Jolder Ultimate Build + Guide

[crisp forge]

(Text version coming soon, courtesy of @remote peak)

[remote peak]

Light linked companions:
Ikora - raw void damage boost - boosts SMG + Sword
Attal - Boosts buff duration (affects acceleration, overshield, retribution, control immunity and indomitable duration)
Alternative:
Gwynn - void boost on ability cast, main drawback being inconsistent or ineffective to apply over ikora but still a viable option

SMG:
Huckleberry - very high DPS (100-150k depending on catalyst tier)
Riskrunner - Good add clear potential
Honorable mentions:
DEL5 Kulfi W/ Fraternity / Syncopation - high damage output + good element (arc)
Wolfpack W/ Conjugation / Hyperaemia - 20% raw damage boost + reload on kill (with perk upgrade from hyperaemia)

Sword:
CLY2 Kakalik W/ Surrounded / Dismemberment - 300k+ DPS when near adds, 200k+ when not
Honorable mentions:
CLY2 Kakalik W/ Surrounded / Battle Cry - 200k+ DPS, focused more around add clear than boss damage (more ammo conservative)
Makeshift Ending W/ Fraternity / Black Body - 150k+ DPS, focused more around add clear + different element (solar)
Partridge Sky - add clear exotic sword, 150k+ DPS, can nuke a room of ads instantly

all above mentioned DPS is tested on shinkas in practice range < due to the innate damage increase, similar to the damage increase onto a boss

Artifact slot 1:
Resolute Conjunction - Jolders playstyle fits with them being central to adds, close up and personal, this means taking less damage from sources close to you is much more advantageous than other alternatives, on top of this the percentage is quite high (at max level, it is 35% less)
Alternatives:
Ring of Abundance - Increased potency to healing and overshields received, fits well in a healing build over a damage resist build
Unrelenting ground - Take less damage while stationary, direct alternative to resolute conjunction but active less
Bulwark Evolution - Grants armoured whenever taking damage, variable DR active consistently
Ring of Healing - Instantly applicable healing due to shield applying quick overshield
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Artifact slot 2:
Unrelenting Evolution - Applies 15 stacks of armoured whenever gaining damage resistance effects other than armoured. This fits amazingly with resolute conjunction as whenever you get hit by anything within 15 meters of you, it applies the 15 stacks of armoured, this totals to over 50% DR thats active over 90% of the time. Extremely strong if your going for a DR based build
Alternatives:
Ring of Safeguarding - applies an overshield when your shield is broken. fits very strongly with ring of healing
Healing Conjunction - Taking damage within 15 meters of the source recovers health per second (once every 15s). Very strong potential, limited by the cooldown a little but still a solid choice
Healing ground - Restores health on final blow while on the ground. As long as your not jumping about, the amount this heals is notable enough for it to be viable, especially so in solo content

Artifact slot 3:
Bellicose precession - Hitting a target 5x grants increased rate of fire until the magazine is emptied or the weapon is reloaded. Fits well with bubble during a damage phase and stacks well with the already applicable rate of fire buff for Huckleberry. Strength is mostly focused around DPS potential
Alternatives:
Ring of Courage - Take 8% less, and deal 16% more damage while protected by an overshield. Strong due to the easy application of overshield on Jolder
Jolted Transit - Deal less precision, and more body shot damage. Stacks very well onto swords due to not being able to do precision damage, permanently applied sword buff but weakens SMG
Mysterious Submagnetism - Deal more damage while stationary but less while moving. Focused again around boss damage but damage buff is quite high (only for SMG, does not benefit sword due to technically moving)
Inverted Fury - Gain weapon damage while shielded. Very strong, due to consistently being shielded during damage or even general play with the easy healing
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Artifact slot 4:
Rampaging Precession - Reloading after landing 10 hits grants the weapon a damage bonus. Easily applicable, permanently applied SMG buff. If you cant land 10 shots out of a mag of 40, you should not be allowed to play this game.
Alternatives:
Bellicose Planitesimal - Casting signature abilities grants weapon damage buff for short duration. Decent damage buff applied consistently, weaker than rampaging precession

In slot 4, rampaging precession is just so dominating that any possible alternative is still notably weaker

Attribute ranking - artifact 1/2:
Tier 1:
Defense Boost - High damage resist
Tier 2:
Elemental Resistance - High damage resist to elemental damage (which is more or less all damage you take)
Melee Resistance - High damage resist to enemies nearby
Health Boost - Increased health + damage resist when shield is broken
Healing Bonus - Increased effectiveness from healing (such as your slam ability)
Tier 3:
Ranged Damage resistance - High damage resist to enemies far away
Shield Boost - More shield + health recovery when shield is broken
Recovery boost - Increases Out-Of-Comat Health recovery. Dependant on added tier effect (chance to not interrupt natural health recovery when damaged)
Overshield Bonus - Grants additional overshield upon overshield acquisition (personally i dont think its very useful, since you only have overshield occasionally, but its a respectable choice)
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Attribute ranking - Artifact 3/4:
Tier 1:
Weapon Enhancement - literally raw damage, and its a massive boost
Void Boost - Raw damage again, stacks multiplicatively with weapon enhancement this boost should match your exotic, i have said void as i recommend using huckleberry
Tier 2:
Ability Strength** - Raw damage boost to your abilities, very strong during general play but not great during a damage phase (you shouldn't really be using your abilities other than your super during a damage phase)
Signature boost** - stacks multiplicatively with ability strength, very strong during general play but not great during a damage phase
Arc/Solar boost - stacks multiplicatively with weapon enhancement, very strong These boosts are only applicable if you are using weapons of this element, if you are using the top 2 recommended weapons (which are both void) you should not use these
Tier 3:
Super Boost - Only useful for added tier effect, applies nice benefits (more healing, more overshield bubble is stronger

Talent tree:
The most important parts of the talent tree are C1 and C3, C2 and C6 are good, C4 is decent, and C5 is ok
Once reaching C3 I do not believe it to be very necessary to go beyond that unless you plan on reaching C6, as the C4 and C5 benefits are the least beneficial

Gameplay Tips:
Jolder is focused around being a tank, if your not sure how to use this player you might not understand how, this is done by ability chaining in a way that can make you almost invulnerable to damage taken.
This can be done by using your shield which upon recall (the second cast of the ability in quick succession) will apply an overshield based on enemies hit. It can also apply the overshield to nearby allies from C2.
Ability chaining also uses the slam ability, By slamming you convert Rage into HP, giving you up to 350 HP/s(rage is accrued by being hit, you will usually have high rage). Rage can also give overshield, converting 100% of the healing into overshield, but only if Jolder already has an overshield

[neon bough]

Great work guys

Awesome colab

[remote peak]

Update:
Removed Ring of Conversion from alternate slot 2 artifacts due to being removed from suitability for stacking with shield toss

[vital cradle]

So cringe man

A lot of wasted resources especially for anyone that tefractiree

[neon bough]

Made changes suggested here, also bit the bullet and used my 14-day engram for huckleberry

And I one shot the 7min legendary challenge without really having much time to practice how Jolder works

[neon bough]

So is Nobunaga not even an option?

[neon bough]

Seems like there could be some good synergy between slashing readiness and coup de grace

[crisp forge]

@remote peak

[winged yew]

Thank you for the detailed guides Lightless and Jaka! Would either of you be able to showcase the build in the practice range? I've been testing it out and I'm not hitting even close to the DPS listed.

[remote peak]

hey, i personally havent tested the nobunaga, but i have looked into the perks lightly due to someone having requested it on the youtube guide
the sword doesnt have dismemberment which makes the kakalik so strong. the perk combo that stood out the most to me for the arc sword was surrounded / glutton, i'd need to go and see exactly how slashing readiness / coup de grace synergise to give an opinion on how well that would work, but from what i remember neither of those perks seemed to be anything special

[remote peak]

i forgot to mention initially, but damage tests were done on shinkas (now mentioned) due to them applying a similar 'damage buff' to a boss damage phase - allows for better / more accurate simulations of boss damage
outside of the shinka damage i believe that huckleberry can get somewhere around 40-60k dps and the sword gets around 100-150k dps <<< dont have the exact numbers on me, so these could be off by a little

[winged yew]

Ah, ok. That's actually pretty cool. Thanks for the clarification👍

[foggy trench]

Is it Definitely worth sidelining the huckleberry for now then and use the sword untill the huckleberry gets its 3rd upgrade that increases damage by 50% @remote peak

[naive spindle]

Hello everyone!

I have a ning and jolder as my 2nd and 3rd character together with Estela.

Would it be okay and will i be able to reach acclaim 15 if I just equip Jolder with 2 mythic weapons? Namely wolfpack and cly2?

I have Ning his exotic cross bow and I guess having Jolder use the same mythic smg seems to be the reasonable choice. But I wonder if this is okay? And if will i reach acclaim 15?

What are the downsides? The need to equip the both sword and smg with exotic mods?(unsure) I'm just acclaim 14 right now.

Thanks in advance!

[neon bough]

Acclaim depends on a lot more than weapons

You need to to make sure you’ve got decent artifacts that are levelled and enhanced, and your relic is levelled

[remote peak]

im still using huckleberry over the sword, its still really strong currently

[remote peak]

im unsure what your asking specifically
if your goal is to gather silver medals (and your issue is the light required) i would say to use mythic mods currently on your weapons, they are still quite good and will help you reach light
there are little to no downsides to equipping exotic mods onto each, considering they are both different weapon types (impact and rapid fire) there will likely be little overlap between the two mod types when your trying to kit them out

[foggy trench]

Nice also have you been able to get past stage 26 echoes I’m struggling big time with that

[remote peak]

I’ve made it to stage 29, stage 30 is very hard without some good special drops

[foggy trench]

Very nice are you on EU server? I struggle with the management of stage 26 as I leave the sheilded guy and focus the elites but get overwhelmed by the damage they give

[remote peak]

Yh, I’m on eu

[foggy trench]

Let me add you up

[remote peak]

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[topaz mist]

is Jolder with only T1 unlocked still worth using? I don't have her T3 unlocked

[crisp forge]

Yes she’s still completely good to use

All of the base 5s and for that matter all 5s can be used without copies

[topaz mist]

Is it worth getting the catalysts for huckleberry then?

[crisp forge]

@remote peak

[remote peak]

100%, cat band 2 is a 50% buff

[foggy trench]

I know this may be a stupid question but are mythic mods +10 just as good exotic +7 at this current time?

Got exotic mods on makeshift but want to try out cly2

[gilded sandal]

Mythic mods cap at like 860 power, while exotics give like 1160 or so at +7 not factoring in the extra from having the same perk on the gun

[foggy trench]

It’s a shame you can’t switch mods on weapons of the same type grinding them mods are a pain in the ass

[topaz mist]

What does cat band 2 mean?

[remote peak]

this

theres the base catalyst, band 1 and band 2

[remote peak]

as an exact comparison for you
a mythic mod in the mag slot at +10 gives 9% weapon hit damage on a sword, an exotic mod at +7 gives 10.5%
so it is slightly weaker

[neon bough]

Oh yeah!

Now I get to test the synergy between those two perks.

[neon bough]

lol what luck I am having today

I just got the dismemberment ammo rofl

[crisp forge]

That’s solid jeez

[hidden oar]

Is ring of abundance still good on her considering i keep hearing people say its been nerfed?

[lapis drum]

I don't think ring of abundance was changed. it can be good if you incorporate other healing artifacts but damage resistance ones like resolute conjunction are more reliable and consistent imo

[remote peak]

got the same sword with double perk upgrades, testing shows i can reach around 400k dps with it
my heavy attacks get over 500k damage each lmao, and i get them so fast with dismemberment

about 5m ish in 11-13s

[neon bough]

Yeah I’m loving it.

[remote peak]

It is really fun, and insanely strong

And mine still ain’t max, my middle exotic mod ain’t great

And none of my mods are +10

[neon bough]

To other sword is interesting.

Heavy -> Heavy -> Instant full energy + 150% heavy dmg increase -> Three light wings with +50% dmg increase -> Heavy that uses the heavy dmg increase

I was hoping it would work well, but it doesn’t

Damage is too slow

[remote peak]

Yh, I’ve tested loads of combos of the sword, had about 100 different drops

I’m quite confident the role above is the best damage role

[neon bough]

Yeah, agreed

[vagrant geode]

This is an amazing find here, i was scratching my head to find out how to pull the most out of my iron champion. Thank you for everyones work on this

[toxic arrow]

Can someone explain how sword energy works?

[verbal granite]

Does Resolute Conjunction actually trigger Unrelenting Evolution? Has anyone tested it + the differences or is it just theory craft

[remote peak]

ive been using it for a while, havent tested to see if it works exactly how i stated but im also like never dying with it (even when under light in activities)

[remote peak]

sword energy slowly fills up over time after using a heavy attack, once using a heavy attack you should see a ring around your crosshair slowly filling
once that is full, that means your sword energy is full / your heavy attack is charged
using your heavy attack once it is charged makes it do more damage

[verbal granite]

Word I'm glad if so I got some cracked stat rolls on them for Jolder so I was hoping to make use of them

[sinful dune]

Is the Exotic Sword even worth it? Bc I have it and it's fairly alr

But just curious if I should scrap it and get a mythic instead with Godroll?

[normal marten]

I’m wondering something similar, since the Exotic READS like it’d do some dmg, like long term do I go with godroll Wolfpack smg and the exotic sword (ik T1 Jolder essentially gives infinite smg ammo for a time, turning Wolfpack into a baby Huckleberry) or commit Huckleberry and mythic void sword til time immemorial?

[remote peak]

its dps is worse than the mythic sword, but is has its place in the game defo

in areas like pvp, its super powerful, in anything where your mostly killing ads its really strong

essentially, in anything other than issakis its better than the mythic sword (other than maybe strikes cuz bosses yk)

but in turn, you'd need to use a mythic smg - some mythic smg's are good, but like huckleberry is insane

[normal marten]

ah thats sad, I'll just huckleberry then, thanks for the input

[foggy trench]

Tested huckleberry T3 with bubble + over shield was hitting 15-17k per bullet

[foggy trench]

Is annihilation and dismemberment a good combo on cly2?

[remote peak]

its solid, annihilation really isnt that good tho

[neon bough]

Wouldn’t it be better in any situation where there is only one target.

[remote peak]

Technically yes, but when are you in a situation that there is literally nothing else within 15 meters

And when you are in this situation, it is highly unlikely that one target is actually very tanky, so 1 hit and they probs dead either way

[marsh loom]

Is there a reason you didn't shout out Engraved Remembrance // Dismemberment on CLY2? Surrounded is obviously goat if you can proc it but Remembrance seems a great alternative if there's just one boss.

[remote peak]

because the health requirement, im not 100% on this but assuming shield isnt counted as health, you need to be almost dead for it to even activate

[marsh loom]

Ahhh gotcha

yeah, makes sense!

[worn mural]

Ooo cool

[neon bough]

@remote peak oh yea

[crisp forge]

Yummy

[modern sage]

Was mod we want in the middle for the sword, it Doesnt exist any with a Perk Bonus Right?

[remote peak]

yea, just a mod thats any good with sword perks n stuff, nothing specific

[modern sage]

Ok thanks 🙂

[crisp forge]

#videos-and-streams message Video edition for those interested

[foggy trench]

@remote peak have you tested out inverted fury vs bellicose with huckleberry which one comes out on top for dps?

[remote peak]

i have yes (not recently, but im gonna guess it wontve changed)
they are really close in damage, its really just personal preference << bellicose is slightly higher and more focused around killing higher health targets, inverted is better for general play

[normal marten]

I’m hearing Wolfpack just isn’t hitting numbers close to Kulfi, godroll to godroll and that hurts my feelings a lil cuz Wolfpack has great talents, Sinful Karma and Hyperaimea sounded like a hoot

I have a Conjugation/Black Body roll for Jolder when I get her but I do already have a Frat/Glutton Kulfi maxed

It’s annoying cuz I don’t have all of these things to test with and so I can’t tell what’s exaggeration or not

[remote peak]

everything ive seen shows kulfi doing better than wolfpack recently
which tbf is good for jolder - lets her use more elements easily

if your using a mythic SMG, your probably using the exotic sword

so using kulfi lets you use all 3 elements

[normal marten]

Yeah, avatar loadout, handle three types of Shinkas

Prolly the most fun I’ll have too… still will try for that Karma/Hyper roll

[foggy trench]

❤️

[vital cradle]

I prefered wolfpack for PVP (Speaking as a Ning player btw) but in my very short testing, I dont think Light Weight frame even gives a big mobility boost...the mobility Boost from Nobunaga (Arc sword) is pretty fat. I dont feel the same effect on Wolf Pack and I value mobility a lot in Shifting Gates

So I've sadly ditched it for a godroll Kulfi and honestly....it does perform better

Mobility in D2 effected everything like Movement Speed, Jump Height etc\

[toxic arrow]

Has anyone beat level 30 of expanse with a sub 67k Jolder? Any tips?

[marsh loom]

Yes. I was just at 66k when I cleared.

The most impactful thing for me was taking ALMOST NO shockwave boons.

Get + damage for non-precision hits (your sword deals non-precision damage) and close range damage. Try and get one of them to level 3 and the other to level 2.

Also take +50% ammo drops from close range targets.

Start the fight without spending sword ammo unless a brick drops from the opening thrall pack incidentally. Super on the boss and rip Huckleberry into him, revved up on the Thrall, until he phases.

Go right first. Sword down the Shinka, if you have Surrounded on your CLY2 you should do great. Then rotate left, you should be able to pick up enough ammo off the boosted drops to sword the boss again. Your super should recharge just about when he Enrages — use it and finish him off.

[toxic arrow]

Good tips! The game was so stingy with both of those perks, I didn't get them until the end. Probably worth re-running it eh?

I'll take a look at my CLY2 perks and start rolling them if it's not surrounded.

[marsh loom]

i went all shockwaves on my first attempt because that’s how i play chaos, i want the fun stuff! got pounded at floor 30 instantly and had to run it back in tryhard mode

[toxic arrow]

You'd think the main perks would outperform, oh well.

[marsh loom]

did some math and realised each shockwave was like 0.2s of Huckleberry shots

the shockwave perks that functionally increase health were good though

[toxic arrow]

My huckleberry doesn't seem to perform well for damage. Did you have it upgraded pretty far along the catalyst?

[marsh loom]

i have tier 2 catalyst, not 3 yet.

[lapis drum]

ye the shockwave itself sucks, dont play around it

damage wise

was roughly 63k when I cleared and was using partridge and the arc smg

[storm oxide]

Reality check time - my 68k Jolder was gatekept today in Calamity Expert 1. The Gwynns and Estellas tell me I should swap. Question - did I brick my acc because of maining her? It seems the calamity favours pure DMG, and not the tankiness/utility

I was about to max my Huckleberry catalyst next week, but tbh, if people don't want to team up with Shoulder, might as well just reroll to Gwynn

And yet another team disbanded... 😢

[marsh loom]

the world first team had three jolders, she’s great. You might need to lfg instead of queueing.

[remote peak]

^^
It’s very dependant on what content, anything where your underlevelled and learning she’s super strong

Also, resources are available enough for you to get a lot of characters high enough for most content

[toxic arrow]

I'm 67k and still can't beat 30! It's insane how squishy and weak a tank feels. I put my resource load into huckleberry unfortunately and it's not paying off.

[lapis drum]

I didn't feel that squishy unless enrage kicked in. Was running overshield artifacts which helped with survivability but something like inverted fury + bellicose planitesimal is way better for damage I think and what im working towards now

[remote peak]

^^
I only ever feel prone to death as jolder when I’m not chaining abilities correctly

[lapis drum]

ya youre healing and shielding capability is crazy if you do, especially if you use your rage properly and get benefit from the ability recharge

and not just spamming abilities off cooldown lol

[signal wedge]

@remote peak I'm hearing I'm holding myself back now I've invested in Huckleberry. Thoughts on this? Is Huckle that far behind the Arc SMG and Exotic Sword?

[rigid basin]

The 50% damage boost on the last catalytic band is huge. There are a ton of modifiers in expanse that reload your weapon from reserves on hit and expand your magazine, which basically turns Huckleberry into a LMG with rampage. And in other content, it provides just enough juice to finish off those enemies you used to only be able to get to 10% health and then have to reload

[rigid basin]

I cleared at 67008 and was using Huck and Solar sword.

[lapis drum]

I think Hunkleberry really only stands out in dedicated dps phases when you can sit in your bubble with an infinite mag. Partridge puts in a lot of work for things like expanse.

[signal wedge]

Struggling with the last boss fight in expanse atm, genuinely think I can only do it when I hit power

[lapis drum]

what upgrades are you picking during the run?

imo the only things worth upgrading are the extra damage to close targets or extra non-precision damage

my most recent run was sub 10 min on a Jolder that's still 64700 so it's totally doable. could prob get the 9min key if I run it cleaner

[signal wedge]

I've got damage to close range at 2 and non precision at 3. Pop super on pull, melt him down. Run to the right and use sword to drop the shinka and then move left. Usually finish this with about 50-60 seconds left and run back to boss, use any left over sword ammo and try to save ult for when he's in bubble at end but can't do enough damage.

That's with Huck and the Void sword with Surrounded, but feels like it's just not possible, and I'm even at 66k

I must be doing something wrong or just simply skill issue, because yeah.. I'm struggling

[lapis drum]

im assuming the boss is enraging then and becomes impossible to kill, cause that was the problem I was having when I first attempted way under light

I use Partridge and the arc smg with annihilate + synco and only use Partridge for weaving heavy attacks. idk if that is the diff or you just need to be doing something different with huckle and your sword

[signal wedge]

I'm hearing that Partridge is just the play tbh, but sunk cost is killing me lol

[lapis drum]

Huckle is prob better for calamity and onslaught just for dps phases, but Partridge really shreds elites and shinkas to shave time for expanse

reminds me of using Anarchy in d2 lol

[signal wedge]

What catalyst node do you think I'll need?

Might just start getting up now for expanse

[lapis drum]

i only have the first

obv any more would be better but I wanna invest in other things for other characters

[marsh loom]

Perhaps it’s skill issue but I couldn’t clear at all with Partridge at 67040 despite lots of trying, Huck + CLY2 I’ve got down to almost 9 minutes and clearing every time

It’s likely artifact issue though, I have Void Boost at 9 and nothing in Solar Boost

[lapis drum]

i dont have any elemental boosts, just signature/ability/weapon

[signal wedge]

Switched to Partridge and got Cat 2 with no other boosts and it's clear. No Syncopation on my Arc SMG, which is clearly the best perk and the damage tests I did in the range and on the boss were night and day.

Huckleberry inside ult and continuing to shoot until after ult ends and I need to reload does a total of 914k and I'm pretty deep invested. The Arc SMG without Syncopation did 868k.

Those numbers shocked me as I thought the gap would be bigger, I have no doubt a god roll might be closer if not better.

Then, a full magazine with rotation of light and heavy with my CLY2 did 505k total damage and the partridge did 629k.

I think I'm now pretty convinced Partridge&Arc SMG is clear damage wise - paired with the fact that I now cover every shield is a win win

[lapis drum]

interesting math to see

[signal wedge]

Gonna retest with the precession mods once they drop, as wasnt using those

[lime rune]

Which artifacts are u running?

[remote peak]

I’m personally still using huckleberry but I’ve heard good stuff about the sword
Can’t comment on any exact differences as I haven’t invested in the sword due to investing in other characters (can’t be a jolder one trick in this economy)
I’m gonna go with an educated guess, which tells me that it’s literally just preference - huckleberry is a good bit better than the mythic smg’s, partridge is a good bit better than the mythic swords however getting the mythic weapons to max is way easier

[remote peak]

Also, I have no clue what damage testing you did but having just checked I get 2.1m with huckleberry (shooting in bubble until I run out of ammo), using a fraternity/syncopation SMG I got 1.4m exactly
(My huckleberry isn’t max, I’m missing the final 3 boosts, my SMG isn’t max, it only has mythic mods instead of exotic, but the mythical are level 10)

^^
Tested on inf health normal shank

[signal wedge]

Is that with Cat 3? As I think Cat 3 would make a massive improvement, for me it was only Cat 2.

[remote peak]

Also, my sword gets me 1.2m for all its ammo

[remote peak]

Yh, max other than the final 3 boosts

Even still, that’s roughly a 50% damage boost (slightly less) - your testing is less than half of mine

[signal wedge]

Yeah, for sure. For me it was just a scuffed test with what I have currently.

[remote peak]

I can’t say exactly how strong partridge is ofc, but I’m still a believer that raw damage potential is taken by huckle/CLY2 whereas add clear potential is probably won by partridge (due to the heavy attacks add clear, and better shield coverage)

[lapis drum]

Partridge + smg might have better burst if you swap just for heavies compared to just laying on the trigger with huckle, something I think is overlooked. Using partridge like a typical sword doesn't feel great. I mentioned it feeling like Anarchy prior cause it's heavy attacks are just free damage that tick in the background while using your smg like normal.

[marsh loom]

IMO it’s dependent on your artifact focus.

Weapon Enhancement grants a higher damage bonus per tier than Element does, but Element bonus is far better for any Lightbearer with a damage Super or high-damage signature abilities.

For Jolder, Element bonus is less impactful than on other Lightbearers, because our abilities don’t deal major damage. It’s far less important to boost element damage on Jolder than it is on, say, Umeko.

Theoretically it does means it’s “better” to run a mixed element loadout on Jolder than it would be on most other Lightbearers. On anyone with high damage abilities, you’re just making a huge mistake if you don’t boost your element and match it to your guns. On Jolder, it doesn’t matter that you have an Arc SMG and a Solar Sword on a Void character because you’re not incentivised to match all your elements to capitalise on an elemental damage boost in your Artifacts.

At the moment, because “can’t be a Jolder one trick”, my Void artifacts are being used on multiple characters and are tuned towards Gwynn — who does need to stack Void damage boost. This does have the obvious result of me having a way easier time on void SMG + void Sword on Jolder - my artifacts are all borrowed from Gwynn and I have thicc boosts on Void and nothing for Solar / Arc.

In the future, when I can afford to have a Jolder-specific Artifact set, I can see a mixed loadout with Partridge being better.

[storm oxide]

might be a silly question but can we actually test fraternity in shooting range? does it work when you're not in the fireteam? or does the game thinks you're in a 1-man fireteam when solo and the buff is always up?

[remote peak]

Always up

[storm oxide]

ty for clarification

[signal wedge]

Sword buffs shortly after the whole discussion above, are you planning to make any changes to your loadout Jaka?

[rigid basin]

Retribution adds void damage though, and 13 stacks of retribution is 117% more void damage

[marsh loom]

retribution does add a lot. I haven’t actually gone and done the numbers for 10 void 10 weapon huck cly2 // 10 solar 10 weapon arc smg partridge.

I’m more saying, it makes a lot of sense that I’m struggling in the Partridge loadout when I’m at tier 9 void boost so my huck and cly2 are eating great.

[normal marten]

theres so many variables that make testing weird, like "calculating" damage within a certain timeframe, how the sword WANTS you to use it ie Patridge has Battle Cry so you charged heavy, and swing til Battle Cry is over and out of bubble that translates to 9 lights until I heavy again to refresh Battle Cry via heavy atk, other swords have similar contextual ideal combos, attributes affect dmg blah blah like I'm just gonna commit to Kulfi/Patridge and BE HAPPY

[storm oxide]

ngl, the ammo changes look delicious

[cloud dome]

Partridge sky go brrrd

[modern sage]

So huckleberry Not any worth anymore? 🙁 All Mats wasted?

[cloud dome]

Yes it is partrige better imo though

[trail phoenix]

tryna pivot to kulfi + partridge, whats the godroll for kulfi i shud be looking out for?

[lapis drum]

Fraternity + Syncopation

honestly all the 1st perks are pretty good and I think they all have perk upgrades with exotic mods

[trail phoenix]

tysm:)

[trail phoenix]

ooo yea i have a rly gud exotic mod for annihilation, so if i get annihilation syncopation before frat, might just call it there LOL

[normal marten]

That’s what I did

[cloud dome]

Ahh

[remote peak]

Tbh not sure
The only thing I’ve started to notice is that jolder is kinda cooked

I’m still likely gonna stay the same, however the buffs to lend towards partridge being better - again I don’t have the stuff to test this so idk for sure

[signal wedge]

Would be nice to find some whale who has c3 on both Partridge and Huck who can give us the numbers

[remote peak]

I have a more or less max huckleberry atm, and can hit 2.1m damage from a bubble (25ish seconds) - missing about 20% from the final 3 boosts, 2 of them give 10%’s

[lone edge]

Jolder kinda crazy right now
huckleberry is still good
swords feel amazing even as movement options in calamity/exspanse

[neon bough]

Hell yes!

I finally did expanse 30 on jolder

Swapping to a CLY2 with annihilation made the difference

[runic lantern]

So which one would be her best exotic, Huckleberry or Partridge? If Huckleberry, which mythic sword would be the best? And if Partridge, wolfpack or kulfi as SMG?

[lime rune]

Kulfi and CLY2 are the best mith

Kulfi godroll>hucleburry not maxed

[rigid basin]

Made it to the expert II promotion zone on Jolder, let's go.

[dusty garden]

So kulfi god roll + partridge is better atm ?

or kulfi + CLY2

[lone edge]

there is no better
if u need arc -> kulfi is best
when u need void -> huckleberry/void smg/CLY2
when u need solar -> partridge
u need BURST dmg -> CLY2

u cant just build 2 weapon and say "im done"

[dusty garden]

so my perfect nobu is out

[lone edge]

still in the making of trying out arc/solar mythic swords
but alone with the fact that going void dmg in artefacts increases my QE and my void weapon
makes every void weapon a tiny bit stronger

and im speaking from a high level (rank 1 eu eclipse here)

[dusty garden]

ATM i have the wolfpack and nobu with good perk on both but atm i dont up my jolder because im lost on her

[lone edge]

just a random tryout with my mates with huckleberry + cly2

[storm oxide]

there's arguments to be made for both options. how I see it - it's mostly situational - Partridge/Kulfi is better for bursting adds, Huck/CLY2 better for bossing.

[dusty garden]

in case of raid or calamity wich way u will go ?

[lone edge]

calamity u need burst so cly2

[dusty garden]

well just got my kulfi frater + synco

[dusty garden]

if i stay kulfi and cly2 for all rounded cant be good ? or better huck and cly2 ?

or really need to up everything

[storm oxide]

this is what I'm running recently but since my Partridge is doodoo, I'm using CLY2. it sounds dumb, but this gives me the best results.

[lone edge]

kulfi is 100% fine
so u can save the mats instead of going into huck

last calamity cycle i got master with jolder so works fine

[storm oxide]

as you can tell from what Loading posted - it really depends - he shreded with Huckleberry in his match

[dusty garden]

so going with 2 mythic is fine ?

[lone edge]

100%
nothing wrong about it tbh

i got with huckle so i can rapid fire exo mod my estela and i dont need to waste them on jolder

[storm oxide]

maxed out catalysts?

[lone edge]

nop
need still last catalyst + 2x boost

but the sword buffs makes swords better then any gwynn

[storm oxide]

nice. gives me hope as Jolder player. last reset people would instantly disband in expert 2 seeing my Jolder

had to role play as Ning Fei, lol

[lone edge]

got to master but with my mates
so its 100% doable (this cycle is kinda easier tbh)
but for me jolder is better then gwynn and i beat her anytime in everything

with the sword buffs we can even use sword for movement and are faster then gwynns

[storm oxide]

yeah, swords with ammo tunning feel much smoother now. also I love CLY2 with surrounded - it just shreds elites once there's an add around, and that's quite common scenario

[lone edge]

can feel it :)

[storm oxide]

yeah, definitely. I'm not saying it's not doable, but the gatekeeping makes it hard to queue

[storm oxide]

oh yes, this is the way

[lone edge]

still hoping for surrounded exo mod

just give me more swing speed xD

[dusty garden]

actually this sword is better than partridge ?

[lone edge]

they do different stuff
partridge is more like a "destroy solar shields / add clear weapon"
cly2 is 100% for bursting down big targets like shinkas/bosses

for me cly2 is everytime the better options because for solar shields/add clear i have my teammates or my skills

and huckle ofcourse

[dusty garden]

i see then

[storm oxide]

you know what, honestly I'd say you'd be fine running kulfi + CYL2 and decide on which exotic go with once the meta is settled. it might not be the most optimal setup, but at least you won't run into overinvesting into something that will turn out to underperform

[lone edge]

its just important to know
once u put in ressources u cant get them back

[dusty garden]

tbh im more invested in my wolf actually my jolder is only c2 i cash a bit and also got estella c2

[lone edge]

only bought almost all bundles and got her quickly to c6 (ning/tan only c1) so got lucky and feels awesome to play her on c6

[dusty garden]

to mluch for me atm xD so i think i will not having one to c6 on my life

[storm oxide]

ah, ok so there's that. I got her C1, I can imagine extra stacks from C4 makes quite a difference

[lone edge]

c1 is fine
to reload with slam is huge tbh
helps with opening rapidfire shinkas

[storm oxide]

yeah, C1 is very solid

[dusty garden]

i hearded nobu was great and got it this morning but didnt read patch and now i cry a bit xD

[neon bough]

After rolling an annihilation one I’ll never go back to surrounded.

[lone edge]

sadly annihilation isnt always activ
i use annihilation for boss thats it

[neon bough]

Neither is surrounded

[lone edge]

everytime 45% > sometimes 45% +20%

[neon bough]

But at least a annihilation is guaranteed @ %

[lone edge]

? never played calamity when 0 mobs where alife
they always spawn at any time

and if u speed run the big hitting people (so jolder) is going for shinkas/high hp targets anyway
so u skip many small adds to perma prock surrounded

annihilation -> for boss fights
surrounded -> general gameplay

[dusty garden]

real thanks for all this info look like i know now on what im going on her huck and CLY2 For general and gonna be fine since im not a hard tryharder

[lone edge]

np np
many rolls to play have fun :)

[normal marten]

Mmm so time to go for a Kakalik godroll

[late lily]

is bellicose precession worth using if not using huckle? since it doesn’t have reload on kill

[rigid basin]

Huckleberry Jolder made top 10%. Let's get it.

[rigid basin]

You saw my Huckleberry build MVP in a top 10% run >:)

[trail phoenix]

anyone have tips for expanse echoes? trying to clear stage 30 with my 63.8k jolder. got super close to killing the boss one time but wiped because of time 😭

lowk shud just try to get carried in calamity so i can get clusters n get jokder weapon mastery maxed 😩

[normal marten]

My advice is to follow your own advice

[trail phoenix]

LOL

did in fact get carried to expert 1

think i prob hafta wait till monthly reset for the other two clusters i need

[trail phoenix]

HOLY COW

I JUST CLEARED IT

LMFAOOOO i was like "one more try before i log off for the day"

all the heavy ammo lined up perffff

[neon bough]

Nice

[naive spindle]

Hello everyone can I get a suggestion. I still don't have a decent void character to do Expanse Chaos. I can either fully invest on Umeko or Jolder.

For Umeko, so far I can C2 borealis with 5 Catalysis boost.

or

For Jolder, focus on Partridge C1 then just use my wolfpack fully upgraded exotic mods.

I'm not in vibe with Jolder but I need a decent void character.. should've gotten a Gwynn atleast to C1.

Can Jolder or Umeko do 6:30 mins at 67k(think I can reach 67k with my stock up mats).

[trail phoenix]

might want to look at leaderboards to see if people in ur situation have done it before

[modern flame]

Is the CLY2 still the best sword to use alongside huckleberry for the best loadout for her?

[remote peak]

that is still a good option, or going for the shield stripping side (kulfi + partridge)
neither are bad, i know the CLY2 + huckle is really strong if built right, but im hearing a lot about partridge being really really strong if used right

[modern flame]

I’m not having good luck with partridge

[rigid basin]

I'm using Huckleberry and I cleared expanse 30 in sub 8 minutes on my first run. No deaths.

I'll probably go back and get that last key at some point.

I will never recommend Partridge over Huckleberry (which needs to be fully maxed). You're just throwing out the best part of her kit, which is Huckleberry+Bubble = dead boss.

[lapis drum]

an invested huckle with SMG artifacts will be your best option for bosses no contest

[rigid basin]

Partridge can be better for extremely add-heavy activities, but I don't like being tied to heavy ammo, and I feel a mythic sword for shield busting is all i really need. Huckleberry and abilities can take care of business.

Huckleberry is an all-arounder, Partridge is more niche. But because Partridge performs better when both aren't fully built thanks to being a heavy, it's getting more recognition.

[lapis drum]

you really need the last catalyst upgrade for huckle for it to take off don't you?

[rigid basin]

Just sucks that people are being swayed towards stopping their Huckleberry investments, and now they're just going to have both half built.

[rigid basin]

Yeah, you do.

And I'd argue the two nodes under it as well

[lapis drum]

I mean I like the partridge niche but if you really wanna invest in your Jolder huckle is the better investment most likely. But for me personally Jolder has kinda been put on a back burner

@naive spindle replying to you here to keep things on topic

I use Kulfi + Partridge but that's not a traditional setup

My partridge is barely invested and if you need more void damage for shields you could try using a wolfpack instead of Kulfi

retribution stacks also add void damage to your weapon attacks

you also only need to beat 7:00 for all keys, not 6:30. i got 6:39

[modern flame]

I just want a good impact unit

Right now I’m not interested in gwynns kit and jolder is the next best thing

[neon bough]

Honestly, I regret investing in Gwynn now that I have a T3 Estella and my Jolder is sitting at 67k

[modern flame]

I got my Tan almost fully invested he’s 72.6k and literally just missing the last cat for the Polaris

And my artifacts are all 2800+

I haven’t invested in Gwynn luckily

[neon bough]

Yeah I just need one more Polaris and I’m done

[modern flame]

I just need someone to do these dumb void impact expanse floors man…

I feel like her kit is so ass with the shotgun the sword is so much better lol

[rigid basin]

Jolder will outlast Gwynn, trust. That bubble will always have a place, alongside her ability to take all damage.

If Netease sent me an offer and it was "You may swap out your T5 Jolder for a T5 Gwynn, do you accept"

I'd say no

Jolder for life!

[neon bough]

If I could have everything from Gwynn back I’d say yes in a heartbeat.

She was fun in the beginning, now she’s boring as hell.

I enjoy Jolder more, which is weird, because I normally hate characters like Jolder

[buoyant sequoia]

I mean they recognize that Jolder was falling off in terms of play and seems like want people to play Jolder (and Finnola) more -- they buffed sword because of it. If the playtimes (whether due to perception or not) are low, they'll probably buff even more. That said, I think they're probably heading toward trying to get more people to have more characters built for different modes. I can see eventual modes where you'll want both built for various reasons or locked out TBH.

Overall, for me Jolder is more fun but I won't regret building any character, just more chance for me to use the best one for the best scenario.

[obsidian pollen]

Which would you guys take? Probably Boss/Powerful since it affects light attacks too right?

[obsidian pollen]

actually maybe not since it's only 2 light attacks between heavy with the godrolled Kakalik

took heavy and my heavies went from 50k to 80k nice ;D

[junior zinc]

wasnt even planning to build this but randomly got all three perfect exotic mod godrolls for the sword lmao

[trail phoenix]

stop ur making me jelly 😠

[junior zinc]

and somehow ive gotten t5 jolder 😭😭 im like 5 pulls away from a mythic choice 180/180, im planning to choose ning fei 😭😭

but it feels like the universe is telling me to play jolder

[trail phoenix]

u gotta do jolder mannnn T6 go crazy

[junior zinc]

forreal? how often do you get the double shield throws

[trail phoenix]

jolders too cool, still tryna decrypt for kakalik godroll, but after tmrw's monthly reset ima max her weapon mastery 😄

[trail phoenix]

IDK BUT IT SEEMS OP LOL

[junior zinc]

MANNNN

[trail phoenix]

trusttttt the universe be telling me to go jolder too, 3 jolders 1 ning fei so far

netease told me they gonna buff jolder again 👀

[lapis drum]

all the time

[junior zinc]

do u have gameplay of it by any chance?

would love to see it in action

[lapis drum]

nah I dont record lol

[junior zinc]

nooooo

[lapis drum]

anytime there's a good amount of adds tho it's gonna proc

basically any time you'd already be proc'ing surrounded

[rigid basin]

If they buff Jolder, that would actually be so funny. She's cracked at T6 and I couldn't even imagine.

[junior zinc]

could you take a video of u using t6? trying to suss it out

[normal marten]

I'm a t0 Jolder... was wondering why the Shinkas werent dying as fast as they should... not saying oh Jolder >>>> even tho I love her, just, good Jolder will have a place on any team

I need this game to blow up, because it is genuinely great, and I need people to WANT to know whats optimal

cuz like dog... a t6 Estela?

just made me mad, venting

[lapis drum]

bad players gonna be bad

maybe they were playing on touch controls lol

[rigid basin]

Jolder requires some skill for sure. You have to really be aware of enemy movements and when to use your slam to get the most aggro/damage. You need to know when to kill adds to get stacks of rampage, before refocusing on a boss. You need to take proper angles to make sure you get the most sihield bounces possible.

[trail phoenix]

i've decided to support the developers n buy some silver tn 😂 gonna cop some journey bundles and pray for jolder t3 (maybe t4 👀 )

[vital cradle]

Def get the journey bundles

[marsh loom]

journey bundles are really high value swiping

make sure to save any of the pink / LE boats in them for a limited banner you like

[shadow island]

Alright jolder experts. I got t3 jolder on my way to 180. Should I get her t4 with the selector or t1 my ning? Right now my estella is 66k and jolder and ning around 60k.

Can jolder really slap at higher talents?

[vagrant geode]

t1 ning, and also yes to your 2nd question, but there is more vaule getting ning to t1

[toxic arrow]

Alright fellas, what are your recommended artifacts and perks for a huckleberry goddess? Is weapon enhancement top tier because of our reliance on primary damage in bubble?

[marsh loom]

weapon enhancement is top tier for everybody, everybody has guns and spends most of their time shooting them (but yes, especially jolder)

[lapis drum]

☝️ 🤓 erm akshually weapon enhancement is low priority for estela cause her summons do most of her damage, but she's an exception

[trail phoenix]

finally got my godroll kakalik 😤

[shadow island]

Whats a god roll kak?

[trail phoenix]

p sure it’s either surrounded dismemberment or annihilation dismemberment

[obsidian pollen]

thing is crazy. heavy charge every other swing

i have annihilation dismember

[trail phoenix]

yuppp same, i got lucky with a dismember mod so heavies are basically 2x dmg 😆

[obsidian pollen]

same got the exotic dismember too ;D

and exotic culture clash just need annihilation now

[remote peak]

If your using the cly2 godroll, the charged heavy attack bonus is more beneficial, as the vast majority of your damage comes from heavy hits

[rigid basin]

T4 Jolder is a huge milestone, thanks to three more retribution stacks.

[shadow island]

A bigger milestone than t1 ning?

[rigid basin]

I think so. Who do you like playing more?

Well actually no. Is t1 the extra clone charge?

[shadow island]

It is.

[rigid basin]

That extra charge is actually great. I'd put them on par.

[trail phoenix]

t3 jolder and t0 ning rn, with guaranteed mythic soon. ill let netease decide who to max out next after estela (unless they give me a tan 😂 )

[shadow island]

That's the same boat I was in. I'm just not in to nings play style as much as jolder. She's just super comfy while ning is too sweaty.

[trail phoenix]

totally understand that perspective lol, i thought the same initially but after playing ning a little more i might be warming up to him

[obsidian pollen]

Went t6 Ning first myself 😅 Jolder t2 and Tan t3 just from rng. Will focus Jolder now though. Didn't pull Gwynn nor Estela

[remote peak]

ning is insanely strong if you build him right

[cloud matrix]

So I actually used this guide the day it dropped and built my Jolder around it apart from the sword (Big Mistake!)
I already had a good roll on the Makeshift Ending and thought it would be fine to run... and then The Expanse Echoes Week 1 came out and it was literally insane & nearly impossible... but after MANY attempts I managed to clear it but I had to keep trying because it was the only thing holding back my acclaim rank up.

I was too invested in both Huckleberry and Makeshift ending at the time so I had no choice but to optimise the run and eventually clear it. This weeks is a lot better and my Jolder was using the exact same setup as week one. For anyone struggling just to clear it in general I have uploaded both clears and build breakdown on my Youtube channel under the same username. Hope this helps! (Direct link was blocked by server... Sorry.)

Also I am holding back any levelling until I make up my mind to either level up my Kulfi and Partridge or just go full send with current build and replace the sword for a Annihilation / Dismemberment Kakalik. If anyone has anymore pointers I'd appreciate it

[obsidian pollen]

imo when it comes to Max power ammo efficiency nothing comes close to void sword with dismemberment

Also it's becoming increasingly more clear that stacking the same ability element and weapon elements is the way to go for most characters. Since then you only need to focus one element boost on your artifacts which increases weapon damage as well as ability damage

Only exception is for characters whose abilities don't do much damage, like Umeko. Jolder does crazy damage with shield throw though

[lapis drum]

you can argue jolder still falls into that category without a damage super, mediocre first ability, and artifacts focusing on weapon damage

[obsidian pollen]

Well the first ability is basically just there to stack retribution and reset the cool down on shield throw. And I believe the retribution stacks count as ability damage

[remote peak]

i would not recommend annihilation on kakalik, surrounded is substantially better (more consistent damage buff + equal to if not higher buff depending on the health of the target)
other than that, i have nothing else to comment on what you want to do lmao, go with what you think is best - everything else you've said is understandable

[obsidian pollen]

*mainly because annihilation is bugged rn

long term annihilation should be the better choice

[vagrant geode]

how is it bugged? not proccing?

[obsidian pollen]

only doing about half the dmg bonus that it should.

21% someone said at max

[vagrant geode]

thought was something was off when i was wacking expanse boss yesterday tryng to better my time

[obsidian pollen]

yeah :(

[cloud matrix]

Appreciate the heads up! Annoyingly the only exotic mod I currently have on Kakalik is the Annihilation one 🥲

[obsidian pollen]

the exotic mod bonus does work correctly I can confirm that

[remote peak]

luckily surrounded doesnt need a mod so ur allg (no upgrade)

[obsidian pollen]

you will get the +20% below 33%

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah also a good point can just use the surrounded one with the annihilation mod anyway

[remote peak]

annihilation is so mid 😭 especially on a sword

avid annihilation hater fr

[obsidian pollen]

depends on the activity. and also it's bugged right now.

[remote peak]

bugged as in doing more damage?

[obsidian pollen]

annihilation is doing less damage

[remote peak]

because on paper, everything about annihilation makes it seem kinda mid unless u hit the damage cap at like 80% hp remaining

[obsidian pollen]

than it should

[remote peak]

💀 yea so its even more useless atm

[obsidian pollen]

the base perk is doing less damage, but the exotic mod perk bonus is working as intended

[remote peak]

still not great tho tbf

[obsidian pollen]

yea

all in all it depends on your Jolder playstayle. I almost always delete all the weak enemies with my shield throw. So surrounded really doesn't help me in most situations.

[cloud matrix]

No way? That's alright then ahaha

[remote peak]

if we're looking at an ideal situation for both surrounded and annihilation, annihilation is only better than surrounded on a per hit basis when ur target is less than 33% hp (for that bonus 20%) << assumes it works as intended
in a realistic ideal situation, if your target is below the 33% hp with either surrounded or annihilation you'll likely kill the target in 1 heavy attack (maybe 2) for both
in this same situation, your sword will likely require less ammo to reach that 33% hp remaining with surrounded due to the drastically higher damage buff at an earlier state - there is ofc the dropoff if you dont have enemies near you (Which makes the perk do nothing) however in a situation where your using your sword for damage, your likely gonna have 3 or 4 other guys who have a decent bit of health (orange bars) that can survive the shield toss, so surrounded would rarely not be active
imo annihilation is a perk that on paper seems solid, but is much more focused around primary ammo weapons over heavy due to the damage difference (especially ones like sword that are heavily focused on loads of damage in 1 hit over spread out)

and also i think that surrounded still lasts a couple of seconds after you walk away from enemies n stuff, so even if ur in like a team activity and they kill the guys around you your still gettin the damage buff for a bit
^
will fact check in a sec

yea it lasts like 4s or so, give or take a second

[obsidian pollen]

True! And I'm not against keeping multiple copies of the same weapons with different loadouts for different situations. I have so many different ones 😂 Just sad that the over-leveling doesn't apply to them all. I only have the Annihilation variant at 85

Definitely keep multiple variants because you never know what will get nerfed or buffed

Love that this game has such a huge weapon inventory

[remote peak]

unlike d2 with the vault 😭

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah it's so bad.. Literally have to install multiple other apps / browser add-ons to even begin to have control over your inventory 😭

[remote peak]

i think i need more engrams tho, this isnt enough

[obsidian pollen]

I started pulling for Light Grenade Launcher godrolls just cause why not. Gonna need it for Maru possibly.

[remote peak]

im saving atm for new archetypes

we know that primary bows are coming soon

[junior zinc]

wow

[naive spindle]

May I know what are the tier/copy spikes for Jolder? Just wanted to see if I should focus first on Jolder or Umeko.

I have Jolder at T2 but I can T3 her. I'll be using exotic sword in case if that means anything

[remote peak]

IMO 1, 3 and 6 are her best copies

6 gives extra shield throw charges if used right, 3 gives a massive healing boost on the slam and I can’t remember what 1 does but it’s quite nice

[naive spindle]

Thank you Jaka! I remember someone mentioning that the extra shield was the best dps gain Jolder could have. But oh so far from T6 🙂

[vagrant geode]

allows her to activate passive at 60 rage vs 100

[buoyant sequoia]

Does "Rampaging Precession" show a buff atm? I've tried to proc this in practice range and doesn't seem to show an icon... or I'm doing this wrong 😛 but it feels pretty straight-foward.

[lapis drum]

not that ive noticed, the only indication is your health getting chunked

[buoyant sequoia]

ah I was wondering how long the buff lasts from the artifact

[lapis drum]

says 10s

[buoyant sequoia]

I was actually talking about the artifact recommended in the OP and not the Rampage effect from Jolder herself

[lapis drum]

my b was confusing the rampage artifacts, that one should last for the entire mag if im not mistaken

so it would virtually always be up if you are landing those 10 shots before reloading

[buoyant sequoia]

ooo got it ty!

[verbal shoal]

@tropic bridge

[tropic bridge]

Hey guys i got a questions, wich ones would be the Best artifacs for jolder witu all tree completed using hucklberry and fire sword?

[signal wedge]

This is literally answered in the main body text mate, there's a whole breakdown of them 🤣

[tropic bridge]

Can u tag me plz

[signal wedge]

Just scroll to the top.

[tropic bridge]

Couldnt find it, ill keep looking thx tho

[verbal shoal]

@tropic bridge

right on the main text
there’s all the info

[tropic bridge]

[remote peak]

damn, no one likes jolder
rip

[rigid basin]

She's better than Gwynn, but people spend all of their leaves on the limited banners. So very few have gotten the true Jolder experience at T6. Very few ever will with how few permanent pulls we get.

Imagine doing this in Expert II on a pierce shinka week.

[junior zinc]

i have t6 jolder, and i dont like her 😭😭

she needs buffs, she’s just okay right now

wouldnt say shes bad, decent and solid

but not meta breaking for sure

[remote peak]

in the right situation she can do better than gwynn

shes just super hard to play effectively enough to be better than gwynn

[rigid basin]

What she really needs is a cracked SMG

Huckleberry still lacks compared to other exotics, along with Partridge.

Only thing holding her back is the weapon pool.

[junior zinc]

yeah she needs the ning fei treatment

an exotic weapon that makes her broken, like the mahayuri for ning

[rigid basin]

It'll come one day, and we'll eat well.

[normal marten]

If Partridge Sky had Coup De Grace with an enhancement that made it proc every other charged heavy, IMAGINE, so mad it has battlecry, perk is ass

and makes no sense since you USE THE PARTRIDGE FOR THE HEAVY, why buff lights? at most, make lights give energy back so I can heavy again

someone at NetEase ain't a Jolder enjoyer

[rigid basin]

or dismemberment if we want some real F'ing juice

the void sword feels like an exotic

it's ridiculous

[naive spindle]

Would anyone know what's the best in slot weapons right now? From 1-2 weeks ago it was kulfi/exotic sword. Is it any different now?

[gloomy current]

Honestly, I rarely use Partridge Sky outside of spread shinkas. The other swords with the right perks arguably performs much better. I've been rocking Kulfi/Kakalik for most content, swapping out the sword depending on use case.

[naive spindle]

Thank you @gloomy current!

[obsidian pollen]

Kakalik is crazy good and fun to use. Light attacks don't feel like a waste because it buffs your heavy like crazy

[rigid basin]

My only issue is if you swing max speed in the air, the heavy will whiff

Lmao

[vagrant geode]

omg had someone today rage when they saw my jolder and went from a 71k tan to a 61k fin and tried to throw all our revives away

[radiant yacht]

I see the guide mentions the non-overshield oriented artifacts as being better, any reason why all the top Jolders run rings in slots 1/2? Are they just too invested to switch or is it better/more consistent/something else?

[remote peak]

Things have changed slightly since I wrote this, but you can see in alternate artifacts the rings were mentioned
Personally I prefer stacking DR over overshield stuff but both are usable

[rigid basin]

There's a new artifact coming with Maru that gives damage resistance when you get overshield

will most likely be meta.

[neon bough]

That will be meta for Rossi and maybe Tan-2 as well

I wonder if it will be slot 1 or 2

[neon bough]

The overshield variant for slot three that provides damage while you have an overshield seems good too

[bronze crow]

yea might run all of them tbh

[radiant yacht]

anyone know if the constant healing from the slam refreshes the new DR artifact? I couldn't figure out how to test it

[boreal knot]

thanks

[remote peak]

this is likely decently innacurate as it hasnt been updated since... ever

and it was made last september
the info in it probably isnt terrible but its defo not the best stuff anymore

[boreal knot]

Was looking for an overall discussion around base build, but it's hard to find anything relevant for every charater for season 4 yet

[gritty silo]

where can i find a more recent jolder build

[remote peak]

im guessing there isnt really one

jolder isnt a super popular character

i quite enjoyed them, but the kit isnt built for high damage, where other characters (helhest, estela, etc) are