#[Exploit] Bunny Hopping enables very fast movement with little stamina spending.

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unique solstice
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[Exploit] Bunny Hopping enables very fast movement with little stamina spending.

unique solstice
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The technique enables recovery of stamina mid air by releasing "w" key.

This enables the player to run while jumping with barely more stamina spending than regular running.

This can be fixed simply by either changing the stamina taken when the player jumps, or make so that the player keeps losing stamina while mid air.

unique solstice
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When wearing a Fine Gas Mask, this can be used to keep the player far away from the threshold that decreases visibility with the lens fog.

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And with very precise timing, using the Fine Gas Mask, in some jumps you are even able to end up positive on stamina, meaning you gain stamina from running that way.

rose falconBOT
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unique solstice
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Although I already have bunny hopping experience from games like Half-Life (1998) and Quake, it's not that hard to hit the jumps consistently. As it just requires the player to press shift+w at the moment it hits the floor. for the speed to be kept.

fair heron
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Yeah, pretty much everyone uses this.

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I wouldn't call it an exploit.

unique solstice
fair heron
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I don't know, I think its pretty nice.

unique solstice
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It surely can come down to a game design decision, though.

gentle hound
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It should honestly be nerfed 😛

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There’s so many stamina boosting items yet no incentive to use them when jumping exists

rain plinth
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Not a bug, it's more like a feature

rain plinth
gentle hound
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Needs even more 😭

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Honestly

rain plinth
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Imo it's already nice

gentle hound
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I wouldn't mind a minor speed buff return for more stamina usage

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that way syringes and the super gas mask have a use again

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I buffed these items just for jumping to make them obsolete in co-op rip

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What if stamina didn't regenerate while jumping? @rain plinth

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instead of the suggested continued stamina drain

unique solstice
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To require the player to be on a surface for stamina regeneration, would be a significant nerf.
Though there is still the avoidable loss of stamina while running midair as the player jumps. Which would be fixed by removing the jump inertia.
And about the jump inertia, i think it's pretty odd, since what is supposed to be inertial has reference on the player's orientation.

unique solstice
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Jump making the player temporarily unable to run after landing is another possibility.

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But again, those issues are acceptable nofixes

unique solstice
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One way to measure how broken can bunny hopping be is to jump repeatedly in place.

Jumping repeatedly in place is like idealizing a consistent precisely timed running input as the player hits the floor. It is, because the ideation is for such to be zero.

When doing that, the player is mostly able to recover the entirety of the stamina spent on the jump.

This suggests: With enough consistent input, a player is able to bunny hop for an extended amount of time, even without Gas Masks or Stamina Buffs.

rain plinth
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you can't really bhop infinitely

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it has ~5-10% chance to fail every single jump

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it means that your speed will reset

gentle hound
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I feel it’s weird that movement is rng like that

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It should be set to remove the rand function and consume more stamina.

rain plinth
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and CSGO

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it always had a fail chance

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CS2 / CSGO bhop is considered as one of the best in multiplayer games

gentle hound
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Why is it rng? kit

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That’s so confusing

rain plinth
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because it's a multiplayer game

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  1. infinite bhop advantage removal
  2. it's a tickrate mechanic
gentle hound
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I was curious why the movement felt ass one moment and amazing the next

rain plinth
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the only thing why cheaters bhop infinitely in CS2/CSGO is because they fake the packages

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normal person just can't bhop >8 times

unique solstice
# rain plinth it has ~5-10% chance to fail every single jump

It really doesn't feel like it affects at all.
I can consistently bhop just by changing how much time i stay on the ground. If i go for perfect every time, i wont hit it, and i never said it was possible, since i said "extended amount of time"

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What can actually help is: reduce the player's speed with friction once it touched the ground

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and then together with rng

gentle hound
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Bhop is honestly very busted for a game like cb

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It should be nowhere in the story mode

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Breach is fine but it leaves all the stamina items useless

unique solstice
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The player slows down enough so that if the player did got one or two bhops, the third one is not worth it, since you would almost lose the other two bhops' advantages entirely

gentle hound
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I failed one could do a 20% speed reduction

unique solstice
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which enables the player to be caugh off guard

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And that is just not something in scp cb

gentle hound
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I feel bhop is as strong as super gas mask in the original game which was heavily nerfed for how busted it was. Now no item is needed for the stamina

unique solstice
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lol, old gas mask was just absurd. I remember a friend of mine straight up running from SCP-173 as it chased him.

gentle hound
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So yeah, bhop is just better vanilla super gas mask as you can now wear nvg or nothing if you want

unique solstice
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Even as I love exploring a game's movement mechanics, this game does not hold enough complexity towards its movement to make it actually fun.
And a part of what makes a game's movement fun, is the skill required to be proportional to the advantage granted. And I don't mean "Twice as skill, twice as advantage," it has to be subtle.

But yeah, this game doesn't have a nice reason for such to be kept in the first place.

unique solstice
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I thought it just kept speed, but it enables to go over the intended running cap

rain plinth
unique solstice
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WHAT

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wait

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i thought i was wrong

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it does impact the game

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with a heavy gas mask the player doesnt take insta kill from the tesla gate

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the player is still able to reach over the speed and take 0 injuries while running

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???

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i got it without gas mask too

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alright, found out i didn't have to delete that

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But its far more precise

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since if its enough to apply 0.1 injuries it will kill the unprotected player

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I thought i was wrong because i was testing with godmode and just looking at the Injuries meter. But it is indeed possible to just run straight through the tesla gate and live

unique solstice
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Ill create another topic on that

gentle hound
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oh tesla probably did damage cause of the fact SCPs don't get instant killed by them

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when in breach mode

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so it's probably carrying over to co-op

fair heron
unique solstice
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I think we got to wait and see how the bhop is after the phys engine update