lore-discussion

[strange frigate]

Cayde is a demon?

[kindred sleet]

He was made into an exo by bray to pay off debts he already was a guardian when he took on the exo program

He was hired as security to maya sanderesh

Took care of micah for bray aka the whole backstory of (ACE)

[kindred sleet]

No im saying demon as in towards you

[strange frigate]

Ah

[strange frigate]

Hmm sus

[kindred sleet]

Thats actual lore its in his books in the game

He was in hella debt clovis paid off his debts for him to be one of the first exos

As a human he was hired security which in finals shape we found out it was maya sanderesh which he fell in love with

And the kid he thought was his is micah 10 again lore in final shape and in books

Micah 10 is also the kid who wrote the letters to the trveler from europa (penguin toy lore)

Trust me i get nerdy with this lol

[strange frigate]

You know saying him being one of the first exos kinda disprove him already being a guardian given the fact lightbearers werent a thing until after the collapse

[teal plaza]

i dont think you can be made exo after becoming a guardian either

[strange frigate]

Yeah so he was clearly a normal human, became an exo, died and was or will be revived at some point

[kindred sleet]

Well in cayde lore it seems that way 🤷 lore be wierd at times

But its the reason why the # after exos are a problem

Ghost can res exos and such but no thier memories or somthing which is why they have to be rebooted

[strange frigate]

Destiny lore to deep

[teal plaza]

yeah he was exo before guardian

[kindred sleet]

Lord felwinters story is another trippy one

[strange frigate]

Anyway ugh i wanna play rising

[teal plaza]

ghosts resurrect the last reboot of an exo they arent rebooted if they are a guardian

[kindred sleet]

But they cant like function without a reboot

[teal plaza]

if theyre a normal exo bro

[kindred sleet]

So how does that work ghost cant just bring a robot back

I swear theres a lore about that whole issue i gotta find it

[teal plaza]

paracausality preserves the actual living person

[kindred sleet]

Right there living person

Exo is mecanical

Yeah ghost brings back the guardian/lighbearer from a previous timeline yaddah yaddah that i know

[teal plaza]

exos have living minds, the ghost resurrects the being it doesnt have to be biological because paracausality removes constraints of physics

[strange frigate]

They can perfectly revive a human who frankly has no matter left, exos are just human conciousness in metal bodies hell a ghost could theoritically revive a transformer lol

[kindred sleet]

Lmfao

[teal plaza]

a guardian exo does not suffer DER so therefore doesnt need to be rebooted

and they dont suffer DER, because they never remember being human to begin with as guardians dont remember their past lives

[kindred sleet]

So then saint 14 was rebooted 14 times before becoming a guardian and cayde 6x before his res as well

🤔

[strange frigate]

Yes

[teal plaza]

yeah exactly that

[kindred sleet]

Well guess there no limit to what a ghost can and cant do

To its own lightbearer anyway

Big sad when ghist told our guardian in forsaken while cayde was legit dying theres nothing i can do

[patent crag]

false

[kindred sleet]

Guess so haha i retract my previous statement

[patent crag]

thanks you, lore police whatching here

[strange frigate]

There there

[kindred sleet]

Lmfao oh no

[patent crag]

even an aberation like Linear fusion rifle was implemented inside the game so ///

*an exemple to show some inacurate content knowing the lore

[kindred sleet]

We went from cayde to a linear fusion rifle...what...confusion

[patent crag]

it's just to show that even Dev team can do mistake

[kindred sleet]

Aww i see but lore wise in this game isnt cannon so they could go wild

[patent crag]

whow what ?

[kindred sleet]

But then again in the main lore game theyre changing alot as well

[patent crag]

no canon ? for real ?

[kindred sleet]

Yeah that i can say isnt false its its been already said

[patent crag]

damn , so they have to bring us a stand alone game ( solo player ) who we play saladin then

[kindred sleet]

Ooo yeah dude forgot all about saladin hes one of the OG iron lords as well lol

[teal plaza]

wait whats being retconned in destiny 2

[patent crag]

if you take the Arbalest exotic weapons in D2 , (and open the lore description script ) you can read a quote from the Wanderer saying : in Dark ages we do not have linear fusion rifle , instead we got this ! /

that mean in dark ages , they are suppose to fight without Linear fusion rifle .

[kindred sleet]

I guess i should say it seems like they can just throw in somthing and make it make sence for the benefit of the expansion or story

the awoken should a thing as well in this universe so could we possibly see mara sov or uldren sov pre crow

[kindred sleet]

Well at least theyre not throwing ace of spades at us with no cayde lol imagine attal with an ace lol

Alot of cannon characters that can possibly make an appearance as weve seen ikora drifter the whole cast of iron lords

Kabr which is from the vault of glass lore jolder which was one of the lords killed by siva

[strange frigate]

If 2 guardians do the bow chika wow wow could they have a kid

[unreal cosmos]

Hello, what time does the server open in LATAM Argentina?

[strange frigate]

Idk 2 hours ish

[teal plaza]

no their bodies are sterile

[unreal cosmos]

OK thanks

[strange frigate]

Nooo

[wide lark]

When do servers go up???

[kindred sleet]

I was about to say thats lore too lol

Cant have light bearing babies roaming around lmfao

[strange frigate]

But they be so cute

[teal plaza]

tell that to shin malphur lol

[kindred sleet]

He was the only exception but he wasnt born one he was resd...which still makes no sence

By wards ghost then like hey wards dead but hey you get his gun and powers ...

Meaning powers can be transferred i guess

[tawdry oxide]

Ok so like brief rundown of story? Pls

[kindred sleet]

Again lore be lore-ing lol

[placid stone]

Speaking of lore

[teal plaza]

the last word was left to him by dredgen yor, or at least thats how shin interpreted that event, golden gun he channelled through the last word

[placid stone]

I know why the "Queenbreaker" isn't called that in DRising

[kindred sleet]

Yeah yor wanted to be out down he knew he was too far gone

Guess he say it in shin

[teal plaza]

again, thats up for contention i think it was his way of showing sword logic, he always let his victims fire first, jaren couldnt put him down so then yor fired, shin however? had the power

[kindred sleet]

I think it took that name from d1 after the devils rebelled the awoken

[placid stone]

Say that D2's and DRising's timelines did match up. DRising is closer to D1 in the timeline and the assassination attempt on Mara Sov didn't happen yet. So why call it that during the D1 timeline of things

[kindred sleet]

True dont kill what cant fight back he waited untill shin could fire back guess shin was a better shot

[teal plaza]

also you cannot trust shin's tell of events since he is clearly coping with grief saying yor done it all for a reason, easier to accept it's a test given by yor than simply yor just wanted to kill jaren

[kindred sleet]

Shin imo was mid crazy just starts the dregens low key just to kill corrupted guardians...thats dark

Shin was one of the founders of the shadows of yor if i remember correctly

[teal plaza]

yes he founded it to kill them

[kindred sleet]

Yup

[kindred sleet]

They couldve just named it breaker

But then again copyright reasons maybe lmfao

[teal plaza]

the drifter was in league with him hence why gambit even exists it's a test to see who falls and if you do, shin will kill you, which is why i said earlier shin malphur is as much a representation of sword logic as dredgen yor was

[kindred sleet]

Yeah that i remember drifter legit made a deal with shin to not get clipped dredgen hope aka drifter he was a shadow as well

Which is why he made the exotic handcannon malfeasance in case yor didnt keep his side of the bargain

And wanted to recruit us to be on his side as insurance

[teal plaza]

you mean shin but yeah, malfeasance was made so guardians could team shoot shin and actually win that fight

[stark quest]

i think the drifter should have a toyota so he can drift better

[kindred sleet]

Yeah lol

[kindred sleet]

Destiny rising -wu ming drift

See you out there brotha...trust

Ikora meeting pre hive eris would be dope

Eriana 3 toland pre hive eris

[kindred sleet]

Lol cool to add youre funny

[timid crater]

Titan Guardian/Lightbearer versus a Spartan II (so somebody like Master Chief). No space magic, and no suit. Would master chief win? I ask because I completely forgot my D1/D2 lore and am shamefully confused if guardians/lightbearers had any sort of super soldier-like augmentation to them apart from their suits and space magic.

[kindred sleet]

Well in terms of strength a spartan is just a lightless titan

[timid crater]

So somebody like Zavala or Radegast can probably go toe-to-toe with Master Chief? no space magic.

[kindred sleet]

Saint 14 VS master chief id pay for that one

[timid crater]

hell yeah... somebody should do some crossover story/animation...

[prime linden]

A guy who just woke up with superpowers vs a supersoldier that can lorewise can bench a whole mountain, was trained from the age of six and has the most combat experience than any common human, idk you tell me.

Forgot to say, also that spantan are unnaturally very quick

[kindred sleet]

Basically power of light but from there regular humans or robots if theyre exos lol

[timid crater]

Fair point 😂 okay, I guess we can skip the newbie Titans xD Somebody like Saint-14 or any of the Titans that have been revived should be considered. Not us players.

[kindred sleet]

Unless theyre trained but spartan wise titans would be a better match as a hunter main it would be like that scene from avengers with hulk and loki lol

[cunning bison]

Like reading the destiny's Bible in here.

[kindred sleet]

Warlocks -spacemagic
Hunters-revolvers knives jumping
Titans-brute strength and punching lol

[cunning bison]

Destiny 2

[kindred sleet]

Come brother join us around thy traveler lol

[timid crater]

true.. and if the Halo live-action series were any indication to canon material, they scale terrain like it's nothing.

[cunning bison]

😂

I'm not a lore guy tbh.

[prime linden]

It could be very close, because as I know so far, lightbearers are not genetically superhuman, magic compensates for that, so in a fight saint 14 better finish it as quick as possible, because Spartans besides impressive strength and skills they are also very precise and they have superhuman reflexes, in fact they can react alot faster than any person with favored human genetics, in fact they are a class of their own if you ask me.

[kindred sleet]

Destiny lore is what made me keep coming back for 7years sadly cant say the gameplay lol

But rise gameplay ...it just might

[cunning bison]

If I would read any lore. It would be from POE.

Path of Exile

[kindred sleet]

So many cool characters and rising was just that extra sauce we needed gwynn alone bro...

[prime linden]

Rising was the whole dressing

[kindred sleet]

Facts

Rising is what edge of fate shouldve been instead we get a new sandbox every week dry ol expansion and a mid story

[timid crater]

so I guess the lightbearer name does sort of give it away... xD guardians need the light to perform any superhuman feat. I have to adjust the scenario in my mind then 😂

It'll have to be guardians/lightbearer WITH the light versus Spartans. Ah well.. gonna continue imagining it while I work. Thanks guys.

[kindred sleet]

Forgot cant cuzz i already been warned by staff lol

Gotta keep it pg in here lol

[kindred sleet]

Light bearers are just resurrected folks ..guardians are the names of the soldier lightbearers from the vanguard

Which i dont think the vanguard was a thing yet in this universe since there is no last city just haven

[prime linden]

I have 2 years since I touched destiny 2 and rising is what made me come back only for that, the chinese cooked so hard without needing to even spend so much effort, only if bungie did the same😔 😔

[kindred sleet]

Seriously

[teal plaza]

thats the thing with the light i feel a lightbearer easily beats master chief

[kindred sleet]

Bungie is just lazy final shape was thier last hoorah that expansion was good

[teal plaza]

its a shame cause lore wise edge of fate is great but sucks every other way

[kindred sleet]

Yeah ikora backstory was dope

Only took 11 years lol

[prime linden]

Of course it depends as i said, Spartans are freaks of nature according to the books.

Not even nature, more like science

[kindred sleet]

But spartans are basically captn america when guardians are superman so yeah

[teal plaza]

any experienced lightbearer wins i only see master chief beating new lights

and even then can he destroy the ghosts? probably not so they just revive anyway

[kindred sleet]

Ghosts were meant to be this crazy lightforce now anybody can shoot em forsaken nerfed ghosts lol

Master chef could prob crush em witch queen style

[teal plaza]

that was done with a devourer bullet so it wasnt a nerf it is literally why dredgen yor could kill guardians too

[prime linden]

I mean do lightbearers know cqc or anything a modern military could thought them? Or maybe just maybe, do they know how to react as fast as a Spartans because I can only see this going in 2 ways, either the lightbearer ragequits or the spartan is doing some Leon S. Kennedy movement to avoid all the attacks.

[teal plaza]

he isnt paracausal so probably not, i always interpreted that as us being able to reach into its light due to being paracausal

[kindred sleet]

Remember that scene with crow zavala and caityl

Didnt they just shoot it and zavala collapsed

[teal plaza]

bro a lightbearer simply nova bombs the area no cqc needed

[kindred sleet]

Facts tho 🤣

[prime linden]

Idk how spartan reaction can counter that, all tactics are allowed i guess

[kindred sleet]

And the whole devour bullet thing it seemed like a norm bullet from that scourne that killed sundance

[devout chasm]

How to unlock gwynn anyone help me pls

[teal plaza]

yeah i was going off the argument of the lightbearer is allowed to use the light, since without it its a stompfest to master chief, but likewise with light master chief gets stomped theres no middle ground lol

[lament chasm]

Master chief would just slap your ghost once with a sidearm 💀

[kindred sleet]

Was that ever in lore ? Yeah yor had light eating hive magic bullets make sence i mean hive wizards legit eat light but didnt seem that way in prison of elders

[teal plaza]

no it was a devourer bullet it was cinfirmed

[timid crater]

I mean... with space magic and light augmentation, I too would doubt master chief can win 1-on-1 with an experienced/battle-hardened guardian. So, in my mind (and when I posted the question earlier) I had stripped the guardians off any space magic/abilities. They have only their strength and super-human physicality as a result of the light. At least, this is the scenario I am playing right now in my mind, and man what a battle 🔥

[teal plaza]

only titans have superhuman strength so yh i recommend you use a titan for this scenario

[lament chasm]

That would be like d1 before you get your abilities

[timid crater]

Yes yes, indeed Titans. Saint-14 to be exact.

[hidden surge]

I never played halo but how is this even a question if a newbie guardian can beat a 800 pound cabal by punching it to death

[kindred sleet]

Oh snap yup i see it

[teal plaza]

ghosts require tremendous amounts of force to be killed, or paracausal bypasses like devourer rounds or the darkness itself

[kindred sleet]

It was a devourer bullet as in the same as thorn crazy wonder where they got it

[teal plaza]

i forgot how they got it but yh they did

[kindred sleet]

Drifter Maybe

[prime linden]

The same way chief and many lower ranking Spartans can take care of the many superior species that are around

In Halo of course

[timid crater]

Valid question, thing is Spartan II (of which Master Chief was part of) was sort of the Titan equivalents of the spartan program. They strong. Like really ... really strong. Probably not as strong as "The Greatest Titan Who Ever Lived" my man Saint-14.. but I was wondering how Master Chief (the most known, but not the strongest Spartan II) could hold his own.

[kindred sleet]

Prob sold em one i mean if he was a shadow at some point he had a thorn

[teal plaza]

impressively well id say

[kindred sleet]

Since the trickster rolled with drifter at one point

[prime linden]

Chief ain't a rookie that's for sure

[hidden surge]

So could he first fight a cabal?

[kindred sleet]

Thats more of a fair fight imo

[teal plaza]

thats the main similarity between the guardian and master chief they both keep winning in fights with odds stacked against them

[timid crater]

Master Chief? ehhmm... I can definitely say he can. But, how effective (and how fast he can take em down), I would refer to the live-action halo series where he fought arbiter, and if that is any indication, then he'd fair pretty good I'd say.

but one-punching em... yeah, maybe not.

[prime linden]

No? Master chief is technically just lucky and a bit good at everything, the fact that he is alive right now is both plot armor and luck which tbh his luck is already magic on itself because what he survives is the impossible of course cortana did a bunch that ensured his survival so all by himself? It's difficult to say.

[hidden surge]

How about the hive vs doomguy?

[timid crater]

hot dang, that's next on the epic stuff playing on my mind.

[prime linden]

Let's not forget spartan 2s are very few and many of them died during the war.

[teal plaza]

that is cinema

[teal plaza]

true

[prime linden]

Nah too overkill, doomguy is above whatever destiny can offer ngl

[hidden surge]

Weren't y'all just talking about paracausal bullets from the hive or something lol

[timid crater]

forgot about Cortana. She does play an essential role in Master Chief's survival. In the live-action, I think she was even instrumental in enable him to go beyond his limits.

[hollow saffron]

pray for cayde 6 new character

[teal plaza]

isnt that the point of doom its just overkill

[prime linden]

Don't look at the live action for lore, lorewise yes contana is one basic reason why chief is still alive.

[prime linden]

Yea, bro killed himself to kill more demons in the afterlife, he is what saint would've want to be

[timid crater]

So it's not 1-to-1 with game canon? Man I really got get up to speed in the Halo gameverse.

[hidden surge]

Btw I have an actual lore question the hypotheticals got me thinking and I actually don't know how many fallen and cabal are there in the solar system? And how many humans are left?

[prime linden]

The lore of the tv show is very different that it could count as fanfiction.

[teal plaza]

exactly doomguy is peak titan fantasy

[prime linden]

Games and books are the real source of the real fun.

[strange frigate]

Imagine a destiny tv show

[prime linden]

I wouldn't trust bungie with the script tbh

[strange frigate]

Nah it gonna be made by netease

[timid crater]

I haven't gone too far into DRIsing campaign to see any indication of those numbers. Would be good to know if there were any space-faring humans too, or any that turned into something else like the Awoken in D1/D2.

[strange frigate]

Cabal and fallen hmm millions probably billions

[prime linden]

Hope that we won't see neomuna in the future

[strange frigate]

Why not i love that place

[prime linden]

The place looked cool ngl but I don't want to see it again, especially the terrifying cyborg looking guys, just no.

[timid crater]

the place in Lightfall dlc? Dang... I stopped D2 just before that expansion. 😭

[strange frigate]

What those guys are Great

[prime linden]

They look creepy dude, and especially nimbus, I regret even buying that dlc, if they put nimbus as a character i can draw in the future, I am leaving.

[strange frigate]

Scared of nimbus thats certaintly new

[west stratus]

i enjoyed rohan and nimbus

[prime linden]

He looks like a teenager that was on steroids and then they overstretched the body to its absolute limits, and besides that the dialogue gave me a tumor.

[cerulean vault]

Server still not open does anyone know how long it will open ?

[west stratus]

28 min

[strange frigate]

There there he cant hurt you... Yet

[timid crater]

Just saw the images.. hmm, they do look creepy. I personally would need to fight one to change my all-time scare from this game... For me, it was always those dang hive. And I'm not talkin about those lazy slow poke Knights, or those wizards. It's those Thrall that give me the hibby jibbies. Like whenever it gets silent and dark in a cave? You know thrall fight night's about to get down.... tbh, and I say this with all shame... it's probably one of the reasons why I stopped playing D2.. not the main reason, but it's there, included in my list.

[prime linden]

😭 😭 😭

[strange frigate]

You guys have some weird takes in whats scary in destiny

[prime linden]

Democracy is beautiful ain't it?

[strange frigate]

Probably

[prime linden]

Ngl, the hive always looked fine as heck

[strange frigate]

Ooh someone's got a type

[timid crater]

my guy... I... am a scaredy cat. xD I am. I have never every played a horror game willfully in my life. The closest was/is Destiny, and maybe The Last Of Us. And I had to play that game in between days to just reset the scare factor (and only played it because of the tech marvels I wanted to see for myself). For Destiny, what can I say, I love the space setting and guns.. but those Thralls? They can stay buried xD

[prime linden]

Don't tell me you wouldn't smash Savathun? Let's be reasonable adults here.

[strange frigate]

Not really

[wide zodiac]

If by "Smash Savathun" you mean "Kill her with a Titan Thundersmash for all the horrific crimes and genocides she caused" then yeah I'd smash Savathun

[strange frigate]

Heres a small problem i have a baby actually a cat but still a baby named savathun so i refuse to do anything to something called savathun

[prime linden]

Nah bruh wtf? First of all no second of all no

[wide zodiac]

To be fair, Thrall Are scary. Just ask Vel Tarlowe

[strange frigate]

Lol

[wide zodiac]

Dude thought "I'm a titan that's immortal, I can take a horde of thrall" Dude got permaate.

The main reason Thrall aren't scary is because we are overpowered demigods with lighting and fire and void powers, and know they exist to boot.

Imagine you are Random Janshi Metro Gurella guy, you get sent on a mission to kill some dregs only to find their eaten remains and wonder what could have done this, only to see a horde of space zombies crawl out the walls and charge you

[teal plaza]

for me it's the witness, or more specifically the leading consciousness of the witness

[strange frigate]

The scariest thing in destiny is i dont know the deralic maybe

[prime linden]

Isn't he a compressed can of souls? So what consciousness if he is a collective hivemind of multiple consciousnesses

[teal plaza]

the leading one, as in the member of the precursor race who made this happen, since it was a governing body called the penitent that formed them into the witness

[solar peak]

Hey guys new here. Quick question Abt the lore: what is the relationship between rising and d1&2? Like rising storyline happening after d1&2?

[teal plaza]

its an alternate timeline but serves as prequel too somewhat

[wide zodiac]

To us, 10 thrall on a charge is nothing, just shoot em or toss some kind of light grenade.

To a Mortal, some kind of messed up space zombie horde from a horror movie just showed up and are now eating Tim.

[solar peak]

Thank you! That makes sense

[prime linden]

So let me get this straight, he sacrificed all his species just to hunt down an oversized magic ball? Bruh

[teal plaza]

what i find scary is such a mind existed to see that as a good solution, and finality as this mathematical stillness that no life, or chaos thrives it is only shaped such obsession with control is reminiscent of the psyche of a serial killer, not only that the way the witness (penitent voices) cut other parts of it out of the collective psyche, because they arent fit for the final shape, also the way it formed the dread is horrifying

[wide zodiac]

TLDR it's all about perspective. What is not scary to us can be scary to another. Hell, I think cursed thrall aren't scary untill I don't see one coming ahnd THEN I go AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[wild jacinth]

But he wanted to turn everyone into pizza slice statues too

[teal plaza]

also the way the witness speaks is equally soothing as it is uncomfortable

[nimble shuttle]

Friends, why did you turn off the servers?

[vital heron]

Very colorful statues

[teal plaza]

brett dalton killed it as the witness

[wild jacinth]

To me the scariest thing in destiny is the RNG on good/bad fireteam finder teammates

[prime linden]

He sounds like Ulysses from New vegas with a smooth voice.

[timid crater]

Makes perfect sense when you put it that way. Thrall should only amount to ants when compared to any lightbearer. Still, no jumpscares pls 😂

[teal plaza]

the hive music kicking in every time made me jam out tho crota's theme is a banger

[timid crater]

yes, this exactly. same slams table

[vital heron]

I’d take em like 20 mins to kill a guardian but the jump scare is still there

[wide zodiac]

Yeah like I say it's all about perpsective. We have power and basicaly cannot die. Charging thrall is a chance to try out our melee ability.

For Mortal Steve, it's 28 Days Later.

[wild jacinth]

I remember being petrified of the thrall in the first few missions of D1

[prime linden]

Personally, destiny 2 is not that scary, mostly mild Jumpscares and atmosphere, only the lore does a job in some parts at being scary but overall scary as a game its not.

[teal plaza]

i find it kinda funny how lore says hive knights' chitin is hardened through centuries of war, and victory so all that fighting to strengthen through sword logic just for me to mag dump them with some blue AR i picked up while leveling

[prime linden]

Reminds me the thousand folded katanas of the Japanese only to be outclassed by superior materials from the west lol

[wide zodiac]

Destiny 2 was not that scary, unless you had the good luck to play the Alien inspired mission or go facr TREV-4, those were both terrifying

[teal plaza]

yh exactly lol

[wide zodiac]

Or unless you read the Lore and know that the 8 foot tall dragon in Last Wish can literaly unmake you

[vital heron]

No shot, how they get folded like lawn chairs

[timid crater]

There were only a few really scary stuff for me on Destiny 2, and I am pretty sure it's one or all those mentioned here 😂 I was that of a wuss to even remember the mission names.

but yeah, D2 in general, not a scary game.

[prime linden]

I mean sure a dragon can anyway unmake you by eating you up.

[teal plaza]

yh i believe its on a grimoire card in destiny 1

[wild jacinth]

We just remake ourselves

[vital heron]

But like, Vestern iron was also folded. That’s how we get wrought iron. They just had worse iron to start with

[teal plaza]

or the aphelion

[vital heron]

Now it starts adding up, d1 was a different time (never played it)

[teal plaza]

oh nah in d1 they got folded too lmao

[wide zodiac]

Time's I gopt scared in D2:

the Alien Inspiried mission where you have Ciatal and Osisis on comms.

The Zero Hour bit with TREv-or specifalty

This one only lore nuts who played Forsaken would have been terrfired by, but: When "Mara" was heard calling Uldren "Oh Brother mine". I swear that my guardian got a 200% haste boost that day

[prime linden]

Yea, personally can't stand the arguments weebs try to make like animes are the real representation of what samurais were, when in reality they would get destroyed by a western mercenary by the equipment alone

[teal plaza]

bro the ahamkara are the scariest and most fascinating parts of destiny

[wild jacinth]

Is that presage??

[prime linden]

Also adorable

[wild jacinth]

Samurai vs 50cal isn’t a fair fight tho

[wide zodiac]

I wanted to slap Wolf when he said that thing in Veridia.

[narrow pecan]

Baby Ahamkara are the cutest. Morgran looks so squishable

[prime linden]

I meant western mercenaries from the same age, not today.

[teal plaza]

fr they got everything

[wide zodiac]

"A war machine to destroy The Cabal? Hah, I wish!"

BRO YOU ARE LIERTALY SURRONUNDED BY AHAMKARA BONES

[vital heron]

Yeah, the japanize managed to get pretty ok weapons from mostly magnetic sand. Still folds like a hive knight

[balmy copper]

LOL

[narrow pecan]

Yeah no Wolf said that and I went "WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT EVEN AROUND A DEAD ONE???"

[wide zodiac]

Man, no wonder the Vnaguard ordered them all hunted, the amount of guardians making casualc wishes in casual conversation would have killed us all long before the Witness ever coyuld

[narrow pecan]

Then I read the lore that the vex structures weren't there last week and just went "Woooooolfffffffff!!!"

[prime linden]

Instead I thought that I was going to get the sweet business to gun down the cabal

[vital heron]

«I wish for a god roll» steals shax’s gun mid match

[wide zodiac]

The Ahamkara might not be pure evil evil depending on who yiou ask, but they do otherwise forfill the evil genine trope of "I WILL corrpt your wish"

[narrow pecan]

Honestly. Only thing keeping Morgran from accidentally wreaking havoc (because he can't help what he is, he needs to eat) is his willingness to abide by the restrictions imposed by Radegast and feed through the hunting grounds instead

[vital heron]

I’d say they just like monkeys pawing for sport

[wide zodiac]

In fact, I think they kinda have to monikey's paw tbh.. Morgren didn't bother deigning where the Super Shank woyuld go, so it went to bother him.

Or at least that's my interpretation

There's always a cost to a wish, and if the Ahamkara isn't careful they will pay it, so they fob it off to someone else

[narrow pecan]

Taranis is an example of an Ahamkara who didn't twist wishes, and instead protected those who made bargains with him, but the trade off was that they were less nourishing. They gave him what he needed and nothing more so he grew far slower than others. At least if I read his lore right. He was an enigma among Ahamkara.

[wide zodiac]

Morgren could have probably sent it to attak Haven in a week to pay off the cost, but intead he just went "Eh, I don't care where it goes" so it messed him up instead.

[vital heron]

It would be a cool raid or smth were a young ahamkara dosent know this and wishes a bunch of times themselves

[narrow pecan]

I actually felt so bad for him, man. And even while literally starving to death, he still abided by the restrictions. Which means he respects Radegast heavily because he was in rough shape because of it and had every reason to break those restrictions to save himself. Instead he came to us for help

[wide zodiac]

Yep, that's why I went out of my way to that quest. Morgren has my respect, he's a real one

[narrow pecan]

They'd die. That's how Taranis died. He granted his own wish.

Would make for some interesting plot though

[vital heron]

I wish there were 50 of me, the first one dies and now you have 48 wishes to use on anything

[wide zodiac]

Unless the other 48 use one to wish the rest of you out of existance because ahamakara are snakes

There is no good way to get a wish out of a Ahamkara. usualy.

[floral fox]

I am new to Destiny itself, any recommendations for learning the lore?

[narrow pecan]

He wished to save his and Riven's clutch. 9 eggs out of the original 49 (the 40 being rhe cursed omelet of the dreaming city) survived and are now under vanguard care, as we made a promise to Riven to protect them. Which means baby Ahamkara raised to have Morgran's manners

[narrow pecan]

Ishtar collective.

[wide zodiac]

ooooh, good question

But yeah, what Fel said tbh, good place

[narrow pecan]

ALL of the lore is kept there and you won't get fluff or theory crafting interspersed in

One of my main gripes with byf

[floral fox]

Thanks guys

[narrow pecan]

No problem!

[bright wren]

I am here for Gwynn / Attal lore

[strange frigate]

Gwynn's truth mission was well emotional

[vital heron]

BYF is good for a general overview of things but just read lore entries on Ishtar. If you’re made of money you can buy the books (each loosely covers one race each)

[bright wren]

@strange frigate yes

[shrewd kestrel]

Hi

[vital heron]

Good day welcome to the dusty section

[patent crag]

According to lore, Kabr have used to "safari" wild Ahamkara with team, Jolder is technically THE champion of Iron Lords and Saladin inspiration figure.

About character that can be put in the game and stayed lore & time accurate you have :

-Shin Malphur
-Lady Efridite
-Sai motta
-Eriana 3
-Dredgen Yor
So many other

[worn zinc]

So reading through the lore for the returning exotics, it looks like all the returning weapons were ones that some group stole from alternate timelines from different parts of the main Destiny timeline

Ie timelines where Amanda never survived the trip to the city and one where Spider was killed by the Queen’s forces

[foggy estuary]

Not sure how I feel about the alt timeline stuff since this virtually fits right into pre D1 lore

Even down to each character having their own super, hell that's more accurate than the games themselves

[worn zinc]

I think a lot of the story beats break too much of Destiny’s pre-city lore to fit in

The entire story kinda contradicts the Iron Lords lore

[jovial ravine]

Good evening, I'm a player from Russia. After completing technical work, I can't download the update because of slow internet speeds or game crashes during the download process. Please help me identify the issue.

[foggy estuary]

Maybe. I'll have to go digging through the grimoire again, but so far I don't see too many discrepancies

[heady hinge]

Jaren Ward descent to Dredgen would be an interesting experience

[foggy estuary]

Wait what about the iron lords does it contradict exactly

[worn zinc]

Most directly, a lot of Lord Radegast’s personality and role is pretty different, with him having an ahamkara (which shouldn’t look like Riven) and moving away from Felwinter’s Peak

[foggy estuary]

Idk exactly the time frame but I think vostok/peak is still under the control of a warlord. I dont believe radegast was ever really fleshed out besides he was the "leader" of the group

[worn zinc]

I’m pretty sure there was a line early on that establishes that Radegast leaves Vostok after finding the Traveller’s location

Also the main Destiny Speaker was known to be around during this point in the timeline

[foggy estuary]

I'll look deeper into it eventually, guess im just so used to D2's garbo i forgot the majority of the supercut

[lament chasm]

I'm pretty sure there is a help channel you can ask someone in

[foggy estuary]

Location wise I dont even ever think we got a clear answer but going from both d1 and d2 the Traveller is situated above central europe ish because it isn't visible over the cosmodrome sky box which is Kazakhstan, and in scourge of the past raid one of the buildings says Schnell on it - German for go

[worn zinc]

there's some lines in Destiny that hint the Traveller/City is located in South America, since Amanda (who's definitely from the Southern US) had to cross the Panama ravine, and she and Hawthorne mention having to "cross the pond" when going between the EDZ and the City

[wraith carbon]

The Last City is in South America

[worn zinc]

i think specifically it's hinted to be Chile

the dialogue mentions about 12,000 miles between Haven and Jiangshi, which would support the idea that Haven is also where the City will be, though the architecture of the Old City makes me wanna say that Rising's Traveller is in Europe.

[hot quest]

can we take a moment to appreciate Attal's VA? like... goddamn

[worn zinc]

Attal being a Arc lightbearer threw me off lol, her design and personality gives very "Solar"

[hot quest]

yeah it was a bit shocking

[foggy estuary]

Strange, because in destiny 1 and 2 the signs in the towers are in English, Portuguese and Chinese. Chaperone's D1 grimiore card made no reference of the Panama ravine either

Wouldn't put it past them that they retconned it

[worn zinc]

I'd assume that they hadn't really decided where to put it at the time, since D1 went through an entire lore rewrite before launch

[foggy estuary]

Of course, and I mean Old Chicago and the EDZ were originally part of the supercut to begin with

Just seems a little convinient none of the playable earth area is south America plus how tf a shard get to the EDZ 😂

[worn zinc]

I think they actually mention that the Fallen don't mess with South America because of parasites lmao

[foggy estuary]

True but what about scourge of the past

[worn zinc]

Scourge was a targetted strike by Kell's Scourge, kinda like the Fallen conducting a raid

[leaden kelp]

it’d be funny if years into this games life cycle they start building “a new tower” or something that eventually becomes the og destiny tower

[strange frigate]

I am in the last city actually im not

[ebon marsh]

Does the game take place in the same universe as destiny 1 and 2?

[obsidian drift]

I thought the whole game was an alternate timeline hence there being some stuff that we have seen before and other stuff we have not?

[ebon marsh]

yeah i think it is too but i have someone in my server telling me its not a diferant timeline and i feel like im beeing lied to lol

[obsidian drift]

"Destiny: Rising delivers a brand-new adventure set in an alternate Destiny timeline, exploring a narrative in the post-Dark Age era. Featuring a diverse roster of characters, each with unique abilities and stories, Destiny: Rising offers players dynamic and challenging single, co-op, and competitive multiplayer gameplay, including beloved game modes familiar to Destiny players, and all-new modes that introduce new ways to play Destiny."

[ebon marsh]

and my thaught exactly the travelers speaker is a little girl in this universe whereas in d1 and d2 its a full grown man

gotta wait for a dev or someone official to clerify this for us all

[obsidian drift]

That thing I posted was from the games website.

[wraith carbon]

It's several hundred years before when D1 or D2 would've taken place.
It's an alternate timeline set just after the dark ages. The Speaker in D1/D2 was mortal.
As ninjapikkles posted, the official copy for the game directly states it's an alternate timeline.
There's also quests and other in-game lore, such as exotic lore tabs, that talk about it being an alternate timeline.

[worn zinc]

It would be funny if we got an Elsie Bray cameo at some point considering she hopped a LOT of timelines before coming to the main Destiny timeline

[wraith carbon]

I imagine if she ever becomes a limited character, like there's demand for, her character quest will be all about that

[worn zinc]

Only thing is that she doesn’t have a ghost and she can’t really get one if they wanna make her the Elsie that eventually makes her way to the main timeline

[drifting tide]

is wu ming canonically a chinese texan

[wraith carbon]

Yup, that's definitely something that would need to be figured out.
There's also demand for characters like Sjur Eido, who is just fully mortal. Doesn't even have a fun little fish.

[worn zinc]

At least for Sjur Eido the decision to make her a lightbearer can be contained to this timeline

[wraith carbon]

That would make stuff with Mara very interesting

[foggy estuary]

Part of me thinks its a translation error frankly. That page stating its an alternative timeline doesn't actually exist on the Chinese site so I can't see what the word would be that they use in that area, but I tried the translation myself and there doesn't seem to be a direct one

In truth though destiny 2 already retconned some things well established so I dont care either way

[worn zinc]

the developer preview also directly states an alternate timeline

[foggy estuary]

Ok

[worn zinc]

ultimately Rising contradicts wayy too much lore to ever really consider any of it canon, and i don't think Netease or Bungie want eachother touching their timelines too much anyway

They did this in Rivals too, with pretty much every version of the characters available being their own variant

[foggy estuary]

I'm still cheesed about a particular controversial retcon in d2 so

Marvel already had like 50 timelines for each character to go off of to be fair but yea

[worn zinc]

i'm not sure what retcon you're talking about but Destiny also established multiple timelines with the Paraverse

[foggy estuary]

Saint 14 and Osiris...

Was platonic until after beyond light ish

Then they started writing basically entire seasons about their romance and I just dont gaf

[worn zinc]

i feel like that's more a writing issue than the retcon itself imo

i feel like it makes sense for Osiris & Saint to be a couple considering Osiris literally broke space/time for Saint and Destiny's always been pretty prominent with queer rep in the series

[foggy estuary]

True, the writers have been asleep at the wheel for a while, but the retcon is particularly egregious because they were battle brothers - Osiris didn't get all lovey dovey when we found s14's grave in dialogue, then all of a sudden later on he's like omg can't live without u like bruh

Yah but that rep only came after the newer writers was hired - conveniently when that aspect of the charscter was introduced

[worn zinc]

i mean the rep was there for a long time, Mara has been canonically bi for a long time

[foggy estuary]

Never made any mention of romance during the sundial stuff either, was before that time

Mara yes, devrim yea

Saint and Osiris? No

[worn zinc]

rn i'd assume they just have their VAs available for whatever reason

like how Ana suddenly got a lot of content after they recast her va with someone more available

[foggy estuary]

Yea

They recast ikora like 3 times now

I didn't check but I stg arent they using savathun's VA for ikora now?

Not in rising in d2 that is

[worn zinc]

I think that specifically was because of the voice actor strike

didn't want a repeat of season of the Deep where some characters straight up had unvoiced dialogue

[foggy estuary]

I haven't played in a bit because I'm essentially convinced d2 is cooked and has been for a bit, but ultimately it was pretty funnny

True

Like bruh they adding plaguelands back. Who asked???

[worn zinc]

plaguelands without the plague
Lands

[foggy estuary]

We want new content not recycled stuff 24/7

Frrrrrr

Net ease paid 100 million dollars for the license and is probably paying additionally in royalties. Bungie isn't publicly traded but Sony is so their next quarterly report will be interesting i think because if Sony determines they make more money off of those said royalties than D2 itself, there ain't much point in keeping bungie around

[deft atlas]

They need to do the event where the iron lords get stuck with Siva to finish the game

[worn zinc]

has anyone managed to unlock Gwynn's "Meeting Attal" entry? Hasn't unlocked for me

[drowsy abyss]

She could be one who wields the Darkness (Ie. Stasis) as that doesn't require a Ghost. But we could also get Anastasia Bray, who is a Lightbearer.

[kindred sleet]

Just level up gwynn

Her super weapons lv etc itll unlock eventually

[worn zinc]

this specific entry requires me to complete Attal's Haunting in Haven quest but I've already finished her and Gwynn's entire Journey

[spring violet]

bro harrow is such a corn ball character

[wide zodiac]

Just did Kabr's questline and... Goddammit Kabr

Did noone ever teach you to confirm target before you started shooting

[drowsy abyss]

Any idea why I can't access the diary or journey tabs for Wolf?

[hidden surge]

Will they have more raids? I hope they do similar expansion style releases like destiny with more story, strikes and raids, minus the 80 dollar pricetag

The hive are really cool I'd like a story about them, or the vex

[tawdry tree]

We are naturally getting more raids

[tawdry tree]

We have already seen and witnessed his journey

[deft atlas]

The IR anuke (cant spell crotas sister) and the main hive misson was amazing, and the vex misson, they was they best

[short scroll]

yall dont be skipping the cutscenes?

[median ether]

wait so if there's mythic charas... are there exotic charas? /j

[sullen solstice]

Osiris is probably exotic class

[strange frigate]

Not yet but perhaps at some point

[bitter latch]

A question, who's the voice that was calling for harrow in the after credits scene?

[upbeat kiln]

They really named that dude “Kyle”

[upbeat kiln]

osiris and saint

[bright wren]

don't trust a Kyle

[upbeat kiln]

i literally laughed so hard when gwynn said his name

[bright wren]

Me tooooo! I took a screenshot and had to share it without context in another discord server I lurk in.

I finally got the Crowther & Fans text today and am dying

[strange frigate]

I like kyle he was Great writen

[upbeat kiln]

yeah, honestly i think the best writing has come from all the character quests

[wide zodiac]

Hey we are perfectly trustworthy in real life! But definatyely don't trust any fictional kyle

[foggy estuary]

When shaxx pulls up as a playable character in game i dont think im using anyone else

[torn dove]

I wonder if taniks will show up

[foggy estuary]

Taniks has no house. He kneels before no banner - owes allegiance to no Kell. He is a murderer, and very good at what he does.

[torn dove]

I got a question destiny rising timeline is like way before the reef wars

[strange frigate]

... You know i wanna disagree but i cant

[bright wren]

it's an alternate timeline and I don't remember the amount of time between the Reef Wars and the Last City

[strange frigate]

When the eliksni woman turns into a guardian i main her

[torn dove]

Fair enough would be interesting if we encounter pre-scorn fikrul

[foggy estuary]

they say the timeline is alternative but ultimately there are some parallels and to an extent the reef wars went on for a while even in the main game. Twilight Gap hasn't happened yet but it happens concurrently with that

[bright wren]

I almost feel like it's a Vex simulation because I see packs of Gwynns and Tan-2s running around everywhere

[wide zodiac]

...You know, I was wondering: Do we even know if the Awoken EXIST in this universe? Only person I've seen who might be an Awoken is Skorri, and considering Skorri's persobnality, i WOULD in fact beleive she painted her skin blue for the sake of expression.l

[lament chasm]

Umeko (who isn't in the full game yet) is an awoken

[foggy estuary]

That would imply the Vex have better rolls unfortunately

[strange frigate]

Look all we know is that destiny takes place sometime after the year 2170 aka the golden age which is a legit year give in a quest

[lament chasm]

Also she is a void hunter

[wide zodiac]

Fair enough, I can only go on what I've seen in game so far so did not know that

[torn dove]

I like to imagine future story update will be us making first contact with the reef and probably helping the awoken against the wolves

[foggy estuary]

Plus if the awoken didn't exist then the reef wouldn't and we'd be cooked by house of wolves come twilight gap

[lament chasm]

If the event of Destiny happened in IRL which timeline would you think would happen

[strange frigate]

Well idk

[torn dove]

I wonder how rising will incorporate the witness and the taken

[wide zodiac]

Well, for starters, in real life I don't think even a golden age is gonna fix things like racism, so probably the one where we all die in the Collapse because Savathun's loyazl this timeline.

[lament chasm]

Probably will barely mention the witness

[strange frigate]

Hopefully i become ascendant i mean a totally Nice guardian yees

[lament chasm]

But this is an AU so I can see an appearance of the taken

[foggy estuary]

It probably won't, both of those are light/dark saga concepts and way ahead of this time anyway

[torn dove]

That would be bad if we grab oryx attention early before last city is established

[strange frigate]

Wouldnt it be funny if we killed xivu much much earlier in rising

[lament chasm]

Speaking of Hive stuff, is there any mention of Eris Morn before she lost her ghost in rising

[bright wren]

no Eris yet from what I've seen

[wide zodiac]

Of course, if I was feeling optomistic about our species coming together in the travlerl's light and whatnot, and we assume things go the same up to the city age... I think the Endless Night gets us

[bright wren]

but I'm also not an alpha/beta player

[foggy estuary]

That i can see. Her fireteam got cooked when they went into the hellmouth - but even this is kinda much in the future

[torn dove]

I hope we’ll get warlord antagonists in future updates

[lament chasm]

Yeah

Maybe we'll get a Moon campaign and Eris Morn will be playable

[bright wren]

that's because Gwynn didn't exist there... she's accidentally got that Sword Logic

[lament chasm]

In the future obviously

[strange frigate]

Yes but we have something main destiny doesn't have which is this form lol

[lament chasm]

Oh yeah

[bright wren]

ultimate Gundam form

[strange frigate]

When gwynn gonna get one

[lament chasm]

I've seen some theories that we'll get that form for wolf as a separate pull but I don't see rn

[strange frigate]

When we getting master character quests

[strange frigate]

Perhaps it be a exotic wolf

[foggy estuary]

Yeah I mean officially speaking Praedyth has already been mentioned and by proxy Pahanin, but obviously since Kabr is a playable character he can't be killed off which is much before hellmouth attempts im p sure

[torn dove]

I hope we meet toland and see him go tin foil hat on wolf

[foggy estuary]

Spinfoil hat*

[lament chasm]

I mean with the vex simulation theory if they kill Kabr off more clones will just take his place

[bright wren]

Kabr spawns more clones than Ning Fei because of the Vex now... lol

[lament chasm]

I noticed the sentinel's face is very similar to an exo

[strange frigate]

If toland heard about what gwynn did he be all like "no no no! You were supposed to ascend why did you kill that hive wizard you utter bombling fool!"

[harsh cedar]

Anyone else went "oh snap... ." at seeing the vex having a proper pressnces on earth?

[strange frigate]

Looks like bray

[foggy estuary]

Perhaps but if they ever even bother divulging the timeline differentiation they'll more likely use the idea that this particular timeline is one Elisabeth Bray saw was inevitably gonna get cooked

[lament chasm]

I just thought "oh cool"

[bright wren]

all she knows is ripping and tearing until it is done

[harsh cedar]

I thought about how doomed earth is in this timeline

[strange frigate]

Yeah true

[lament chasm]

Ikr

We've seen Osiris in DR

[harsh cedar]

Like bro it is a actual Vex terra forming pressnces on earth' thats not good when you see what they did to mercury

[harsh cedar]

yee and nice

[lament chasm]

Imagine he is just trying to warn us that we're all doomed

[strange frigate]

Eh seen is kinda to much we blurred osiris

[harsh cedar]

likly yeah given even Radaghast did't want us go chasing the hive

[bright wren]

maybe they didn't want the general public to know because they'd get all weird like Drifter

[lament chasm]

Radagast is so dumb in the campaign ngl

[harsh cedar]

true, bro had a falling out with Saladin

[foggy estuary]

The Vex arent fully fleshed out even in the main game, but they've been hinted that they basically are trying to stop us from messing stuff up - i can't remember many details other than this is why they arent always hostile because the stuff that is supposed to happen they will directly let happen - and also why they didn't initially target people like Lodi. Them being on earth suggests something is already cooked

[strange frigate]

I dont trust the bar keeper he seem to human

[worn zinc]

i think it's implied that basically all timelines except for the main one messed up

[lament chasm]

I just imagine we'll get to play as Radagast and Saladin far in the future

[bright wren]

all the AI voices point to this being siiiiimulaaaaatedddd

[strange frigate]

You think the world of destiny rising could survive until they reach the time of d1

[worn zinc]

since the lore tabs for the returning exotics also mention a lot of key characters are dead in other timelines, with Amanda and Spider being dead in certain timelines

[lament chasm]

I'm convinced everyone who sounds like AI just had too much vex milk in their cereal

[foggy estuary]

Yea, its been mentioned almost directly im pretty sure. The Vex are somewhat a wrench in the whole ordeal until they give us a proper explanation of their intent

[harsh cedar]

yeah, also lowky i hate Harrow.... and i just met her

[bright wren]

how harrowing an experience it was to meet Harrow

[lament chasm]

Harrow legit thinks the vex will help when the vex fricking attack wolf

[harsh cedar]

bro for real?!!!! and she already like "ugh you won't understand why i abadoned the people who electected me as their leader"

[worn zinc]

this timeline might make it to the city age but with how weak the lightbearers of this timeline seem to be i don't think we're making it past the Great Disaster

[harsh cedar]

perhaps

[lament chasm]

Eh I mean Wolf is technically a Guardian now so maybe we have a chance

[bright wren]

a .01% chance is still a chance

[lament chasm]

If other lightbearers become full blown guardians like wolf

[worn zinc]

i mean Wolf is only a guardian by name and if Kabr doesn't get his butt in the Vault of Glass the vex are gonna end us real fast

[torn dove]

Were cooked we got the sand eaters established on earth, house of devils doing their thing, hidden swarm prepping and the friggin vex which is always a bad sign

We haven’t even seen the house of kings or the other scout legions

[worn zinc]

also we have no idea what the Awoken are up to

[torn dove]

And a potential full strenght house of wolves

[strange frigate]

Plot twist uldren is already a guardian

[lament chasm]

I bet gwyn could handle the hive situation singlehandedly

[foggy estuary]

Technically was true in the supercut

[torn dove]

She did use sword logic against that wizard right?

[worn zinc]

Gwynn seems to be more interested in fighting lighbearers

[bright wren]

Ms. Accidentally has Sword Logic would absolutely slay

[lament chasm]

The only awoken we have is Umeko (I'm not counting that freaky lady) who isnt even in the game yet

[strange frigate]

Hmm idk maybe

[worn zinc]

she rejected the sword logic

[bright wren]

she got pumped full of it for a minute

[torn dove]

Oh yeah there’s Clovis too wonder what he up too since Europa should be free of anything since no salvation

[worn zinc]

also we already made Crota mad

[strange frigate]

Did she?

[torn dove]

Can’t wait for Crota earlier end

[strange frigate]

Crota poor guy

[bright wren]

when she pairs up with Ikora, her dialogue is "What do you know of Sword Logic?" or something

[torn dove]

Uh oh

[lament chasm]

We made crota mad before we traveled to the moon XD

[strange frigate]

Maybe we get to do the thousand guardians vs crota moment

[torn dove]

Excision mission

[worn zinc]

1,000 babies vs 1 adult

[bright wren]

Crota is the gorilla in that experiment

[strange frigate]

More like hippo

[torn dove]

That assuming crota isn’t bringing his other top dogs like omnigul and sardok

[narrow pendant]

The thousandth guardian forcing him to his throne world 😭

[torn dove]

Would it be funny if one of the cabal legions were on the moon say like skyburners

[bright wren]

Has anyone started a wiki with all the voiceover lines from the playable characters yet?

[worn zinc]

it looks like Destinypedia is starting to add Rising-specific pages

there's already one for the Hidden Swarm

[torn dove]

I realized rising hidden swarm colors are grey not red wonder why

[bright wren]

I think it depends on the Hive brood

[lament chasm]

If the moon isn't the first place we travel outside of earth then we'll probably go to venus

[worn zinc]

i might start writing up the pages for Rising as I find them

[torn dove]

I check the hidden swarm page who tf is Iltaurus, the Pillager

[worn zinc]

maybe some boss from one of the missions?

[bright wren]

blehhh I haven't played D2 in over a year so I am missing some lore

[foggy estuary]

Don't worry you haven't missed much

[torn dove]

I played d2 until witch queen

[foggy estuary]

Games been in shambles for a while

[torn dove]

I kept up with the lore through byf until heresy

[bright wren]

I stopped playing when they were doing mass layoffs

[foggy estuary]

Witch Queen was pretty good, Lightfall was dogwater - originally lightfall was supposed to be the final dlc

[strange frigate]

Imagine if he arrived

[worn zinc]

technically Final Shjape was what lightfall was originally

[foggy estuary]

Yes

[strange frigate]

Beyond light was kinda boring and frankly the worst 2020 dlc

[foggy estuary]

My spinfoil hat tells me lightfall and Final Shape were originally one DLC. Root of Nightmares was borderline dungeon easy

[foggy estuary]

I liked the raid but yea it was mid

[strange frigate]

I done zero raid

[torn dove]

Can’t wait if he speak English there should be a gag where taniks will get progressively angrier every repeat encounter

[strange frigate]

Lol

[bright wren]

incoherent screaming

[foggy estuary]

When I say dungeon easy its not that i dislike easy mechanics its just it seemed like it was modified for 6 people

[lament chasm]

The traveler is dormant in DR right? Does that mean the black heart exists at this moment?

[foggy estuary]

Some are good some are eh

[lament chasm]

I've only done the deep stone crypt raid

[strange frigate]

What if wolf is the creator behind gjallahorn

[lament chasm]

That would be cool

[strange frigate]

Indeed i love that but i love it more if he created exotic swords

[torn dove]

I did vow, kings fall, vog, deep stone

[bright wren]

I just wanna see where murderhobo Gwynn goes, and if she gets tempted by more power or something

[lament chasm]

Also if it does exist will the exo stranger ever show up

[foggy estuary]

Possibly, but either way it wasn't explained very well and the whole Veil stuff is still rough in my head, i just remember the black heart was essentially retconned in lightfall as a failed Veil replication

[torn dove]

Yep

Where there’s vex Elsie gonna follow

[foggy estuary]

Those are the good ones, also I liked scourge and eater of worlds

And gambit of salvation

[torn dove]

Omg imagine playable banshee with lament

[bright wren]

less braindead Banshee ftw

[wide zodiac]

Oh right yeah we wished the Vex onto earth bro we are cooked

[lament chasm]

I just realized that

The vex are here cuz of harrow so she screwed us all

[strange frigate]

Imagine crota becoming a guardian in rising

[torn dove]

Hahhhah

[wide zodiac]

I mean to be fair, Harrow makes it very clear she didn't wanna do ANYTHING

[torn dove]

I mean more loot for us

[lament chasm]

Witch Queen except it's Crota

And in the early city age

[wide zodiac]

She just heard a earpeicing voice in her head and whoops now the vex are here because she granted his wish

[lament chasm]

Ik

[wide zodiac]

So the Dead Ahamkara is to blame, and also probably not as dead as we'd like

[strange frigate]

Yees

[foggy estuary]

Yea dead ones persist

[lament chasm]

Imagine someone wishes Harrow doesn't exist and she phases out of existence

[torn dove]

Hefnd

[lament chasm]

And she accidentally grants that wish

[worn zinc]

i hope we get Shin Malphur as a character tbh

[foggy estuary]

Think that's almost a definite

[worn zinc]

it'd probably be either him or Ana for giving us a Golden Gun super

[foggy estuary]

Character quest would be you going to cook dredgen yor

Nah defo shin im pretty sure its like canonically his

[worn zinc]

yeah but then the whole relic system becomes weird since his golden gun is literally his gun

I'd say Ana since her GG canonically leaves pools of light which would be a good mechanic

[foggy estuary]

Don't think it would be an issue considering The Last Word is what his gun actually is - but in d1 it uses that model to begin with and in 2 the rapid fire one is that model also - 3 shot is hawkmoon iirc

[torn dove]

Dredgen should be the villain

[worn zinc]

Its more that the confusion of the relic usually not being tied to what primary weapon they use in gameplay

And they can’t really lock us into using TLW

Unless they pull a Kabr and make us use an auto rifle or smtn and TLW be our ability

[foggy estuary]

I get you yea but I think since its clear the abilities are a lot more unique in game his relic could be the abilities like a fan fire or something

[worn zinc]

Even Ikora has a relic for whatever reason

[lament chasm]

I have no idea about what Ikora's relic is

[worn zinc]

Also it says she was revived in North Africa for some reason? Weird since she died in the US

[foggy estuary]

Yea idk. That should be the same since she died in like the 70's lmao

[lament chasm]

Alternate Universe side effect or something

[foggy estuary]

Still laughed when u first got revived and Wolf magically got his armor

[lament chasm]

Has anyone completed Tan-2's questline yet? I completed it in the Alpha but forgot pretty much everything except that Yannick-11 is part of Tan-2's brain or something

[foggy estuary]

Complete with Lord decals and everything like what

Yea goofy ahh relic had warlord brain in it and when he picked it up it interfaced with him cuz he also exo

[lament chasm]

Oh yeah lol

Then Yannick-11 tries to take over Tan-2 completely or something

[foggy estuary]

Well it was more cuz he was fed up with how long he was taking to kill blokes so he took over to start clapping em

[lament chasm]

Ik about that I'm saying that throughout the questline he tries to basically remove Tan-2's frickin soul or something so he can be a warlord again

[dusky laurel]

yeah he does

[bright wren]

does this give murdergod Gwynn license to kill?

[lament chasm]

Idk XD

[foggy estuary]

First banner being a goth mommy is still wild to me

[lament chasm]

Ok I remember now I think it backfires on Yannick-11 so he "dies" before coming back somehow and getting along with Tan-2 so I guess they are just stuck together

[worn zinc]

Gwynn and Attal's relationships pretty cute ngl

[bright wren]

they knew what they were doing with hot goth mommy and whales

[lament chasm]

Their dynamic is funny too lol

[dusky laurel]

Yannick-11 tries to delete tan2 soul to takeover his body but his ghost stops it, then tan2 decides not to delete yannick and yannick has to “sacrifice” himself to save tan2 in the end. but it turns out tan2 goes back and recovers yannicks files

[lament chasm]

Only a matter of time before people start shipping them ._.

[worn zinc]

i mean, like, the game does that already

[lament chasm]

Yeah i finished it in the alpha but I just started it in the full game

[foggy estuary]

Mfw they add dual wielding back which bungo didnt do since the goat halo 3

[bright wren]

yeah, like first there's Gwynn's loving caress and then there's the amused lurking and watching Attal try to teach Elliksni

[worn zinc]

like there's actually no way they're NOT a couple, even Gwynn's ghost talks about how he wants Gwynn to break up with Attal or smtn

[bright wren]

he even hangs up on her

[lament chasm]

I haven't done the full questline for gwynn (only the intro mission) so I wouldn't know lol

[bright wren]

do it asap

the text messages are a riot

[lament chasm]

I need to get gwynn first

I'm close to a guaranteed gwynn pull so I should get her within the next week

[worn zinc]

One of the messages you can get from Attal is her asking you relationship advice

[bright wren]

be sure to do Attal too

[lament chasm]

._.

[worn zinc]

You need to do Attal’s quest to get all of Gwynn’s diary, though I think mine’s bugged

[torn dove]

I mean gywn literally murdered a hive wizard to save Attal in her quest

[bright wren]

also I swear Gwynn mentions breasts when they're in a fireteam together

[strange frigate]

When crota and gwynn in her totally upcoming sentinel form clash

[worn zinc]

They give Wei Ning and Eriana vibes

[lament chasm]

Luckily I have attal I just wish she was as good as gwynn

[worn zinc]

Also Attal seems to be a REALLY bad cook

[bright wren]

Attal is great if you're in a fireteam and your dumb friend is dying a ways away

[lament chasm]

Do hand cannons feel weird in DR for any of you guys? They do for me

[strange frigate]

Attal just to pacifistic to be powerful

[lament chasm]

I mean solo she is meh

[torn dove]

I don’t like the feel you gotta use aim to make it bearable

[worn zinc]

Hand cannons don’t do the damage they should imo

[lament chasm]

Now Gwynn and Attal together you can probably 2 man a raid

[lament chasm]

Ikr they hit like a noodle

[worn zinc]

Also I love how Attal’s default pairing bonus sets to Gwynn

[bright wren]

it's not the other way around 💀

[strange frigate]

Gwynn and attal should do the fusion dance and 1v the entire hive

[worn zinc]

Or wait it might be

wait yeah Gwynn's bonus is Attal and Attal's is Kabr (?)

[lament chasm]

I also realized that people were stuck in the ascendent plane with attal. Did gwynn just abandon them and forget about them?

[worn zinc]

Gwynn had some tunnel vision ig

[lament chasm]

Those people are gonna be stuck in the ascendent plane forever

[strange frigate]

Hmm they probably dead

[worn zinc]

now if only the game unlocks these two lore books, already completed both their quests

[foggy estuary]

Is that not tied to proficiency?

[lament chasm]

Gwynn, Attal, and Probably Estela (when her banner comes) would 3 man a raid in 10 minutes prob

[worn zinc]

no these two are tied to Gwynn and Attal's character quests

[foggy estuary]

O

Maybe this game will finally reveal if Shaxx did in fact crack Mara or not

[strange frigate]

What if tan Split into 2 People

[lament chasm]

Probably a future questline

Maybe he finds a way to import Yannick's mind into a new exo frame or something

[strange frigate]

That be Great

[lament chasm]

Then we would maybe get a new lightbearer

[strange frigate]

So we gonna kill the voice harrow heard when the campaign starts again right

[lament chasm]

Only thing Yannick would need a different relic

[strange frigate]

Easy sword whip

[wide zodiac]

Yannik is kinda a monster though? Unless he becomes more chill in the plot we should NOT be giving him a body

[lament chasm]

Why can't we just go to Harrow and wish that she phases out of this timeline so she doesn't accidentally summon the witness or something

[bright pier]

Is there anywhere to look at artwork, like the vex? Or any of the brutalist artwork, etc

[foggy estuary]

Yea but u have to be resurrected or have a ghost transfer to you like shin to be one and there ain't any guarantee Yannick would

[lament chasm]

Well he seems a bit more chill after Tan-2's character quest line

[strange frigate]

Idk but we cant lol

[worn zinc]

oh damn someone on Destinypedia's really putting a lot of work into adding Rising MIND entries

[lament chasm]

Maybe we should just give harrow noise cancelling headphones so she doesn't accidentally grant more wishes

[strange frigate]

Lmao sure why not

[tawdry tree]

Byf is currently playing destiny rising LIVE

[wide zodiac]

I don't think it's the kind of whispers that get canceled out by noise cancelning headphones, sadly.

[lament chasm]

Maybe we should just send her into a cave of hive and see what happens

[foggy estuary]

Wasn't suros regime confirmed to be coming

[wide zodiac]

...You know, if we send her to a hive and have them make a wish, maybe that'd work in our favor. Like they wish for crota to rule earth and he suddeny has a change of heart

[lament chasm]

Assuming they even know that she can grant wishes

[foggy estuary]

Who did the soundtrack cuz its goated

Like Salvatori level

[wide zodiac]

We just need to send them to a hive captain smart enough to know how to wish, but dumb enough to DO it.

[lament chasm]

Ikr

[lament chasm]

My favorite ost is in the final campaign mission with the D1 theme

[foggy estuary]

I haven't beat it yet

[lament chasm]

They reference that theme so much and their renditions are really nice to listen to

[foggy estuary]

Well in truth almost all of destiny's soundtrack use the motifs from the d1 theme - but yea

[worn zinc]

the main composer is Rotem Moav, but apparently Salvatori was involved in it, same with Casey Edwards, the guy behind the DMC5 soundtrack

[foggy estuary]

Ah ok

[wide zodiac]

Hearing the music guys came back for it was what got me into the game

[foggy estuary]

Still think they should try and get Yuka Kitamura to do some destiny work.. she's the lady who did DS2, Bloodborne and some of DS3

[lament chasm]

Wonder when we'll get Zavala and Cayde and what their abilities will be

[foggy estuary]

Part of me thinks giving Jolder Ward of Dawn is somewhat problematic because this is kind of Saint-14's super - i figured they'd give Jolder Sentinel instead

Fits more with her kit to begin with, but whatever

I suppose Sentinel is just discount VoG relic and frankly always has been so they dont wanna cross conflict with Kabr

[elder burrow]

in addition to this, I hope that when we get The Last Word we'll get their iteration of Shin Malphur, one can hope 🙏

[foggy estuary]

I just hope Nathan is available to voice him again cuz low key im sick of nolanbot and nolan cayde

[bright wren]

did we ever get all the lore for the scientists in Venus? don't mind my rotting brainmeats that refuse to retain info...

[foggy estuary]

Ishtar collective? I think there's been bits and pieces there yea

[bright wren]

weren't there some stuck in a simulation?

[foggy estuary]

That I couldn't tell you but depending on if you remember if you heard it from D1 or D2 i may be able to find out

[storm coral]

say if i spend my tokens im saving up for the sword, would i be back to square one, or would i be fine?

[bright wren]

that's the problem, I can't remember... lol

[foggy estuary]

I doubt it was 1 unless it was in grimiore since the story was well

[bright wren]

I think it might have had crumbs in the grimoire

[foggy estuary]

You know, but even in d2 since Venus ain't a thing I dont remember

I still think the "content vault" is one of the worst things to happen to destiny

[worn zinc]

i really wish i could copy+paste these lore entries rn, I'm transcribing some of the MIND entries into Destinypedia rn

[foggy estuary]

If u have an android im pretty sure u can take a pic that transcribes text

[bright wren]

oh damn, the Maya Sundaresh closure came out when I stopped playing D2

[worn zinc]

i just have the game open on one monitor and the wiki on another

[foggy estuary]

True

[bright wren]

all my play time is at work and I'm afraid my phone would die if I tried to tab out and write fireteam lobby dialogue in Destinypedia

[foggy estuary]

Mfw destiny 1 has just about the same amount of playable strikes as 2 except d1 was only around for 3 years and 2 was a whole 8

I wish I was joking

[bright wren]

I know you're not

[foggy estuary]

A Chinese destiny being direct competition to destiny 2 is still a wild bingo card space ngl

[bright wren]

D1 didn't know how to execute its ideas and D2 clearly wanted to be gacha

[foggy estuary]

Im not sure how familiar you are with the background of d1 but its evident that Activison, for all of their faults, kept Destiny 1's content cycle afloat, and for a bit in d2. When they broke off, originally we thought, oh good free from the evil activision - bungie was entirely to blame. D2's release date was still relatively early into the 8th gen's lifecycle and as a result we got a combination of the worst monetization schemes throughout the years PLUS paid expansions

[bright wren]

I do remember Bungle had to scavenge what was left due to incompetent leadership

[foggy estuary]

Yes. Its been that way for a while but at least they had to answer to Activision or risk being dissolved. The infamous presentation about Underdelivery is still a funny read and it highlights exactly what is wrong with those execs. Sony should have instantly deleted Pete from the picture and purged the idiotic remnants, but im afraid after the marathon fiasco and what d2 has become, its a little late

[bright wren]

all Marathon has going for it is a fascinating art direction

[worn zinc]

which ended up being plagiarized

[bright wren]

this is like the dark ages of videogames again, jeez...

[foggy estuary]

I didnt really even find it that interesting tbh. It looked ugly but not in a Cruelty Squad ugly where the ugliness is intentional, it just looked lazy-ugly. And clearly that was the case cuz the art style literally ripped off pieces

[worn zinc]

i thought the style was neat, but didn't really fit the original vision Marathon had

[bright wren]

I think this Marathon is just the result of some suits looking at TF2 and OW and being like yeah, this here's a banger, which IP can we slap onto it?

[foggy estuary]

The game would have probably died even if it launched. $40 bucks for an extraction shooter is crazy but also it would have shed the majority of its audience within weeks once people realized the gameplay loop consisted of getting railed by tryhards 24/7, and with no other game mode it would habe flopped and the devs were saying that for a while

[bright wren]

I think Destiny should have more spinoffs so we could have some sort of extremely lore-heavy stuff.

[foggy estuary]

In my opinion TF2 is much better than OW primarily because its not sweaty but also the characters are primarily an archetype and not a set character like OW. In that sense Marathon and Destiny for that matter were more TF2 ish but besides minute differences in mobility, recovery and resilience (now gone anyway for some reason) the core difference were abilities and supers - of which marathon had anyway. So what target audience was marathon for, i stil don't know

[lament chasm]

I just thought it look interesting. Not good, but interesting. Then it turned out to be plagerized

[foggy estuary]

In my opinion Marathon was a stupid idea to begin with. Resurrecting a decades old IP only to make it an extraction shooter is wild - not even mentioning the fact that the product that was supposed to be sold had a dubious target audience - what did it offer than destiny 2 didnt already offer?

[lament chasm]

They should've used "Plagiarism will make me sued"

[foggy estuary]

Plagiarism will make me god

[lusty talon]

haha

[bright wren]

plagiarism just means you're budget AI now

absolutely worthless 🫠

[worn zinc]

I think they assumed that Destiny wouldn’t be able to last forever so they wanted to branch out, ironically killing Destiny

[lament chasm]

Plagiarism will make me cancelled

[bright wren]

they could have made a FF 6-styled Destiny and I would have played it for the lore

[worn zinc]

Truly the only game that can kill Destiny, is Destiny

[foggy estuary]

Real

The other lawsuit besides the plagiarism one is about Red War content. Someone claimed bungie used his storytelling or something - they could have easily struck it down, but since they literally couldn't show the court that content anymore it came back to haunt them 💀 (they absolutely can add that old stuff back, they just lazy)

[lament chasm]

Bungie is the only company I know that could kill a hyped up game in its prealpha stage

[bright wren]

how the mighty have fallen

[lament chasm]

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually stole it tbh

Maybe that is why they vaulted it so they couldn't get evidence of it being stolen

[bright wren]

welp, time for me to sleep and get retraumatized by AI voices from this game

[foggy estuary]

True, especially after the marathon fiasco. Ultimately bungie hasn't been the same since like Reach. Only 1 transferred to 343 so for a few years Bungie was the same. Staten leaving in 2013 was the biggest red flag to this date but nobody knew it back then.

[lament chasm]

Lol just should've just hired random people from the community to replace the AI va for the background characters lol

[worn zinc]

they gotta get real vas for the public events i ain't trying to listen to that all the time

[bright wren]

even I, a person who records in a closet and still have at least 40k people watching my friend's stuff can sound better than that AI

[lament chasm]

Lol people are probably gonna upload all the cutscenes to yt and dub over the ai voicelines

At least there aren't characters without voicelines at all

[worn zinc]

honestly sometimes i'd rather just read the dialogue than deal with the AI

[bright wren]

idk which is worse tho... peoples' inability to read or the cacaphony assaulting my ears

[lament chasm]

In the beta Finnala just spoke in villager during the cutscenes

[worn zinc]

some quests still have some characters just grunt

[bright wren]

Hey, Master Chief grunted a lot and was popular

[lament chasm]

But the funny thing is they sometimes had her use AI voicelines so it was very inconsistent

[bright wren]

that's so badddd ughhhhhh

[worn zinc]

genuinely i'd rather just them make the lines unvoiced

like whats the point of making ambient Haven resident dialogue if all of them are AI

[bright wren]

I'd rather have the Minecraft Villager mumbles

[foggy estuary]

Idk if it was intentional, but just for the record "Iron Bar" was the name of the group Jason Jones gave his team that ripped the supercut apart.

[bright wren]

I feel like it was

[worn zinc]

honestly Iron Bar's just a strange name for PvP

[bright wren]

they even namedropped Todd McFarlane

[foggy estuary]

I wouldn't be surprised if jones was majority responsible for the disaster that almost hit Halo 2 - funny, since he took a hiatus for my goat halo 3

Does Rising use the Tiger engine as well?

[worn zinc]

I don’t think it does, probably the same one as Diablo Immortal

The game doesn’t really have that “feeling” Tiger engine does

[bright wren]

I wonder if they listed the engine in the credits, but now I really do have to sleep 🫠

[foggy estuary]

True, though I dont think Destiny felt like it either besides the goofy ahh player collisions

[worn zinc]

And I doubt they would want to use a proprietary engine they don’t own

[bright wren]

ciao peeps

[foggy estuary]

The spaghetti code of Tiger is probably illegible to begin with at this point, but somehow 343 got away with taking -blam- forward so they could have made that deal in the license but idk

Only reason I even ask is because if it was on Tiger it would be particularly funny since they did nearly everything bungie said they couldn't do

[worn zinc]

Anyway, back to the lore.

It’s interesting to see that this timeline’s lightbearers don’t seem to have much in the way of long-distance travel yet

[foggy estuary]

I guess I should have realized Tiger is inherently a product of x86 so I guess its not fit for mobile to begin with

[pine wigeon]

Is the story of destiny Rising over or is there more to come?

[worn zinc]

Ongoing still, the Red Sea lore section says that the area is still WIP

[prime linden]

Your asking on what engine the game is on? I saw that it was on a custom netease engine, maybe tiger idk.

[foggy estuary]

Ignore it, i somewhat realized it can't be Tiger i dont think

[pine wigeon]

[worn zinc]

I’m gonna assume the next major story arc will deal with Harrow and the Ahamkara

Maybe kick off this timeline’s “Great Ahamkara Hunt”

[foggy estuary]

Ahamkaras when I make a wish to my shotgun to fill them with buckshot

[worn zinc]

Hopefully they don’t make EVERY Ahamkara look like riven, they’re supposed to look like however people wish to perceive them

Like the Iron Lords fought Ahamkaras that looked like traditional european dragons since Saladin wanted a classical dragon fight

[foggy estuary]

Me wishing for it to look like a Ford so it falls apart

There gonna be one mf guardian who be like "yeah I wish u look like a hot anthromorphic dragon girl" 🗿

[worn zinc]

It’s strange that Skorri seems to be the only Awoken we run into during the story

Honestly didn’t expect her to be an Awoken

Umeko’s supposed to be our first playable Awoken so hopefully she sheds some light on what’s going on

[foggy estuary]

Probably just coincidence frankly

[lament chasm]

I wish we could've made wolf an exo or awoken

I wanted wolf-3 or something

[foggy estuary]

I second this and Wolf should have been more ambiguous class wise

The well defined disciplines of the main game weren't as established in the dark ages

[lament chasm]

I keep trying to dodge with wolf since he is technically a hunter but I keep forgetting they didn't have class abilities till D2 era 😭

[foggy estuary]

It will likely be a characters ability eventually. Kabr has citan barricade

[worn zinc]

Felwinter gotta pull up with the shoulder charge

[foggy estuary]

Yea then get clapped by shaxx

[lament chasm]

Tan-2 has rift

[foggy estuary]

Ye

[worn zinc]

Felwinter better have a shotgun it’s already weird for ikora to not have one

[lament chasm]

I guess Ning fei technically has a dodge

[foggy estuary]

Also Jolder has not garbage Ward of Dawn

[worn zinc]

I wonder who they’ll choose for Shadowshot

I’m gonna guess that it’ll be a character that uses the bow weapon we have a setting for

With a void quiver or smtn

[foggy estuary]

Yea, though iirc weren't specific names mentioned in those d1 taken king 3rd super missions?

[worn zinc]

I know Tevis was the nightstalker we took it from

Though I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s someone else

Mara Sov guardian

[foggy estuary]

Real

[lament tree]

We did technically have shadow step in D1

[nova musk]

u can use their 2nd ability to basically dash away :>

[lyric nexus]

bop

[halcyon scaffold]

||Obligatory channel engagement||

[tawdry tree]

We are getting an ahamkara raid

[warped garnet]

Actually Ikora does have hair.

[bleak horizon]

Bald ah bth

[cyan widget]

The iron lords have official actions figures. I love it.

[steep owl]

...

[lament chasm]

They just need an action figure for Wolf

[covert estuary]

Is it confirmed that we will get main campaigns through out the years or just seasonal content?

[dense cave]

isnt eliksni a widespread term already

[covert estuary]

Not before we meet Mithrax I think

[dense cave]

is mithrax even in this game

[covert estuary]

Technically Kevarah can spread the words with the eliskni children but the population during destiny rising wasn’t that large yet so it shouldn’t be that wide spread

[dense cave]

well do even have ppl calling them eliskni at all

[covert estuary]

Attal and Wolf does

See Attal’s character quest and the exotic mission for the grenade launcher catalyst

Fallen is kind of like a racist slur to eliskni

[worn zinc]

I was so used to Crow’s nice attitude to the Eliksini that Aueyla’s whole attitude on them caught me off guard

[wraith carbon]

they're planning on major content updates every two months
the shape of what those content updates is remains to be seen

there'll be smaller content updates between those as well

[rose osprey]

My heart did a little happiness Jump when some Jolder Lore hinted/implied Siva, i miss Siva

[wraith carbon]

A nanobot metal eating thing with self organizing capabilities that Felwinter knows how to control?
Hmmmmmmmmm

[rose osprey]

Turns out its actually just 5G chips from pre golden age and they got blessed by the midness

[cyan widget]

I’d love one IRL!

[cyan widget]

Especially since even when returning to the plagurlands, D2 ignores all opportunities with SIVA.

DR could get massive player influx by doing a SIVA DLC or something like that

[rose osprey]

Definitely! I think its so ridicolous that Bungie is double tripling down on no Siva, why even give us Plague back then, i guess so they have a reason to say ok here u go you get Wrath but no Siva otherwise

[limpid cape]

I wonder if we will get villian light bearers(idk how to spell it)
I'm not too well versed in destiny lore but I have heard about a guardian that that had his old memories and "saved" other guardians and destroyed their ghosts
Maybe we can have them as an introduction to darkness

[tawdry tree]

He doesn't need darkness to snuff the light from a ghost

[limpid cape]

true
i just was thinking of a way darkness would be introduced
i heard he remembers his past life and the darkness helps to remember so tha would be a way

[tawdry tree]

I don't think our current environment with other lightbearers around would like to see a lightbearer with darkness

[limpid cape]

ah true

[mental hearth]

can someone explain me the tldr if were in another universe / timeline bla bla bla

[exotic epoch]

its an alternate timeline where certain folks are arent there and certain folks are and how that lead to a different outcome of evolution

[mental hearth]

😭 thats a little too short

[wraith carbon]

Yes, we're in an alternate timeline. The timeline diverged some time in the Golden Age. We are currently exiting the dark ages and entering the city age, although the city hasn't been built yet.

[lime yarrow]

so this isn't a prequel?

[wraith carbon]

nope
different universe, different events

[vital heron]

It won’t lead into the events of d1 so no, but it dose have characters and places that were referenced to have existed since the dark ages along with new characters and places that the new devs have added.

[wide zodiac]

...Attal, I love that you have a point about how "Baldur" may have been raised after his intial death with no memory of who he was. Counterpoint: Always assume a fictional Kyle is ALWAYS evil.

[timid crater]

I firmly believe that Virtual Space in sparrow racing was created so people won't forget to sometimes not have fun with the Destiny franchise 💀

[foggy estuary]

Sometimes?

[mental hearth]

can someone explain exo strangers lore to me like who and what she is

[odd marten]

ciao ho creato un pack per italiani DIVISIONE_SOL [SOLE] 🇮🇹 🇮🇹

[foggy estuary]

I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain

[mental hearth]

is it that deep 😭

[foggy estuary]

No that's just one of the first Destiny writing memes because that's literally how bad the writing was, that's an actual quote from her

[mental hearth]

damn 😭

[foggy estuary]

Took them nearly 6 years to flesh her out. She's Elisabeth Bray, sister of Ana Bray, happens to be an interdimensional time traveller. Both are daughters of Clovis Bray who is a genius but also a meglomaniac - he created the exo race

[mental hearth]

does she have any powers? i cant even remember

[foggy estuary]

I mean she travels timelines

Otherwise I guess kinda a regular guardian though she does have a fishy ghost which we still never got an explanation of

[mental hearth]

is she a lightbearer?

[foggy estuary]

Technically no her fishy is one of them poukas from Neptune

[mental hearth]

ALR TYSM BRO

[foggy estuary]

Ye no problem, Her presence is indicative of the timeline going correctly, since she stated in several of the ones she's been to her sister fell to the darkness and such

[mental hearth]

i wonder if we'll ever see her here

or other "famous" characters

[foggy estuary]

Her role is more or less tied to our guardian in d1 and d2 cuz she's been through numerous time loops so I doubt it

[wraith carbon]

Her time loop does start the day on Cayde's Hunter Vanguard appointment. Vanguard's not even a concept yet, so they'd have to pull some trickery for her to make an appearance. I think it's still on the table, though.

[strange frigate]

Here is a question about wolf, tan, gwynn and frankly all playable guardians who is or will be a 5th lvl sigma 🤔

[mental hearth]

at what time does cayde awake?

[limpid cape]

Cayde will be introduced then killed cause he's too expensive

[mental hearth]

they wont take my boy twice

just to introduce his killer and "redeem" him 🤡

[limpid cape]

His killer gets to be playable but not cayde

[mental hearth]

honestly i can believe that

[harsh cedar]

So did that self proclaimed Archpriest overthrow the entire house of Devil leadership or just the Prime Servitor? and also do we even see the house of devils kell?

[strange frigate]

crow did nothing wrong

[steep owl]

Nope

[foggy estuary]

Except be demonstrably stupid in that one season where he unplugged the psion

[grizzled ridge]

What may I ask is the lore behind my guy Tan-2?

[wraith carbon]

When he found his relic he started hearing the ghost of a warlord. He's practically possessed.
Tan-2 is the one who uses solar light to heal, while Yannick-11 is the one who uses it to burn. They both have control of his body at times, but Tan's the actual like...host body, while Yannick usually talks through the sword.

[grizzled ridge]

So Yami Yugi type shenanigans

[storm coral]

or Moon knight

[wraith carbon]

Moon Knight's a pretty good analogy.

[prime cave]

Traveler Konshu

Fanart when

[wraith carbon]

Tan's character quest goes into details about what exactly happened to him and why. It's very worth doing. One of my personal favorite quests in the game.

[prime cave]

"That wasn't--! I swear that wasn't me-me!"

[wraith carbon]

They seriously have some of the best dialogue in the game

[prime cave]

Now that I think about it, why am I the only one with an animal name?

[wraith carbon]

i set that as my player intro lol

[lament chasm]

I completed it in the alpha gotta do it again tho (and pull tan-2 😭 )

[slender lintel]

Does gwynn have anything to do with ace of spades?

[wraith carbon]

...the hand cannon? Why would you think that?

I'm genuinely curious

[slate cape]

Different Actors for Ikora and Saladin

Cayde will be no different

[hardy lake]

Because of the voiceline for the super.

I’m assuming thats why they said that.

[wraith carbon]

"Memento Mori" is latin for Remember Death. It's a pretty common phrase. Ace of Spades has it as it's perk simply because of Cayde's death.

[prime cave]

More accurate translation is "remember you will die"

[wraith carbon]

yeah i was being very literal

[prime cave]

Roman generals would have someone whispering it into their ears after they returned from a successful mission to keep them humble

Very fun

[wraith carbon]

good job! remember though you'll die someday

[prime cave]

😀

[hardy lake]

I know that

Im just saying i can see how someone could think this is related if they aren’t looking at the specifics.

[lament tree]

Was Ace of Spades perk in D1 just a regular Firefly? I don't remember

[wraith carbon]

I believe so

[worn zinc]

It was a perk called “Maverick”, basically it would reload 1 round into your magazine every time you get a precision kill

[lament tree]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that part completely

[worn zinc]

Fun Fact, the Ace of Spades symbol is generally considered the Death card

Yeah Ace of Spades was a pretty forgettable weapon in D1 tbh

Also since it was hunter-exclusive

[worldly citrus]

Just finished the campaignnn I loved the ending

[lament tree]

True, funny when Tlaloc was like the best Primary while being exclusive too

[lament tree]

Campaign was honestly fun, I like how they tried some random things we haven’t seen before in Destiny

[worldly citrus]

Right!!

[lament tree]

Is it explained anywhere why lightbearers in Rising need to use Relics to utilise their power and Destiny 2 doesn’t have them? Or is there something that acts as a relic?

[wraith carbon]

There hasn't been an official explanation, but the commonly accepted theory is that because we're so much further back in the timeline than the main timeline, the understanding of how Light works and can be used is much worse, so Lightbearers need an artifact to focus it through.

[worn zinc]

Technically in Destiny some guardians do opt to channel their light through relics, like Shin Malphur

I assume it’s another quirk of this timeline, since Kabr already has Aegis

[lament tree]

I guess that works, I was also thinking if the Aspects could be acting as some sort of Relics? Because every Aspect is a specific item in the lore

[worn zinc]

Aspects might just be objects with light stored in it as opposed to something they channel their super through

I do think lightbearers might legitimately just be weaker in this timeline

[lament tree]

True, or we just gain power with time, the amount of things that happened from start of D1 to our current D2 is massive

[worn zinc]

I think the biggest indicator for me is it seems implied to be easier to kill a Ghost in this timeline

[dense cave]

do yall think we are getting cayde or crow in this au as the "hunter class leader"

[wraith carbon]

Definitely not Crow, we're several hundred years away from Uldren's death.
Cayde's also not super likely. I'd imagine if we see a hunter vanguard it'll be either Tallulah or Andal Brask. Or one of the other four named hunter vanguards.

Let me rephrase:

Cayde's a likely character to show up

But I think one of his vanguard predecessors would fit the role you're asking about

[wind rose]

they drop the ball so hard at the end, I love how saladin goes from I hate you and I hate haven and I refuse any help whatsoever! to I'm so sorry wolf! I've changed my entire outlook on everything! remember when you said I was corrupted, that was so true! and we'll never bring this up again! also you remember that place I've refused help from for god knows how long? yeah, not only am I okay with the idea of getting help from them, but I already left a voice mail! all off screen! in the span of one under 1 mission! like come on, I've read better storytelling in fanfiction!

[prime cave]

Okay so you just don't understand why he was acting the way he was originally

[lusty talon]

?

[wide zodiac]

...Looks like someone missed the fact that he was, in fact, corrupted. Ahamkara magic: not even once.

Dude accidently made a wish to protect veridia, and much like the guy before him, the cost was him becoming more and more evil

It was only fixed by Harrow going as far away from him as possibkle

[dark delta]

Quick question folks, kinda confused rn, did i miss a mission or something? After doing the gauntlet, I'm now in the Red Sea. What ever happened to dealing with Issakis once and for all? Or is this part of the prep for dealing with him?

[wide zodiac]

TLDR: You take out his support network in gauntlet op blitz, which leaves him trapped at the top of the station. You then deal with THAT in the raid/Onslaught.

[dark delta]

I see ty

So that means in terms of chronology we deal with him then we go to the Red Sea, right?