lore-discussion

[restive pond]

Yo

[potent garden]

what a roll I have days farming artifacts and I have only dropped 10 exotics with all the bonuses of acclaim and milestone that would suck

[wraith carbon]

Could you repost that with the image spoilered as well?

[tawdry tree]

How do I do that?

[wraith carbon]

Click on the image when you're writing your message to bring this dialogue up

[wraith carbon]

Appreciate it
Don't want to cut the fun, the design is sick, just it's still technically a leak rn

[tawdry tree]

Fair enough

[vast sorrel]

Star wars vibe

[strange frigate]

Gasp batman

[silk sky]

Do we know anything about who that is or just a image of appearance?

[karmic zodiac]

Hopefully a stormcaller.... unlimited power!!!

[nova lotus]

Arc Warlock providing Overshield to teammates. That's what the leaker specified

[silk sky]

Interesting... Maybe another spread based character so I can ditch IKORA 😂

[wraith carbon]

Here's my honest reaction to this design:

that is all

[strange frigate]

Hmm this is either an exo or an xbox player who used the random name thing im hoping for the latter

[nova lotus]

Gonna say it looks closer to Crown of Tempest than Fallen Sunstar

[wraith carbon]

I disagree.

[nova lotus]

See for yourself

[wraith carbon]

Fallen Sunstar has eyes, for instance

[strange frigate]

Gasp my favorite exotic

[nova lotus]

And Fallen Sunstar is engineered by the Fallen when House Light moved into the City.

We only got House of Devils for now

[strange frigate]

Thats not true we got kaverah... Who is former devil, huh hmmm damn

[nova lotus]

Pretty sure she's the sole Eliksni defecting from Devils

[wraith carbon]

Fallen Sunstar was sold by the Fallen when House Light moved into the city. We're not sure where it came from. This is clearly engineered for humans, it doesn't have the right number of eyes for an Eliksni.

[strange frigate]

Objection the babies

[wraith carbon]

She's not. One of the weapon foundries in the city is ran by a Human/Eliksni duo.

[nova lotus]

[wraith carbon]

She also had some comrades, but they got killed. Stands to reason she could have more.

[strange frigate]

When keverah gonna die than be revived

[nova lotus]

They can't think for themselves. Attal brought them in.

[strange frigate]

Hmm ok

[nova lotus]

Name? I tried looking it up, haven't found anything relevant for Rising timeline

[wraith carbon]

Riviks & Wright is the name of the foundry

Riviks is obviously the Eliksni

[wraith carbon]

Yeah that's copied directly from the in-game lore.

[nova lotus]

still don't think they gonna make Fallen Sunstar

But let's see

[strange frigate]

I dont like rhea and lesnar they didnt deserve to be the first iron wolves

[wraith carbon]

They... aren't?

[strange frigate]

They are

[wraith carbon]

They're not the first iron wolves

Finnala is Saladin's iron wolf

Like that's how she was introduced to us
Rhea and Lesnar were made Jolder's wolves, while simultaneously breaking the Iron Champion tradition

Wolves are just the lieutenants below a specific lord

Jolder's character quest also takes place after Wolf is made Radegast's iron wolf

[strange frigate]

Well According to jolder quest iron wolves were created as the next thing after the iron champion and rhea and lesnar were the first

[wraith carbon]

Explicitly not
The final chapter of the campaign ends with Radegast naming our player character his Iron Wolf

And you can't play Jolder's quest until after that

[nova lotus]

What other cities are assumed to be present after the Collapse?

We know about Samarkand. Any other places?

[karmic zodiac]

Casually Lord Felwinter in D2

[karmic zodiac]

And I'll be there to clean up the mess when it all goes wrong.

[nova lotus]

D2 doesn't give enough Aura to player Models.

Take it up Rising, show em how it's done

[strange frigate]

That is kinda weird

[nova lotus]

Roast Elik-

[karmic zodiac]

No Attal, no.

[strange frigate]

Hmmm easy idk

[karmic zodiac]

London was mentioned in Gwynns story missions. Just as house of devil's flatten it (no loss )

[strange frigate]

Yay London gone

[karmic zodiac]

[silk sky]

When do we get a destiny rising byf 💔😭

[prime cave]

RawR

[prime cave]

They're talking about first in the game timeline, not the first we encounter

[prime cave]

There's a very slight chance they have fusions and rocket launchers but probably not

[karmic zodiac]

Byf has been playing it. I was in his stream and haven when he last was on.

[silk sky]

Yeah not sure if he is planning on making lore videos about it... Hoping he does but untill then guess I gotta read everything myself 😂

[karmic zodiac]

Someone in his chat did say he plans too.

[waxen sleet]

Hi

[dark turtle]

He said he was working on one in his update video a week or so ago. It was supposed to come out in September, but it may have gotten delayed.

[harsh creek]

Technically speaking, the armour for wolf is an Iron wolf, making the armour an iron wolf iron wolf

[wraith carbon]

No, they were misinterpreting this sequence of dialogue at the end of Jolder's character quest to mean that Rhea and Lesnar were dubbed the first Iron Wolves.

Which, regardless of interpretation, is incorrect. The first iron wolf we would meet in-game is Finnala. Because, again, you can't do this quest until after the campaign, and they directly state that Finnala is Radegast's wolf

[strange frigate]

What you guys think the next guardians quests gonna be im hoping for a moment in the place of awoken before the reef

[wraith carbon]

Helhest doing missions for Felwinter and uncovering bits of her past in the process.

[strange frigate]

That sounds fun

[narrow pecan]

Listen I saw and heard Felwinter and started screeching. My boy is here, even if he's not playable yet

[strange frigate]

I dont think any of the iron lords will be playable

[tribal lantern]

jolder???

[strange frigate]

Iron champion

[brisk forge]

I was gonna say Finnala became a lord since she has an armour piece in d2 but she isn't lord yet in Rising

I am gonna maintain until proven otherwise that the new girl is a risen Sjur, the bow is just too on the nose

[wraith carbon]

I'm inclined to agree, but also Sjur's Titan sized, whereas this gal's a hunter.

[karmic zodiac]

She still an iron lord eventually

[nova lotus]

What about Salad man?

Why did they gave him such intense campaign presence if he were not playable

[brisk forge]

it's called being a good supporting character

[strange frigate]

Because he an important side character

[strange frigate]

True true

[karmic zodiac]

And in mainline timeline we know how it ends too

[strange frigate]

I dont think what happens in the main timeline really means anything

[karmic zodiac]

Well siva is still hundreds years off. But rasputin the warmind must be in Risings timeline as we have Felwinter

[strange frigate]

Yes

[brisk forge]

wonder what role Rasputin plays seeing as Sentinels existence outside the scope of Clovis Bray

[tawdry tree]

The sentinels aren't made by clovis bray

[brisk forge]

that's what I meant, before Clovis' creation of Rasputin was the great sword of humanity. The Sentinels change that dynamic by being the big protector. Hence being outside clovis Bray

[foggy seal]

So this game is a prequel and set in the same timeline as destiny 1 and 2?

[karmic zodiac]

Prequel, different timeline

[foggy seal]

Thank you

[harsh creek]

Nothing says Rasputin isnt a backing framework for maintenance and deployment for the senteninels

[prime cave]

Except for Clovis' ego preventing him from working cooperatively with his competitors

[brisk forge]

unless Clovis being a decent human being is a change in this time line

but exos exist and the whole schtick about them being created probably says Clovis is as awful as ever, probably even more so since HE didn't make the sentinels and earth relied on them so much

[prime cave]

It's an alternate timeline, not a miracle

[cursive berry]

clovis being a egotistical person is probably a consistency in every universe

[cerulean sinew]

Hi

[karmic zodiac]

Hi, welcome to the lore section. I'm the "friendly" reaper.....

[warped willow]

Nkce

[drifting tide]

@steel cobalt i thought xuan wei was good writing wise but agni is so damn annoying like how was she his scout in the first place

[steel cobalt]

She is trying to give him an auraloss

[drifting tide]

the entire story basically

[harsh creek]

What is the circular breastplate on Ikoras Destiny rising character???

[strange frigate]

What?

[karmic zodiac]

Doing Kabr story. Praedyth has been mentioned. No kabr don't go into VoG

[upper pawn]

Reading is not your strong suit

[karmic zodiac]

Probably a Titan 😆 🤣

[upper pawn]

(this is lore related so its okay)

[karmic zodiac]

So true lol

[karmic zodiac]

Reminds me of a destiny 1 iron banner armour set. Pretty sure I still have it on destiny 1 too

[frozen sage]

How similar do we think the war of Light and Darkness is in this universe? It’s pretty much the same so far- the Traveler has clearly been with past civilizations like the Fallen just like in the main timeline.

[karmic zodiac]

It's pretty much as it is in main timeline. Or is this one the main time. I prefer this one

[upper pawn]

I would assume the overall story is the same at the macro scale

[wraith carbon]

There's a focus on light infused objects in this timeline rather than light as an ambient force, which I find interesting. Things like the tree of light, relics as a concept, sentinels, etc

[frozen sage]

I hope Neomuna is handled differently if it were ever to appear

[frozen sage]

True, almost like the people of this universe learned to wield it differently. I personally think that the Traveler might have the same origins as the main continuity Traveler (and I think the IX are also multiversal)

[upper pawn]

I'm not really sure why you are differentiating the origins.

[karmic zodiac]

There's things in the main timeline I hope don't happen in this.... like edge of fate

[frozen sage]

I’m not, but being that the traveler we see is a physical object, it’s probably not the exact same traveler from timeline 1. That being said, the light, and the so called Gardener might be something that span across timelines.

[wraith carbon]

The Traveler here has the exact same scar on the bottom that the main timeline Traveler has.
Meaning that the EDZ probably also exists, it's just not very important yet.
The Traveler is a being, so it's probably just a different version of the same thing, here. But we don't know exactly how divergent this timeline is. So far it's mostly additions instead of anything hugely conflicting.

[karmic zodiac]

In the lore Gwynn and Attal went through Europe so must of passed the EDZ

[strange frigate]

this i wanna know more about these! what they fire,the speed ,the yield... everything!

[wraith carbon]

Just a box full of sleeper simulants or something like that

[strange frigate]

What?

[wraith carbon]

Sleeper Simulant is an orbital railgun. Warsats have one inside of them.
I'm largely joking saying that cargo is full of sleeper simulants. But genuinely, who knows.

[strange frigate]

Ah warsats

You know i hope these arent warsat

[wraith carbon]

Warsats are... enormous so probably not literally warsats lol

[upper pawn]

I have this feeling that Project Clotho, and the divergent timeline we're in, are both Clovis Bray's fault.

[wraith carbon]

Clotho is super weird and I want to know more about it

[upper pawn]

Indeed. I feel like Clotho only makes sense if its the result of some sort of super advanced prediction engine (i.e. something like the Warminds) or Vex-simulation shenanigans. Without one or the other (or an equivalent one like an Ahamkhara wish or whatever) - how would they know the project was needed, and how would they know what to look for. In most cases that make any sense, Bray seems like the only one to be feasibly capable of it within the timeframe of when the timeline fork occurred.

Might get more insight on Thursday though - Trinity Ghoul should bring a new retrieval record with it.

[wraith carbon]

It feels like it's directly related to however Elsie's time travel works.

[small holly]

Is the lore good in this game?

[upper pawn]

Yeah, that seems likely - which is just more stuff pointing towards Bray

[upper pawn]

Much like mainline Destiny - lore is good, quests are...hit or miss, though overall better than Bungie's work on average.

[wraith carbon]

"on average" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Bungie's work has spiked hard between good and abysmal.

[upper pawn]

Yeah - particularly as the years kept going

As long as NetEase maintains the same pace and quality with regards to exotic lore tabs + character diary entries, things should be good though.

[frozen sage]

Destiny lore is great in general… but the gameplay depicting that lore is often rough

[dark turtle]

Dang, I'm surprised this game don't make even more money because it's so full of YURI? (Doing Esetla's quest rn)

[wraith carbon]

You're misinterpreting Elathi and Estela's relationship. Check the diary page that unlocks after that quest. It's more maternal than romantic.

[dark turtle]

Dang 😔 I'll have to settle for Attal and Gwynn then

[frozen sage]

Gwynn also acts like Attals mom sometimes. We got a bunch of mommies

[dark turtle]

Dangit, I just want gay!

[wraith carbon]

Attal and Gwynn are actually dating, though. Crowther's trying to get them to break up

[prime cave]

Hell yeah there's yuri

[dark turtle]

HUE

[dark turtle]

Dangit Crowther. Leave the happy couple alone.

[frozen sage]

Oh that I didn’t even realize was confirmed.

[prime cave]

Oh yeah 10000% they're together

[frozen sage]

I’m not convinced but that’s ok. I’ve played through both their stories and know Zev called them partners, but until I see something more concrete, they really seem platonic to me

[wraith carbon]

To be blunt, people were saying this about Saint and Osiris until they kissed in a cutscene.

[frozen sage]

I was one of those people. I believe it when I see it I guess.

I also don’t think a Chinese gacha will be as explicit about it

[wraith carbon]

On the latter point I'm inclined to agree. I'm pretty surprised we've gotten as much as we have.

[frozen sage]

As long as Umeko can be with Ning or Tan I’ll be happy. Although she might be a lot older than them idk

[wraith carbon]

I think she scares Ning
He owes her a lot of money

What's the word for the scam where you pretend to be bad at a game to raise the stakes and then when a ton of money is on the line you sweep it?
Yeah she's done that to Ning in shadowshapers. Took his relic.

[frozen sage]

Best start to a relationship

[upper pawn]

I would expect substantially less of this in this game than in Bungie products. For obvious reasons.

And, as far as I am concerned, its for the better, because it was getting weird over in Bungie-land (at least as of the last time I was playing), and I don't mean that in terms of "there shouldnt be any"...moreso that for awhile there, its nearly all of what Bungie did, to the point of it starting to be kind of implausible

[upper pawn]

That would be called Hustling. Usually observed in Pool.

[frozen sage]

It was overstated in my opinion. Forced, even. It felt like Shiro from Voltron- they just one day decided that the other pilot on his mission was his lover because the show didn’t have enough diversity.

[cobalt rapids]

Umeko story is dope almost done two more missions

[dark turtle]

It's amazing how much a story being accessible makes me like it more, because I am very much enjoying the stories of Rising more than the stories of Destiny 1 and 2 by virtue of the lore not being scattered a thousand ways to Sunday or sunset.

[halcyon cypress]

Its definitely a lot easier to follow, thats for sure.

Love tan-2 and ning fei conversations, always a good laugh

[karmic zodiac]

We all know who I love, Death.

[karmic zodiac]

Oh we ain't happy

[strange frigate]

Who do you guys think is closes to wolf because the answer is tan

[nova lotus]

I'd say Finnala

[strange frigate]

that hmm yeah

[upper pawn]

The answer is obviously Zev

[strange frigate]

Zev his best friend not closes friend theres a difference best Superior

[rapid verge]

Honestly the story telling in here is pretty dang good. Estela's story is so well done that it left me utterly surprised. The amount of cutscenes in this game is amazing

[karmic zodiac]

I can't fault the story. Finished kabrs yesterday. So that's Gwynns, Estelas, Attal and Kabr done so far

[rapid verge]

@karmic zodiac I really enjoyed Attal's story as well, good establishment for characters goals and personality. Hope they keep up with this type for future characters and more mainline story telling.

@strange frigate I know Wolf is really trying to be or be very supportive for Estela, I like their dynamic

[strange frigate]

Estela is rather hmm distant yes she and wolfie is close but also not

[harsh creek]

What happens to isaaks after the raid?

[rapid verge]

Yeah she keeps Wolf at arms length for sure

[strange frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-dead-not-alive-gif-17183151

[strange frigate]

But one day one year wedding

[rapid verge]

Wonder what else they're going to do story wise. Been addicted to this game since launch. Love reading the diaries of the characters

[strange frigate]

More wolf campaign i hope

What happens when crota finally returns

[upper pawn]

Eh, if we're talking about the lore writing, yeah its relatively good. If we're talking about everything else....well, the way I'd put it is - the storytelling is good by Destiny standards, but mediocre by gacha standards.

[weary stream]

gacha standards? ain't that like, reeeeeally low

[upper pawn]

Only for the trash games. Storytelling in gacha has improved substantially in recent years. HSR, ZZZ, Wuwa - all dramatically better then Destiny Rising. Arknights supposedly is to but I cant speak to that one from experience so I'll just say "thats what i hear" on that one. Upcoming games seem likely to be the same.

[weary stream]

ah right, you just pick the best ones to set the standard

[upper pawn]

I mean, yeah? If i'm setting my standards, i'm going off of the best. So if we're comparing DR to Bungie products, yes DR stands out. If we're comparing it to the gacha space instead its....eh, okay.

[rapid verge]

Like you mean Genshin style or what?

[weary stream]

there's like how many destiny products and how many gacha products?

[upper pawn]

Eh, not exactly. Genshin isnt as good as the others i mentioned, in terms of writing quality

[rapid verge]

If it's like those, they're different in gameplay means, plus the world that's made warrants the type of storytelling though. Cause I won't lie, games like them really did set a new standard of quality and storytelling along with thi gs to do. Wuwa of course is another example

[upper pawn]

Yeah. Like, obviously different genres/gameplay, but to me, storytelling is independent of that.

[rapid verge]

I guess it depends on the "how" it's portrayed. They're trying to I guess mimic how Destiny was told to keep more true to how it is

[upper pawn]

Quantity is irrelevant. Whatever the best is, is setting the standards for the space.

[weary stream]

not sure we have the same definition of "standard"

[rapid verge]

How would you try to set up the storytelling for Destiny? Honestly I'm curious in terms of how it's established or what the keypoints would be. Layouts and whatnot

[upper pawn]

Well, my main gripe here isnt the format. Its the quality. Like lets be completely real - DR has issues in this space. Some of the character quests are atrociously bad in terms of both writing and voice quality (Ning Fei, Attal, Kabr). There's godawful AI filler voices all over the place. Voiceover recording fidelity is hit or miss across the board, quality of performances is....also hit or miss. Main quest writing was..."acceptable" but not exactly stand out stuff.

And just to clarify, i'm not "anti-AI" or anything, but ffs I've heard substantially better AI voices from independent creators than these. Those were phoned in at the last second, hard.

[weary stream]

mm, I didn't care for the campaign and most of the characters

[frozen sage]

I’d personally say Bungie has amazing world building capabilities, but horrible presentation. They aren’t bad writers, just bad presenters when it comes to their games.

[upper pawn]

Like, the way I have to say it is - if this wasnt a Destiny franchise product and I wasnt desperate for a return to that franchise after Bungie ruined it - I would not be playing it still

[upper pawn]

imo bungie had great writers who built a great universe initially. but those have largely been discarded over the years.

[weary stream]

that said there are lore blurbs and tooltips and some characters that I appreciate

[rapid verge]

Yeah they use a lot of AI replacements for sure. But it does scratch the itch I've been looking for in terms of Destiny content. Well if the devs read the suggestions and applies the gripes people have, we might see a change

[upper pawn]

Yes - all the text content is actually surprisingly good. Like character diaries and exotic lore tabs and the like - they're actually doing a great job.

[frozen sage]

The backdrop of Destiny is fantastic. The original characters like Cayde are standout, and the setting was unique. It took a bad turn for sure. It became fantasy nonsense with a little sci fi thrown in to keep it closeish to its roots. That’s where I think it went awry. And that probably was due to a change of hands in the writing department, yea.

[weary stream]

here's hoping we get more polish n stuff

[upper pawn]

It's a typical problem in gaming. Game development studios vastly undervalue good writers. Look at what happened to Mass Effect. Drew Karpyshyn created that universe, and ME1 and ME2 were some of the most stand out RPG's of all time as a result. Then Bioware decided they didnt need him anymore - and ME3 and Andromeda were the result of that stupidity.

[frozen sage]

I just want to see humanity actually beat the Vex, actually beat the Cabal, fully unite with the benevolent Eliksni, and so on. I want to see the universe explore its own setting without the setting always showing up at the doorstep of the player.

[frozen sage]

I actually still have all those and would love to play through them. I got halfway through ME1

[upper pawn]

On the plus side, he's working on something new now, so that'll be a welcome arrival when it finally comes out.

[weary stream]

ffxiv went that route too I think, based on what I heard

[rapid verge]

It'll get better, the game just came out and they're taking feedback. I'm not really worried for how it's going. I enjoys what's here, specially content-wise.

[upper pawn]

Yes, they did - though that isnt writers specifically that caused that (though its a factor).

[harsh creek]

I just want a wolf campaign where the tower is being built

[karmic zodiac]

ME3 is far better then Andromeda is... Still need to finish it but I can't be bothered

[weary stream]

ooh, and then it becomes a build the tower base management game

[upper pawn]

The City isnt gonna be done being built for a few centuries based on where we are in the timeline. So that seems unlikely.

[upper pawn]

Its not worth the effort. Frankly ME3 isnt either (just quit the game as you're walking towards the last teleporter, and save yourself alot of anger)

[karmic zodiac]

I finished ME3 on ps3. I've played worse

[upper pawn]

Yeah there's signs they realize the problem, so we'll see. Umeko and Estela were already substantially better. Helhest appears to be following that trend thus far

[harsh creek]

Huh, I never thought about how Havens progress probably takes centuries. Its wild to think that a mortal in the city could live their entire lives and only see a small portion of a building built

[upper pawn]

Well, keep in mind - Haven is not The Last City. It's nearby. But not part of it.

[harsh creek]

"Humanity is spread so far apart"

"Ignore the neighboring city its an exception"

[frozen sage]

Yea but isn’t there a loading screen thing that says “You must go through Haven to reach the City” or something to that effect?

[upper pawn]

Yeah. Radegast basically set up Haven as a....gateway, or waystation. A defensive bulwark if you will.

[karmic zodiac]

It says Haven is an outpost to the Last City.

A last city that os probably still a camp site

[frozen sage]

Interesting, so the bulk of humanity is living outside of Haven in the “city”, but when that’s finished, the City will be a much more finished fortress than Haven ever was.

Oh and Neomuna

[upper pawn]

It can be kind of difficult to conceptually understand because of how absurdly large the Traveler is - but if you look at these by comparison and keep in mind the massive size of the reference object - we're a good distance away.

That said the Last City ends up being absolutely massive itself - so having it expand and engulf Haven hundreds of years later isnt beyond the realm of possibility.

[frozen sage]

I forgot how big it was because we only see the downtown from a distance, and then it sprawls and sprawls

[karmic zodiac]

Think Twilight Gap is outside the cities walls too. Much closer to the city through

[upper pawn]

Yeah. Bungie never really did a good job (with the City, or anything else) of portraying scale well.

Like the playable area of Haven is larger than the playable area of the City in Destiny 2.

Entire planets reduced to zones you can cross from one end to the other of in less than a minute on a sparrow. etc.

[karmic zodiac]

Well in D2 all we have again is the current Tower. And midtown crucible map. And bannerfall in another tower

[upper pawn]

Which is why i think what NetEase is doing is smart. Multiple zones per planet, likely we'll see additional earth zones before we move to the next destination (probably the moon or mars)

[frozen sage]

MARRRRSSS

[tawdry tree]

Gotta deal with the earth issue then the moon issue before we start exploring more

[frozen sage]

“I know how to say hello in any language”

[upper pawn]

Moon issue is gonna be substantial potentially. I think they're setting up to have us play out the Great Disaster.

[karmic zodiac]

After the Moon, Venus...

[upper pawn]

Since Ikora's quest was about stopping Crota from being summoned to Earth. Feels like the precursor towards them summoning him to the moon.

[dark turtle]

Soon enough we'll get to compare NetEase with NetEase with Anata, lol.

[karmic zodiac]

I loved that trailer. And the Taken King one too.

[upper pawn]

Hah, yeah. I expect Ananta's storytelling to blow DR's out of the water tbh.

[dark turtle]

Also to this day I wonder what Joe Staten's Destiny would've looked like.

[upper pawn]

Yup...

[frozen sage]

I rewatch them both regularly

[harsh creek]

I wonder if theyre taking OG destiny cutting board scraps for the story.....

[clever holly]

.

[karmic zodiac]

I have them downloaded on my ps3. Remember when you could download game trailers from PSN.... me too

[dark turtle]

I mean I absolutely would not mind playing through The Taken King again. Height of Destiny storytelling IMO.

[harsh creek]

I meant from joe staten stuff

[dark turtle]

Oh. That'd be dope too. Joe's outlines seemed more interesting than what we got in the final product.

[alpine cypress]

uwu

[random crag]

I think T6 Finnala > T6 wolf.

[strange frigate]

who is t6 ?

[dark turtle]

Tallent/Tier/Twhatever 6. Referring to the tallent trees that each character has that can be upgraded with crystals gotten from dupes.

[strange frigate]

huh

[upper pawn]

What does that have to do with lore, lol

[alpine cypress]

cool

[random crag]

Didn't realize I was in the lore channel. The most obvious conclusion to draw

[real compass]

I'm the only one who thinks Wolf is interested in Estela? Haha

[dark turtle]

I don't really get that vibe. I see Wolf's behavior as that of someone trying to make sense of their autistic best friend.

[real compass]

I don't know, she's really the only character he seems really close to and attentive

[real compass]

although it could also be that

[dark turtle]

I mean everyone else has something going on in their lives. Estela is just kinda a recluse by choice.

[hoary moat]

What do y'all think about Helhest? I'm excited to learn more about her story and perhaps more about Felwinter.

[real compass]

she is alone so it can be what you say

[real compass]

that will be peak

[hoary moat]

Indeed

[frozen sage]

Guys was Cayde’s helmet ever shown? Because I assume if we get him as a character he will have a helmet like Tan

[karmic zodiac]

Don't think Cayde has ever been seen with a helmet

[frozen sage]

(Male) Wolf reminds me of Captain America from the MCU lol. He’s just tryna be fair to everyone

[iron hornet]

Is it me or does Helhest's visual effects look quite similar to Vex visual effects?

[wraith carbon]

I thought this too

[iron hornet]

The only time the vex pop up at is in the Red Sea Rift so ethier this just a coincidence or something else is being tease down the line for Helhest.

[strange frigate]

I hope they kiss

[karmic zodiac]

[iron hornet]

Speaking about Helhest, do you think we'll see or maybe even get Felwinter Peak social space in some way? Like a tease of it in her quest? launch trailer for Rising showed a new look of it albit it was brief.

[wraith carbon]

No clue.

[prime cave]

I doubt it, it may be playable for some of her character quest though

Major updates are every two months though, so I wouldn't expect a new zone this Thursday

[iron hornet]

I can definitely see it in her character quest as a possibility but as a little tease. When's the next major update?

[prime cave]

Nov 6

[iron hornet]

Ahh ok. Interesting to see what they add.

[strange frigate]

Im curious about her tech

[harsh creek]

It would be kinda funny if when cayde drops in like 3 years, his mask is just his face , but layered on top of his face

[strange frigate]

Uuh lol?

[real compass]

fr

[kindred shore]

so, why doesnt estela use a bow?

seems odd since it was a pretty focal thing in her quest

[wraith carbon]

I'm assuming the fact that Elathi is one of the most traumatic events in her life post-resurrection has something to do with not wanting to use a bow. She probably associates it with loss.

[dark turtle]

Also a gun is more efficient.

[frozen sage]

Tell that to Trinity ghoul

[frozen sage]

I associate it with loss as well, because I ran my first ever Prophecy Dungeon clear with a bow, and many Taken lives were lost. :D

[dark turtle]

I don't play Destiny, this comparison is meaningless to me.

I can't play it on Linux! I would if I could! But I can't so I shan't! I I ain't paying $10 a month for Nvidia's streaming platform to play a dying game.

[frozen sage]

Is this not working as a gif?

[frozen sage]

I’ll agree that it’s dying. It is fun though at times, many good memories on it.

[upper pawn]

It would be absolutely terrible for her kit.

Given that bows are the lowest RPM weapons in the game, and Estela's damage scales entirely off of RPM being high

[frozen sage]

Estela with huckleberry

[upper pawn]

Estela with Sweet Business more like.

[kindred shore]

900RPM bow then

[dark turtle]

Auto-Bow

[wraith carbon]

that's just Mahamayuri

[frozen sage]

https://tenor.com/view/legolas-gif-17996586

bro pulled it off here

[karmic zodiac]

Still only counts as one

[frozen sage]

I remembered the scene wrong ngl. I was thinking of the cave troll maybe

[karmic zodiac]

Wait till we do that with Ahamkara...

[frozen sage]

Dude the fight with Rumplestiltskin or whatever that Ahamkara was called in Estela’s quest was so cool

[karmic zodiac]

I know right. I want to fight more. Oh Morgran....

[junior cloak]

Yo

[strange frigate]

So when the next guardian coming

[karmic zodiac]

Lightbearer, on Thursday

[sand wedge]

I hope that with the introduction of felwinter, we will see Rasputin 🙏

Until now i didn't see any mention of the warmind in the game

[karmic zodiac]

I really want the plaguelands and Felwinter peak... playable, free roam.

[upper pawn]

The lack of mentions of the warminds is of particular interest because of the presence of the sentinels. It's possible that in this fork of the timeline, the warminds didnt happen.

[sand wedge]

Yes, I fear that's what happened, there i no mention of the bray family either

[upper pawn]

Or they didnt happen the same way. Especially with the whole Project Clotho situation and the liklihood that Bray is involved with that happening.

[sand wedge]

Oh so there's mention of the Bray ? Damn I missed it

[upper pawn]

Its implied....but also not....its complicated, lol. Read the lore tabs on the exotic weapons that are carry overs from D2. There's an entire side-plot going on called Project Clotho - and alot of timeline shenanigans.

Well, D1/D2. You get the idea. Anything that existed in Bungie's games. Reccomend you start with Huckleberry because its first chronologically and lays out the majority of the plotlines basis.

[sand wedge]

Thx ! I'm gonna read that

[upper pawn]

Actually I'm just gonna type this out because its easier if i have to reference it later.

Project Clotho timeline (by solar day entry on retrieval log) :
The Huckleberry (151)
Sweet Business (163)
The Chaperone (199)
Izanagi's Burden (208)
Jotunn (210)
Trinity Ghoul (215)
Crimson (247)
Polaris Lance (251)
Heir Apparent (338)
Royal Contravene (377)
Riskrunner (396)
Borealis (404)
Two-Tailed Fox (425)

[upper pawn]

Ah, naturally, i didnt read all of those yet. Explains that.

I knew the Sentinels were a fork (as far as I am aware, anyway), i just didnt know it was specified.

[waxen sleet]

Hi

[karmic zodiac]

Hello, welcome to Lore Discussion

[waxen sleet]

Thanks

Just got a warning for saying hi

Interesting

[karmic zodiac]

Think it's probably because it was in every chat. So, favourite lore so far in the game??

[strange frigate]

Easy you killing an ascendant wizard

[karmic zodiac]

Death makes no bargains.

[strange frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gwynn-destiny-rising-destiny-gif-17091531503173687437

[karmic zodiac]

You can thank Crowther for the soundtrack in that trailer

BTW, felwinter peak... so it's in destiny rising lore ^

[strange frigate]

Wait that was crowther!?

[karmic zodiac]

He was playing it in the trailer yeah.

[strange frigate]

I forgot it was crowther i thought it was tan ghost because tan is the one who mentioned it lmao

[karmic zodiac]

No, it's crowther. Only other ghost out in the trailer was Zev

[wraith carbon]

Tethra wouldn't play music during combat lol
That ghost is stoic

[karmic zodiac]

But Crowther being Crowther would. Because its Crowther

"You changed my playlist behind my back again"

[strange frigate]

Is that an actual qoute?

[karmic zodiac]

The bottom one by Gwynn, yes

[strange frigate]

Ah ok

Hmm im kinda disappointed character quests ended at imeadiate 2

[karmic zodiac]

Wonder if they add more to them. I'll say that in the next survey

[strange frigate]

I hope so i want more stuff

[karmic zodiac]

I need that sweet lore.

[strange frigate]

Lore is awesome but also killing let me lore kill more Powerful beings

Oh and for nezarec sake i wanna see osiris and not like a hologram i really didnt like that

[karmic zodiac]

This warlock really likes Lore.

[wraith carbon]

scrambling for a pun my brain spits out "Gwynnoire"
i bet that's what Crowther calls her diary

[strange frigate]

Theres books!?

[karmic zodiac]

Crowther, you been writing sheet about me again.....

I'm gonna make you that final "fact" in a minute....

[karmic zodiac]

For the mainline games yes. I've brought so much stuff about Destiny games

[strange frigate]

Cool

[prime cave]

Aaa the struggles of wanting to complete lore but also not wanting to die on Estela

I've only got three deaths on her and they're all PvP

[karmic zodiac]

For that I just jumped over havens walls

[prime cave]

Yeah but I could do that or I could keep it as a flex of getting her to some high proficiency and having almost no deaths

[karmic zodiac]

Wish I could say that. Even at 64k I expanse I'm just getting destroyed.

Anyway, lore.

[wraith carbon]

I just jumped off a cliff in RSR ten times

[frozen sage]

Is there a lore reason why Umeko is ||tying her hair|| up? She’s really well designed. Like gimme a piece of that ||makeup routine||! 🍰 🥷🏻

[karmic zodiac]

Putting on make up is a right pain....

[slate cape]

Playing through the character stories honestly reminded me of early dragon age, which was a great RPG, it is Sidequest stuff like this that the main Destiny series sorely needs

Here’s to hoping they add a new enemy faction at some point

[timid carbon]

The lore here is insane and I love it

[strange frigate]

Yeah the cybermen

[rustic elk]

To be able to put her helmet on quickly I suppose, as not only a Hunter-style lightbearer but also someone who is seemingly endlessly on the move, being able to latch her helmet at a moment's notice is probably pretty vital?

Most guardians in the mainline games have shorter hair too, which with how often they go to space makes sense

[strange frigate]

Most are bald osiris, zavala, saint, cayde, ikora, me

[rustic elk]

Yeah lotta short or shaved hairstyles, and then there's exos

[wraith carbon]

To be fair, Tan has proved that Exos can have hair...or at least hair-like constructions.

(also I like that Tan's helmet is just a faceplate to accommodate his V horns and dreadlocks)

[rustic elk]

Tan confuses the heck out of me for so many reasons lol, the faceplate is at the top of the list

Did Clovis just go “Give him aura” and ignore every other exo lmfao

[strange frigate]

Nah those are hats

[karmic zodiac]

Long hair for me.

[strange frigate]

Neat

[torpid tulip]

Thats sick

[karmic zodiac]

As Cody said its Gwynnoire now

[slate cape]

Is that hair? Or are those wires to connect to another machine?

[wraith carbon]

He literally calls it his hair in his first mission

Bazinet makes fun of it and he doesn't like her as a result

[slate cape]

I mean, if I was in his position, I would refer to it as my hair because that would be my best understanding of it

I could also easily see it as connectors that could go to a computer. He is an EXO after all. It is not a radical notion that those are cords, which could connect to something. It would not be relevant at this point, and I’d probably keep them because it has style

[prime cave]

oh yeah btw idk if anyone has mentioned this but Pandora has idle dialogue about taking trips to the Moon, so it's something we're 100% capable of rn

[wraith carbon]

Interesting

On that same note there's the Lightbearer who shot Tin Can on Mars

[hollow wharf]

isnt there a ship immediately to the left when you zone into the "main" area of the tower, too?

like, go to the edge. like where those beams were in D1 tower. facing it, look right. theres a yellow/orange ship (i think) behind the crates

id love to go to the moon. hive content is really light. its no dreadnaught/dreaming city, but ive always loved that location

[karmic zodiac]

Don't expect the dreadnaught or dreaming city anytime soon. One Crota is still very alive and oryx only turns up after crota is killed.

[upper pawn]

Yeah Moon is highly likely our first major destination after Earth. Hive are probably currently working on getting Crota over there since Ikora/Osiris thwarted their attempts to get him to Earth.

[karmic zodiac]

The moon makes most sense lore wise. Closest neighbour.

[hollow wharf]

oh, definitely not. just saying, for me, the moon is up there lol

[karmic zodiac]

Wouldn't mind a moon without a huge crack on it

[harsh creek]

Tan 2 is clovis younger brother obviously /j

[true elm]

Which means we will have Eris soon. Playable maybeeeee

[tribal lantern]

maybe at eos we go to fight crota on the moon and everyone RTLs lol

[alpine cypress]

oo

[frosty tapir]

game needs some more turtles

[karmic zodiac]

So how will they fit with the lore?

[strange frigate]

Meow so many kitties

[upper pawn]

Not just Eris. Pre-Hive Eris is a possibility. Great Disaster hasnt happened yet. We could play it out, change the outcome. Meaning Wei Ning never dies, and Eriana-3 never goes on her vengeance arc - which would allow for all of them (Eriana, Toland, Eris, Omar, Sai, Vell) to avoid their doomed fates.

[true elm]

Never know, this is suppose to be a separate time line but so far some things have lined up lore wise. It'll be nice to see, I mean, we did get pre doomed Kabr so anything is possible at this point.

On that note, I am almost certain we will see his fireteam, it'll be cool af to see them and how they are imagined.

[prime cave]

What fireteam? Kabr entered the vault alone

[true elm]

Nice try lol

He entered alone but others were with him, such a conundrum.....

[strange frigate]

Excuse me but buhr, sentinel crota's sister dead yeah i think we gone way passed lined up lore

[upper pawn]

HUH

[strange frigate]

What?

[true elm]

Hey now, I said some things line up.

[strange frigate]

Hmmm sus

[upper pawn]

I have literally no idea what you just said. "buhr, sentinal crota's sister dead". What does that even mean.

[strange frigate]

Oh i forgot a comma lmao also play the story!

[true elm]

Not really, Kabr has already name dropped his fireteam that entered the vault with him regarding them, in essence. There are other notable names mentioned via dialog and it'll be interesting to see his fireteam that entered the vault with him.

[upper pawn]

I have played all of the story. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[strange frigate]

The fact you dont know about sentinels and buhr and the fact crota's sister was killed massively proves you have not played it

[true elm]

Old school Destiny lore regarding the Vault of Glass, a Destiny 1 raid centered around the vex. Kabr, the legionless.

[strange frigate]

Kabr i barely payed almost no attention

[upper pawn]

I know all of those things, but the way you phrased it implies that these are somehow related events to what the other person was talking about. Also the lack of comma made it especially confusing.

[strange frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-youre-right-youre-correct-you-make-a-good-point-you-make-a-valid-point-gif-17170898

[true elm]

Kabr mentioned Predyth (not sure if spelled correctly and too tired to check) that was lost to time.

[upper pawn]

Yeah no, i know about that.

The thing @strange frigate said was so confusing i was like....did he mistype bruh as buhr? because that would have somehow made more sense despite buhr being a name here, hah

[true elm]

Ah lol yeah, i could see that

[strange frigate]

Woooow

[true elm]

🤣😂

[upper pawn]

Anyway, the sister in question almost certainly will be making a return, given the location

[true elm]

Oh, I think so, it's already priming up to a moon explore zone as that's Crota's next stop and we already know that it fails in the main time line.

With Eris and her fireteam.

However, did that happen before the events of VoG with Kabr?

[upper pawn]

I actually dont know, and I'm not sure its specified.

[true elm]

Irregardless, the great collapse still has yet to happen either

[upper pawn]

Err....you mean Great Disaster. Collapse has mostly certainly happened.

[true elm]

Yeah, my bad, went to go edit but you beat me to it.

[strange frigate]

I can take crota by myself

[upper pawn]

Anyway, ideally we play out the Great Disaster as part of it - and change the outcome.

[strange frigate]

Imagine if we kill crota that early and oryx shows up

[true elm]

That's what assume would be vastly different between the two storylines.

[upper pawn]

Its the easiest way to feasibly put Oryx into this earlier stage of the (alternate) timeline.

Still unfortunate that some of the "old timeline" stuff isnt really feasible to put into this game because of the specific era they chose. I would have loved to play out the battle of twilight gap as part of it, but that just doesnt make sense with the city being in the very early stages of construciton

[strange frigate]

When the city gonna be build when we gonna learn humanity gonna use like 20 sentinel barriers for the city why wont estella and wolf kiss

[true elm]

Yeah but it could be an option even further out. Never know, there is a lot of direction things could head.

[prime cave]

Wolf will never have any sort of romance interactions

[strange frigate]

Yes he will

[upper pawn]

We'd need timeskips or like, time dialation, for that to work. Twilight Gap doesnt make sense until the city has, you know....walls. And thats hundreds of years away.

[tawdry tree]

Sentinel wolf vs Crota at his peak

[true elm]

Yeah, still feasible given vex time bs

[prime cave]

No they won't, because he is also a she. It's a shock that we got one LGBTQ couple, a second is highly unlikely

[upper pawn]

Even the one that exists is only inferred - never outright.

[karmic zodiac]

When will Attal actually produce the Roast Chicken, honey roast ham, pumpkin pasties and cranberry sauce.... she keeps saying tomorrow

[strange frigate]

Wolf is clearly shown being in his male form in the trailers and stuff its very obvious thats the Canon form

[strange frigate]

Hmm tomorrow lol

[prime cave]

That's only for consistency, they don't have a true canon gender, the same way the Young Wolf isn't a canon species or gender

[karmic zodiac]

Bet she will still say tomorrow's dinner

[upper pawn]

The appearance of Male vs. Female wolf is also so similar that i strain to be able to identify one vs. the other in promotional material.

[hollow wharf]

really wish we could recustomize wolf. i picked the wrong voice, and i actually like playing wolf

[upper pawn]

Its not like other gachas where they're radically different.

[karmic zodiac]

"No, no. My limited edition digital autograph. Noooooooo. Shut it Crowther, your the one who slept through the presale"

[upper pawn]

That always struck me as odd. afaik thats the first reference I am aware of to a ghost sleeping.

[strange frigate]

Yeah

[karmic zodiac]

I have questions on how that happens btw... like when was that presale?

[strange frigate]

Using young wolf as an argument doesnt work at all. Because the problem with young wolf is that they never show up in any trailers or anything!

[prime cave]

The Young Wolf is the protagonist of D1 and D2 and they absolutely do show up in every promotional trailer

[strange frigate]

No the 3 guardians shows up not wolf

[karmic zodiac]

Aka our D1 D2 guardian.

[prime cave]

Yeah, one of them is the Young Wolf and the other two are their fireteam. Wolf doesn't have a canon gender to make self-insertion easier

[upper pawn]

I think NetEase was very smart in making Male/Female Wolf so similar in that regard. It avoids the headaches that every other gacha game has going - constant infighting about "no this one is canon" and people pointing to the ratio of male to female MC appearances in every advertisement (and imgur galleries to back them up)

[karmic zodiac]

I find it odd there was presales in the Dark Age

[strange frigate]

They are not wolf because they all died by the witness during light fall those 3 ships we see cut into pieces by the witness are clearly meant to be those 3 guardians

[prime cave]

Those were different guardians

[upper pawn]

Maybe Wu Ming taught them. It seems like something he'd do.

[karmic zodiac]

Typical Drifter

[strange frigate]

Hmm hmm perhaps

[tight moss]

Advice to Devs re keeping the game dynamic and compelling for all players:
give your Writers of the story the chance to create a game that goes against expectations… push for an overall storyline that isn’t stale and predictable— then you have your good content to layer in.

[upper pawn]

tbh i feel like they're doing that already.

There's been pretty substantial breaks from the existing continuity as it is. but nothing wrong with having some of the "known" antagonists show up

[tight moss]

True… so I am encouraging more 👏

[strange frigate]

Ugh open the servers...

[tight moss]

I’m new to destiny but not to story writing; one of the best things I personally like about Destiny Rising is the narrative is just weird enough to stay interesting overall and for me that is a great ingredient.

[upper pawn]

Now now, keep it lore related. Dont want the mods locking down this channel too.

[upper pawn]

They've actually done a really good job of incorporating lore-fragments from D1 into this story

[tight moss]

👍

[prime cave]

Tiger men when

[karmic zodiac]

I'm not gonna flex my T6 White Tiger

[strange frigate]

T9 wolf i have no idea what t is lol

[alpine cypress]

errawr

[storm coral]

A warlord that wasn't bad?

[karmic zodiac]

Not all warlords are bad. Only the ones who hurt the innocent.

[harsh creek]

Im flexing my t9 morbillion blue eyes white dragon.

[karmic zodiac]

Highest talent tree is 6

[harsh creek]

Speaking of, are there any gambler mortals in destiny rising

For shadowsheep or whatchamacallit.

[karmic zodiac]

And those warlords that hurt the innocent will feel my final judgement

[strange frigate]

Rossi i like him

[karmic zodiac]

He's not too bad. Took me longer to pull him then it did Helhest

Of which I've been doing helhests character quest. Will discuss at later date

[strange frigate]

Oh my god me too

[karmic zodiac]

Helhest was my 4th draw. I pulled 3 pointless finalla (when she's max t6)

[proven python]

Would love to hear how everyone is feeling about the new character stories

[karmic zodiac]

Some really good lore in Helhest but spoilers

[strange frigate]

Hmm 3 ikora than helhest than a finnala than rossi

[strange frigate]

Could be longer days longer Months even

[wraith carbon]

I got two helhests before i got a rossi

[karmic zodiac]

Lucky 😄

[harsh creek]

Do lightbearers act like frat kids while in wolfpack housing?

[strange frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-gif-15646924774807029634

[harsh creek]

Are wolfpacks just frats?

[thorn elbow]

What do you think of Rossi11 as a character? Guy and his ghost are doctors according to them. But he's a defense legend... Who uses double bows. Like make it make sense

[harsh creek]

Doctor in ballistic sciences

[thorn elbow]

🤣 🤣

[harsh creek]

Alternatively, a surgeon would be aim to aim precisely

[thorn elbow]

And to maim

[harsh creek]

Yes and also to handle hogh stress

[strange frigate]

Easy because

[wraith carbon]

I've played that one quest, and I am under the assumption that he is lying about his identity.

I'll be playing more of his quests later.

[thorn elbow]

I'm leveling his prof just to know what's what. I like his vibe

[prime cave]

I mean, he is ||an ex-Warlord. I don't think everybody would be happy to know that||

[frozen sage]

Sooooooooo

[karmic zodiac]

Yep I can see it

[wraith carbon]

I tried to make this observation a while ago but somebody was insistent that his helmet's more like Crown of Tempests

[frozen sage]

That’s because they forgot what crown of tempests was. I also was calling this exotic crown of tempests lmao

And if they really did know what they were talking about, then they are as wrong as one can be wrong

[wraith carbon]

No like they shared an image of crown to try to show me

[frozen sage]

Has to be ragebait

Even the mouth design for rossi resembles fallen sunstar

[wraith carbon]

This is actually what sold me on the idea

[frozen sage]

And look, it must be a helmet. For some reason we can’t remove it but he does have a face

[wraith carbon]

The tech for not being able to remove a helmet has fun implications for Shaxx eventually

Although, I hope they don't do that with him

[thorn elbow]

Just finished the story. Good story. Gave feelings

[thorn elbow]

And yep

Story was better than gameplay

And yeah he's doctor Rossi. A defense legend with bows 😅

[proven python]

Did you finish Rossi's or helhest's ? Which one is better?

[thorn elbow]

Did Rossi and it's a bit sad but also I liked the fact that it shows legends can have a tainted past

Story was better than gameplay tho

[storm coral]

While Helhast, one hates what one's past was like if their memory was gone

[karmic zodiac]

Helhest character quest done. Not too bad. I hope we do get Felwinter one day. I'll do Rossi's another day.

[strange frigate]

Yeah but not in a bad way

[half scaffold]

Ca-caw

[frozen sage]

Wha huh

[rustic elk]

Certainly wouldn’t be the first time a lightbearer wielded an older or altered version of an exotic

Osiris with his Vex Sunbracers, various hunters with lucky raspberry, etc

Heck it might not even be the first in this game as Ikora’s regular chestplate really reminds me of Vesper of Radius

[harsh parcel]

Attal and Gwynn are lesbians (it's at least very heavily implied), Tan-2 is plural, and Rossi-11 is nonbinary. Technically, Wolf is a self-insert character, which means any pronouns could apply. I wonder if any other characters are similarly diverse

[wraith carbon]

Rossi is non-binary? Hadn't clocked that yet. Haven't done much of their quests.

[harsh parcel]

Rossi is always referred to as "they" by other characters and in their files

[wraith carbon]

I just did the uh, shield generator.

Need more proficiency to go further

Cool, though, that's neat

Obviously when/if Saint or Osiris show up they're going to be acknowledged. Unless this is before they met...

[harsh parcel]

Jolder compliments both Attal and Gwynn on their looks, though that's likely more related to her also asking for beauty advice (asking Attal about her hair, and Gwynn about her eyes)

It's honestly a bit surprising that NetEase of all companies gave the green light for these interactions and representations, and I'm all for it

[weary stream]

I hope for more lines; got spammed by the jolder/attal and jolder/gwynn sooo much 🤣

[karmic zodiac]

It's very one sided....

Also in love with Death.

[strange frigate]

Gunther x zev is best couple

[karmic zodiac]

You mean Crowther right?? Because gunther is a wwe wrestler 😆 🤣

[prime cave]

We have the opportunity to find Saint in the Forest again if/when we start exploring Project Clotho in game

[wooden eagle]

wolf is just a man change my mind

[rustic elk]

Wolf is whatever gender the player makes em

[strange frigate]

Yes xD

[karmic zodiac]

pulls crowther out "crowther do you like zev??"

[strange frigate]

Hmm how would crowther answer hmm i got it "what! Who told you that you numbskull but of course i bloody do!"

[karmic zodiac]

Or "Gwynn, when did you get here? Who told you? Urmmmm" Crowther....

[strange frigate]

Yeah

[karmic zodiac]

"Sheet, fine. Yes... "

Crowther...

So lore? What's everyone's thoughts on Helhest?

[strange frigate]

I think it was fun however where are the awoken give me more tech make it quadruple long

[karmic zodiac]

I want more story for the characters we have now too.

[eager locust]

Never expect to see Felwinter's peak in Helhest's personal mission, I hope we can get this as a social hub

[strange frigate]

I hope stuff

[karmic zodiac]

Being on felwinter peak made me want more.

[strange frigate]

I hope we return

[native marten]

If everyone ends up getting access to one Darkness element, I hope Wolf gets Strand.

[strange frigate]

I hope zero

[upper pawn]

I swear, the ||White Queen|| in Helhest's quest sounds....eerily similar to Jennifer English.

[unreal lark]

I don't see that happening any time ever

I mean, it takes place way before even D1 Vanilla

And we only started communing with the Darkness in Shadowkeep

[karmic zodiac]

I barely use darkness powers in D2. So don't really want them in Rising. As this is on its own timeline from main games so hopefully won't happen.

[unreal lark]

There's also that part of it, yeah

[native marten]

If Ikora uses GLs and RLs instead of shotties and doesn’t have Blink, we can commune with Darkness early.

[timid crater]

How do you tag a word/phrase as a spoiler? I want to mention stuff lol.

[upper pawn]

Put two of these in front of and after what you're typing ||

[prime cave]

||Like this||

[upper pawn]

||Like that||

[timid crater]

Okay, thanks

[upper pawn]

Ugh, taniks speedrunning me.

[unreal lark]

Okay then, where pray tell are we getting a functional spaceport to go find a Pyramid Ship that probably won't be on Luna

[timid crater]

So is it just me or is the ||White Queen|| a reference to my...sorry...our beloved ||Mara||? I've just begun the story, not too far off. So no spoilers xD

[karmic zodiac]

So they added a voice to the woman npc in haven saying "watch out for scythe)

[upper pawn]

I will not comment on this. Play the story.

[native marten]

IDK, it’s called an alt timeline, the devs’ll figure it out

[karmic zodiac]

||yes||

But play the story. Felwinter Peak

[timid crater]

gonna grind tonight, so excited

[karmic zodiac]

I need to do Rossi-11 now. And few of the og characters.

[abstract crow]

strand ning🤤

[native marten]

Actually, I hope the 3rd element comes out 1st. It might fit him more…

[upper pawn]

Potentially unpopular opinion - Darkness specs were damaging both to the gameplay and the lore of Destiny, and should not for any reason be considered for DR.

[karmic zodiac]

No, I agree. I like the simplicity of having only Void, Solar and Arc again.

[native marten]

Not an opinion, just incorrect.

[abstract crow]

i see

[timid crater]

Hot diggidy dog... Helhest's story is soooo short, but I loved every minute of it. The reveals, the twist (or nontwist). daaaang... I'd pay for a full expansion that digs deeper into ||Awoken lore and events and moooore of Mara Sov's characteristic power plays||. Best story for me so far... or maybe I'm just Awoken biased and a ||Mara Sov|| fan.

[bronze bough]

Ok wait a little lost on the Helhest story because two names were used parallel in the last dialogue with ||the iron lords|| — ||is the white queen Mara or not? They said the crows worked under Mara and were hunting down The White Queen so is she against Mara or Mara herself? Are the crows rebelling or working for Mara against this very similar looking queen?||

^ wait ok i havent done the mission Resolve yet so I might be able to find this answer out myself

[karmic zodiac]

My favourite outfit for Helhest.

I love all of... mine (your giving this to me? It looks nice, like death itself. I might like this, who knows?)

[strange frigate]

I want that

[karmic zodiac]

"It looks nice, like Death itself"

[strange frigate]

You think we getting 2 solar guardians next? I mean we just got 2 ark. Also when we getting more info about the hive im hopeing in november

[upper pawn]

No

[strange frigate]

No?

[upper pawn]

Maru should be next. Seasonal modifier should rotate from Arc/Solar Rapid/Pierce to Void/Arc Pierce/Spread. Maru is Void Spread (or was in the beta)

Current banner character is always gonna match the seasonal modifier rotation

[strange frigate]

Boo maru wait who is maru?

[karmic zodiac]

Space grandma

[strange frigate]

Never heard of her

[hollow wharf]

she was in beta. theres gameplay of her

she's got the only combo worse than bow/xbow... gl/gl

[strange frigate]

Huh neat

[strange frigate]

Bows are awesome

[hollow wharf]

meh. i like trinity ghoul, but thats about it for me. even then, i only had fun farming shuro chi to level the catalyst. it sat in my vault forever after that lol

i just feel like archer's tempo needs to be baseline draw time. they feel so bad in group play

[karmic zodiac]

I'll stick to sidearm and shotgun 😆

[hollow wharf]

better yet, dual wield sidearms. we died and went to heaven

[strange frigate]

If i could pick weapons for the characters than wolf my favorite would have sword and bow

[strange frigate]

Yeah shove the shot into crota's mouth and pull the trigger

[karmic zodiac]

With pleasure 😆 🤣

[strange frigate]

Excellent

[karmic zodiac]

Though I rather use Gjallarhorn, or Truth

[strange frigate]

Ah big boom

[karmic zodiac]

Hope one day we get the moon, pre Great Disaster (if it happens this timeline)

[strange frigate]

I hope in one mission we bring back earths railcannons and we take control of one to destroy hive ships coming from the moon to earth im not crazy

[forest tiger]

Loved the ikora story quests but hot damn i am not spending money on a character with weapons I don’t like lmao

[brisk forge]

feeling a bit that way about Helhest right now, her playstyle feels kinda awkward

[snow hollow]

hi

G

[karmic zodiac]

Hello welcome to the lore section. I'm the "friendly" Reaper...

[upper pawn]

It feels substantially less awkward with Royal Contravene. If you havent tried it with that, try that first.

[brisk forge]

I actually have, the triple burst has so much kick to it compared to queenbreaker

maybe it's just easier to manage in d2

[upper pawn]

So, the thing is

Volley gives you aimbot. So the kick doesnt matter. Volley a yellow bar or boss, then unload

make sure to ADS first

[brisk forge]

the main awkwardness i felt came from managing the drones

if I am in a big space then I gotta move them around, and the cooldowns don't really support that

[upper pawn]

Fair. That improves substantially at T1, highly reccomend considering it.

[brisk forge]

to be clear that comes from the second time she drops right?

getting her crystal?

[frozen sage]

So that’s why we can’t take his helmet off… ||Darius||-11

[upper pawn]

Yeah. First dupe.

[young notch]

Yeah I really enjoyed their story

[tawdry tree]

His story mission is straight up CINEMA

[frozen sage]

I thought I liked him before…

[frozen sage]

Holy freaking based. My favorite exo quoting the Bible.

[prime cave]

Crazy work when Maru was arguably the best character in the alpha

[frozen sage]

Bow xbow is great lol

[topaz dagger]

I think Estella lacked depth

[proven python]

What character quests do you recommend most? Tan2 storyline remains my top 3. It really helped me connect with Tan and the old guy in him.

[upper pawn]

Hmm...we talking in terms of "quality of the quest" or "value to the lore"

[proven python]

I was thinking of the storyline and plots resonated with me most 😄

[wraith carbon]

quest quality, i would go for Estela. production value really knocked it out of the part there, very atmospheric and spooky
lore wise...hmm...it might be because i just did it, but Rossi's quest really drew me in, he's an interesting character and has some themes i resonated with

[proven python]

Like before playing the tan2 quests I was not a fan of tan2's kit but his story kinda made me fall in love with him. That was brilliant

[wraith carbon]

tan-2's also a highlight, i agree
i love tan and yannick dearly
their quest is one of the things that really sold me on the writing potential in the alpha

[upper pawn]

In terms of lore impact, i'd say Estela/Umeko/Ikora/Helhest are pretty important.

in terms of quality, i'll preface this with "all of them are below my standards" but i'd say Estela/Umeko are above the rest.

I'm leaving Rossi unranked for now because I wont finish his until tomorrow.

[wraith carbon]

rossi's production quality is probably not going to meet your standards based on what you just said, unfortunately
i still rather liked his quest, but there's some Jank involved

[upper pawn]

and bonus - Ning's quest is terrible, and Kabr's is somehow even worse than that.

[wraith carbon]

lore-wise, Rossi's drew me in a fair bit

[wraith carbon]

ning's interested me based on some little factoids in it but he's such an insufferable character to be around that it ruined it for me
i'm personally a Kabr liker, but i also understand why people would...not. i liked his quest, but if you hate his personality and character you will not enjoy it

[proven python]

Would be dope if we will be able to visit the location they mentioned in the quest

[upper pawn]

Yeah. Ning's at least had interesting subject matter, but the character is awful. Kabr's is both awful subject matter and awful character - to me.

[wraith carbon]

the whole thing with Ning's pre-risen backstory was an interesting subject to think about but good god i hate hearing that man talk

i at least appreciate that most of his dialogue with characters on the selection screen are at his expense

[upper pawn]

Speaking of that, i find it rather interesting just how many Pre-Risen stories we're getting.

[wraith carbon]

considering how taboo it is in the main timeline yeah, it's really interesting to see pop up so often here

like, we even got a hint at what the player character did before they died, which is something i don't think bungie will ever do for the main games

(nor should they)

it's cool here, though, because Wolf is actually like...their own character rather than solely being the player's vessel

[upper pawn]

Yeah, speaking purely in terms of "a gacha MC", Wolf is above average in terms of that aspect

[proven python]

I actually like kabr storyline a lot. I know people feel that the goofiness doesn't match the kabr they remember but I very much enjoyed seeing him grow from a boy who only wanted to be famous and praised to choosing to be not known or recognized by anyone. His sacrifice by the end of the quest kinda completed a good character arc and hints at the big moves that we all don't want him to take in the future

[wraith carbon]

also good god kabr's dialogue in general is just crammed full of forshadowing and i think it's a lot of fun
good writing? not necessarily
but hearing him say stuff like "time will be my grave" is just so fun

[proven python]

Netease writers certainly did their homework

[karmic zodiac]

Gwynn's, Estela then Helhest because Felwinter peak

[karmic zodiac]

But in the end Guardians make there own fate.

[upper pawn]

Yeah like, Gwynn's quest was....fine, not remarkable, but decent enough. It just doesnt really add anything to the lore at all.

[still tapir]

do that and im immediately spending money in the game

[storm coral]

im suprised no one did fanfic of this yet

[void swallow]

I like ning’s character but dear god that story was awful

[granite sail]

ning is so dope but his story couldve been better

[visual anchor]

Im liking the lore so far. My fav. character story-wise is Helhest (You can rarely go wrong with the awoken & Mara) but it was a bit short. Maybe I expect too much of a Mobile, but I do hope they continue that story thread in the future

[steady sage]

I wasn't expecting the twist !!!!! Came here to appreciate the Rossi story!!

[karmic zodiac]

Urmmmmm maybe...

[wind fulcrum]

I really enjoyed Gwynns Story lorewise in the fact that you learn something about lightbearers from another country and you get to experience the story and actions from a former warlord. In my opinion it really was interesting, rather than just reading about them in a lore tab.

[topaz finch]

Rossi-11 The Weaver, wow after the story i am even more excited about maining him.

[karmic zodiac]

That country is my country.... and the warlords deserved it

[wind fulcrum]

I really loved it!

[upper pawn]

Yeah but i'm just saying like, it didnt really "add" anything. its a new perspective, but not new. Warlords being degenerate madmen isnt new to us. Its a fine quest, and its fine for Gwynn specifically, its just very....self contained. If you did or didnt do the quest, your understanding of Destiny doesnt change.

Compare to Estela (substantial Ahamkhara lore expansion), Ikora (setting the stage for Great Disaster), Umeko (adds an entire new faction to the lore), or Helhest (new Awoken lore, possible signs of divergence in our timeline fork)

If i were writing Gwynn's quest, i would have kept in everything thats in it, but put in alot more about old England/London from her perspective, an area that is largely absent from lore (due to the House of Devils burning it to the ground). That would have been a way to have it "add something" yet still build her character.

Perhaps even take the opportunity to have it be part of the timeline fork and have it not be gone

[karmic zodiac]

I know I did.

[wind fulcrum]

Yea you're right. I like your idea of the quest but I'm also thankful for what we actually got. But i get your point, it doesn't add something brand new just letting you view it from another perspective and I really enjoyed that.

[karmic zodiac]

"A dive into deaths cold embrace. How can I refuse"

[karmic zodiac]

Playing through Rossi-11 story now. It's really good.

[brisk forge]

so is the traveller/ last city/ haven still in South America? there was definitely implications it was in the main time line what with Amanda's family crossing the Panima Ravine, but Haven seems to have castle like structures all around. Other landmarks don't really help. in the Helhest story they mention Felwinter Peak (and by extension old Russia) is really far away. im not sure if the scale of the map helps much either

not sure China and the red sea are actually as close as the map indicates

if you could even see landmass under the clouds

[prime cave]

Traveler is still in South America. City is being built under it, Haven is an outpost a few hundred miles away. Haven seems to have been partially constructed by Radegast through wishes with Morgran, so a lot of the design is based on Radegast's idea of a safe city, and he's from Europe. The world map isn't really accurate to the actual locations of things

[karmic zodiac]

Rossi character quest done. That was really good!!!!

[tight rock]

Rossi will probably be the closest we will get to a playable iron lord not counting jolder

[karmic zodiac]

Who knows really.

[frozen sage]

He’s so incredibly based.

“Repent!”

[topaz finch]

100%

[rustic elk]

My favourite tidbit that makes me impressed they did their homework is the pvp mode, it's called the Iron Bar, which was the name of Destiny 1's development restructure task-force, IE the team that took all of what was built for D1 during its rough development and reworked it into the game we ended up getting:

So in July of 2013, Bungie’s leadership decided to totally reboot Destiny’s story. They kept much of the lore and mythology—the Traveler, the idea of Guardians, enemy races like Cabal and Vex—but they overhauled Staten’s entire plot, according to the people who spoke to me for this piece.

Over the next few months, Jones did two pivotal things, sources said. He designed the interface we know now as the director, a sleek set of maps in which missions are presented as nodes within each planet. He also organized a series of extensive meetings called “Iron Bar” where he and other top creators at Bungie like art director Chris Barrett and design lead Luke Smith would figure out how to cobble together a new, less linear plot for the game. This small group of developers spent the next two weeks sketching out a new plot and figuring out how to fit in the story missions they’d created over the past few years.

In the weeks after the reboot, the Iron Bar group—along with a team of designers and producers called Blacksmith (because they’d hammer and polish the “Iron Bar”)—came up with a new plan for Destiny. They rescoped the game, cutting out the Dreadnaught and moving it to the expansion, which was then called Comet. They changed the order in which players would progress between each planet. And they cut apart each story mission, splicing together encounters from a variety of old pieces to form the chimera that was Destiny’s new campaign.

[upper pawn]

Fitting given that this is a functionally a reboot of the franchise (and the mainline game may not survive)

[karmic zodiac]

"There is no repentance here. Only attonment"

[karmic zodiac]

Maybe if bungie didn't do bungie things it might of done.

[upper pawn]

Alas, Bungie is Bungie. Lets just hope in their death throes that they sell off the rights to Destiny permanently.

[eager locust]

It’s really a shame to see such a promising IP turn out like this. What’s even more surprising is that the Destiny franchise has never had any spin-off novels and only a handful of spin-off comics, which stands in sharp contrast to the Halo series.

[alpine cypress]

hi

[storm coral]

Welcome, are you new here?

[karmic zodiac]

Welcome to the lore section.

[tribal lantern]

theres been comics?

[karmic zodiac]

Yep.

[prime cave]

Nuh uh

Comics aren't real, they never happened

There was some fanfic comic thing a few years ago that just happened to be made by Bungie

[tribal lantern]

👀 are they good? can i read them without paying 50$ for the physical book lol

[prime cave]

They contradict a ton of lore

[tribal lantern]

oh :(

[karmic zodiac]

They are bit meh tbh. Mainly got them for the emblem

[prime cave]

And no clue about where to find them but they're almost certainly published online somewhere

[karmic zodiac]

As someone who owns it, its not worth. Just the emblem lol

[hollow wharf]

do you guys think Rezyl would work as a playable guardian? iirc, he pre-dated iron lords/warlords. back when guardians were risen

i imagine he'd probably have been corrupted by now. but i'll be damned if i didnt want to play as space anakin skywalker

[upper pawn]

He should be pre-corruption right now. We are very early in the City Age part of the timeline (the Faction Wars havent happened yet). His corruption happens substantially later.

Granted, they could have him become corrupted earlier, since this is an alternate timeline which can have things go as different as they want - but if we assume that things are going the same for him, he should be "clean" still.

[hollow wharf]

at this point, i just assume things are the same as they are in the lore until we're shown otherwise. but thats just me. doesnt help that a lot of this stuff is in d1 grimoire, been a minute lol

i really hope this game lasts, it would be a huge missed opportunity not to sprinkle in characters from the mainline games here and there

overall, i'm pretty impressed with the original characters. ikora and jaren set a precedent that they're fine with adding characters we know. imagine being able to play as eris(pre helmouth!), shaxx, shiro-4, toland, the list goes on but those are definitely on my list lol

[prime cave]

Note that Jaren as he is in game files is almost certainly not appearing and is a red herring for data miners

[hollow wharf]

noted 🥲

[prime cave]

But yes, playing as legends from the original games has been a key part of their marketing since the beginning

[hollow wharf]

didnt know that. i hadnt heard anything past it being announced lol. honestly amazed i found it

[winter solstice]

Didi, Marcus Ren's Ghost, has been mentioned a few times in some character diaries. ||She has yet to find and resurrect him.||

[hollow wharf]

oh thats sick! maybe we can get a proper srl

[winter solstice]

Estela's also got a Diary entry that makes me think Tin Can survived a murder attempt by Cyrell on Mars.

[hollow wharf]

wish we had equippable armor. frostees are one of my favorites. what a legend. cant forget stompees either

[winter solstice]

So, Offense or Support Hunter who built his own relic which could be either pair of pants?

[tribal lantern]

do we really need more rng grinding

[twilit dawn]

I mean it could be a cool idea. Like Rossi looks like he already wearing that exotic helmet

[winter solstice]

This is why Marcus Ren's Relic should be his pants.

[storm coral]

if that happems... Then im not gonna use him if his pants are the relic.

[tribal lantern]

every skill use gives you an extra jump

[cursive berry]

do you guys think we will have a lightbearer/s that is related to law and they may be a lone light bearer or consist of a fireteam? like embodying the saying "judge,jury,executioner"

or that saying was already embodied by shin malphur? (all i know he hunts rogue guardians or dark guardians)

[frozen sage]

Uh

Did you play Gwynn’s quest by any chance

[karmic zodiac]

Urmmmmm me....

"Death has judged you. And this is his verdict"

[cursive berry]

oh ye, i did, though that was when i was new light in DR, i just didnt care enough since i know i cant get her and wont see the end of her story because of that

she was like 7 days left man

[karmic zodiac]

Just ask a warlord called Kyle on what I did to him....

[cursive berry]

should i look into mortal or spiritual realm, commuting is hard these days

[karmic zodiac]

He's mortal now in Rising

I'll log on later and do a screenshot of the conversation between Attal and Gwynn about it.

[cursive berry]

of all the warlord "kyle" sounds like those kind of memes where there is artix the paladin, drakath the chaos lord, then there is kyle

whats next? we got a warlord who's name is ben?

[karmic zodiac]

There was a dredgen called Callum in the main timeline. Until he met Shin

[cursive berry]

name's very fantasy enough but whenever i see a normal looking name i just burst out laughing idk why

[karmic zodiac]

Got to think there would be normal names too.

[upper pawn]

Ah yes. We can take seriously the vanguard if thy're named Cayde-6, Ikora, and Zavala. Not so much Carl-7, Irene, and Zack

[karmic zodiac]

Ana Bray, Elsie Bray.... both very normal names and I like it

[cursive berry]

look my point is fantasy names in a fantasy setting, you can have normal names in some sense or to a degree, you can make a character with cool history but his name is just kiko (normal name here in my country) or a character with pretty normal accomplishments but his name sounds cool like galanoth

i can excuse robotic characters since its usually [name]-[model/series]

[rustic elk]

I mean Drifter goes by Germaine, extremely normal

[alpine cypress]

uwu

[small mantle]

so true

[alpine cypress]

uwu

[karmic zodiac]

That's Tans character quest done

[clever spire]

Lore

[karmic zodiac]

It is lore. It was good. But no spoilers

[upper pawn]

Hmm. Not much lore in it tbh. A bit of background on a specific area but not much beyond that.

[karmic zodiac]

Not the best one, that has to be Rossi tbh

[brazen vault]

Hahha

[frozen sage]

Highkey, and I thought that before I started glazing him

It’s very uh, deep. Makes you care

[iron hornet]

Has anyone gotten a chance to watch the Threats From Beyond Teaser?

[wintry coyote]

we somehow already got the Witness coming lol

[prime cave]

Not the Witness

[wintry coyote]

i'd be down for a great disaster though

that would probably make more sense, but thats well into the city age

but again, alternate timeline go brrr i guess

[tawdry tree]

The great disaster wouldn't be the the great disaster, it will be called something else

[wintry coyote]

the large calamity duh

[wraith carbon]

it wasn't the great disaster until after it was a disaster, yeah

[prime cave]

the great nearly-a-disaster-but-we-saved-everyone-because-we-know-how-to-break-Knight-shields

[iron hornet]

Are there any other destiny characters in lore that have the double voice over or is it just The Witness with that effect?

[slender rock]

When is this supose to be coming? Season 2?

[wraith carbon]

The trailer states "coming 2026" in the description. We do not know when next year that the trailer content will be coming, unfortunately.

[velvet verge]

I can't believe they are coming into destiny rising after dealing with it in shadowkeep to all the way to the final shape. Damn it lol.

[velvet verge]

It is the witness. I checked. Lock and load.

[prime cave]

I mean feel free to think so

but I'm also free to think you're wrong

[iron hornet]

Who do you think it is? I can't think of any other pre established Destiny characters with dual voices. Maybe a new character entirely?

[prime cave]

Imo it's two separate characters. They're the voices speaking at the beginning and middle of the trailer, just speaking together at the end. Most likely Ahamkara or Hive, although I'd love to see Skira, the Watcher

[true elm]

There weren't many who spoke of salvation like this figure does in the trailer but it isnt conclusive if it is the witness or not.

We must not forget that the hive exist because of the witness, I firmly believe we need more details before the ultimate conclusion can be drawn but something like that has a Witness MO written on it.

[tawdry tree]

We need some rising version of the hive lore

[wraith carbon]

the two-eyed hive on the thumbnail is fascinating

[true elm]

Yeah, if we get lore that is pointing in the direction of the hive gods having their worm gods it would make it more concrete.

[iron hornet]

Oh, Skira is an very interesting option. That would be insane to see. A shapeshifter

[true elm]

I suspect the female voice in the trailer could have something to do with the woman that left through the vex gates while we were doing the storyline in RSR.

[prime cave]

The two-eyed hive is also present in the trailer

[wraith carbon]

i can't recall any prominent hive that are missing an eye

eris doesn't count she has three eyes in her hive form

[tawdry tree]

Might be a new character

[wraith carbon]

...i wonder if it's Taox

[true elm]

Eris also hasnt made the pact with that dragon yet to make her escape the clutches of crota.

Crota is not in the star system yet....

[tawdry tree]

He's in the moon

[wraith carbon]

Not yet. They were planning on bringing him to us, but he's yet to arrive. Ikora and Osiris stopped the ritual that was going to do so.

[true elm]

Not currently, he will be. I think it was explained during Ikora's storyline mission as they were trying to summon Crota to Earth at first.

[prime cave]

Well I haven't done her quest yet so there's nothing stopping them from summoning him for me

[wraith carbon]

I may be misremembering slightly. Might be that they were planning on bringing his throne world into reality on Earth?

[true elm]

That failed, so he will summoned to the moon and we already know we fail in stopping him in the main line games; Eris fireteam fails at doing so.

[tawdry tree]

That would be a disaster

[wraith carbon]

A great big one.

[tawdry tree]

This time, we have a sentinel empowered lightbearer

[true elm]

Yes, it was stopped but that isnt stopping them from trying again on the moon and we already know his throne world exist there.

I am interested in how this is all going to go, to be honest. In this timeline we actually may be able to stop him(Crota). However, I entirely believe his throne world will be manufactured and placed on the moon.

This absolutely could be where the time line differs from the main line games and I am very intrigued on this.

I want that juicy hive lore; more than just talks of Sword Logic that Ikora and Gwynn have.

[wraith carbon]

Something I definitely want to see in this game is us doing all of the big disaster events in City history but like...have them go well?

[tawdry tree]

The great reclamation

[small mantle]

the first hive lightbearer....

[karmic zodiac]

Interestingly I played the skywatch mission on Destiny 1, ghost says Hive haven't been seen on Earth in centuries. And the Rising timeline is centuries before D1.

[supple shard]

Its an alternate timeline/spin off

Even if it takes place before the Last City was built its still not the same timeline as the main game

[karmic zodiac]

I know... just saying. Don't make me crush some more warlord ghosts

[upper pawn]

I'm generally in support of them not binding themselves to following any "future events" from Bungie's continuity for any reason. I think what NetEase has done so far is vastly superior to anything Bungie has done in nearly a decade in terms of writing a world/lore. So, alter the timeline as much as you want, I say.

[karmic zodiac]

No statis or strand please. I don't enjoy using them in D2

I prefer arc/solar/void. The Light.

[upper pawn]

I would tend to agree

[karmic zodiac]

Leave them to main timeline. We have relics in this one that makes the supers we have so much better....

[sand wedge]

I would love to use stasis in rising...

[karmic zodiac]

Nope it can stay on D2

[rustic elk]

Agreed, personally not because I generally dislike the elements but they are just such a monumental step in any form of the destiny setting as a whole, a step that would be jumping the shark for rising imo

Plus relics fit its thematic niches anyway, we already got Rossi as our threads and string guy so strand's theme is taken, and all NE need to do is release some void lightbearer that uses a mini-fridge relic or something for slowing people with black holes and that would be stasis's niche fufilled

Plus this game is already damage type rich between shinkas and the light elements, adding 2 more damage types would be so much harder to balance, I mean we don't even have kinetic damage in rising, stasis and strand is beyond the pale

[upper pawn]

Agreed. We have enough levers with 4 shinka / 3 shield as it is.

[severe marten]

i mostly agree (especially stasis lmao that subclass is so ahh), but i liked strand a lot tbh. as someone who loves summoner characters, the more threadlings i was able to summon, the better

i also like that status effect that shot out strand missiles whenever an enemy would take damage (mad fun with necrotic grips)

but we def are not anywhere near any new subclasses in this game when the diversity of characters within the current subclasses is so small

[karmic zodiac]

Need golden gun, thundercrash, panic slam, self res... stormcaller

[fiery swallow]

Anyone have any insights on SRL lore for rising???
I feel like the SRL lore is majorly lacking right now.
Especially with racing being ingame i feel it needs maybe some actual missions and met characters i mention.

Made a post after becoming our first SRL champion.

https://discord.com/channels/1267806213656023071/1428378443212652595

[thorny yarrow]

so..... quick question, since the mods here are called ghosts, ghosts in training, and Sr Ghosts.... does that mean that this is a Whisperers discord server?

[subtle wind]

is this not obviously a disfigured Savathun?

[thorny yarrow]

We must be cautious, we do not want to spread Imbaru, and feed Savathun's worm

[karmic zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/hive-ghost-gif-24980057

[fallow matrix]

[tribal lantern]

i love this

[thorny yarrow]

And @random orbit and @unreal mortar are obviously ghost names (ie: Pulled Pork/Glint, Jinju, and Didi as other notable ghosts from the destiny universe)

[frozen sage]

Agreed. I don’t even want to see the witness, I wanna see other servants of the darkness

[upper pawn]

I'm fine with introducing the Witness as a concept, but not as a direct intervention. Keep it as an "eternally out of reach antagonist"

[thorny yarrow]

I can agree with that

(looks 10 years down the line) Ah! there they are! where they belong, at the end of the tale

[karmic zodiac]

I'm the same. I rather we do the end of the dark age, early city age stuff then face the witness

[upper pawn]

Basically my thought is, give a "face" to the Darkness so to speak, so that it isnt like D1/D2 where its this sort of ambiguous "thing".

But play it more like how the Reapers (and more specifically, Sovreign) were in Mass Effect 1/2

[thorny yarrow]

Narratively, I agree. That would be far better for the story, i think.

[upper pawn]

I am, however, very interested in the specific dialogue from the trailer. It implies that Witness (or the thing people assume is the Witness) is aware of the "merged timeline" situation thats going on

that Destiny Rising is taking place in what is shaping up to be a pseudo "Earth Prime" style situation due to the actions of Project Clotho

[thorny yarrow]

Project Clotho? what is that? Did i miss some lore somewhere?

[frozen sage]

The witness could very much be a multiverse entity

[upper pawn]

It's a background story going on in DR, told through Exotic Lore Tabs on weapons that previously appeared in D1/D2. I made a post (which i'm updating as new weapons are added) that lists the chronological order in which to read the tabs. #lore-discussion message

The TL;DR version is - all of these weapons come from other alternate timelines

[thorny yarrow]

Thank you! i will need to check these out! I really hope they bring more legends from D1 and D2, Like Anna Brey, and others.

[upper pawn]

Someone is consolidating power into this timeline

[wraith carbon]

I'd recommend starting with the Huckleberry lore tab. It goes the most into detail with Clotho as an organization, as it was their first success.

[upper pawn]

Yeah its first in the chronological list

I organized them by retrieval log date

[frozen sage]

That makes a lot of sense

Hated shifting gates until I played it with Rossi

I think I like this character or something

Also did we confirm that the legendary bow was actually better than the mythic for PvP? Or was that a myth

[frozen sage]

Never before in shifting

His playstyle just speaks to me

[thorny yarrow]

careful, i dont know how much the Whisperers watch this chat, but i feel there are better channels for it

[frozen sage]

What what

Oh shoot I posted in the wrong chat lmao

[thorny yarrow]

lol, and by Whisperers i mean the mods, our ghost overlords

[wraith carbon]

as long as it doesn't completely derail the chat that's fine

especially if you self correct

[thorny yarrow]

that being the case, well done 🙂

[delicate dome]

Some god teir Destiny characters are aware that they exist in a video game. So it wouldn’t surprise me that the witness in all timelines/games is aware of this. And since Destiny Rising has become a new playable timeline, might be trying to influence a different turn of events since they lost in the D2 story

[frozen sage]

Where was it stated they know this? I’ve never heard of that

[frozen sage]

I think it’s interesting how rarely Destiny addresses the age of many of these guardians. They are elvish to many mortals, having existed for generations as a symbol of protection and hope. Their life experience would far surpass even the oldest person you know, and yet they are still in their prime, fighting the good fight.

[tawdry tree]

If that's the case, then destiny rising might be considered the more hopeful timeline compared to d1-d2

[frozen sage]

Well duh, in d1-d2, Rossi wasn’t alive to low diff solo the Witness

[tawdry tree]

He got cooked by crota along with the others

We lost so much subclass variety, that we just got the barebones version

[frozen sage]

He had his back turned obviously. Had he been paying attention, Crota would have been brought to his bony knees by the sheer aura

[tawdry tree]

Now I'm wondering how strong wolf can get, ever since they got THE GIFT from you know who during the final bossfight

[frozen sage]

Yea true

[frosty tapir]

Rossi 9

IX

aka my dad

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[wraith carbon]

Fun grappling-hook related info I never got a chance to share because it was never relevant: Helhest's age is marked as 33 in the design doc.
"Lightbearer age" made me think of that.
Actual release diary spoiler: ||Her living name was also Carella, but it's spelt Kyriella in the doc.||

[upper pawn]

Interesting information.

[wraith carbon]

Considering the source, take it with the biggest grain of salt possible

[upper pawn]

Of course, with Awoken, you're dealing with two layers of age irrelevance.

Since the 33 there would be "her age at the time of the Yang Liwei incident" presumably.

[wraith carbon]

I don't know from her diary stuff if she's reefborn or not

Or her character quest

I kinda hyperfocused on Rossi

[wraith carbon]

just a bit

[upper pawn]

Well, presumably yes since she (character quest spoiler) ||was a Crow|| but Reefborn/Earthborn is related to what individuals decided to do after leaving Distributary, no? Not actual "born"

Anyway, the main thing of interest with a listed age - 33 - is that most likely puts her on the Yang Liwei, rather than having been born later.

[wraith carbon]

I kind of assumed reefborn meant "born after the distributary" but that might not be accurate seeing as a bunch of awoken are mortal but well over 125 years old in the main canon

[upper pawn]

Yeah, its based on what they did at the conclusion of the Distributary era. Reefborn stayed with Mara, Earthborn left and returned to Earth.

[rustic elk]

Rising at least for now is certainly a more hopeful timeline despite its contextual flaws. That said, until we know it’s ultimate fate, there’s plenty of chances for it to turn into yet another dark future sadly

[frozen sage]

The best one to hyperfocus on

[thorny yarrow]

Actually, due to the decisions of Mara Sov when she first awoke in the distributary, All awoken are immortal in the sense that they will not die of old age, but can still be "killed"

[ivory flint]

Can't wait to get my ship

[tranquil echo]

I like this thought tbh

[thorny yarrow]

Given this is lore from D2's Lorebase, im not 100% sure that it follows to D: Rising. I hope it's the case

[wraith carbon]

Incorrect, Awoken still age outside of the distributary.

[thorny yarrow]

Interesting, so that's a divergence from the Original Destiny Universe/Timeline

[wraith carbon]

No, this is true in main timeline as well.

[prime cave]

They age more slowly but they still age

They were only immortal within the Distributary, where Mara had control over the laws of the universe

[thorny yarrow]

I see, i just re-read the Destiny-pedia entry, that is correct. My bad

[upper pawn]

They do age so slowly that they may as well not though. Petra was in the Reef Wars which we have an actual time reference to (minimum 126 years, likely much longer) and still looks quite youthful

And so were many others

[thorny yarrow]

If i remember one of MyNameIsByf's videos correctly, they had somewhere between 1000s to millions of years in the Distributary

ummmmmm this is a lore channel?

insert "ma'am this is a wendys" meme

[tawdry tree]

It's a bot

[thorny yarrow]

I see

[upper pawn]

Clankers in chat

[tawdry tree]

Be specific

[thorny yarrow]

Darn, who let Claptrap in?

[prime cave]

Are we gonna have a problem here?

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-sonic-stare-goku-stare-fading-in-sonic-gif-10920636751851585195

[upper pawn]

Nah there was a bot earlier lol

[prime cave]

I knew that much, but Taniks is half-clanka

[upper pawn]

Ah very true

[thorny yarrow]

Taniks has died and come back so many times, im beginning to think that he actually has a throne world/oversoul

[urban maple]

Hola

[thorny yarrow]

Waves

[karmic zodiac]

Hello, welcome to the Lore section

[urban maple]

No hablo ingles lo siento

Quien habla Español

[ebon pike]

How does everyone feel on the witness reveal in the newest trailer?

[frozen sage]

Still unclear

[rustic elk]

Like when I watched the shadowkeep reveal cinematic

A lot of “what the heck is going on?”

[ebon pike]

No I mean the new trailer for D rising

[rustic elk]

That’s what I mean, it is giving me the same excited confusion as Shadowkeep’s initial reveal

[ebon pike]

Oh got it

[fading fractal]

Feels too early. Even Crota barely has a presence.

[karmic zodiac]

Moons haunted

[karmic zodiac]

Way too early for the witness.

[muted shuttle]

Honestly, I get more IX vibes than the Witness from that teaser

[vagrant pasture]

Ikr

[tawdry tree]

Its like it's watching us, testing us before confronting us

[upper pawn]

The IX feel more likely to be "multiversal beings" than the Witness. And the way that the voices in the trailer spoke, feels like its very aware of this being an alternate timeline (one that is consolidating power from other timelines into itself)

[muted shuttle]

I don’t recall the witness being that aware of simultaneous temporal events

At least not in terms of the IX or vex

[muted shuttle]

Plus the nine are a group/collective of higher dimensional beings so the multiple voices still checks out

[wraith carbon]

the time distortion on mars is it's fault
it was poking around the past looking for something
that being said, i think the thought of a multiverse would have upset it greatly, and thus they probably wouldn't acknowledge the possibility

[fallow matrix]

[frozen sage]

What was he looking for? The veil?

[karmic zodiac]

How is this lore related ... which now gone 😆 🤣

[wraith carbon]

Yes

[frozen sage]

How is it not?

[wraith carbon]

I believe there was a bot in the channel earlier

Unfortunate example of context collapse

[prime cave]

This is why it's best to actually use discord's response feature so you can see it was for a deleted message

[karmic zodiac]

The spam beforehand thats been deleted