lore-discussion

[prime cave]

They create illusions to force their prey to make more wishes, which the Ahamkara then twist even further

For example, ||The Cabal appear to other Cabal to be Vex, which causes more Cabal to wish for more death, which the Ahamkara grants by allowing them to kill each other. Illusions to bait more wishes to twist||

[wide acorn]

Also in d2 Azirim uses illusions to make a bunch of people jump off a cliff. They’re not just illusionists but it is a part of their nature

[native marten]

You're all missing the point. So far, in Rising, they're JUST illusionists.

THAT is the problem.

[prime cave]

No?

They've granted several wishes that weren't just illusions

See: ||Devil shank disappearing, Harrow's life, Harrow's wish for the Vex, etc||

[native marten]

Ngl, I forgot about the first and 3rd. No idea what 2nd is referring to. Might have something to do with a mission I haven't reached.

[prime cave]

Yep, keep playing the story

Think it's either the second-to-last or the last mission available rn where it will make sense

[native marten]

For the most part though, there's this "they're just illusionists" vibe the game has when it comes to them that bugs me. I think the only exceptions so far involve transportation to another dimension.

But I gotta get my team level to 90 to continue.

[prime cave]

OH also ||Saladin's wish to have a city to defend being the cause of the constant attacks on Veridia||

That one is from s1/2^

[native marten]

I do remember that.

So, that's the only exceptions to being either illusion or transportation so far

[prime cave]

That I can remember

[native marten]

"So far" as in based on where I'm at.

[prime cave]

And obviously the wishes you make in Morgran, but those aren't really what you're talking about I assume

[native marten]

Oh yeah, those are technically wishes.

[prime cave]

Also I believe the implication is that our new "wish for a specific gun" thing is wishing to the "new" Ahamkara

[wide acorn]

It is a lot of illusions tho tbf

[prime cave]

Indeed

[native marten]

Maybe. Anyway, I do gotta continue playing... While also rushing through the rest of Remnant. And at least checking out Guardian Games, even though I HATE the aesthetic and vibe...

[prime cave]

They talked about it in Estela's quest tho, they'll trap people in illusions so they can keep twisting their wishes to escape

[native marten]

I feel like that's only a subset tho

[prime cave]

I think it's partly to do with the fact that Ahamkara are much more plentiful at this period, they're not being hunted out

So they have the luxury of being able to basically farm people for wishes

While in D1/2, they're struggling to survive

So they'll just take whatever wishes they can get on the down low

[native marten]

Maybe? Idk, parts of the game sometimes feel like fanfics written by people that didn't catch everything from D1/2.

[prime cave]

But I doubt that's intended

[native marten]

And Ahamkara portrayals are a part of that.

[prime cave]

A lot of it also seems like they do heavier research than most

[native marten]

Ikora's weapon choices are another, lmao.

[native marten]

It depends on the part, tbh

[prime cave]

Like I saw a lot of backlash when they made Jolder glam

Turns out that's actually how she was according to one single lore document

[prime cave]

True

[native marten]

My issue with Jolder is that she's a Defender when prior lore says she was either a Sunbreaker or Striker, though more likely a Subreaker.

Especially when Saint-14 was the perfect Defender character.

[wide acorn]

It also could just be that njorun likes illusions more than the average ahamkara,

[open scarab]

Estela quest, removal of the eyesight for the girl so she wouldn’t “see her dad sad” or something along that lines. There is also another not transportation wish the same time you learn about Harrows stuff in the story quest.

[native marten]

It wasn't just an issue with Njorun. Tac just pointed out the other Ahamkara I was thinking of, but they also pointed out another "exception."

Maybe it's just Estela's quest and the current story relying too much on the illusion stuff.

Imma try to get back to it and be sad that Jolder wasn't a Sunbreaker...

[prime cave]

We desperately need a hammer titan

I only played hunter in d2 but I want a bonk hammer

[open scarab]

It could be that the 2 “enemy” Ahamkara we have dealt with so far have not been at full power too. Kind of like how Estela relic Brec can no longer grant wishes, but with Estela Light seems to still be able to produce illusions that can influence the world.

[prime cave]

Pretty sure ||Njorun||'s as close to full power as a dead Ahamkara can get

[open scarab]

Well the fact she is dead is what I meant. Unless most Ahamkara are in that state? I quit Destiny franchise before they were introduced initially so I have just been learning about them from this lore channel and in game.

[wide acorn]

at this point in time most of them should be alive, theyre only all dead in d2 bc of the Great Hunt when people realized they were too dangerous and decided to kill them all off, but their bones can still whisper and grant wishes

definity stronger alive tho

[prime cave]

The vast majority of them are dead in d2, and they actually try being killed by the player (the player specifically, not just guardians) because it's one step closer to being real

[open scarab]

The Ahamkara has definitely been my favorite addition to the destiny universe that I have been able to learn about since I left for sure.

[golden field]

Agreed

[charred jacinth]

Morgran in his entirety in the beginning of the story facilitating the creation of a rare component that belongs to a Rhiis weapon infused with the Light (sure, not the whole thing, but the dialogue and Morgan's own enforced self-control clearly implies that he only granted a part because of the obligatory monkey's paw Morgan is tempted to activate based off the desires and wishes of the wisher, particularly because getting the whole part or materials for it would be incredibly dangerous, as Morgran himself is very consistently struggling to maintain steady feeding without falling for pathological greed many other ahamkara fall for.

This narratively does give a justification for the wishes for materials to actually be fully plausible to happen, with the death of undesirable enemies of Haven being the vehicle by which Morgran is able to waive off twisting the wisher's desires

[charred jacinth]

I would say that many Ahamkara in both prime and rising's continuities just express different degrees of power--Destiny 2 in particular has us deal with a living, mature ahamkara, Destiny 1 alludes to the fact that other lightbearers had become stuck in similar illusionary spaces that only affect them but not everybody else who shows up later, meaning that things like timeloops are half-and-half illusions and actual physical intervention. Kabr's fireteam in Destiny 1 has lore remarking upon the fact that either Pahanin or Praedyth had wished for the hunt of an Ahamkara to never end, and they became stuck in a 'time' loop (which, evidently wasn't strong enough or not even a loop at all) only to then die and become forgotten thanks to the Vault of Glass.

For D2 examples, not everybody was cursed to repeat a cycle of 3 or 4 weeks like that of the Dreaming City's, nor are anyone coming from outside subjected to this same cycle as evidenced by Petra Venj, Crow, Mara, the Guardians, the Scorn, etc. And in that case this was dealing with a Taken Riven who also was a fully matured Ahamkara. Many of the changes that location suffers only affects the spread of the Taken's blight physically and the routines anyone cursed were stuck under.

A non-corrupt Riven (but still dead), on the other hand, did similar stuff to Njorun's own effects on the Cabal of Zau'ul (for the seasonal activity's modifiers), as well as one of the other dreams being 'resurrecting' Cayde--described in Final Shape by him as having been whisked away from where he was and put in the Traveler's defined physical plane in the Pale Heart--which depending on how you wanna perceive that, it's either manipulating elements already present to shortcut an action, or teleporting something from somewhere else. Notwithstanding the fact that the main wish fulfilled by her was finding a way to displace Crow inside the Pale Heart safely.

[wide acorn]

Is morgran related to Taranis?

[granite patrol]

So far no ahamkara are directly related to anyone we know

That is, if Taranis is the mate of Riven in the mainline

Wait didn't Papa Shaxx fistfight a damn wish dragon?

[vernal talon]

Can someone explain in brief what the story is I havent played rising after Harrow follows the mysterious voice im guessing its the ahamkara

[supple spoke]

The story continues from there lol

[vernal talon]

Oh 😂

[misty valley]

Have the devs come out with any concept art regarding Wolf? I wanna see how his design changed over time and why he’s wearing iron banner gear despite having nothing to do with it at the time of his resurrection.

[wraith carbon]

Morgran's egg was found in the red sea rift, to my recollection. Not one of Riven's brood.

[lunar patio]

.

[mystic shard]

egg?!?!?

[wraith carbon]

I can't remember if it was his egg or him as a hatchling

[mystic shard]

😳

[smoky gazelle]

Why does the main character in ikora’s character quest have question marks for their name in the dialogue? The voice actor said Osiris but the subtitles just said ???.

[granite patrol]

For timeline reason

Its Ikora's first encounter with the scholar

And for those who don't know

[smoky gazelle]

I just figured it would have updated the ??? to Osiris after his name was revealed

[ashen linden]

only once they officially meet

[vocal zephyr]

More confirmation that Destiny Rising is not in Bungie Destiny timeline

[prime cave]

The Crota we fought isn't from D1/2 timeline either btw

But if you wanted more solid proof, look to Ikora 4*'s diary entries, where she speaks with Ikora from D1/2

[vocal zephyr]

Fascinating.

Then what happened with Crota that Oryx punished ? His real son

[prime cave]

They're all real Crotas. We just killed a weakened Crota from a different timeline

It's neither the Crota from our timeline nor the Crota from the main timeline, but it is a real Crota

Rising's is still on the Moon gathering power

[vocal zephyr]

I see, I was more talking about the Crota we fought in Destiny 1.

But good to know Crota from D1 is still D1 Crota

The same that was punished by Oryx in that universe

[vocal zephyr]

Not the Digital ID stuff we are suffering...

[strange frigate]

So we recently killed an alternate timeline crota, a ahamkara what you think is the next main bad or raid for destiny rising? Do we think we ready to face rising crota?

[tawdry tree]

Not yet, we need to prepare

[strange frigate]

True

[tawdry tree]

Have to secure an alliance with the reef

[strange frigate]

Oh yeah i forgot about that whole thing lol

[tawdry tree]

It's possible that the next location is either somewhere on earth or the reef (we need ships tho)

[strange frigate]

I do wanna explore another map get more files for a whole new location

[tawdry tree]

Would be cool to explore the cosmodrone for ship parts

[strange frigate]

Hell yeah it would who knows maybe we find even more fallen houses to fight

[strange frigate]

Cant wait for when we finally get to the moon and the two new playable guardians to be Eris and toland

[prime cave]

Next location is likely off-world based on TfB

[tawdry tree]

Hopefully a place similar to the tangle shore

[open scarab]

I want to say the next raid would be something Vex related. First raid we fought Fallen, second Hive, third Cabal. Vex is the last one who hasn’t had a raid around them.

[strange frigate]

Cabal!? There was a cabal raid!?

[prime cave]

Great hunt

Final boss wasn't cabal but everything else was

[open scarab]

The Ahamkara raid was more of a Cabal raid. It just had the main bady be different. We did get the second stage boss as a Cabal tho.

[strange frigate]

Ew that counts as a cabal raid... Im sad now

[prime cave]

Every enemy except one was a cabal

[strange frigate]

Barely did the raid just went to fight what the dragon name lol

[strange frigate]

Awww.....

[open scarab]

Was this in the Alpha? I remember a picture like this before but didn’t know what it exactly related to

[granite patrol]

Final Wish was a taken (related to the Hive and Darkness) but had an Ahamkara as the final boss

[prime cave]

It's fake

Tee hee

[granite patrol]

Man Maru really got the golden treatment

And Ikora stole the void spread populace

[open scarab]

XD well that explains why I haven’t heard anything about it really and Saladin should of been the giveaway there.

[prime cave]

You haven't heard anything about it because @wispy charm kept making us delete it

He never let us have any fun

Miss you pookie

[open scarab]

Trying to think how they would even do an Ahamkara raid without having it based on a different faction. We would basically need to be fighting illusions like Estela summons, and have different tiers of them. Unless there are parts of the lore I am missing that can tie a different race to them we haven’t seen.

[tawdry tree]

Ever since that stunt that Njorun pulled before we defeated her, other ahamkara's are aware of us now

[strange frigate]

Let them come i eat them all

[wispy charm]

What is 'fun'? 🤔

[strange frigate]

Who is jayeff?

[strange frigate]

Wolf when he goes sentinel mode again

I Wonder when we gonna get quests for epic version of ikora and kabr.

Would really want a epic version of wolf aswell

[random shore]

Dam i got a wave of nostalgia watching this xD

[strange frigate]

Lol

[hollow swallow]

That would be nice

[granite patrol]

What fits a floating playstyle more? GL/LMG or AR/HGL?

I'm trying to design a Heat Rises Dawnblade-like character

Essentially AC-130 fantasy

[dapper knoll]

GL/LMG

[tawdry tree]

Relics in this timeline feel like training wheels for lightbearers

Similar to that pyramid shard that we use for stasis

[granite patrol]

I think there was a mention where the light in this universe is substantially weaker and relics act as "conduits" to channel the light

Of course there are still some big exceptions of course because so far Radegast and Felwinter don't have any obvious relics. Saladin has the axe so maybe that's his relic

[brisk forge]

I didn't think I heard anything about us being weaker because of the traveller, to me it feels more like the training wheels thing, much like how we eventually learn to use Stasis without the shard, we learn that as Risen the light is already within us, and the relic was just how we convinced ourselves we could channel it.

we are much less experienced, we haven't even learned how to manifest grenades yet

[tawdry tree]

Saviour of jiangshi metro, hero of the red sea rift, the dragon slayer, the iron Wolf. The legendary lightbearer, Wolf the chosen

[frozen sage]

Why did they give Efri full toe shoes

[storm coral]

why they didn't give her a new outfit i won't get.

[old turret]

Hi

[high arch]

Well, I have ideas for Destiny Rising. I don’t know if the developers will see my comment, but I want to share my ideas here in this lore channel.

Well, let’s go. I would start the next season like this: on a normal day in Haven in Destiny Rising, Wolf and Zev are talking about Calus’ ship, but they are interrupted because Hive ships and powerful Hive warriors start attacking Haven, killing citizens and Guardians. Wolf can’t protect many people, and Lord Radegast starts to have a breakdown because he couldn’t protect the people in Haven.

Then a Felwinter ship appears to rescue Wolf and Radegast. During this period, the Last City under the Traveler has finally been built. A small part of the Hive invades there as well, but Wolf and Radegast work together to defeat them. Radegast calms down a bit.

After that, the Hive builds a castle from what is left of Haven, and the Tree of Light becomes corrupted, leaving nothing of Light remaining. Wolf then goes on some missions and kills Crota in the story mode, opening the doors for a NEW RAID.

[storm coral]

….. basically destiny 2 but hive version

[mystic shard]

Only good parts of d2

[barren topaz]

Yes, but not hive, just oryx and takens

[barren topaz]

I think we ready for taken king

[tawdry tree]

We ain't

[vocal zephyr]

Gotta beat Crota first

If Xur said we can't beat Crota at his prime (reason why he brought us to fight agains't weaker crota) then imagine how weak we are compare to Oryx.

[tawdry tree]

Ants vs a tank

[woeful meteor]

Crying baby vs hydrogen bomb

[vocal zephyr]

Real

[ashen breach]

while Tariq doesn't come with any character quest for Lore, Manifesto at least still comes with an exotic story

follows some dissidents in the reef, on the run from the Crows

[hollow swallow]

Kinda sounds like it ties into Helhest's character quest

[tawdry tree]

Wolf is just like an onion with layers

[hollow swallow]

I'm pretty sure Wolf won't turn brown and start sprouting little white hairs if they're left out in the sun

Then again I don't know for certain whether or not they stink or make people cry

[hollow swallow]

You know as far as the enemy factions in this game are standing it seems the Cabal have been hit the hardest so far as the Sand Eaters Legion has had their leadership decapitated as Wolf and his fellow Lightbearers killed Buhr, Tog'Urk and Valus Zau'ual (the latter of whom was being puppetted by Njorun) as well as the majority if their operations in the Red Sea Rift being stopped or delayed due to lightbearer efforts, the Fallen House of Devils come in close second as due to the actions of Wolf and his fellow Lightbearers managed to kill the Splicer Priests Isaakis and Vanok as well as destroy a lot of their forces in Jiangshi and the Old City and foil their plan to launch the Eclipse Monolith, granted none of their actual leadership has been destroyed (we did kill Umbliks Prime but according to lore it was defective Prime Servitor and was more a symbol than an asset for the Fallen Devils and they were looking to replace it), the Hidden Swarm Hive's major incursions have been stopped by Wolf, Ikora and Gwynn though their leadership is unscathed and they still seem to be unhindered in the efforts for the most part, lastly the Vex despite having lost some Axis Minds and forces in the Red Sea Rift really don't have that big an investment in the conflict there and they can easily replace fallen units so I'd say for now the Vex of the Virgo Prohibition Collective are the most unscathed of the enemy factions

[high arch]

I'm a fan of Destiny Rising, and the stories you read are me trying to give a better future to the franchise. I know not everyone will like it, people can disagree and say it feels like Destiny 2 (which already reached its end), and I accept the criticism, because criticism helps me improve my stories and make everything better.

Well, the story could start with Wolf and Zev talking about the fall of Njorun, and during that, they receive a message from Felwinter asking for help to protect his Iron Temple.

They cross the railway, and there are Hive attacking the temple. They fight through them, but there are simply too many Hive forces invading the area. Just when things begin to get out of control, Helwest and Felwinter themselves arrive and manage to push the Hive back from the Iron Temple.

After that, Wolf and Zev go through several missions and eventually discover SIVA. They realize the Hive are using SIVA together with a gigantic Ogre covered in SIVA armor. Wolf tries to fight the creature but gets completely destroyed, forcing Zev to hide in order to revive him later.

Later, they arrive at a mountain filled with corrupted SIVA structures. There, Wolf encounters two Hive beings enhanced with SIVA. Their attacks are insanely overpowered and perfectly synchronized. Wolf manages to defeat them, but they escape before dying. Suddenly, a gigantic SIVA Ahamkara appears, fully mutated and corrupted. It fires a massive laser beam that sends Wolf falling deep into the cave system below.

The Ahamkara notices them and begins hunting them down, forcing Wolf into a terrifying hide-and-seek situation inside the dark caves. Wolf is almost caught by the Ahamkara, so he throws himself away to escape, dying once again from the fall. Zev revives him again, but Wolf is already exhausted mentally and physically from everything happening.

While exploring deeper, Wolf notices an enormous cave entrance completely infected with SIVA, with giant doors similar to Rasputin’s facilities. He enters, but the path ahead is sealed shut. With no choice, Wolf returns to the Cosmodrome and speaks with Saladin about SIVA. Saladin explains more about its origins, its danger, and how it spreads like a plague.

Armed with new knowledge, Wolf returns to the SIVA mountain to confront the SIVA Ogre once again. This time, he defeats it and obtains an access chip that unlocks the massive sealed doors.
This finally grants access to the new Raid inside the SIVA cave:
“Protocol Z-E-R-O.”

[hollow swallow]

This is good except Wolf can't really return to the Old Russian Cosmodrome as Wolf has never been there in game (that may change in the future though)

Wold probably doesn't even know where or what the Cosmodrome is

Still it does make me wonder, did Wolf exist as one of the Iron Lords in the original Destiny Timeline? we know Finnala did so it makes we wonder if Wolf existed in the original Destiny Timeline and was one of the Iron Lords who died in the Battle of Site 6

[open scarab]

Till it is stated I would lean on no, unless he died before any of his amazing feats. We know he is on alternate timelines in Destiny rising, as Huckleberry mentions him in the flavor text. As they are shaping them up to be one of the strongest lightbearers, the odds of them not being more immortalized if they were in the main timeline is less likely.

Likelyhood is that is where a major break point between the timelines take place.

Unless he was part of Kabrs Vog fireteam XD

[hollow swallow]

That could be a possibility, I could imagine Kabr, Praeydeth and Pahanin asking Wolf to assist them in raiding the Vault and Wolf would agree if only because he realizes the danger the Vex pose and would likely want to put a stop to whatever they are doing, then he gets erased by the Templar and the Oracles (I could imagine him drawing attention towards himself so Kabr doesn't get erased) and in his final moments he prays Kabr and his friends find the solution

I mean Sai Mota, Omar Agah and Vell Tarlowe joined Eris and Eriana's fireteam in their attack on Crota and his spawn simply because they asked

But yeah if Wolf did exist in the main Destiny timeline I imagine they were very different from how they are in the Rising Timeline, heck for all we know in the main Destiny timeline, Wolf got killed by the Fallen of the House of Devils before Radegast and his men could reach him or Sabakis killed Zev before she could ressurect Wolf as a Lightbearer

[high arch]

If the Cosmodrome came to Destiny Rising, it would be really good because we would feel that nostalgia, just like it was with the Leviathan. So adding the Cosmodrome to the game would be amazing, because the Destiny 2 community would pay attention and maybe enjoy the game a lot. I’ll think more about this and try to create a story for the Cosmodrome.
(And you, Dredgenlordscarletbloom, you’re really creative when it comes to making stories 🙂 )

[hollow swallow]

Thanks, just wish the dev team would hire me, I'd create an explanation for how Resolute Kabr and regular Kabr and regular Ikora and Hidden Ikora can exist simultaneously in the same timeline

I mean Resolute Kabr and Hidden Ikora not having character quests just makes their existence in the Rising Timeline confusing

I was honestly convinced that Resolute Kabr was the Kabr of the main Destiny timeline but the way he acts in Rising and the lore describes him contradicts Destiny 1 lore as for Hidden Ikora I imagined she was from a timeline where the Nine weren't responsible for her original death and she became a Guardian more naturally

[high arch]

I wish the Rising team would hire me for the Destiny Rising story development team because I think about this game almost every day. I see potential in so many things. I know the company has its flaws and its advantages, but it’s really sad to see a game with so much potential and the developers not fully using it. I would advise them to use at least 5% of the possibilities that could be done in Rising, like bringing new races into the game, because Fallen, Hive, Cabal, and Scorn are getting really repetitive.
So I would recommend letting me create new races, for example:
“Broken”: a race that was touched by the Traveler, but because of the Darkness they were completely corrupted and transformed into totally inhuman figures.

I’d also like to add lore books and achievement books. Even if it feels similar to Destiny 2, it would still be really cool to have to complete the Raid on launch day to unlock each Raid book. I’d also add achievement books that would tell more stories about Radagast and other characters that could appear in the future. There’s so much potential that we should at least use 5% of it.

[hollow swallow]

Well they can't bring in the Taken since Oryx won't show up in the Sol System for at least a century (unless its the counterfets the Nine use but the Nine are way more helpful to the Lightbearers in Rising than they are in the original time where they are actively trying to undermine humanity by messing with the composition of things on Earth and allowing the Barant Imperium to rise to prominence, so I doubt the Nine would fight the Lightbearers unless it was to prepare them for something) and they cannot bring the Scorn or the Dread in since those races don't even exist yet

[hollow swallow]

Lore books sound interesting, I remember back in Destiny 2 I was able to get the Chronicler Title by completing the Lore books listed there (Truth to Power was the hardest)

[high arch]

The races I like the most are the Fallen, Hive, and Cabal. I like those races because they are really good, and also because they have amazing Raids, especially “Crota’s End,” “Wrath of the Machine,” and “Leviathan

[high arch]

But Crota is still a threat. If Crota exists, then Oryx also exists, and I think the Nine wouldn’t directly help the Guardians themselves. They would probably let them handle things on their own to keep humanity at peace. If Oryx appears, then the Dreadnaught could also become an explorable location, and if that happens, they would need to optimize it really well for mobile devices.

[hollow swallow]

True the Nine only opened a gateway to the alternate timeline where Crota is already active and let us keep the weapons we looted from that raid because they knew if Crota kills all of humanity then they are finished, I'd imagine they use another indirect method to prepare the Guardians to prepare them for Oryx if it was necessary

[high arch]

If that happens, and Xur has to prepare the Guardians again to face Oryx, then I’m gonna think that’s really annoying, because it would already be the second time people are going to another universe, and that gets tiring. But if they really do that, then at least they need to add “Touch of Malice.”

[hollow swallow]

Yeah it frustrated me that we didn't get Necrochasm or the Murmur Fusion Rifle

[tawdry tree]

Resolute kabr and regular kabr are the same person but one is more trained (canon in this timeline) and the other is basically kabr before any training. They are the same person, not from different timelines and they do not exist simultaneously since they got no voice lines for each other, the same goes for Ikora the hidden and regular Ikora

[hollow swallow]

So you're meaning to tell me that Ikora and Kabr became much more skilled so much so that they evolved their abilities and each grew their hair out in less than a month?

Because I think it is stated that Wolf hadn't even been alive as a Lightbearer for a month before he became an Iron Wolf

Which means the entire campaign from Wolf's ressurection to him taking down Buhr and being named and Iron Wolf happens in less than a month

[tawdry tree]

Basically yeah (idk what kinds of methods they did to achieve that)

[hollow swallow]

I mean I honestly thought that Resolute Kabr and Hidden Ikora were from alternate future timelines given how advanced their abilities are compared to their regular counterparts (do wish they changed Hidden Ikora's choice of weapons like they did with Resolute Kabr who switched from rapid fire pulse rifles and machine guns to piercing scout rifles and linear fusion rifles, Hidden Ikora uses the same weapons as regular Ikora (light grenade launchers and rocket launchers), I honestly thought she'd at least switch to using shotguns given how main timeline Ikora is very fond of using shotguns)

The only explanation I can give is that the Nine gave Kabr and Ikora a pocket universe where time flows much slower to train and hone their abilities (like how the Nine did with the Barant Imperium in the main Destiny Timeline) but I doubt the Nine would go that far unless they specifically anticipated that Ikora and Kabr would be needed for some future event and it would have to have happened after Wolf's fight with Buhr as regular Kabr and regular Ikora were involved when Wolf and his allies attacked Firebase Minos

[tawdry tree]

There were some months and weeks that have gone by since the death of buhr after the campaign, where we had some events (which are also canon) that moved us a few months away from when the campaign ended

So they got time to train in almost half a year

[hollow swallow]

So basically Wolf's journey into the Boneyard and confrontation with Njorun has to be at least a few months after the Battle of Firebase Minos

Funny given how that almost lines up with the amount of time that has passed IRL since Destiny Rising's release and when the new campaign was added

[tawdry tree]

We are heading towards our 1st anniversary and probably our next expansion

[high arch]

The characters that should come during the Destiny Rising anniversary, in my opinion, should be Mara Sov, Cayde-6, and Lord Shaxx. Those are the main characters I think should be added, but for now we can only wait and hope they bring them into the game.

I recommend you guys work really hard when there’s only 2 or 1 month left before the anniversary, because people are going to go crazy for the DR (Destiny Rising) anniversary.

[hollow swallow]

I was honestly hoping at some point they add Eris Morn and Eriana 3 as characters, in Eris's case just so we can see the kind of Lightbearer she was before she lost her Ghost and her eyes and became the God of Vengeance and Eriana so that we can see what their friendship was like, given how Eris in Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 speaks highly of Eriana whenever she does mention her, at least those two have character to to them

[high arch]

If they really wanted to celebrate it, they should at least add some Destiny 1 activities into DR, since everyone would feel that nostalgia again from playing D1 strikes. They could add the SIVA Raid, Wrath of the Machine, and many others, but unfortunately only time will tell. I’m honestly scared they might actually be reading this.

[hollow swallow]

Tariq literally has nothing to his character aside from written lore about him which doesn't shed much light on the sort of person he is

[high arch]

DON’T TALK BAD ABOUT MY TARIQ >:(((

[hollow swallow]

Okay but surely you agree he deserved a character quest right?

I mean he didn't even get a trailer like Gwynn, Estela, Helhest, Maru, Jaren and Resolute Kabr did (then again neither did Hidden Ikora and Efrideet but then again we already know who those characters are)

[high arch]

Tariq is really good and incredibly fun to play, and his damage is amazing FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REALLY GOOD ARTIFACTS. I like him, he’s a great character, he helps the team and practically makes the whole team immortal, and TARIQ IS GOING TO BE MANDATORY FOR RAIDS.

[hollow swallow]

Sorry I wouldn't know since I never use him in Gauntlet (haven't gotten his power level high enough yet), Guess I just have a hard time handling him in game since my game lags out and crashes a lot

[high arch]

Estela, Hellwest, and Maru all have their own stories and were created in this universe. Hellwest is a Guardian, and Estela is also a Guardian, but with an Ahamkara. Estela is my favorite.

Can I give you a spoiler about Vodu do Jacu?

[hollow swallow]

Like his character quest could have been him trying to retrieve a dangerous artifact from the Red Sea Rift

[hollow swallow]

Who?

[high arch]

Do the Legendary Campaign because there are some things there that help you rank up in the Bad Juju event.

[hollow swallow]

Been doing that as well as Gauntlet Onslaught

[high arch]

Who wants to join a group called Alcateia? It’s a really good clan and we help each other. We have Spanish, English, Russian, and Brazilian players.

[hollow swallow]

You guys take on Strongholds in Pack Hunt? My current clan refuses to do those even when we find multiple strongholds

[high arch]

We do Pack Hunter in our clan. We usually finish exploring everything within 2 or 3 days, and we help each other with Raids. One thing we never lack is people for Raids.

[hollow swallow]

Consider me interested, though my game is prone to lagging and crashing a lot (been trying to get around to fixing that problem) and I have a busy work schedule so I can't be on all the time

[high arch]

Then it’s all good, you can stay in your clan. I just need you to join the Discord group, and you can talk with the people there. I can also help you learn Portuguese.

[hollow swallow]

By the way Estela is actually my second favorite character in Destiny Rising (second to Gwynn who in my opinion is awesome in every way), Estela has such a painfully tragic backstory where she is just afraid to connect with people out of fear she will bring them harm because she is cursed with Ahamkara magic that she ironically uses to fight the Ahamkara and her other enemies, clearly trying her hardest to make the best of a bad situation but still blaming herself for every bad thing that happens to those she cares about (even when it's because of something that is beyond her control) plus her abilities in combat are really impressive

[tawdry tree]

Mara sov is unlikely to be playable tbh, with how much prep time she has and a throne world incase things go wrong. She will most likely be a npc character that will have an impact on the story

[hollow swallow]

Yeah Mara Sov would likely just be an NPC that we intereact with (though I would like it if we could challenge her to a Shadowshaper duel)

[tawdry tree]

Since we have the tree of light (instead of the shard of the traveler) I wonder if it has the same function like the shard of the traveler but better?