Pants of Exile

[royal ermine]

@mossy moss can u tell myz to not be selfish

[wind rain]

last time dabbi made his build he made a healer cyclone and healed the mobs, they just couldn't die

it was glorious

[royal ermine]

wa

[gusty vessel]

The 200k giga hps headhunter cyclone

[royal ermine]

HJAHAHA

it was a pog build

wdym

[wind rain]

what could go wrong; liquidating all your currency into a hh and then end up with a hh and nothing else

[royal ermine]

did more dps than hikas bukild

[mossy moss]

no

it has to remain esoteric and mysterious

[royal ermine]

can u tell hika to stop bullying

[sacred lily]

tbf if i were you dabbi i'd play some vanilla as shit poison starter, barely needs gear to come online and you can pivot to dumb builds when you built up some currency

[royal ermine]

my hh build was pog

[wind rain]

no it wasn't

you couldn't even do a leveling zone

[sacred lily]

pconc, poison helix, SA ballista

any of those

[mossy moss]

it was shite, 8 second duration HH buffs

[wind rain]

you were dying in white non alched maps

[royal ermine]

waht do u mean????

lies

herrassyyy

[bronze terrace]

https://pobb.in/_aX-aNmW9AAD @soft barn can you tell my why there is a watchers thats basically useless from my understanding?

[wind rain]

he deleted all his vod evidence on twithc

[bronze terrace]

50% shock btw

[royal ermine]

U ARE JELLY

MY HH BUILD

WAS INSANE

I BLASTED

MAX BLOCK

AS WELL

[wind rain]

yet you still died

[royal ermine]

NO

ID

DID

NOT

[wind rain]

@mossy moss

settle this

[soft barn]

Why does this site

Have all the info

Apart from gear?

Stop making me import PoB's its so long

[bronze terrace]

that would be great if they had

[wind rain]

man dubai is hot

[bronze terrace]

also whats that

actual nico build

[royal ermine]

nico

hika is jelly

I had a good buil

[soft barn]

Yeah idk this is scuffed

[royal ermine]

dnad he did not

he also jelly of my super tanky RF build

I tanked every sirus ability

[soft barn]

He's done the goratha tech of swapping his zeal for grace I guess?

And forgot to update the watchers

[bronze terrace]

yeah could be

but that guide is fine to follow or?

[royal ermine]

FIGHT

FIGHT

FIGHT

FIGHT FIGHT

[mossy moss]

stfu

[royal ermine]

SIKTE how dare u

this is a cult classi

crespect it

or ill clap ur cheekls

[soft barn]

Just follow Goratha

[bronze terrace]

that is his pob

[soft barn]

bleh, somewhat cringe of him to do such a lazy update

The res will also be lost cause he swapped his real gloves for a random eva base with suppress and nothing else

Cause of nerfs

[bronze terrace]

oh ye

the gloves are without res

that explains the not capped

[soft barn]

His video guide is fine though

[royal ermine]

actually so hoped for thjis league

[sly sentinel]

work - work dinner - bowling with work

am tired

can't say im a bowling pro

[bronze terrace]

in his guide he still plays with herold of ice tho

[sly sentinel]

new build?

[bronze terrace]

wdym new?

[sly sentinel]

i haven't scrolled up

idk what ur talking about

[bronze terrace]

its gorathas spark inqui

[sly sentinel]

o

[mossy moss]

new and untested

[sly sentinel]

pog

[bronze terrace]

ok so I have 3 choices for my wheel of names

well one of them is still "sth trickster"

[sly sentinel]

@soft barn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnLiBXHHX-g

spellslinger with rolling magma and ice spear

looks pretty dope

can pretty much replace it with any spell you want

not a leaguestarter, but could be fun to try next league. it's getting buffed aswell

[royal ermine]

test dez nuts

[sweet eagle]

no you

[royal ermine]

why

[sly sentinel]

anyone remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9X5eodyhz0

[sweet eagle]

super speed

[royal ermine]

Ima make a super op buiold this league

watch my words

[stoic agate]

i'm watching them

not believing them

could mark what you just said and laugh at you next week for playing a dogtamer build

[mossy moss]

[royal ermine]

oh no hika was here

[stoic agate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/wpo9wb/autoshock_lightning_conduit_mspaint/

oh no

[turbid vale]

Just shut the heck up and play scourge arrow meta cuck

[sly sentinel]

ye

meta cuck

[turbid vale]

@sly sentinel I'm gonna get most of my pre work work done on Friday and then just slack so I can have a pure weekend

[sly sentinel]

[royal ermine]

https://twitter.com/bexsayswords/status/1559441387061334016?t=EgF-_roMdnpc5rblrH_YsQ&s=19

Bex (@bexsayswords)

Lol

Likes

582

Twitter · Aug 16, 2022, 7:26 AM

[turbid vale]

Priorities put poe ahead of life

[royal ermine]

I found vark

[sly sentinel]

as it should be

[bronze terrace]

I hate ballistas

[soft barn]

So use it yourself

[turbid vale]

Just run mirrow arrow and do 5x less damage fuck it

[soft barn]

Fuck the police

[sly sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-police-cat-driving-gif-5740476

[turbid vale]

I might not actually do scourge arrow as well though

Need to do some actual investigating

If it's meant to be a league starter like ea ballista then I'm not doin it

[stoic agate]

[bronze terrace]

The thing is I wanna have a trickster bc there might be some juice builds coming week 2 or so

And I hate leveling

[sly sentinel]

it's meant to be a reroll build for juicing

after your leaguestarter

[turbid vale]

My thought process is that I want to enjoy my starter (read as post helix build) to 100

Helix is probs always gonna technically be my starter

[bronze terrace]

I wanna enjoy my class for a long time

And not do acts again

[sly sentinel]

u cant leaguestart SA anyway

[bronze terrace]

Yeah ofc

[soft barn]

I bet you could do a reroll day 2 though

[turbid vale]

Well yeah but starter in my mind just means the thing I'm playing day 2-4 after I'm done with helix

[bronze terrace]

[soft barn]

Random 6l chest and a porcupine bow with chaos and attack speed

To do self cast and balista links

[sly sentinel]

ye but poison helix is op tho, no point rushing the reroll

[bronze terrace]

Idk I feel like it’s clever to start a trickster bc I wouldn’t have to relevel

[turbid vale]

Wonder how much a 5l covenant will be or even 4l

[sly sentinel]

trickster is gonna suck to level

[turbid vale]

Just helix bro

[bronze terrace]

Idk you can just helix

[soft barn]

You'd reroll early if you dont like helix basically

[sly sentinel]

it basically has no dmg ascendencies for leveling

[turbid vale]

I did helix in archnem it was my fastest smoothing leveling ever at the time

Who needs damage u have helix

Don't even run the labs fuck it

[soft barn]

No cap on trickster you take frenzy firsy

Then spec out of them at 4th lab

[turbid vale]

Pretty sure I just didn't run lab until I had first 2 unlocked

[soft barn]

Going to comfy length 5 frenzy is plenty of damage

[bronze terrace]

Maybe I’ll do the caustic arrow palsteron build

He is going trickster

Gonna wait for the video tomorrow

[sly sentinel]

caustic arrow

[turbid vale]

God dam I can't wait to throw some spinny axes and claws

[bronze terrace]

Caustic arrow ballista ye

Idk why he wanted sth different than SA

[sly sentinel]

that just sounds a lot worse

i level to 12 with CA and that's enough

[bronze terrace]

Yeah idk but usually this guy isn’t dumb

[turbid vale]

Worse thing with that is ur playing a not as meta but still meta adjacent build so ur shit is gonna be expensive

[bronze terrace]

True

[turbid vale]

Don't get the usual benefits of being off meta

[sly sentinel]

anything poison is gonna be meta this league

[bronze terrace]

Can’t wait to buy a 40 diviner covenant

[turbid vale]

It's like me playing exsang self cast in scourge

The benefit is u get all the crafting tec though

[gusty vessel]

i mean CA dodges having to use darkscorn

so it can be a bit cheaper

[sly sentinel]

darkscorn isn't even the expensive part

[bronze terrace]

He still used it in his pob

[gusty vessel]

since you will craft TR bow for it

[sly sentinel]

it'll be the covenant

[gusty vessel]

ok thats troll then

[bronze terrace]

Tbf it’s just his thought on stream

He didn’t release pob yet

[gusty vessel]

tho i guess with covenant you dont want your main setup on bow

but i still think it should be better to use TR bow for the ballista

[sly sentinel]

isn't TR bow craft gonna be more expensive now

[gusty vessel]

it should be cheaper

old cost was 6ex just for meta crafts

[sly sentinel]

now it's 6 divines?

[bronze terrace]

That’s actually my main reason I think about spark bc stuff gonna be cheaper and I would finally have a tanky league starter

[gusty vessel]

you had to slam it aswell

so that would have been 7 ex

now its 6 divines for meta crafts

and cheaper slam

i think

[sly sentinel]

divines might be a lot more expensive than ex used to be tho

[gusty vessel]

ye its still cheaper

cos +2 support should stay costing ex instead of divines

the total craft cost was like 10-12ex iirc

for a end game TR bow

[turbid vale]

Can't wait to farm 20 fusings this league

[sly sentinel]

https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/1559643002171445248

Path of Exile (@pathofexile)

In Lake of Kalandra, the item you received the most recent whisper for is highlighted in its stash tab.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 16, 2022, 8:47 PM

[turbid vale]

So I guess 6ls are gonna become reallt cheap as league goes on now

Corrupted 6l I mean

[gusty vessel]

so you have 3 div for forced +1 socketed gems, then 2 div for 2nd multi mod, +2 support for 2 ex and then not atk speed, chaos dot multi kek

[turbid vale]

No more divine to hold value

[gusty vessel]

ye should be way cheaper in total to craft the end game TR bow

if im not misremembering something

[sly sentinel]

@gusty vessel u saw they moved Arcing Blows on the tree?

[gusty vessel]

ye

the new nodes where arcing blows was are fking giga for ls

and its reachable with trickster

which is

[bronze terrace]

Are you just gonna run helix into LS trickster?

[turbid vale]

ls

[sacred lily]

LS is goated, dont play it

[turbid vale]

is the trickster stuff updated on pob

[sly sentinel]

yes

[turbid vale]

if yes what is ls trickster supposed to take im trying to look at tunas thing

when i imported it looked like this

[soft barn]

polymath, soul drinker and action speed I would assume

Some builds might do suppress over drinker

[turbid vale]

that feels like a questionable use of 2 ascendency points to me

[soft barn]

Yeah I dont rate it

[turbid vale]

like really early on i could see it though

definitely not ideal

[sly sentinel]

souldrinker is nice tho

[soft barn]

But if you're not playing CI then drinker aint ideal either

[turbid vale]

polymath and this action speed node are so sick

[sly sentinel]

you don't even need a lot of ci no?

[soft barn]

Drinker is hard pog

[sly sentinel]

just a bit

[turbid vale]

am i playing trickster wtf

[sly sentinel]

to get the attack speed

[soft barn]

If you have ES overleech

It feels so wrong to me to not go CI idk

[sly sentinel]

well ES sucks in general tho

compared to life

[soft barn]

And you have escape artist too for giga EHP

[sly sentinel]

just grap a bit of ES to get the benefits then bunch of life

[soft barn]

Whats even better about life here

[turbid vale]

whats highest evasion base

[soft barn]

Sadist garb if you're playing CI

assassins garb if not

[turbid vale]

ok so

[sacred lily]

exactly

[sly sentinel]

life is just a lot easier to aquire on gear

[turbid vale]

i feel like the new trickster nodes

polymath and one step ahead seem insane, and then the rest seems meh

[soft barn]

Life needs much more investment on tree

[sacred lily]

spellbreaker is way better than you think

[soft barn]

And escape artist makes the gearing much simpler

[gusty vessel]

https://pobb.in/871TTQCXVot8 just do something like this

[sly sentinel]

one step ahead is overrated

[sacred lily]

escape artist is a necessity

[turbid vale]

bc of the energy shield recharge u think? or what

[sly sentinel]

it's literally just 8% dmg

[turbid vale]

yeah if ur a robot

[sacred lily]

im easily taking this on my LS trickster

[turbid vale]

thats all it is

[soft barn]

It is good yeah but with the tree buffs I dont think right side tree needs any help to cap

[sacred lily]

i'll get tailwind on boots anyway

[sly sentinel]

it's good for selfcurse, but it's not insane

[turbid vale]

action speed feels far better than 8% damage

doesn't matter if its only actually 8% dmg

it just feels good

[soft barn]

I'll be taking action speed I think

[sly sentinel]

yeah you'll take it obviously, but it's not as nutty as people think it is

[soft barn]

Being able to be slowed by vines and only vines sounds comfy to me

[turbid vale]

does it not stack with the eldritch mod on boots as well or how does that work

[bronze terrace]

Not slowing down is pretty based

[soft barn]

No

[bronze terrace]

I’ll leaguestart a trickster fuck it

[soft barn]

This is a minimum so if you have more than 8%

[turbid vale]

the most based thing i played with ever was the scourge mod where ur action speed couldnt be reduced below x amount

but this is cool too

[soft barn]

Then the node does nothing

[turbid vale]

ah thats tragic

[soft barn]

This was so good for deli farming

But I guess that wont be a thing this league

The same way

[turbid vale]

im just looking at tunas pob and it has ghost shroud and only 350 es which i'd probs try to get up to 500 or something personally

and that spellbreaker node does not seem that great to me with those ES values

[sly sentinel]

why not

the es values makes no difference

you just need ES

[turbid vale]

i dont understand

[bronze terrace]

That looks pretty juicy

[turbid vale]

how does more ES not make more constantly regenning ES more valuable

and less ES less valuable

[sacred lily]

even if its only 350 es, you're gonna leech it up to full all the time and it'll enable soul drinker attack speed

[sly sentinel]

because all the good bonuses are on full ES or on leeching ES

it doesnt matter if u have 1 or 10k

you just need some

[turbid vale]

i typed spell breaker

did i not

[bronze terrace]

[sly sentinel]

yeah, you take spellbreaker for the suppress

not for the recharge

[sacred lily]

this is way better than you seem to think it is

[gusty vessel]

ye its insane node

but i much prefer the chill/slow immunity to start with

[turbid vale]

but if ur ghost shroud is popping ur ES to full anyways and u have ES leech as u guys said what is that evendoing

[sacred lily]

One Step Ahead is bait, the +2 frenzy charges has more value

[gusty vessel]

when i craft ailment immune gear with boots and chest i will swap out of one step

[sly sentinel]

Soul drinker lets you leech even at full ES. so you're just perma gaining 20% attack speed

[turbid vale]

im talking about spell breaker man

[sly sentinel]

spellbreaker is flat 20%

[turbid vale]

i get that soul drinker is good

[sly sentinel]

suppress will be a lot harder to max this league

[gusty vessel]

its really not

shuddie

[sly sentinel]

i said its harder

u cant argue against that

[gusty vessel]

you can max spell sup with just passive nodes

[bronze terrace]

Yeah but did you know it lets you leech es?

[gusty vessel]

its easier imo

[soft barn]

If you're right side tree its really not that hard

[turbid vale]

as LS u path by both spell suppress wheels and are close to even more spell suppress

[sly sentinel]

left side is giga scuffed

for suppress

[soft barn]

Good thing we aint left side xd

[bronze terrace]

Oh god I see myself playing another league of LS

[soft barn]

But capped suppress is gonna be aids for inquis

Like such a big investment

[turbid vale]

one of the wheels is a near required take anyways as its a good lethal pride spot with the good mastery, though if u can lethal pride higher and then take the 3 point wheel instead if u dont need it as much to get +2 points

[sly sentinel]

i don't see the appeal of trickster imo, unless you're doing something fun like selfcurse

[gusty vessel]

its just easy way to get super tanky shuddie

[turbid vale]

but even the little 13% spot is pretty valuable LS for pathing

[sacred lily]

10% extra suppressed magic dmg = 20% increased magic damage mitigation + less spell suppression to get on gear

[bronze terrace]

It’s basically like champ LS or

[soft barn]

Is it bad that one of the main things I want from trickster is mistwalker? xd

[sly sentinel]

even for ls, you were facetanking deli mirrors with the stupid amounts of life gain on hit

as raider

[soft barn]

Its champion but different ye

[bronze terrace]

Yeah

[gusty vessel]

its not bad shooty

[soft barn]

Just a comfy af, tanky boi

[gusty vessel]

im going to do same

[bronze terrace]

I loved champ LS tbh

[gusty vessel]

cos that dam increase is nuts

[soft barn]

Man mistwalker gonna be so fucking expensive

[sacred lily]

this is what Spellbreaker gives you among other things

20% additional magic mitigation is wild

on top of the rest that it gives

[sly sentinel]

that's a really weird way to word it

it's 10% of the initial hit, but 20% higher than the mitigated dmg without spellbreaker

[soft barn]

Trickster will be functionally immortal during mapping anyway, soon as you have stun immune 8-10% life gain on kill is beyond broken

Remember old cinderswallow? Its 3x that

[sly sentinel]

immortal? bet GGG has something in store for us

we'll all die

[bronze terrace]

Why wouldn’t you start helix tho if you wanna switch over to LS? @gusty vessel

[sacred lily]

yes because you mitigate 50%

[gusty vessel]

i will start helix?

[sly sentinel]

i know

[bronze terrace]

Oh you posting that shield crush thing so often I thought you start that

[soft barn]

Helix shmeelix

[bronze terrace]

[gusty vessel]

thats the build i will go after ls since it needs gear

na you can't play shield crush without good shield

[soft barn]

You're gonna use a 1alc unique though

[gusty vessel]

like you really, really need like 2k+ armor shield

[sly sentinel]

i've seen quite a few shield crush starters

[gusty vessel]

not as physical one shooty

[sly sentinel]

for this league

[soft barn]

It has 1.8k armour

[gusty vessel]

for SST you will use the 1 alc unique shield

or cold convert shield crush

[turbid vale]

i dont play ES builds but to me in LS it just seems like the only value its giving is magic dmg mitigation (at full energy shield only) which could be cool, i don't like restrictions like must be full hp personally
and then it gives that energy shield recharge which sounds low value to me at low es considering all the ES leech and ghost shroud
and then 20% spell supp which is nice for gear freedom,
so personally i'd just boil that down to some gear freedom which is not exactly an exciting ascendency node when u can compare it to raider having 40% spell supp with phasing and 50% ailment avoidance with exposure

[soft barn]

You can 100% play a shield build as soon as you get that shield

And then take time to make a giga one

[sly sentinel]

you can leaguestart poison shield crush or cold shield crush

[sacred lily]

so i can get 20% flat spell suppression, 20% increased magic damage mitigation and basically constant ES regen (you're suppressing spell dmg all the time) from a single notable. That sounds way way better than 108% action speed minimum.
Means I can take less spell suppression on gear, making gearing easier, and I have a stupid amount of defensives from 1 ascendancy point, meaning I can more comfortably spec into damage elsewhere (gear or the tree).

It's a really good node

[turbid vale]

yeah might be better than one step ahead but still seems directly comparable to those raider nodes and thus not that exciting

[sly sentinel]

tanky asc is boring

[sacred lily]

and I can just buy elevated tailwind boots or whatever after a few days

[sly sentinel]

ranger for life

[turbid vale]

which was the whole point from teh beginning that polymath seems exciting and the action speed imo, and the others not so much

maybe soul drinker should be considered exciting though

[sly sentinel]

it making you tanky is boring, it should add some spice

hence the selfcurse

other than that,

[turbid vale]

if it was 40% spell supp id be pogging out my chair at it

gear freedom nodes are dope, 20% just isn't that much relatively

[gusty vessel]

i just realised how stupid kintsugi will be with trickster

2.1k evasion and almost 700 ES

[turbid vale]

i dont understand why the ES regen is valuable if u already are ES leeching a lot though, and dont u need to scale ES recharge rate? or is that not a thing and im misremembering

[soft barn]

Ok so I just took a giga tricked out int wander from last league

Changed it from raider to new trickster

Gained 5% dps and 25% ehp without even changing the tree or any armour bases xd

[turbid vale]

tricked out lol!!

[soft barn]

xxdddd

[sly sentinel]

how much movement speed did you lose

[turbid vale]

1000%

[soft barn]

Not sure what it was before

[sly sentinel]

raiders are usually more for zooming than giga damage

[soft barn]

Its 152% now

[sly sentinel]

also if it's giga high budget it makes sense

raider gives you a lot of early power

on a low budget

same reason raider ls is so good compared to how cheap it is to get going even in juicy maps

[turbid vale]

think champ is better on lower budget ngl

[gusty vessel]

it wont be after the changes in 3.19

can't get free aura

and still reliant on the belt

[turbid vale]

whats the aura change?

[gusty vessel]

can't do divine aura

from life

[soft barn]

Champ has also been stale as fuck for 5+ leagues

Booooring

[turbid vale]

o really? that nerfs me too

back to totem cuck

[soft barn]

[turbid vale]

yeah i mean i heavily prefer raider at every point bc i just like zoomin and stacking frenzies

but champ at least last league just got so much power from slapping in perseverence and raider meanwhile had to try to find its levels/items for frenzies

so i think champ spikes earlier than raider for sure

[sly sentinel]

tuna's champ vs raider LS is basically identical

raider has 50% more movement speed tho

[bronze terrace]

My champ last league felt almost more powerful than my mageblood raider version

[sly sentinel]

dps and ehp about the same

[soft barn]

Perseverance will really miss defiance banner

[turbid vale]

o thats annoying but probably good for the game

[sly sentinel]

didn't people hate champ cuz they had to press anger?

[turbid vale]

are these low budget ur talking about?

bc i was just trying to compare based on that statement not based on overall

[sly sentinel]

ye, it's based off the leaguestarter pob's

[turbid vale]

he has them as level 100 though...

and its updated for new league seemingly based off of the auras

level 100 benefits raider like a ton

o its 95 i see i was looking at the wrong spot

thats probably more fair still kinda raider beneficial but u should be around 95 by the time u swap if ur not dying a lot

also idk why they would hate champ for that reason

on raider its same amount of buttons but instead of aura u have to press totem

[bronze terrace]

Yeah idk either

[turbid vale]

[bronze terrace]

Was totally fine to bless anger

[turbid vale]

or u just replace ur totem with an aura like a giga chad and its the same

[sly sentinel]

i just like ranger in general cuz i can keep rerolling to builds i like

[gusty vessel]

i mean champ had the totem aswell blake

[sly sentinel]

[turbid vale]

ur not understanding me

raider is 2 totems or 1 totem + aura, champ is 1 totem + aura no or

[soft barn]

Oh boy I love using 2 totems and vaal totems and blessing and VLS before I'm allowed to hit a boss

[turbid vale]

so same buttons

[bronze terrace]

Yes

[gusty vessel]

i was running 1 totem no aura

[turbid vale]

1 totem remains constant, the variable is whether u do 2nd totem or aura

[gusty vessel]

[turbid vale]

yeah which is just u being inefficient in order for ur game to feel better to play which is fine but not entirely relevant

[bronze terrace]

Not sure what I had on my raider

[turbid vale]

raider could choose to drop a button and it doesnt hurt them as much as it hurt champ thats very true

[gusty vessel]

i didnt want to bother playing around reflect maps

i was running 3 link whirling

[bronze terrace]

[stiff pagoda]

What does the playstyle of ls fe? Since you have to position correctly

[bronze terrace]

It really wasn’t bad tho

[turbid vale]

u dont really

[bronze terrace]

Didn’t feel like a huge setup

LS is just a nice skill

[sly sentinel]

i've only played ls for a few maps, but i don't get the hype around it. the fact it doesn't chain and leaves stragglers feel so bad to me

[turbid vale]

u only need to position correctly on things with a ton of hp and its literally as simple as be slightly off of them or put ur cursor slightly off of them

[stiff pagoda]

Okies

[turbid vale]

i've never played LS with my screen clear being low enough for stragglers to be an issue

especially with VLS clearing ur entire screen whenever u choose to drop one

[sly sentinel]

ye vls feels good

also throws me off cuz i lowkey feel like ls is ranged, but i run melee range

[turbid vale]

if anything when i was CF glad it was more common for a straggler in the form of a big beyond boss to get left behind bc of it not dying to pops/me not noticing or just having a ton of hp vs LS just melting everything in sight

u can totally play LS purely as ranged in maps

[sly sentinel]

why do streamers love fyregrass so much

[turbid vale]

also in comparing the 2 in tunas pob the actual max hit of phys is quite funny

[sly sentinel]

he has so many dumb takes

[turbid vale]

bc fyregrass generally provides really useful info and gets undue hate for 1 bad league/guide

[stiff pagoda]

Ok 2 weeks of Poe for me. Then wotlk fresh

[sly sentinel]

his take atm is that pathfinder for poison sucks and poison prolif is useless

so hes going raider SA

[bronze terrace]

Gotta level my DK still

[stiff pagoda]

30th is launch

[turbid vale]

poison prolif has felt underwhelming to me as well ngl idrk about the rest of that

[sly sentinel]

it depends on what you expect out of it

[turbid vale]

people played toxic rain on raider so

its not like its entirely wrong to play not pathfinder as a ranger poison

[sly sentinel]

poison prolif isn't a giga chaining skill, it's a rare and unique mob melter

[turbid vale]

what if we go raider and we flesh thingies poison prolif

[sly sentinel]

that was the question to which he said no, it sucks

[turbid vale]

well yeah but it doesn't matter if he thinks it sucks

thats like some ppl think profane bloom is overrated

tuna for example

[sly sentinel]

that makes more sense tho

depends on content u do i guess

[turbid vale]

depends on content and tunas reasoning was that its just the worst kind of chaining bc it cant chain off of itself

pops that 1 shot wont spread curse to then pop off the pop or something like that

[sly sentinel]

reason why poison prolif is good isn't cuz of the clear it gives, it's cuz of how it'll density spread to rares around packs, which will arguably be even better now

cuz you'll straight up just one shot the archnemesis rares

the higher density, the more poisons spread to tanky targets in packs

[turbid vale]

so it beings

[sly sentinel]

they spent like 3 weeks last league finding out how to buff headhunter again

only to make it garbage again this league

they even removed the atlas node for more rares

[turbid vale]

@soft barn wait so this means ur action speed CANNOT go below 108% right

[soft barn]

Yep

[turbid vale]

so like

delirium slow puddles

[soft barn]

Like the boots from scourge

[turbid vale]

legit nothing happens to u

[soft barn]

But 108%

instead of 77%

[turbid vale]

yeah teh boots from scourge but 108 instead of 60-80

[soft barn]

Ye

[turbid vale]

ok i dont give a fuck that node is incredible

i will accept 0 other opinions though u are allowed to have them

[soft barn]

So immune to chill temp freeze deli puddles

[sly sentinel]

and temp chains

[turbid vale]

if ur not doing deli content i could see not loving the node but if ur running deli

[soft barn]

I said temp xd

[turbid vale]

that node is the best of any node ever

[sly sentinel]

right

[soft barn]

I mean yeah its not gonna always be relevant

But when it is

It really fucking is

[turbid vale]

yeah i can see me being biased towards it bc of the amount of deli/simu content i do typically

but for the way i play the game god dam thats a sick node

[soft barn]

Deli farm is gonna need so many sextants though

[turbid vale]

i would bet 70% of my deaths in any given league are avoided by min 108 action speed

[soft barn]

Agree with that ye

[turbid vale]

the feel factor is also through the roof dam thats sick

mybe im a trickster

wait ok im confused

what did they do to spell supp in 3.19

make the gear rolls lower but the tree stuff is higher?

[soft barn]

Yes

[turbid vale]

good time to be a rightside of the tree boy

[soft barn]

Yee

I dont think you can go wrong with shadow or ranger this leauge

Pretty much whatever you play

As long as you're not dabbi

🕙

[turbid vale]

i missed another pathign node that got buffed by 3% also

[sweet eagle]

man they did some server restart when I'm practicing leveling

[turbid vale]

yeah i was trying to set up a scourge arrow guy on standard as well

[turbid vale]

is this in range

also reddit is hella overrating that node for ls wat

[coral pollen]

Don't think so

[turbid vale]

i see

[coral pollen]

Iirc the line has to go over the center of the notable

[turbid vale]

i dont get why there is a massive reddit post about this then

LS has like infinite 1.7% per point or higher options already anyways

[coral pollen]

U tell me

[turbid vale]

maybe its way better for non omni ls

[coral pollen]

Maybe I'm the one

[turbid vale]

i'll check a non omni and if its not poggers im gonna assume reddit DUMB

ok its not poggers

[coral pollen]

Like do they lack critical information

[turbid vale]

i assume they just see like

[coral pollen]

And assume people are going lightning conversion or some shit

[turbid vale]

lightning attack skills = poggers for LIGHTNING strike

[gusty vessel]

Theres actually huge node where arcing used to be

15% max shock from mastery while getting crit multi and crit chance

[turbid vale]

its almost as good with a million travel points

[gusty vessel]

Bit iffy to path on raider

[turbid vale]

(this isnt including the mastery ofc)

[gusty vessel]

But doable on trickster

[coral pollen]

Yea if anything ig it's the mastery?

[turbid vale]

ye i didnt see or considering the lightning mastery bc of my jewel hiding it

[coral pollen]

Maybe I'm just

[turbid vale]

but also idont think ur really maxing out ur shock on most builds on the content that max dps matters

[gusty vessel]

I mean my armor stacker could probs use that node

[turbid vale]

yeah if u can max ur shock then its good

[gusty vessel]

Since im hitting 50 shock on pinnacles

[turbid vale]

if u can max ur shock its 3.8% per node for LS

which im pretty skeptical any standard LS build would be doing that on a boss but if u could then yeah its a good node and reddit is right

also why do u think the old arcing spot is better for trickster

the trickster pob i saw didnt go any further north than raider does/can

not past ghost dance basically

[gusty vessel]

Im pathing to influence on mine

[turbid vale]

thats reasonable yeah

[gusty vessel]

So its not that far away

[turbid vale]

makes taking influence feel a lot less bad as well

[gusty vessel]

Ye

[turbid vale]

that big travel is being eaten by 2 great wheels instead of just 1

[gusty vessel]

Just need to test if i can max shock tho

[turbid vale]

for sure yeah

does anyone remember the reddit post related to turning some setting off in nvidia or files or something to do with sound

i remember seeing it and decided i would worry about it later but now i cant find it

[gusty vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ei3d1u/performance_tip_you_can_actually_reap_the_nosound/ this?

[turbid vale]

it was deff nvidia related and more recent than that but i will try that as well

[gusty vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/vge8e6/disable_this_setting_and_my_fps_went_up_to_100/ ?

Idk that one sounds wierd

[turbid vale]

that was the one yeah

i remember it sounding too good to be true

[gusty vessel]

Simple enough to test

[turbid vale]

ye im gonna test rn hopefully

just have to set up some juice

[gusty vessel]

Tho if you do use your speakers on monitors/ whatever screen your pc is connected with hdmi/dp, that disables sound through them

[turbid vale]

i dont but i was wondering what it actually did

ah wtf

delirium isnt on atlas and i have no watchstones on standard somehow

[coral pollen]

wat

[turbid vale]

wait i can just use orbs probably

[coral pollen]

oh

you can reclaim watchstones at kirac usually

[turbid vale]

idk its just not here and it only gave me 65 pts

o ok

saved

ok i just rolled like 120 sextants and didnt hit a mirror so i give up and use deli orbs

[gusty vessel]

Oof

[turbid vale]

ok well i tried a 5 orb map and it was pretty lag free

[coral pollen]

[turbid vale]

need to test with the things reenabled though

was like 5 fps worse with the setting off but still pretty lag free

my poe performance just seems randomly better in juice with no changes outside of driver updates since last league

[gusty vessel]

Well they did make alot of performance related updates during the league for dx12 atleast iirc

[turbid vale]

i do be on directx12

thats pog

[stiff pagoda]

Cute dog did a video like 2 years ago about this

[turbid vale]

looks like his video was on the one that xvz found

[stiff pagoda]

👍

[turbid vale]

not sure i'll gain all that much from that but i tried it as well

just muted the music/ambient noise stuff

didnt want to mute dialogue or chat alerts

@coral pollen https://pobb.in/TQMTRFia

got linked this

[coral pollen]

I'll look at it later ig

[turbid vale]

not exactly what ur doin but might be worth lookin at yeah

[coral pollen]

why does it just look like that build has everything

how much currency is that even on

[turbid vale]

oh no clue but probably end game

i dont even know who made this ngl

[coral pollen]

[stiff pagoda]

Everyones builds locked in yet? Good

[stiff pagoda]

https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/1559730971850973184?t=zGyMiiPIjyfWtoEEwDogzw&s=19

Path of Exile (@pathofexile)

After further review of Lightning Conduit, we're making the tough call of adjusting its balance away from the values revealed in the gem post. We've lowered the base hit damage while slightly raising the shock scaling to reduce its power with builds that have low shock investment

Twitter · Aug 17, 2022, 2:36 AM

[stoic agate]

jungroan snitched

[royal ermine]

Bitch

[cursive scaffold]

classic jungroan

[soft barn]

Bruh this is the hardest time I've had picking a build in years

[stiff pagoda]

What's your options today?

[royal ermine]

We going hard @mossy moss !?!?!

[bronze terrace]

Maybe I’ll miss this league bc I can’t decide on a starter

[mossy moss]

[stiff pagoda]

DONT TALK LIKE THAT

[bronze terrace]

It’s actually hard this time

[sweet eagle]

these gems are pretty good

[sacred lily]

yeah

they're batchesting

people are also batchesting about the non-crit lightning damage being lucky

on a build that gets to 100% crit pretty comfortably

sure, very very nice for leveling

LS has far better nodes than that one, per point invested

i'm not gonna path to it, or i'd have to ditch the chaos res cluster, which I won't

I don't need damage on LS, I want defensives to do all content

[gusty vessel]

Ye i dont get the arcing blows hype, the other set of nodes are nutty tho if you can max shock and can path close to it anyways

[bronze terrace]

[sacred lily]

what bait lmao

it's guaranteed to work

the only caveat is that it takes levels for the damage amp of Polymath to come online, if people are aware of that then there's literally 0 bait in VLS Trickster.

ah i get it now

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3186978

he's trying to push his Raider build

CWDT portal on a LS Raider

[bronze terrace]

[sacred lily]

you've got 0 sockets left to mess around with

or you drop Anger and take Grace and Defiance Banner

works just fine

and maybe you dont need a CoD Portal link then

and admits himself that he doesnt min max his builds

PoE build creators/content creators are such a toxic bunch it's insane

[bronze terrace]

hm kobes venom gyre deadeye starter looks good too

did anyone ever play venom gyre?

[sacred lily]

I played it in 3.17, but only as a Berserker and evolution of my LS Zerker. Never played the Deadeye variant and definitely not as a starter.

[bronze terrace]

is it the playstyle fun tho?

[sacred lily]

Shotgunning your projectiles with whirling blades got really annoying after a while on bosses

for mapping and simulacrums and the likes it was crazy good

[bronze terrace]

yeah kobe said you should probably just socket helix in when bossing

sounds pretty good tho for general mapping

i may actually just start that

https://pobb.in/9Yg109Qs2Ab5

@soft barn pls approve this build

[mossy moss]

Approve this dick

[sly sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-peel-fruit-eyebrow-raise-gif-16360970

[bronze terrace]

approved member of the sub 2cm gang

[sly sentinel]

small pp

[bronze terrace]

ok think I am sold on the starter

tested some venom gyre on standard and it feels pretty good ngl

[sacred lily]

tbh i'm not insanely impressed by the numbers even in his lvl 100 cluster setup

4.8mil uber dps, not bad ofc and the gear isnt completely insane

defensives look okay'ish

[bronze terrace]

its a 400dps claw tbf

[sacred lily]

568.3 no?

ah 464 ele dps you're right

[bronze terrace]

tbh I have no idea how to calc venom gyre dps

[sacred lily]

i also wonder how PoB calculates Venom Gyre dmg

[bronze terrace]

like how many proj

[sacred lily]

does it calculate the outgoing and returning proj in a single DPS figure?

[bronze terrace]

no

its either

[sacred lily]

so if you're shotgunning properly it's double the DPS of PoB

[bronze terrace]

incoming is less dmg tho

[sacred lily]

is there any PoB magic

[bronze terrace]

but idk how many proj you can make hit

[sacred lily]

35 rage, not too esoteric

[bronze terrace]

just copy the skill setup

add it once with inc and once with out

[sacred lily]

it really is basically an LS Berserker but on a Venom Gyre Deadeye

[bronze terrace]

yeah and if SA is really broken like everyone says I could reroll pathfinder later

defensives look ok for deadeye

[sacred lily]

CoC whirling blades

[bronze terrace]

and you can just stay helix until you have enough dmg on VG

[sacred lily]

yeah

not worried about the progression

Helix does it all and people meme about it being shit

its a great skill, dont @ me

[bronze terrace]

it is

just not super great to play

[sacred lily]

I have a lot of faith in Kobe builds, his LS Zerker that got shit on by other LS content creators was by far my best character ever in 3.17

it was an insane build

[bronze terrace]

they shit on ls zerker?

thats the best ls build out there or

[sacred lily]

yeah Tuna especially was talking a lot of shit about Kobe's LS Zerker

in 3.16 and .17

then Rue picked it up for 3.18

and suddenly everyone's a fan

[bronze terrace]

[sacred lily]

I'd really like to start LS Trickster, but after the LC "nerfs" I think everyone and their mum is gonna be on LS

I might do this VG Deadeye as well

I played the skill before and it's pretty damn good

just never on a Deadeye

and only as a chaos str stacker

[bronze terrace]

Yeah I saw that and wanted to try it

But didn’t want to level a zerker

I hate leveling

ok unless I see a crazy build coming I'm gonna do the VG deadeye i think

[sacred lily]

it is basically the same tree as a right side LS

so not a big change in terms of what I prepped

[sly sentinel]

does anyone have a darkscorn

on standard

lol

oh wait i have one

wtf

i have a pre nerf one

[sacred lily]

one thing about Venom Gyre that I'm unsure of is that it scales really well with Brittle, and that one got hit hard

[bronze terrace]

he doesnt go for brittle or

[sacred lily]

not in the league start build

[royal ermine]

Sleep yes

[bronze terrace]

he also played one with omni last league

this dude loves VG

[sacred lily]

he's been trying to make VG work since 3.15 iirc

commendable

its a cool skill

[bronze terrace]

It looks like it’s not gonna have a huge ceiling tbh if you don’t go dex stacking or Omni

So probably gonna reroll a second build quite fast

[sacred lily]

thats fine

its still gonna be good enough to last for a week probably

then you have enough currency to pivot to some juicy build

if you want to stay and scale 1 build you can really only league start with LS I think

maybe RF as well if you like walking simulator gameplay

[bronze terrace]

And spark

I have seen some absurd spark chars

[sacred lily]

true

[bronze terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gfbhIMKXKs

[sweet eagle]

man I thought "more" was the same as effective damage in PoB for Sunder

but it was not, so I changed Sunder to lvl 29 and I lost a 1M dps in PoB

atleast GC seems to be better with Sunder than casting it myself

gonna level some more today and see how it feels

[bronze terrace]

why does he go CA instead SA tho

[sly sentinel]

hipster

[bronze terrace]

like blake said

you have the downsides of a mainstream build without the upsides

[sly sentinel]

he's CA

and trickster

[bronze terrace]

yes

[sly sentinel]

if ur not going PF u might aswell go raider

for zoom

[bronze terrace]

bc of the wither on CA it seems

[sly sentinel]

Withering touch?

oh you mean the alternate qual

idk i feel like the CA is just gonna have shit range

compared to something like SA which will just projectile everywhere

[bronze terrace]

alt qual and lab enchant

[sly sentinel]

i wouldn't mind playing SA without the ballista support

just to be a bit more lazy

[bronze terrace]

I mean his pob isnt looking to hot either tbh

[mossy moss]

Alt Qual and lab enchant starter

[sly sentinel]

can you scale totem cast speed

[mossy moss]

yes

[bronze terrace]

he is using withering step too

so he has wither up anyway

its just qol

[bronze terrace]

thats his endgame gear

thats the starter gear

[sly sentinel]

i tried SA balista a bit earlier

would be nice if the totems could charge a bit faster

[bronze terrace]

yeah that build isnt looking super pog sadly

[sly sentinel]

it didn't feel bad, except the fact i threw a bunch of shit together with lvl 1 gems and my dmg sucked

[bronze terrace]

ok he literally said the same thing

scourge arrow feels bad on ballista

bc it charges so long

so he goes CA

[sly sentinel]

yeah idk, looking at the gameplay in that vid

it literally just looks like poison concoction but you use totems

[bronze terrace]

https://youtu.be/_gfbhIMKXKs?t=2132

here is the timestamp

also I kinda hate no determ

[sacred lily]

well that's a bit of a mood killer :p omni and dex stacking are very valid scaling means, it's not abnormal that the build doesnt have 5 or so ways to scale its dmg to the nines

i still think you just make a Berserker and play the chaos str stacker as a second build if you're set on playing VG all league

but that means leveling again

[bronze terrace]

it seems end of last league ascendant was ahead of zerker

[sly sentinel]

like

[sacred lily]

what did ascendants play? wasnt it mostly cold squire build?

[sly sentinel]

CA with Volley

[bronze terrace]

but ye I never play only one skill a league

[sly sentinel]

is literally

poison concoction

[bronze terrace]

so doesnt matter for me

[sacred lily]

same

i play 2 builds per league mostly

a starter that I'd like to play for 2 weeks

[bronze terrace]

yeah 2....

[sacred lily]

and then a juicer

[sly sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23danGZ17b0&t=3s

legit the same

[sacred lily]

last time it was LS into FR Occy, before that LS into TS omni

[sly sentinel]

why not just self cast poison concoction

if ur going that route

[sacred lily]

I'm tempted to go VG just to not play LS, even though LS is probably a better build and more fun on its own

[bronze terrace]

yeah exactly

[sacred lily]

but I played it so often

[bronze terrace]

i played 3 ls chars last league alone

[sacred lily]

[bronze terrace]

so I am happy to not play it

[sacred lily]

last league was SSF for me, I missed 3 weeks on league start so cba doing trade with that

did EA Elementalist and a really poggies RF Inq

[royal ermine]

Man I really wanna go SA

[sacred lily]

then do it dabbi

[bronze terrace]

do it

[royal ermine]

But shuddie says its 5 button build

[sacred lily]

play what you think is cool

[bronze terrace]

how is it a 5 button build lol

[royal ermine]

Iidk

[sacred lily]

what 5 buttons?

like legit dabbi: play it

[bronze terrace]

freny and ballistas

[royal ermine]

Ii really wanna try sa never sone it

[sacred lily]

its looking insane

[royal ermine]

Yea

[sacred lily]

just maybe a bit too reliant on uniques for my taste

[royal ermine]

I might

[sacred lily]

league start as sth else

[bronze terrace]

covenant will be so expensive

[sacred lily]

and then swap to it after 4 or so days

[royal ermine]

I just wanna try amth new

U k lnow

[sacred lily]

once you have covenant and darkscorn

[mossy moss]

start pconc

[sly sentinel]

doesn't matter

[sacred lily]

follow your heart dabbi

[royal ermine]

P cock

Then sa

[sacred lily]

voila

[bronze terrace]

i mean yeah it doesnt matter its just a dmg boost

[sacred lily]

very good

now prepare that

make a cheat sheet

do a practice run

set up your bettertrading

[sly sentinel]

shit was busted even before the SA buff this league

[sacred lily]

and you'll feel great

[sly sentinel]

covenant is just extra

[bronze terrace]

but dmg is nice to have

[royal ermine]

I dont have time for pratice run

😭

[sacred lily]

ofc you do

stop shitposting here

[royal ermine]

No I'm at work

[sacred lily]

and get to running

[bronze terrace]

he is working

[royal ermine]

[bronze terrace]

I could do a helix test run today

[royal ermine]

When I get home I gotta cook feed take bath relax

[sacred lily]

get this if you dont have it yet

[royal ermine]

I do

[sacred lily]

and set up all your trade links

[royal ermine]

Its giga

[sacred lily]

i did mine ytd

[bronze terrace]

yeah its great

[sacred lily]

very comfy

[royal ermine]

Sa it is then

[sacred lily]

also set up some general jewel searches

[sly sentinel]

can we start typing more than 2 words per line

[royal ermine]

Pew pew

[sly sentinel]

this shit is like twitch chat

[royal ermine]

Ok

Oki

Ok yes

[bronze terrace]

friend will start venom gyre too it seems so he is preparing the trade links

[sly sentinel]

tbf Nico

[sacred lily]

I did mine for LS, it's basically the same gear so I don't have to change much if I do play it.

[sly sentinel]

i think SA will feel a lot better when u get some gear, cuz you run 2x SA 6L

so you can mostly selfcast SA for clear

[bronze terrace]

yeah for sure

[sly sentinel]

and use totems for more tanky shit

[bronze terrace]

but the thing is if I go venom gyre I could easily reroll to SA if its really busted

without leveling again

[sly sentinel]

yeah i just mean in response to SA being slow on totems

[bronze terrace]

Yeah ofc

He also said in the video that it’s fine with more gear

He just doesn’t want to have it feeling bad on league start

[sly sentinel]

guess who was highest level day 1 last league

[bronze terrace]

Not me

[royal ermine]

Do I need 2 different like builds for sa then

[bronze terrace]

[sly sentinel]

belirs

[royal ermine]

Like league start pconx

Then when currency go sa

[bronze terrace]

Yeah

That’s what you do

Either pconc or helix

[royal ermine]

I need to check how helix is

[sly sentinel]

how do people level as pconc

or do they level with something else

[mossy moss]

?