Bee's & Marcy's Ideal Patch notes :D

[faint torrent]

that last for like 7 seconds right infront of it

[drifting skiff]

ah

[drifting skiff]

if someone pays attention tho they can reposition and just steal from the ebb when they use the ability

[faint torrent]

I mean maybe but also not being able to use ofb after a dive tech is a REALLY big nerf imo and just kind of makes low height dive teching impractical for the risk vs reward value

[storm haven]

why me get ping

[raw sable]

You ebb man

[storm haven]

tru i am ebb man

[raw sable]

Not what ham slot said

[storm haven]

it already does

[faint torrent]

iirc ebb pops out first then the gold ball then other people dragged in, you can tp everybody infront of the goal then just grab the gold and throw it away

[faint torrent]

no he means making it so it drains the actual bar

[raw sable]

Doesn't it just insta regen to fill after you cancel it tho?

[faint torrent]

rather than going up once cancelled

so you cant use ofb after diving

[raw sable]

No

I said that

But I was stupid

And I'm telling you to read what ham slot said

[faint torrent]

I mean ig thats a fine nerf but it'd also just get rid of sky ebb which sucks since sky ebb is fun

also how would it work after the actual burrow

[raw sable]

"Nerf lb would be fine but it sucks because winning every single match up is fun" Ah argument

[raw sable]

Just shorter time

[faint torrent]

no after like after the tp

[amber mortar]

Isn't sky ebb kind of useless

[raw sable]

Wouldn't change?

[faint torrent]

most of the time yeah

[storm haven]

ye

[faint torrent]

its usually way better to just be on the ground and play normally

[storm haven]

um idk

maybe

i like having a cooldown for it

like 5 secs till you can do it again

[faint torrent]

and its hard + inconsistent to steal from people from the sky

its fun to be in space tho

[raw sable]

Read what ham slot said

[storm haven]

maybe 5.5

[faint torrent]

that would also kill sky ebb :(

[amber mortar]

I like having diving drain bar like lb fly does

[faint torrent]

sky ebb is mostly good for shutting down clicks and LBs setting up for a deep MT but if they're smart they can avoid it

[grim badger]

what does BOMBA "SBD" mean

[drifting skiff]

silent but deadly

[storm haven]

ye

idk

[grim badger]

which is?

[amber mortar]

There's a bomba tech where you go light speed with like a 4 second setup

[drifting skiff]

wave dash onto the goop and grab a ball to go Mach fuck

[raw sable]

Hey guys what if

Don't nerf tiger

[drifting skiff]

no

not really

[faint torrent]

"hey guys what if we leave the character with the instant win button alone"

[raw sable]

Awh :c

But then Vail would play the game again

And vails cool

[amber mortar]

I think the tiger changes we did were dumb, what it really needs is any scoring potential

[faint torrent]

but think of the level 2s....

[raw sable]

So my idea?

[drifting skiff]

I feel like atm it’s a significantly worse dung

[raw sable]

Guys what if like

Asked people who actually played the beetled

[amber mortar]

Yup!

[raw sable]

What they think is good for the beetled

[faint torrent]

no thatd a terrible idea

[raw sable]

[faint torrent]

we should only ask people who play beetles that are hard countered by it

[raw sable]

Ok that's it potato beetle can't eat dung anymore

[faint torrent]

NOOOO

[raw sable]

Eat now just sits there and farts and shits ( @small gorge reference)

[faint torrent]

your idea was the ball tp thing if you hold it for long enough right?

[raw sable]

Yes

W remembering paxo

[small gorge]

Rude but I had dinner so wtv

[raw sable]

I gotta start using the tiger love heart more I get the feeling people think my messages are sarcastic

[faint torrent]

what if you made it so if you pressed Q during the throw it does it rather than a third level of charging

[raw sable]

Bro it's literally a quote you would repeat 😭😭

[drifting skiff]

what’d u have for dinner

[faint torrent]

that way you could do tping uncharged shots too

[small gorge]

Too lazy to think of what they're named in English

[faint torrent]

also @faint torrent BK wanted me to tell you he thinks you're braindead

[small gorge]

True

[raw sable]

Uhh nuin would probably slime me out of I suggested that

He still what's to mostly cater to new players

[drifting skiff]

btw axo, bk wants to call you braindead

[raw sable]

What are they named in italian

[faint torrent]

new players can't block basic shots anyways be so fr

[raw sable]

Yea ik tell nuin thay

[faint torrent]

also could make it use up an ability, either the ofb or the onb

[raw sable]

Twin I'm barely managing to ask for a buff

If I ask for more tiger gonna go to triple F tier

[raw sable]

That's already what it does...

I said it would do that

[faint torrent]

I'd say make it use the onb then make the windup for the onb faster so its not only good for shooting tp balls

[faint torrent]

I'm aware but it was to setup for my next message about the onb smh

[drifting skiff]

leaf, bk wants to dm you

[raw sable]

Ok

[drifting skiff]

(I wouldn’t trust it)

[raw sable]

Ok

He's been blocked since like January anyways

He can send whatever he wants I just won't read it

[drifting skiff]

I would trust that

[raw sable]

Uh what does that even mean

[faint torrent]

the little animation before you TP after using onb

shorten it

[raw sable]

Ok but wdym shooting tp balls

[faint torrent]

wouldnt make it much better in low level lobbies since new players dont react to it anyways

[faint torrent]

if you give the tp ball thing to the onb without buffing the regular onb nobody is gonna use the onb regularly

cuz its just a waste

[raw sable]

Ok...?

That's why I was giving it to the ofb

That one makes more sense anyways

Plus included in adding the passive is fixes for onb so it will actually be usable aswell

[faint torrent]

using the ofb instead of the onb while holding the ball seems a bit weird imo

[raw sable]

But you're not

It's not an ability press

It's tied to the shoot button only

[faint torrent]

thats... what I was suggesting with my version

make it an ability press while charging rather than a third layer of charge

[raw sable]

Yeah and yours is just an excuse to make it use the onb

Which is dumb

[faint torrent]

no? if its a third layer of charge it'll be predictable

[raw sable]

Yes it will but it also shoots through people straight inside net

So

It should be predictable?

[faint torrent]

thats... overpowered, leaf

[raw sable]

Their only option is headbutting the person

[raw sable]

THAT'S WHY IT'S ON A LONG CHARGE

twin just didn't read what I wrote istg

[faint torrent]

even so it still seems op if you come off from a lot of height

drop down from the sky tp the ball straight through them

[raw sable]

First of all no second of all that's why I wanted to hop on call with nuin to sort out potential problems with it

And what he'd be fine to use to fix them

But he refused

Like first of all

The tiger would have to get pretty close to goal

Second of all if the charge is long enough it need some crazy height that tiger doesn't have access to

Like just several things I need to discuss with nuin that could make this too broken

[faint torrent]

wouldnt this be third of all

[raw sable]

2 seperate messages just there was no text inbetween

[faint torrent]

also this would require a teammate so it's not as much of a balance issue but wouldn't there still be tiger going from height mt into goliath parrying straight up which is just free space height

[raw sable]

Like you could make it so if the tiger is too close the ball goes fully through the goal so the distance is even more precise

[raw sable]

Yes I did think about that and that's what I want to discuss

There's several options like making it so when its fully charged it just auto releases so there would be timing

There's just quite a couple things

[faint torrent]

I don't believe you thought about that

everybody knows beetleballers never think

[raw sable]

I'd just love if when(I say when as if it isn't an if) nuin adds this to the game I could playtest the feature until it works as a fair interaction between goalie and tiger

[raw sable]

I sat in my art exam for 2 hours without having any art to do I did NOTHING except think about this for that time

[amber mortar]

I don't want to read all this but I probably agree with whatever leaf is saying

[faint torrent]

💔

[raw sable]

@fluid coral if you can be asked read down from here so I don't have to rexplain all of this later

[raw sable]

Lol you probably shouldn't I'm a crazy person

[faint torrent]

I can't believe you'd agree with the person with hundreds of hours on tiger over the person who's played everything BUT tiger

[raw sable]

Pretty much just axo saying valid points and me trying to convince him that I will sort it out with nuin so it's not broken

Cause I've thought this shit through too much

My eyes are blurring

[rain sage]

The issue is that theres no time to react or prepare to be lazered

[fluid coral]

Hi

[amber mortar]

No not really

I've played a lot of 1s with bee and coilboy

[faint torrent]

I mean why should you be able to

[amber mortar]

If they immediately shoot before teleporting theyre far and get knocked away so you're at an advantage anyway

[raw sable]

Ello nuin

[rain sage]

The problem is their teammates can still take advantage

[amber mortar]

Why is that a problem

The support beetle should be able to support

And it's fun if you coordinate like that

[rain sage]

Sure, but you have an unreactable lazer thats crossmap and gives teammate repossession, and can clear goal and can goal keep.

[rain sage]

So much fun lowkey

[amber mortar]

It's just not unreactable

[rain sage]

But not for the victim

[amber mortar]

Like any good cyborg will teleport at least once before shooting

[raw sable]

I'm sorry for interipting you guys smart little debate but like you play goliath

You like

Snipe balls across the whole map

[amber mortar]

Aggro!! Goliath

[raw sable]

At faster than can be reacted to speeds

[rain sage]

Ye i want it nerfed

[raw sable]

Just saying

[rain sage]

Lol no?

[raw sable]

Oh ok good good just checking

[rain sage]

Cyb is hitscan

[raw sable]

Well no but you do have to be looking straight at the Goliath

[rain sage]

Ig

[raw sable]

If you're not paying attention you can't react in time

I know that sounds stupid

[rain sage]

We’re comparing adolf to stallin rn

[raw sable]

But you know what I mean

[amber mortar]

The ball being stunned like a second after you shoot it might be interesting

[raw sable]

Quick question do you know who Winston Churchill is

[rain sage]

You mean lady bug?

[rain sage]

Could be

[amber mortar]

Ladybug is mao Zedong, bomba is Winston Churchill

[raw sable]

No like a general question

Do you know of the historical figure Winston Churchill

[raw sable]

Did you read it nuin

[rain sage]

Yes

[raw sable]

Thank god we had an incident recently

[rain sage]

He was lowkey a chill guy

[raw sable]

Not really

[supple birch]

personally i would rather no dive tech for ebb and it be compensated with other buffs

[raw sable]

Oof that is not a popular opinion muel

[supple birch]

Im not a huge fan of everyone goes at the speed of light meta and i dont think it fits ebb personally

underground speed makes sense but i dont think above ground is as fitting

[raw sable]

That is true

[amber mortar]

Truth energy burst!!

[supple birch]

fair enough

[raw sable]

Tiger is unironically the slowest beetle in the game

Every other beetle has a way to go faster

[fluid coral]

Where

[raw sable]

The message I first replied to downwards

[fluid coral]

downwards?!

or up

[raw sable]

This one

[rain sage]

Fym?

[raw sable]

Smadour and cg did not know who that was

[amber mortar]

Isn't cg european

I guess spain

[raw sable]

Cg and I had an hour and half long debate on whether Winston Churchill was an important historical figure or just part of British history

[raw sable]

Yeah he spain

[raw sable]

Downwards

[amber mortar]

*spun

[fluid coral]

bruh

[raw sable]

Well not all the way

[fluid coral]

i need conciseness idk what im even looking at

im brain damaged please forgive me

so much to do

[raw sable]

Nw

[fluid coral]

launch in 2 months

[raw sable]

Atp we need to hop on call for ts twin

[fluid coral]

brain not work

brain dead

[raw sable]

Otherwise I will not be able to explain

[fluid coral]

ok we can

[raw sable]

In summary it's a passive for tiger

That i want to discuss with you

In terms of how to balance it

[raw sable]

Just tell me when

[fluid coral]

Riught cffiping now

[raw sable]

I'll try

[fluid coral]

right now

RIGHT NOW

[raw sable]

Lemme get my ass downstaies

[fluid coral]

what channel

[raw sable]

Idm

[fluid coral]

wtf

whats idm

[raw sable]

I don't mind

[fluid coral]

ok join 3v3 practice

[faint torrent]

I honestly agree but without dive tech the current ebb is not only weak but also really boring

I'd be fine with it being removed but I think EBB should be reworked to be underground MUCH more often

the digging beetle shouldnt be the best for flying but it also shouldnt be only able to be underground like 1/6th of the time

[wary agate]

Agreed with axos statemeny

also bring back goalie nabbing

good players can dodge it anyway lol

decent i should say

and if you just have someone else ready to take up the gk mantle when yours is stolen it makes no difference

i just think its fun tbh

[supple birch]

I very much agree

I like the idea of fast underground ebb

I dont like that dive tech is whats holding ebb together

[wary agate]

Truth nuke

It would be buns without it

[drifting skiff]

holy 1267 messages

[dreamy horizon]

you could say

earth boring.....

@tawdry trout do u like that joike was it good

[tawdry trout]

i did 10/10 joke

[dreamy horizon]

ty spikee

[drowsy cloak]

joke*

[hollow schooner]

yolk*

[light bobcat]

Popsicle yap in this post in inhumane

[dusty sage]

Bee and Marcys aids patch notes

[drifting skiff]

this kinda of died off but i want to know how people in here would feel about a click buff. I think onball's base height should be the height of super onball

this height

currently, click onball can just be matched with an upward headbutt

this severly limits your options after onball. you're basically forced to throw the ball up and headbutt grab it because a momentum transfer right out of it will simply get stolen, but if there is a ladybug or any other beetle that has air chal, you're pretty much fucked.

[drifting skiff]

maybe a little shorter

[faint torrent]

thats a bit too much

also clicks not really in need of a buff rn

[drifting skiff]

as host, click is genuine booty

click shots are slow af, the only thing it has is click launch and those are very easily interrupted out of an onball

[livid basin]

Look at Artemis tech

[drifting skiff]

ok so thats not a solution but it is insane

[opaque pulsar]

click is not booty at all bro 😭

like its pretty average

and it used to be considered like really good before

and it hasnt changed at all

so yknow its still pretty good

[drifting skiff]

it was considered good because no one knew anything about other beetles

click has been power crept to hell

[obtuse burrow]

onball buff way too good

mb a better or more interesting shockwave would be cool too

or some other way to buff the skill ceiling

[amber mortar]

Both abilities were nerfed and the universal headbutt buff was an indirect nerf

[opaque pulsar]

From playtest?

[amber mortar]

Yeah

[raw sable]

Uhh I don't think it should be that much but yeah a buff is good

[drifting skiff]

yeah I’m looking at it now

I think super onball is about 2 onballs

I think onball should be buffed to at least 1.5 of the current size

[drifting skiff]

yeah I was thinking about somehow buffing the knockback radius but it’s kind of hard to do without forcing click players into one specific position

[obtuse burrow]

I think making onball more interesting is probably the play

Idk how to do that though

Instant cast?

[light bobcat]

after two more months of gameplay this is what i think of this:
-Bombas trail definetely needed a nerf, since it is almost infinite. It would affect people who uses it without counciousness, but wouldnt really affect pros, so it remains the same pretty much.
Bomba not only needs a nerf in the sbd, he also needs a speed cap on how much speed he can gain from a goop, since #1505283072923271218 is a thing.

-Click really needs a buff with his on ball, since it doesnt really do much. It's height can be achieved with a normal headbutt grab and have too many frames to be able to fake shot in the net agaist good people.

-I really agree with the cyborgs nerfs.

-Dung not only needs a nerf with his onball, his off ball is demoniac, he needs it to be at least 10sec cooldown, do i would say:
10% less speed gain, 10 sec off ball, 20sec on ball.
This not only makes him more manageable, it makes him just good overrall rather than a speed demon (he would pretty much still do the same)

-With EBB I agree with all the nerfs, and i would also add a speed cap to the dive, just to avoid him going faster than a sbd, i think it is right, idk.

-Agree with firefly

-Since fungus got a buff, i would say keep it as it is with a slight nerf on his cooldowns from 12.5seconds -> 14seconds, and give him another onball like #1508923011892510900.

-Goliath is something i'm not reaaally sure, i would say that the self shield bash is broken, but it leads to some really cool techs, and he is not really that fast, so i would just agree with marcy's nerfs.

-Ladybug needs a nerf with his off ball, so i would give her more speed (like 20% faster maybe 15%) and increase her cooldown to 40s. The rest remains the same.

-Potato needs to get patched in so many ways, he can dupe balls, make an infinite ball, eat 4 balls if done correctly, i mean, he is just broken (in another way) so, just fix his bugs and apply the nerfs marcy said. EXCEPT for the knockback power strenght because that would

makes his bumpgrabs way more broken (if that is going to stay, obviously)

-I agree with rhino except for the off ball cancel, because he could rotate incredibly fast. If they REALLY want to do that, at least give it a cooldown, like 5 seconds before doing another off ball cancel. The rest i hardly agree with it.

-Hard agree with tiger.

-Weevil might also need a nerf on his off ball's ingravity, so i would give him 40% more weight with his on ball just to avoid him going as fast as he was instead of just putting a speed cap.

hope this reach you @amber mortar and @desert kettle :3

[raw sable]

Smth smth my tiger passive

Anyways I'mma be honest I was expecting to not like these changes but I really agree with yours

Good job ngl

[light bobcat]

ty

i finally understood marcy pov

many people might try to get me bc everything is a nerf on paper, but if you reaaaaaly look deep into it, everyone remains the same pretty much

[raw sable]

Nah

Everyone needs a nerf ngl

Except like tiger

Rhino

And click kind off

And rework for bungus instead of buff

[obtuse burrow]

after that game against hex and therian last night im having second thoughts about ff too tbh

it's so good at just preventing your opponents from carrying/doing well

[storm haven]

I don't think we need an ebb speed cap if we only have 2 dives

[obtuse burrow]

ebb highkey slow compared to the rest of the shit in game

*on a ball

[livid basin]

Dive transfers 💔

[raw sable]

...

"Tiger is the fastest creature compared to body weight"

Or body size idr

[obtuse burrow]

they're highkey slow

i mean far better than normal dive transfers but compared to weevil or lb its a lot more setup

[livid basin]

It's like the same setup as bomba's slip n slide

[obtuse burrow]

Yeah but it's not even close to as fast

Lowk i think ebb could be really good at reversals but I gotta figure out more CCW skate stuff

Rn it's just not that fast

[desert kettle]

yeah idk i dont agree with these patchnotes as much before. i agree with your takes therian

[faint torrent]

no?

with low ping bomba slip n slide is just use onb, drop ball and walk forward

https://medal.tv/games/beetleball/clips/mQHZ3HiWq2hJylFhN?invite=cr-MSxTTnAsMjU5MTcxNTA5&v=6

from the ground ebb dive takes twice the time and half of that you have to be basically not moving at all and slip n slide also provides more speed generally
(you can also do a low height mt into existing slippery puddle and do it with practically no setup)

[livid basin]

I meant time to setup but I've never seen this setup of slip n slide

[drifting skiff]

I only disagree with the dung nerfs, it definitely needs a nerf but I think that’s a bit harsh considering how hard it is to score with dung

[drifting skiff]

instant cast was in the playtest, idk how it worked then

[drifting skiff]

I’d say making it 1.5x higher or increasing the knockback range to where the particle effects actually are

[obtuse burrow]

Yeah but it'll still lack swag

Like click offball has swag

Click onball doesn't

[drifting skiff]

click onball is ass
click offball isn’t

[obtuse burrow]

I mean yeah but it also lacks swag

[drifting skiff]

also nuin could incorporate super onball to be actually intended

like if you jump and do onball it gives you a super onball height but if ur in the air it does normal height

[obtuse burrow]

Mb

But ur just adding one option

You need to allow the player to have infinite options

[drifting skiff]

uh

idk I was thinking about making the kb radius expand with the smaller ball you have but I feel like it’ll make having a gold ball feel like ass

maybe a small ball gives bigger kb but a large ball gives more height

[light bobcat]

It is not hard

It's just skill issues

I main dung

[drifting skiff]

do you go against good gks?

[light bobcat]

Yeah

I can definitely score on yeetblade and dizolver

Score on xeloks

Score on marcatee

Dung is mostly about baits and outpace

[light bobcat]

Ty

[obtuse burrow]

Highkey think potato should only be able to eat 2 balls

And they get a new onball when full

Something shnasty

[light bobcat]

Iiii wouldnt be really sure about that take

They just need to fix some bugs from potato

You can infinitely dupe ball ms in the net

And the oponent couldnt do anything about it

[faint torrent]

instant onb was REALLY strong in playtest

its part of the reason why click was the strongest in the game for a good while

[drifting skiff]

I don’t think instant onball is the fix here

I think increasing the height and maybe increasing the kb radius a little would be good

[faint torrent]

the height maybe a bit

could definitely use a kb radius buff with the onb

[shy nimbus]

If weevil off ball doesnt effect velocity that is already enough of a nerf in its self plus the fact that the speed isnt really to much of a problem. Its a 35 second cooldown that cant even really score, and can be countered just by being the the vicinity of the onball. the ability only feels broken in ones which is the case for most beetles only issue is the fact that you gain velocity from glide cancel.

[light bobcat]

I misstyped, i meant to nerf the off ball, bc it guves an ungravity effect, on picnic grants a grab with the first 2 balls if done correctly, and it guves insane speed with the hump tech

[shy nimbus]

hump tech has a start up(it takes it a minute to be able to go fast) and doesnt give you a perfect path to goal if you want to go fast. their are plenty other beetles that have unfair advantage's at the start and only on map isnt to much of a problem imo. wdym ungravity effect?

picnic thing is lowkey a reach

[light bobcat]

It reduces your weight when you spam q, you can get insanely far with a rhibos headbutt, or a cyborg shot

[shy nimbus]

yeah, ungravity would mean no gravity. i dont really see the issue. you can most of these things on lb or potato. its not really ground breaking and you usually dont have the time to do it in a team setting also isnt to useful unless at the start of a match.

[light bobcat]

Yeah, i misspelled that word, i didnt meant to say that

But weevil can go way further

And i still think that the way it reduces the weight is a lil broken

Plus it wouldnt really affect its max speed

It would just make it start slower

[drifting skiff]

currently the height is super annoying bc ur just matched by any beetle's headbutt

so the onball doesnt do anything

[faint torrent]

buffing the height noticeably makes reversals way faster cuz you can MT with much more speed, imo it'd be better to buff the kb radius so you can try to knock people back so they can't just steal

[shy nimbus]

yeah but thats not the problem, the slower start is what makes him balanced. If you make his start slower even slower it would jst make him feel like shit not really balance him. lb and dung (jst to name a few) can already steal it off of him pretty easily you would jst be giving them even more of an advantage that they already have.

[faint torrent]

that way it encourages smart play by both sides so the click doesn't just onb and you all of a sudden just can't catch them

[harsh otter]

Amber beetle would fix like half of these problems

[opaque pulsar]

q doesnt need a nerf, imo its canceling glide and wavedash that does

kyle tech is infinitely more boring and easy and gives you like the perfect amount of speed

[drifting skiff]

i think maybe just a little heigher than a regular headbutt would be fine

but i see what you mean

[light bobcat]

i mean, wavedash is getting hard nerfed/removed

[opaque pulsar]

removing q would damage weevil beyond repair bro

or i mean q cancelling

not removing q

[light bobcat]

i said giving it more weight

[opaque pulsar]

o

yeah maybe but it would still kinda suck with a slower q cancel

[light bobcat]

i would just make light speed and hump tech less speed/longer set up

it is my opinion, i dont really have played weevil that much

[opaque pulsar]

set up is def not the problem 😭 almost every beetle can counter a weevil set up

[light bobcat]

and this is only suggestions

(i had to state that)

[opaque pulsar]

if weevil slowed down while holding the winded ball after tech it would be a better nerf

[shy nimbus]

i literally said ts

[opaque pulsar]

because he really doesnt have that much speed fall off with a winded ball

[shy nimbus]

therain jst a hater

[opaque pulsar]

o

wow see weevil players know weevil best bro

[light bobcat]

i mean, it is obvious

i am a dung main

not a weevil main

[opaque pulsar]

and it would be like a pretty fair nerf too

[drifting skiff]

nah lets let nuin nerf it into the ground amiright??

[opaque pulsar]

not before lb bro

[shy nimbus]

lpebs im gonna stop you right there

we need to have a talk

[opaque pulsar]

Ok ok

like the talk where you finally give me the crown of top 1 weevil?

[slim crow]

gang

[harsh otter]

You wouldn’t survive a day against Amber beetle

[livid hazel]

packitup

❤️

[lament urchin]

Whether or not Nuin nerfs weevil would speak to his design philosophy as a whole because at the moment weevil kinda sucks in 3s, its only really oppressive in 2s and 1s which have never had an official tournament. I think nerfing weevil speed would be a mistake with how difficult it is to get the tech off it would essentially kill the class in 3s.

[raw sable]

Nuins philosophy with previous changes was "benefiting the new players cause he wanted more players on the game" So idk bro anything could happen

[livid basin]

I really think weevil should stay the way it is right now because like, yeah it's really fast but it's easy to intercept and has a 35 second cd.

[livid hazel]

wise words from a squid

[opaque pulsar]

yeah legit weevil is balanced people just dont know how to play against it as not many play it, no one is willing to learn and it is super unique

i havent had much problems with weevils in 2s or 1s apart from cheede

and usually it isnt speed that scores in me vs cheede

it was just general skill that won the game

as in regrabs or keeping ball possesion

literally 8 out of the 14 beetles have a way to disrupt weevil tech and some can do it from way afar

thats more than half, a beetle and a half from 2/3rd of the beetles

and the 4 beetles that cant hinder weevil tech are in positions that weevil is disadvantaged against

2 defender, fung and longhorn

[raw sable]

I'mma be real I've never seen someone complain about weevil

Might be me tho

[rustic shale]

Cheede WAS right!

[raw sable]

Huh?

[rustic shale]

he said the only person he think could complain about weevil was maybe leaf but he gave no reason why lol

[raw sable]

Oh that wasn't me

I need to word things better

[rustic shale]

oop

[raw sable]

I meant it might be a me thing that I haven't seen people complain about weevil

[rustic shale]

ahghghh

[raw sable]

I think weevil is fast

But balanced

Like all the other fast beetles it's bad for the game cause of wavedash

But besides that it's fine

[raw sable]

(And bomba slip and glide cause it's the same thing as using wavedash pretty much)

But yeah I think it's nice to have dung be fast and then weevil be aerial and fast but with more counterplay

It's a fun dynamic to the game

Bomba fits somewhere in between those

[rustic shale]

b-b-but despite the fact that it doesn't even use headbutt and gives the same amount of speed-d-d its totally balanced

[raw sable]

And shorter set up ngl

It's like 2 seconds of setup

And it's fluid motion

There's no stopping

[rustic shale]

oh yeah your right... and its aerial so you would have to be far more setup in posisitioning to counter once people start doing it...

[rustic shale]

maybe it'll be the next longhorn in ball control?

[raw sable]

Maybe 😭

Idk I made some one slightly crash out with bungus ball control today

Idk who

Might've been orange

It was kinda funny

[rustic shale]

oml i remember orange saying that bungus should not be buffed ever since i 1v1d em with it, just cause its a fun character

i just bungus stole once in a while

[opaque pulsar]

ive only seen new players or frustrated ranked players complain about weevil

a lot of frustrated ranked players

but they call everything aids so whatever

[rustic shale]

in ones it hurts goliath but thats just goliath not being able to deal with a reverser when it never has headbutt lol

[opaque pulsar]

yeah

the only change id see as somewhat acceptable would be old weevil but he would be pretty weak ig

longer harder tech set up for what weevil is now

he would be really weak like that i think tho

[livid basin]

I'll kill you

[livid hazel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/squid-nature

[livid basin]

Isn't that marcee's grandma that I killed?

[obtuse burrow]

I highkey hate weevil but that's bc in my 5th bb game ever moleguy shit on me and then called me dogshit and left

[raw sable]

Oof

Valid hatred ngl

[hard rover]

Big x can’t defend

[light bobcat]

Lol

[raw sable]

Oof that's uh

Not an acomplishment

Looking past my ongoing joke of hating on xelokz

He might genuinely be the worst gk out of every single good player

[rustic shale]

i remember meep being goalkeep as goliath and this is far too true cause xelokz no diffs meep in being worse at gk

absouletly was beautiful though that meep was goliath and i was bomba, so good fr

[opaque pulsar]

yall clearly havent seen me

https://medal.tv/games/beetleball/clips/mRBSO01LoM70LwAlU?invite=cr-MSwzUFosNDg2MTc1MDI0&v=15

[rustic shale]

wait ur right

we need a competition of xelokz vs lpebs at gk

[mild python]

https://tenor.com/view/tuff-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-homer-simpson-tuffaholic-gif-16018237484688283235

so we lying

[light bobcat]

XDDDDDDDDDD

i did scored twice against you in the 3v3 tourney