Bot factories abuse

[elder dragon]

It doesn't make any sense that some team can leave a bot alive on a corner, let it make factories and then generate absurd amount of money without any risks

This is just gameplay and bot AI abuse, no skill or anything

[finite hollow]

Can you expand this

[gloomy surge]

Actually this is skill expression and we shouldn't block it from happening

[ionic hearth]

I think it's a legit strategy

[quaint chasm]

its deffo skill expression and shouldnt be removed

[elder dragon]

They basically corner a bot and let it live (bottom left of the map lets say) and make it build factories, so that they can abuse the bonus of gold it generates with trains

[elder dragon]

what are you talking about "skill expression" ? Its legit just cornering a bot, abusing its AI to make gold without taking any risks ? Whats the skill there ?

If there was a way to steal trains, it could be "skill expression" but as of now, its litteraly just printing free golds.

[elder dragon]

I would be VERY curious to hear about what you think is skilled there ?

[slow peak]

I believe you've never use a bot that way so let me explain, you're not only cornering a bot, it'd be useless as they can't build anything, you have to build a city/factory/port next to it, wait for it to attack, build another structure, and so on, it does require skill because if you're too slow, your game is just ruined, if you don't make money, you can't build anything, if someone else allies the bot, they can feed it to destroy you (if it has too many cities) and if that bothers you, just nuke the bots, don't accuse people of using the games mechanics (and don't nuke your own teams bots if you're playing in teams, that'd be toxic)

and the risks include not being protected, a lot from other players if you're in ffa, and if you're too concentrated on your bot in teams, you can't feed your mates, they'll probably never give you gold to build more, etc...

just because you don't want to play the "long game" and use game mechanics doesn't mean no one should

(and if "everyone" is doing the same thing, it ends up being the same as if no one was doing it)

[finite hollow]

Thats not relly a issue

thats a skill

[elder dragon]

to everyone saying its a skill, how about these ****** blatantly using alt accounts to circle themselves and generate golds ? https://openfront.io/#join=dk4oiNVq

This game is mostly all about early game, as there is barely anything to stop a you from snowballing especially in teams.

I understand most people will tell me the issue here is them cheating the game instead of the mechanic being OP, but the fact you can abuse this mechanic just by opening an inconito tab makes this mechanic toxic for the game

And don't tell me that I "just have to nuke it", they generated so much gold so quickly that they of course rolled over the game, and even with their alt accounts being nuked, the gap they created was already too big for barely anyone to compete

[slow peak]

that's not what the suggestion is about tho, using bots is skill as it requires to know the mechanics of the game, now you're talking about cheating with another account in which case it's a mitochondria, and, in teams, doesn't work the same as a bot at all, as a bot can capture buildings to generate gold, a mate can't

[pallid ingot]

i used a bot i trapped it and let its income grew then i murdered it

[slow peak]

nah that's not abuse, that's not even skill, you gotta feed it with a city and a few factories at least

[elder dragon]

Well, things are evolving

Making factories and let a bot take it is definitely not a skill and whoever says otherwise is simply delusional. Its everything but what a strategic game should look like

However, we now have a new and real issue with this mechanic, being that chezters, on top of abusing 3-4 accounts in one game, can also generate golds 4 times faster than legit people (as they kill their alt accounts, they receive all the money)

If you don’t want changes to be applied to this mechanic and cheaters don’t get punished for this, what’s next ? It just opens the door for one abuse of this kind per game

[slow peak]

Cheaters aren't new at all tho

You simply found out that using bots isn't abuse and tried to redirect your suggestion towards something else (alt accounts, mitos) you can check previous suggestion and feedback about this issue if you want to know has already been said

[elder dragon]

I still deeply think that it’s abuse and add nothing to the game, nobody will ever convince me that letting a bot capture a structure by letting it attack you requires « skill ».

There is absolutely no strategic layer or gameplay improvement with this mechanic and I know that people who disagrees are simply people who rely on this mechanic because they can’t stand out with decision making instead 🙂

Now you’re wether the suggestion was directed at bots, or alt accounts, results is the same : people are abusing this specific train mechanic by cheating

If you can’t fix cheaters, you need to find a way around, if you can’t find a way around, have fun playing with people who can generate 25M taking no risks in 5 minutes

One simple suggestion that would prevent such abuse is doing the same as boats : make gold scale with distance with a capped limit (as we don’t have an equivalent of warships for land)

[solid sentinel]

The counter play to this is that they're very vulnerable to a nuke or hydro.

You can also do this with cities. A bug in the code doesn't let you do it with ports easily. Bots who have access to the sea never attack anyone. That's been afaik fixed.

You also don't need to ahve a bot border the edge of the map and encircle it to do this in a smaller way.

[slow peak]

still doable with ports tho, way harder, you're right, I didn't notice that

but possible

[elder dragon]

I agree, but someone shouldn’t have to waste gold hydroing a cheater to try and balance things. These are 5M spent for the fairness of everyone’s game. You could’ve spent it on cities or whatever other structure instead

Well, in fact, in most game the said cheater have generated so much gold that he’s already too big to be stopped anyway (referring to the game ID I sent yesterday)

[solid sentinel]

No is easy. Pixel snipe the bot, build, wait, repeat.

Just need to pay attention to others. In the corner alone easy.

[elder dragon]

up, problem still not fixed, still the same r3tard cheating and theres no way to get them banned anyway, whats even the point actually ?

There was 2 teams doing this technique I guess, if you can't ban the cheaters, and you don't want to fix this technique, this game is doomed

[safe seal]

i saw this guy, whats the name mean

[brave bronze]

We are actually tracking this guy and Lewis is dealing with it

Can we also not try to work around the censors

They're there for a reason

[rose cape]

Farmer Bob strikes again.

This time without the bots 😂

[dapper pumice]

more often than not, those multi account guys get beaten up pretty easy

thats an "up" too much in there

[solid sentinel]

the issue is this guy is joining team games.

and is also not a UN member.

so other teams have fewer players