch
Can anyone follow that up or only Pudgy can finish that line?
dusky hull
Looks like pudgy is right for the first move. If I’m correct, then ||Qa8+ Qb8, Qc6+ dxc6, d7#||
Queen geometry puzzles are fun
Good puzzle @grand idol :)
dusky hull
i should show you some of the puzzles i have to figure out that keep me stuck for awhile
grand idol
yeah ive done lichess training
dusky hull
ill even give you that Qxe6 is the first move
so keep going from there
so like if im ranking the difficulty of the 4 moves
- pretty easy
- hmm, not terrible but not my first thought
- ayo what the fuck
- i hate existing
grand idol
ok i got move 2
and then was like what do i do
but looking at it with an engine I get why u do the last 2
grand idol
yeah
grand idol
what rank is this
dusky hull
2700ish
tardy finch
<@106556161913802752> good luck lol
https://lichess.org/training/FaN22
Played by 1600 players
Jesus, what do they feed kids these days
dusky hull
they recently added a whole bunch of new ones for the higher puzzle rating level
so youll occasionally see puzzles played by like 16 people or something
its stupid
tardy finch
I once got those type of puzzles on chess.com and it was the first time I climbed to 1800 and beyond
Which was mostly because since so few people solved them, it considered me a GM or something for being one of the first
Then I proceeded to tank 300 points before getting back in there 
cyan elm
tardy finch
Anyone want to play chess?
dusky hull
me: why do i have these crazy good games one minute and the next I'm blundering my queen on move 7
coach: welcome to being a chess player, where you're never really sure if you're good or not
tardy finch
Well I'm a chess player and I'm sure you can kick my ass
tardy finch
I don't believe it
dusky hull
Black to move, mate in 4 (technically mate in 5, as white can stall for a turn, but your sequence is largely unchanged)
@grand idol you’ll like this one
grand idol
oh god
ok this might not be mate
but I can see Rc3
and you cant take because then NEf3+
ok, well if NEf3+, gxf3, Qxf3, and then u bring bishp to h3 and win
but if he doesnt take with the pawn and just moves king to h1
idk how to continue
dusky hull
Solid ideas. One of the things I had to learn was how important move order can be. Sometimes if things don’t work the first time, changing move orders around can lead to a winning combination.
So try to lead with the an immediate threat and see how the move order change affects the sequence
grand idol
ok how about bh3
and if they take with pawn
you move qf3 threatening mate
and if the dont (like if they take your rook on e8)
then you nef3+ and if he takes with pawn u move queen to f3
and if he doesnt u bg2#
I cant see anything white can do
ok I just looked it up
so if u bh3 they just move the pawn forward
u gotta lead with the queen
fuck i almost had it
you were right it was just ordering
dusky hull
ive thought about this puzzle for like
an hour and a half
and the best i can come up with is a draw
so if there's a win here, please tell me @grand idol
grand idol
yeah its just to draw
lol
I was gonna say white to move and not lose
but i thought that would give it away
its || king to h1 ||
tardy finch
white to move
I can't put my finger on who it was but I'm sure a week ago I watched some guy get this exact position and was super happy he was getting the queens off the board then it hit him that this is instead a God tier stalemate trap
tardy finch
I really liked today's puzzle on chess.com so going to share it here. I'm intentionally not going to say what the aim is besides winning material because otherwise the solution would be too obvious.
The challenge rather is seeing how one specific move differs from the rest.
For the impatient ones, check the spoiler below:
||You can trap the queen||
woeful wolf
Whose turn is it to move
tardy finch
Black
cyan elm
||c6?||
tardy finch
Woodsy got it
cyan elm
dusky hull
yea i mena
he publicly stated he cheated in online things. and i know the report says "beyond what he publicly admitted" but I don't think this is new information
especially since WSJ admits this has no backing for inperson games
what is interesting, though, is the presumed strength improvement. Hans has the most radical improvement across a massive variety of strong players, including Bobby Fischer himself.
and when you couple that with the allegations and the evidence of his online cheating, this doesn't look great
tardy finch
Problem remains the same - proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that Hans in fact has cheated at events where he says he's played fair games.
And since doing that retrospectively is nearly impossible, someone would have to catch him red handed.
dusky hull
yea well that probably wont happen
i really dont think any of this will amount to more than hearsay
tardy finch
That's where you are wrong, sir. All this talk - as preposterous as it is - is absolutely going to amount to something much greater than hearsay and that would happen to be memes.
dusky hull
dusky hull
this was such a cool game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gean0kk1bo4
cyan elm
dusky hull
these memes are getting out of hand lol
cyan elm
idk if anyone can top that one lmao
left glade
dusky hull
today's puzzle is an excellent test of your calculating abilities. at the time i completed it, it was rated 2041 (it will likely drop, as most daily puzzles do)
tardy finch
I solved it but I'll admit, I would 100% fall into stalemate in that one
tardy finch
Got a link for us?
half hedge
No idea, I did it on my phone app
Also had to rush the end as it was my turn in the Q..
tardy finch
Well, phone app is still your profile ...
uhh... 15 blunders is a bit
half hedge
tardy finch
Wake up, check messages, see 15 people going apeshit over Hans getting scanned for beads
What a start to the day
cyan elm
Wake up, check messages, see 15 people going apeshit over Hans getting scanned f...
wait did he actually
tardy finch
Ye
Apparently there is a video on Saint Louis Chess Club but I'm not going to search for it. It's stupid.
dusky hull
cyan elm
getting out of hand now
sly oak
left glade
dusky hull
“How on earth did they check, mate?” is the real winner of that cover
Bravo, Daily Star
grand idol
r/anarchychess must be having such a good time
they literally started the whole anal beads thing
I wonder who it was that made the post
anyone wanna play a game?
before I finish work
tardy finch
I can play a game in bed
Went out for dinner, went better than expected, now I can't sleep
half hedge
do you mean expected
half hedge
Not at the particular time, My mental is pretty bad so i don't think i'd be able to think straight
so i'd play like normal 
tardy finch
Then I can play something that would catch you off guard so you can learn to fight against it
tardy finch
Also a possibility
Then again, it's also possible that if I play some obscure trap line, you don't fall into it and win
cyan elm
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/xx72ut/butt_plug_gambit_accepted/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf @dusky hull now it’s really getting out of hand
dusky hull
this has to stop lol
delicate peak
Did you guys see Yoo's performance today
Literally Niemann-Magnus level upset
He (2563) beat Wesley (2774, reigning us champion) with the black pieces
rigid perch
I'm missing the tournament 
tardy finch
Anyone here fancy a game of non-bead chess?
woeful wolf
Sorry I got beads in today
grand idol
He (2563) beat Wesley (2774, reigning us champion) with the black pieces
waiting for the chess.com post about yoo
dusky hull
Anyone here fancy a game of non-bead chess?
still around
tardy finch
Who summons me
dusky hull
game or two in 5 mins?
tardy finch
Lord have mercy
dusky hull
that last game was really spicy though
much enjoyed
more than the queen sac, did you appreciate how i forced the dark square weaknesses with Qd5 and then back to Qd4
oh
wow
the e pawn was just free
fucking duh
i shouldve just taken that
ok so when i queen sacced it was the second best move
ill take it
keeping my queen on the board and controlling space in front of your king was probably more ideal
so Qa5 was recommended
@tardy finch super fun game though. ggs
for anyone who wants to see the queen sac that I'm referencing: https://lichess.org/QXXa1Y4K/white#1
tardy finch
Fuck it, I want a rematch
dusky hull
ill do one more but im gonna nap afterwards
tardy finch
??
dusky hull
oh mine went to depth 30
tardy finch
We'll call it a draw
dusky hull
yea theres no way im winning that unless you make an egregious mistake
i can tell you confidently i do not have a plan
and trading only helps you
tardy finch
Which I would
Trading in that specific position doesn't, you'd get your rook where you want it
dusky hull
no i mean like
me
me trading
not you
if you trade then yes
bad for you
but if i trade then bad for me
tardy finch
Thing is, no way I can outsmart you in an endgame where I have to play two knights vs knight+rook when you consider that you for sure have hundreds of times more experience with a rook in the endgame compared to me with no rooks
dusky hull
i mean maybe but all the same your 2 connected past pawns are scary
and you have an outside h pawn which my king would probably have to babysit
meanwhile you can blockade my c pawn essentially for free since knights can defend each other
tardy finch
Ya but same goes for my king. And I can't hide behind that pawn at all so it's free checks and movement control for you
dusky hull
yea i mean both sides get some pros and cons
which is why i think it would be a draw for 99.999% of players
maybe some gm's can convert it but i sure as hell cant
dusky hull
if you didnt trade in the middle game i was getting smothered
my position was so fuckin cramped
tardy finch
That was kind of the thing I wanted to test
It seems I might have located a weakness but I can't fucking exploit it
dusky hull
right around move 26 or 27 is when you traded by your king after i pushed g4
if you dont trade and allow my pieces space, again, its so hard for me to find a move
f3 kicking my bishop all the way back to its starting square
and you slowly start to encroach on me. holding everything together wouldve been just supernatural
moves i really liked from your end:
a4 replying to my a6, not allowing me to get b5 in
h3 right after a4, limiting my bishop and knight
Qd7 attacking the core of my position
tardy finch
And yet, I felt paralyzed as those moves felt rather forced.
dusky hull
its not like you dont have the ideas. i think you're just too eager to trade. once you stop trading for no reason, you're gonna find that all that encroaching will suffocate your opponent and a mistake--forced or not--will appear
you really had my back against the ropes i can tell you that much
tardy finch
One day, Pert ... one day ...
dusky hull
you're getting dangerously close lol
tardy finch
I may be but I'm still unarmed
dusky hull
i mean you've drawn against me several times including this last one where im not really counting your concession as defeat
because in a real game theres no way im winning that endgame
it just takes one mistake on my end that you can capitalize on for you to get that W
grand idol
ok so prefacing that im dogshit, this was a game that I blundered my rook almost immediately and ended up saccing a ton of pieces to win. felt super good
https://lichess.org/K2A0vJ4M/white#0
dusky hull
if that isnt just a perfect lesson in the importance of king safety, idk what is
good rebound
tardy finch
Play a game, feel really good about it, closed off choking position. Get the win, check analysis - 7 blunders and 1 missed win 
dusky hull
Things happen
tardy finch
Anyone up for a game?
dusky hull
My coach canceled my lesson so I will be free for chess if anyone wants to chess
tardy finch
I'm at mana devourer, up to you
dusky hull
Idk what that is but good
tardy finch
Upper kara, now done
@dusky hull https://lichess.org/ByZQrW9F
I have a new weapon for you. It's called "I have no idea what I'm doing"
tardy finch
What did you get
dusky hull
diabetes, likely
tardy finch
You could get that in the Balkans without even knowing what McDonalds is
dusky hull
asiano beat me today :)
(dont tag him, he is sleeping)
tardy finch
Pert is lying
left glade
Ye you're not sleeping 
tardy finch
Pert is telling lies, note plural
dusky hull
here's a really cool one. White to move and win.
@grand idol you love puzzles so give it a shot
aw dal left the thread :(
grand idol
i got this one, || king up to f6, then bd5 -> bf7||
you lock out the rook
am I right?
or is that too slow
dusky hull
||Kf6 is also winning, but bd5 runs into e4. if you capture with bishop, black sacs the rook and gets a passed d pawn (losing). if you capture with pawn, black has a really cool stalemate||
so you could still try ||Kf6|| but the continuation is hard to spot
there is also a completely different and possibly cooler way to win
ill put both ways to win in the following spoiler
grand idol
|| well bd5 is possibly check, unless they moved Kf8 (otherwise u take rook). and if they moved king f8 the. bd7 sets up for f7# ||
only thing they can do is trade
dusky hull
they would move Kf8
you'd need to find the continuation after that if you go that route
dusky hull
either im not following or i think you're off by one tempo
writing it all out Kf6 Kf8
Bd5 ..?
dusky hull
e4 lol
like i said e4 is why you cant play Bd5
because then it either leads to a stalemate/forced draw or it leads to a loss for white if white misplays
dusky hull
so yea the thing about Kf6 is that it will eventually lead to the idea you have to find anyway if black plays perfectly. so while it is winning, its only winning if you spot the idea that you can execute in this position anyway
so Kf6 is technically winning but really its just testing to see if black replies correctly or not. and if they do, then you have to win the other way anyway
and that other way is ||the spectacular Bxb7 which makes white go from down an exchange to down a full rook. Black takes back Rxb7, but now the white king has infiltrated. Kxe5, best for black is Kg7. Kd6 Kxg6, Kxc5 and now it doesnt matter what black does. White will grab the d pawn as well, and the 3 connected passed pawns will be enough to convert against the lone rook||
dusky hull
to elaborate a bit more on Kf6 and why its still winning even if you dont really make any progress, it is because ||black is in total zugzwang. there's no way for black to do anything except wait to see what white does. Kf6 can lead to a lot of movement, but ultimately the black king will be able to stop the white king from doing much. that's why you have to find Bxb7||
grand idol
thanks for the explanation
I guess I wrote off || bxb7 || cause it seemed bad to give up a bishop for nothing
dusky hull
right, but then you see ||the pawns marching|| and you see its not for nothing
chess is cool 
half hedge
@dusky hull do you like duck chess?
dusky hull
It’s not something I’ve played but it seemed interesting enough. I’m sure the duck mechanic can prove to be incredibly valuable for a quick defense or even a mating attack to limit an escape square
half hedge
it's fun
dusky hull
Only thing is I think it could be quite annoying for the purposes of development. For example, white can entirely avoid certain theory after playing e4 by placing the duck on e5. So the power of having the first move might be slightly more potent than it is already
tardy finch
Doesn't matter if neither player knows opening theory
dusky hull
when the thread is inactive for like 24h i think it vanishes even if you're in it
and it becomes visible again once someone types
or then it gets archived
if no one does
dusky hull
also nice
cyan elm
Science never lies
tardy finch
Weakness disgusts me
rigid perch
Maybe it hurts because he lacks experience
tardy finch
Let him train, he'll master the buttplug.
I'm curious what people will come up with next.. maybe Hans has super hearing and gets help from outside the building from someone whispering near an open window.
And the reason Hans has lost games is because there were stray cats fighting at the time so there was too much noise.
delicate peak
what the FUCK
happened
in the CGC today
oh my god
Nepo vs Radjabov
Ding vs Nihal Sarin
||both matches went 2.5-0.5, and not with the winning player you expected in either of them||
tardy finch
They had good gaming chairs, I guess
rigid perch
||both matches went 2.5-0.5, and not with the winning player you expected in eit...
I'm guessing Radja and Nihal won?
delicate peak
||y||
dusky hull
Can’t underestimate radjabov. He qualified for contenders for a reason
tardy finch
To be fair, it's not the first time Radjabov beats Nepo
Maybe it's just his thing like with Ding and Magnus
cyan elm
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/59381969567?tab=analysis cool game I missed a few pog moves
see if u can see what I didn't
tardy finch
Honestly, missing Ne7 and Rf8 was a little bit of a letdown but Bd3 more than makes up for it.
If I'm white here, I'm throwing away the computer/phone and going to a monastery that has never heard of chess.
cyan elm
Honestly, missing Ne7 and Rf8 was a little bit of a letdown but Bd3 more than ma...
I was very proud of that bishop move haha
the old danger levels from ma boi gothamchess
cyan elm
the old danger levels from ma boi gothamchess
well danger levels is what set up the fork
tardy finch
White clearly didn't understand the point of trading bishop and knight for the rook. Rather, just saw it somewhere and did it then ended up with two rooks doing nothing and an afk bishop. You did well using your piece advantage to get control of the position (let's pretend you didn't hang perpetual, white didn't see it anyway)
cyan elm
White clearly didn't understand the point of trading bishop and knight for the r...
Yeah a lot of people at this elo who play this opening will go for it strangely
tardy finch
It makes sense only if you can follow up the attack and even then it's not optimal
It's better to keep your pieces with just the idea of attacking the weak square but without committing to it until ready.
As Aaron Nimzowitsch has said "The threat is often stronger than the execution."
dusky hull
nice game woodso
cyan elm
nice game woodso
dusky hull
Every Line of the Englund Gambit is Bad, Please Stop Playing This Opening: Episode #214
tardy finch
I love how it's +3 by move 7
dusky hull
this was a dope game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zkbaJkinl0
tardy finch
I too have sacrificed everything
grand idol
this was a dope game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zkbaJkinl0
crazy
tardy finch
Pert's asleep, post chess puzzles
rigid perch
this was a dope game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zkbaJkinl0
Watched an analysis of this, it was amazing
Shak's been on fire on some matches
dusky hull
He’s a fierce player. Even though the chess world is largely infatuated with the champion, the challenger, and the prodigies, the old heads like shak, vishy, and Ivanchuk are just so fuckin cool to watch
It’s attacks like these that show why Tal was such a monster. Take your opponent into a deep, dark forest where there’s no hope for them to defend.
Maybe not necessarily this particular game, but it is games like this that also display how making engine moves isn’t necessarily the best idea. Objectively best moves are sometimes less useful than objectively worse moves if you can complicate the board. Your opponent is not an engine.
So don’t be afraid to sac the exchange, give up a pawn, or straight up sac a piece if it means you can make the board chaotic; the onus is on your opponent to properly defend.
@tardy finch our French game comes to mind :)
tardy finch
That one can't ever be topped
dusky hull
yea its probably the best draw ive ever had tbh
very fun game
i wanna play good chess, but im not good at chess. do you see the issue 
tardy finch
Shak's been on fire on some matches
Wait until you see his game with Rapport.
tardy finch
Here is a fun one. Shut up, Pert. Black is keeping control over white's passers and can try to force the white king away from the center with the bishop on the next move, therefore creating a big promotion threat.
However, this position is winning for white. What is the winning move and why?
dusky hull
Here is a fun one. Shut up, Pert. Black is keeping control over white's passers ...
also i could be wrong but i see two solutions
i mean one is clearly better if you can spot it, but both should work
dusky hull
do you (or anyone) wanna play rn
im working off of 5 hours of sleep and 2 cups of coffee so i actually have energy for once in my old age
tardy finch
woeful wolf
Here is a fun one. Shut up, Pert. Black is keeping control over white's passers ...
||the best move looks on paper to be Re2 which could lead to trading for the bishop/rook from black which could allow for a nearly surefire qeen from c6. This seems too straightfoward?||
so I am pretty sure im dumb and wrong
tardy finch
||the best move looks on paper to be Re2 which could lead to trading for the bis...
||Surprisingly, even if straightforward, that is the move. In addition, if black makes the mistake of going to d5, you also win the enemy rook and just steamroll to victory.||
woeful wolf
I was looking at it at work earlier and it looked too straightfoward
so i had to take a look at home
cyan elm
||read if small cock||
tardy finch
That's what I liked about this position - it's actually incredibly simple. So much, you actually doubt whether the move in question would be the one. Psychology is something.
tardy finch
||read if small cock||
dusky hull
||you can also just capture the bishop with the pawn. although not as strong as Re2+, its definitely still winning for white||
tardy finch
||While true, it is a winning position, Rc5+ is a tricky move which can lead to a drawish position if white doesn't play the endgame optimally. Which, if not noticeable by the bishop capture in the picture, is the case. Kb2 and Kd2 both block the rook which gives black enough time to regain control, Kb3 while not so bad, does not in fact challenge the position in a dangerous way. In fact, while all of these moves are winning according to analysis, that is with perfect play therefore in practice leading us to Kb4 being the only one forcing the win||
Why are you two still not playing, I ran out of popcorn
And cba going to the shop at 11pm
dusky hull
im ready whenever mr leo is
tardy finch
I just want to see a mad attacking game
Mamedyarov is no longer enough, I need to see the real shit
dusky hull
fatleonard 
chonky lion 
dusky hull
give me like 10 mins
ping when ready. also give me a heads up if there's an opening/line you want to explore.
grand idol
thanks 
dusky hull
@tardy finch are you even watching
dusky hull
i can use enough context clues to understand "i dislike your"
but idk what ouverture is
dusky hull
yea
makes sense
i did it honestly becuase you said you wanted to see an attacking game
so i was like
bet
i guess i shouldve been able to 2+2 that tbh
given my understanding + the choice of language
but whatever. intellectual fallacies aside.
tardy finch
One of the reasons I adopted the Reti
dusky hull
!!!!!!
grand idol
I got greedy
grand idol
idc
tardy finch
What truly amazes me about Pert's openings sometimes is how he can pull something completely out of his ass and it's actually a legit opening I've never seen
dusky hull
i missed that take
ah ok i was very confused
tardy finch
cyan elm
play the reti you australian bastard
Why
dusky hull
because i really think youd like it tbh
cyan elm
Understandable have a nice day
tardy finch
So you don't play the London which our friend here dislikes
dusky hull
its so boring
if your strategy is to bore your opponent to death, then sure play the london or the french exchange
no but honestly play whatever makes you happy ||except the englund||
cyan elm
no but honestly play whatever makes you happy ||except the englund||
what about the bongcloud
dusky hull
sure
extra points if you beat me with the bongcloud
oh
right
there's a hole there
@grand idol i h8u
cyan elm
no but honestly play whatever makes you happy ||except the englund||
been inspired by anarchy chess and I think I'm gonna adopt the Australian opening where u turn your rooks upside down and start the game with 3 queens
tardy finch
extra points if you beat me with the bongcloud
grand idol
haha
dusky hull
maybe i just play better because im terrified of you
tardy finch
How are you terrified of me
dusky hull
youve pulled some moves out of your ass that have shaken me to my core
tardy finch
My ass is a GM, I'm not
dusky hull
been inspired by anarchy chess and I think I'm gonna adopt the Australian openin...
i legit have no idea what that is
so yea
do it
cyan elm
gonna go look into Reti opening now
tardy finch
Woodsy studying
dusky hull
theres a lot of variations from black, but the important thing from white is develop king knight, fianchetto lsb, castle
cyan elm
what about the Remi
dusky hull
ask the same question 14 times and then dont play chess anymore
cyan elm
Woodsy studying <:POGGA:752673749555216464>
I should study more I'll get into the mood for it and then spend anywhere from a few days to a few weeks really getting into it and then I won't touch it again for months lol
its why I play a lot of London it was the last thing I studied before I took hiatus from chess
dusky hull
understandable
are you almost back from your hiatus
how much should i ping you in this channel
like i ping asiano the most
i keep trying to ping niarcus and skudde but they hate me
cyan elm
as much as you would like as I am slowly getting back into it again yeah played a few games the other day and now I'm like ah fuck we're down this rabbit hole again
cyan elm
its why I play a lot of London it was the last thing I studied before I took hia...
also it was lessons by Simon Williams so it was incredibly entertaining and therefore stuck even better
dusky hull
ye i know you like him
i still will never turn my back on yasser
any opening yasser talks about, ill listen
oh
right
cyan elm
I like lots of chess personalities and gms tbf
grand idol
HSADSAHDSAHD
dusky hull
xd
tardy finch
God dayum
dusky hull
honestly it was a good attempt going after the h3 pawn
legit forgot my g pawn was pinned
sorry
cat
one sec
tardy finch
I still find it beautiful how both players had access to mate in one at the end.
It was just Pert's move.
grand idol
gimme 2 mins bathroom
grand idol
back
grand idol
ill wait for the asiano react
dusky hull
HURRY ASIANO
dusky hull
ok here we go
grand idol
dusky hull
im not entirely sure why you gave up the bishop, but maybe you just decided it was useless where it was so better to get a pawn out of it than nothing?
if that was your thought, maybe rerouting it to e2 wouldve been better
dusky hull
ye unless you have an attack here its probably not great for white
tardy finch
Even if it's not great for white, I have a talent and see a way for black to throw the game
dusky hull
Ngl I’m kinda cheating
He’s giving me the moves
or i guess the meowves
sorry was that a stretch
tardy finch
I can confirm that cats are sometimes good coaches
grand idol
bleh
dusky hull
if it makes you feel any better
i was like
.726 seconds away from giving you mate in 1
dusky hull
i was like "surely h3 isnt a threat"
grand idol
i feel like something there
dusky hull
and then it was
dusky hull
@cyan elm asiano picked my opening last time, so pick for me this time as white
english
queens pawn
reti
kings pawn
tardy finch
@grand idol hit him with d5 either way
dusky hull
woodsy lettin us all down with the slow replies
bouta just play e4 if he doesnt say something soon
dusky hull
i think its too forced as white
cyan elm
and send me link
cyan elm
madge
dusky hull
went into some weird ruy lopez
tardy finch
said jonto
tardy finch
My man playing a modern immortal
dusky hull
problem for him is Qg5 is not an option
if Qg5 was a threat, then yea, id be in pretty big trouble
which, if you understand that Qg5 is the main threat, you'd then understand why i played Nd2, so even if he sacs the rook, i can just capture back with the other knight
cant move knight because of mate threat on h2, so kicking away his knight is forced
(i can stop narrating if this is pretentious)
tardy finch
Which in turn forces the knight exchange
tardy finch
Pert not allowed to check spoiler
||Bg5 is lights out||
Mr. Pert, did you in fact check the spoiler?
dusky hull
all i need to do now is control knight squares and control f file
no
and now that my king is nice and happy, i just use my material advantage to target squares
i have a forced simplification now
tardy finch
You had forced mate btw
dusky hull
o
grand idol
GG
dusky hull
the sac was a good attempt, but you have to be aware of the f3 knight
i can do as many as you want
im free from work now
tardy finch
Okay, not, my bad
grand idol
I think my knight was too far out
dusky hull
yea that didnt help
grand idol
ya 😦
dusky hull
ok well i played c5 last time
so ill do c6 this time
you gotta stop fianchettoing all the time haha
tardy finch
How does one leave analysis on this site
dusky hull
tardy finch
Thank you but my question remains
dusky hull
you played a3
tardy finch
I referred to you hanging mate but you took it back
dusky hull
gg my friend
grand idol
thanks for letting me have some takebacks there, idk I was fumbling there
dusky hull
we're just doing casuals, takebacks are totally fine all the time
woeful wolf
Do..Do you wanna go out with him pert?
grand idol
so our first game
tardy finch
Ruined the bromance
grand idol
i forget the exact
dusky hull
is there a link to it
woeful wolf
Ruined the bromance
its what we were hoping for
tardy finch
dusky hull
the whole point of getting your bishop there is to have it on that diagonal
so from a human practical perspective, nothing wrong with Bb3
grand idol
ok great
dusky hull
the difference between Bb3 and Be2 is like .1 or .2
grand idol
thats good enough for me
tardy finch
First real problem for you in that game was not occupying c3 with your knight and instead going for d2
dusky hull
yea it seems innocuous, but the difference is substantial
the reason being that if your knight was on c3, then you can recapture on e2 with the c3 knight instead of your king
as soon as your king is on e2, you have big problems
grand idol
yeah
tardy finch
It's actually a key move in the bongcloud opening 
dusky hull
but overall fun games. the attacking one you had was pretty fun as well. it just happens that ive encountered players trying that before and Qg5 is almost always the main idea
so if you can prevent the queen from landing there, you're fairly ok
grand idol
I think before I move out the queen I had to move h3
dusky hull
yea not sure
grand idol
cause without it knight backed bishop made me lose tempo and then I couldn't castle
dusky hull
i just know my knight on f3 is literally bae
grand idol
idk why i like Kd2
tardy finch
Nd2, bet
dusky hull
because if you like kd2, you're a madman
grand idol
oh
dusky hull
and i stan it
tardy finch
Knight starts with K, oK?
woeful wolf
Night, Nite, Knight right?
tardy finch
knite
dusky hull
i have a really dumb way that i remember its N for knight
horses are the bringers of the apocalypse, which is eternal Night
tardy finch
Sir, we usually suffer more from our rulers than nature causes
tardy finch
It's generally a more flexible move
grand idol
horses are the bringers of the apocalypse, which is eternal *N*ight
thats so dumb I love it
tardy finch
Another thing is, let's assume you never got attacked. Just a free move. Where does the knight go from d2?
tardy finch
Out of 6 possible positions, 2 are taken, 2 are getting wrecked by a pawn, one is going back to the same place and the final one just obstructs castling.
dusky hull
anyone else for some gaymes
tardy finch
yep
And your queen is already on f3 so you need to clear that first so the knight is essentially just a slow move
grand idol
ya i def need to think better about where they are going
I knew I wanted to move queen out to castle
dusky hull
@fierce oyster do you play chess or are you here to just say hi from time to time
tardy finch
He might as well be
dusky hull
he theorycrafts how to BM in wow and how to BM people in chess
tardy finch
Bongcloud Master
fierce oyster
<@238745703843758083> do you play chess or are you here to just say hi from time...
just to say hi
dusky hull
anyone else for some gaymes
going once, going twice
fierce oyster
@wicked trout plays chess
tardy finch
I can do one at most, Pert but I am sleepy af