lore-discussion

[devout robin]

Does anybody know when they going to release destiny rising

[kind aurora]

Nope, they said they are going quiet for awhile

[severe oar]

It's hilarious that everywhere I go on this discord, I see this post from you lol

[violet surge]

Forever forwarding this so people won’t ask stupid questions:)

[severe oar]

But you know they will.

[violet surge]

And this will be forwarded again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again

[severe oar]

I laughed when I saw it in multiple places lol

[severe oar]

This reminds me of something. Have you ever seen "The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon"?

[violet surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hash-slinging-slasher-sponge-bob-entering-gif-14990339

[severe oar]

I'm not sure if that's a yes or a no but it's hilarious. There's a part in it where the narrator is saying "and again, and again, and again, and again, and again." You made me think about it.

[violet surge]

And then and then And then and then And then and then And then and then And then and then (dude where’s my car)

[topaz stag]

Dude! Sweet!

[primal tusk]

Hunter is best class!

Hehehe ha

[remote venture]

Warlock sucks when it comes to fashion

At least out of the three

[severe oar]

https://tenor.com/view/um-uh-head-scratch-awkward-hmm-gif-17561719

[supple bolt]

Titan is by far the worst fashion out of all of them, idk what your on about but a third of titan exotics are the most but ugly crap I’ve seen I D2

[cunning bison]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-confused-stressed-gif-12171120

[remote venture]

Based off the replies that I’ve been receiving, it appears I do not have good taste in fashion

Or at least don’t know how to judge fashion

[severe oar]

You have opinions about fashion just like everyone here. Just because I don't agree your whole "Warlocks suck when it comes to fashion" statement doesn't mean you don't have fashion sense.

It's just me not agreeing with that particular statement.

[coral reef]

I like my bathrobes, some people like their shoulder pauldrons. Nothing wrong with either take

On a different note, do we have centralized place for confirmed lore yet? I've mostly just been keeping track by myself, and I'm sure I could use some catching up since I didn't finish the alpha story

[wraith carbon]

Nope, not really
Destinypedia isn't allowing pages until the full release due to how much can change between alpha and launch, which is totally fair

[coral reef]

Agreed. I had the same thought when I started considering Black Armory weapons. Like, technically we could have them in an alternate timeline, but it'd be tight, even given that allowance. Maybe it was just rule of cool for Alpha

[remote venture]

Ima do a quick Halo x Destiny crossover question here, but what would happen if the Flood infected a guardian? Would the guardian be infected and there’ll be some suped up flood combat form, or will the guardian just heal/regenerate and basically be immune?

And what would happen if the guardian can get infected and you kill them? Will they still be infected when they revive or will they regenerate and be uninfected?

[wraith carbon]

If Asher, Kabr, or Katabasis are any indication, physical corruption of sorts doesn't really take hold unless their ghost is dead or also corrupted.
Asher's ghost got stabbed by a radiolaria tentacle, and after he got resurrected from that incident his arm started getting corrupted. There was an implication that if he died more, the vex corruption would accelerate due to his ghost being corrupted as well.

[fleet sentinel]

I think that guardians would theoretically be immune to infection since from my understanding their essentially intertwined with light

[weak blade]

Guardians are yes, but we don’t know at what level the initial lightbearers were.

Could be possible they are more susceptible to infection. Let’s not forget in Rise of Iron SIVA could infect some of the Iron Lords. Granted they were technically dead and guardians, but anything is possible I guess.

[eternal parrot]

Hrm I would think that is less infected and more “possessed”.

[weak blade]

Perhaps. But for it to be possession it would need to be something taking control of someone’s actions, whereas SIVA is a technological virus that can infest biological beings as well due to adaptation. In a way it’s a form of possession, but it’s still a virus infecting the host. If it was more of a fungus, like something that needs a host to survive then maybe then possession would be more appropriate. But, the virus can infect so many things.

So, it’s difficult really to say for certain overall. SIVA is such a fascinating concept.

[remote venture]

I like asking Halo x Destiny questions and I realized I can finally get some answers here. So ima ask another: can the Cabal Empire combat the Covenant and/or the Banished?

Like will they be an equal adversary or can the actually win against them?

[weak blade]

I feel that the Cabal Empire (at least the current one), is bound by honour. The Covenant are normally led by a maniacal leader, therefore are more unpredictable where Cabal follow a specific structure to how they engage with other races.

It’s difficult to say, I think through brute strength alone the Cabal would beat the Covenant hands down. But, it’s tough to say.

[fleet sentinel]

To be fair the covenant was actually so dogmatic in naval combat and engagement that multiple UNSC admirals were able to win statistically unwinnable battles, this is what partially made Thel Vadam so dangerous and successful since he was willing to adjust strategies as needed. However, the covenant really have no answer to something like the almighty which can pretty much consume stars as far as I know

[fleet sentinel]

That being said as much as I love halo I can’t see a realistic path the covenant can take to beat the cabal unless the covenant could fire the halo rings without a human. Which would result in a stalemate anyway

[remote venture]

Yea. The primary reason why the Covenant was winning the war was due to their space superiority, with their ground military being pretty weak. But the cabal have both air and ground superiority, with powerful siege vehicles such as their land tanks and their powerful warships such as the Almighty

[sleek plaza]

Id have to do some Fabius Bile ass experiments to answer that for you chief.

[umbral turtle]

@glacial latch dm chack plz

[timid dawn]

Yes, cool

[violet surge]

Such scammy scumbags lately. You’re like the tenth thousand one we’ve had this week

[severe oar]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-edd-and-eddy-away-gif-25260854

[umbral turtle]

@glacial latch dm please

[violet surge]

Anyone getting ghost pinging??

[wraith carbon]

All the time

[violet surge]

https://tenor.com/view/thai-dancing-ghost-dancing-ghost-mai-davika-gif-15580514

[violet surge]

@analog smelt ^^

[analog smelt]

Hmm?

[violet surge]

Spammy bot was here

[analog smelt]

Ah sorry

Was working

[violet surge]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-unacceptable-earl-of-lemongrab-no-watermark-gif-27371438

[severe oar]

https://tenor.com/view/eyebrow-raise-spock-star-trek-the-original-series-raising-my-eyebrows-gif-4015411569237817797

[analog smelt]

Hey I gotta afford things somehow

[violet surge]

No no. Go broke

Theirs a joke their but I don’t wanna get in trouble 🫠🫥

[crystal crane]

So we going back to destiny 1 with this game or?

[kind aurora]

No, it's a different timeline before d1

[wraith carbon]

Like hundreds of years before D1 in a timeline that diverged in the golden age

Last City is just starting to be built, Iron Lords are in full swing, and also there's the corpses of giant light powered mechas littering the countryside
One is still alive, though

[plush skiff]

Technically you could say these events still correlate to the main timeline it just probably didn’t happen like how rising is showing us

[zealous slate]

Technically D2 has a emblem with radaghast name on it in iron banana section of emblems

[wraith carbon]

Radegast exists in main canon of course
We just never saw him because he, along with the other lords, died in the siva replication chamber

[zealous slate]

True

[remote venture]

A couple characters are in Destiny lore

[violet surge]

Gross

[violet surge]

Ugly stupid clown

[sturdy tide]

Hello guys

[violet surge]

Burn in hell

[random mortar]

Or before they even got there

[slate cape]

It's an interesting choice to set the game both in the past and in an alternate timeline

Makes me wonder just how much is going to change with things like the Hive Gods and the Witness

[zealous slate]

I dont think they will be apart of it but you never know

[timber sable]

In the drca they name dropped crota if I'm not mistaken, so that is definitely gonna be interesting

[keen canopy]

Technically Crota challenged you at the first run through the ascendant plane chasing one of his sisters or daughters on Ikora’s quest line, just right at the end.

[marsh dagger]

huh?

[muted shuttle]

@near python

[lament chasm]

Literally what nintendo did with aoc (yeah ik that is totally unrelated but it reminded me of it)

Seem like a lot of games and just stories in general are going for the AU route

[weak blade]

The Witness is a core reason as to why the traveler traverses the galaxy/universe. So, if you take out the Darkness what reason it travels needs to be explored and explained.

[rugged trout]

When you say light powered mechas I'm guessing the Sentinels?

[rugged trout]

Just to be clear on that one.

[wraith carbon]

Yes

[chilly sonnet]

Wait what is a sentinel?

[kind aurora]

Big ass robot

[wraith carbon]

It can swat skiffs out of the sky

They are very, very big

They also appeared to fight kaiju of some sort during the collapse, as evidenced by this big ribcage with a hammer in the middle of it

Nearby mountains for scale

[wraith carbon]

The wanderer here appears to be the last one
Good money's on us saving it somehow during the course of the plot

[tropic smelt]

buenas noches señores

[near python]

El servidor es solo inglés por el momento

[slate cape]

The Witness had other things serving it apparently

If not the Witness then something else

[prime cave]

Most likely going to be our Rasputin since braytech didn't win the arms race

[worn river]

Hi

[zealous slate]

Winnower.

[stuck vale]

anyone found any lore connections (from Destiny 1) about dead legend 'Komarov' , i remember from some weapon or armor low lvl lore till today. Many many years has passed and still remember

[keen canopy]

“Cloak of the Cosmonaut

Vladimir Komarov helped build and fly Earth's first ships. He gave his life to the frontier.”

Helmet - “Komarov 3.1

Never lose your bearings. A disoriented Hunter cannot select vital targets or track lines of flight.”

Arms - “Komarov 3.1

The gauntlets include extensible microtools for fine work on spacecraft systems.”

Chest - “Komarov 3.1.2

Hunters craft Komarov patterns in preparation for lunar and exoatmospheric work.”

Legs - “Komarov 3.1r4

Traditionally inscribed with a list: Komarov, Grissom, White, Chaffee and more. Souls lost to a higher purpose.”

(From back in The Dark Below, though a second set was issued for Rise of Iron. Each piece had color/pattern variants with different numbers.)

[cunning bison]

bumbling through brush my botanical escapade continues snagged on leaves but hey more crafting supplies jackpot!

[wraith carbon]

what

[jovial yoke]

bumbling through brush my botanical escapade continues snagged on leaves but hey more crafting supplies jackpot!

[lilac cliff]

Dude this lore is MASSIVE

[cunning bison]

Do you know what ELSE is MASSIVE?

[thorn sedge]

my steam backlog

[sturdy mango]

Nerds

[frank patrol]

MY MOM

[primal jewel]

My mom is bigger than the Milky Way 😌

[wet vault]

Lmao

[slate cape]

Honestly I’m glad this game is a thing, Destiny Rising opens up a possibility for fans of taking characters and events in different directions.

I love the universe and the idea of Mythic sci-fi. I would like to explore my own take rather than waste time on a knock-off.

Not saying I’d make something I’d profit off of, but I’d like to do some concepts and illustrations that does things a little differently from the core franchise

[crisp solar]

^how does this server not have spam and bot protections

[muted shuttle]

@near python @narrow geode

[violet surge]

You forgot @wispy charm and @analog smelt

[analog smelt]

Ah

[wispy charm]

👍

[prime cave]

Everyone always forgets auras 😔

[wispy perch]

I remember the colored locusts that swarmed you when you got infected by other Guardians who had it.

[flint sinew]

ad fuioifoiou

[slate cape]

Anyone else hoping they make new factions / races for this game?

[rustic elk]

Personally, not new races as even though it’s an alternate setting I still want it to maintain a somewhat vaguely consistent vibe with the early city-age vibes of destiny.

But as for factions, I would be far from surprised if they put their own spin on the functions and narrative roles of certain enemy factions, I think certain new varieties of factions may likely happen

[weak blade]

I agree. I want to see altered versions of already know factions/races. With a more interesting look into established areas.

D: Rising can really expand on areas of interest. That is why it’s so appealing, at least to me anyway.

[slate cape]

edit: realized I repeated something I said earlier in Feb

[solid grove]

yap yap yap

[wicked aurora]

Here’s a Lore Question, to complete the D1 Vanguard, can we be expecting to see Zavala and Cayde?

Also

Hello everyone

[rustic elk]

Hi there that’s a good question!

From the “it’s a videogame” PoV, I absolutely expect them to show up because they’re fan favourites

From a narrative standpoint it’s a bit more vague and requires a few pieces to be in place if it wants to stay true to the Zavala’s origin cinematic beats despite the different setting. Zavala arrived to the city when it was still huts, we are way past huts rn so presumably Zavala has already visited the city and presumably left again to go be with Saffiya. But notably he arrived before the city walls were built so it’s possible…

The only thing I can say for certain is that if they show up, Zavala made it to the haven/the city before Cayde-6, but after Lord Shaxx, Speaker II & Iron Lord Saladin. So our speaker might die lol or this alt setting just never had the D1 speaker

[gaunt tangle]

it seems like the time line diverges pre dark age since there are already some diffrences like the big mechs, so the founding and growth of haven/the last city is probably divergent as well, so just cause zavala visted the city during its early days in the prime timeline doesn't mean he did in the rising timeline,

[rustic elk]

For sure, but a lot of what I have seen of the game has despite being an entirely different take on the destiny setting still followed some amount of its narrative ideas, so I was coming at it from the perspective of Zavala’s story being potentially one of those aspects they lean towards the original game’s canon on:

if it wants to stay true to the Zavala’s origin cinematic beats despite the different setting

[wraith carbon]

There is stuff in base canon that they're alluding to in the new setting
Radagast talking with Ikora about forming the Hidden, for instance
It would not be an unreasonable assumption that Zavala could show up as a new light helping form the city

[slate cape]

Question is who are they setting up as the major overarching antagonist - I’m going to guess that the witness is not at play this time

Considering the giant ribcage

Though that does make me consider what the origins of the hive are 🤔 with no Rhulk intervention, but that’s assuming the Witness is entirely absent

[wraith carbon]

I think the witness still exists, because the hive and Crota still exist
But I don't think they're going to be the main villain. Wouldn't be easy to keep player retention with a rehash like that.
It does seem like we're going to confront crota at some point, though

[rustic elk]

My kinda internal assumption is the gamewill have an eventual narrative climax at like the time of the Great Disaster, with Crota being the mainline antagonist for that run of the game or something and end with him being trapped in his ascendant plane or something, with beats like the reef wars, the events that end up causing the ahamkara hunts, etc all being major beats along the way intersperesed with the flashy new stories the devs want to tell unrestrained, but that's an assumption made on no footing, frankly I expect the Fallen ot be the big bads for the majority of the game

[wraith carbon]

The ahamkara hunt sounds like it'd be a big deal, considering Morgran's a thing. Would definitely be an interesting story beat.

[rustic elk]

It’s arguably what I’m most excited for, making it a big interpersonal conflict between pro ahamkara characters like Radegast, Morgran and Estella in opposition to types like Ikora or maybe an added Zavala or Lord Saladin down the line

Maybe if they don’t want to shake status quo this could be like a small “skirmish” before the actual hunt itself starts after the events of the game where they don’t need to worry about affecting ahamkara-centric activities

[rustic elk]

Bye bye spambot!

Byeeeeee

Oh wait you can’t @ the moderators role

Welp that’s unfortunate

Hope they see this!

[wispy charm]

👋 got it, thank you.

Feel free to ping us directly.

Even if you have to ping multiple mods

[rustic elk]

Ah ok! Good to know! Thanks for handling that so fast!

[wispy charm]

Whenever we get some kind of timeline, we'll review how this server can potentially handle user reports better.

There are some bots that do what dyno does, but much better.

[rustic elk]

I’d highly recommend the Maki bot for that kind of stuff! Super helpful on most of the servers I have had to set up and I’m pretty sure has some amount of anti-spam automation, and uses a really modular external website to manage its features compared to some other bots where you need to wrestle with unruly setup commands

[prime cave]

Just give me and stabs ban perms, problem solved

Surely no new problems will arise

[wispy charm]

😏

[wispy charm]

Sorry, didn't see this. I've seen sapphire & automod+ work together as a great combination on a different server.

[severe oar]

Surely

[pearl salmon]

So what all can be said about the story & lore of this game?
I'm looking for inspiration & ideas for writing an alternate story for a table top version of Destiny I wana run with my group.
So far I'm thinking of using D1 alpha & some personal D2 tweaks.
"Guardians" are Prismatic from the get-go.

[wraith carbon]

We're at the very beginning of the city age. Iron Lords are in power. Humanity is landlocked to Earth. Plot of the alpha was fixing a global communications station in China so that the Lords can communicate with other communes and bring them into the fold.

It's early enough in it's timeline that Lightbearers have trouble using the Light without a focus, which they call relics. Every lightbearer has one, and according to several, it's rather difficult for lightbearers before they find theirs. Our player character, Wolf, finds theirs within like 5 minutes of waking up, luckily.

This is also an alternate timeline where instead of fully relying on Rasputin for protection, we also have giant light powered mechas. Most of them are dead, and we use the reactor from one to help power up our relics. One of them is still active and roams around outside of Haven.

The Traveler's resting place has an enormous tree of light near it. The leaves are valuable in certain circles.

Hive were not known about until we discovered them underneath the ice in Jiangshi Metro alongside Ikora. They're Crota's brood.

Sorry, I know it's a big disorganized.

[violet surge]

And me…

[prime cave]

https://tenor.com/view/master-yoda-always-two-there-are-gif-20070062

[pearl salmon]

Interesting.
Was expecting Focuses to be like the Classes/Subclasses.
Hive on Earth before the Luna incident, eh?

[prime cave]

Guardians unfortunately aren't Prismatic, they just don't belong to classes. From all of the characters we saw in the Alpha, gameplay-wise Guardians only use 1 element, and there are no Darkness powers yet

[rustic elk]

Yup, hive on earth. A small contingent that seems to be chilling in the space that occupies Earth's ascendant plane. Definitely Crota's brats though.

As far as classes and subclasses go, there's no clear rules yet besides that Lightbearers seem to develop their abilities in tandem with a mix of their personalities and their given relic. Most of the "Titan-y" People for instance channel their light through relics that seem to be mostly defensive (Jolder & Kabr's shields come to mind), Warlock-y people seem to channel either the mystical or the scientific (Estella's Ahamkara stuff or Ikora's Braytech Gravity-Well), and then "Hunters" seem to be comprised of those who use weapon-like relics (Wolf's Sword, Ning-Fei's Arc Staff), that said there's also a lot of bleedover between these ideas (Gwynn's Scythe, Maru's Cannon, etc), which makes sense given the desire for a less rigid class system

[rustic elk]

@narrow geode got a scammer that needs a hammer

[wraith carbon]

To add onto this, it was pretty common in the DRCA to also classify a lightbearer based on their jump and melee. They tended to have the same animations as a class. Maru used a titan boost and punch, for instance.

[slate cape]

Basically a bit more of a grounded approach.
Usually the guardian produces a weapon made of light - like the Sunbreaker hammer.

Instead, they would channel light into a hammer they carry in their person.

Since it’s a hero shooter, it’s about making each character unique.

So even if there are two void warlocks, the way they use the void differs between them

[prime cave]

Idek 90% of their melees 😭 severely underwhelming in the alpha but yeah basically it was just
Offensive guardians pretty much all had hunter jumps
Defensive guardians had titan jumps
Support guardians had warlock glides

So even without actual class distinctions they'd all fit in to one or the other pretty badly

[wraith carbon]

Punches were basically only good for taking out a red bar occasionally. Nothing really interacted with them, which is a shame.

I feel like Jolder and Ning-Fei could've used some stuff interacting with the melee

[pearl salmon]

A bit of stylizing & personalization...I dig it.

[prime cave]

@narrow geode mods steal their left socks!

[narrow geode]

clean up on aisle 9

[muted shuttle]

@near python

https://tenor.com/view/luma-gif-27676663

[weak blade]

I hope the Nine will have a big part to play in Rising!

[south lotus]

i kinda hope we get to see something mentioned of cayde , it’s probably not possible though.

[wraith carbon]

I want to say he was already mentioned? Like, there was one sparrow that was from D2 that had it's flavor text lore also from D2, but I want to say that one of Ikora's diary entries mentioned him?

It's been a while so my memory on that part of the game is real fuzzy

[weak blade]

Will probably be a limited banner at one point. Perhaps on Forsaken/The Final Shape anniversary, maybe. Or some other date.

But, I would be incredibly shocked if we don’t see a version of Cayde-6 down the line.

[south lotus]

that would be so cool.

i lowkey haven’t touched much of destiny after final shape. played echoes and that was about it. really need to get back into it. love the game so much

[weak blade]

You, me and a lot of people do, I’m sure. That’s why I am overwhelmed with excitement for Destiny: Rising! It’s another game in that universe…. An alternate one, but still in that universe! 😃

[south lotus]

i’m so so excited for destiny rising.

[rustic elk]

I Mean as far as the original destiny timeline goes, it's not unreasonable, Zavala is probably off with Saladin rn as Ikora is technically a resident of Haven for now as part of Wolf's entourage, and Cayde arrived in the early city age, the time Period Haven seems to be set in

[wraith carbon]

Haven's at like, the nebulous time you'd call the beginning of the city age
They've started doing things, but there's a lot of organization that still needs to be done to kick the city off in earnest

[hoary lotus]

Because of the lore changes we could say that Destiny Rising takes place in a VEX simulation and it could technically be Canon just because of that 😀

[weak blade]

🤣🤣🤣 I would love this. Then D2 could do special in-game events with the characters exclusive to D: Rising.

I mean, this may eventually happen anyway. The possibilities are endless! 😃

[prime cave]

Doesn't even have to be a vex simulation, alternate timelines are already canon

Don't expect actual canon crossovers for at least a year tho, bungie wont want to tie themselves to it too strongly until it's a proven success

And even then the fact that it's made by netease will make it difficult

[prime cave]

So boog pointed out that these weapons are actually several weapons overlaid on each other. The sniper is Overseer/Revoker and Aachen, the sword is Makeshift Ending and Stryker's Sure-Hand, and the bow is Le Monarque, Heron Bow (D:R original from the developer preview), and a third as yet unidentified bow

[rustic elk]

Just waiting for Elsie Bray to show up and tell us the game’s servers are about to close lmao

[prime cave]

Okay wait I was just reminded that Heron is a foundry in Rising, so that's probably what its title is referring to here. Heron's origin trait is Paranoia: Reloading after final blows grants 5% increased sprint speed for 5s. Stacks 3x

[frosty kraken]

I was talking with a bungie developer, and he gave me the impression that guardians are significantly more powerful than gameplay and lore makes them out to be. In fact, so far to the point that I cannot think of any fictional character in any universe that could take out a guardian at full potential.

For example, he said that a guardian who is skilled enough, could just teleport body parts off of an enemy. If a guardian faced one Punch man, he could just teleport his head into the void.

[mortal birch]

Goku solos

[frosty kraken]

Not if his head is teleported off of his body.

[mortal birch]

Headless goku still solos low dif

• characters will reality aversion (like makima)

[frosty kraken]

I know that it’s easy to glaze Goku, but he will die if his head is missing. As far as makima goes, she can’t really do anything unless she has a specific name, the guardian can withstand the echo of command by sheer willpower, and even though makima can avoid death, she cannot escape the void if teleported there. She also couldn’t escape the weave if trapped there either.

[mortal birch]

Yamcha fodder ngl

[frosty kraken]

If you think of a character that can beat a guardian at its full potential, and the character in question will die if it’s head is teleported off of its body, a guardian at its full potential will instantly kill the character and win no questions asked. If the character would survive such a thing, but doesn’t have interdimensional travel capabilities, the guardian would teleport them into either the void or the weave, and they would be unable to escape ever.

You’re also underestimating the concept of paracausality. While it is impossible to simulate this power in gameplay, it basically makes it so that the only things capable of truly defeating a full potential guardian are things within the destiny universe. Guardians are completely immune to cause and effect if they have fully awakened their potential. The only reason powerful guardians die is because the things that kill them have the same ability. Also, those powerful guardians have not truly reached the full potential of what a guardian can be.

A lot of powerful characters with instant win techniques like makima for example, have abilities that rely on a strict cause and affect basis. Any decently powerful destiny character is completely immune to this. This is ironic, because the characters themselves can’t grasp the concept of paracausality, but use it anyway. Think of it this way. And ant cannot comprehend the concept of a bulletproof shield. The ant represents the guardian, and the bulletproof shield represents the ability to deny causality. Still, the shield protects the ant nonetheless. A human cannot grasp the concept of denying causality, but if they have the ability to deny causality, they will be immune to most things regardless.

In the vault of glass, the vex had ultimate control over time and reality. Any entity that entered the vault could be erased from existence. However, if they wanted to do such a thing to a guardian, they had to jump through a bunch of hoops, create Oracles, etc., etc. because an entity that defies causality is immune to attacks that use time. even when such a time erasure technique worked on a guardian, remnants of them still remained inside the vault because it is impossible to truly destroy a paracausality being by causal means.

A lot of the stuff the bungee developer said was vague, but the general impression given is that a guardian at full potential will solo almost anything.

There are plenty of incomprehensible characters that could defeat a full potential guardian, but only because they too transcend time and physics.

There is no comprehensible fictional character outside of the Destiny universe that can defeat a perfect guardian.

[rustic elk]

There’s countless characters who could kill a top of the line guardian, we know this because there are countless characters who can do so in Destiny itself.

Most anyone with a name from the Warhammer 40k Setting
Half of Marvel Comics (Darwin, Magneto, Magik, Mad Jim Jaspers, etc)
Half of DC comics
Any reality warper in fiction, etc

Also just pointing out, the Void and Weave are not placeable dimensions. The weave is reality, you can’t trap someone in reality because they are already there, guardians interfacing with the weaves are more or less bending reality around themselves and altering what is already there just trapped as psychoconceptual energy

[frosty kraken]

Different lore cards and ability descriptions list the weave and void as alternate dimensions that you can step into. Also, I want to reiterate that guardians are completely beyond causality. They cannot fall victim to something that nearly manipulates reality if they have reached their full potential. Magneto stands no chance. You are really underestimating a full power guardian. A full powered guardian is a fully paracausal entity, and a skilled paracausal entity cannot be defeated by any of the characters you mentioned. There are certain incomprehensible characters in Marvel and DC that could defeat a max power guardian, but any human or understandable character stands no chance against an entity that is completely beyond causality.

Even if we are ignoring a guardians ability to defy, causality, time, etc., they can teleport any body part off of an opponent If they are skilled enough, they can create black holes and suns in the palm of their hand, they can resurrect themselves from death, the list goes on. I understand a case for more obscure, powerful, comic characters, but magneto?!

ChatGPT is a horrible source to verify anything, and is completely stupid to use in an argument 99% of the time. However, this situation is the other one percent. ChatGPT has access to every bit of information on the Internet, so it is really good at gathering all the information about the capabilities of a comic book or game character. It is also really good at defining things, such as paracausality. Again, I must reiterate that I do not condone using ChatGPT as a credible source. I just think that this very specific niche task is an exception.
Here is what it said:

Being paracausal means you can change reality in ways that shouldn't be possible— teleport, resurrect, warp time, defy death, or even rewrite fate. That's what sets Guardians and other paracausal entities apart from normal beings in the universe.

And

In the Destiny universe, paracausality refers to the ability to defy or operate outside the laws of conventional physics and causality
-essentially, it's power that breaks the rules of the normal, material universe.
Paracausal beings or forces:
• Aren't bound by cause and effect like regular (causal) beings.
• Can do things that should be impossible according to science or logic.
• Are often tied to fundamental cosmic forces like the Light and the Darkness.

I’m not using ChatGPT as my source here by the way. I’m just using to produce a consolidated definition of paracausal powers as is already defined in the destiny universe. The only reason I used ChatGPT for this was so that I didn’t have to search through 50,000 lower cards and stitch together a haphazard essay.

[frosty kraken]

Think of a character that you believe can defeat a guardian at its full potential. If that character will die or become incapacitated with all of its body parts teleported away from each other, then the guardian wins. This has been confirmed to me by a senior narrative designer at bungie.

If the character you think of can survive such a thing, do their powers and ability to kill exist within physics and causality? If so, then a full potential guardian cannot be defeated by them. This is because a character that transcends causality cannot be defeated by causal means.

This character litmus test goes on and on until the only characters your left with are those that are incomprehensible like as Azathoth or the one above all.

This is because the concept of paracausality is extremely unique to the destiny universe. Guardians are not as powerful as I say they are because of the physical things they can do with the light and darkness, but rather because they are, by nature, beyond cause and effect, assuming that the guardian in question has reached its full potential.

If the only thing that guardians could do is to create stars and black holes, etc., and any reality or time shattering a character would be able to beat them. However, this is not the case because even those characters that can shatter time or change reality still depend on causality, a concept that guardians completely transcend if they are experienced enough.

Your average warlock can use nova warp, and nova warp requires “stepping between dimensions and subverting the laws of physics“

Multiply that by however much more powerful a full potential guardian is, and there isn’t really a conceivable way to defeat that. Sure, there are plenty of inconceivable ways. The one above all (maybe. I think he got defeated by a human in one comic, which would mean he wouldn’t be able to beat a full potential guardian) most lovecraftian entities, etc. My point is that any character within human comprehension cannot defeat a full potential guardian because any character within human comprehension is still bound by causality. There are probably a select few characters across fiction with similar causality defying powers, but they are few and far between.

[frosty kraken]

There is currently no known guardian in destiny that has truly reached the peak of what a guardian can become. Also, all of the destiny characters that can kill extremely powerful guardians defy causality themselves. Either that, or they are a Cabal with very specific light suppressing technology.

[wraith carbon]

This is one of the biggest power scaling rants I've ever seen

[frosty kraken]

I’m right though. Not because guardians are so powerful that no other fiction can stand against them, because other fiction can. The problem is that anytime another fictional universe contains a character that is completely paracausal like a guardian, that character is 99% of the time going to be an incomprehensible God or unknowable cosmic entity. Destiny is the only universe I know of where a character can transcend causality completely and entirely whilst also remaining comprehensible to a human. Basically, a guardian is the missing link between an overpowered person character and an incomprehensible entity. Destiny is the only universe that has such missing links. Anything in Marvel, DC, or Warhammer 40 K is either less powerful than a guardian or so incomprehensible that it wouldn’t be possible to power scale.

[weak blade]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[violet surge]

https://tenor.com/view/be-quiet-stop-saying-words-spiderman-gif-15624173

[prime cave]

Reason #501849 we should be able to post YouTube links

[proud tangle]

In narratives, I am firm believer that anyone can beat anyone when it is executed well. So powerscaling shouldn't matter to a story

[frosty kraken]

That’s valid. It is possible for a writer to set a scenario up so that any character beats any other character. I’m simply saying that in a vacuum, if the characters were real and outside of the control of a writer, that my words apply.

[small mantle]

oh god it's powerscaling

[rustic elk]

The theoretical physics of lore discussion and twice as dense!

[weak blade]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-definitely-agree-blanche-devereaux-golden-girls-gif-27025299

[nocturne crypt]

Honestly, I read most of what you typed out just because of how interesting a read and how fun it is to think about different scenarios considering the information you've presented. It really all is just fascinating stuff for cognitive play!

[weary cove]

Fam, I read your writing and while I don't know where you officially began, I enjoyed your thorough analysis. It was like reading a Byf breakdown! Kudos!

[rustic elk]

I know it’s probably a pipe dream but my goodness I hope Jaren Ward, the original owner of The Last Word shows up in this game. Destiny Rising seems about perfect timewise for when he begins to make a name for himself in the city and nearby refuge colonies, and he could maybe give us something adjacent to a solar hunter playstyle that flows as a precursor to the golden gun that would become popularised (if not outright conceived of) by his protege Shin Malphur

[wraith carbon]

Jaren Ward and Rezzyl Azzir as like dual competing banners is one of my wishlists for the game

Dredgen Yor was an interesting fellow before he discovered the Hive

[rustic elk]

Yeah before the hive-madness he was practically the second coming of saint 14 lol, famously virtuous and a major proponent in both ending the faction wars and the pacification of the Warlords. Dude was a top tier guardian (and a striker titan which we did not have in the DRCA iirc)

Plus he is only noted as having used two weapon types, Hand Cannons and Auto Rifles, so it wouldn't be hard to make a kit out of his lore, especially because the only info we have on his pre-city age gear (what he wore before Devestation Complex Titan Armour) was that it was gold plated and had a pelt layered on it

[prime cave]

"In his strong hand the man held a Rose. And his aura burned bright" 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[rustic elk]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[wicked aurora]

“Yours, until the last flame dies and all words are spoken”-Shin Malphur to You as you journey forth into the unknown

[covert estuary]

Just a speculation on edge of fate. I think the nine is play time experiment on Kelper, which pulled Lodi from golden age, house of exile from near pre city age and vex units from future or Maya’s vex( I don’t see the collar). And they invited us as present test subject. But then we meet Orin later on to learn about what is the conflict within the nine and we keep searching for answer to the next dlc

[wraith carbon]

In some of the raw gameplay footage we saw the Vex are labeled as Choral, so they're Maya's Vex
But the ones that are in her command, not the subjugated ones with the collars

[covert estuary]

I see

[weak blade]

After rewatching the Drifter cutscene from the chess puzzle. I can safely say one thing he said stood out to me “this universe”. Normally people refer to “The universe” as “the”; but this key nuance use of “this” furthers my theory about Edge of Fate. I am 100% sure that it’s alternate universe not just a time travel story.

I mean, the whole concept of discussing fate insinuates an altered timeline caused from a different choice.

[rustic elk]

I mean we have seen those before with Elsie's botched timelines. alternates is definitely sensical

[weak blade]

Indeed! I’m super excited!

[rustic elk]

Not to mention how the IX opened guardians up to the concept of the Paraverse, a multiversal structure that like paracausality, ignores the laws of reality

[violet surge]

Help me do the four piece puzzle 😭😭

[covert estuary]

Maybe destiny rising?

[violet surge]

Destiny doesn’t tie into destiny rising at all

[trim phoenix]

hello

[prime cave]

Other way around

[violet surge]

Shush you

[covert estuary]

It’s just a theory chill

[kind aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-theory-matpat-fnaf-movie-matthew-robert-patrick-gif-8650789653163891524

[rustic elk]

Still can't believe this guy gave undertale to the pope, I wonder who's going to get the next one Deltarune?

[violet surge]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-little-girl-drinking-too-cool-chilling-yeah-whatever-gif-27534207

[wraith carbon]

people i would like to see in the game #243: Fenchurch

[rustic elk]

Fenchurch Everis? Of Eververse Fame?

That could be fun, I was about to say it wouldn’t make sense but reading his bio he is a much older guardian than I thought. Dude has been around so long that he has both been exiled and pardoned from that same exile by Zavala during the city age

Having another adventurer type character could be super fun! Especially with how eccentric he is

[wraith carbon]

His Hidden reports always had a lot of personality

[robust viper]

Our character wolf, is there any past lore about them?

[rustic elk]

Nothing overt beyond the fact that based on where they died, they were probably a member of an ill-fated squadron of Haven’s volunteer militia, as the site of your resurrection is directly in the middle of the aftermatch from a huge brawl between armed humans lead by a now deceased lightbearer, and a tonne of fallen

Wolf’s Howl (sword relic) is taken from that Lightbearer who I can only assume must’ve been the squad leader or something

[subtle wind]

mfw guardians die to random monsters all the time and couldnt even take back the moon

[prime cave]

Paracausal monsters*

[rustic elk]

Tbf we get our assess kicked by causal monsters too, the Vex

[prime cave]

Ah yes, a hive mind that has existed since before the dawn of time, capable of perfectly replicating anything causal and even replicating paracausal events to a degree = "random monsters"

[rustic elk]

Well guardians name them after monsters from Folklore, and the choices are kinda random sometimes, so technically fits the bill

Or otherwise there's the Cabal

[prime cave]

Cabal which have paracausality suppression weapons

[willow forge]

There's a lot of unknown things out there. A guardian can get caught off guard and boom, no more light

Cayde-6
Savathuns Song Strike
Eris fireteam
Saint-14
Etc

[rustic elk]

To be fair, 3/4 of those were Hive related issues, and the hive are absolutely exceptional and ruining Lightbeares' days

The vex though, they put in the work despite an abundant lack of space magic, making a vex mind just to deal with S14 is the kind of quality assurance you can expect from an enemy like them

[wraith carbon]

Black Armory lore
Yuki Satou killed a warlord and their ghost with a grenade

[rustic elk]

That's a good point, it also reminded me that Sagira nearly got rolled by a regular goblin shot

[violet surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-this-gif-12834236

[wraith carbon]

Izanagi's Burden was also capable of killing Ghosts without any paracausal effects.
Well, that depends on if radiance was paracausal or not, but considering the entire point of the Armory was to arm people outside of the Traveler I kind of doubt it.

[rustic elk]

I still don't fully get what Radiance was meant to be, all I know is I want it back because it made my guns look amazing

[wraith carbon]

That's one of the older D2 mysteries that I'd like a solid answer for

[rustic elk]

I just want Ada-1 to do something again, I adored the BA lore and I want more than just a transmog vnedor

[naive valve]

so what are the Sentries in D:R?

[muted shuttle]

We don’t know. That’s one of the fun things about D:R there’s news mysteries for us to discover because it takes place in an alternate timeline that has no connection to D2’s narrative

[wraith carbon]

If you're talking about the mechs, here's the lore page from in-game
There's a lot of murky details to discover, still

[rustic elk]

Fascinating!

[naive valve]

that one way to explain the Giant Exo head in D2, if we ever got it in Rising

[rustic elk]

That's... actually a great point! Maybe the mega-exo could have been Braytech trying to outdo Taketori! but then the collapse happened and kind scuttled that

[naive valve]

knowing Clovis, he probably tried something like that

wonder if we ever get to face Siva again?

[wraith carbon]

My honest assumption is that he was trying to build a body big enough to fit his ego
I think it still needed to be bigger

[rustic elk]

The plaguelands are coming back in Destiny 2's next season so probably - or if you mean in DR, probably less likely but possible!

[naive valve]

he probably tried that and make himself into a God

[wraith carbon]

Jolder's lore entries mention that she's searching for something in old russia

[naive valve]

sadly I quit D2 due to limited space and not wanting to give bungo money

[wraith carbon]

Her character questline might be about searching for SIVA

Or Rasputin

[rustic elk]

That would be awesome, could even introduce Felwinter or Timur that way!

[naive valve]

maybe in this alt timeline, Felwinter didnt get infected

tho I also wish the devs change the Shinka to something else
Something less Chinese

[wraith carbon]

I think Rasputin told us as such in Season of the Seraph?

We know Rasputin was ordered to kill the Traveler at least

[naive valve]

hinted to us when even Osiris couldnt stand Clovis ego

[rustic elk]

What were the Shinka? I didn't get DRCA access and haven't seen that term come up in any of the gameplay I watched

[wraith carbon]

Champions, basically

Weapons belonged to specific classes
There was Impact, Rapid, Precision, and Spread

[rustic elk]

Ah I see

[wraith carbon]

In high difficulty activities there were champions that you had to counter with those specific weapons by doing something specific

You could stun them without those weapons, but it was a lot harder

And some exotics counted as multiple types, but this was undocumented

Jotunn, being a Fusion, was Impact, but it's explosion made it count as Spread as well

[naive valve]

hope the devs address this
Wouldnt want to play as a specific character for each mission

[wraith carbon]

Rapids were the worst though
They had a specific weak point and you had to hit it with rapid fire weapons, because damage to the weak point only counted as 1 damage
Rapid Ogres were just the absolute worst

Killed a lot of my expanse runs

[naive valve]

hell, they should just let all characters use all weapon types but allow each character get a bonus when using specific weapon types

[naive valve]

D2 players have all programmed to shoot ogres with high damage, single shot weapons

this will change things

[wraith carbon]

Impacts had this frontal shield so you had to flank them.
Precisions had these like, full body sniper shields with a big dumb weak point on top. They were very rare champions and not very difficult.
And Spread (or Blast as I liked to call it) had a bunch of explosive drones that you had to blow up, preferably simultaneously

Spread champions were my favorite from a design perspective

And yeah, basically nobody calls them Shinkas

It's a Japanese word meaning "evolution", so something like Evolved would probably get the point across better

[naive valve]

yeah
Evolved sounds better

wonder in the full release will we get weapons like indebted kindness with voltshot or thing like that

[prime cave]

Impacts, in addition to the impervious shield in front, also had a full-body shield that took significantly reduced damage from non-impact weapons.
Rapid-fire shinkas took 2 damage per shot from rapid-fire weapons.
Exotics didn't count as multiple types (as shown by not receiving buffs related to a weapon type), but obviously weapons like Partridge Sky, Jotunn or Explosive Payload guns would be able to deal with spread shinkas more readily

[wind imp]

Ning fei shredded them, and vector scout hit it like a billion times too

They were super easy to deal with

For me at least

[prime cave]

Vector was patched

[wind imp]

I know ._.

[prime cave]

Now it just hits the normal three times

[wind imp]

But it did proper damage after patch

It didn’t do shi for damage until patch

Was only good at rapid shinkas

[prime cave]

Yeah bc each extra shot did 25% of base damage

[prime cave]

And tan bc he could instantly reload

So it was still a free 50% bonus

And charged his bars faster

[wind imp]

Except for the bars, izi was always better anyways because of the infinite ammo for most of the alpha

And we found a potential new way for it towards the end anyways, just much more difficult

[prime cave]

We did?

If I'm thinking of what you're thinking of, it just removes reloads, but doesn't give it infinite ammo

[wraith carbon]

Important:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268047770598772787/1307603191415967795/ScreenRecording_11-17-2024_00-59-12_1.mov?ex=682cd31e&is=682b819e&hm=18be68d0183d6042e56223e47d2b5c8844a55711219322fb92be0daa2da1c1ca&

Kabr has a pet meerkat

[simple linden]

Timon!

[prime cave]

iirc there's also an animation or lore text or smth indicating the meerkat has a battle helmet

[wraith carbon]

i didn't catch that one but it would absolutely be in character

[prime cave]

But yeah kabr is a man of the people

[rustic elk]

I love that the sit pose is the same as the one in the Bungie games

[boreal hinge]

Anyone know of a good place to find Rising lore? In writing a Destiny fic and want to indicate an alternate timeline/dimension by including bits of Rising lore and characters. Destiny pedia and Ishtar are mostly for main game

[agile heath]

As cliche as this is about to sound, I was able to make some videos that read through what lore we had in Destiny Rising...let me know if you're interested in viewing those

[plain owl]

👍

[wraith carbon]

There's been somebody on the DR subreddit posting character lore straight from the game every day for a bit
Might be a bit more difficult to find after today's news but hey

[boreal hinge]

Yes!

Good to know, thank you!

[mortal birch]

The utility that gave was far better than any damage it mightve had

[agile heath]

Sent you a friend request

[wind imp]

Never got to shine with how broken izi always was

Like the scout shredded precision shinkas but rapid fire infinite ammo izi with 6 damn shots in a mag just for fun?

[wraith carbon]

This mystery arc titan's relic appears to be his gauntlets.

hm

wish we had clearer footage
the specter of video compression haunts us

there's one prominent arc titan who had a fur mane on his armor like that

Rezzyl Azzir

[prime cave]

I can send you the link for uncompressed footage

[wraith carbon]

I would appreciate that.

[prime cave]

Sent

[wraith carbon]

much cleaner

[prime cave]

Just ignore his unrendered right arm

[wraith carbon]

indeed

[hollow perch]

I checked through all announcement and other news section, by any mean was there a mention for beta release? If so how can i get access.

I wanted to test the game myself. I have a setup that has access to samsung DeX and want to see if the game works with mouse and keyboard...

[muted shuttle]

Not yet. Check back Tomorrow

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[golden field]

Saladin?

[wraith carbon]

That actually does look more like his armor, yeah

A bit, at least

[naive valve]

Man i miss the old Cabal designs

Feel like fighting space marines than the current purple Cabal

[wraith carbon]

It is nice seeing other legions besides red and shadow again

[prime cave]

Hmm I'm gonna post the wallpapers here too where they're less likely to get buried

[wraith carbon]

Rising also has D1 phalanx instead of D2

You can't just shoot the obvious weak point on their shield to stun them

[prime cave]

Bane of my existence

[wraith carbon]

Sure did slow down a lot of Expanse runs

[wraith carbon]

The giant psion head behind the sentinel is worrying

Red Sea Rift looks pretty

[naive valve]

They nailed the old D1 atmosphere

[rustic elk]

Psion Telepaths controlling a sentinel is a terrifying concept

[violet surge]

Psion sentinel destroys the city and we gotta defeat it

[keen sail]

Good

[vivid fox]

D1 Cabal firebase energy

[eager shell]

So, did I see that right in the traile? Vex on earth?

[wraith carbon]

Indeed! They're in the Red Sea.

No idea what they're doing.

[rustic elk]

I’m guessing maybe a contingent of them followed the dust giant cabal from Mars perhaps? The Vex usually don’t like to go near earth in D1/2 canon

[eager shell]

Very wild. Vex on earth this early in the timeline is interesting.

I know this is a separate continuity and all, but very interesting

[wraith carbon]

The only time they really have was because of Asher trying to send us the scan of the veil

[eager shell]

The vex aren't on earth at all in d2 or d1, right?

Oh yeah Avalon node

[wraith carbon]

Avalon's vex network access point was in the EDZ

I also wouldn't be surprised if the Ishtar collective had brought back Vex samples to Earth

[eager shell]

Yea, that's right, it's been so long since I did that mission I forgot it is technically on edz

[eager shell]

Me neither, totally could see it.

[vapid crane]

While everything is kinda melting like, the one fallen helping in the tower is 100% gonna betray us right>

[wraith carbon]

Arc Titan had a voice line in the new trailer

Sounds aggressive

[wraith carbon]

Quite the opposite, she was a key part in us assaulting Isaakis's fortress (the first raid)

[lost igloo]

I'm big in the lore in destiny so I'm wondering what we know about the new version of the speaker and the traveler

[wraith carbon]

We know the speaker is a child
She didn't talk much in the alpha and we didn't have any quests interacting with her

Unless you were really into the card game, in which case she was the highest ranked npc player

[lost igloo]

I wasn't sure if we found any lore in the alpha

[wraith carbon]

I think Kabr had some diary entries relating to her, but I can't recall any details

[jade dune]

I love the Destiny 2 lore and was wondering about everything we know so far about Destiny: Rising

[lost igloo]

Big thing i remember is in the golden age looks like humanity played around with the light

[jade dune]

I know that and how its kinda in an alternat universe but do we know anything about the villain and characters and how it affects the current timeline? (theory, the Vex originated in this universe)

[wraith carbon]

Destiny: Rising takes place in an alternate timeline close to the founding of the Last City. There appears to have been a significant timeline divergence in the golden age, and one of the big results of that is that there's giant mech around called Sentinels. Only one of them is still alive.
Our main goal in the alpha was booting a global communications network back up so that Radegast, of the Iron Lords, can rally humanity to Haven to actually build the last city.

[prime cave]

Completely unconnected to the D2 timeline, and likely won't interact for several years, if at all. It's not just an alternate timeline, it's an alternate universe

[jade dune]

Do we know who and what the the sentanels? (...marvel lol)

[lost igloo]

I mean destiny lore has hinted and a kind of multiverse

[jade dune]

I hope eventually we get to finally know where the Vex came from.

[wraith carbon]

A company called Taketori Industries created the Sentinels as a competitor to Braytech's Warmind technology.

[jade dune]

War like competitor or product?

[wraith carbon]

Competitor as in product

They created the Sentinels as an alternative means for Earth's defense

[jade dune]

Is it hero selection or completely customizable like in D2

[wraith carbon]

We kind of do?
One of the Shadowkeep lore books implies they're the original "final shape" of reality before Light and Dark interacted with the fabric of reality.
It's a weird lore book.

[wraith carbon]

It's a gacha, so it's hero based

[lost igloo]

Hero based but they did change the wepon lock like people suggested

[prime cave]

yeah I mean they explore alternate timelines a lot but they made it pretty clear this isn't just an alternate timeline that D2 could interact with, it's a separate universe entirely

[wraith carbon]

This is theorized and not directly confirmed.

[prime cave]

about as much connection as Halo

[wraith carbon]

There's strong evidence that Wolf isn't weapon locked at least

[prime cave]

it's possible that Wolf can wield multiple weapon types but we have 0 info that any other characters can

and lots of info indicating they can't

[lost igloo]

That would be sad

[prime cave]

primordial beings like the Ahamkara and Worms

[lost igloo]

There are the 7 eggs

[jade dune]

No, the Vex were told to be from a different reality/universe

[wraith carbon]

Worms a little less so, we know the origins of the worms
Rhulk uplifted them

[prime cave]

...because they were "in the Garden" prior to this universe existing

as were the Ahamkara

[jade dune]

...and where did the black garden come from?

[prime cave]

wait really? that's new lore, where's that from

[wraith carbon]

Witch Queen

[lost igloo]

There manipulation of time could just be switching timelines with that thoughts

[prime cave]

the Garden, not the Black Garden

[wraith carbon]

With a side of Season of the Deep

[weak blade]

Season of the Deep was a good lore dump.

[lost igloo]

The garden was a point before time and the universe

[prime cave]

the Garden before the universe existed wasn't an actual, physical thing, because there was no such thing as physical things. It was a pre-existence, with only the Gardener, Winnower, Vex (the pattern of the flowers), Ahamkara, and maybe a few other things

the Vex as we know them are the physical manifestation of the pattern of the flowers

[lost igloo]

There is the theory from deep that the black garden is the garden with the big stump being the tree of silver wings from the garden

[pastel token]

Is Destiny Rising going to be the first instance of a multiverse in Destiny?

[wraith carbon]

Yes and no.
Elsie Bray's entire thing is that she jumps between timelines and sees alternate realities, some of which are pretty wildly different to what we experienced in the game.

[prime cave]

no, we've already explored alternate timelines many times through vex shenanigans, and the 30th anniversary dealt with alternate universes in Eternity

[wraith carbon]

But this is the first time we've really played at length in an alternate universe.

[pastel token]

Ah! Thank you for clearing that up for me 😄

Very excited for this game, really hoping to get into the Beta.

[rustic elk]

Tbh imagine the sheer terror lore fans would have if elsie just randomly shows up in the game eventually. Would immediately seal the fate of the rising timeline 😂

[willow cove]

Imma get Byf on the horn

[rustic elk]

(Unless you count halo)

[wraith carbon]

Eh, I don't. I think the Bungie Monomyth is definitely interesting and worth talking about, but I don't consider it an actual multiverse of Bungie's franchises, more like the common framework they were built off of.

[rustic elk]

That's super fair

[wet wren]

so why does Ikora have hair

[weak blade]

Because there is no reason(to my knowledge) in the lore, that says she didn’t when she was younger.

[wet wren]

theoretically shouldn't it be dead and not grow? if we lack a heartbeat as a Guardian, and instead move and speak because of the Light, then Ikora, too, should be more... corpse-like?

or does the Traveller for whatever reason allow hair regrowth?

Space MagicTM

[rustic elk]

Ikora has hair in Destiny 1 & 2 as well, she just cuts it extremely short. We have never seen an ikora with any design besides her City-Era vanguard appearance, so it could stand to reason that her hair was longer when she was revived, but she cuts it down these days?

[weak blade]

This. Most reasonable assumption.

[rustic elk]

Plus it is worth mentioning, although guardians are definitely some form of undead, their bodies still work like human bodies in many ways, they still feel hunger, fatigue, their cells still progress (some guardians have shown signs of aging but are reset to peak health upon dying or reuniting with a ghost) can grow facial hair (Drifter), exos can even modify themselves and those modifications persist through revival. There seems to be a lot of "ego" derived in a lightbearer's resurrection, you are revived based on what you consider, you

What's really baffling me however, is why does Maru have an eyepatch, I cannot fathon why someone would be resurrected without an eye when the traveler has previously been noted do undo any physical deviation upon first reusrrection. Or maybe Maru has an eye under there but just keeps it for low-light engagements, at which point, why not just use a flashlight or a little light energy lol

This is also why I think D2's appearance customisation (whenever a loretab dares go near it) will probably explain that deepsight or the pale heart has something to do with how guardians change their faces, they use the psychological aspects of the dark to reinstate what their self perception is, so that the next time they are revived it is more inline with their newly-altered self perception, but that is firmly headcanon for now lol

[naive valve]

ellaborate pls

[wraith carbon]

The game is hero based, because instead of a fully customizable character you have specific characters with unique skills. There was an assumption based on some old footage that these characters would no longer be locked to specific weapons, like the alpha, but I personally no longer believe this to be the case.

[wraith carbon]

so we're in agreement that this is almost certainly warmind tech right

[mighty island]

oh yea

[noble dragon]

What revision zero wanted to be

[mighty island]

look like revision and we gave it and underbarrel attachment

[wraith carbon]

revision -1

[violet surge]

Flame thrower attachment?!?

[wraith carbon]

It makes crit spots around the target
Shoot them for massively boosted damage

Estela's going to be even more of a beast with primary pulse divinity

[violet surge]

Was hoping for flamethrower 🥲🥲 I wanna burn some hive to dust

[severe oar]

Yes.

[weak blade]

100%

[wraith carbon]

The new lightbearer lore:

Xuan Wei

A master tactician whose combat doctrine revolves around overwhelming force. His Arc abilities allow him to tear through enemy lines with devastating efficiency, creating openings for his fireteam to exploit. His Super, Juggernaut's Dominance, transforms him into a primordial divine beast of unmatched ferocity, unleashing devastating claw strikes that crush enemies while forcefully repelling them across the battlefield.

Umeko

A disciplined shadow-walker who elevates stealth to an art form. Umeko's Void techniques allow her to slip between dimensions, providing her allies with amplification while remaining unseen. Her tactical support abilities provide team-wide enhancements, while her Super, Singularity Shuriken, can slice through space itself, creating a brief singularity to destroy her foes.

(i do not have a picture of her)

[wraith carbon]

rip my pet theory that he was Rezzyl Azzir

it was a stretch to begin with

This thing is pretty

I think it's from the Heron foundry
Looks a lot like some of the mythics from the alpha

An example of a Heron foundry sniper rifle from the alpha, courtesy of a post in #in-game-highlights

[gray palm]

[prime cave]

Note there's also a bow from the Heron foundry

[wraith carbon]

That's a new one right?

[prime cave]

Well yes since there were no bows in the alpha

But if you're asking if it's from D2, it isn't

[wraith carbon]

Straight up, brain skipped a beat and forgot that that was the case

I wonder if Umeko uses bows

[prime cave]

Sentinel tech*

Rahhhh wtf is a warmind

(Don't tell me they're already canon and Rasputin has been mentioned)

(It's true but I don't want to hear it)

(Bigass robot)

[wraith carbon]

Honestly it would be cooler as sentinel tech anyways

Also the ability to make crit spots that amplify damage is going to go crazy with estela
who gave the dragon lady divinity, and why

[rustic elk]

Wait am I dumb? Is the "Heron" Foundry supposed to be the brains behind Arbalest from D2 - it is noted to be a dark-age era weapon, and the patterns/decals we have seen on their weapons looks quite similar

Oh arbalest literally has a bird on its magazine lol

I am blind

[rapid hornet]

I hope they add the black spindle from d1. I use to play d1 alot but not much d2 when it launched

[wraith carbon]

So, Taniks did some digging in old screenshots and found this, which has the Heron foundry logo in the background

That is indeed the logo on the side of Arbalest's magazine

Good catch, Heron made Arbalest

[shadow ibex]

Not just that. Arbalest's exotic trait symbol is also the same bird

[wraith carbon]

Ah, that's what I was thinking of while we were investigating the Heron origin trait

[shadow ibex]

It is indeed all connected

[wraith carbon]

This is a pretty neat connection

Rising's setting is like, fresh out of the dark ages

[shadow ibex]

I mean it literally is right after the downfall of the golden age

[wraith carbon]

No, it's not that soon. There were a couple centuries of dark ages before the city age.

This is the very beginning of the city age.

[jade tinsel]

Quick dumb question, is this mobile game like the prequel to destiny? Like we’ll be able to see the vanguards origin story kind of thing? Or am I too hopeful for such thing

[prime cave]

It's before the main Destiny story but in a different timeline/universe, so it's not a prequel

Stuff before Rising didn't happen in main Destiny and stuff after might not either

[jade tinsel]

I see. So we won’t see our typical enemies from destiny either?

[prime cave]

We'll see the same races, but probably not the same individual enemies, besides ancient threats like Hive Gods

[jade tinsel]

Gotcha. Thanks

[wraith carbon]

To my recollection, we haven't seen specific Fallen that we'd recognize from Destiny, but Crota did make an appearance to threaten Ikora.

Cabal only had like, realms of the ix appearances, and Vex weren't in the game at all

[rustic elk]

As others have said, It’s a divergent timeline that seems to have had a really different Golden Age and somewhat altered collapse, but the post-collapse era feels oddly-faithful?

The Last City is being set-up, the iron lords are being the iron-lords,etc crota has started making moves and we are sorta cozy with the ahamkara before the hunts, and Ikora-Rey is already a character doing espionage stuff

The only real canon breaks are the Tree of Light, Vex & Cabal on earth. Everything else, even the sentinels can be written around pretty reasonably if this was maincanon

[naive valve]

I hope NetEase won't remove the enemy variety like Bungie did

[weak blade]

What do you mean?

[rustic elk]

Enemy Variety seems fine, All of the D2 Fallen and Hive seem to be here, and the Vex and Cabal seem to be back as they were pre-beyond light

[naive valve]

in D2 orignally had enemies with various skins and textures
Now it's only one or two subfactions in a faction

[rustic elk]

Ohhh you meant their subfactions

[naive valve]

I just don't want to fight against House Salvation and Shadow Legion again

the purple ruined my eyes

[rustic elk]

Well it's sand-eater cabal and house of devils fallen iirc

[naive valve]

miss the Sand Eater and Dust Giant

[rustic elk]

Vex are from the mainline hivemind and the Hive are Crota's brood and have unique designs

[weak blade]

Hmm what an interesting take. I don’t agree in broad terms. The situation in D2 at the moment is lore reasons for mainly House Salvation and Shadow Legion.

But, good to see another opinion on it!

[rustic elk]

At least house of exiles are back in Edge of Fate!

[naive valve]

lore reason is completely justified but gameplay-wise, it sucks

[weak blade]

Yeah I can understand that 🙂.

[weak blade]

This is true! Pretty hyped for this.

[lofty vessel]

Radaghast is a warlord right? cant completely remember if he was a warlord or ironlord

[wraith carbon]

Radegast is the founder of the Iron Lords

[weak blade]

Iron Lord, the Iron Lord.

[rustic elk]

Radegast is an iron lord, and founder of the Iron Lords, who essentially were an anti-warlord peacekeeping force for much of their post-dark age career

excuse my typos i am silly lol

[lofty vessel]

Alright then. So salad man shouldn't be a problem

[wraith carbon]

Saladin's already an iron lord in DR

[prime cave]

We're meeting up with him in the Beta in RSR

[wraith carbon]

Finnala works for him

[lofty vessel]

Wolf is bound to become an iron lord.

Tbf they are kinda radehast's apprentice

[rustic elk]

Wolf probably becomes an iron lord by the end of whatever the game''s core throughline campaign is

[naive valve]

I dont think the storyline would end soon

Wolf becoming an Iron Lord would be the prologue chapters

[heavy vessel]

Destiny has lore ??

[wraith carbon]

no it's all a figment of our imaginations

[heavy vessel]

Lol maybe, but I'm curious.

What is the lore

[wraith carbon]

That is a very big question. The franchise is like 11 years old and has had yearly story updates since coming out.
Bottom line: at some point in the future a big alien sphere we dubbed the Traveler arrives in the solar system and begins terraforming moons and planets. Everybody was freaked out, and we decided to meet it on Mars. This ushers in a Golden Age of humanity, and we unlock interplanetary travel, improved medicine, sophisticated AI, etc.
The problem is that the Traveler has been being chased around the universe for eons by the Black Fleet, a foe it's had for eons. They reach the Sol system and practically raze it to the ground to try to capture the Traveler. It fights back, and the Fleet is forced to retreat. The Traveler is forced into hibernation to survive, but it leaves Ghosts, little drones that know their purpose is to find a human and bring them back to life.
That's where we come in: Lightbearers are humans (and two sub varieties of humanity, exos and awoken) who were resurrected by a Ghost and can wield the Light to do, basically, space magic.

Unfortunately it didn't really give ghosts any guidance other than the feeling that they have a chosen one out there somewhere who they should resurrect. The first lightbearers were some right bastards and subjugated humanity in a newfound Dark Age. We also had to deal with alien invaders who were also seeking the Traveler, and it was just a bad time.

Destiny Rising takes place right after a group of lightbearers banded together to stop the dark age warlords and uplift humanity to survive and fight off the alien invaders.

There's just, so much more to it though, I would look up some videos. My Name is Byf is Destiny's unofficial community lorekeeper, and Bungie themselves have made some good introductory videos talking about the plot leading up to last year's expansion and what's coming up next month.

[heavy vessel]

Damn that's actually sounds way to deeper than I expected.

Appreciate the rundown

[rustic elk]

Destiny has imo some of the most dense lore in the mainstream modern gaming scene. Their writing team leaves so few stones unturned throughout the mythology and history of this franchise's lore. It feels almost starwars-like in the way every little detail (including developer things like balance patches for abilities and weapons) has been canonised by Bungie in some way, shape or form, and it really seems from what I have seen that Netease's team have done astonishing work in maintaining that narrative integrity in Destiny Rising

[wraith carbon]

in the way every little detail (including developer things like balance patches for abilities and weapons)
One of my favorite things is the acknowledgment in-lore that Stasis nerfed itself so that Guardians would be more willing to accept it.

[median scroll]

Ahamkara shenanigans

[heavy vessel]

WOW 🤯

[rustic elk]

Naughty Cabal get put in the Ahamkara Rotisserie

[naive valve]

Lorewise: The Cabals in DR are scouts sent by the bigger Empire

Made out of old and less combat-readied veterans

[hazy notch]

I’m sad lord Saladin is a vendor since that means he probably won’t be a playable character

[wraith carbon]

It is not uncommon for gachas to include NPCs as playable characters in the future

Also I don't think he's going to be the RSR vendor, I think that's going to be Union President Harrow

[hazy notch]

I guess that’s true since they never confirmed it, I just want home and Zavala to be playable in the future lol

[wraith carbon]

Almost certainly will be

[warped temple]

is my boy drifter in rising? and will he be a potential character

[wraith carbon]

He's going by Wu Ming at this point in time, and he hosts the card game Shadowshapers.

[warped temple]

🔥

[wraith carbon]

I'm not sure if he's going to be a playable character, it's kind of impossible to say.
His character in general is about avoiding fights, however.

But like, alternative universe, who knows.

Shadowshapers is basically Destiny Gwent, it was decently fun

[warped temple]

cool

[heavy vessel]

Cat chase rat

[wraith carbon]

He witnessed humanity's golden era, he fell in a titanic clash with the "gods." Now, he slumbers, safeguarding these crimson lands. 🔴
the "gods"? 🤔

hope that means we'll learn more about the kaiju skeletons

[prime cave]

Ahamkara fr

[median scroll]

Seems like the Ahamkara had their own factions, like ones that sided with humanity and otherwise. Kind of obvious but hope to see more lore about it.

Were these skeletons made before or after the collapse?

[prime cave]

Unknown

Presumably after, I don't think ahamkara appeared at all until after

[rustic elk]

If we use the Bungie Timeline, it seems Ahamkara weren't a consistently present aspect of earth life until the Awoken were more commonplace, so I'd agree with it being after

[median scroll]

Whats also a thread that can/will be explored is that death isn't quite the end for Ahamkara and their bones can carry their conciousness too. So anyone could potentially interact with these remains, good intentions or not.

[prime cave]

As it seems the cabal are trying to do

[median scroll]

True true

[rustic elk]

I wonder what kind of narrative interaction we'll see between this unknown ahamkara fossil and Morgran and/or Estela?

[median scroll]

Hopefully we get to draw for Estela this time around

[prime cave]

She's featured pretty prominently in the trailers and ads so I would assume yes

[dense token]

I didn’t get a chance to do the alpha I hope to do the beta

[steady valve]

i get the code but i click ios, why the chat is dissapear??? i dont remember the code!

[weak blade]

Please remember that the Closed Beta is Region Locked to US and Canada. So, even if you are able to get a code, you may not be able to play the Closed Beta.

[weak blade]

@analog smelt

[steady valve]

the police call attention

i got it no problem

i have the code thnks ahahhaahaha

[prime hawk]

oof it does go away fast thats why i take a picture/screenshot fast.

[halcyon shore]

wait seriously?! where can I find that info cuz that sounds awesome to know

please ping me with a reply, lol

[prime cave]

Witch Queen Collector's Edition lore book

[halcyon shore]

GOTCHA ty ty ty

[wraith carbon]

The Witch Queen collector's edition book has a bunch of letters in it, and one of them is about how Stasis has changed itself to be less...hostile.

[prime cave]

The virulence of Stasis against other Guardians has generally decreased. Withering Blade doesn't bite so deep or freeze so solid. Glacial Quake won't catch so many cold footed. Now why is this?
...
Why would Stasis weaken its effect against other Guardians? I'll tell you exactly why. Same reason a virus evolves a strain that won't kill its host. People were turning against Stasis, didn't like what it was doing to their Crucible. So Stasis made itself nicer. So we'd keep on using it. If Stasis was better than what the Traveler gave us we wouldn't be able to accept it as just another colorful species of whoopass. We might get scared of it.

But this way it's nice and balanced. Everything kept in proper balance. And doesn't "balance" sound like a goal worth striving for?

[halcyon shore]

thats actually amazing

bungie literally trying to save their beyond light narrative AND explaining the menace that is freeze in crucible being nerfed

[wraith carbon]

There's also some weapon lore tabs talking about crucible firmware? Which explains the sandbox for crucible being different than PvE.

[halcyon shore]

fair

i got that gist off of "shaxx's training weights" being a modifier

[rustic elk]

Suros Regime got a "Firmware Update" from the maufacturer after it had took the meta by storm for a few weeks

[wraith carbon]

I knew it was a Y1 gun lore entry

I thought it was on Mida MT

[rustic elk]

It is!

Also I think sapphire banned the word sextant?

Nvm it worked this time

[wraith carbon]

Must've been a different word in the entry

[prime cave]

no, it doesn't allow messages over a certain length

based on lines

[rustic elk]

Ahhhh

[heavy vessel]

Which part of lore are you discussing

[solar sky]

Is this back on

[rustic elk]

Previously we were talking about how the Bungie Destiny Games did the fun thing of canonising buffs, nerfs and balance passes!

[lofty sphinx]

[mighty marten]

Can i get a code please?

[latent shard]

Is the witness alive in destiny rising ?

If yes, pls give code

[mint hemlock]

why does this man have a baby Ahamkara

[wraith carbon]

Morgran's not a baby, he's just small
As to why...I do not remember.

[mighty barn]

He has a deal with morgran which allows him to live among us. It will ask be explained if you didn't play the alpha

[rustic elk]

Theoretically? Yes. They’re probably chilling in their pyramid ship outside the border of sol as they were until D2 vanilla, but also this iteration of the traveler seems a bit more active than the classical version so maybe that’s changed things?

[thin tusk]

ok question. Supposedly DR is an AU of D1/D2 right? well does that mean that the Traveler is in a slightly different spot on Earth or does the map in DR give us our closest area yet of where the Last city is? I looked at the World map earlier and that's the West Coast of North America. Haven is either in Oregan, Washington, or British Colombia Canada, and you can see the Traveler in the distance, which Radeghast says a city is being built under it.

So is this just the Traveller being in a different spot on Earth in this reality, or a more concrete indication of where the Last city/ traveler is in all realities?

[wraith carbon]

When Jiangshi Metro is mentioned to Wolf, they say something like "but that's twelve thousand miles away"
The world map also doesn't move that far when you select it, and the red sea seems off, too

The collapse really messed with earth's coastlines
Remember, people in the destiny universe think Antarctica is a myth because there's nowhere that icy anymore

[glass dust]

No.

[rocky sparrow]

wait....so this is alternate universe right?

[thin parcel]

Yep

[modern cradle]

I believe so

[wraith carbon]

Yes, it's an alternate universe at the very beginning of the city age

[heavy vessel]

Lore dropin

[opaque plaza]

Confirmed alt universe prequel or standard prequel?

[rustic elk]

Confirmed to be an “alternate destiny timeline”

It already is technically "lore-breaking" just in extremely mild and explainable ways with the sole exception of the Tree of Light, nothing's explaining where that went haha

[warm oyster]

Can I please receive my code

[twin wind]

I wish I could get a code, been a guardian since D1, and D2 is really life draining lately, this mobile game looks mint!!

[sweet ermine]

then i mustve missread cuz i swear an announcment said that

[weak blade]

#💭│main-chat message

[wispy charm]

Confirmed alternate timeline at the beginning of the city age.

NetEase tends to do alternate timelines of IPs they work on. It gives them more creative control.

[weak blade]

And with how rich the Destiny Universe lore is.... It's a perfect match.

[wraith carbon]

apologies to everyone to whom i claimed morgran was not a baby and was just really small
he is in fact quite young

[hexed bobcat]

I think this is one of the smartest decisions they could've made.
Destiny is too thick and mired in bombastic lore.

[weak blade]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocked-nope-no-do-not-want-gif-15789809

[unborn needle]

Yeah lowkey this game could litearlly mog Destiny 1 and 2s Campagin content if it just does what its doing

because for one, DR has actual character moments

[wraith carbon]

gwynn's character quest was really cool and i'm looking forward to seeing it continue

spoilers for gwynn's character quest: ||The Sword Logic influence on a lightbearer whose main goal in life is to permanently kill evildoers is really neat and very Destiny.||

[hexed bobcat]

||Lightbearer does not historically mean defeater of evil (ex. Warlords from pre-guardian days)||

[wraith carbon]

You are completely misunderstanding the statement. This is about a specific character, not a generalization of lightbearers.

[opaque plaza]

Makes sense to me.

[wary magnet]

I'm glad that way they can potentially do some crazy stuff and the mainline game can be it's own thing

[turbid citrus]

Well yeah cause its an alternative universe set in the early days of the Iron Lords

[wide bolt]

did we actually murk Ir Anuk or is she not dead

[wraith carbon]

Ir Anuk is an ascendant hive. Killing an ascendant hive doesn't permanently kill them, it sends them to their throne world.
We may have been in the ascendant realm, but we were not inside of her throne world.

[true remnant]

I always assumed that Zavala would be the striker titan character, but with Awoken not being introduced yet, I can see them making a new character as a stand in. Still a little disappointed though.

[wraith carbon]

Skorri is Awoken, as is Umeko

[true remnant]

Really? I didn't notice.

So going to be THAT guy. I just checked and Skorri just has a painted face. I could still be wrong though.

[robust kelp]

As someone who has minimal knowledge on the series lore as a whole could someone give me a brief rundown on what I need to know to understand this game and maybe a little recap of what this game is like without spoiling anything important

I've just finished the one mission where I trialed the warlock lady in the alt dimension of the metro and I'm a little lost

[prime cave]

Her in-game model isn't finished (or she's hiding her awoken status) but when she talks or when you see her in a Shadowshaper game she is very obviously Awoken

That's most definitely not just a painted face

[wraith carbon]

Which trial with the warlock lady in the alt dimension of the metro?
two nickels etc.

[prime cave]

Lmao

[true remnant]

Well, egg on my face then.

Not ashamed to admit that I'm wrong

[wraith carbon]

Unusual for a gamer on discord tbh

[robust kelp]

One towards the beginning of the game where you first fight the hive

[wraith carbon]

Ikora then

[robust kelp]

Yessir, that looks right

Names in destiny are hard to keep up with imo

[wraith carbon]

What are you lost on? The Hive in general?

[robust kelp]

No actually I know about all the different enemy types from previous destiny games.
I've played a little bit of each and I'm interested in the lore of destiny as a whole so I know more than someone who's never touched any of it.
I guess I'm lost as to what the general point of the plot is up to where I'm at now

Like I know the ghost found wolf, we've been recruited by the iron Lord guy (I have no clue what an iron Lord is) we've helped the metro place, I've recruited the one guy with the shield relic. I guess I'm lost as to where the plot is going or really what's happened so far other than overall story beats

[wraith carbon]

Currently we're helping outposts fight major forces to help form alliances with Haven in the hopes of bringing them into the fold to form the Last City

[robust kelp]

Which sounds like I'm not lost but I feel lost

[wraith carbon]

The big one being the House of Devils and their space fortress above Jiangshi Metro

[robust kelp]

Yeah I have no clue what the house of devils is either

Little stuff like that is stuff I wish was explained a little better but maybe I'll find out later

I'm impatient

[wraith carbon]

One of the Fallen houses
Their society is split up into great houses, Devils being one of the bigger ones

The Devils have a lot of Splicers in their fold, so they have a fascination with technology and using it to upgrade themselves

Do you recall where the Archives are in Haven?
Go touch this thing, it'll open up the glossary so you can peruse terms and stuff at your leisure

[robust kelp]

What is a splicer? Is that something I can find in the glossary?

[robust kelp]

Can most of my potential questions be answered in the glossary?

[wraith carbon]

Probably

[robust kelp]

Bet, thank you

[subtle linden]

a splicer is a job within a fallen house (going to use D1/D2 lore to explain) theyre almost like a combination of technology experts and ripperdocs from cyberpunk. they are tasked with understanding the technology a house has like fixing servitors and shanks, or repairing ketches. the devil splicers were the sect of fallen that got their hands on siva durring rise of iron and the siva crisis back in D1, which the splicers fused siva with their bodies to try and accend to godhood

[wraith carbon]

"job" is a bit of a weird descriptor
i know "priest" can often be described as a job, but yeah, they're tech priests

[median prairie]

Look up im am byf

[jolly rapids]

Cant wait to figure out the lore implication for|| Vex being 70km under the red sea||

[prime cave]

I mean it seems like they weren't there until Wolf's wish

The wish caused them to appear there to combat the cabal

[jolly rapids]

I thought the wish spawned the activation key. though I may be missing some info

[wide bolt]

we wished for the vex?

[jolly rapids]

We wished for a war machine to destroy the cabal

And the second region has a past tense Ahamkara

[prime cave]

rahhhhh we're getting osiris lore (idk how I triggered these)

Encryption Level: A
Identification Code: UHGT-Y00OS-IK01
Sender: Osiris
Recipient: Ikora
Subject: I Was Right

Ikora, concerning the matter we were arguing about last time, I can now give you a straight answer--I was right, no question.

I can say this because I now stand before that very same door.

I'm not one for making bets, but you said that if I was right, you would cover for me at all Vanguard meetings for the next three months. I'm counting on you to keep your word, as I might not be able to make it back in time.

They'll have questions for you--a lot of them. But you can handle yourself. You've always managed. In fact, I think you might be better suited for the role than me--I know you'll disagree, but I have to say it.

Considering how my coordinates on the timeline will change unpredictably once I step through the door, I wouldn't want you to receive this message years, or even decades from now. So, I've set up three delayed deliveries--before entering, during, and after. The content of each message is the same, but remember to tell me the timestamps and corresponding identification codes when you receive them. Furthermore, if I don't contact you again, and you don't receive the third letter, tell the council that they should seal that door shut. I've already mailed you the "key," which you should find in your mail tomorrow.

Encryption Level: A
Identification Code: WTKD-1YS78-XX32
Sender: Osiris
Recipient: Ikora
Subject: That Wasn't "Me"
RE: I Was Right

This is indeed peculiar. I'm certain that message didn't come from my communicator--I did not write it, nor did Sagira.

After checking the IP address, I've arrived at two interesting conclusions:

1. The serial number of the communicator that sent this message is identical to my own.

2. The message was sent from Venus.

However, as you stated, there are multiple obvious falsehoods that could lead one to asssume it was a practical joke:

1. I have never set foot on Venus.

2. Neither you nor I know of this "Vanguard" organization, the "door" mentioned, or the bet we allegedly have.

3. My communicator has no record of sending such a message, and both Sagira and I have no memory of writing it.

As you know, the Ishtar Collective was conducting studies on Venus before the Collapse. I managed to get my hands on some info from the more intact research facilities, which detail the existence of something unprecedentedly ancient on Venus--far older than it "ought" to be. They hypothesize the existence of another dimension on Venus, or rather, a force capable of altering time and space.

Regardless of whether this message's contents hold water, I have to say--its writer matched my style to a T.

Thus, I have come to a conclusion--one that I'm sure you, too, have arrived at: This message came from the future.

Or rather, it was sent by my future self.

Just think, Ikora. If I got curious and headed to Venus, stumbled upon this amazing power, and actually managed to open the door to some unknown dimension, would I go in?

I absolutely would. I'd step right in and relay all my findings to you, because I value your counsel and your objective, rational point of view.

That's why you're receiving this message.

Sagira had an interesting thought regarding this "Vangaurd" organization: If, when it is eventually established, it is named based on the contents of that message, would it not form a classic time paradox?

I doubt I would actually join an organization with such obvious political ties, though, let alone help lead it. It goes without saying, but the idea is positively preposterous.

As for the other message, I'm particularly interested in the "key" it mentions. If you do receive it--though it's highly unlikely you will--be sure to forward a copy to me.

@jolly rapids looks like they might be explaining exactly why the Vex are there, and we're getting into VoG lore and the Vanguard

[hollow basin]

Hello everyone im a ranger in the army I have a 5 day rest and would love to try the game i did pre register but wasn't chosen would anyone by any chance have a extra code to be able to play if possible if so thank you and God bless

[prime cave]

New accounts can no longer be activated, even if you were given a code

[hollow basin]

Well that sucks for me ok well thanks

[weak blade]

That was a very interesting to read. I’ve always loved Osiris lore, so that was awesome to read from a prequel standpoint alone. The nods to the Vault of Glass are awesome, very cool indeed.

[wraith carbon]

Here's a dump of all of the foundry lore tabs for those curious

[weak blade]

I’m struggling to find a suitable GIF that expresses my love for what I am reading, bear with.

[wraith carbon]

Sidenote: all of the Riviks and Wright weapons are named after foods. Some Earth, mostly Eliksni snacks.

[rustic elk]

Holy cow we are getting actual timeline bleedover stuff, I love this

[mossy needle]

Can I ask why Ikora, who is famous for her usage of a shotgun in Shaxx's crucible, can't equip a shotgun?

Seems backwards.

And yes, I know that stuff comes later but come on.

[rustic elk]

Put simply it’s due to balancing, as much of her kit is about drawing enemies in so explosives are more effective

[mossy needle]

Gotcha.

[naive valve]

Maybe alt universe Ikora

[tawdry tree]

Might hint towards a raid

[prime cave]

it is a raid

this is the foundry for the RSR raid weapons

[tawdry tree]

Interesting

[humble wind]

they tried; her ghosts name is accurate (I never knew the name of her ghost until I saw it in destiny rising and was like "is this canon")

[rustic elk]

Ophiuchus yeah, NE have done more than their fair share of homework, but gameplay fun trumps all

[humble wind]

the description matches the personality of the ghost in d2

[rustic elk]

Yeah, I do wish his canon Ghost shell was in the game, but tbf it's close enough to most traditional ghost shells that it's not a big deal

[humble wind]

"I am a calming influence. I encourage her to think before she acts and not to let her emotions get the best of her."
— Ophiuchus on his relationship with Ikora

[humble wind]

Yeah if they ever add someone like Osiris and his ghost I will expect a custom Sagira shell tho.

I think some ghosts need to break the mold but most don't

Because some look way different in d2

[rustic elk]

Especially this early in the city age, dolling up one's ghost isn't abundantly high on the totem pole so it's fair enough haha, but I do hope one day that delightful angel on Ikora's shoulder (metaphorically speaking) gets his due duds

[rustic elk]

D2 was the first game to introduce the non-spherical ghost cases, the ones you can see in the Starlight shell, the water-melon shell, the Crazy 8 shell and that white and gold splotch shell (I haven't seen most of those designs since like forsaken era D2 so my memory of the names is shoddy) but yeah they get really out there designwise

[proven python]

Her role in the game is more of a long range nuker and unfortunately a shotgun might not fit this play style.

[iron hornet]

So I have some questions about the lore in Destiny Rising:

•Other places on Earth: Old Chicago, Cosmodrone
•Lakshmi-2
•Lord Felwinter
•Lady Efrideet
•Warlord Shaxx
•The Awoken

[wraith carbon]

In order:

• Unknown
• Not mentioned yet
• Exists, not directly mentioned
• Exists, not directly mentioned
• Mentioned briefly in a flavor text, but that flavor text is from D2 so debatable canon. Crucible is directly mentioned in a codex entry, but as a general ritualistic combat thing rather than an organization led by Shaxx.
• Skorri is Awoken, Umeko might be Awoken, but they're very rare right now.

I think Kabr's diary might talk about Shaxx too? Can't recall. Dude's got a special interest in Lightbearer legends, including making his own.

[prime cave]

Technically though it appears that all of D1/2 is canon to D:R, but not necessarily vice-versa, through the Infinite Forest/Vault of Glass

[wraith carbon]

That too

Ikora received a missive from D2 timeline Osiris through Vex shenanigans

[prime cave]

Would be absolutely wild if D2 dropped a lore card with one of the other messages he sent

Since it does say he sent 3 identical messages before, after, and while in the Vault

[iron hornet]

Thank you very much for the reply

[rustic elk]

If the two games ever do like an Eververse crossover or something to that effect that seems like a super likely outcome lol, hide a bunch of lorecards in the VoG raid or something lol

[wraith carbon]

it's possible the Edge of Fate raid is a Vex raid

There's also timeline breaking stuff on Kepler anyways

I know for a fact Hunters would enjoy having Wolf's armor, though

And unlike other crossover sets, Bungie wouldn't really have to pay anything for licensing! It would just make sense!

[prime cave]

Just a shame the RSR raid is an Ahamkara raid instead of Vex

I mean Ahamkara raid is cool af just means no crossover

[iron hornet]

That sounds really cool! This Ahamkara must be very powerful to go toe to toe against a Sentinel centuries ago. Or maybe it's heavily weakened. I wonder if it will be similar to the Riven fight.

[wraith carbon]

Well, the Ahamkara got killed by the Sentinel, but death for an Ahamkara is kind of a non-issue.

Red Sea Rift Spoilers: ||The Ahamkara's power somehow got transferred to a woman named Harrow, who became the union president of the mining town of Veridia. She borderline exiled herself out of town because she can hear people's desires and subconsciously keeps granting them. This is how the Vex are on Earth. Wolf wished for "a weapon that could defeat the Cabal", and Ahamkara wish magic brought a Vex artifact there. The Vex seemed to already be sleeping under the sea, but it's possible Ahamkara reality warping made them always there.
After the events of the RSR campaign, she exiled herself from town fully and got called into a cave by a voice, seemingly the Ahamkara. All hints point at the next Gauntlet being stopping whatever is happening and killing the Ahamkara permanently.||

[prime cave]

(Here's the lore for the onslaught weapons)

[iron hornet]

Ah ok I forgot it got "killed" in it's physical form. I wonder if the raid would have Vex & Cabal scattered thought the underground area.

[wraith carbon]

Blitz will almost certainly be split between the two

One of the Jiangshi blitzes has Hive in it instead of Fallen

Onslaught might be dedicated Cabal

[prime cave]

Hive are JSM tho

That specific blitz wasn't in space, so it's perfectly reasonable that Hive had overtaken that facility

[wraith carbon]

The Blitz was us ascending the space elevator. Hack in particular was us taking out some of "isaakis's twisted experiments"

Splicers have a history in the franchise of wanting to experiment on the Hive.

[narrow geode]

Made some changes to automod so we can now send longer messages in this channel

[wraith carbon]

Appreciate it, Don

[prime cave]

Hallelujah

[wraith carbon]

The lore tab for Furies III is... intriguing

Dear Mr. Bray,

...The conflicts between RR, DB, and myself grow more intense by the day. From our standpoint, DB's personality has drastically changed since Lethal Neuron's founding. We tried every possible way to talk sense into him, tried to convince him to readjust the research direction of Lethal Neuron's next-gen product, and yet... ...As a wise man once said, "Perseus needs a cap of invisibility to capture monsters, and yet we use the cap to cover our eyes and ears so that we can turn a blind eye to the existence of the monsters."

The only threat humankind will face is the shadow from the void-this is a consensus we and DB could never reach. Individual weapon systems are hardly useful in defense warfare against future alien invasions. We are wasting massive amounts of our research budget to move in the wrong direction, straying further and further from the right path...

...DB mobilized the board to thoroughly shelve the "Deep Space Mind" project headed by RR and myself, and he shifted our research achievement in warfare artificial intelligence to his next-gen individual defense project-his so-called "inheritance." This is beyond our tolerance...

We look forward to meeting you soon!

I don't recognize these initials

[naive valve]

I find it funny that the final boss Buhr sounds like Destiny Vay Hek

[remote escarp]

hello lore chat

[iron hornet]

Very interesting lore. Is the message to Clovis Bray? He's already been referenced twice in Rising. One of CB's logos pops up in the opening cinematic intro, & Ikora's relic 'The Ringed Star' directly has his name on it.
I'm wondering if they'll be an expansion where you play as one of the Brays or an Exo. Kinda similar to what Warframe does with enemy factions where you get to play as one of them in The New War campaign although it's very brief.

[wraith carbon]

It sounds like it's sent to Clovis I, yeah
The other place Clovis Bray, the corporation, is named is Sentinel lore. Taketori Industries created them as a competitor to the Warmind project.

[iron hornet]

Ah ok, interesting we haven't seen a warmind yet besides that mechanical robot in Wolf's Den.

[wraith carbon]

Yeah that golem is super interesting
I don't know if we know much about them

[modern haven]

Ana Bray is likely for playability down the line

or Elsie as a stasis user

[modern haven]

Not about them specifically, but the Frame model is in D2 as allies used by Rasputin on Seraph Station and around the Seraph Towers and Bunkers.

[iron hornet]

I can definitely see that, especially for Ana Bray. Her set could be really cool like her weapon slots would be Scout Rifle & a Rocket Launcher. And her super being a mix of Golden Gun & Sunbreaker (Her Polaris Lance lights up creating a sunspot not only on herself but defeating enemys as well).

For Elsie unless she's a Lightbearer in this timeline I don't see her using Satsis. It wouldn't make sense to introduce a darkness subclass in the dark ages. Maybe Void.

[stark yarrow]

Mortals can use Darkness powers with the right training and specific "rituals" to awaken their inner Darkness. However, since Elsie acquiring Stasis is a way far future in the timeline, I highly doubt she will be wielding it during Dark Ages unless she's comes from a different timeline from the future where she vividly remember everything prior.

[modern haven]

or she got her memories back even earlier than she did in our timeline

honestly because its feasible to do i think theyd do it. and there's no way theyre leaving out 2 of the core 5 elements from the game long term.

benefits of an AU

[fossil orchid]

I read that as furries and was confused why furries are in destiny

[prime cave]

This guy doesn't know the lore

[fossil orchid]

I know tiger people were ment to be a thing way back when but idk anything about destiny rising

[wraith carbon]

tiger men have not been confirmed in destiny rising

it would be so extremely funny if they did though

[fossil orchid]

Yeah

[digital lily]

EEK! Furries!

[fossil orchid]

Not quite

[digital lily]

I know, I was joking.

[digital lily]

Imagine this game had Khajiit. lol.

“This one has wears, if you have Glimmer!”

[rustic elk]

Tbh even in an AU I think it’s arguably more likely they do leave out those damage types and go off and make their own “workarounds” to the three element limits of the light.

Stasis and Strand have both been around for less than half of the franchise’s lifetime, neither existing in D1 and both being only comparatively recently tacked onto destiny 2, so despite definitely being cool they’re still far from being core to the identity of Destiny (I mean most enemies in the D2 timeline don’t even have stasis or strand shields).

elements also kinda matter less in rising than they do in destiny, it’s much more about how each character’s kit makes use of that element than the actual damage type, and with rising’s massively streamlined ability gameplay that leaves a tonne of room to develop lots of new abilities and applications of the existing “elements” without needing to add another one, plus as rising is seemingly trying to be a much more approachable form of a destiny game, keeping the element count down just seems more sensical for making it less complicated.

If they really are getting stuck on exciting power creep or elemental presentation, I’d personally expect something more like dual element characters (say a character who uses arc and void damage in a single kit synergy) or maybe characters with non-light specific abilities (like someone using a weapon of sorrow or vex tech, etc in tandem with a light ability)

[prime cave]

Great points except I doubt that last one will happen, seeing as they got rid of kinetics

[wraith carbon]

There was a lot of feedback about kinetics feeling kind of useless in alpha and they seem to have taken it...a different way

[stark yarrow]

Its kind of disappointing if elements matter less. Because I always compared to something like Genshin (because its a mobile gacha game, lets compare it to that) where there are twice more elements which do matter and has elemental reactions and stuff and as you said "exciting power creep or elemental presentation" yet its a relatively casual game.

I really wish they'll touch on stasis and strand at some point, and as far as the game goes, I do not see any opportunity to expand more than the "boring" 3 elements (at least not yet anyway).

[wraith carbon]

Elements mattering less is not how I would put it
Match Game is basically always on and there's a lot of elemental shields

Like, you need to pay attention to them, but it's not like Genshin or other hoyo stuff where there's all these reactions

[fleet zinc]

I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME

[rustic elk]

Don't we all haha

[stark yarrow]

I really wish I could go into destiny rising timeline and tell them how lightbearers will get insanely more powerful within a span of less than a decade and that it has access to more than 3 elements while using them simoultaneously.

[wraith carbon]

Quick point of clarification, DR seems to take place centuries before when D1 or D2 would've taken place
Like, there's a lot of stuff that hasn't happened yet

[rustic elk]

100% There's a laundry list of things humanity has yet to understand about or experience in the sol system, the light, the collapse, the enemies we're up against lightbearers, everything and anything we take for granted in the mainline canon is still much more nebulous to rising's inhabitants

[willow forge]

No vanguard, no last city, no taken
Moon still haunted

[rustic elk]

Vanguard might be around sooner than we think though lol

[unborn needle]

But also stuff that isn't going to happen since the Iron Lords all got rewritten

[stark yarrow]

Yeah, thats why compared to the D2 one, it will be relatively sooo boring, the chars probably didnt even bother exploring other planets as it is still earth focused.

Which is why I recommend them to branch off from D2 timeline to proliferate on its own and have its own thing while not getting too far off. And it seems they started to do it with semtinels, haven, and stuff.

[unborn needle]

yeah

[wraith carbon]

Very interested in learning what that means in the future

[prime cave]

Absolutely nothing, Bungie will refuse to let them build on it for at least 8 years

[rancid nexus]

Huh I didnt know Finnala existed in OG Destiny lore

Neat

[wraith carbon]

huh, neither did i

she has a gun named after her

[rancid nexus]

A gun and a Iron Banner ornament. Titan Mark

Old though idk if its still obtainable in D2

[iron hornet]

The whispers idea? Sounds like the whisper The Traveler possibly?

[wraith carbon]

Sounds like a secret society of some sort.

[iron hornet]

Wow! Finnala is a D1 lore character? That's awesome.

[rancid nexus]

Her and Kabr yeah. That I know of

Kabr is obvious tho

Ikora also but thats cheating shes a main character lol

I wonder if theyll add more lore characters

The trials one would be cool

The name is escaping me right now but they were in a bunch of trials lore

[iron hornet]

Well there's Lady Efrideet, Felwinter, Dredgen Yor, Eris Morn & her fireteam who have yet to be seen or fully referenced in Rising. Osiris has been fully mentioned.

[wraith carbon]

Shayura, I presume
The one who went crazy and killed a bunch of people because Darkness or something

[rancid nexus]

Yea them

[wraith carbon]

It is

[iron hornet]

Question, so far how do yall feel about Lord Saladin In Destiny Rising? Even tho it's an alternate universe do you feel like it's an accurate representation of the character?

[wraith carbon]

I think that's a complicated question due to the circumstances of the story.

[rustic elk]

Jolder too! (She was one of the final bosses of D1’s last DLC)

[iron hornet]

That's fair 👍

[modern haven]

we do have a last city

its much smaller rn but haven is on the outskirts

its the equivalent of the tower before the walls went up

[modern haven]

So far from destiny proper we have:
Ikora
Kabr
Jolder
Finnala
Skorri
Radegast
Saladin
Wu Ming (The Drifter)

We also have references to Shaxx, Osiris, Clovis Bray, Rasputin, and probably more I'm unaware of.

also technically Elsie and Alton Bray but thats in the description and name for a legendary sparrow that was copy/pasted from Destiny 2 so

[wraith carbon]

Similarly, Cayde

[modern haven]

and the Vanguard as an institution

[stark yarrow]

Absolutely wrong lmao. But Bungie has no mention of the Whisperers in the main timeline.

But it is in the Rising timeline as a cult so its a NetEase thing.

[stark yarrow]

And the blond female character in the Rise of Iron trailer who sealed off the gates to contain SIVA? Thats confirmed to be her.

[rustic elk]

Jolder was still a redhead in D1, her hair colour is relatively close to how it is in the original cutscene even in moments where the red lighting is less oppressive

[unborn needle]

Pretty accurate for what I assumed him yo be

[unborn needle]

Shes fully rewritten though

She was a sholder charging striker titan

This is a new timeline

[unborn needle]

We need to end “Bungie”

[rustic elk]

It does say "likely" a striker there, could be a Cayde-6 case where he used to be a Bladedancer but later moved to GSlinger. Yeah it's a new timeline, but when it has adopted characters or ideas from main canon it has been very faithful to them, I mean from a lore tab I read they even maintained the brief flavourtext that stated Jolder took a lot of pride in her appearance, and applied that to the Rising version, which feels like a near unncessesary amount of homework they did lol

[unborn needle]

Yes but they wont stick to it cause the point is that alot of these dudes die lol

However yes its very commendable how they dont feel like Fanservice but instead a “What if this character was more than just a lore card”

[rustic elk]

I mean true again, but also they won't die for several more ingame decades, their ill-fated siva attempt was about a hundred years prior to the events of D1, and they were still the predominant peacekeeping force during the Battle of Six Fronts, an event that can't even happen until there are 6 fronts of a city to defend haha.

Most of their canon-breaches are still either explainable even in DR's unique context, this Alt timeline definitely seems more to "rhyme" with Destiny's pre-established lore than outright walk away from it

[unborn needle]

Not really because the Vex are on Earth already

Trying to fit this into some sort of destiny prequel requires wilful ignorance

Sentinals

Bottom text

Also this delusion would gut any future prospects in the story

So thank goodness the writers don’t care

Because destinys “established” lore is a mess that got rebooted twice

Heck the angsty D2 writers said Grimore cards were retconned out in 2017

“Folk your lore” ahh good times

Let it go dawg… its dead

[rustic elk]

I am not saying it's trying to be canon, please stop assuming I am speaking out of some misplaced delusion. It is taking liberties, but as I previously said it is corroborating certain aspects from core destiny extremely faithfully despite its canon breaks, the world is entirely different, but even still the aspects it does take from Destiny 1/2 have been carried out in ways that respect the style and narrative trends of the mainline universe. That's it, that's all I'm referring to.

That tweet has nothing to do with anything I am discussing

[wintry jacinth]

This caused my 1st quitting.

We've been dealing with a Multiverse ever since multiverse was the explanation for the Exo Stranger. Because of that, literally anything and everything is canon somewhere in the Destiny Universe.

[wintry jacinth]

Sentinels existed in Destiny, at least.

[unborn needle]

Ah my bad then I was just used to people trying to hamfist this as some destiny prequel my apologies

[unborn needle]

Source? Lowkey curious cause didnt find anything

[wintry jacinth]

Name isn't used. But you can find 1 on Europa.

[unborn needle]

Ahhh nice NetEase took something Bungie refused to elaborate or explain and made a cool story point from it

[wintry jacinth]

There's a couple things to mention

1st is the concept art from eld.

2nd is this.

[prime cave]

The massive Clovis exo head isn't a Sentinel tho

But yeah Sentinel-esque robots were definitely a concept at some point

[wintry jacinth]

I disagree.

||They reveal what's under the Sentinel's helmet at the Buhr fight, and it's a giant Exo head, just like this.||

[rustic elk]

Theoretically it could be another Black Armoury case where a rival/collaborator got a peak at Bray’s prototypes and made something off them, the creators of the sentinels in the Rising Timeline were in deep competition with Braytech and what better way to beat them than from the inside out? Taking a plan and executing it faster and better: exos using the darkness? Let’s use the light! Kinda vibes

[wintry jacinth]

There's a bit of chicken or the egg when it comes to Sentinels for me right now.

We're told that the Traveler created the Sentinels in the Golden Age. But when we see the Sentinel's face unarmored, it's revealed to be a giant Exo head. Which that's technology invented by Clovis Bray using Vex material as a foundation.

[prime cave]

The Traveler didn't create the Sentinels

Also being a humanoid robot doesn't mean it's an exo

[muted shuttle]

Yea they were supposedly created by a competitor to Bray Tech right?

[rustic elk]

Indeed, Taketori Industries was (and even to an extent post collapse remains) Braytech’s closest competitor in Earth’s extraplanetary defence, with the Sentinels being their answer to the Warmind Program

[iron hornet]

I would love to see The Vex make a Sentinel. There's an old concept of 3 Vex in the middle and on the top right there's a giant vex creature? It's hard to tell what it exactly is. The setting looks to be a ruined city possibly Old Chicago? The reason as to why I say that is in the mainline lore there's a creature in Old Chicago strong enough to hunt Guardians.

[wintry jacinth]

So it's confirmed that humans made the Sentinels. A competitor to Braytech makes sense too. Probably stolen technology.

The Traveler does get its paws on them though.

[muted vortex]

We need shaxx

We need a playable shaxx and saladin

[iron hornet]

Is there any lore information on the 🥶Chill🥶 element that is in The Expanse? Seems like Stasis but for the light?

[stark yarrow]

Its highly likely.

[unborn needle]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

we don't have newgen edgy p2w elements here dw

you can definitely immobilize your foes though no worry

blind is great, supression too

[wraith carbon]

The Singularity stuff is definitely references to D2 elemental keywords, but the entire point of the IX stuff in DR is that it's a time distortion where all possibilities are colliding.

[true remnant]

So does anyone know where the Traveler and Haven are located? In D2, it's in Chile but I don't know if that's the case in DR.

[wraith carbon]

Unknown. Appears to be the same in DR, but there's a lot of stuff that throws it off. Kind of like in D2, actually.
The main evidence I have found to support it being in Chile is some napkin math, wherein Wolf says that Jiangshi Metro is "12000 miles away", and Chile happens to be roughly 12k miles away from the Jiangxi province of China. It's very likely that Wolf is just being hyperbolic and that none of this is meant to be taken literally. There's also a boatload of assumptions being made here.
The map screen is also a mess and doesn't make much sense. The Red Sea is pretty far away from Jiangxi, but the map screen really seems to compress distances.
I haven't really looked at the skybox while on the space elevator to attempt to determine location, but I don't think that'd end up helping much.

[stark yarrow]

Thats...also roughly the same thing in D2 when you look at the Eternity destination where it is said the realities there converge and overlap.

[wraith carbon]

Yup, that's kind of how the Nine work

[autumn wyvern]

I'm at the part ||where harrow awakens the vex|| and im gagged. I need someone to explain what going on

[prime cave]

It's intentionally confusing, keep playing and it will explain what was happening there

[prime cave]

hmm time to find more hidden lore

K Kabr's final diary tab is to complete 5 daily quests in red sea rift

[prime cave]

Noooooo kabr don't do it

I hadn't seen Wolf and Zev for a while. Today, I found out that they'd been sent to the Red Sea Rift.

The pair looked a bit worn and seem to have been through some tough battles. They were in good spirits, though, and suggested I pay them a visit, claiming something there would interest me. A Harpy and Minotaur or something--it took a whole tankard of beer to learn that those were monster names.

Zev showed me the images she had recorded. I was expecting to see some creatures with bull heads and human bodies, or humanoids with bird wings, but to my surprise it was a...robot?

A cold, stiff machine, called a Minotaur of all things!

It's as humorous and absurd as anything else in this world.

Wolf suspects that these things aren't pure machines. Although they behave well-trained and organized on most occasions, sometimes they react subconsciously, like a living creature--at least, not entirely like piles of cold, hard metal.

This is the first time we've seen such a creature, which means their invasion is only just beginning. Perhaps in the future, I might encounter a Hydra and an Argus in the Red Sea Rift.

It sounds like a messy mythology, one whose protagonist is just waiting to be born.

Maybe I should visit the Red Sea Rift when the time is right...

Source: Use Kabr to complete 5 daily quests in the Red Sea Rift

[unborn needle]

as long as its not Venus ya know

[muted vortex]

Hear me out

Fusionfall crossover

[iron hornet]

Does anyone have lore on Estela?

[muted shuttle]

Estela was first resurrected with the ahamkara spine wrapped around her wrist I believe

[wraith carbon]

Correct.
Tin Can, her Ghost, was rendered mute as a result of an encounter with a bad Lightbearer. So he wasn't able to tell her about...anything.
She goes over her first time dying, and it's pretty rough.

The Ahamkara, Bréc, talks to her frequently and gives her visions. She hallucinates pretty frequently.
She's also a magnet for bad luck, so she tries to avoid people. The village that took her in after her first resurrection burned down, and she blames herself for it.

[boreal hinge]

Anyone know where i can find the full diary entries for the game's guardians?

Cause i don't have them unlocked in game and the beta ends tonight

[prime cave]

Sadly nobody has compiled them, there is no API and a lot of them are currently unobtainable

Only a few diary tabs have been posted here

[boreal hinge]

Guess ill wait for release to learn about umeko and get more Gwynn x Attal

[prime cave]

I mean Umeko currently doesn't have a diary, but what we do know about her is that she follows her Ghost rather than the other way around, and is basically a member of the Ghost Vanguard

Gwynn was captured by a warlord shortly after being revived, she was tortured and assaulted to the point of death many times before she escaped, and now she roams the earth hunting unworthy Lightbearers

Attal is her travelling companion, but there was only one bed. She also spends her time teaching Eliksni children

[proven python]

They remind me of wednesday and enid

[rustic elk]

Yeah the gothic macabre with the bubbly happy-go-lucky type is definitely a similar vibe

[mint sage]

Umeko was my absolute favorite character, mostly because she was my favorite archetype (long range invis hunter), but also because she was so mysterious. I'm looking forward to learning more about her.

[tulip summit]

A Pretendo user... in the Destiny Rising Discord server??

[boreal hinge]

I remember crowther whining, saying they're gonna break up once Gwynn realizes love aint anything special or something like that

[muted vortex]

Sp when will the game release

[severe oar]

There has been no official word on that.

[gusty cloud]

Here's a question will this thing get onto consoles

[tropic bison]

I think it is a mobile exclusive, with emulator support, which means it is playable on PC/console if you have the software for it.

[gusty cloud]

Hmm I see I'm just curious because I've been wanting a clan social space for soo long in destiny and now it's happening

That and the game looks good

[tropic bison]

I am so happy about the wolf den and it really doesn't feel like a mobile game. It is quite high quality.

[wraith carbon]

We do not know anything about future plans, including console availability, unfortunately

But, it works really well on MuMuPlayer, Netease's android emulator
Even has native Keyboard and Mouse support

[tropic bison]

I played the alpha only on mobile, but I went between M&K and mobile for the beta and it ran quite well.

[raven herald]

Aside from the Izanagis shot not working

[wraith carbon]

I found out what was happening there and reported it
If your super wasn't full, you couldn't use the alt reload on Izanagi's without using touch controls

I'm assuming Smart Bomb's new alt reload crossed some wires

[tropic bison]

I didn't have that issue when I got it.

[near shuttle]

Was the game good when it had beta?

I’m curious if waiting is as good as I’m assuming

[jade shadow]

It was good, definitely needs some more work, polish, and tuning, but considering most of the beta testers are bemoaning not being able to play it anymore, most people thought it was good

[tropic bison]

It was mostly good feedback, there were like 2 major painpoints that I heard, but that's it

[near shuttle]

Need 11 more people to type on the clue 3

[rough widget]

Do you think toland and eriana 3 will be in rising

[latent shard]

Maybe the whole fireteam of Eris Morn would be alive

[jade shadow]

This is prior to the great disaster, so probably

[violet surge]

Then we get to watch the light get ripped out of them in real time

[stark yarrow]

Idk about Eris because she was born in the Last City alongside her childhood friend Asher (not confirmed regarding Asher but speculated).

[naive valve]

seems like Net Ease remade the final clash between Wolf and the Cabal boss

[zealous slate]

you mean in other words (ghaul) 2.0

🤣

[naive valve]

Feels like Caelus but better

[zealous slate]

I'd say ghaul but caelus is good too.

[wind tide]

what are the hardware requirements?

[naive valve]

not released yet but I think if your phone can play Genshit at medium then you're good to go

[wraith carbon]

The recommended specs are a Snapdragon 845 or above for Android, or iPhone 8 or above for Apple

[gusty salmon]

I thought we were talking about the MC of HSR and was so confused

[spare kettle]

Hello, do you know if the French language will be available when the game comes out on August 28th?

[hot pivot]

Beta was English only, but if there’s a demand for French (or any other languages) then there’s always a possibility it could be added!

[muted vortex]

Do gaurdian have a royalty tax on ghosts of someone else uses the same shell

Imagibe paying bright Dust if yiu want ti use the same ghost

[hot pivot]

Begs the question, would a Ghost get salty if someone copied their look

[icy kayak]

I was thinking since guardians are the ones that come back from the dead and the ones that bring us back to life are the ghosts then ghosts should be called the guardians because they guard us from death and guardians are ghosts because well we come back from the dead

[jade shadow]

Well, guardians obtained their name a long time after they first existed. Originally they were referred to as lightbearers or risen, some joining factions and being known as Iron Lords or Warlords, but it was around the time when the city was first being built when they started being called Guardians, since they were the guardians of the last city

[icy kayak]

Makes sense but why are ghosts called ghosts

They're not also undead are they?

[jade shadow]

In all honesty, we don't really know. It's more likely that it's a name given to them by the traveler, since they seemed to refer to themselves as that since the beginning. It could be that since they were born from the traveler's "death" they act as its "ghosts" carrying on its mission post-mortem.
In one of the lorebooks, [Constellations: Waking] when a ghost was asked why they were called that, it responded with "Because we're searching, I think." In that sense, they could've garnered the name because they were wandering around like lost spirits searching for their lightbearer.
I think the first answer is the more accurate one though

[tender wind]

And then ghosts start to throw hands.

By the way what time period does destiny rising takes place in?

[icy kayak]

That's kinda cool

[prime cave]

After the dark ages, right at the beginning of the city age