#Pumpkin subscription

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nimble fern
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Once pumpkin hits a stable release, i think they should move to a paid subscription model. this way the project will have the sufficient revenue to hire more full time devs to maintain the project and accelerate progress because i have a feeling if we keep it as is right now the project might get abandoned later in the future (not to be rude ofc). im pretty sure most smp servers would rather pay a small price for pumpkin in the future rather than pay big money on big servers.

if the idea seems a little too aggressive we can make it so that only the latest stable release or minecraft version is behind paywall

dreamy musk
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But how if it is Open Source?

native trench
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the only viable option would be to have paid prebuilt binaries and the option to build yourself for free, but at that point 95% of people will just build it themselves

dreamy musk
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Yeah. The only real way pumpkin can generate money, is by sponsorings.

native trench
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that and fees from paid plugins on the marketplace + ads if they are added

severe hearth
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yeah

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its crazy easy to build

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like two commands?

dreamy musk
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The only way to earn money with Open Source is to sell the hardware.
But there is no hardware atm. that could be sold

native trench
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or selling software support (basically the whole revenue model of companies like redhat)

native trench
dreamy musk
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What's ASIC?

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I thought of an Rbpi like computer with custom software, completely optimized to pumpkin.

native trench
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Application Specific Integrated Circuit, basically a CPU except it's not a general purpose CPU like intel, amd, arm, etc. but instead has an instruction set and architecture built around the specific task it will be used for

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during the whole crypto mining phase, you were able to buy bitcoin ASICs, which were specific chips with special instructions dedicated to computing hashes (and therefore mining bitcoin) faster, and dropped unneeded general instructions making the processor simpler and therefore more efficient

vapid jolt
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sell server hosting like modrinth

native trench
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We'd have to have money to invest into infrastructure

glacial cradle
robust kernel
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Funding is still a problem as of now, I hope when pumpkin is released more companies/bigger servers will donate like it is the case in other bigger FOSS projects, The Marketplace is also an option but not sure how realistic it is to have sufficient revenue from that

native trench
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-# reaction to the marketplace part
depends on how quickly it gets adapted and whether people will be willing to pay for premium plugins. It'll probably take a bit tho

robust kernel
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i also think it may be worth having like sponsor tiers listed on the website similar to bevy/linx foundation
https://bevy.org/donate/

Donate

Bevy is a refreshingly simple data-driven game engine built in Rust. It is free and open-source forever!

sterile stratus
dreamy musk
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Most costs result of paying developer.
In this case, Alex and the other contributor work for free, but if you calculate the costs that would come to pumpkin, it's about 300k.

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Per year. But you have to admit that they didn't work full time. So 300k is the current state of pumpkin. And at that point, not a single pc got bought.

severe hearth
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pc?

robust kernel
# sterile stratus if i may ask, what's so expensive with running OSS projects ? I'll soon release ...

Open Source does not cover the bills, You still need to pay for rent, food and other living expenses, The developer salary is ofc the most expensive thing you would need to pay, Most projects also have a domain but these are pretty cheap, also depends on the project but sometimes you also want to host some kind of community resources (plugins, packages (e.g npm, pypi...)), so the VPS and storage costs can also add up

sterile stratus
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makes sense ! thank you 🙂

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good luck in finding funds then

robust kernel
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ty

tidal dagger
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Hello, did you consider applying for a grant such as nlnet foundation?

robust kernel
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I did consider that but did not found any real suitable foundations, I think nlnet is more about HTTP/S stuff then gaming

queen laurel
robust kernel
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Ah not sure, currently only GitHub is an option, do you have any suggestions?

queen laurel
still urchin
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Bro wants pumkinslop

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If you try to add a pay wall, there will be forks of the current version wich when caught up can put pumkinmc out of buisness

cedar geyser
still urchin
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So you say pumin is trash cause software like paper spigot or purpur are free as well and rely on donations meaning that a bad product= little donations

cedar geyser
solar fox
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My understanding is that ko-fi takes a smaller cut of the cake from donations, so unless you're really prioritizing a tiered donation system with tiered benefits, maybe that should be considered over patreon.

queen laurel
solar fox
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recurring payments? yes.

queen laurel
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Then yeah, ko-fi also a variant

twilit orbit
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It's about how to make it as easy as possible for governments/organisations to fund your project. The easier you make it, the greater the chance of it happening!

robust kernel
burnt agate
native trench
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Well essentially all online payment providers take a cut, with stripe taking around 3% on domestic online payments and 4.5% for international (also I'm pretty sure there's an additional 1% fee if paying in a different currency). Ko-fi does take an additional 5% tho, so it would probably be beneficial to eliminate it from the chain. The only way to have a chance at 0 fees is if you do a direct bank transfer, but that depends on the two banks and whether they have fees for international transfers

queen laurel
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They take % because they makes easy to anyone make a payment, and bank transfer is the oposite of this

burnt agate
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Ye i meant unnecessary middleman, stripe etc are hard to cut out without becoming a licensed financial institution