Everything and i mean EVERYTHING i want to change in Beetleball.

[golden kernel]

GENERAL CHANGES
- Wave dash needs patched

 - Edge rush needs patched (it will end the game when people get good at it)

 - Regrabs need removed or nerfed ("They are definitely skillful but they do make interactions at goal boring and less creative". not my words but this sums it up)

 - Sound of ball being made needs to be global (quality of life FUCKING PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE)

 - Tutorial should be broken down into multiple tutorials which should include a tutorial that explains ball spawns

                                                                                                                      CHARACTER CHANGES

Goliath
- Remove every single named and known off ball tech (chud bash, shield shot, voodoo tech etc everything, I know easier said than done)
- Buff off ball for defense

Lady Bug
- Off ball speed should be nerfed back to what it was before the buff and nerf

Please upvote if you agree with anything listed. more to be added, please ask why or how about any of these changes listed.

btw this is edge rush:https://medal.tv/games/beetleball/clips/miM5nqryJZ-Uzu0yq?invite=cr-MSx5ZWcsNTQ0NDAxNjM3&v=30

[lethal shale]

dung has nothing without flutter dash but I still completely understand

imo ofb needs to be reworked so you don’t lose all your speed instantly after the dash ends

[golden kernel]

ofb?

please upvote if you agree with anything

[deft pasture]

i love the snowman map 🙁

[lethal shale]

well that’s a demo demo baller thing

[golden kernel]

feels bad for map spacific tech

[deft pasture]

whats wrong with it

[golden kernel]

and also theres a lot of clutter

[deft pasture]

i like that

[lethal shale]

The starts are clunky too

[deft pasture]

Hud that shows how many gold balls are in play (quality of life)
also for this i find it funni when someone makes a secret ball lol

[lethal shale]

Other maps have glides down this one is weird and aligned horizontally

[golden kernel]

but as somone who deals with a secret ball its unfun. goalies have to wait in goal

[deft pasture]

Remove every single named and known off ball tech
interesting suggestion

[golden kernel]

its also a check for every player to have to remember how many balls are in play which is too much to think about

[deft pasture]

(i never played against goliath so idk)

[golden kernel]

as the person who made almost every one of them baring like 2 i think they should go

its tech slop

[deft pasture]

lmao

[golden kernel]

goliath with no tech is asss

goliath with tech is a knowledge check for the goalie

not fun

for anyone

please upvote

[deft pasture]

Off ball meter should be smaller and take longer to charge
it already takes 5 years to charge 😭

[golden kernel]

at the vary least with this thread i'd like to normalize the addition of balance and quality

[lethal shale]

no no no he cooked on that one

[deft pasture]

no please

it takes like 2 minutes to recharge 😭

[lethal shale]

ladybug is too good right now still no questions asked

[golden kernel]

lady bug has the best movment ability in the game in a movment soccor game

[deft pasture]

shorter isnt too bad ig

[ocean marten]

the nuclear option

[golden kernel]

lady bug is the best at air combat

[deft pasture]

yeah i love that

[golden kernel]

fr it needs to be done

[deft pasture]

cool freestyling is possible

[lethal shale]

infinite ball control

[deft pasture]

not infinite

bar runs out

like not that slow

i can only do like 5 loops

[golden kernel]

the bar running out should happen

[lethal shale]

Aggressive ball chase-y playstyle is encouraged

[deft pasture]

aerial freestyling

[golden kernel]

and the fact that good players can just have it forever by only using it when needed is a problem

[deft pasture]

is so cool

[deft pasture]

its not forever? what

[golden kernel]

instant flowstate that isnt earned is not cool

[deft pasture]

why not

[golden kernel]

just use it when needed

[deft pasture]

clips look best with ladybug

[golden kernel]

and play smart

[deft pasture]

yeah you cant stay in the air for that long tho

[golden kernel]

becuse lady bug is the best in the game and its not close

[lethal shale]

clips look boring when you know what lb can do

[deft pasture]

ladybug is the only beetle i find fun because you can stay in the air with the ball

for a decent amount of time

[ocean marten]

bomba is close

[golden kernel]

you can

[cobalt whale]

holy shi takes

[golden kernel]

close

ish

[deft pasture]

i dont like ground play at all

[cobalt whale]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[golden kernel]

what do you disagree with

[lethal shale]

play click then

or cyborg

[deft pasture]

you can only launch the ball like once up and you have to wait for it to fully recharge

and you cant really air dribble

ig theres skating

[lethal shale]

cyborg can stay in the air for a very long time

[deft pasture]

the ball can not the beetle

ok i mean

in like one direction

yes

[lethal shale]

And has some of the coolest clips imo

[whole linden]

about potato im sorry my entire ability is countered by a 6ball and the tempo being ruined isnt bad its just different and something you need to learn to playy againsed like every other beetle

[lethal shale]

this is true

[deft pasture]

instead of nerfing ladybug why not buff everything else

[golden kernel]

i dont want potato gutted so i didnt list anything spacific

[lethal shale]

But I will say potato bumming is just not good

[cobalt whale]

potato, dung, regrabs, hud for gold ball, snow map,

[golden kernel]

explain

[whole linden]

then dont say anyhting when you have no clue what your talking about

[deft pasture]

same bro lmao

[ocean marten]

flutter dash has got to be replaced by something, it cant stay

[golden kernel]

cheede i'll change the post if you got a good take

[fickle badge]

why

[cobalt whale]

nuin said he is nerfing it

[deft pasture]

aww

[golden kernel]

cheede i think you might have some good criticism

[lethal shale]

it doesn’t need nerfing it needs fixing

It just feels clunky

[fickle badge]

not realty

[cobalt whale]

he said he is making it an ability so no q flutter

but nerfing how fast

[golden kernel]

you removed your upvote ;-;

[deft pasture]

why is bro keeping track

[ocean marten]

oh where is this

[lethal shale]

personally I think losing control of your ability to change direction for a bit while moving super fast and then abruptly stopping is pretty clunky

[deft pasture]

i think ur suggestions are a little too critical

[golden kernel]

because the game needs some of these changes

[golden kernel]

because i like the game

love it

[deft pasture]

why remove stuff when u can add stuff to other things that balance it out

like dota

[golden kernel]

remove stuff that arent fun

[deft pasture]

everything is op

so nothing is op

[lethal shale]

overcrowded

wrong word but yk what I mean

keep it simple

[golden kernel]

The way i play goliath makes people rage quit.

it needs change

the way Marcatee regrabs makes noobs give up the game forever

[sharp mason]

brother no

don’t remove flutter dash wtf

[golden kernel]

whats wrong?

[golden kernel]

read up at Marcatee's take

it explains it

[deft pasture]

yeah it makes dung useless doesnt it

[whole linden]

the stuff you find unfun is either a skill issue or something that is not as bad as you think because many of these takes can be very detremental to entire playstyles that some people find fun so nuin needs to tread lightly

[deft pasture]

yeah

[lethal shale]

lb nerf still

[deft pasture]

hey 😠

i like flying

[golden kernel]

be more specific

list certain things and why they shouldnt be changed

[sharp mason]

i still don’t fully get it could you please explain it a bit more?

[lethal shale]

too bad other people like playing the game too

[deft pasture]

buff other beetles then

if ladybug gets nerfed its no longer fun

[lethal shale]

no the other beetles are fine

[golden kernel]

honestly the reason isnt fresh in my mind

cant remember

[ocean marten]

are you saying they need to add all of the ranked modes

[sharp mason]

also potato is fine, snow map is fine, just get good and regrabs aren’t a problem

[sharp mason]

brother 😭😭

[golden kernel]

i think adding and removing leaderboards is tilting

[lethal shale]

Potato is kinda 😬 rn

[golden kernel]

and it will get old fast

[fickle badge]

well i want something to grind for bud

[golden kernel]

fair

hmmm

[fickle badge]

why would i just hop off after getting high ranks and insuring my cosmetic

[sharp mason]

@ashen fiber @fierce night @hasty gate @mellow copper

[fickle badge]

why not get more cosmetics

and more grinding

[sharp mason]

please read ts

[ocean marten]

regrabs are too strong, idk how to nerf them but they overshadow every other skill thing

[golden kernel]

good point

dee thats the first good criticism ive gotten ty

[lethal shale]

welp if marca said it it has to be true

[whole linden]

such as the potato beetle ruining tempo is a skill issue. the huds arent needed if you have some game sense. goliath beetle you cant have your cake and eat it too it either needs a rework or a nuke. flutter dash is not that difficult to stop. snow man is fine you just need to learn it

[fickle badge]

holy glaze

[ocean marten]

w synf

[lethal shale]

I have some probs with this just cause I think potato has some issues rn and snowman map

[deft pasture]

i think snowman map should be improved not deleted

[whole linden]

the potato has issues but they arent what he mentioned

[ocean marten]

snowman is fine!!

[lethal shale]

for snowman map, it’s mainly just the imbalance in the bunny

[fickle badge]

snowman is literally ok

[ocean marten]

maybe the walls could be taller but like

[lethal shale]

The dung rolling off the one edge is weird

Otherwise it’s fine

[deft pasture]

in the snowman map is it normal to be launched at mach speed towards the dungs

at kickoff

cuz that always happens to me

i cant tell if its intended

[ocean marten]

you get boosted by teammates

[deft pasture]

ah

[golden kernel]

also as lady bug you get boosted faster

[deft pasture]

why does it only happen on snowman

[deft pasture]

AH

[golden kernel]

give me a upvote please :3

[whole linden]

begging like a chud

[deft pasture]

lol

[golden kernel]

yo im talking with cheede because he has opinions that he thinks are worth talking about

[whole linden]

mad for what

[lethal shale]

FOR POTATO - he still has a good bit of issues with ping/host reliant tech, and his gameplay feels weirdly unfair at times. Two potatoes at once being able to hold and store a entire gold ball only able to be stopped by being headbutted twice is bad, also the requirement to have a cracked ball when facing a Peetle goalie messes up the flow of the game a bit, but no more than something like rhino or ebb goalie

[whole linden]

other then the last part being a thing to learn how to play againsed and is a skill i agree compleatly

[ocean marten]

the difference with walling and potato is that you lose the ball

[deft pasture]

btw why is there no max elo range in ranked i dont wanna be playing against the equivalent of zen when there's 2 people in queue

[lethal shale]

Yeah I’m saying the last bit is no worse than ebb or rhino goalie

[deft pasture]

sometimes happens at non-peak hours

[whole linden]

fair

[deft pasture]

oh yeah i hate ebb goalie omg

[lethal shale]

That’s what I mean just like how you have to go out of you way to wait or headbutt rhino or ebb goalie, you have to go out of your way to get a cracked ball for a peetle goalie

To ensure that you don’t lose the ball

[ocean marten]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-math-smart-genius-beautiful-gif-2150149066761891442

[deft pasture]

what

[quasi pilot]

I agree with the snowmap take

[golden kernel]

Cheede explained and convinced me to remove the gold ball hud

[lethal shale]

those horses are really good at math they got those answers before me

[quasi pilot]

or lower the starting area

[deft pasture]

it should be changed not removed

removing it is a bit much

[mellow copper]

I agree with all these except regrab

it should have more ways to counter it but not be removed outright

[sharp mason]

you agree with the dung thing??

[lethal shale]

Ppl aren’t saying to remove it

[deft pasture]

thats what the post says

[lethal shale]

They’re saying to get it out of ranked

[quasi pilot]

snow is just a weird map overall

[lethal shale]

make it a non competitive map

[mellow copper]

oh except that too

flutter dash is like its entire kit

[fickle badge]

not really

[mellow copper]

nerf dung tech MAYBE but dont remove flutter dash

[deft pasture]

yeah thats basically removing it

[mellow copper]

I agree

[ocean marten]

they should remove longhorn

[mellow copper]

the raise platforms and map design is so strange

[fickle badge]

stole my idea

i said this in vc

[mellow copper]

I'm not a big fan of it competitively

[ocean marten]

we're twinning haha

[deft pasture]

they didnt even add it yet vro

[mellow copper]

[quasi pilot]

compared to most it is different like the start is different the extreme bumpy middle area and like ball spawns being kind of goofy like balls falling on ground or super tall columns for ball spawns

[deft pasture]

its not even released yet 😭

[quasi pilot]

I like it but it's definetly different

[fickle badge]

only like 1 ball spawn falls off

[ocean marten]

worst thread since small ebb nerf

[fickle badge]

and the bumpy middle isnt a problem most of the time

[deft pasture]

its like lady bug but reliant on the map

[quasi pilot]

lol

[lethal shale]

I think the topic so far is fixing fluttering to make the tech feel less finicky and reworking the ofb to be like a purposeful dung tech

[mellow copper]

oh also lb is being nerfed soon dw

[deft pasture]

nooo

how much

[lethal shale]

good

[sharp mason]

holy true

[quasi pilot]

dyk the specifics of the nerf?

[mellow copper]

idk how much I just know what it is

[quasi pilot]

could you dm to me and only me?

or just say

[lethal shale]

cheese I think the nerf means it’s time to switch to potato

[mellow copper]

ykw why not

[quasi pilot]

[sharp mason]

i wanna know..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309146510499254334/1316433699381973073/IMG_0635.gif

[deft pasture]

is it gonna make it not fun anymore

[quasi pilot]

a nerf means nothing it just means a time to make tech that overcomes the so called "nerf"

[deft pasture]

lol

[lethal shale]

Not broken*

[sharp mason]

do you just like it becasue its OP? if so then maybe

[deft pasture]

staying in the air for only like 2 seconds itsnt fun

[lethal shale]

Yes it is

Enough time for a ground pinch

[deft pasture]

i dont like pinches and ground stuff i like dribbling

[lethal shale]

Dribble on the ground 😁

[deft pasture]

i hate the ground

lb is why i play this game

[quasi pilot]

@mellow copper ty! I will use this info to already develop new tech

[deft pasture]

LOL

[lethal shale]

uh so cheese you should tell me

[deft pasture]

ill slide 4 dabloons if u give me tech fr

[lethal shale]

so I can make heroic countertech

[deft pasture]

i gotta be on the grind early

[deft pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[fickle badge]

https://tenor.com/view/international-polar-bear-day-protect-the-arctic-save-the-bears-tenor-gif-5676474183480300435

[whole linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893649431637917719/1483227670098612305/attachment.gif

[ocean marten]

also tell me so we can co-develop it

[deft pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-1457473106328210491

[quasi pilot]

ask Axodle

[lethal shale]

tiny titan make more peetle tech

[ocean marten]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370167372165419161/1482235417829834905/togif.gif

[deft pasture]

lmao

[quasi pilot]

I don't wanna get attacked by the beetle commitee

[deft pasture]

lol

[quasi pilot]

Marca if u get it we can start co-developing

[mellow copper]

would you like to develop an app

[deft pasture]

app what

why are we making apps

[mellow copper]

https://tenor.com/view/glootie-app-software-do-you-want-to-develop-an-app-gif-17182284

[deft pasture]

no apps

yes tech

is the nerf like making the bar run out quicker or is it a mechanical nerf

[mellow copper]

not that simple as bar going down faster

[quasi pilot]

lb will be given a heavenly restriction

[mellow copper]

I'll tell tou that much

[deft pasture]

oh is it like a certaint amount of grabs in the air

[mellow copper]

no more hints

[deft pasture]

💰

what about now

[deft pasture]

if it is then ig skate tech is gonna be the thing

limited air grabs seems to make the most sense lowk

kinda like limited head butts in the air but for lb

that has to be it right

[deft pasture]

why is it an image

and not the w gif

[golden kernel]

@whole linden i removed the thing about potato beetle

[fringe basalt]

I was gonna type an opinion but I feel like the chat has lost the plot

[deft pasture]

lol

[golden kernel]

please still do

we need the plot back

updated post:

GENERAL CHANGES

Wave dash needs patched

Edge rush needs patched (it will end the game when people get good at it)

Regrabs need removed

Sound of ball being made needs to be global (quality of life FUCKING PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE)

Snowman map needs to be removed from ranked (quality of life)
No more adding and removing the ranked modes (5v5 will die. 1v1 will be dominated by lady bug players. 2v2 will be most played. 3v3 will be mostly played for tournaments, though there needs to be a new adition to add more reasons to grind just not ranked)

Tutorial should be broken down into multiple tutorials which should include a tutorial that explains ball spawns

                                                                   CHARACTER CHANGES

Goliath

Remove every single named and known off ball tech (chud bash, shield shot, voodoo tech etc everything, I know easier said than done)
Buff off ball for defense

Lady Bug

Off ball meter should be smaller and take longer to charge
Off ball speed should be nerfed back to what it was before the buff and nerf

Ebb

Dive tech needs another nerf

Please upvote if you agree with anything listed. more to be added, please ask why or how about any of these changes listed.

[fringe basalt]

I thought flutter dashing was on here when I last checked

[golden kernel]

it was

i changed it

[fringe basalt]

Oh I was just gonna say nerf the cooldown timer so you cant do it every 8 seconds and make it stun again with a better hitbox

snowman map is also buns

but rest of these sound good 👍

[golden kernel]

you're cooking fr

[fringe basalt]

Probably just better ranked points steamroll prevention, like if Im playing against Meep and ak and I have a new teammate with a fortnite red vs blue pfp that doesn't really know the game I don't think its fair I should lose 40 for a game like that

[golden kernel]

TRUEEEEEE

[lethal shale]

bring it back potato still is problematic

[hasty kestrel]

I think lady and click need nerfs bc air combat is not fun for anyone who can’t reach the air

[lethal shale]

click maybe needs a nerf but also just needs to be fixed cause its too inconsistent rn even just the ofb knockback

[lusty rose]

ermmmmmm killing regrabs is wild

also dive tech i think is getting nerfed so you can only do it once before touching the ground or something

[stable pelican]

barely a nerf

[cobalt whale]

he just isnt though

yeah he should get a small buff

but he isnt problematic

jst needs somthing to insentives being in big form/using onball

[fast wraith]

what is edge rush

i agree with everything btw but lb is alr ok

[fast wraith]

no no no

[clever zenith]

i agree with a lot of this but i’ve kind of gotten used to snowman

it’s hard to imagine what the game would be like without regrabs

[dusk jewel]

My main question is what do you replace regrabs with cause with out regrabs it can make it near impossible to score especially with a good goalie. Other Stuff: Snowman is annoying but i feel it could be fixed. Goliath Shield shot should stay but any of the bashes should go a long with the rest of the host dependent tech. Also I doubt shield shot can be patched without ruining the off ball based on my assumsion of how the tech works.

Also what the hell is an edge rush

[clever zenith]

it’s tech that was discovered before wavedash and overshadowed by it

kind of like trimping but with headbutt

[dusk jewel]

Ok

[golden kernel]

i get it it'd be really hard to think of a nerf or replacment

but

its not a fun or interesting meta

and the meta will never change because dung and lady bug will always be the best regrabers

[dusk jewel]

imo that’s a dung and ladybug issue not a regrab issue

[golden kernel]

Its impossible to nerf them to be worse at regrabs

[dusk jewel]

How come?

[golden kernel]

they both can have instant forward movment at the push of a button

no setup

simply put they have the most ways to regrab

[quasi pilot]

The lb nerf will be devastating…

[dusk jewel]

I see what you are saying

[quasi pilot]

Ik what it is

[golden kernel]

well i hope that new strats will be found for lady bug after the nerf

[quasi pilot]

Ofc! I was thinking last night and have some ideas

[golden kernel]

gimmie a upvote please :3

[golden kernel]

Oooo like what

bro im getting so many down votes its wild

[fast wraith]

fr

nerf goliath and remove his bum ahh techs

[golden kernel]

thats what imm sayin

[quasi pilot]

Axodle has me locked up rn

[fast wraith]

goliath is supposed to be defensive and not a fast ahh hb grab

[quasi pilot]

But it should make the play style a lot different

[golden kernel]

i think its fair for goliath to be fast but i dont think goliath should be a striker

every off ball tech makes goliath a crazy striker

[fast wraith]

bro fung is alr too short cooldown

[fast wraith]

yeah

[quasi pilot]

Fung rework

[golden kernel]

like fung needs a buff or no?

[fast wraith]

true

[fast wraith]

he needs a rework

[golden kernel]

honestly yeah

[quasi pilot]

I don’t rly like on ball

It seems limited

And can be used by opponent way too easily

[golden kernel]

true

and nuin wants fung to be a support but thats just not what fung is

when i comes to regrabs i fear the the gameplay of beetleball will bearly change each update because regrabs are too strong

[quasi pilot]

Yeah

They are definitely skillful but they do make interactions at goal boring and less creative

[dusk jewel]

The only problem I have with regrabs is the high speed ones where you basically pray you hit the timing and don’t get screwed by ping

[quasi pilot]

Yeah long is too big of a decider right now for competitive games

Ping

[golden kernel]

cheese chomper i quoted you in the post

for regrabs

[dusk jewel]

Also for do you have suggestions for fung rework? I’m just curious if you came up with ideas for it

[quasi pilot]

Kk I don’t want my name on that tho ppl are so quick to disagree with game changes right now

[golden kernel]

yeah i wont name ya

lowkey should i make a new post thats Everything i want to change in beetleball 'revised'

because ive changed the post a lot

[quasi pilot]

You have a lot more feedback now

[golden kernel]

truee

https://medal.tv/games/beetleball/clips/miM5nqryJZ-Uzu0yq?invite=cr-MSx5ZWcsNTQ0NDAxNjM3&v=30

@dusk jewel

this is edge rush

[dusk jewel]

The beetle that came flying at you?

Also I should have know what it is I literally was experimenting with it in the old tech channel

[golden kernel]

yeah

[dusk jewel]

Random idea for fung rework, shorter Cooldown for onball better acceleration, less time with onball, and also when you charge headbutt the shroom goes in the direct you are looking.

[quasi pilot]

Directing the on ball mushroom would be super nice and cool to see

[lethal shale]

90% sure this is a wavedash trimp

kinda different

[golden kernel]

https://discord.com/channels/1293737820862812190/1483908056629641390