#GENERAL DISCUSSION MEGATHREAD

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wheat plaza
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is keeping the ball on your head while using ladybug offball flight a new tech?

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I was thinking of making a thread for it

wheat plaza
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made it

forest niche
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I am attempting to learn how to flutter dash on dung beetle but can never seem to be able to regrab the ball

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Is there any tips on this

craggy vine
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Press early

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You could probably press before you even flutter dash

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The dash nor flutter cancel grab and grab lasts for like a whole second

feral aspen
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well there go my plans of trying to make this recreateable

forest niche
leaden wind
proper cosmos
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My prediction for the longhorn beetle, is that its going to have a passive ability, so when he headbutts into a beetle, he will stun them for 1.5sec

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Like frfr

craggy vine
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Wow cool prediction

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Maybe

craggy vine
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hahaha i wonder why poscicle reacted to me saying cool prediction

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maybe @brittle swan knows something?

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hmmmm?

feral aspen
craggy vine
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that i cant say the punchline to

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didy newgen

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newgen in ohio

brittle swan
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im not one of them

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i live in ohio though

proper cosmos
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@fringe vale u got any advanced ebb tips?

modern tiger
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Dive tech

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4 times

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then uh

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Switch to Goliath

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and explode everything

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while spawning children on each explosion

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but also mixups are probably the biggest part of ebbā€™s kit with walls

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so yeah get high speed with momentum transfer or dive tech and try to mixup the goalie with wall last second

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But try to mix up when you do vs. donā€™t do that so that the goalie has to keep guessing

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Playing kakura in the playtest the mixup started to get really predictable after a couple matches (i was also very bad)

modern tiger
dry lake
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The key is to do a different variation of hypnosis every time

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I have developed a lot of them lol

fringe vale
fringe vale
dry lake
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You can score without hypnosis but thatā€™s mostly just a reaction check in the goalies part and isnā€™t super reliable

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(At least vs decent players)

elder sluice
static steeple
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which beetle has the most tech?

modern tiger
static steeple
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actually?

modern tiger
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Yep

brittle swan
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Mb dung or fungus

mental citrus
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in the channels here i think the most tech is posted for dung by a little bit

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oh nevermind goliath has way more

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dung and goliath have the most posted though im pre sure

modern tiger
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Uh yeah thatā€™s actually probably right

waxen parrot
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they are acc really easy, still get plenty of power, and ppl dont expect them, and also they are more versatile than normal clickshots

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like this is a mid one

nimble nova
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who is not expecting this twin

crisp imp
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wouldnt expect anything more or less than that from him

nimble nova
trim patio
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Is it known you can get crazy height from the ebb dive?

craggy vine
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yes

modern tiger
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thereā€™s infinite height from dive tech

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thatā€™s the known way

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Or the glitch with fluttering on the edge of ebb ofb

trim patio
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Just ebb dive + glide for infinite height right?

modern tiger
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mhm

modern tiger
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Alright if trimping gets removed wavedash is fine

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if you donā€™t agree then I actually wanna know why

real nimbus
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not enough wave too much dash

craggy vine
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I think the oposite

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Remove wavedash and keep trimping

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Wavedash just makes every beetle so broad and it doesnt really look good or make sense why headbutting into the ground gives allat of speed

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It would suck if wavedash gets removed cuz a lot of tech would go but i think it would make each beetle stick to their role more

wheat plaza
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Right now I rarely see it in game but it does look weird and feel out of place when other beetles do it

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I think it is planned on being removed anyway so far now it shouldnā€™t be a big issue

craggy vine
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Yeah also a lot of wavedash techs are insane yet easy to do

leaden wind
tall hamlet
leaden wind
leaden wind
crisp imp
modern tiger
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Cause that also gets removed if you fix the bomba goop stuff

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Which needs to be fixed anyway from sbd without wd

modern tiger
modern tiger
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And most of the time it doesnā€™t make sense either

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like in melee or rl

wheat plaza
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But once wd gets patched a new wd will probably be found so I'm really just excited for that

leaden wind
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ground sbds donā€™t exist without wavedash

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and slope sbds with flutter (aka wd) go insanely far like that clip

wheat plaza
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Please watch firefly launch game tech thread and tell me they're not being abducted

leaden wind
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messing with bomba goop mechanics is a slippery slope (literally) because it would change way too much about the character

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thereā€™s no easy patch like there could be for wd

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itā€™s likely that the mechanic that allows SBDs is the same mechanic that makes slip n slide work

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remember when bomba ladder was removed and almost all the bomba mains swapped to other characters

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@tall terrace thoughts

tall terrace
modern tiger
sour rampart
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already tech

craggy vine
mint frigate
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look at this?

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feels crazy

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idk how good it is tho

craggy vine
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actually not bad ngl

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still tho

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you could just shoot it

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and use ability

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instead of that

modern tiger
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this requires q canceling abhility instead of glide cancelling right?

light dust
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so many people are trying to take recognition for basic movements with longhorn šŸ˜­

modern tiger
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???

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oh lmao

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i havent even checked game tech posts yet lol

sour rampart
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I left call for 3 secs

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Stooooooooop

mint frigate
sour rampart
mint frigate
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I tried in a game tho and not very practical

sour rampart
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But tech is tech

mint frigate
light dust
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besides my glorious flaming chariot

modern tiger
mint frigate
mint frigate
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Iā€™m happy

light dust
mint frigate
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Iā€™m asking

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What the flaming chariot is

light dust
modern tiger
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this guy's cool

lament tide
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i found out that you can lauch then use that momentum to mt

dim mesa
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@craggy vine slingshot is so back

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but getting a clip is hard

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imma credit myself to it

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and u for being witness

modern tiger
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not viable but fun šŸ™‚

sinful wagon
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If someone hits that on me in game im ending it

woven girder
dry lake
reef sable
trim patio
dry lake
fringe vale
mental citrus
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i love watching all these clips of longhorn people are posting in the threads and being subject to the fkahh music ladybug_laugh

modern tiger
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cancelling longhorn ofb by holding hb feels like it stores momentum better than the other two options

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but i cant find any practical use for that other than some niche movement

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do with that information what you will

waxen parrot
craggy vine
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Does the goop eventually detonate

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Does it go inf high?

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I know it has some fall off

stark shadow
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Its so peak

subtle raptor
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Can someone send a clip of the emote tech

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Pls (I can't do it consistently and idk why)

silk jolt
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holy juke

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you can cancel the charged state with the sniper? how did you even do that?

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how much precision do you need to do this

dim mesa
silk jolt
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thx

mental citrus
# silk jolt how much precision do you need to do this

Not much at all, most of the time you can just sprint and then jump and let go of the ball at the right time and it will travel with you as long as you donā€™t let go of sprint. The only precise part is timing when you let go and when you jump.

silk jolt
ionic quiver
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has this been found? its just directional shroom but instead of holding rmb to position you glide and place

gray violet
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@nimble nova

nimble nova
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It's 4am what do you want naf

nimble nova
vast willow
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my friends keep telling me I need to know the fundamentals and that I need to learn tech for fire fly because I cant scroe I am only really good at getting the gollie or disrupting plays is their anything I can do to get better

modern tiger
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But I wouldnā€™t necessarily heā€™s a very good scorer himself

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Heā€™s more used for clearing the goal for other players

gray violet
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Ask @worthy willow about

nimble nova
gray violet
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Sniping isnā€™t tech

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Thatā€™s base kit

modern tiger
worthy willow
worthy willow
tall terrace
worthy willow
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Which sounds really obvious when put like that, but fireflyā€™s abilities are almost impassable when the firefly is positioned properly

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So learning where are all of your opponents are at all times, and what their playing for is very important

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Never be afraid to use your onball in neutral, itā€™s cool down is super short and it can give you lots of control in neutral, ensuring that you win the first gold

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Using firefly against a goalie in a solo scoring attempt is where firefly is at her hardest

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Sniping is always an option but it usually out right loses to a goalie

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It can be great if your teammate is near the net with a second gold to take advantage of the goalie using a cool down, but other wise just save your offball

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There is also using your onball to score

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Itā€™s very difficult to do constantly so it should be treated as a mix up instead of a only ability to score

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Fireflyā€™s most consistent ability to score is just regrabbing the goalie or juking them out

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The single biggest skill check for fireflyā€™s though is learning how to offball steal and then snipe

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Stopping balls from getting near the net is very strong on firefly, but putting that ball even near the enemy teams net is very strong

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So reversing, forcing someone out of position with an offball steal is very good

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Such as this example

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There was nobody in goal and my basic shot would go in, meaning that the enemy team had to use an ability cooldown to stop me from scoring

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By using my offball to steal from the tiger I regained control, burned their last defense cool down, and scored

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@vast willow if you have any questions feel free to ping me

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Also before you ask the best way to get good at sniping is to just do it a lot, get a feel for the timing

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By using my offball to steal from the tiger I regained control, burned their last defense cool down, and scored

nimble nova
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Mb but I do not have the time to read all thay

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So I'mma just like

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Passively agree

worthy willow
ionic quiver
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they are directional

nimble nova
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Not too helpful but it's cool

ionic quiver
nimble nova
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I have about 20 videos

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If you want to learn ask f# for the link to the discord

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Or just start learning shroom tech it's the most important one anyways

ionic quiver
nimble nova
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Nope

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Just try offball while you cancel a glide

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Sends you forward at 55Ā°

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I can try find a clip

nimble nova
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This kinda shows it but not well

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I cba to find a better video rn

ionic quiver
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ok thanks

vast willow
modern tiger
fringe vale
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WHO ARE YOU???

broken hull
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lol

modern tiger
# modern tiger
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Am I the techinator (prime)?

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Who are you??

waxen parrot
nimble nova
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HAHAladybugbeetle

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How is that even considered tech twin

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It's just a regular pinch pretty much

waxen parrot
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im not saying its tech bro ffs

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its just that you can do some things with it that you cant do with a normal pinch

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it is defo different though and you need to treat the ball as if its a bit higher up than normal yk

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im just going through all the possibilities for pinching lol

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its gonna be a 8 second segment or something

fringe vale
nimble nova
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Depends how nuin is feeling that day

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Sometimes the onb just makes it bounce on the spot

fringe vale
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sometimes he sneezes and the ball starts bouncing

waxen parrot
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i was doing it and it wasnt doing that

nimble nova
waxen parrot
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no

nimble nova
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Bungus has 12 glitches that all started happening when onb got changed

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Nuin hasn't fixed any

waxen parrot
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right

nimble nova
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Idr if I actually told him icl

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But like when it runs up the Egypt pyramids and when it bounces on an ofb mushroom

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There's just a ton of shit that doesn't work correctly

fringe vale
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W bungus

waxen parrot
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i have a prediction

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when the going up slopes thing on bungus is fixed, there will be a new bug where the ball goes insanely high if it bounces on the edge of a steep slope

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just a prediction

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nuin might be smart or he might not be

nimble nova
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Nah but when it is fixed I will be able to invent and inf speed glitch

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So can't wait

fringe vale
leaden wind
nimble nova
fringe vale
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click launch with bungus

gray violet
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When are we getting the ebb click launch

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Wait can you edge rush with ebb walls

fringe vale
fringe vale
gray violet
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Stalinā€™s beetle confirmed

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Actually mad that I canā€™t do the cool dive tech stuff and only the hypnosis

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I take pride in the fact that Saaviā€™s hate of ebb comes from me

fringe vale
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@worthy willow do you hate me ebbCute

worthy willow
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I just hate hypnosys because it's such a panic check

crisp imp
worthy willow
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Thank you for your input

feral aspen
polar trout
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Its one of the most fairer tech tho

modern tiger
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@feral aspen you should teach me how to tlopp

fringe vale
feral aspen
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I can at like 6 pst today

fringe vale
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new pinch tech?

gray violet
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no

dim mesa
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@leaden wind what speed is a the best hump tech

leaden wind
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im confused by the question

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what are you asking for

dim mesa
dim mesa
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if u have it

dim mesa
leaden wind
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if you get the best hump tech it maxes out the meter

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so its like more than 240 idk what it is

somber parrot
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have people figured out yet how to super (mario) jump consistently yet?

ionic quiver
fringe vale
gray violet
tall hamlet
fringe vale
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this is peak art

tall hamlet
fringe vale
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trueeeeeee

feral aspen
# gray violet

you can also use your head to bump the ball forward to keep good ball control while also getting more speed

gray violet
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The bottom line gives you the most possible speed though

umbral moon
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I need ebb tech.

vast willow
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yo could someone just help me practice my dfense for the upcoming 3v3 turney

wheat plaza
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there is potential

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I swear

wheat plaza
wheat plaza
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@timber matrix this is the better version I just realised that it wasn't lag

potent crag
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you have to put the mushroom when you touch the ground with the headbutt

fluid hollow
nimble nova
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I've known about that for ages I'm just not great at hitting it and I keep forgetting to try

devout bough
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Some tactic questions

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Should a team always have a goalkeeper?

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Should goalkeepers stay at the goal or be more active and try to steal balls, score, etc..

fluid hollow
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if they have super fast reversers like dung and weevil then yeah you probably need a gk otherwise its good to have midfielders that switch between offense and defense

real nimbus
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good strikers can also put pressure on you enough where you need a goalie

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click, firefly or potato

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that tends to have much more of a skill requirement for those to be a threat though

fluid hollow
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headbutt tp grab thing

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requires a lot of ping

woven girder
stone helm
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How did you do it, I have like 200+ ping every game

crisp imp
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This is true pingbending

fluid hollow
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you can still do stuff like pinch grabs though

nimble nova
fluid hollow
stone helm
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Ok

dapper girder
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idk if this is the right place but does anyone have any offb weevil tech

devout bough
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what is the goliath offball used for?

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its just a worse headbut

wheat plaza
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Deflects the ball and players

devout bough
wheat plaza
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If they are going fast it launches them really fast and it is way bigger hitbox

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People also canā€™t headbutt the ball through you

fluid hollow
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also its better than headbutt since it doubles (?) the speed of things hitting it and sends it in the other way

devout bough
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I mean I assume it's not hard

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But it looks sick

nimble nova
devout bough
nimble nova
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That was pretty slow twin

cinder sinew
wheat plaza
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Fung is too tuff

wheat plaza
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can there be an agreement to make all longhorn onball onto teamate or teamate projectiles into one tech

mystic wolf
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What actual part of goliath beetle's shield actually block the ball since i have had many cases where it touches it but never reacts just phases

trim patio
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I think I found a weird tech, idk why but i was looking up on one of the side platforms on egypt and shot the ball I was some how carried with the ball. Ill try and replicate it and record it

trim patio
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I think its because of the angle of the platforms and colisions but Im not too sure

trim patio
leaden wind
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there's a better version where you fast flutter by cancelling q

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wait im stupid i never noticed this was the wrong video LOL

glacial torrent
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What counts as tech? It's sad to see tiger without tech so I'm trying things but I wanted a clear goal. Is it using abilities in a practical manner that is not intended by the devs? So far I found maybe something, the ability to buffer and fire a shot in any direction when using offball, as well as cancelling onball to stall in the air.

I don't want to step on any toes for not using proper etiquette so I figured I'd ask.

fluid hollow
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doesnt really have to be useful

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for example roomba tech

glacial torrent
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I don't know where to find that, and also "unintendedness" is a weird meter but I don't know what else to define a tech by.

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I'll probably create a post tomorrow about what I've tried with a desperate plea for tiger to get any attention whatsoever.

brittle swan
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proof of concept

fluid hollow
wheat plaza
fluid hollow
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it also has bite grab with its other off ball where you throw the ball up and then bite into it while grabbing to go flying

brittle swan
wheat plaza
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have you tried on maps like gamba or crater yet

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might actually work

brittle swan
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you can't use ebb offball close enough to the goal on those maps i think

wheat plaza
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I forgot they did stuff like that to prevent tp into net

brittle swan
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yeah beach or snowman are the best maps I think

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its probably possible just very tight

real nimbus
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beach and snowman are the two that nobody attempted fuck you tech on yet

brittle swan
real nimbus
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gamba crater and picnic had things patched

brittle swan
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is that the rhino thing

real nimbus
brittle swan
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just realized you can also probably do rhino+ebb wall

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alot easier than all of this

real nimbus
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if a rhino can get into the igloo it can probably spike from it to the goal

feral aspen
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ohhh I remember fuck you tech

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lamon hit a crazy clip on me when I was just a beetling

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it was on crater

fluid hollow
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since they changed it to not be able to go on even rhinos own walls

fluid hollow
main nymph
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HOW

main nymph
fluid hollow
main nymph
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it was too curved to do well

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only really worked on crater and thats just using the map itself

main nymph
# brittle swan

i dont think this will work as the goal does have hitboxes in the back

nimble nova
brittle swan
nimble nova
nimble nova
nimble nova
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Ig

brittle swan
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need someone else to test tho

glacial torrent
leaden wind
fluid hollow
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#šŸ‘¾ā”‚game-tech-archive

nimble nova
nimble nova
dim mesa
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Who mains cy?

modern tiger
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Bbnate

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Heā€™s my secondary

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The retired goat sky bangs

feral aspen
modern tiger
feral aspen
nimble nova
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Literally have never seen him do anything except cyborg into the air and then fall back down

fluid hollow
brittle swan
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@nimble nova im confused

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is this not what you were saying

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the other tiger presses recall before i hb grab

crisp imp
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you're headbutting before they teleport

nimble nova
nimble nova
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Like in their direction

nimble nova
brittle swan
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lemme try in their direction

nimble nova
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I will say any amount of ping on the tiger will help the headbutter

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Tremendously

brittle swan
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ur right

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  • lag
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also goliath offball doesn't launch through the tp

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will try ebb tomorrow

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and click mb

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yeah i don't think you can score if you recall through goal unfortunately

nimble nova
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It's like the one thing it goes through

nimble nova
brittle swan
# nimble nova Wdym?

I was trying to take a tiger from one side of the goal to the other with ebb and then bring the ball back

nimble nova
brittle swan
brittle swan
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just barely

nimble nova
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Wdym

brittle swan
nimble nova
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Twin

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That's not it being too short

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That's nuins way of not allowing rewind into goal

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Actually wait no youre in spawn

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You can do it in spawn

nimble nova
brittle swan
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you can go right next to goal as long as both the start and end of the recall are far enough away

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doesn't work šŸ™

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nuin codes too well

brittle swan
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Ebb slope+Bomba goop could probably get some insane speed

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I'll try tomorrow

nimble nova
fluid hollow
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for a time rewinding with tiger literally anywhere near net would instantly score

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didn't even need to go through it

nimble nova
rich bough
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Can someone pretty please get a list of like 3-10 techs that are important to learn. #1474515729536520345 has like 50 billion things and idk what to look into starting out.

I like playing dung, fungus, and tiger.

wheat plaza
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If you want a lot of tech I recommend fungus but if you want to just get into the the game and focus on learning the basics first try dung

rich bough
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Mmmm. I see. Much thanks

wheat plaza
rich bough
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If thereā€™s any you would recommend, Iā€™d gladly listen. So far, Iā€™ve pretty much just learned the q+flutter jump for dung. Iā€™ll probably be looking into that guy for now

Using the q+flutter jump as a reference, how hard is other tech comparatively? I assume itā€™s on the easier side but how many times harder does hard tech realistically get for a human? 10x? 100x as hard?

wheat plaza
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Mainly things with quick inputs like light speed tech or super precise angles like a silent but deadly

rich bough
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I see, I see.

wheat plaza
# rich bough I see, I see.

Also I am no dung expert but I am pretty sure the main thing you want to look into is just called trimping you do the q+flutter off of different specific spots to go really fast

rich bough
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Trimping. Ok perf. Iā€™ll definitely look into that sometime

feral aspen
wheat plaza
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Weather pig inspired me to look at tech again last night I learned so much stuff

modern tiger
dim mesa
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???

feral aspen
rich bough
# feral aspen filter the ā€œessentialā€ tag

Goated. Iā€™ve been looking into all of the essential tagged stuff with like 50+ messages so thatā€™s helped. I forgot everything I learned last night other than that anyone can do the weird dash flutter things.

I only wish I could bind controls to 2 separate inputs like some other games so I can assign right click to something easier to tap.

feral aspen
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thank @edgy crypt for scouring through and marking all essential techs

edgy crypt
rich bough
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I donā€™t know that existed. Absolute lifesaver

feral aspen
rich bough
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It seems there are no essential fungus tech. I guess Iā€™ll look with just the fungus search on because there has to be something.

Anti-tech. You can get stuck on slopes with your on ball ability. BAM! Essential anti-tech. You can thank me later

trim patio
rich bough
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I think I saw that one but I need to work on wavedashing more before I do that. Having to hold down space while tapping right click is throwing me through more of a hoop than I could have ever expected

feral aspen
rich bough
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Iā€™ve gotten the mushroom mixed in too one time. Iā€™ll practice it more. No balls though so far

wheat plaza
wheat plaza
sudden dust
quick spindle
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among us burger tech

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is what my next tech will be named

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or

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AUB for short

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itll be with atlas

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w prefire tech

rich bough
quick spindle
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Its gonna be op

leaden wind
wheat plaza
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Wait till you hear about the triple

snow bobcat
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Does anyone have some pretty detailed beginner tips for fungus?

fringe vale
wheat plaza
fringe vale
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um maybe

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i don't think so

craggy vine
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Yo se4weed ts isnt new you newgen, its called ufo tech bro

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Actual newgens bro

craggy vine
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YO I JUST HAD AN IDEA

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they should bring back old lobby as a lab map

rotund plank
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I js found out that you can hit a pinch with the tiger beetle and instantly teleport after it to cover a lot of ground really quickly. I know it's not niche and lots of other people have figured it out already but I won a few games thanks to it

nimble nova
nimble nova
rotund plank
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so is it actually better than js shooting the ball and then tping

nimble nova
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Ots worth it to clear space between you and a person coming towards you

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Works best if you have a bit of time

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Since everyone is expecting an MT if you do this you normally just go completely past someone

rotund plank
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W

prime oxide
pure granite
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how ur game so smooth?

trim patio
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Idk, just how my game plays

pure granite
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bruh

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wht ur main (if you dont say dung I will find you and dox you)

fluid hollow
pure granite
trim patio
waxen parrot
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i do this like 3 times a game

leaden wind
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i did it then because otherwise i would've hit the platform

nimble nova
waxen parrot
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i end up in this situ a lot

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also you get the inital mt bump twice so sometimes it is actually way faster

worthy willow
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@brittle swan do you know how to do knockback cancels

brittle swan
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I can imagine what they are

worthy willow
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Thereā€™s times when Iā€™ll be hit by bomba explosions and grab a ball at the same time and not be sent anywhere

nimble nova
nimble nova
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I went through every single tech tagged with tiger and there's just DGD or wtv it's called and pinch tps

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šŸ˜­

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Tiger needs some tech man

brittle swan
worthy willow
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Ping idk

main nymph
brittle swan
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When you grab the ball the ball matches your velocity though, and bc u have lower air resistance during onball u should go faster if you grab a ball after being launched by bomba