NOOB FRIENDLY BEETLES ONLY

[jolly flare]

You are scaring all of the noobs away and we need to retain players,
so I think there needs to be some training wheel class ideas.
Lots of people have trouble learning fundamental mechanics, so let's try to make some classes that make it so that they can still do good while sucking, without being too OP in the hands of a pro.

**Ground Beetle: **
off-ball: Gain a speed boost while on the ground, dissipating when you grab a ball or get interrupted by an enemy beetle (headbutt or stun). If you were interrupted, the cooldown becomes shorter.
on-ball: Press q to launch in a direction. On landing, knockback nearby beetles and balls. If another beetle intercepts the ball, you both become stunned, and the cooldown becomes shorter.
passive: Gain extra ground movement speed without a ball.

Please share your noob friendly beetle ideas 👍

[quartz pollen]

lady bug

[cosmic wing]

dung beetle or ladybug

[obsidian kestrel]

Maybe like fix ranked so I stop going against new players only while at 2500 ELO

Jokes

But it is the main reason new players get annoyed

I try my best to go easy but like it is still ranked

[cosmic wing]

lmao fr i played against new players who didnt knwo how mushrooms worked on picninc

[obsidian kestrel]

I played against someone who didn't know how to sprint

And I was at beetleballer

[jolly flare]

yeah it's cooked

[obsidian kestrel]

Idea Nolan make it so people start already in the tutorial, still make it so you skip it, but then more people would do tutorial

[jolly flare]

we should start banning pros

[jolly flare]

I agree

mandatory tutorial

[quartz pollen]

yes please

[obsidian kestrel]

Yeah cause even if its skip able it encourages more players to not skip it

[onyx heath]

Can I still make my map ideas complicated

[jolly flare]

there is no simple fix to ranked because there aren't enough people in the game

the simplest fix is to remove ranked

[obsidian kestrel]

Lock ranked behind something

[amber warren]

dung can still be massacred since the only thing noobs would know how to do is double dash

[obsidian kestrel]

Whether it be playtime

Levels or whatever

Make it so you can't go straight into ranked

[amber warren]

lock ranked until they hit level 5

[jolly flare]

true

[obsidian kestrel]

It's what most games do

To stop people from going into ranked instantly

[quartz pollen]

splatoon

[cosmic wing]

true

[amber warren]

there should be 1 noob friendly beetle of each class and then they can unlock others as they get better at the game

ladybug would be the offense one
so just needs a support and a defender

[quartz pollen]

-# picnic beetle

nah just kidding that would be a high level beetle

[amber warren]

a beetle along the lines of yuumi (lol), abathur (hots), kit (bs), etc. would be the easiest choice for a noob friendly support

[quartz pollen]

the leaf beetle

idk what it does yet but I saw it when looking for real beetles for inspo

[obsidian kestrel]

Me

[quartz pollen]

ye

[cosmic wing]

what about a jewel beetle

[amber warren]

I think strong noob friendly beetles should also have strong passives to give less weight to needing to do abilities perfectly

Theres a type of Beetle called a Blister Beetle that has toxins so that when attacked by a predator it causes blisters. So beetleball equivalent would be something that happens when someone headbutts them for example

[jolly flare]

yes

I guess rhino could be considered a noob goalie, but noobs really tend to mess up with him all the time and his cooldowns are long

you're on the money with the passive being more important

[amber warren]

rhino is not noob level, I would say thats medium

hard to contribute past trying to land the stun

[jolly flare]

yeah cooldowns are a major killer

something like old goliath where standing still expands your hitbox or something would be nice for noob goalies

[quartz pollen]

Leaf beetle could have an off ball that makes a leaf storm around them to give them a bigger hit box to hit the ball with

[quartz pollen]

ye

[amber warren]

current goliath defense may be easy category
its somewhere between easy and medium

since you get two blocking abilities (headbutt and q)

[jolly flare]

the cooldowns are still the killer and you need a good reaction time especially against ping

[amber warren]

yeah

beetle that has the goliath wall offball (that existed for a tiny bit) that affects anything and can be held for a long time but they can be headbutt out of it?

[jolly flare]

yeah like

obvious weakness but strong for people who need to learn fundamentals

the kit encourages you to stay in the goal

[amber warren]

if theres not already a plan for diabolical it could be diabolical tbh

[jolly flare]

true

being stun immune and a wall would be a great combo

[amber warren]

for a support there could be a beetle that can attach to allies and has an ability similar to tiger q but instead of teleporting to it it moves the ball closer to the ally at a somewhat quick speed for the ally to pick up

that way they dont have to worry about any movement tech like momentum transfers but can still contribute to the team for the offense to get a gold quicker

[quartz pollen]

-# leaf beetle :D

[onyx heath]

reversal

[amber warren]

ladybug can also reverse

[onyx heath]

other beetles can do it much much better cmon

[amber warren]

I would say any reversing more than ladybug would be too difficult or possibly make any other reversers irrevelant

[jolly flare]

the thing I don't like about a yuumi class is that you don't actually learn what to do because you rely on your teammates doing it

[onyx heath]

yuumi?

[jolly flare]

you do get to focus on other stuff but it ends up making players tunnel vision

[restive bough]

Is dung not the tutorial beetle? I know there’s a bunch of tech but I feel like it’s a pretty low skill floor with a high skill ceiling

[amber warren]

to be decent at dung you need to know dung tech which is not a noob level tech

the one thing dung has is low cooldowns to make it easy to learn the concept of abilities with

[amber warren]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yuumi-chibiin

ive seen a lot of low elo players think dung is terrible because they could not build up the speed dung needs to be good

[amber warren]

Beetle that can boost the ally a direction at a certain time so they are forced to pay attention to how the ally is setting up transfers and thus learn it?

[jolly flare]

most people don't grasp chaining q with q

[amber warren]

It also can be confusing cause at first dung can seem like it only has one ability

[amber warren]

This is how I would classify the current beetles (in terms of being at a decent level)
easy ladybug
medium dung, goliath, potato, rhino, cyborg, click, ebb
hard weevil, bomba, firefly, fungus, tiger

[restive bough]

A beetle with a targeted pass could be pretty beginner friendly

[amber warren]

The issue then would be how does it get the ball so that it can actually pass

So the offball needs to be something to do with that

[quartz pollen]

uhhh zoom to ball idk

tiger

[restive bough]

I wonder if there’s a reason why starter video game characters are normally always selfish, like Tracer from ow, Phoenix from Val, miss fortune from league. Maybe making flashy and easy plays is what draws players to the game initially

[cosmic wing]

What is tbis

[amber warren]

league of legends champion built around attaching to other people

@onyx heath @cosmic wing
first part of this goes over yuumis kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPsJbouPqGE

[cosmic wing]

ohh

coool

[onyx heath]

id rather die than watch league sorry not sorry

[amber warren]

summary of yuumis kit:

• attach to ally
• while attached gives shields and mana to ally and cant be killed

[jolly flare]

league is actually pretty interesting

I used to be a hater but its pretty unique how they approach design and balance

but god I hate playing against yuumi

[onyx heath]

i only play deadlock

only moba i play

[stray field]

Aids dev

Just make the ranked queuing not aids

[jolly flare]

so true

[vapid mason]

or fix the reason why newbs go into ranked cough cough win requirement + tutorial finishing

[cosmic wing]

Deadlock tuff

[viscid temple]

Nice beetle idea

[stray field]

Skeetle

[onyx heath]

insider trading

[quartz pollen]

-# picnic

[viscid temple]

lol

[stray field]

L glaze?

[onyx heath]

Nolam I'll have you know I'm cooking up 3 very beginner friendly amazing beetles rn

[jolly flare]

Awesome

I played deadlock rem recently

Very good design for a laid back playstyle

Very noob friendly

Also celeste is the best hero

[onyx heath]

peak aleeeert

yeah they're uh almost ready

trying to coordinate some stuff

[onyx heath]

Less than 90 minutes till the suggestion is out

[onyx heath]

Okay so I lied I got busy I'll finish it now >.>

[solid nest]

I think like

My idea of blue death feigning beetle is pretty beginner friendly

Idk if it would be the best for skilled players