lore-discussion

[pseudo raptor]

any lore on female speaker?

[slender pilot]

oh for sure! I think the line from the station's AI at the end of boss hints at that. I also suspect that maybe some of the workers got pulled through the portal too.

[tidal edge]

Yeah, I'm kinda wondering about that with that huge A$$ spire that would be higher than the tower

[tidal edge]

I'm wondering if she might be related to the original speaker in some way that we never thought of

[slender pilot]

Also did anyone else notice that in the EDZ artwork that there's a hammer looking object, maybe building or orbital station section, instead of the piece of the traveler is supposed to be?

[pseudo raptor]

maybe she is the first speaker?

[crude haven]

There are a total of 7 speakers, she might be one of them, or the one speaker during the period

[alpine tendon]

the first Speaker is the one that led everyone to where the Last City would be built

but since it’s an alternate timeline and pretty much all the lore Bungie did for the Dark Age is not applicable anymore, anything goes

[crude haven]

Thats sad. It would be cool if Destiny Rising was able to elaborate more on the dark ages and things

[alpine tendon]

pretty much all the excitement I had was gone when I was told it has nothing to do with current continuity

a game taking place during the most chaotic time of post-Collapse earth and you’re not even making it in the main timeline?

[crude haven]

Well we might find a place to try to connect to the main timeline once we experience the campaign

[fallen willow]

A Dark Age RPG is something that every Destiny player has wanted for a very long time

A Dark Age mobile-exclusive non-canon RPG is less exciting

[lavish pond]

So they have to make it Canon
And make it a multiverse especially with the vex mind lore being about timelines and the recent season talking about sundaresh and her wife jumping timelines as well could help?

Maybe we see the quest to make the first gjallarhorn? And the reason red death was banned? And why the drifter literally knows a ton of dark age lore?!?

[fallen willow]

I'd prefer it either the way it is or fully canon. Like from our timeline

[limber rose]

He knows dark age lore because he lived it, holmes

[fallen willow]

I never want them to dive into multiverse stuff again

[misty socket]

My brother In Christ it’s not a multiverse it’s different timelines

Everything is within the same dimension

There is in fact zero dimension hopping

[vagrant sable]

objection, the Vex exist

[misty socket]

Once again, timelines. Not separate universes

[fallen willow]

For all intents and purposes it is a multiverse

Multiple alternate versions of the same events, people, and things

Don't matter what you call each version. Timeline, dimension, universe. It's the same exact thing in stories

In recent stories at least

[rough widget]

how can we do lore discussion when its a alternitive timeline

[fallen willow]

It has its own lore to discuss. It's its own game

That's how I'm lookin at it at least

[rough widget]

up to what point does destiny and Rising share the same lore but split?

[fallen willow]

They may share nothing exactly the same

There might not be a single splitting point

[rough widget]

the traviler is seen so maybe its arival is the same in both universes?

[fallen willow]

I've been hesitant to even call it an alternate timeline

[vagrant sable]

all the blurb says "post dark age" so I guess we can assume dark age is common, then split

[fallen willow]

Because it just seems like a different story that's Destiny themed

[fallen willow]

Even before that there are several completely different things

A giant hammer in the EDZ, a humongous Tree of Silver Wings, the female Speaker

VexNet access before our shenanigans with the Sacred Splicers

[vocal thicket]

Back to Lightbearer title too

[willow spruce]

i do think it has to be a completely separate universe since it seems we have fallen allies, yet in d1/d2 they arrived early dark age iirc and hated us from the get go

the fallen should still hate us, unless the traveller did not visit riis which means they don't have abandonment issues
perhaps they instead sought refuge with us instead of invading us due to us ' stealing their great machine ' ?

( im no lore buff, i need to start reading more of it tbh )

probably wise to consider destiny rising as a what if universe maybe

[cold latch]

I think it’s like a parallel universe but also in the past, Ikora isn’t as old, Kabr is still around. The Wolf is probably some version of our own guardian from the main timeline since we earned Young Wolf in Rise of Iron. It’s probably starting off from a point where all the enemies still hate us but important things like stasis/strand haven’t been found, darkness still bad etc. I agree on the What If

[willow spruce]

the tree being under the traveller in that art ( can't send here bc permissions ) makes it look like a flower
the tree is actually a stem and the traveller is a bud waiting to bloom
ghosts can be considered bees and revive ( pollinate ) people ( flowers ) with the light ( pollen ) from the traveller ( the bud )

obviously not the best allegory since bees don't come from plants
maybe they're more like dandelion seedheads instead of bees?

[frail breach]

Interesting

[uneven vapor]

From that perspective, its playing more to the idea of the Gardener. And as the lore from around the witness suggests that the traveller raises from the ground. Your theory would be more viable. As the tree of silver wings went through, what looks like, making a traveller-esque sort of globe. And the Idea that the Veil is part of the traveller, could suggest that is "roots"

[tame echo]

I wonder since Destiny: Rising is an alternate universe, if their lore is considered "canon" at all? Compared to D2 and D1 lore?

[plush prism]

Do the moderators have a BR chat forecast?

[uneven vapor]

It will help fill out some blanks in current Destiny lore, but it would have to be treated as non-canon as its a reimagining of pre-game lore.

[dim walrus]

Provavelmente vai demorar, o Alpha vai sair inicialmente só pros estados unidos e canada

[plush prism]

To querendo muito jogar esse jogo

Ele vai ser TPP e FPP?

[dim walrus]

Vai s, você vai poder escolher entre os dois pelo que parece

É um jogo bem ousado tbm, tem muito conteúdo q n está no jogo principal, é provável q a Bungie olhe oq tá dando certo nesse jogo e traga pro destiny 2 tbm

[dim walrus]

Non-canon, probably one of the timelines elsie was on, but not canon since any other timeline does not have "the Guardian" and he is an anomaly of time

[dim walrus]

He should already be dead, but somehow always finds the strenght to defy reality

[tame echo]

@uneven vapor @dim walrus Gotcha, thanks for explaining.

[plush prism]

Obg mano

[tame badge]

Hello

[vast canyon]

Drifter on the field!

[high bolt]

[last stag]

😨

[calm wren]

Do nada uns br aqui kkkkk

[wispy charm]

We have asked about this already. The closed alpha is for Canada and the US.

The admin has said they will review if it's necessary, but I wouldn't expect anything until after the closed alpha.

Any language channel requires a moderator that speaks the language.

[plush prism]

Thanks bro

[leaden marsh]

I heard it more an parallel universe, no proof that's the case either though

[uneven vapor]

its an alternate timeline to the main franchise. So it would be non-canon, but its based around the time when the last city was being founded

[opaque shore]

Sup @vast canyon

I see you made it up in here!

[leaden marsh]

Either way I hope they keep the lore as good as D1/2

[prime cave]

Alternate timelines are canon tho 🙃

But yes it's not the history of the main timeline

[uneven vapor]

the story has had involvement from Bungie, so it should be.

[uneven vapor]

well yes, it was just being asked in whether it be canon to the current destiny lore

[potent gyro]

i really wanna see if Elsie bray is in the game i would love that

[sterile stag]

Is there any good videos that explains the entire lore of destiny? I want to learn it before playing Destiny Rising

[young forge]

those are like 11 hours long usually if you can lift that

[distant roost]

Byf has a great one on YouTube

[young forge]

byf is quite subjective in interpretation of some of the lore bits, and adamant that he's correct about those interpretations, so im not sure if that would be a good recommendation

, but at the same time, he's the only one who done a 10 hour long lore recap

[supple hound]

destiny rising's lore deviates from Destiny's lore

alternate universe

[tawny root]

im here for any drip feedings i can get, even if its not canon
it will be canon in my heart

[fathom tide]

Everything's canon if you want it to be

[young forge]

lore deviation is canon tho, since it still does take root in the original lore

[young forge]

you still do kinda need to know who are iron lords, the speaker, ghosts, the traveler, etc etc

common story beats seem to still be present in DR so you will anyway get value out of knowing the entire lore

but it is funny how i didnt see scorn/dread in the trailer and had to remind myself those dont even exist yet 💀

[cunning bison]

IS THE 14TH WISH REAL IN THIS UNIVERSE?! ARE WE GONNA GO 10 YEARS before we get the 14th wish here too? 😂

[tawny root]

you meant 15th right? 14 wishes were always a thing

[cunning bison]

oh yeah i forgor

yeah i meant 15th

[subtle monolith]

Also yeah it is real

[cunning bison]

heck yeah

[tawny root]

^

[subtle monolith]

The 15th wish was to get Crow to the Pale Heart.

[frank egret]

Gonna miss my Darkness and Prismatic the moment my Guardian n' Ghost move to this universe...

[young forge]

actually, it seems like there arent any awoken characters in any of the trailers? or am i tripping

[cunning bison]

but... cayde doesn't exist... YET.

[subtle monolith]

Well if it’s dark age?

[young forge]

it also means that our characters dont know about the wish wall

[subtle monolith]

No awoken yet. They wouldn’t have made it out of the distributary

[tawny root]

that castle does look like warlord's ruin

[cunning bison]

so basically kings fall haven't even happened yet

nor wrath of the machine

[tawny root]

nope probably

[subtle monolith]

No event from D1 or 2 has happened

It’s centuries before the events lol

[young forge]

wouldnt you know it, new raids 🤯

[tawny root]

we guardians haven't even been found yet

[subtle monolith]

Yeah they’re still being called Lightbearers as a default. Warlords still exist

The iron lords are around, but how many is yet to be seen

[cunning bison]

wait

[tawny root]

wonder if our boy shiro is about

[cunning bison]

is tex dark age or golden age?

[subtle monolith]

I’m pretty sure they’re later on, but their whole schtick is crafting old style guns

[cunning bison]

hmmmm

[subtle monolith]

Which is you have the old school revolvers and rifles and whatnot

[tawny root]

hoping we get some new enemy types, id be interested if it expands a bit more on the vex

[cunning bison]

i would be interested how they would introduce new characters and their lore

[tawny root]

so more precursor vex

[cunning bison]

and if they are free and what not

[tawny root]

i want to fight a strong battle class vex lol

could osiris be around during this time too?

[young forge]

in exile sure

[subtle monolith]

It’s possible. He’s been around awhile

Nah this would be before his exile

[cunning bison]

WAIT.. could the vex network go into the past as well?

[subtle monolith]

He wasn’t exiled until the City was well established

[tawny root]

saint and osiris vanguard glory days?

[subtle monolith]

Im guessing before that but it’s hard to say. I don’t think the Vanguard exists yet

[cunning bison]

bruh imagine we get the corridors of time here as well AS THE PUZZLE XD

[tawny root]

season of dawn my beloved

corridors of time meets the new vex net

[subtle monolith]

It’s a fun way to get some lore only characters though

[prime cave]

Correct

[subtle monolith]

We could see like, Tallulah Fairwind

First hunter vanguard

[cunning bison]

i joined d2 during season of arrivals so i don't know that much about pre destruction/lose of the leviathan

[tawny root]

we could get an inside look on germaine (drifter) during this time period. he's spoke about it on his tapes

[subtle monolith]

We’re just gonna find him in a village.

[cunning bison]

MAYBE we can meet the gunsmith before he loses his memories

[subtle monolith]

“Don’t you love this quiet little town? I do”

0_0

[cunning bison]

imagine this game gonna be 100 gigs on mobile like genshin LMAO

[tawny root]

rog phones might be ok with handling that amount

[cunning bison]

yeah i ain't buying rog phones XD

[tawny root]

in before grimoires return and we have to access them on the website again

[prime cave]

Given min specs are iPhone 8 I would not be at all surprised if the game only ended up being like 7gb but streams 90% of it

[cunning bison]

oh god

[mild vigil]

Y'all think the Google pixel 8 pro can handle this

[tame echo]

it should! as long as it has SnapDragon 845 or newer

[mild vigil]

It has tensor G3 and according to Google it's better than the 845

[tame echo]

Oh good, you're fine then!

[worthy rover]

What's your phone?

[cosmic sparrow]

Yo anybody sit and read the gun lore pages for hours straight?

[versed lotus]

I do in pure boredom.

[cosmic sparrow]

They are so interesting

Like the sidearm from this season!

Have you read it? The one about the eliksni and cabal

[fringe dragon]

Sometimes during a queue I'll read the shin malphur one

[hushed bobcat]

I wait for the byf videos

[cosmic sparrow]

Yeah i kinda sit there when im waiting or when im bored and just read them for fun because most of them are genuinely just interesting to look into

[cosmic sparrow]

I love byfs vids also is that a hallow knight pfp i love that game.

[hushed bobcat]

yep!

[tribal pollen]

It’s better to read the lore directly since Byf is prone to getting things wrong

[hushed bobcat]

true

[bitter roost]

Kabr?! Mass hype, hello, old guardian new discord member

Byf probably worst creator out there, many better ones, evaze,myelin,fallout, datto

[graceful geode]

I watch them all but I never understood the hate towards Byf. What is it that people don't like about his lore videos?

[versed elm]

Yeah whats up with the Byf hate lol

[balmy swan]

Byf is goated tfym

[kind marten]

What are ppl on about Byf being bad

[livid escarp]

He made some mistakes about the lore a few time so some people act like he’s just making everything he says up when it’s still 95% correct

[kind marten]

Nobody is going to get everything 100% right. The times Byf was wrong he admitted he was wrong.

If they're complaining maybe they should try to cover 10 years of lore, see how that works out.

[bitter roost]

I originally followed byf at first, if you watch him enough you realize his personality is the problem, I followed for years and then when lightfall dropped, listening to him just tear the game down made me so upset, especially since in earlier times he said “I’d never say this or that or act like this as some people do” and then he was exactly what he said he wouldn’t be all throughout that review, kinda broke my heart so I left, the lore was good, just him. There’s plenty other creators that are able to review without being so nasty. This is just my opinion

[kind marten]

Tbh it was Lightfall

Lightfall gave us a lot of good lore and bad lore

Not to mention the campaign was mediocre

[bitter roost]

Lightfall was garbo massively, but the way he reviewed just the gameplay and what not was terrible, lol I’m not saying lightfall is great in any capacity, the way he talked about it made it seem x1000 worse than what it was, if you watched his live he was screaming it was very unbecoming

[graceful geode]

Yeah actually that makes sense as of recently he's been talking about gameplay or other parts and it feels like there's not as much positives as there are negative or neutral points he puts out but I just usually don't pay attention to it as much, like gameplay for me isn't too important as the lore that comes with it. That just me tho

[versed elm]

kind of weird to say a content creator is bad because he doesnt like a piece of content or isnt always positive tbf

[graceful geode]

He definitely isn't bad. We all have different opinions on the game and personality if there's something I disagree with it doesn't matter as much. I'll still keep up to date with all his videos

[bitter roost]

@versed elm that’s just one example out of the 11 years I followed him, no other creators that I’ve seen have scream slammed the game they claim to love, don’t need to always be positive, but don’t be hypocritical to what you say, especially when people really focus on what you say, again this is just my opinion, I’m not saying don’t watch him, I’m just saying why I don’t anymore

[zealous sierra]

how do yall think Cayde may be added to this alt universe?

[uneven vapor]

I hope he don't. He'd just ruin it with his "Comedy relief act"

[graceful geode]

If they do add him since it is an alternate timeline they can just make a more serious character or just a very minor character in the background or referenced here and there

[bitter roost]

A Clovis time cayde would be cool, knowing him as a Clovis security guard, maybe figure something out about ace

[hoary rampart]

oh you dont know

sweet summer child

[zealous sierra]

I feel triggered on this alt universe stuff. like....it would require a whole revamp of the lore we known so far

[hoary rampart]

just sounds like an excuse to ignore any and all relevant destiny story revelations up until now and in the future

[zealous sierra]

yeah

[rustic bramble]

Its to avoid contradictions im assuming.

If something contradicts the main story “oh well its an alternate timeline”

[hoary rampart]

"oh well" : how to signify an excuse 101

[cold shore]

Byf talked with a representative and they said, it was so they (netease) could tell their own original stories without interfering with established lore,

[zealous sierra]

as long as they keep the halloween event, christmas event, i would be fine

[cold shore]

plus, it's a phone game, i doubt the lore is going to be that deep

[rustic bramble]

So my assumption was correct. I mean it makes sense, i doubt the mobile team has learned all the destiny lore.

[zealous sierra]

and probably the game will have a monetization strategy for ongoing content

I dont want to play a 100 gb mobile game though, Jesus

[cold shore]

the game is probably going to be aggressively monetized

[rustic bramble]

I just hope 120 fps is supported for high end devices off rip.

[bitter roost]

It’s not that far fetched of a concept, we were introduced to alternate timelines during beyond light, in the beginning Elsie’s discusses the other timelines, Erie’s fall from grace, Zavala killing ikora etc. it’ll work story wise I just hope there’s no retcons

[rustic bramble]

Or atleast 90.

[rustic bramble]

If its a separate timeline they cant retcon anything from the mainline

Unless they speak on the main time line within the story which i doubt will happen

[cold shore]

plus, Bungo is only serving an advisory role for the development. this is in netease's hands 99.9 percent.

[bitter roost]

That was what I meant if they refer to current in game

[versed elm]

yeah alternate timeline is just a way for Bungie to not need to dedicate members of the narrative and lore teams to NetEase to watch over everything they do so nothing contradicts

its not what I prefer but we know alternate timelines are a thing already

[bitter roost]

I’m certain netease will do a good job, the hype from that trailer has me feeling it might actually be a good game, a 6p raid on mobile though, that’s crazy

[dry mason]

I was kinda skeptical about it but I dig the alt timeline. Please give me more lore to lose my mind over lmao

[viscid olive]

Imagine this alt timeline being where the exo stranger came from (heavy doubt but the thought is interesting)

[dry mason]

Yo wait actually maybe though

[balmy swan]

He doesn't always get things right but also he also doesn't present everything as fact, he almost always leaves ambiguity and presents things as someone just discussing lore
If there's anyone to be mad at it's some of his fans that take his word as the Bible of destiny lore

[bitter roost]

@viscid olive wild concept but sounds stellar

@balmy swan big facts, he ain’t t preaching 🤣

[viscid olive]

Yeah this part right here though
He's the reason I refuse to watch lore people now cause most of them also act like that to a degree

[bitter roost]

@viscid olive you’re the first to ever share my opinion Ty sm 💖

[viscid olive]

I'm also weird and prefer a literal audiobook over someone's personal interpretation of lore too

[bitter roost]

This ^^^

[viscid olive]

[compact igloo]

yeah i wish we would get audiobooks and novels in general... id read the poop out of it. halo can do it, soooo

[balmy swan]

I mean we do have the 7 grimoire books

Physically and digitally

[scarlet fox]

read the what out of it

[compact igloo]

figure of speech.

[compact igloo]

true and i like those but i mean like theyre more like compilations. i was talking more traditional narratives like what the halo novels offered

[graceful geode]

It would be cool if the lore cards in game had different characters reading them out or atleast someone reading it out. Just to feel like it's a story be told to you in some way

[scarlet fox]

no i was confused about the weird self censoring until I realized what you meant is blacklisted

[balmy swan]

Yeah I agree tbh

[compact igloo]

oh yeah definitely. especially the man they called cayde 6 set of cards.

[compact igloo]

XD

[atomic glen]

Could that goth girl potentially be Eris Morn?

[balmy swan]

Probably not

[compact igloo]

what's interesting is this this is an alternate universe.
so anything can happen and it doesnt have to fit with established canon of Destiny 1 and 2

[balmy swan]

That's true, and probably how they're gonna have things like the vault of glass with kabr still being alive, and friendly eliskni this far in the past

[graceful geode]

The one with white and black hair? Apparently people are saying it's Dredgen Yor but that may be a joke the community is spreading

[compact igloo]

im not sure how much i like it tho. i was excited to see more of the established canon lore of the early dark age and city age. but i guess by making it a new timeline, they have more creative freedom

[balmy swan]

My running theory is it's a brand new character netease is using as a foothold to set themselves apart from main destiny and get people interested in their own original characters since they know people will automatically like her design

[atomic glen]

Idk, as soon as I heard alternate timeline + pretower I thought it potentially being Eris Morn

[balmy swan]

It makes me way less interested in the story and more interested in the gameplay

[atomic glen]

The description fits to some extent

Eris as a full-on lightbearer with a ghost and not cursed with hive magic

[graceful geode]

I guess? But Eris was a hunter and that character looks more warlock like but it is an alternate reality soo maybe

[atomic glen]

Remember, no set classes during said timespan

[graceful geode]

Oh right true

[compact igloo]

i just think the story should get more credit... there is so much good stuff in the lore but by making this a new timeline, it'll be much harder to know what is canon and what is just made up for this timeline.... but i guess most people dont care. the gameplay looks pretty good tho. we'll have to see how the long term plays out tho, since that's been destiny's biggest issue so far. if it can retain players past the first few weeks, depending on how content drops are handled.

[atomic glen]

I do hope that with this being an alternate timeline that it doesn’t span too far from the original content the further DR goes on for

[balmy swan]

They say that because in actual destiny lore that would be true for the time period, but the trailer very explicitly shows stereotypical hunters and warlocks

And titans

[graceful geode]

I'm sure most of it will still be true to the cannon story just there's gonna be some changes

[atomic glen]

True, we’ll see who it actually is when we get a chance to play

[compact igloo]

true

[balmy swan]

From what I've heard bungies only involvement is making sure it doesn't stray too far away from the identity of destiny, so I'm not too worried about that

[graceful geode]

That's good to know

[compact igloo]

as long as sony isnt involved, we good lol

[graceful geode]

Lol-

I'm personally excited to see what the story will be and the characters

And if they will add new characters to play as than just the ones they showed

[compact igloo]

yup!

[bitter roost]

I wonder if the character wolf will have a backstory or be another of the “strong & silent” type of protagonist, im really curious if factions will be present, imagine joining the concordat 🥹

[tame echo]

Oh yeah, I wonder if there'll be factions/or guilds, w/e

[bitter roost]

I wonder if Eris is the speaker in this timeline, you can see some parallels in character design on the ca

[graceful geode]

Maybe each character has some factions you can join and do things for? I imagine since these aren't characters like our Gaurdian there won't be as much freedom with what we can do like there will probably be locked story missions only for certain characters maybe

[bitter roost]

That would make sense, though I’m sure we only play as wolf, I could be corrected on that

[graceful geode]

It shows a bunch of characters and them using abilities I'm pretty sure this will be like first descendent where there's multiple playable characters that wolf character beging one of them

[drifting gull]

Would love to see factions, I miss that content from D1.

[graceful geode]

Especially seeing older ones and maybe even some new ones

[sour elk]

I miss the d1 factions battles too, was big in FWC

[graceful geode]

Or seeing the start to the main ones

[hearty berry]

For some reason, Bungie had a very strange way of handling them. In D1 there were factions purely as background. In D2 there were interesting things with them, but LIMITED TIME.

And now the factions are half-dead

[terse raptor]

Think cayde is packing?

[graceful geode]

Oh for sure

Packing a golden gun obviously

I wonder if each character will get outfits and what other customizable things they will have

[zealous sierra]

What is your take for start the narrative on this game?

[neat scarab]

i mean wolf is an iron lord by the looks of it so they're probably not a new light

[pale quartz]

It would be interesting to start out that way considering we’re all used to the MC being a new light

[valid wyvern]

I can’t wait I hope it can replace destiny after everything honestly

[zealous sierra]

This sounds interesting

[graceful geode]

Maybe starting us off picking between three characters like how destiny starts but instead your picking between 3 actual characters one being more like a hunter one like a warlock and the other like a Titan gameplay wise

[zealous sierra]

Not bad

[dusky flame]

Wonder if they will have any new factions added in

[graceful geode]

Maybe we could see the Dredgens as a faction or this is random but the rat king crew- there is alot of groups out there they could make in to full factions or just having groups like the Six Coyotes, Praxic order and even the Hidden

Just to expand on groups we know of or heard of

[opaque shore]

It would be amazing to have a further in depth story of the iron lord and Siva

and since it’s a alt universe, Siva Supers!?

[tame rain]

Doom said the same thing! Also nice seeing you here 💚

[opaque shore]

🤙🏽

[opaque shore]

Yeah I have pushed for this for a couple years now

[graceful geode]

An alt outcome where they actually use Siva and it isn't used against them

[opaque shore]

Absolutely!

[opaque shore]

also Nice seeing you as well 🙂

[wide flax]

I've always wondered but what kind of music is popular in the universe of Destiny? Like.. do we have a new type or has it returned to a more folk style due to lack of resources... music speaks through generations, so would be cool to explore something like that one day. Also, headcanon of mine is that my guardian found some old lists of EDM music and his ghost plays them through a comms channel when on mission while changing colours to the rhythm ^^

[valid relic]

Probably listen to carti

[bitter roost]

Since it’s more character based, I wonder if we’ll get classed in game, like throughout the story you playstyle leans one way and then checkpoint/cutscene boom some etherial voice “the mark of a titan is more than power blah blah blah” or some allusion, not saying it’s necessary, I’m just curious about the beginning of separate classes

[opaque shore]

Honestly, it depends on the mood.

I once listened to all the Halo Soundtracks while playing for a couple of weeks. My brain couldn’t comprehend that one

[obtuse nimbus]

Pre-collapse? Post warlords

[opaque shore]

All of them

[obtuse nimbus]

Gotcha! Very cool

[graceful geode]

Considering Gaurdian players are cannon to the story in a way that means that our likes and dislikes have to some what be cannon too so I guess any music goes, like Rasputin plays different music he likes for his different alerts most being classical kind of like music, and the idea of Gaurdians finding old relics is cool like imagine a Gaurdian that found a Walkman and plays it going around like Star Lord throughout the universe

[remote venture]

The vex do like rock music

Rasputin enjoys ballet

I think Paul McCartney is technically still listened to (since Hope for the Future plays in the og tower)

Rasputin also likes classical music since he plays them in his bunkers

Led Zeppelin is considered classical music based off the original live action trailer

[remote venture]

Ngl I’d like to see an emote of our guardian just vibing to a Walkman starlord style

[prime cave]

I mean it's most likely over a thousand years old

[remote venture]

True

Based off some very poor calculations, I estimate that it’s been around 1000 years since the Traveler was first discovered back in 2014

[prime cave]

We don't know how long the golden age lasted (unless more info has come out since I stopped playing) but we know it was at least 300 years, and the dark age + city age has lasted at least 400 years

I don't think we have anything more accurate than that tho, or an upper bound

[remote venture]

I’m guessing the golden age lasted at least 740 years

[prime cave]

That's oddly specific

[remote venture]

Since there’s been at least 3 generations (Clovis Bray I, Clovis Bray II, and Ana/Elsie Bray)

And if the average human lifespan is around 80 years, multiply that by 3 since the Traveler tripled human lifespans, you get around 720 years

[prime cave]

Except you don't wait to have kids until you die

Assuming they had kids around 30 (probably earlier), it's only 240 + 60, not 240 * 3

[remote venture]

Wasn’t really looking for accurate numbers. Just estimating

[prime cave]

Yeah but 300 is a big difference from 720

[graceful geode]

I believe this is a emote actually

Or atleast something similar

[remote venture]

Ngl I just googled it cuz I’m curious and saw numbers of around 200 years to 700 years

But tbh 200 years doesn’t seem too accurate due to the fact that humanity knew their lifespans tripled

based off modern lifespans, I’ll have to estimate that Golden Age humans have a lifespan of around 240-300 years

[prime cave]

Right, it's at least 300, but getting 700 bc there were three generations of brays isn't a logical basis

Especially when the brays died early or lived "forever"

[remote venture]

True but we have no idea how many generations existed dying the golden age

There’s only been a record of around 3 generations thanks to the Brays

We need more golden age lore

[frozen narwhal]

Inb4 Marathon is actually just set during the golden age

< doesn’t know anything about Marathon lore

[limber rose]

Honestly, give it a shot! It's all really fascinating, and you can play the games for free, through Aleph One!

[summer ravine]

Yep, Aleph One has a good port on iOS and I believe Android as well. The only issue is that... well, it's 90s game design, lol.
Aiming is also pretty hard on phones for it.

[limber rose]

Oh man, for phones? I couldn't imagine. I recommend it on Linux, but that's personal preference.

[summer ravine]

I liked it, but yeah, it's hard to aim on it. It's both the engine AND the control scheme's fault.
I played it on Windows and it felt a lot better, but I'm away from the house a lot.

[limber rose]

Fair enough. Switching it to 3d perspective helps, since that gets rid of the parallax effect

[cunning bison]

Ok

So

Have we discussed the implications of supers being tied to equipment, or so it seems

[naive sonnet]

does anyone know who the goth lady is supposed to be, cause i heard somewhere they were supposed to be someone from the iron lord's but idr

[mental fulcrum]

I think the lore implications add up really well with pre-existing lore so far. Supers are made into classes now because we have codes, it's why Strand and Stasis are such primordial understandings compared to what we have now. But before Orders, Codexes, or even Doctrines there was just primordial Light, and the utilization was deeply personal in the story.

So I could see some sort of tethering Light to physical items sort of like Golden Gun as a method of harnessing the Light in an era without rules or regulation

[cunning bison]

Ikr, and it also hits home the concept that before these organizations within the guardian community they just used what they had, and they didn't really know what light was or how to use it.

It's like being handed a phone with no preconceptions of what it was used for

Like at all

[mental fulcrum]

When I learned that this was non-canon my interest peaked a lot more as it can take a lot of creative liberties with our current understanding of subclasses and the universe as a whole, and I think that the tethering of Light to objects is already such a cool idea that Bungie itself cant really do too much with in the current environment given how much they already explored Light and Dark. So this Dark Age era is probably going to be full of some really novel ideas and implementations of the Light

kind of hope we can see my boy Drifter show up as a character in some regard

[cunning bison]

Definitely, also vex being existing already have so many implications, bc in technicality the events of this timeline are happening along side the other due to vex shenanigans, if it's all a simulation which the odds are low but certainly non zero

So they could use it as an excuse to bring the tethering light to items concept over but I doubt it, from my current understanding that is

[mental fulcrum]

I think that D1 can lend a few answers, it seems the Vex were a threat but Guardians largely disregarded them. I remember during the first mission on Venus we reactivated Hunter trackers on Vex on Venus, which to me implied the Vex are at least known. I think the biggest liberty is that we care about anything other than the Fallen, as atp we hadn't experienced The Great Disaster, Mars was a barren Exclusion Zone, and the Vex were essentially just doing nothing of import (to our knowledge) on Venus. So it is pretty clear the narrative is already pretty different

[cloud crag]

Guys kabr from kabr's battlecage vog titan chestplate is in destiny rising

and huckleberry is a mythic

[lofty crescent]

time to make Kabr's own fate

[carmine stirrup]

Lore masters!!
I don't think I've seen an awoken in destiny rising,
Timeline wise would the awoken be present or not

[wild moon]

I think I saw that the game would be based in the Warlord Era after the Collapse, I am unsure if any Awoken are known to be present in that era during the current Destiny timeline

[carmine stirrup]

icic

[wild moon]

You know. One thing I am most excited for are all the Fallen Houses

[prime cave]

The Awoken came to Earth during the early city age. It looks like they're working on construction of the city in the trailer, so it's a possibility but not a guarantee

[wild moon]

There's Devils which definitely has to make an appearance

[sinful hedge]

Being an alternate timeline, who knows if the Awoken even exist here; we can see potentially friendly Eliksni in an era where they seemed little more than man-eating monsters

[vital heron]

You think they'll add new houses or just stick to the ones we already have?

[wild moon]

It's possible we might see one or two new ones, but I think, from what we have seen of the trailers, Devils is going to be the main threat along with (I presume?) Crota's Hive
But I would definitely like to see a few new ones, or more broadly, a range of Fallen Houses than just Devils, similar enough to Destiny 1

[flint sinew]

this lore gonna be sweeeetttttt

[uneven vapor]

Yes from i can see that the Fallen is there, but i don't think it is house of devils, it could be them just re-skinned or it could be an entirely new house, Afterall there is an ellinski vendor in "the tower" in this version of the last city, this could be due to the way that this is before the battle of the six fronts (current lore in Destiny1/2). And i think the hive boss coming through the portal looks more like one of the sisters from TK. As its all new timeline stuff what we know at current could just be written off. With the Vex it looks like Atheon's crew, which i would believe is more possible due to them being timeline hoppers. I for one, hope that we get to play as an Ellinski

[trail cape]

I don't understand how I get these stickers, can someone help me?

[uneven vapor]

That is true to current lore, Shin Malphur used the last word and had it enhanced with light to create "the Golden Gun" at the first making of it, Shin was in a rage as he faced off against Dregden Yor. It's also the first instance i can find about a Ghost moving from one guardian to make another... That could be down to how Jaren Ward died by a "true weapon of sorrow"..

[uneven vapor]

on the chat bar you'll see the stickers icon, between the Gif and Emoji, click on it there and then just click the destiny:rising icon and it will show the stickers

[trail cape]

thanks

No, I mean something else, it's exclusive, there is a sticker milestone that I mean for the game

[copper jay]

I think it will be given later on when the game officially started, So we should wait for it.

[ancient patrol]

Thje only lore I care about in Destiny Rising atm, is who is the black/white haired girl, and how do I get her?

[ancient patrol]

Considering Zavala was there during pre-city under the Traveler, I would assume that the Awoken came to Earth long before that. It's lore that Zavala before he died and became a Guardian, was a well loved friend of some of the Techeuns... I think maybe it's Shuro Chi or Kalli that mentions it in the Dreaming City.

[wild moon]

If it's House Devils, or a completely new one, I'd still be happy to see some new variety
And I also like that Eliksni vendor. Shows that that are more than hunting for the Traveler, if this is before Six Fronts.
Also, you are correct, literally everything we know could be written off since this is a new timeline, which will still be fun for people to discover the lore of

[uneven vapor]

I do think it that it sorts of pre-dates the iron lords in some aspect... from when they mention on their site is that its around the time of first resurrected, around the time of when the darkness first arrived which is like 710-ish years ago

[wild moon]

Yea, I'm fairly certain that it happens during the Warlord era
So having Vex and Hive majorly involved is definitely different

[uneven vapor]

entirely depends on where it branches off... if it follows the pre-lore so that this is just a "what-if" moment from the point of traveller making the ghosts, Clovis has already created Exos, we have siva, and the warminds/black armoury and the likes of the 'Reef'

[wild moon]

If all of that stuff does exist in Rising, I suppose we will just need to discover it all (other than Exos, those would already have Lightbearers and civilian life)

[mint abyss]

So I'm confused on the izinagi in the trailer anyone got some insight for me, didn't izinagi come after the tower or something?

[graceful geode]

Well it exists around that time it just wasn't like fully assembled and used till we got our hands on it I pretty sure

[delicate oracle]

I mean, the forges exists before the Gold age, much earlier than the collapse era. We can use it in D2 only thanks to Ada

[willow spruce]

^^

also it's an alternate reality so it's wise to try not make sense of exactly everything

[indigo creek]

Trailer discription says it's an alternative timeline.

[willow spruce]

same thing, really

more leaning towards an alternative reality imo though

[delicate oracle]

An alternate reality with similar story, so about izanagi it's "kinda" canon. That's okay that we can use it.

[tame echo]

This tbh

[willow spruce]

i just wanna know what's with the giant ass hammer 😭

[earnest pumice]

I refer you to XKCD #37.

Aka, I mentally shift the hyphen over one. I don't read that as "giant-ass hammer". I read that as "giant ass-hammer".

And now, you all will too. 🙂

[proven wagon]

Why would you curse me with this idea in this way

[willow spruce]

😭

[river stream]

ah, another person of CULTURE

[paper shale]

Is it a Warhammer joke?

[earnest pumice]

It's a hyphenation joke.

[paper shale]

That's a big word, I'ma have to pass on that

[summer ravine]

Something, something, Infinite Forest Simulation.

In this reality, the Infinite Forest is a giant smartphone.

[restive lotus]

Lol

[paper shale]

Shaxx got rejected by Mara so he wishes to an Ahamkara for another chance at the beginning.... Thus Destiny Rising

[willow spruce]

💀

netease, add sjur eido to your game and my life is yours

[graceful geode]

As a playable character? That would be amazing

[willow spruce]

or npc im easy pz i just need her canon appearance

[graceful geode]

Yeah just having her there would be nice instead of just words in lore

Hopefully they use this game to shine light on characters we've never seen they already have a younger Ikora which she's a badass so i dont mind her being palyable and it would be.cool to see characters like Osiris and Sajnt-14 i wouldn't mind but at the same time they had lots of screen time so I hope we see more new characters over ones we've seen so much of

[summer ravine]

The S in Destiny stands for Simp.
"We have looked into infinite timelines and we have determined you are friend zoned in every single one."

[fiery cave]

Did the vanguard ever try spilling water all over the vex net 💀 I feel like that would cripple the vex

Ruin their circuitry fr

[uneven vapor]

Osiris and Saint might not even be a couple in this timeline

[graceful geode]

That's true

[graceful geode]

If only it were that simple lol

[uneven vapor]

from the general gist of what i get from the timeline on the site... is that its the founding moments after the traveller gives the first set of ghosts, so anything pre-1st darkness invasion is somewhat canon but it takes a slightly different path, probably the reason why we don't see a golden gun in the trailer as that is post1st-darkness

[graceful geode]

It could still be a thing just the characters we have don't use it but I get what you mean, with it being in the dark age there will be more medieval like weapons used especially with iron lords and yeah this game is supposed to be taking place during the dark age and a little around the beginning of the city age. So I imagine as the game goes one the story will probably have plots centered around helping people with the start of the city age

Which makes me wonder if we would get the ahamkara hunt and actually get you be in it and fight some dragons

[pale quartz]

I’m just hyped we get to finally experience the Dark Age

[summer ravine]

The Vex already spilled, uh, Vex Milk all over themselves.

[graceful geode]

I also kinda hope we get to fight other humans and Lightbearers, like getting to fight some warlords or more darker guardians like the Dredgens. Would be cool to fight against another Lightbearer that isn't another player

[graceful geode]

Delicious vex milk 🥛

[pale quartz]

Where the vex go in seasons they’re not involved in, to get milk

[paper shale]

Must've been how Osiris felt running into the vex net to find saint

[graceful geode]

Except they actually come back

[pale quartz]

So true

[fiery cave]

I think it is simple and we’re overestimating our enemy 🙄

[fiery cave]

Oh wait ur right

[boreal otter]

I don’t think that’s right. It’s well after the iron lords are established and the very beginning of the city age

[graceful geode]

I'll be sure to bring some water next time I fight some vex then

[boreal otter]

The iron lords were very much one of the things that brought the dark age to a close

[pale quartz]

Just melt Staisis with Solar and see how that works against the Vex🤣

[boreal otter]

Stasis isn’t ice

[pale quartz]

I know

Just screwing around

[graceful geode]

A new water subclass would work really well

[pale quartz]

Well the darkness is also called “the deep”

So maybe we will get a water subclass

[fiery cave]

Or instead of water we just learn to actually use radiolaria

[graceful geode]

That could be cool too a water like super that uses radiolaria

[toxic crater]

The question is, what aspect of consciousness would water represent

Stasis is control, strand is freedom or something similar

[graceful geode]

Strand is letting go of control

Maybe radiolaria could be related to structure or order
Then like another darkness subclass that's about useing the nightmares on the moon would be chaos. Might sound weird or dumb but just a thought since stasis and strand are opposites would be a cool concept to have two other darkness supers that are also opposites

[steady gull]

The only other option I can personally think of is losing control, which would probably be to become part-Taken, but that's a little abstract and would encroach on stasis or strand too easily

[steady gull]

Ooo right, maybe Anarchy in the form of the nightmares

[mild atlas]

Anarchy is like, the exact opposite of the stuff about Darkness though?

[steady gull]

There we go, and I've personally wanted yo see a Nightmare subclass since the concept was around

Nightmares are born of Darkness, but it's a twisted form of Darkness

[mild atlas]

So, Echoes?

[graceful geode]

The losing control is what me and my friend talked about before we had this idea that the other darkness sub could be about letting anger take over. Like how all the disciples of the Witness get into this frenzied form.

[steady gull]

The use of Control to destroy Control, wrenching souls' control away by eternally suspending them as echoes, yeah

[steady gull]

It's certainly possible that a Taken or Nightmare subclass could go that route

Our Guardian grows tired of the constant rise of one threat after another and snaps

Goes ballistic

I dunno that they'll do that, but I won't call it impossible

[boreal otter]

Strand is already playing on the flowing like water, so maybe a water subclass could for for the inevitability of erosion or something?

But stasis kinda also plays that route

[steady gull]

That would kinda be a subclass of a subclass so I doubt it, yeah

Cool concept idea though

[graceful geode]

It could be like one takes control of others and then another one takes control of you

[steady gull]

Yep, there it is, big boy using big boy words, my monke brain is pleased by this

Let him cook

[graceful geode]

Yeah that's why i think if it was water like it could be about something different than controlling

[graceful geode]

Lol-

[steady gull]

It'll prolly either be Nightmare or Part-Taken (the latter could be because Xivu) and our Guardian chooses violence

Xivu almost takes us and nearly drives us mad, then we turn the power to take on her

Could let us temporarily make our enemies turn on themselves

Turn red bar enemies into allies briefly

[graceful geode]

But yeah if it's water and it's radiolaria than it being about form and order makes sense like creating things and bringing order to stuff since that's how the vex kind of are in a way?

[graceful geode]

Yeah just can see that

I can't wait to see Xivu

[steady gull]

Stasis is about control and order already so that one's a tough sell, as badass as a Vex class would be

[graceful geode]

I want her to have her own expansion so bad because her siblings both got their own with it being named after them

[steady gull]

Dude I wanna fight a boss the size of a state so bad

Finna run fades with a small country

[graceful geode]

Right that's truuue

[graceful geode]

I mean the Witness was pretty big-

Biggest we've ever faced

Anything bigger and we will need more than just our light-

[steady gull]

Oh for sure, but he was the size of a small town at best including the tail, about as wide as a small building

Xivu is

REALLY BIG.

It's absurd

Granted, Witney was probably far stronger

[steady gull]

But yeah, we might have to drop the exterminatus upon that heretic

Nuclear dropkick from orbit

[graceful geode]

Would be interesting to fight something so big

[steady gull]

I firmly believe we're going to take back Torobatl as part of fighting Xivu, so it would be cool to have a raid where we get the planetary defenses of Torobatl back online to kill her after weakening her somehow

Obliterate her with a couple hundred planetary defense platforms warmind-style

[graceful geode]

Hopefully Xivus fight is good because she atleast to me has the potential to be the best out of three hive gods. I know Oryx done cool things and Savathûn is very strong now with the light but come on Xivu is literally called the hive god of war and she gets stronger no matter which side is winning she's almost unbeatable in war alone

[steady gull]

Indeed

I swear, if we have to kill her with kindness somehow I will riot

[graceful geode]

That would be sick especially getting to finally see Torobatl even if it'll look all hive like now

[graceful geode]

Befriend her!

With the power of love

[neat dirge]

she was stronger than Oryx before we severed the bond with war, but now we don’t know much about how strong she really is

[graceful geode]

Yeah I figured she'd be stronger and now she's mortal and kind of weaker with out her throne world but she definitely still has to have so much more power regardless of that

[whole oar]

What are the common story elements of this work that you are looking forward to compared to the original work?

[toxic crater]

I'm hoping for some relations to Elsie's time loop/ dark future

I doubt it'll happen, but it would be cool

[toxic crater]

Its possible that she might utilize an echo in the next episode

[graceful geode]

Honestly just anything new and anything that adds more and tells us more about the past, what exactly went on in the golden age and especially more lore on the Eliksni. I like them alot of aesthetic and lore so I'm hoping we get more on how they lived back on Riis and what exactly they did during the long drift

[graceful geode]

If she's the one that would be using an echo that could be interesting

[toxic crater]

If its not Xivu, then who else could have an echo

[graceful geode]

Though they did mention that there will be some new eldritch kind of stuff going on if I remember correctly

[toxic crater]

Yeah, like the dreadnought peeling/changing

Preventing akka from returing would be cool

I doubt we'd actually fight akka though

[graceful geode]

Mhm that stuff is what's interesting I'm guessing that echo maybe is like some echo of truth or something? Something to deal with revealing true forms of things

[graceful geode]

Would be cool if we atleast get to see them

[toxic crater]

Like deepsight on steroids

[graceful geode]

Lol pretty much

[thick ruin]

i heard destiny rising lore isnt canon is that true?

[frail breach]

Yea cuz its a spin off game based in a alternate universe

#1268046429402697838

[thick ruin]

idk i feel like making the game like that kind of ruins it almost like they are just making a spin off mobile game and just using the destiny name for publicity

it will be fun to try

[frail breach]

yep

[graceful geode]

I mean it's a separate team doing it so it kinda saves some effort for bungie, they don't have to fully sit there and correct them if they go off making new stories, just as long as it fits within the destiny world and makes sense to it than, plus they can still do canon stories and even show us things that we only know in lore and haven't seen in game

[summer ravine]

That's not milk. :^)

[graceful geode]

Radiolaria looks like milk so imma drink it like milk. :3

[summer ravine]

Vex think "simp" is a special Guardian subclass

[unique spruce]

I don’t think they even need to make new Destiny stories. There’s a lot of lore for them to use.

[graceful geode]

Yes there's so much lore for them to use so I do hope they use it and don't lean too much on the "alternative timeline" thing but I'm sure if they do then the will change the stories slightly in some ways

[earnest pumice]

It's canon. It's just a different canon.

[flint sinew]

they should make a lore booklet for destiny rising

[lament chasm]

Technically it could be Canon cuz remember the Exo Stranger in that one lore book kept going back in time (or to a different timeline) to stop the second collapse. So maybe it is canon.

DR is prob another one of those timelines

[unique spruce]

Thinking about it they might have to improvise a little to fill in some of the more vague parts of the lore

[agile plume]

I have a similar opinion, the stories in Destiny are so interesting from the lore books. Fill in some holes, and you have a whole new experience. It's probably my biggest gripe with d2 now. We barely get to see things outside our own perspective

[unique spruce]

Fax. I also hope they don’t turn the characters into muppets. Like how they did Zavala lol in the lore he’s a shrewd really skillful manager of the interests that run the tower. We got see none of that in the games and he was made into this one dimensional character.

[agile plume]

Playing warframe's New War quest felt amazing because it put you in your enemy's perspective. You got to see how your actions and the world affects enemy factions. It was dope

Not that I didn't enjoy the eliksni stories about saint-14 being a genocidal monster, but being able to experience their world by playing as the eliksni would not only innovate gameplay but make players excited. Hell we even have hive with the light now, and it took 2 years to finally add them into gambit (poor thing). I feel like the enemy factions have gotten so flat once they became our allies.

[unique spruce]

I had to stop playing D2 after curse of Osiris but the fact that Hive are getting to use the light is just too crazy to me given what we know they did over 100s of thousands of years

The enemy factions felt flat to me in anything after TTK 😆

[dim sand]

I think the hive got the light because of Savathuns sacrifices in trying to save the traveler. Which then she created her own army through that power graced upon her.

My understanding is light and darkness aren’t good and bad but just forces of nature. While they do have gods controlling them the darkness saga ended with us beating a pawn of the darkness and not darkness itself. The darkness does talk to us almost like an old friend. It doesn’t see us beating its pawn (the witness) as bad if anything it’s us embracing that form of belief (strong live weak die) whereas the light really only creates. Where darkness is to cull.

[unique spruce]

So she got to retain her memories after being resurrected by the traveler?

[dim sand]

Not really but she had a plan to get them back before her death. I can’t do a great job explaining it but there are plenty of YouTubers who go into depth on that.

[unique spruce]

Ngl I just looked into and what she did is really cool and fits well with what we know her to be as the most clever of the sisters.

But it also touches upon the problems that Osiris has with the existence of guardians which I hope they look at in rising. I’m rusty but I think his suspicion comes from the fact that as a newly revived person with missing memories it makes you an unassuming pawn in the traveler’s schemes which we may not fully understand

[compact igloo]

i remember hearing about that. i wish we got more of that with osiris in game instead of just whatever was happening in lightfall.... and i love me some good LGBTQ inclusion, but if that was combined with the deeper discussion why guardians exist, as you mentioned, it'd be much better

[frail breach]

Your pfp looks like a hybrid that consists of human, dog, and rabbit.

O also it has an engraved x-men uniform

[compact igloo]

good observations

[frail breach]

And it looks like it has Byakugan eyes

[compact igloo]

indeed

[frail breach]

Also it looks like it has tight skin

Whats the inspiration?

Is it an oc?

Why are the ears so big?

Why does it have a long forehead?

Why the x too?

[graceful geode]

You are very interested in that pfp lol

[compact igloo]

im starting to think it's a troll of some kind tbh

[frail breach]

I never seen anything like it

[compact igloo]

id rather discuss it in DMs tho. has nothing to do with destiny :)

[frail breach]

Oo right

[compact igloo]

[sorry about the break in relevancy lol]

[remote venture]

I’m curious, how powerful do yall think guardians will be compared to other game universes?

[cloud crag]

Ikora or someone said they were immortal warriors of the light 🫤

[cunning bison]

Which game universe?

[remote venture]

But if you pit guardians in a fight with other game’s super soldiers, how well would they fair?

[remote venture]

Any. I’m just curious as to who you think guardians will fair well against and who they will not

Like Spartans or Space Marines or Warframes or even Doom Guy. I’m curious as to your views on how powerful guardians can be

[cloud crag]

Fare well against primitive and present, fair horribly or equally against sci Fi games

[cunning bison]

Depends. If you kill a ghost you can kill the guardian permanently. So against perhaps a spartan? Perhaps a guardian. Against Master Chief? Depends on the guardian, but MC probably would win.

[remote venture]

Tbh ghosts are extremely durable things

It’s hard to destroy them

[cloud crag]

Honestly destiny guardians are on the very far immortal side of things

[cunning bison]

I sure do pick up a lot of ghost fragments though.

[remote venture]

With extremely powerful weapons or weapons imbued with paracausal powers being able to kill a ghost

[cloud crag]

like I tried to think of someone that could match like a guardian and the closest I got was Minecraft steve

[remote venture]

Yea tbh how durable ghosts are according to the lore can be inconsistent

With some saying they’re impossible to kill while others say a dreg can shoot down a ghost

[cloud crag]

Yeah but its probably because the enemies are hard I have never played a more ultimate evil/good game than d2

[cloud crag]

Survivorship bias??

[remote venture]

I’m just saying how the lore can be inconsistent at times

Cuz there are times where ghosts died to simple means while other times it’s really hard to kill them

[flint sinew]

we need a actual halo and destiny crossover event. their both bungie and they itll be great fan service!

[cloud crag]

Might not happen Microsoft v Sony should be resolved before 😭

[next quest]

Little late to the convo but something I always like to remember for guardian strength is how casually they can just disintegrate things by punching them

[torpid loom]

they did a little something like that in d2 already

brought in the halo magnum as the forerunner exotic sidearm, made this "bxr" pulse rifle that surely has something to do with the halo battle rifle hmmmmm

and they split the halo energy sword in half and made 2 legendary swords, half truths and the other half

nothing crazy but at least theres clear halo references

[thorny wraith]

They could have created a secret mission where you could combine both and get 'the final shape' lol

[proper axle]

is it in the lore that everyone you carry through Presage gets calus mini tool but you aren't allowed to

[proper axle]

i really don't know why they made it two swords. they could have made it one sword and then spent the extra dev time making a 720rpm frame auto rifle that looks like the MA5B

not to mention The Other Half's drop rate is literally like 0.001%

so it basically isn't even in the game

[cloud crag]

I got a god roll 3 years ago

Or whenever season of the lost was about to ejd

[copper jay]

hi hi hi hi hi

[flint sinew]

yes iknew about that. that why i brought up this idea 😅

[graceful geode]

Hello hello!

[copper jay]

wazzaup my men

[graceful geode]

I wonder if they will also add other species as playable characters being able to play as an Eliksni, Cabal, or hive would be cool but I don't know if they will go down that path unless maybe thsoe races get the light in the story

[graceful geode]

Nothing much what's up with you?

[copper jay]

Nothing just wondering here and making some new friends on the main chat haha

[graceful geode]

Nice nice

[copper jay]

Soup the racoon may I ask why soup the racoon?

If you dont mind but if not its okay. 🙂

[copper jay]

i'm just hoping about less gatchas 😦

[graceful geode]

Raccoon because fav animal and soup because of old gamer tags

[graceful geode]

I haven't played a gatcha game but I know of them

I don't think this will be like them but honestly if it is i probably wouldn't mind because it's destiny lol

[copper jay]

Yes we love destiny

[graceful geode]

Yes I looooove destiny!

[copper jay]

We love you all have a goodnight hahhaa

[graceful geode]

Goodnight!? What time is it for you?

[copper jay]

sleeping time 😦

[graceful geode]

Damn it's wake up time for me :3

[copper jay]

Oh my do you have class?

[graceful geode]

Nah no classes

[copper jay]

Ohhhhh I seeraccoon I will remember that name that is for sure haha

souptheraccoon

[graceful geode]

Pfft yeah it's a name that is kinda hard to forget lol

[copper jay]

yeah its like something new to me, but I will not forget haha soup the racoon

[graceful geode]

Yes may my name forever stay burned into your mind >:3

[copper jay]

Yeah I will not forget and will not be forgotten hahha soup the raccoon haha

[warm atlas]

Came here for lore, found a Racoon named Soup

[tame echo]

Lol, love that username. Soup the Raccoon, nice.

[copper jay]

Yeah we need to remember

[graceful geode]

Hey this raccoon is also here for lore

[graceful geode]

Thanks lol

[torpid loom]

Is the raccoon called soup or are we dumping soup on the raccoon

[graceful geode]

I am named Soup and can be covered in soup

[torpid loom]

Soop time

[graceful geode]

Yesss

Soup timmmme

[graceful geode]

Also cute pfp!

[torpid loom]

Ty!!

[graceful geode]

No prob! :3

[unique spruce]

The closest game universe equivalent to the power of a guardian i think would a Jedi or a biotic from mass effect.

[graceful geode]

A Gaurdian fighting a Jedi or Sith would be cool to see

[grand lake]

Cool until a warlock trows his nova bomb

[graceful geode]

I feel like they could survive that maybe

[grand lake]

But like, escaoe from it? Or take it

[graceful geode]

I mean if strong enough then take it but I imagine you could use the force to hold it back

[unique spruce]

Hold it back or absorb it

[graceful geode]

Yes that too I forgot that absorbing energy is a thing

[unique spruce]

Like yoda did to Count dookus lighting attack

Do the Jedi have a void energy equivalent?

[graceful geode]

Um I dunno
They have an arc equivalent tho

Actually I think maybe they do but that might be soke legends stuff which legends is just full of powerful characters

Yeah in legends there's a move called "force storm" which apparently you can manipulate the weather and even create worm holes- which sounds crazy so I guess if you were to put a character in legends against a Jedi or sith you'd have a much more interesting fight with a Gaurdian

[copper jay]

raccoon my man wazzp

[unique spruce]

There are pretty strong characters in legends now that you mention it. There’s a master that can Jedi mind trick demoralize entire battlefields lol guardians might end up losing in that aspect

[graceful geode]

I'm sure if we get the strongest Gaurdians against them they may stand a chance

[graceful geode]

Yoooo

[ebon jasper]

the arrival of the traveler was so influential they made a damn play after it?? 🥴

[remote venture]

From my views, guardians will win. But I’m more or less thinking of stronger guardians like Ikora, Saint, or just the Guardian. I say the biggest power difference is the difference between the force and the light. The force is the energy of life. The energy that binds and connect all living beings. The light, on the other hand, is the power of creation. Being able to change the universe down to the molecular scale. I feel that difference in what those two powers are is the defining factor as to who will win

It’s not about the individual abilities of each power but rather the overall concepts each of them represent

[queen mountain]

I mean, with it came an entire civilization's rebirth did it not?

[ebon jasper]

it makes sense

[remote venture]

I want flight combat in Destiny

[graceful geode]

Like in star wars battlefront? With fighting in space against enemy ships, that could be cool

[remote venture]

Exactly

[unique spruce]

Big fax. Guardians can create weapons from the light and the Jedi don’t have an answer for that. What do you do when you don’t understand how bullets are generating lightning at you lol

[unique spruce]

Screw attack should get on this

[royal condor]

I have been thinking this for years

like I want to see my ship used in combat

like when plunders came out I was hoping we would get just that with the ships but sadly not

[graceful geode]

Same i wanted to have it in lightfall since there was a whole space fight. Would have been cool to be apart of it

[royal condor]

like imagine railjack from warframe or as you said star wars battlefront style

doesn't have to the ships either I would be happy with space supers and then space combat in that kinda way

[graceful geode]

Definitely both i can see, like having our own Ketch or Cabal flag ship and then being able to operate it and also leave it in some weaponized jump ship

[royal condor]

this is the kinda innovation I hope the bring with the new shake up of frontiers

I mean honestly it could be it's own game and in that case so long as it was done well I would buy it

[graceful geode]

Yeah I was gonna say that if it can't be in destiny 2 the definitely some spin off like taking place in the future or it could be about the other races we have, a game that takes place in be Eliksni home world and you play as a Kell the goes through the experience of the Whirlwind and then the after math and you have to survive going to different planets and places while building a crew. Same could be applied to the Cabal and hive the hive would definitely have a lot going on i mean imagine getting to play as one of the hive gods and fight against other races we haven't seen before in game

[remote venture]

I actually have a flag ship concept

It’s of a massive dreadnought ship (one inspired by the UNSC Infinity from halo)

[graceful geode]

Having our own flag ship would be so cool, you could have the potential to customize it and walk around it and have different vendors and other characters in it. It would be like the Dojos in warframe and the railjack idea in one kinda

[graceful geode]

Ooo i like the sound of that so far

[royal condor]

I mean if another talented people work on it a destiny space combat game probs would go quite well the problem is if bungie wants to do that

warframe + star wars is probably the best basis for this kinda game as you get nice customisation with good combat systems

[graceful geode]

Yeah thats true, hopefully one day we can see that become reality

[unique spruce]

It would be awesome if you had to spacefight as part of a raid. Like hey fight past the big bads forces in space to then do the ground part of the raid

[remote venture]

Like that one game mode from the original battlefront games?

[bitter roost]

Not even part of raid, imagine using your ship like your sparrow, actually traveling actually flying places, there’s no way a guardian can’t infuse future tech with some solar, arc blink during combat, there is so much bungie could do. SRL?! SHIP RACING LEAGUE? 🤣🤣 I want to fly circles around triangles and shoot down threshers and cabal carriers. Otherwise might as well fast travel planet to planet. But Fr bring back srl

[wispy charm]

That game was amazing. Battlefront 2 (the original).

Dogfighting between the carriers, then landing inside to disable shield generators so bombers can wreak havoc on them.

[queen mountain]

Watch those wrist rockets!

[wispy charm]

Every. Time.

If not, then stray grenades.

[queen mountain]

I think it would be really nice to touch on some characters we never got to properly meet. New characters are cool as well of course, but being able to play as Wei Ning or Andal Brask would be nice.

Or Toland

[unique spruce]

Yeah like that. Or like the encounters in Starfield.

[unique spruce]

Toland definitely. Apparently he saw some stuff lol

[queen mountain]

Toland went out of his way to listen to Ir Yût's Deathsong, dude is bonkers

If this is Dark Age, could we also maybe see the first major assault on our Moon?

[turbid citrus]

It's very possible

But given this is a completely alternative timeliness the assault on the moon may never happen

[queen mountain]

I think we'll still see plenty of Hive, they gotta set up shop somewhere.

[turbid citrus]

Well they definitely aren't on the moon yet in the Dark Age

We know Crota opened the conflux because we are seen fighting Vex

[queen mountain]

I also wanna know who our Eliksni Iron Lord is

[unique spruce]

Possible we are late dark dark age early city age

[turbid citrus]

The assault on the moon happens years after the Vanguard was founded

[unique spruce]

This is true.

[turbid citrus]

Around the time Osiris was exiled

[unique spruce]

I think Osiris was exiled much later no?

[queen mountain]

I think it was alluded to that Osiris is playable

[turbid citrus]

Him being exiled is what caused Guardians like Eris Morn to question the Vanguard which is why they disobeyed a direct order and went into the Hell Mouth

And discovered the Hive invasion

This is an alternative timeline but I do hope we see our little rat boii (Drifter) but he'll probably still be Dredgen Yor

[unique spruce]

But the order in which it happened I believe is warlord era, lunar assault, twilight gap and then his exile?

With the incipient lunar raid after ward?

[turbid citrus]

Twilight Gap was before because the Titan order was created after the War of 4 Fronts which was RIGHT before Twilight Gap

Then we had the Lunar Assualt

[unique spruce]

Would be great to see him get his due. He’s basically gojo saturu lol

[turbid citrus]

Because both Bray and Osiris were gone and it made us lose because they were some of the most powerful Guardians

Not like we would have won anyway

[queen mountain]

Who are some good warlocks we could see in here? Lord Felwinter, Osiris, and Toland can't be the only 3 big ones

[turbid citrus]

But we wouldn't have lost over 100 thousand Guardians

[unique spruce]

Which ultimately led to Rezyl Azzirs fall

Rose to thorn

[turbid citrus]

We have to remember this is an alternative timeline so there is no telling who exists

[unique spruce]

I think it’s still possible to see that lunar assault because they gotta give us some meaty conflict lol

[turbid citrus]

What's more meaty than actual time in the Warlord times??

There is a possibility we'll be killing other Guardians

Bad Warlords like that one titan..

I forgot his name but he's the one that gave us the hover boards as gifts of peace

[unique spruce]

This is true but they weren’t necessarily organized fighting forces. The most dramatic occurrence I can think of in that era is felwinters betrayal

[turbid citrus]

I Hope we witness that

[unique spruce]

Slaying rogue light bearers would be super cool tho lol

[turbid citrus]

Felwinter's Lie

And his deeper ties with his father Rasputin

[unique spruce]

Im really hoping that his ties to Rasputin are explored because of what rasputin did just before the darkness ended the golden age

[flint sinew]

imagine a covenant ship dropping off , brutes and grunts. on a specific mission .

[unique spruce]

I was flabbergasted that neither D1 nor D2 made Rasputin answer for it

[turbid citrus]

He did in Season of the Seriph

It was a very small lore piece but he said he regrets what he did between a audio log of him and Ana Bray

He was SPECIFIC but it's heavily implied

Wasn't*

[unique spruce]

Ugh see that’s what I mean lol bungie had that deep issue that guardians could have wrestled with and it got a small little lore piece

[turbid citrus]

Hell they've already confirmed Hunters, Titans and Warlocks don't even exist yet

So it's early to mid Dark Age

Because 3/4 through the Dark Age, Salad Bar founded the Iron Lords

Then the Vanguard was founded during the mid to late City Age

[unique spruce]

With our boy Osiris as the first commander! Lol this I want to see

[turbid citrus]

Exactly he was the most powerful Guardian along side his boyfriend Saint-14

Who at the time was still "the Son of the Speaker"

Early Saint 14 can be seen in the comic series

[unique spruce]

I’ll need to explore that comic. I have no idea what Osiris nor 14 were doing pre vanguard

[turbid citrus]

He sporting steel and purple Parade armor lol

Oh yeah, definitely

[unique spruce]

Looks like the lunar assault did happen while Osiris was vanguard commander. But I think he was against it and Zavala and company including the speaker did it anyway

But if we are early to mid dark age we don’t see it

We would def see saint 14 beating people up tho lol

We might just be seeing Osiris and Saint beating the stuffing out of rogue light bearers and the other enemies lol apparently that was their thing in the dark ages

[winter belfry]

Since Destiny Rising will take place during the Dark Age, what Guardians do you think we will see be playable in the game that haven't been confirmed yet?

[crisp solar]

i dont think lysander is a guardian tho

idr any direct mention of him being a guardian, just his faction wanting to dispose of the consensus and replace it with guardian rule

[sour elk]

He was a spartan military leader and things I read not a guardian

[turbid citrus]

Lysander is technically a Guardian

He was one of the most brutal of War Lords and was exiled from the first city council for his radicalism

I'll dm you his art

[crisp solar]

that is definitly not what lysander looks like lol

thats also fanart by brian moncus

that is infact a comission he made for someone lol

[turbid citrus]

Fair enough but there is still the lore

[copper jay]

Where is the raccoon

[graceful geode]

Don't know if anyone said it but there's Aunor, she's the leader or atleast apart of the Praxis Order and she's a hidden agent for Ikora, she takes down rouge Gaurdians and was investigating Drifter in ghe mission where you can pick between working with thw Drifter or work with the Vanguard which had you working with Aunor

[graceful geode]

The raccoon here

[copper jay]

I think youre not sleeping

[graceful geode]

I've slept for a little like an hour or two

Maybe less

[torpid loom]

omg raccoon hi

[graceful geode]

Hello!

[subtle wind]

In the Golden Age, "The Arrival of the Traveler" stood as one the most celebrated plays of all time, spreading joy and gratitude towards the unexpected visitor who bestowed gifts upon humanity beyond all imagination.
Yknow, its kinda nice if they plan to expand and flesh out the Golden Age some more. Feels like D2 only wants to explore the same few characters and orgs they introduced in D1.

[graceful geode]

Yeah we've gotten alot of just the same characters so it's gonna be refreshing to play as new experience and hopefully have a story that gives us way more characters that deserves some attention

[subtle wind]

But also that seeing remnants of truly new things from the GA might reignite some of that mystery that D1 had.

[graceful geode]

Yeah true

[copper jay]

You need to sleep again

[vital heron]

Lore don’t sleep and neither does Soup

[copper jay]

my friend raccoon OH MY

Who are you now? owl?

[flint sinew]

hope devs release full lore book. ill buy it

[vital heron]

Course, you frog?

[copper jay]

No did you see animal? on my profile? 🙂

[vital heron]

The animation around your pfp?

[copper jay]

ah yeah that one. I think so Soemone gifted that to me 😄

[vital heron]

Free da

[graceful geode]

Exaaaaaactly

[royal condor]

drifter is dredgen hope not dredgen yor dredgen yor was killed by shin malphur

[copper jay]

Dont sleep if you will gonna wake up again.

[visual plover]

Praxis-order smuggles spice

[graceful geode]

I loooove spice

[cunning bison]

I hope to see Jolder in this as it's set during the time of the Iron Lords

[graceful geode]

It is set during that time

We will definitely have iron lord characters to play as

[cunning bison]

Well in the trailer the wolf character is wearing an iron lord cape if I'm not mistaken

[graceful geode]

Yes thst will be an iron lord im sure of it, just don't know which one

[cunning bison]

One of the hunters I think

[violet gale]

I need to know does this new game play into the paraverse idea brought up in the 30th anniversary pack?

[spare kiln]

all we know is that it's an alternate timeline

[robust lake]

Ahamkara or riot

[vital heron]

They probably started working on rising before the 30th anniversary so I think it’s just going to be an alternate timeline

[copper jay]

goodbye bro raccoon

[graceful geode]

:3

[hushed roost]

pretty much this, people forget netease invested just over 5 years ago now, early rising development would have started not long after.

[marble delta]

I know it's a stretch, but a golden opportunity they have here is to use the female spirit of the traveler idea that Bungie toyed with back in early D1 development. And then make her a 5 star in the gacha lol.

[pale quartz]

Imagine they make the Gardenor playable yes I know how unlikely that is

[graceful geode]

The Gardener and The Winnower as playable characters lol

[vital heron]

Now they could have changed the direction of the story based on the ideas introduced in the anniversary, but id say it's unlikely. Tho they might still add an easter egg referencing it

[bitter roost]

You’re slightly wrong here, Lysander and his faction the concordat gifted us the skimmers as an apology for the pre faction war era (d1) Lysander was never a warlord during the dark age/pre tower times, he was a faction leader who rose to prominence in the early years of the tower. You may be confused with lord citan, who ruled a fortress atop a peak who would be of the last remaining warlords gunned down by felwinter and the iron lords, claiming the stronghold as felwinters peak

[graceful geode]

Lysander is an interesting character, I honestly like when destiny got kinda political in season of the splicer the idea of having non Lightbearers going against Gaurdians and having negative opinions on them, just always is a cool story beat that adds way more layers to the universe instead of it being fighting aliens with cool powers, I hope destiny rising has things like that where maybe we can do missions and do little things for the people to gain trust, kinda like the reputation in red dead tho I highly doubt we'd get something like that I still would like to see it in a destiny game eventually

[bitter roost]

I agree, especially with the fact the our pc is a character named wolf, really hoping as I said before that it’s not another strong and silent type, in d1 were spoken to so directly and with such importance that it makes it that much more sad when you haven’t fostered that relationship in any such way. Being able to respond directly or even have tasks of trust/reputation/karma type of approach would fit nicely. Lore wise destiny has so many fantastic stories, it feels we more watch it happen instead of actually feeling apart of it. Really excited to see what will be revealed

[graceful geode]

I knoooow right like I get it that having a silent character means you can put yourself in their shoes more but honestly you can still do that with a character that talks too.. and it sucks that destiny 1 and 2 didn't make the Gaurdian talk more like imagine if they talked more in everything, like talking to ghost when they scan stuff, or talking back to characters after they say stuff, and even having voice lines after beating enemies or doing an action would be so cool. And then add more choices, it was a big surprise for me when I saw the option to pick Drifter or the Vanguard in drfiters season and I thought It'd have a bigger impact but it really didn't and that sucks.. like that would have definitely given more unique interactions in dialog and story moments. Like imagine having one buddy who plays the game by the books and is good with the Vanguard and the you play your own way and do alot more rouge things and then the story is so different between the two

[graceful geode]

Yes lots of woooords

And yeah our Gaurdian just needs to speak more. It would add so much more to story and to cutscenes

[heavy crag]

Costs more. Instead of one VA for Zavala per language, they need to hire a VA for work for each body type and each race in each language. So unless you're fine paying more, silent protagonist it is

[next quest]

Didn't they recently just cut back on it to being two voice actors for male and female for all the more recent player character voice acting

[graceful geode]

We already do pay more when it comes to the cost of pre-orders and silver, plus they don't need to charged more if the game sells good, Elden Ring didn't make their game expensive despite it having so much going on but I suppose that's maybe different either way I do understand that it cost more to have more voice acting, but I also would like to see more in game.

[graceful geode]

Mayhe? I don't remember hearing anything about that

[heavy crag]

I highly doubt that the income earned from putting that in the game would justify the cost. And clearly all were here for is to bankroll Parsons car collection

[graceful geode]

Well as of rn yes spending more is dumb because of it going towards dumb decisions. But let's say bungie never had those negatives if it was just a decent company with no big negative things going on with it's workers or the game then I think they could make good money with out charging more like if the game was just constantly doing good every expansion and season than they wouldn't be much fall in sales

[next quest]

I could be wrong in that, but for some reason I was under the impression this was a change that happened.

Tbh tho thinking about that, idk why that isn't just the case in the first place

Neat as it is, I don't think there needs to be that many VA for a single character that really only needs two

Likewise, I've never been about the "immerse yourself" and "you take the role, so your character doesn't speak" angles. I can still immerse myself and indentify with the player character while them also having some of their own identity too

[graceful geode]

Exactly

Like cyberpunk you make your own character but they still have their own personality that you can shape throughout the choices that's cool to me

I'd rather relate to my character than be my character

Tho it depends if it's like some dnd game or just dnd in general than yeah I'm being myself while also adding some dramatic flair to it to fit the role

[next quest]

And on the note of choices too, if they don't really want to up the costs with different dialogue and acting tied to it, they can leave those parts text based, but cutscenes meant for their impact should def be voice acted.

I don't want to only be a window into the story, I want to also feel part of it. Player guardian talking is a step towards that

[graceful geode]

Also i feel like if they really want to make multiple VAs for different races of the main character than they should have added unique dialog like our character saying different things depending on what race they are or even gender

Like the only unique things is that in DSC your recognized as an exo and Petra and Queen Mara recognize you as an awoken with some dialog

[graceful geode]

Yes exactly. It feels like everytime we are in a story mission it's us listening to the strory and just being in the background whole other's talk and occasionally mention us

In Final Shape tho it felt really good that our character talked alot in the beginning
Actually having us talk to a character is nice

There's some other minor times of this too

[next quest]

Even just a little bit is nice

I hate to always go back to Forsaken, but even with our character's minimal dialogue, all the right notes were hit

[graceful geode]

Yeah true

[heavy dome]

I'm a little concerned about the story for this game not mattering since it will be in an alternateve timeline. Unless I missed something that means things will be different than we already know and things wont matter that we do?

[graceful geode]

I mean it'll still matter just only for itself and not for the main story of destiny

[limber rose]

What? They surely have more than enough money to get the voice actors. If the protag talks all the time, maybe not, but if the young wolf just talks about as much as Master Chef, it'll be fine.

[heavy crag]

I don't pretend to understand the financial health of a company that has been notorious for its burn rate in the industry. Idk why you're so confident. You do realize when one company gives another company multiple billions of dollars, it comes with terms and conditions about how that money is spent, ya?

[limber rose]

I'm saying that they could just find non-celebrity / up and coming voice actors and only have them record a couple of lines. Bungie requires a big budget, but voice acting is just a fraction of a fraction of that.

[torpid loom]

You're both right tbh
VA's need to be paid enough fs and even with those billions of dollars the allocation might not be enough, but at least the one thing we know is that the financial allocation and investments in multiple projects has shown that bungie higher ups are just throwing the money around

[limber rose]

After all, a lot of that initial Sony money was for employee retention, and we see how that panned out

[torpid loom]

Even if VA's were to be cheaper there's still no guarantee things will go right

But ok wait I just realised this is netease and not bungie so ok we should be ok at least

[wide zealot]

Will the lore be written by Bungie or NetEase?

[torpid loom]

Netease with some guidance from bungie I'm assuming for everything in the game

[limber rose]

Alejandro Saab will inexplicably be here, I bet.

Although he's mostly on Hoyoverse's payroll

[torpid loom]

Yep

I think out of every VA in the industry, basic expectation is Matt Mercer on at least a minor role

Since he's already voiced a number of individuals

Well not a number, but fikrul and male human voice at least

[graceful geode]

🦝

[wide flax]

Man.. what I wouldn't do to become a voice for one of the ghosts. Almost became one with Termino, if anyone knows that.

[graceful geode]

Termino? Never heard of it i don't think, and yeah being the voice for a character would be really cool

[copper jay]

hi raccoon

[graceful geode]

Heeeey Everceeeent!

[copper jay]

Hryyyaaaaa how r u?

[graceful geode]

I'm good how are you?

[copper jay]

good as well

[graceful geode]

That's good

[low hatch]

i need someone to teach me the lore of destiny, I’ll zelle them

[remote venture]

What question doth thou have?

[low hatch]

how did cabal get pregnant?

[remote venture]

…

Probably same as any other mammal. Except it’s the males that give birth and breastfeed

Don’t look at me look at the lore tabs!

[low hatch]

probably? but probably isn’t the answer I need, I need firm answers

[remote venture]

Dude this isn’t a s3x ed class. If ya want answers then just go to Google

[low hatch]

ne sha di

[graceful geode]

Normally? All that's know is that male Cabal have pouches for their babies

[remote venture]

If ya have more reasonable Destiny questions then I’ll gladly help to the best of my abilities

[low hatch]

Omg thank you so much!!!

i love your profile pic 🫶

[graceful geode]

Is it the males? I have to go back and read it , I thought it was just normal females give birth and then the males take care of the babies

[graceful geode]

Oh heh thanks m! ^^

[remote venture]

I believe the males give birth. Unless I read the lore wrong

Maybe I should check as well

Ah guess I was wrong

My bad

[graceful geode]

So it is just normal seggs

[remote venture]

So yea it is the males that cares for the infant

[remote venture]

Ye

[low hatch]

you’re so knowledgeable on destiny, can I ask more questions?

[graceful geode]

Yeah they got the pouches like kangaroos and takke care of them

[graceful geode]

Well I ain't that knowledgeable but sure ask away

[remote venture]

They also are the ones who lactate. Also apparently Calus has purple nipples

[graceful geode]

Yes i beilive this information came from lightfalls collocation edition yeah? I remember that having lots of cabal lore

[remote venture]

Yea there was an excerpt from Caital and it was literally just her describing how Calus fed her

[graceful geode]

It's actually very interesting, males taking care of the young like sea horses in away, and yeah I'm remembering it now

[remote venture]

Ngl that was kinda weird imo

[queen mountain]

Calus is still one of the worst Destiny dads

I mean, remember Caiatl's warbeast?

[remote venture]

Yup. Bro did not like that his daughter loved a pet more than her own father

[graceful geode]

Calus also grabbed a handful of his babies and gave them back because didn't want babies from someone who didn't love him the way he wants

[remote venture]

Who could’ve guessed

[queen mountain]

Dude was off his rocker

[remote venture]

Calus seems like a really good father. Also he had more than one kid?

[graceful geode]

Yeah

[queen mountain]

And the Witness put up statues of him alongside Rhulk and Nezarec?

[remote venture]

Damn. Father of the year everybody

[graceful geode]

Well maybe they weren't his but he took care of them because he got with the mom

[remote venture]

Tbh how many disciples did the Witness even have? Cuz there didn’t seem to be a lot

[graceful geode]

He has alot i think

Well "it" had a lot

[queen mountain]

Many, many disciples. Similar to Calus' Shadows

[remote venture]

If he did then why dafuq didn’t the Witness just use his disciples to defend the Heart of the Traveler while they were final shaping the universe?

[queen mountain]

I think up until Calus' recruitment and Nezarec's accidental resurrection, Rhulk stood alone

[remote venture]

Hm

[queen mountain]

The last and greatest Disciple

[graceful geode]

Because there's definitely been other followers of the Witness. Like the dread just like how tormentors and subjugators are from Nezzy and Rhulk I imagine that maybe there was other disciples from those races it took over

[remote venture]

Kinda feel it was a missed opportunity to have some disciples as bosses in TFS campaign

[queen mountain]

Rhulk also himself made many disciples

[graceful geode]

They are most likely ded or in other places, there's lore of one disciple that claimed to be used only as a weapon for the Witness, this disciple questioned why the Witness lies about what the final shape was and questioned if the Witness even knew what it was itself

[queen mountain]

What's most interesting is that each disciple has a different vision in mind of what The Final Shape is. Hell Nezarec's purpose directly contradicts what The Witness shows us as it enacts TFS

Same braincell?

[remote venture]

Yea like the hive’s idea was the sword logic. Calus thought it was riches. And wasn’t Rhulk’s similar to the sword logic?

[graceful geode]

It's because the Witness just wanted loyal followers

[remote venture]

Bro really wanted that Twitter blue check

[graceful geode]

Yes lol

[queen mountain]

And Nezarec wanted to inflict as much suffering on the universe as possible.

[remote venture]

I like how guardians just casually wipe entire species into extinction

I find it funny how pineapples are extinct

[graceful geode]

But yeah it's this idea i forget what's it's called but in this same lore tap the disciple explained how the final shape thing worked and how lieing about it effected it's followers. But like Rhulk this disciple didn't really care about it

[queen mountain]

The biggest lore related thing for me is trying to figure out what they were trying to commune with on the Vesper Station, why build that Anomaly etc

[remote venture]

I thought Rhulk’s idea of the final shape was the strong over the weak. That was the reason he wiped his entire planet, right? Cuz he saw them as weak

[remote venture]

I think it’s either a vex mind or a completely new enemy

[graceful geode]

Well yeah that is his view but remember that Rhulk was the first and most loyal. He knew what the Witness wanted and beilived in it

[remote venture]

Oh yea

[graceful geode]

Atleast from what I remember, I don't think Rhulk knew exactly everything but he definitely had the most understanding of them

[queen mountain]

I think what took over their bodies was vex in nature, its possible they were attempting to reach a mind.

Nothing came out of that portal though.

Thats the weird part, seemingly nothing happened

[graceful geode]

Well it could have been but the Eliksni felt emotional things from this hive mind stuff. The Vex don't know emotion or feel anything

[remote venture]

Well a message did come from the portal

It was cut off before anyone could have the chance to read it

[queen mountain]

oh

[remote venture]

Someone sent a message in, and a reply came

[graceful geode]

That's because it's just a giant phone basically its just for communication

[queen mountain]

I doubt Atrax felt anything. She was a reanimated corpse.

[remote venture]

She ded

[graceful geode]

Not her but the living Eliksni crew there

[remote venture]

This some zombie movie level bs right here

[queen mountain]

It's like the Glykon, but en mass

[remote venture]

Yea

[queen mountain]

And honestly a lot more concerning

[graceful geode]

Yeah there's definitely multiple things at play
The vex and Eliksni plus something else contributed to this anomaly

[remote venture]

We know what happened on the Glykon. Vesper, on the other hand, is still a mystery

I like when mystery is re-added into Destiny

[graceful geode]

Saame it's cool to speculate what could be going on

[queen mountain]

It could tie into Apollo

[remote venture]

Probably

[queen mountain]

Spire was about finding Neomuna, Warlord's Ruin suggested Scorn having more of a set culture and structure

Maybe this was about finding out what lies beyond Sol

[remote venture]

Fikrul allows the scorn to do slap poetry

[queen mountain]

I'm just imagining Vogon poetry and really wished I wasn't.

[remote venture]

There’s an entire lore tab of just scorn poetry

Or at least one verse of it

[queen mountain]

Interesting, I didn't know that

[remote venture]

It’s new

This season

[graceful geode]

The scorn becoming there own people is cool just wish Fikrul didn't force it on Eliksni, I thought that he'd be good in a way like he wanted the scorn to be free but instead he's trying to turn all Eliksni into scorn now and just like with Maya I imagine he will find away to turn others into Scorn like versions

[remote venture]

He’s just continuing what Uldrin ordered him to do

[graceful geode]

Yeah unfortunately

Wonder how it will end because Maya is out there so I wonder if Fikrul will live and we will get a team that all have echos and will work together against us

[remote venture]

I hope we get to end Fikrul

Ep. 1: Echoes was really anticlimactic

[graceful geode]

I hope so too even tho I'd like to see him spared and good but that's just wishful thinking
I'll be really satisfied having Eramis being good and on our side fully if it means Fikrul and his scorn get put down and finally rest

[remote venture]

Hehe. Eramis in therapy is funny

[graceful geode]

Yessss and you can just talk to her

She gets upset your there yet she still opens up and talks

[remote venture]

Guess therapy is working

[graceful geode]

Yes it is. It's really cool having all the main Eliksni characters in one episode now if they also started giving us in game looks at some Eliksni from lore that would make it even better

[ancient patrol]

I legit don't even understand the ending... Maya just... gets up and goes? Kinda weird.

[graceful geode]

Yeah she's just flees with the echo of command and goes into hiding

[ancient patrol]

Yah know what I would have liked to have seen... an Echo in the hands of a Guardian.

[flint sinew]

ineed to read every canon destiny book , to increase my knowledge. this timeline though , im going to need more explaining once alpha beta release

[pseudo osprey]

Hello guys. When will the game be officially released?

[cunning bison]

no one knows yet Alpha Test is 11/1

[pseudo osprey]

Thank you

[mystic ingot]

Dam

[spice wasp]

its not like the echoes are necessarily going anywhere, so we might end up with some kinda dark age adjacent dlc where a guardian/lightbearer ends up with an echo and becomes a modern day warlord

[wraith citrus]

Do we know how far removed from the main timeline js this universe?

[modern sapphire]

Fully removed from the timeline/univere

It is its own game with its own story, just using destinys IP

[sick sparrow]

I was looking forward to a scenario like that since forsaken and with drifter. If its done right itll be really cool

[wraith citrus]

👍

[modern sapphire]

[graceful geode]

[wraith raptor]

chief keef should be in this game

[next quest]

turn echo of command into exotic gauntlets for all 3 classes and give you the same perk as Memory of Timur

[remote venture]

Give me an exotic that is just a pistol but instead of shooting you throw it

[wispy charm]

I swear that was a thing in a game. The pistol doubled as a grenade.

I can't remember what game though.