Add more stringent filters for usernames

[void laurel]

I think “Heil” by itself isn’t necessarily a problem, but the rest definitely is. I agree that adding server-side username validation would be a good idea.

in UsernameInput.ts

const NG_WORDS = ["hitler", "heil", "nazi", "racist", "alotof"];

export function validateUsername(username: string): {
  isValid: boolean;
  error?: string;
} {
  const trimmed = username.trim();

  if (typeof trimmed !== "string") {
    return { isValid: false, error: "username_error.not_string" };
  }

  if (trimmed.length < MIN_USERNAME_LENGTH) {
    return {
      isValid: false,
      error: "username_error.too_short",
    };
  }

  if (trimmed.length > MAX_USERNAME_LENGTH) {
    return {
      isValid: false,
      error: "username_error.too_long",
    };
  }

  if (!/^[a-zA-Z0-9 _\[\]]+$/.test(trimmed)) {
    return {
      isValid: false,
      error: "username_error.invalid_chars",
    };
  }

  const lower = trimmed.toLowerCase();
  for (const word of NG_WORDS) {
    if (lower.includes(word)) {
      return {
        isValid: false,
        error: "username_error.inappropriate",
      };
    }
  }

  return { isValid: true };
}

plz make PRs

i dont have enough time to make PR

add this in the file at first

const NG_WORDS = ["hitler", "heil", "nazi", "racist", "alotofbugs"];

and add in function validateUsername

  const lower = trimmed.toLowerCase();
  for (const word of NG_WORDS) {
    if (lower.includes(word)) {
      return {
        isValid: false,
        error: "username_error.inappropriate",
      };
    }
  }

thank you

please add NG_WORDS! thank you

[floral summit]

thank you for that. In addition, we should also really think about some questionable emojis available to chat with players ; It can be very frustrating playing with people that show you a middle finger each time you try to launch an attack to them, giving the fact invading territoreis is just part of the game. In my opinion this can ruin the gameplay's enjoyment as much as some usernames

[timid lodge]

I think censoring usernames to put off offensive stuff is good, but I don't think the emojis cause much of a problem. Also most people who send emojis are non-players

[wary granite]

I don't think that "Heil" should be censored. It's a german word and i don't think it's enough to get offended by it

[strange wharf]

I don't think it's a common word in German anymore, could be wrong.

[cyan hare]

Offended much? lol

Take em down, defeat em lol

[cyan hare]

That's part of the fun, trigger some players. I always go after those folks.

[dawn sapphire]

I speak a bit of german

It is not offensive by itself

It just defines the act of saluting someone

[wary granite]

Yes. I also speak german and i know that "Heil" is something (not exacly but this is the closest i can get to the actual meaning) like "Да живее" in bulgarian. So, no, it isn't something that should be censored, in my opinion

[wary granite]

H*tler will be censored in the game. I cannot think of other phrases that use the word "Heil" that would be problematic. But if the people are that disgusted of this word, i think it should be censored. For me, it's not something that's bad but after all, the thing that matters is all of the players to be happy and have a good time. 😉

[void laurel]

Has anyone already created a mechanism to block names?

[void laurel]

oh

thank you

const leetMap: Record<string, string[]> = {
  a: ["4", "@"],
  b: ["8"],
  e: ["3"],
  g: ["6", "9"],
  i: ["1", "!", "|"],
  l: ["1", "|"],
  o: ["0"],
  s: ["5", "$"],
  t: ["7"],
  z: ["2"],
};

function normalizeLeetspeak(input: string): string {
  const lowered = input.toLowerCase();
  return lowered
    .split("")
    .map((char) => {
      for (const [letter, substitutes] of Object.entries(leetMap)) {
        if (substitutes.includes(char)) {
          return letter;
        }
      }
      return char;
    })
    .join("");
}

function isUsernameValid(username: string): { isValid: boolean; error?: string } {
  const trimmed = username.trim();
  const lower = trimmed.toLowerCase();
  const normalized = normalizeLeetspeak(lower);

  for (const word of NG_WORDS) {
    if (normalized.includes(word)) {
      return {
        isValid: false,
        error: "username_error.inappropriate",
      };
    }
  }

  return { isValid: true };
}```

How about this? I also tried to deal with other characters being replaced by numbers and symbols.

[wary granite]

https://github.com/openfrontio/OpenFrontIO/blob/main/src/core/validations/username.ts

This is the existing script in the game that blocks very little

[void laurel]

I see

But I have a feeling that if we put out a PR for this change now, it will cause a conflict with the PR for the translation.

[acoustic mesa]

We could easily add banned words (or group of words) in this class as you've described (with leetspeak support and other bypass protection)
As for now, the enforcement for usernames is only client side, I can do a PR do add it also on the server (we only force the username length and chars rn on the server)

[wary granite]

Yeah, this could wait a bit. It isn't that urgent at the moment

[acoustic mesa]

All profanity words in english are already banned (don't know the exact list), but we should also have other languages (french, spanish, etc..) and some "joker" words like the H word (Maybe it will be a file read at the start of the server, so we can easily add further words according to reports and it allows modification to whoever host the server)

[void laurel]

Sorry, this is a completely different topic, but why do you think this PR was approved but still got blocked?
I’m not sure how to fix it, and I don’t really know where to ask, so I’m asking here.

[acoustic mesa]

Evan will probably merge that later, I imagine it's not automatic (he just approved for now)

[hoary pewter]

There's also Vowel omission

I.e The statue of Liberty becomes Th Stt f lbrty

[acoustic mesa]

Oh yeah (I wasn't understanding the link with the PR problem). That's what I called "other bypass" like omissions, stars etc. I think we could check by similarity but that's kind of an open problem

[void laurel]

Thank you

[hoary pewter]

It would be nice if there was an open source table of all accented variants of a character. But I don't know if one exists that's open source.

[cyan hare]

The point of this game is to have any name e.g. Nazi Germany and then get a win or get defeated, people want realism, let people choose whatever name they want.

[acoustic mesa]

You cannot have accented chars right now. Only names matching /[^a-zA-Z0-9_\[\] 🐈🍀]/gu are accepted (a -> z, A -> Z, 0 -> 9, _, [, ], spaces and some emojis)

[hoary pewter]

That does indeed assist with the problem

[cyan hare]

If you're blockig nazi or hitler or whatever, then block every single name of every leader out there.

[void laurel]

const leetMap: Record<string, string[]> = {
a: ["4", "@"],
b: ["8"],
e: ["3"],
g: ["6", "9"],
i: ["1", "!", "|"],
l: ["1", "|"],
o: ["0"],
s: ["5", "$"],
t: ["7"],
z: ["2"],
};
And if it's just numbers, we can take measures like this.

[cyan hare]

How so? do you think hitler is unique in what he did?

[hoary pewter]

I would only be open to this idea of realism if there was an "Eras" setting in the far future of the game

But otherwise I think hate speech and leaders related to hate speech can be banned.

And look this conversation already needs to stop

[void laurel]

I am not from the European area so I don't know much about it, but he must have done some very terrible things.

[cyan hare]

Tbf i find "NATO" inapproriate too as they're collaborating with nazi's too, but that's the fun of the game, so let's block nato too.

[hoary pewter]

But basically there is a difference between a regime that commits war as a means to an end, and Nazism where genocide Is the end.

[cyan hare]

Keep politics out this game fool

Censorship = politics

Censorship is what one finds offensive and the other not.

[void laurel]

^

[acoustic mesa]

I don't know if people want realism or just a fun game. I would imagine HOI4 is better for realism than OpenFront. The idea is just to avoid "offensive" names. It should be up to the owner of the server to decide which word they want to ban and which they allow. (My goal here is just to provide tools for a better UX)

[cyan hare]

And who decides what's offensive? ultimately the owners I guess but it's opinion. Censorship is dumb and unnecesary for a game like this. Rather you should ask for a feature to have randomized names or have them hidden, so you don't see the names the players picked.

Read my last reply

For you there isn't. For others they're just having fun playing an io game and not putting much thought into it.

[acoustic mesa]

An option to hide names / replace by generic names could be a good idea too

[cyan hare]

I'm all for a toggle but not censorship.

[void laurel]

I like the idea of replacing all player names with some word. Sounds like a contest for other games.

[hoary pewter]

If you guys want you can keep discussing this off the server or maybe make another forum post about the merits of unrestricted naming.

[cyan hare]

People choose names for all kinds of reasons

[hoary pewter]

But this chat is for the word filter

[cyan hare]

I did.

#1353234667192717363 message

[void laurel]

I feel like that implementation could be done quickly. You could simply assign each player a random name at the start of the game, and then just have the players display that name (using triggers)

[acoustic mesa]

I'm thinking about a system to generate "good" names and not "Anon xxx" (because it's boring) but that's not easy 😭

[hoary pewter]

The one issue with a toggle, is that names are sometimes used to indicate player intention and loyalties.

[void laurel]

Why not just follow the bot's naming convention?

[hoary pewter]

So people hiding the true names, might be missing important context.

[acoustic mesa]

Yeah that's a good point

[hoary pewter]

I.e Im the trade empire

[acoustic mesa]

But imo bot names are not good for players and idk if we want to differanciate players from bots

[hoary pewter]

And then you can also see that if there are unfortunatley 3 hitler empires, you can guess they will ally.

[void laurel]

why?

[cyan hare]

Maybe the issue isn't the names

[acoustic mesa]

That's just personal x) But it could works!

[ancient sentinel]

Once discord login is implemented, cant people just report people with offensive names and let the admins decide which to purge and which is OK?

[hoary pewter]

Yes this is huge

[acoustic mesa]

It will not be mandatory (don't know how to speak english) as I understood the feature

[ancient sentinel]

Oh

[void laurel]

True, even if it’s not “Anon”, players often recognize and form alliances based on the bot naming pattern, so it might be better to change the naming convention.

[ancient sentinel]

Maybe only have custom names if logged in with discord

Anon #134 if not logged in

[void laurel]

I'd even go as far as to put [Player] at the end of the bot's naming convention.

[acoustic mesa]

Good idea imo for the discord login requirement to have custom name (so we could report players)

[void laurel]

If there’s Discord authentication, it would probably reduce inappropriate behavior—sounds like a good idea.

[ancient sentinel]

Yeah I can't think of anything else that makes sense tbh

[void laurel]

Well, discord is easy to have multiple accounts, but then there's ip-ban.

[acoustic mesa]

For now, as the discord login is still not yet ready we can improve safeguards on the username validation without any default ban words for now and add this requirement later

[void laurel]

At the very least, I think both a username validation system and a feature to randomly display a player’s name are necessary.

There are many terms—like “Eastern Living Space,” for example—that could be considered inappropriate depending on context. So implementing a trigger to randomly change names might be the easier and safer approach.

[ancient sentinel]

Yeah there's no way to filter out dogwhistles

[acoustic mesa]

As I see it, the validation doesn't block the player from joining a game, just changes its name to any of that currently

"NicePeopleOnly",
  "BeKindPlz",
  "LearningManners",
  "StayClassy",
  "BeNicer",
  "NeedHugs",
  "MakeFriends"

[void laurel]

why...

[ancient sentinel]

This is funny

Always assumed I was playing with the same 'MakeFriends' guy

[acoustic mesa]

Same until 1h ago

[void laurel]

Same

[acoustic mesa]

Changing the name is way better, this is way longer for them to find a name that bypass the rules (as they need to join & quit)

People are lazy, don't forget that

[ancient sentinel]

I think someone calling themselves 'dicknballs' is pretty harmless and should just have their name changed to something nice. Naming yourself something genocidal should probably just not allow you to join the game.....

[void laurel]

First of all, randomly changing names is probably easy to implement—it’s already partially done anyway. But filtering is much harder, since there are an infinite number of words that could be considered inappropriate.

[cyan hare]

Y'all started with nazis and hitler now it's "eastern living space" , please mods close this thread asap. This is getting out of hand 😵‍💫

As far as i know this is an open forum

[void laurel]

I shouldn't have given you an example. It got messy.

[cyan hare]

Why don't you create a safe space for yourself and your friends?

[acoustic mesa]

Please, we are just trying to find a way to keep this game enjoyable on the username side. We are not building a blacklist 😭 (so the debate is not on whether this or this word should be banned)

Good for bringing people to the server, but this extra step could discourage people from doing it imo (people are still lazy)

[void laurel]

Well, when there is a filter, there will be crazy people who want to get through it somehow. They will be stubborn and keep trying endlessly to see what will work. The filter may not always bring good results.

-# When I was in other projects before, there were people who kept trying names endlessly for some reason.

[acoustic mesa]

The game of cats and mouses sadly (don't know it it makes sense)

[cyan hare]

Stop seeking solutions for problems that lie within yourself. A name toggle will be good enough.

[void laurel]

Issue Raised
• Offensive usernames (e.g. “H*itler”) appear frequently in games, hurting the overall experience.
• Simply using a blacklist is not enough due to users bypassing filters creatively.

⸻

Proposed Solutions
1. Expand the Blocked Word List
• Words like ["hitler", "heil", "nazi", "racist", "alotofbugs"]
• Add leetspeak support (e.g., i → 1, a → @, o → 0, etc.)
2. Auto-Rename to Random Usernames
• If a name is flagged, replace it with something like “MakeFriends”, “BeKindPlz”, etc.
• Follow bot-style naming patterns like Anon ###
3. Stricter Naming Rules
• Allow custom usernames only for users logged in via Discord
• Guests receive auto-generated names
4. Server-Side Enforcement
• Currently handled client-side only
• Plan to add server-side validation to improve enforcement
5. Reporting System
• Allow Discord-authenticated users to report offensive names for moderation
6. Client-Side Toggle to Hide Names
• Option to hide custom usernames or replace them with neutral placeholders
7. Player Visibility Enhancements
• Add symbols like ✦ next to player names or implement a map mode that highlights real players

⸻

Tone of the Discussion
• Some argued for name freedom, but most agreed that offensive names should be blocked.
• Focus was on protecting the game experience, not limiting creativity.
• Several contributors emphasized making the game welcoming and respectful for everyone.

-# um, chatgpt is very smart...

[plucky ridge]

lets be real if Heil is allowed people will start calling themselves 'Heil Austrian Painter' or shit like that

but yeah no point to blacklisting it imo

we should just be aware

[dawn sapphire]

In that case just ban erika

To

You could just use smth like the bots

Prefixes and sufixes

[midnight bear]

i think they should get a massive debuff for a silly name

[cerulean arch]

Bruh 💀 even more silly than a silly name

[timid lodge]

bro is actively against the woke mob

[void laurel]

I'll make Client-Side Toggle to Hide Names.

[cerulean arch]

this a great compromise I like the fact that sometimes people come up with genuinely stupidly fun names and don't like the idea of censoring them but being able to disable them on your side is definitely useful for people who want to stream the game or post on youtube

[azure moon]

Its Free-Speech, let them call themselfes how they want it

• its just a name, stop getting offended over anything thats hella cringe

[timid lodge]

there is already a blacklist for names

so your point doesnt really stand

[cerulean arch]

yes it does. by banning some names you obviously propagate a political message

People are free to choose their name and they will also face consequence as they may get targeted in game

[ancient sentinel]

This thread is repeating itself at this point

[timid lodge]

once had an alliance with hitler like a true finnish soldier 🙏🙏

[cerulean arch]

Why are you always talking about hitler you are giving this dude way too much importance at this point it's almost like it's a ghost that scares you

If people want to have these kind of names it just reflects the playerbase no need to pull it under the rug

[azure moon]

@full bone Ur prolly the guy that quits the game when u see a Hitler name

[ancient sentinel]

R u a russian plant lol

[cerulean arch]

Wtf

[azure moon]

@ancient sentinel Take ur pills bruv

[ancient sentinel]

Hahaha sorry

[paper merlin]

[cerulean arch]

I just don't like that you polarize the debate around hitler while in reality you aim to spread that censorhip way beyond this subject

what is the content of this blacklist

[timid lodge]

I dont get why this is that controversial of a suggestion anyway. All it does is stop kids from being edgy, theres already a blacklist for slurs so I dont see why blacklisting names and connotations to mass murdering dictators would be much different

[cerulean arch]

Let noobs roleplay nazi germany and get wiped early game is it really worse than being called a terrorist group name or ottoman empire because they also did a genocide with jew people but noone seems to be sensitive about that

[timid lodge]

I agree with the idea that other historical events should be treated along the same lines as the holocaust since there have been many many more genocidal events. Its important to note however how infamous the holocaust was, it is by far the first thing people go to when they want to be edgy. Its a thing that people who dont even care about world history know about, unlike some other lesser known genocides.

[cerulean arch]

If you start to ban all historical events related countries you will have to ban the whole world

[azure moon]

@full bone Is this u?

Ye its deffo him

[timid lodge]

For someone whining about people being offended you seem to be really offended about a simple suggestion

[cerulean arch]

The way you went for an admin when you realized your point was null... i wonder if you are AI

I don't in fact I never did once for your info

[ancient sentinel]

I need my pills

[azure moon]

Yall too sensitive over anything, cringe woke libs

Just play the game

"Oh no a Hitler 😭 "

This u rn

[paper merlin]

I cannot favour any suggestion

[void laurel]

I mapped a random name (const randomName = ★${BOT_NAME_PREFIXES[prefixIndex]} ${BOT_NAME_SUFFIXES[suffixIndex]};) for each playerid in the local area,
I tried to make a system that when displaying or using it, it would be identified by bool and retrieved by searching for it by playerid.

This project was so much more complex than I had thought. It may simply be that I am ignorant about typescript.
Anyway, I found it impossible to implement without learning where the variables are and how they are structured. Sorry.

I hope someone will do it who is familiar with the structure of this game.

I need to find a way to get all the player IDs within the game.
As long as I have that, the implementation is possible.

oh

For players, I was thinking of putting a ★ in front of the name, like a bot

#🔧┃development message

[void laurel]

Might I have succeeded?

[rain crown]

reddit has called and they want you back bro

[acoustic mesa]

I can look later today

I'm working on a feature where I need to differentiate players from bots, currently I was thinking of a symbol as the prefix of bots, but maybe bolding the name of players is better, idk

[paper merlin]

Maybe underline the names of bot

[acoustic mesa]

I can try that too, I will post screens later to have more feedback

[terse hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-gif-25402952

Virgin N*zi fans vs. Chad Mongol Enjoyer:

/s obv

[void laurel]

This is good?

(but own name will change random name too)

[void laurel]

https://github.com/openfrontio/OpenFrontIO/pull/340

I am looking for people who can give me code by suggesting a cleaner code or a more understandable UI. Thanks!

[void laurel]

Yes, the randomized names are applied client-side, so if you want to hide other players’ names, you can use that — it means only from your own perspective the names will appear randomized.

I understand! I'll put in a space.

By the way, right now the symbol used is a star (★), but do you think another symbol might be better?
If you have any suggestions, I’d love to hear them!

You can change setting in index.html(start screan)

this

On

off

Added space

: )

B. It seems that the randomized names for other players are drawn from the same pool as the randomized names for bots. Is there any check to ensure that no two bots and no two players end up with the same name?
there was a possibility of name collisions, so I’ve made a fix to prevent that.

    if (
      this.data.playerType === "HUMAN" &&
      localStorage.getItem("username") !== this.data.name
    ) {
      let randomName = "";
      let tries = 0;
      const MAX_TRIES = 10;
      do {
        const prefixIndex = Math.floor(Math.random() * BOT_NAME_PREFIXES.length);
        const suffixIndex = Math.floor(Math.random() * BOT_NAME_SUFFIXES.length);
        randomName = `★ ${BOT_NAME_PREFIXES[prefixIndex]} ${BOT_NAME_SUFFIXES[suffixIndex]}`;
        tries++;
      } while (
        Object.values(displayNameMap).includes(randomName) &&
        tries < MAX_TRIES
      );
      if (!displayNameMap[this.data.name]) {
        displayNameMap[this.data.name] = randomName;
      }
    }

And I changed emoji

@full bone

Italics!

bot name got underline

https://github.com/openfrontio/OpenFrontIO/pull/340#issuecomment-2753034226
@full bone
Is this good?

[void laurel]

Changed to italicizing
That said, it’s now a bit harder to tell at a glance whether someone is a bot or not — the visual difference isn’t as clear anymore

That's something that's going to make a lot of noise on the screen.

A slightly more objective assessment is needed.
I would like to vote, but there are not enough people.

#💭︱general message

plz vote~

#💭︱general message
After a little while, I’ll decide based on the results of this poll.
I’d really appreciate it if you could help spread the word about it — thank you!

-# Personally, I’m not a big fan of using emojis

Okay, let's give it a try.

I'll make some adjustments.

Sorry, I'm not sure how to implement it. I'm trying to find where it's drawing, but I don't understand much.

[void laurel]

Can i get the code?
Please PRs my fork!(or openfrontio repo)

um

I'll AFK for a few minutes on a little other work. Sorry.

I came up with a little way to do it. I will try it when I get back.

[void laurel]

    troopsDiv.textContent = `${render.player.type()==="HUMAN"?"Player":"Bot"} - ${renderTroops(render.player.troops())}`

[regal perch]

Currently option C, robot emojis everywhere, is leading. I also think that's the worst solution and thst italics are the best. 😬

Onr question: do you distinguish between multi-player and singleplayer at the moment?
Think I would definitely only apply this to multi-player, otherwise it would clutter up the map basically forever, if only playing with bots.

[void laurel]

I don't distinguish between the two as an answer.
I prefer italics. Really.

[void laurel]

#🔧┃development message

[unique fog]

bad idea no filter for such game

[timid lodge]

there are already filters

[unique fog]

you sure?

[cerulean arch]

What is the blacklist content i want to know

im sure there isn't

where to find

[unique fog]

I'm sure there isnt too

[timid lodge]

There is a blacklist

it includes slurs

[cerulean arch]

proof

[unique fog]

never heard before

[cerulean arch]

show proof it exist then pls

[timid lodge]

Im honestly not sure where to find it. A moderator and/or developer can probably help locate it in the code

its been confirmed that it exists though. Names with blacklisted words are replaced with "BeKindPlz" "NeedHugs" etc

[cerulean arch]

Comfirmed where and by whom pls ? I've been looking at the code on github a few times and did not find what you talk about genuinely

[timid lodge]

@blazing needle sorry to bother, would you be able to provide where the blacklist can be found in the code

[timid lodge]

I've heard it be talked about by pilkey, so thats where I have got the info

and it would make sense because I have seen a couple players named "BeKindPlz" or "NeedHugs" for example

[cerulean arch]

Most likely was the name they chose actually

All i could find on username restriction is about the length

[timid lodge]

Why is it hard to believe that the game would have a filter on names?

[cerulean arch]

Because there is not

[timid lodge]

I think it's pretty common practice everywhere

https://github.com/openfrontio/OpenFrontIO/blob/b8dd53513d881ea8ca3c9b962bfbc5bb719a8904/src/core/validations/username.ts#L19

the blacklist isnt public

but it is there

[cerulean arch]

yep i was just looking at it

[timid lodge]

theres a file called "obscenity" it seems, that it goes through when making sure if a name is okay

It is not listed anywhere on the github though as far as Im seeing

which would be odd, ngl

[cerulean arch]

Yep

[timid lodge]

But there is a filter present

"obscenity" can also be found in the package.json so it is present

[pallid spade]

Telling German speakers that you're the authority on the usage of "Heil" is outlandish. There are absolutely some objectionable words that are used, and there are canned lists curated on the internet tailored specifically for ease of moderation, but you're totally welcome to stay in your lane with respect to telling others what's acceptable in languages in which you don't maintain fluency.

Those lists can be googled - I'm not going to post here for obvious reasons.

[runic ore]

one thing I'd find funny to add, would just be to still show the original name to the player himself, so they don't even know they had been censored

[cerulean arch]

Bro is straight up evil haha

[runic ore]

Also on a side note with censoring Heil, a sloppy implementation may lead to censoring valid words, like Heilig (holy), Heilen (to heal), ect.

ah, good to know

[pallid spade]

Actually, the onus is on you for why something should be changed - the default position is something staying as it is.

If you can formulate a results-based implementation for how the system you advocate for should be integrated into the game, you are welcome to do so in a new suggestion thread specifically saying "implementation of username filtration".

This thread is titled "add more stringent filters for usernames" - a take which has a majority consensus. I'm just offering that a heavy-handed approach of eliminations of all words you personally don't like isn't meritorious.

[pallid spade]

Shadowbans are unironically goated

[void laurel]

hello!

[void laurel]

Since some people block people and some people don't like them, we have created a setting where anyone can privately make other people's names invisible to them!

-# Yeah, I just want to bring someone to git and ask what I can do to make it better.

[pallid spade]

That's really nice for streamers I think

as in, good for quality of life for streamers

[void laurel]

Well, in short, I am currently stuck with the bottom picture, so if you have a better idea, please let me know.

[pallid spade]

This one, you mean?

I think Carter's mockup is extremely good

Very comfortable on the eyes

I think your take is awful and extremely anglocentric but I don't think we're going to convince the other of the "right" path forward

that sounds

hellish

The mockup is legible and pleasant

doesn't need to be any more of that

no robot heads

banned

[cerulean arch]

" the likelihood of benign uses is negligible" serious stretch

[runic ore]

Region lock heil to Germany /s

[cerulean arch]

what words should or shouldn't be tolerated ?? like "shit" is okay ?

[runic ore]

as in ip geo location not map wise

also /s being a sarcasm indicator

[timid lodge]

I would propose not banning the word "Heil" in itself because it is at the end a german word. I would propose putting stuff like "Sieg Heil" under a blacklist though, but not just the word "Heil"

[ancient sentinel]

Jesus christ third time this thread repeats itself

[pallid spade]

Pointing to "m'data" is what a robot would do, and ignores a resonable person standard of rational linguistic-minded decision making. Electing to use the passive voice ("is overwhelmingly associated") isn't backed up by any of the German speakers in here who have offered their own experiences and sociocultural understandings which you ignore for the sake of vanity.

"Heil" is not German grammar - it's lexicality; nobody is talking about policing grammar. You're talking about removal of a specific, independently innocuous word that doesn't align with your delicate sensibilities.

Pointing to Ngrams introduces troubling biases: if you ban "Heil" because of its use in the stock phrase of "Heil Hitler", it stands to reason that you'd want to ban "Red" on account of "Red Scare" or "Red Khmer", "Cultural" on account of the "Cultural Revolution" - a Chinese socio-political movement that caused the deaths of tens of millions, "Helicopter" on account of Augusto Pinochet's invoked Death Flights, or anything doing with Roman Imperialism, but it seems like you just want to ban one word because it exists in one phrase you don't like, because it's just your opinion that matters most - screw them Germans.

Attached: your precious Ngram viewer, with the word "Red" spiking in 1918 (ww1) and 1943 (ww2).

[timid lodge]

I believe banning just the word "Heil" and therefore tieing it with nazi stuff anytime you see it is pretty hurtful just towards the german language. It is just a german word and it shouldnt be tied to nazis unless specifically someone saying "Sieg Heil" or "Heil Hitler"

[pallid spade]

no no you're onto something

region lock all words

only people that can say Seraphim are my Russian kin

and me ofc

[timid lodge]

I think if we're going down the path of just censoring regular words in other languages due to history, its gonna go down a real dark path. I agree with everything else, censoring slurs, censoring stuff about genocidal dictators, etc. but just banning the word "Heil" is too far

[pallid spade]

It's just so dishonest to say "m'evidence" while discarding the direct first-person accounts of their experience with the word

and it'd be the same for any other word

ok gpt

[void laurel]

Hello~
You guys have done the same thing before.
Are you having fun?

There's no end to word restrictions, so why not think about something else?

[pallid spade]

Because this clown's sanctimony needs squished

[cerulean arch]

Are you using AI to respond to people tho really curious

[void laurel]

So he’s using ChatGPT?
Well, I’m using it too, so I can’t really say anything.

[cerulean arch]

Wow...so you don't take the care to respond personally ?

[void laurel]

Haha, I do! I just use ChatGPT to help express things more clearly sometimes. The thoughts are still mine 🙂

[void laurel]

-# Well, English isn’t my first language, so I write the message myself and then just use ChatGPT to help polish it before sending. I still mean every word I say

[cerulean arch]

Nothing about the vocabulary just the way it's formated and the random infographics your easily insert in your messages

Lol be proud of a discord thread I guess

what are youtalking abt ?

[void laurel]

I just pasted what I said on the other channel by mistake.

[cerulean arch]

Hours ? Well I noticed that it usually takes you multiples minutes to write two sentences but I generally don't spend as much time in my response.

Ouh looks like you show who you really are...

I thought a "suggestion" had a goal to be discussed

Maybe we don't share the same definition

[blazing needle]

good question

let me try to find it

there

its a library

[timid lodge]

Is this available to the public?

Im guessing not

[acoustic mesa]

Yeah, this is the library https://github.com/jo3-l/obscenity and the english language is defined here https://github.com/jo3-l/obscenity/blob/main/src/preset/english.ts (I now understand why some code was hidden on the screen)

[timid lodge]

@cerulean arch

also @unique fog

[regal perch]

Don't want to derails this, really, but you're correct in what you've said and presented.

On-topic:
I've already added a 🇩🇪 translation in crowdin, someone now added another one in Github.
nvm, not on-topic, wrong thread

[cerulean arch]

Thanks for the info man it really helps understand better what is and isn't authorized now I know that you can't name yourself : "Shit Trader" for example

[dawn sapphire]

I just lost a game against kim with a korean flag

North korea

[wicked notch]

eh

I say just allow it

can't stop everything

[timid lodge]

your input is literally worth nothing

I dont mean this in a way to demean you

you just quite literally said nothing

nothing can be 100% enforced and nothing can be 100% censored. Doesn't mean we shouldn't censor the most common attempts at such behaviour

[jaunty wagon]

eh
I say just allow it
can't stop every murder

"as we cannot do something perfectly so let's do nothing" is objectively an idiotic, yet for some reasons extremely common, argument. It can justify not doing anything at all on any subject.

[wicked notch]

Nah, a defense is only as strong as it's weakest link

Why build a wall surrounding only half of a city?

But mostly I just have to say, I do not care about this "issue" at all.

Did you guys know there already is a chat filter?

You wouldn't by just playing, because chat filters are garbage at their job.

[timid lodge]

Bro. Your life will never be perfect and you will never be truly happy so you should quit trying

do you understand how pessimistic that sounds

[wicked notch]

I'm telling you there's no point in building a wall that someone can easily go around

[timid lodge]

There is no point in building any walls since there are people who can climb it is more so your argument

It'll stop the masses from trying but some people will go ahead and climb that wall

We can't do stuff to the people who do climb that wall, but we can still stop the majority from entering

[wicked notch]

That chat filter already does stop the majority

thar's the "be more nice" people

But mostly chat filters are just annoying

[timid lodge]

Yeah I know, and we are asking for there to be more added to it, such as names of genocidal dictators, especially stuff regarding the third reich and the holocaust

It won't stop everybody, but it will stop the majority

that's why we're proposing it to be added

[wicked notch]

Personally I don't mind any of that

So I will just add the voice of those of us who don't care

so it doesn't become one sided

[timid lodge]

that's fair

[wicked notch]

Chat filters are lame and I'll post against lame additions

simple as

[paper merlin]

This post is locked

[wicked notch]

RIP

[paper merlin]

Due to multiple complaints coming from this thread

[jaunty wagon]

Yeah some people like to build their own hell for them and future generations because "uh you can't make it perfect so let's not try"