Pants of Exile

[mossy moss]

you equip the gem and blast

[sly sentinel]

o its good early?

[mossy moss]

yes

very

[sly sentinel]

might just level as pconc instead of helix then, it's pretty similar isn't it?

[royal ermine]

Yea I wanna check the playstyle

[mossy moss]

difference is you dont need to update weapon with pconc

but you lose whirling blades

gotta use shield charge

[sly sentinel]

[bronze terrace]

Pconc leveling is pretty sick

[sly sentinel]

oh it only uses a shield

interesting

[royal ermine]

Men I wanna go home

And game

https://youtu.be/GGnpVhm-8dU

[sly sentinel]

that skill got nerfed

like today

[royal ermine]

Ye

Any bets it will be garbage

[sly sentinel]

there's a pconc guide on maxroll

https://poe.maxroll.gg/build-guides/poisonous-concoction-pathfinder-league-starter-guide

[royal ermine]

Ya

[sly sentinel]

tbf poison conc looks better for me than helix, they both use plague bearer anyway

might just level and play that until the SA reroll

[bronze terrace]

after it got buffed insanely

its still stronger than what they announced

[sly sentinel]

no one knows how it'll play tho

it's a weird skill

[bronze terrace]

yeah will feel clunky i think

[sly sentinel]

ye fk it, pconc looks way better than helix

gameplay wise

im just gonna follow this maxroll guide like a slave

turn my brain off

it even has notes for every act

maybe a bit too much text tho, as i mostly care about the gem swaps

[royal ermine]

Same

Then prove to shuddie I'm not a noob

I have 3k hours

I'm.a vetwran

[mossy moss]

[royal ermine]

Sikte

I'm a God gamer

[sly sentinel]

dabbi is a pathological liar

[mossy moss]

no..

[sly sentinel]

do you need any other upgrades when leveling pconc than getting new life flasks?

rest of gear is just life + resist?

[mossy moss]

yep

[bronze terrace]

its real comfy

[sly sentinel]

nice

[mossy moss]

just stay on top of the life flasks

[bronze terrace]

but tbf helix leveling is fine too

[sly sentinel]

yeah im not going pconc cuz helix is bad

i just like being able to throw shit more than the helix gameplay

i would have liked helix more if it acted like BV and stayed on you, but at that point it's basically just BV

[royal ermine]

What

@sly sentinel u lied to me

[bronze terrace]

fair

[soft barn]

I have no idea

Never played it

[sly sentinel]

im starting pconc

enlighten me

[soft barn]

Its good

Play it

My leveling prac yesterday for it was night and day as soon as i put the skill on

I think you need a little aoe as soon as you go to 5 proj

[bronze terrace]

Sad

[sly sentinel]

https://poe.maxroll.gg/build-guides/poisonous-concoction-pathfinder-league-starter-guide

[bronze terrace]

I like the maxroll guides

[royal ermine]

Hope.more creator goes there

Such a good site

[turbid vale]

What level is pconc again

Maybe I do it as well

[mossy moss]

12 i think

[wind rain]

yeah when you eventually got to sirus, 3 weeks after league start when everyone had already been farming it for weeks

[royal ermine]

Lies

I was killing sirus while.playing ff

That's how good.it was

[sacred lily]

probably too much effort for 99% of guide creators

[royal ermine]

Hikas build are bought from empy

Cause he is a sim0

[royal ermine]

Probly

[sacred lily]

why write a guide when you can record a scoured t6 map about how hard you're popping off

[royal ermine]

Ye

[bronze terrace]

also why tf is my poe capped at 60 fps

just logged on my last scourge char and I am only rocking a single scourged item good mechanic

[mossy moss]

[bronze terrace]

why is it only 60 fps

[mossy moss]

do you have a second monitor thats only 60hz

[bronze terrace]

atm yes actually

[mossy moss]

its proly fucking with the game somehow

[bronze terrace]

didnt change when turning it off tho

[royal ermine]

Bish

I

Talked to girl today

O.o

[bronze terrace]

ok and did she tell you how I can uncap my fps?

ok switching from dx12 to dx11 uncapped it

dx11 runs like shit tho so I guess I have to keep dx12 with 60 fps

[sly sentinel]

i use vulkan

[bronze terrace]

you cap fps?

[sly sentinel]

no

im at 250

[bronze terrace]

I'm doing a simu with my coc fr char atm to test frames

if I dont cap it varies from 290-70 fps

[royal ermine]

Imagine not using 3080

Fucking weeeebs

[bronze terrace]

dont think I will have any super lags this league tho

pc should be beefy enough by now

[mossy moss]

getting new one when next generation drops

[bronze terrace]

I upgraded parts over this year

so I have some time now

whats the most fps taxing content?

[sly sentinel]

deli

[royal ermine]

Deli for sure

Isnt poe more CPU heavy than gpu?

[bronze terrace]

ok never dropped below 100fps doing 60% deli with my bv char

pretty happy with that

[bronze terrace]

Think so

But I just bought the 5890x3d so I think I a have pretty good setup for gaming

But poe is so badly programmed

[royal ermine]

Cause my game still lagg sometimes

And I'm on good setup

[bronze terrace]

Yeah it’s just not good

[sly sentinel]

any game that loads a lot of shit

is CPU heavy

usually most MMO's

the less fancy graphics, the more it stresses your CPU

because the GPU has no work to actually do

[turbid vale]

Deli specifically with stacking league mechanics

[sly sentinel]

nothing beats deli + blight with old HH

[turbid vale]

Like deli solo vs deli with a legion vs deli with a legion abyss breach and harby is a whole different thing

[sly sentinel]

and a billion projectiles

[turbid vale]

Or all those things but add in a fleeting shrine

[sly sentinel]

deli mirrors are so weird sometimes

[turbid vale]

Shout out to rue in archnem

Pick up echo shrine and crash instantly

[sly sentinel]

feels like you have no density, and you move a little bit

and your entire screen is covered

[bronze terrace]

Yeah I did 60% deli with hh and blight and obv lots of explosions with my bc char

And got to like 120 fps avg

[soft barn]

This is pretty based yeah

I will be starting with this open too

[sly sentinel]

bit much text, wrote my own notes

[soft barn]

I'll just be clicking through the gem links

[soft barn]

Make sure I dont forget banner etc

[turbid vale]

Pconc is just so nice for not needing a good wep

I kinda think for me based on private leagues it'd be like acts through maybe white maps pconc will feel better, but then helix would feel better

But I do helix every league so maybe a mixup is in order

[sacred lily]

@bronze terrace maybe a small remark: Kobe is gonna map in party with an aurastacker etc. So he kind of skips the rough part of league starting Venom Gyre.

sth to keep in mind

its not really a build that is really good on shit gear in low tier maps, but it might work

he's gonna be able to get upgrades a lot faster than poor solo players

[mossy moss]

gyre will feel like ass to start on fresh league

[bronze terrace]

That’s a good point

But if I just stick to helix until I have some currency I should be fine or

[gusty vessel]

Can probs play trinity spectral throw

and swap to venom gyre from that

shouldn't be that bad of a start if you dont want to helix

[bronze terrace]

Not bad either

[royal ermine]

im so exhausted

[stoic agate]

Same

Get some rest fren

Turn up the volume on your erotica, lie down and

[mossy moss]

[wind rain]

no wanking

[sacred lily]

definitely

deadeye does fucked up amounts of helix dps

far shot is an obscene multiplier

[mossy moss]

60% more basically straight away

[bronze terrace]

Ok ye i don’t mind staying helix a few days then

Should probably look for a deadeye helix leveling guide

[wind rain]

!rm ask nico how helix feels day 2

[limpid current]

Invalid time provided, try e.g. "tomorrow" or "3 days".

[wind rain]

[sly sentinel]

u think nico will still think about this build in 2 days

he'll be playing some shit like crackling lance ignite elementalist by then

[bronze terrace]

Probably true

[wind rain]

nah we got shuddies build on backup

[bronze terrace]

Yeah easy fallback to SA pathfinder

[stoic agate]

sikte's hexblast is gonna pog out

[mossy moss]

nah im proly starting new skill

[bronze terrace]

Really?

[mossy moss]

yes

if its aids i go helix or pconc

but the numbers are there

[bronze terrace]

Conduit?

[mossy moss]

yes

[stoic agate]

looks busted

[bronze terrace]

With orb of storm?

[mossy moss]

for bosses yes

[stoic agate]

skitterbots?

[mossy moss]

unsure for mapping

not skitterbots for sure

proly storm brand or arc

maybe KB

[bronze terrace]

Interesting

Dmg looks insane for sure

[stoic agate]

shock aura prolif

[mossy moss]

shield charging the pack works too

remains to see if that feels good tho

[bronze terrace]

Yeah gotta test it

[stoic agate]

you're gonna pog for sure tho

[mossy moss]

[bronze terrace]

Inqui or?

[mossy moss]

elementalist

[turbid vale]

I league starter dead eye helix last league

[stoic agate]

in hc?

[turbid vale]

[bronze terrace]

Was fine?

[turbid vale]

Yeah I mean last league start was the one with issues of overtuned rares and my start was pretty good feeling anyways

but im a helix enjoyer

worst part of the entire league though was trying to do the map with the guy who runs with the proximity shield as dead eye helix

holy fuck i almost quit the league

so dont do that

[mossy moss]

ye its no champ but its fine

[bronze terrace]

[turbid vale]

the one thing is that getting the focus trigger craft makes ur helix just feel a lot better

[bronze terrace]

which one?

[turbid vale]

and last league i couldnt run syndicate bc of crashing bug and i basically didnt get that craft like nearly at all

helmet focus trigger craft

[stoic agate]

[turbid vale]

last league it wasnt really available until like day 2 end

[mossy moss]

im really only worried about the skill possibly being bugged in some way

they may or may not fix those things quick

[turbid vale]

are u lightning conduiting

[mossy moss]

ye

[turbid vale]

not worried about the nerf or w/e happened last night

[mossy moss]

nah lost like 20% damage

its still bik

[bronze terrace]

its still a buff compared to the one they announced last week

[turbid vale]

i got 2 pings about it so

anyways yeah i played helix only first 3 days last league, its kind of always a case for me where im still pretty much enjoying helix but then the swap to LS just does always feel better

[mossy moss]

fax

helix is fun at first cus ur strong

but starts getting boring after a bit

[turbid vale]

ive still never really hit the point of like being truly bored of it, im always still enjoying it

[bronze terrace]

i mean I hope I can get some vg gear on end of day 3 or sth

[turbid vale]

but the skill im swapping to just always does feel significantly better

the problem you'll probbaly have with VG as pretty much every helix thing has this imo is ur just gonna get weaker on pob dps whne u swap xd

at least with hit based > hit based and poison > poison ur not really changing much gear its just a gem/talent swap

[bronze terrace]

yeah no gear change at all

kobe specifically said you should swap back to helix for bossing

[turbid vale]

ye i mean i dont know shit about vg but helix on 2-3 hits is pretty fuckin hard to compete with

hard meaning im not sure anything does lol

that probaly will be kinda fine only issue would be content like simus where u need to run both

[turbid vale]

bigger/more stationary thing ur fighting the better helix feels

does venomgyre not hit more than once or how does that work

[bronze terrace]

yeah you shoot many proj

but idk how many to calc

[turbid vale]

i thought it had outgoing and incoming at least but idk

[coral pollen]

I thought gyre had that like catching mechanic

[coral pollen]

Where u explode them

[bronze terrace]

you shoot themn

they store in your whirling blades

[coral pollen]

Ye that

[bronze terrace]

then you whirl and shoot 30 at once

dps seems pretty unrealistic tbh

[mossy moss]

is that str stack?

[soft barn]

From what I've seen it does a lot of damage

[bronze terrace]

no

[turbid vale]

kinda cool

[soft barn]

Like it certainly looks like about that much dps

[bronze terrace]

just normal ele venom gyre

[turbid vale]

seems like a more interactive poe skill compared to some

[mossy moss]

like if thats day 2-3 gear then yeah seems unrealistic

[soft barn]

When you see it in simu

[bronze terrace]

yeah I like how it feels too

ran a map earlier

seems pretty nice

[soft barn]

I was meaning a tricked out one, not welfare gear

[turbid vale]

i mean it looks kinda like the type where u just ignore how it works and it has good looking clear between whirling blades throw out and just pressing it in general

and then on bosses u just throw to 30 stacks and whirl ontop of it

[bronze terrace]

yeah exactly

[turbid vale]

which ud quickly get a good feel for that timing

does sound like kinda hard dps to calc bc ur not really sure how many of the proj are hitting teh boss on teh shotgun and what not

[bronze terrace]

https://pobb.in/9Yg109Qs2Ab5

here is the pob

idk how that gear looks

also he does kinda weird stuff with the ascendencies

sometimes he takes far shot and sometimes not

but always has distance 100 to enemies

[turbid vale]

maybe the projectile barrage portion is beneficial

idk how that works maybe u could actually play it from range but it doesnt seem like u generally would

[bronze terrace]

yeah you are pretty close usually

[turbid vale]

deadeye with no windward

softcore players smh

[bronze terrace]

he does on his lvl 100 tree

[turbid vale]

interesting

[bronze terrace]

thats so weird

like i dont get that layout for VG

[turbid vale]

seems the idea is then that u have enough chain/proj from better jewels or what not

[bronze terrace]

prob

so you go def

and take far shot for some reason

[turbid vale]

yeah i mean if far shot tGHTENS the barrage from whirling blades

that seems really sick

maybe i can just buy a venom gyre gem and see

[bronze terrace]

doesnt seem like it

[turbid vale]

sounds sus then not sure why he do that

iirc farshot is travel time based so at least ur returns would be benefitting

even if u were in melee

[bronze terrace]

mh maybe it tightens the spread a bit

how is the gear looking blake?

is that somehwhat obtainable?

[turbid vale]

this is all based off memory but i'

i'll try to roughly price check the stuff for early days i think

claw - pretty easy to make urself maybe 30c?
shield - really easy 1-10c
helm - blizz crown with enchant.. probably 2 ex + (without enchant if low ilvl is okay like 80c for base)
armour - not really sure low tier spell supp, high tier life, chaos res and an ele res probably like 2 ex?
gloves - some mods im not familar with im guessing 20c
boots - 1 ex ish maybe easy to craft on ur own
amy - no clue i never buy stuff like this probably pretty cheap
ring 1 low tier mods but all good mods probably 10c on a random base and 1 ex on a chaos base xd
ring 2 same vibes good mods low tier this one has non chann and is vermilly so like 50c no vermilly 1 ex + with vermilly
belt - stygy vise so probably 50c, that one has open suffix but u could just drop a mod and craft nad bla bla bla 30-50c
abyssal - 5c probs
flasks - cba
90 tree just has a mantra of flames so like 5c

idrk how mandatory any of this is, kinda looks like a pob where he just took random shit out of his standard stash or something to make the guy

everything except the chest seems like it'd be easy to get nearly as good or exactly as good

[bronze terrace]

oh pog thanks +

that doesnt sound to bad

[sly sentinel]

btw

isn't venom gyre like

[turbid vale]

he uses some phys as x ele mods that i just dont even know about at all

they could be crafted or really cheap on trade i just have no clue

[sly sentinel]

it's not actually best in anything, it's just that kobe loves it so much

he does everything to make it viable

[bronze terrace]

yeah he loves that spell

[turbid vale]

could say the same about scourge arrow with belirs though

or rue with phys dot champ

i think u could make equivalent build - the chaos res as that pob for like 50c tbh

or just ssf it really

[bronze terrace]

that pob looks really good for that invest tbh

[sly sentinel]

i wanna make salmon with my pog asparagus sauce

but i don't have creme fraiche

do i go to the store

[turbid vale]

its probably - chaos res and - those phys as x mods, dunno how those work

there is also stuff like the exarch mods which in my head cost 0 currency bc u just self sustain

[sly sentinel]

do i muster enough will and energy to go to the store

[turbid vale]

but do technically probs add like 10c + to each piece

[bronze terrace]

yeah but that sounds good enough to league start it tbh

[turbid vale]

like the gloves are actually just 2 good influence mods and then attack speed + decent life + 2 high res

which is like u could get the base for probbaly 5c and then do the influence mods urself for like the shit u have in ur stash

idrk at what point u decide to swap though its kinda weird

with LS its just like i got my strike time to swap

[bronze terrace]

i mean its the same gear so I guess you just pob it and change when its not to far off anymore?

or just when you cant stand helix anymore

probably the latter

[bronze terrace]

order groceries

[turbid vale]

yeah idk

swap in venom gyre if it feels more fun swap

[sly sentinel]

wouldn't get it until tomorrow

i was good and went to the store

[bronze terrace]

good boy

[sly sentinel]

Food time

[bronze terrace]

yeah exactlty

and venom gyre feels pretty fun

[royal ermine]

owo

[sly sentinel]

Man this sauce is the love of my life

Recipe for bis sauce

[royal ermine]

@sly sentinelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcMC2sh1bRM

[sly sentinel]

time to cook like twice as much pasta as i actually need

[sweet eagle]

saw that Day9 is trying out PoE

[sacred lily]

I’m going LS Champ. Fuck it, I’m normie.

Better leveling, easier and faster LS transition

Then either keep scaling it or swap to sth cool by day 3

[bronze terrace]

I'll risk it

never played venom gyre and ls a lot

if its bad I just reroll

the good thing having a ranger is that if all goes wrong you can just go ls raider

[royal ermine]

aight need to prep my pobs for friday now

[mossy moss]

[soft barn]

I think he's played it a bit before

[royal ermine]

@sly sentinel for posion conc do we use Maxroll or the sheet one

[soft barn]

A lot of people have done a day or two of poe but it never seems to catch on

[sly sentinel]

think they're the same?

[royal ermine]

hmm

[soft barn]

The maxroll is just fine for links. I think go with whichever one you prefer the layout of

[sacred lily]

The Uber pinnacle duelist jewels actually make it certain that Champ is better than Trickster.

Holy Jesus

And they weren’t very expensive last league

[soft barn]

This aint even that good tho

[royal ermine]

are these pob fine though since its 3.17

?

[sacred lily]

Bro this is a ton of dps on VLS. And 30% on LS.

Just with 2 jewels

[sly sentinel]

what

[royal ermine]

[sacred lily]

60% extra damage on 1/2 strikes

I’m not playing multistrike on champ

[sly sentinel]

how u gonna proc it without multistrike

[royal ermine]

https://poe.maxroll.gg/build-guides/poisonous-concoction-pathfinder-league-starter-guide

this ojne right?

[sly sentinel]

does it even work with ancestral call

[soft barn]

The node makes it repeat once shuddie but there was a reason from before about why it wasnt as good as it looked on paper

I'll see if I can find what it was

[sacred lily]

Read the second line

[royal ermine]

also myz

can I just change my passive when changing into SA if I go path finder?

[sly sentinel]

isnt the reason it sucks the same reason that people dont use awakened multistrike on ls

[sacred lily]

Idk

[royal ermine]

i dont se a reason why it wouldnt work

[sacred lily]

Why would it suck? You’re locked in an animation for a bit longer but for that damage I’ll take it

You attack 8-9 times per second as is with LS

[sly sentinel]

@gusty vessel @turbid vale ls boys

why does awakened multistrike suck on ls

[soft barn]

Cause its melee damage

And half your damage is proj

[gusty vessel]

it doesnt scale 3/4ths of your dam

[sacred lily]

3/4ths how?

[gusty vessel]

it doesn't affect the melee portion of vaal

just your regular melee part of ls

[sacred lily]

Even 60% of half of every other strike is more than any other jewel

[sly sentinel]

so it's actually 30% more of 1/3

so 10%?

[soft barn]

I found the thread about this one, the verdict was only play without multistrike and then its 30% more damage if you can deal with your attack speed feeling like its halved. works out at 14%ish more per jewel which you theoretically can get other ways

[gusty vessel]

it also feels clunky af without alot of attack speed

[soft barn]

So its good but not turbo turbo insane

[sacred lily]

Yes ofc I’ll play it without multistrike lmao

[soft barn]

My thinking is if it was giga broken then we'd see more people play it last league

[sacred lily]

14% more per jewel? Doesn’t sound right. I’m sure it’s more than 30% per VLS cast

[sly sentinel]

just use it with awakened multistrike, become a turret

[soft barn]

Duelist has so many good nodes

[sacred lily]

I’ll do the numbers when I’m off the shitter

[bronze terrace]

i'd give up dps to play without multistrike

on champ

shit felt awful

[gusty vessel]

champ has the lowest atk speed out of the 3

[soft barn]

It felt good on zerker but it wasnt the best dps for the money

Woke multi just aint cheap

[royal ermine]

lets hope the items for SA isnt to expensive before i ge tto mapping

[sly sentinel]

most people have probably rerolled from SA by then

[mossy moss]

[bronze terrace]

[mossy moss]

He thinks he can buy darkscorn after campaign

[gusty vessel]

probs thinking he can get covenant before reds aswell

[sly sentinel]

i'll be surprised if dabbi can get a hold of the covenant at all

atleast a 6L one

[soft barn]

I'm just working my way through the last season of better call saul

This is hard on the ol feelies

[royal ermine]

toxic hoe

[soft barn]

@sly sentinel I just flipped a coin in #💬off-topic and it came up Pathfinder

[sly sentinel]

im watching rue rn

losing his shit

trying to explain to chat

why trickster is so garbage for poison

[soft barn]

Imagine taking one look at the tree and thinking

mmmm yes

dot character

[sly sentinel]

action speed node doesn't even affect totems

[bronze terrace]

did rue say what he starts?

[royal ermine]

@sly sentinel im going SA after all

proud ?

[sly sentinel]

dont think he knows yet

he's looking at the CA balista build atm

butchering it

jungroan and rue hating on the fact its trickster

saying it's a useless asc for the build

[bronze terrace]

yeah I watched it

palsteron was in chat

[royal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-exile-queue-new-league-gif-24701089

[soft barn]

All I'm gathering is that we're somehow all going SA

[sly sentinel]

why am i not surprised

[soft barn]

Also

Whats the pathfinder life flask tech

With the master surgeon node thing

[sly sentinel]

u won't even choose it

[royal ermine]

shuddie u didnt answer my question still

[sly sentinel]

it's nerfed

[soft barn]

What was it then

[sly sentinel]

charges on hit for flasks

perma bouncing flasks

with use when charges are full

[soft barn]

Ah ye I knew about that one

BUt I thought there was some thing that let you auto use life flasks when you take damage or some shit

or maybe only use them when you take damage

[royal ermine]

shuddie ignores me

[soft barn]

Pretty sure Darkee was talking about it as a tech last gauntlet

[turbid vale]

AAAAAAAAAÀAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[turbid vale]

So what flesh and flame are we all going

[sly sentinel]

some raider shit

[soft barn]

I'd need to do some PoB I think

[turbid vale]

I guess it's just obviously raider phasing spell supp or tailwind? Or is some of the other dead eye stuff goated

[soft barn]

Raider cant really go wrong

[turbid vale]

Maybe I can cop tailwind for hella cheap again

U guys should totally do raider stuff and not tailwind

[soft barn]

Might just do what I can for some zoom zoom

[sly sentinel]

Avatar of the chase maybe

double onslaught effect

[soft barn]

SA does not generate many additional tailwind charges unfortunately

So boots would be just as good iirc

[sly sentinel]

so what i wanna do

[turbid vale]

what now

[sly sentinel]

is run Avatar of the chase for 100% onslaught effect

and try to get death's rush

for perma adrenaline

[turbid vale]

Idk what u mean by add tailwind and yeah I'm not used to not running Perma unique boots

[sly sentinel]

gonna be a fking ferrari

[turbid vale]

Tailwind as LS was fine do u not attack that much as scourge arrow

[soft barn]

I mean run tailwind boots

cause the ascendency node

its 10% then 1% more per skill used recently right?

Unless its changed

but SA would only proc that on key press down, so wont make giga stacks

[sly sentinel]

i'll be getting 40% MS + Attack speed from Onslaught and 100% dmg, 25% AS and 25% MS from adrenaline

[soft barn]

I will likely do chase

[sly sentinel]

so in total
65% Movement speed
65% attack speed
100% damage
10% PDR

[soft barn]

But only death rush for early mapping

[sly sentinel]

early mapping?

its gonna be expensive af

it gives adrenaline now, not onslaught

[soft barn]

ehh, we'll see

[turbid vale]

It caps at 10 anyways idk I figured any skil would be spammy enough when combined with movement spam

WAIRT

[soft barn]

I know

[turbid vale]

If I play scourge I can't use whirling blades or shield charge

[soft barn]

nope

[sly sentinel]

flame dash gang

[soft barn]

Its a dash angle

[turbid vale]

I mean it's always flame dash but that's not a spam movement skill

[royal ermine]

[turbid vale]

Maybe I just blink arrow?

[sly sentinel]

ur gonna be putting out ballistas tho

[turbid vale]

That's what I did on my zoomy raider bowguy in archnem

[sly sentinel]

u cant really perma spam movement skills anyway

[turbid vale]

Why not why is putting down ballistas diff from using any other skill

[bronze terrace]

blink arrow

[turbid vale]

I would think u have to press ballistas less

[soft barn]

We do not blink arrow

[sly sentinel]

because they charge SA

[turbid vale]

I like blink arrow

Tuna showed me the light

[sly sentinel]

if you put it down and zoom, you'll kill nothing

they don't fire instantly

[turbid vale]

Ok but if u just zoom with any skill u do nothing

Ur telling me I have to press ballistas more often than I would have to press kb or ls

[sly sentinel]

i think you underestimate the early charge speed of SA totems

it's like 2 seconds

[turbid vale]

Oh ok then I won't play this skill

Can't zoom goodbye

[soft barn]

SA is very zoom if you selfcast

[sly sentinel]

ballistas lets you get a lot of dmg for free early on

when you get good gear you'll just self charge

unless you giga juice

then you'll need to do both

[soft barn]

You play balista till you can do yourself ye

[turbid vale]

U told me this was a late game zoom clear build

[soft barn]

Then you selfcast with balista for ubers

It is

[turbid vale]

I doubt I do any Ubers

[sly sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfDWcwoDYuw

[soft barn]

Have you not seen the IIR juiced mapper version?

[turbid vale]

Me blast maps

[sly sentinel]

HH tho

[soft barn]

That was all selfcasting

[sly sentinel]

shame belirs doesn't have non HH vids

[soft barn]

Its so strong in maps

[turbid vale]

Idk I was just told I couldn't zoom and that's cringe

[royal ermine]

[sly sentinel]

look at the vid tho

[turbid vale]

But now ur telling me I can zoom

[sly sentinel]

isn't that zoom

[turbid vale]

I'm just a listener

[sly sentinel]

u can't zoom at the start

[turbid vale]

I cannot look at vid rn

[sly sentinel]

you can later on

[turbid vale]

Ok but LS I can zoom immediately same with cf

[sly sentinel]

ye and cf boss damage sucks giga dick

and ls is boring and overplayed

[turbid vale]

Meh faster and good clear is the direct opposite of boring in poe for me

[bronze terrace]

How can you think a charging ballista skill is zoomy

[turbid vale]

I will look at other builds when I'm home I guess don't like the idea of rerolling off helix to a build that doesnt feel good for a while which is what u guys are telling me

[soft barn]

Blake

[bronze terrace]

You always go raider LS just bc you like to go fast

[turbid vale]

I've never played ballistas bro I'm just listening

[sly sentinel]

im only staying LA for the first week anyway

i mean SA

[soft barn]

I'm gonna completely skip the ballista step

And go straight to selfcast

[sly sentinel]

i think skipping ballista will just giga nerf ur boss dmg

[turbid vale]

I mean if it does like 4mil dps then idk why I'd play ballistas

[soft barn]

So it can 100% be done, even if it not optimal

[soft barn]

I will be fine

[turbid vale]

Well it's poison so maybe 10mil xd

[bronze terrace]

How long do you have to charge SA tho

[soft barn]

I could get 4 watchstones on 3 link conversion trap on god

[bronze terrace]

Proof or ban

[sly sentinel]

if you selfcast with good gear you just tap it

you don't need to full charge

[soft barn]

Ubers can wait till I'm poggers at 1 week in

[turbid vale]

I'll get the watchstones as helix for sure

[bronze terrace]

Yeah with good gear

[turbid vale]

Are u guys swapping that early

[soft barn]

Yep

[sly sentinel]

when i say good gear i don't mean 50 ex

lol

maybe 10

[soft barn]

SA as soon as I get darkscorn basically

Before that cocka

[sly sentinel]

i think some of you expect too much out of early builds

[turbid vale]

I mean idk I'm just used to playing good starter build for first 2 days or so then swapping

I literally said yesterday I want a build to make it to 100

[bronze terrace]

You mean 10 divines

[turbid vale]

And u said that was this

[bronze terrace]

[turbid vale]

And then now u say I expect to much

I told u exactly what I want

[bronze terrace]

How dare you shuddie

Not catering to Blake’s needs

[sly sentinel]

belirs gets to 100 in 4 days

what do i know

[royal ermine]

shuddie still didnt answer my quesiton 2h later

[turbid vale]

It's just weird when I'm very clear what I want to then say I expect too much xd

[soft barn]

Maybe deep down

[sly sentinel]

i was mostly talking to nico

but ok

[soft barn]

Blake just wants an excuse to play VLS again

[sly sentinel]

true

[turbid vale]

I really don't

[bronze terrace]

Maybe you should do spark inqui if you wanna go to 100 quick while mapping

[sly sentinel]

nothing does what ls does

[turbid vale]

But then u guys tell me the meta build sucks

So what can I do

[soft barn]

LS is some hot bullshit

[sly sentinel]

why u think everyone finds this league so boring at the start

ls is just massively op compared to everything else

[bronze terrace]

I’m hyped for my venom gyre tbh

[turbid vale]

But cf glad also feels good to swap too

[soft barn]

SA is gonna be bery good

[turbid vale]

So is Cf glad just also massively op

[bronze terrace]

Why would it be op

[sly sentinel]

cf is annoying to gear, and boss damage sucks

[bronze terrace]

It’s just as strong as last league or

[gusty vessel]

https://youtu.be/eUp2UFsEn50

[sly sentinel]

cf has gotten more and more annoying

it's actually worse this league aswell

ashes expensive af, gl getting a high rolled one
blessing for free pride was removed last league
free CF focus craft is removed this league

15% mana reservation is gone this league

[turbid vale]

I liked cf a lot when I played it in scourge and that was before the archnem and divine blessing tech

[sly sentinel]

that's 1 less aura

[turbid vale]

Never had the boss damage problems that u had so Im sure it's not really much nerfed for me

[sly sentinel]

play it then

can leaguestart it too

[soft barn]

This is actually pretty based

Literally everything bait

[gusty vessel]

it is

[soft barn]

if it isnt made by exile or ben

[gusty vessel]

but its hilarious

[turbid vale]

The purpose of bringing it up was to point out that I don't believe LS is the only fun high clear speed build to swap to post helix so cf was an example

But I guess those are the only 2

[soft barn]

Cause thats dan refined

This is

Very selfaware

[sly sentinel]

idk i would never compare cf vs ls

ls is on another level in terms of the builds you can do with it

[turbid vale]

I've played both a lot and I would

[sly sentinel]

then you're misremembering CF, cuz LS just becomes a unkillable monster

with 20% of the CF budget

[bronze terrace]

Kobe held at gunpoint to promote deadeye vg instead of berserker

[gusty vessel]

[soft barn]

The clear on CF glad just has a whole nother level of feel to it

[turbid vale]

Think that's extremely untrue tbh

[soft barn]

But its a worse build than VLS by some way imo

[turbid vale]

Cf glad has insane clear on near 0 budget where as LS needs probably 10-15 ex before it really gets going

[gusty vessel]

?????

[turbid vale]

Probably another 50 before it's as tanky or tankier ngl

I mean ??? All u want everyone knows how much vls I've played XD

Cf glad is faster and tankier on lower budget just how it is

[bronze terrace]

You both played a lot of LS

[gusty vessel]

tankier maybe

[turbid vale]

LS ends up both faster and tankier eventually but it deff doesn't start off better

[gusty vessel]

but vls is for sure faster without alot of gear

[turbid vale]

Define without a lot of gear

[sly sentinel]

should have seen how much i got 1 tapped last league as CF and like 100k+ ehp in maps

[soft barn]

No shot low budget keeps up with glad pops

[sly sentinel]

and that was with 100% spell suppress

[turbid vale]

I hit 100 on cf glad

Without 100% spell supp

[sly sentinel]

u didn't experience archnem rares with it

[turbid vale]

Shit was pretty tanky

[sly sentinel]

lmao

[bronze terrace]

Yeah i don’t really see it either but tbf all my LS builds I played where high investment

[turbid vale]

Wasn't everyone dying to archnem rares? Didn't they get omega nerfed

[bronze terrace]

So they felt good from the start

[sly sentinel]

i mean even at the end

[bronze terrace]

No cf glad just sucked

Untested build

[sly sentinel]

w.e

play it then

it's not bad

[turbid vale]

Yep that's the point I'm making for sure

[sly sentinel]

i just don't think it's as godly as u think

[turbid vale]

I don't recall calling it godly

[soft barn]

My CF glad was squishier than my VLS

[sly sentinel]

if ur comparing it to ls

ur calling it godly

imo

[soft barn]

But legit the only reason why

[turbid vale]

Bcimo it's better at low investment

[soft barn]

Is cause it had no inspired learning

[turbid vale]

Which is a comparison to make

[sly sentinel]

if ur goal is to not juice then yes

it has way better clear

probably one of the best

[turbid vale]

Cf glad gets to juice earlier bc of pops carrying though wat also has the benefit of getting to play at range with a higher effective hit + the cry for on demand healing

Feel like rue ends up running full juice troppies in mf gear every league idk about this goal not to juice thing

When did u try vls as well I didn't know u ever played it

[sly sentinel]

seeing tuna facetank a screen full of deli mirror mobs on a 10 ex budget cuz of the insane life gain on hit says enough doesn't it

[bronze terrace]

I definitely couldn’t do that even with 50ex budget or so

[sly sentinel]

not to mention last league where vls was one of the only builds who could do early deli mirrors cuz of VLS + the sextant shit

and he spawned like 10 vls at once

lol

[turbid vale]

Bv could deff do it but that's just sextant cheese and idk I wouldn't judge a build I've never played based off someone like tuna kobe rue etc

[royal ermine]

gn nerds

[turbid vale]

Those guys are just too good for us for what they do to really matter, they are gonna make every build look better

Also tunas 10 ex budgets often include a frenzy shield worth 20 ex he sniped for 50c or a claw worth 60 ex he crafted himself for free XD

[sly sentinel]

CF to me atm is just so fking annoying, cuz it's just a constant struggle to fit in shit

ashes, alternate qual gems

auras

[turbid vale]

When I played it in scourge u didn't use ashes, or the divine blessing set up and so u had like 4 sockets of flex, had the nice vortex tech the cry for Regen and still room to throw some other random shit in

Worst part is probably enlighten and empower/s

[sly sentinel]

also bleed pops are a bit worse for most, as people mostly play champ now with the gloves

[turbid vale]

If I were to ever play it I'd probs just play glad, I tried that tech at the end of archnem and didn't love it

[coral pollen]

me lurking amidst this discussion given what I'm planning to leaguestart

[turbid vale]

Mahbe I just become a venom gyre

If only it was useful discussion

The end result is just cf is good and LS is good which is shocking revelations

[sly sentinel]

i love that they're even brought up 3 leagues in a row

GGG can't balance for shit

so fking annoying

imagine changing the meta

[bronze terrace]

[sly sentinel]

i wonder if lightning conduit is gonna end up like the crackling lance disaster back when it released

[turbid vale]

@soft barn have u mapped out a pob for how much dmg u expect on the darkscorn swap

Also what does niko mean when he says charge is this not an instant cast skill

[sly sentinel]

i don't think he plans to go SA before darkscorn

SA is a charge skill

[turbid vale]

Wish I knew what that meant

[gusty vessel]

Channel to infuse an arrow with chaos, gaining stages while it is held.

[sly sentinel]

you hold the skill

[turbid vale]

Also yeah that's why I asked how much dmg he expected to have when he swapped

[gusty vessel]

more stages = more pods

[sly sentinel]

the longer you hold, the more spores it creates along the arrow

[turbid vale]

This sounds more and more like An ea ballista skill

[gusty vessel]

well ye but worse, since the ballistas wont just go brrrrr

[sly sentinel]

thats because it is

[bronze terrace]

A worse one

[gusty vessel]

they go bbbbbbbbbb.... r

[turbid vale]

Picture proof of me being baited yesterday then

[sly sentinel]

problem is if you want something to get 100 on there's not a ton to choose

maybe spark

[bronze terrace]

Or cf or ls

[gusty vessel]

shield crush

[bronze terrace]

Do a minion build

[soft barn]

I am going to do big damage

[sly sentinel]

getting to 100 would stress me

imagine dying at lvl 99

all the time lost

[bronze terrace]

Same

Big VG dmg

[turbid vale]

The stress of dying is what keeps u alive

[sly sentinel]

stress is the wrong word

more like anger

[turbid vale]

I feel aimless once I'm 100 and I feel like my build is bad if I can't do it

[sly sentinel]

if 100 is the req then i've never played a good build

[turbid vale]

It's all about the journey goadgeb

Gladge

[bronze terrace]

Same never a 100 so far

[sly sentinel]

my max is 98

[turbid vale]

Yeah I mean I think it's either bad build or ur playing lazy/distracted at times

Which is fine poe is a mind numbing game

[bronze terrace]

I could’ve easily hit .100 in simus

But that was not fun

[soft barn]

When I have a good build I just end up overjuicing at some point

[turbid vale]

Yeah true or get bored and reroll

[sly sentinel]

i just giga juice

and die

[turbid vale]

I did full juice to 100 in scourge

[bronze terrace]

I reroll builds to often

[sly sentinel]

"i wonder if i can do 100% deli triple beyond with 100 mechanics"

"guess i can but i need 3 portals"

[soft barn]

I'm more than happy dying once every 5-10 maps

[turbid vale]

Yeah u just do ur experiments when u level

[soft barn]

if it means I can omegajuice for fun

[bronze terrace]

Legit rerolling a new build every week

[turbid vale]

Then if they are too hard u abandon them until next level when u see if ur strong enough now

[soft barn]

Till I change that mindset I aint hitting 100

[sly sentinel]

if i dont have 200 deaths week 2, did i even make use of my portals

[bronze terrace]

You paid for 6 portals per map

Better use them

[soft barn]

I paid for 6 portals

[sly sentinel]

indeed

[soft barn]

I'm gonna use 6 portals

Exactly Nico

[bronze terrace]

Tbf that’s more my motto than yours Dave

Your chars are always tanky

[sly sentinel]

it's why i always fit cast on death portal if i can

[soft barn]

You should see my /deaths though

[bronze terrace]

Oh rue looking at lightning conduit build atm

[turbid vale]

My /deaths usually ends up being pretty high

Sometimes build takes a while to become good usually still die 2-3 times per level

Sometimes run it down for fun after leveling etc

[soft barn]

Fun fact I've made it to maps without dying exactly one time

[turbid vale]

My best is like 11 deaths to maps so

Some of the shit I've leveled as I've needed to die for mana

[sly sentinel]

what is "pretty high" when it comes to deaths

i always have a 200 death character

every league

[turbid vale]

Like 200+ I'd say

[soft barn]

My friend challenged me to see who could hit maps in HC fastest

[turbid vale]

I'd have to check my guys but I'd bet they are all above 300

[soft barn]

I watched him go through like 10 rips before I decided to take part xd

[sly sentinel]

i'll admit that the sentinel mechanic last league made me die a fuckton

cuz i was greedy

[soft barn]

That first character is still alive in HC

In maps

[turbid vale]

I probably only made it to 100 in sentinel bc mageboood

I would've had to play differently or stop using sentinels or something probably

[bronze terrace]

Rue likes the lightning conduit build

[turbid vale]

Got mage blood at 98 or 99 I forget so I could play like a freak

[bronze terrace]

Sikte gonna pog

[sly sentinel]

well

lightning conduid has the crackling lance problem

same with every new skill

it looks good on paper, but it might be garbage to play with

crackling lance was so hyped on release, but it turned out to be absolute dog

[soft barn]

idk why they put so much stuff into it to make it awkward

cooldown when triggered eww

cant shock

eww

[sly sentinel]

first thing i thought of when i saw it was coc

[soft barn]

limit one on the new aura thing

eww

[sly sentinel]

but i guess they didnt want that

[turbid vale]

@soft barn do u have any idea how realistic the 65% shock is
Supposedly it's already testable bc they are doing it through orb of storms but idk

[coral pollen]

I'm going to do you a favor and not even send you whatever I'm fking going with @turbid vale

gonna be on par with dabbi in getting to maps at this rate

I finally understand why scion is scuffed early

[turbid vale]

I believe in u bro

Ur gonna break the meta

[coral pollen]

[soft barn]

I have no idea honestly

But I've seen some people doing wacky ass setups

With like

Hit a hydrosphere for max shock

Reflect that shock to you

And then aura it out with a unique to enemies

Its dumb as shit

[coral pollen]

if I want to use helix at lvl 12

I legit have to take a random node at the start for +5 dex or pick up +dex gear

[soft barn]

On what character?

[coral pollen]

scion

you fkin

need 21 dex

[soft barn]

[coral pollen]

and scion only has 20

[soft barn]

Fucking Scion

[coral pollen]

I have to fking beeline to the 30 dex near glancing blows/tireless

[turbid vale]

That's fine imo

[coral pollen]

[turbid vale]

Not hard to find a random dex piece by 12

[coral pollen]

prob yea

just need to not be

but then again

I'm already because this is literally just going to be worse than playing it on champ/glad

[soft barn]

no cap 30 stat nodes while levelling are based

Dropping them later is far from based

[turbid vale]

omniscience

alright i finally watched that vid

so any cool trickster builds yet

[soft barn]

You can play anything with that boi I'm pretty convinced

But hit based is best and it really aint half bad for attacks

[turbid vale]

trickster being sicknasty 420 epic
dave 🤝 blake

[soft barn]

Dave and Blake?

[turbid vale]

absolutely

[soft barn]

Perhaps 👀

[turbid vale]

what if i just full meme it up and play shield crush

[soft barn]

It'd be good I think

[turbid vale]

but do i go poison or cold

also tunas thing has this disclaimer about this shield

any knowers

[soft barn]

I think it'll slap on a budget

But its for hit based not poison cause of the ES scaling crit

[turbid vale]

o sorry i was unclear, tunas disclaimer is that the build is bad until u get this shield, says dont swap off helix until then

tunas version is cold so hit based

[soft barn]

Yeah

He's pretty on the money

[bronze terrace]

It’s a common shield tho or?

[soft barn]

And later on you can get a 3k armour shield

[soft barn]

Who knows

[bronze terrace]

True

[turbid vale]

did it get buffed/changed

is that why ppl are talking about shield crush?

[soft barn]

extremely

buffed

[turbid vale]

i see

this is the jungroan shield

[soft barn]

was 300-400% armour before

Now its 1000%

[turbid vale]

for poison

[soft barn]

No ES is good for poison ye

All armour and eva

[turbid vale]

dude shield throw is kinda cool looking

this video from a year ago says it has a really bad hitbox though

woke chain and ur playing prot paladin

this is looking like an archnem moment

build wont be decided until i get home on friday

is tenkei like a guides for casuals kind of guy or what

he said shield crush is not recommended for beginners and its pob is a nightmare but im not sure if i should take that to apply to me or not

sentinel 100 (probably 10-30 deaths post 100)

scourge 100, no clue how many if any were post 100

scourge 99

[stiff pagoda]

Ok 2 days left

All builds locked in?

[turbid vale]

no

[stiff pagoda]

Go VLS raider like me

[soft barn]

You mean go VLS raider like Blake?

[coral pollen]

kobe venom gyre vid again?

[stoic agate]

Pohx's RF guide kinda pog

how in the fuk did dabbi mess it up

[sweet eagle]

doing a bit of leveling with slam, and it looks like it will be an hour per act for me

first few acts might go a bit faster now that I understand what skills to get

[turbid vale]

1 its past ur bed time 2 im shield crush trickster blake atm

[stoic agate]

strength/int stack energy blade inquisitor reave blake when?

[turbid vale]

[stoic agate]

that's my goal for this league

[turbid vale]

[stoic agate]

[turbid vale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq02NFHdtME

idk if it looks like this at all

but looks kinda cool

[stoic agate]

yeah

that's the one

[coral pollen]

pogging

[turbid vale]

kinda funny asmodeus story with his soulthirst spark

my friend was in rue or someones chat asking what build to reroll too and asmodeus was in chat and was like "asmodeus has a pretty good soulthirst spark guide on youtube u could check out"

[stoic agate]

[turbid vale]

dog is on that grind i guess

[sacred lily]

Its really cool

I played cold sst raider in 3.15 I think, or 14. Was popping off.

[turbid vale]

i think plan to start (pending changing my mind in the next 12 hours) is shield crush, but it seems pretty simple to test out shield throw from that

so if i test it out and it feels fun then maybe i switch to that instead

[sacred lily]

Just aim into your hydrosphere and gg. Idk if things play similarly now, with the hydrosphere changes over the leagues

But man it was fun feeling like captain America

[turbid vale]

do u happent o know if suggested trickster league start is poison helix even if im aiming for cold sshield throw/crush
or is there some kind of hit based helix leveling i can do too

[sacred lily]

No other build like it