lore-discussion

[undone falcon]

Ye, got the two mixed up.

[vapid tapir]

yup, and the first "official" Eliksni ally we had was Mithrax

[subtle wind]

hold the phone, this means they could be playable

[kindred vector]

Well they gota follow some rules locked skill set or no for example you can’t have a hunter pop a shield in a fight

[thorn depot]

One could argue Variks, but then the whole prison of elders debacle

[vapid tapir]

I can't send the image sadly

[subtle wind]

house of wolves were loyal to the awoken as well for quite a long time before Skolas broke out

[vapid tapir]

It was a npc sadly, they had some kind of quest icon or something

[undone falcon]

tell that to Ikora. >.<

[subtle wind]

but, we have a hero system, where each character is a lore character. Nothing is stopping an Eliksni from being one if theyre allies in this timeline

[thorn depot]

They'd be dumb not to add Eliksni as heroes, and new timeline means they can make them Guardians, since im guessing the only heroes will be ones who have ghosts

[subtle wind]

its not like destiny proper where that would cause issues with armor and story

[kindred vector]

I mean has a hunter pop a barricade before

[undone falcon]

True, but if New Monarchy holds the same 'values' as they did in mainline...the modern group did side with FWC during splicer.

[vapid moth]

i mean theres a vendor captian that looks very gaurdian-ey in the vidoc

[vapid tapir]

Felwinter did a some kind of shoulder charge to a warlord so...

[subtle wind]

its probably different if there are already ties with allied eliksni. the factions didnt hate them out of some racial superiority, they hated them because of history

[thorn depot]

Theres all sorts of abilities that guardians could do, Solar Warlocks used to beable to self revive in any activity

[vapid moth]

youve gotta remeber this is pre tower, even if its a diff timeline theres no real hunter/warlock/titan its just kinda do whatever you want

[thorn depot]

Back in Destiny 1

[kindred vector]

Yes i know i played d1 but there are still boundaries that separate each class

[cunning bison]

Imagine they do something like Ablion Online, where you can switch classes by changing your armor!

[subtle wind]

classes are social constructs in canon. Any hunter can cast a barricade, technically, they just dont because its not their style. Someone who identifies as a hunter is generally more fast moving and fluid.

[undone falcon]

Na na na, that's not what I'm saying.
In forsaken it's explained that the Light abilities that current guardians are known for is because they are kind of chosen to represent a faction that was established during the dark ages and given the knowledge for by their ghosts. Like military units, specialists if you will.
OG lighbearers wouldnb't hae any such restrictions because their ghosts wouldn't give them "pre installed software" if you will. They'd be developing on instinct and skill.

[undone falcon]

True, there could have been some none feral ketches that traded instead of raided

[vapid moth]

that would be cool, i still doubt its gonna be class based. like i said its pre tower organization. and since its a chinese dev'ed F2P netease game, when you have classes you limit yourself, no classes you can promote cooler looking gatcha baners

[kindred vector]

Alright Gotcha

[subtle wind]

plus twilight gap probably hasnt happened.

[vapid moth]

dont worry about what happens in our timeline, its stated to be a diff timeline all together, what are the odds that 1/2 of our stuff happens there? what if we get darkness right away? etc

[subtle wind]

well, regardless its just too early for twilight gap.

Anything else is up to them, they have free reign to go in whatever direction they want

[undone falcon]

Is true is true.
But Like with Simulation saint-14 still being Saint-14 but with slightly different versions of the same events. Or Maya looking for "Her" Chioma but finding them to be all spiritually the same if from different events and discarding even the one that was her original because it didn't fit what she wanted.... it'll be interesting to see what they keep and what they introduce to the universe over all.

Kinda like, if the Traveler doesn't show up then there's no Destiny timline. mainline or otherwise. >.<

[vapid moth]

thats fair, but i think the difference here is thats them intentionally looking into timelines that are identical (or near) to their own, this is appearing to look like at least, a much larger departure.

its like a theory i saw about the MCU, the further you get away from the mainline 616, the more "departures" you get from it (why different spidermen look so different), and i could guess the further you get from the "main" destiny timeline, the more varitations there may be

[balmy zealot]

I have a whole bunch of... weird headcanons about the canon timeline and the dark timelines and whatnot but it does basically boil down to that

[cobalt quarry]

They can get crazy with it. Destiny has a whole paraverse

[exotic sinew]

I know I said this, but what if we accidentally created this timeline by being in the corridors of time

[balmy zealot]

and with crossover items they also confirm things inspired by a distant universe

[undone falcon]

That's fair.
that's very fair.
But even in the MCU there's still "Cannon Events" so to speak that define a character and they will be using some main universe characters and events.
It's just fun to theorize and talk to other Lore nerds about what is and isn't going on in the main universe and how it could shape what happens in this games.

[thorn depot]

Im still someone who wants the Dark timeline to be turned into a mini series, id watch the hell out of it

[balmy zealot]

u cant save targe zavala its a canon event

[undone falcon]

A branch of the Temporal war that is beyond our Guardians if you will?

[exotic sinew]

Basically ye

[cobalt quarry]

🤔I wonder what kind of villains we will face

[undone falcon]

What if there is no big bad and it's all Game of Thronsey?

[vapid moth]

i think the biggest like "tie in" to the main continutiy (that i think would be sick) is seeing the exo stranger lol

[cobalt quarry]

I’m honestly hoping for that. Just random high ranked enemies

Instead of something like “ohhh Crota decided to invade Earth early”

[ebon jasper]

we find nezarec’s ship early?

[cobalt quarry]

He could be alive in this timeline

[undone falcon]

I mean, it is the Dark ages with Warlords, Ironlords, and rogue lightbearers just trying to carve out their own piece of the pie amongst the back drop of alien invasions and humanity kind of caught in the maelstrom.

[ebon jasper]

possibly

[cobalt quarry]

Could be a good antagonist too since he lead the collapse

[tall quartz]

Would be cool, it’ll probably be a lot of building up over time if they’re gonna get to a place of eliksni and cabal being friendly in some capacity again

Do others even like that? Idk, I like it, but some people might prefer enemies staying bad lol

[undone falcon]

Hey. Hey. Hey.
Moons not haunted.
YET

[ebon jasper]

i would love to see pyramid ships early

[cobalt quarry]

Make Rhulk have more screen time😍

[undone falcon]

Could definitely see that with the Eliksni since they have such splintered tribes and such.

[cobalt quarry]

Imagine if we got warrior vex in this timeline before the main one

[undone falcon]

Yo....we still don't know who's ship that is chillin on Europa. And... the whispers were guiding Clovis in the Golden age. Definetly not out of the qustion for a ship to show up.

[undone falcon]

😱

[ebon jasper]

rhulk invading right after nezzy would be sick

one thing that i find interesting is they’re visiting realms of the IX and the vexnet quite early

pretty sure the IX didn’t do stuff until destiny 2

apart from xur of course

[dim sky]

Technically we already have with the wyvern, but it would be cool to see fully warrior units

[cobalt quarry]

Was the red war the first time they intervened?

[ebon jasper]

nah they haven’t intervened at all

they are just Here

[cobalt quarry]

Well one of them messed with the satellites during red war right?

[ebon jasper]

that i don’t know

[dim sky]

They technically did as they turned off the towers security system with the satellites

[undone falcon]

True and Untrue.
The Infinite Forest, Vault of Glass, Pyramidon, glass way. All part of the Vex net. Mithrax just showed us how to hack it.
Also, the IX been creepin for a hot minute.

[undone falcon]

They also made a deal with the Drifter....thats' why Gambit.

[cobalt quarry]

And the big ice ball realm thing on the back of his ship

[ebon jasper]

i mean the vexnet and ix definitely existed prior to the dark age n whatnot, i just find it interesting that they’re using that as the backdrop for that when we’re mostly stuck to earth according to datto

it would be interesting if elsie was playable and had stasis abilities

[cobalt quarry]

I’m actually kinda glad it’s mostly on Earth if that’s the case.

[undone falcon]

Yeah, but it goes back to the Vex just showing up but always being there like on Neomuna. The Veix didn't attack Neoumuna until the veil dropped exposing their location, but then the citizens and cloud striders can't remember a time before the vex shows up.

[dim sky]

Bungie would make a bungillion dollars if they made Elsie a character, it would be a cool implication if this was another failed timelines she was in

[undone falcon]

Like how the Minotaurs teleport is them physically changing history to put themselves in a different location.

[ebon jasper]

imagine if there was a dark elsie antagonist

that would be so awesome

[cobalt quarry]

Actually something I never thought about. We could have lightbearer human antagonists

[dim sky]

Dark Ana maybe

[undone falcon]

So I mean this timeline could be one where the Vex have forced themselves further into earths past

[cobalt quarry]

War lords

[undone falcon]

You...you mean Warlords.

[cobalt quarry]

Yes. Good timing lol

Hmm maybe more Shaxx story

[undone falcon]

YAS!!
Cause he wasn't a bad guy, he just thought the Iron Lords were chumps

And the War Lords weren't organized into any group. They were just littel dymios of what ever corner they carved out for themselves. So different War Lords could be a help, a hinderene, or a playable character.

the more I think about the possibilites the more stoked i get.

[subtle wind]

careful now, this is still a mobile game

[undone falcon]

I know.
But cautiously optimisitic

[fallen willow]

Can't wait for people to start putting pictures of Rising's versions of characters in the actual Destiny wikis

[strange maple]

My name isn't byf

[balmy swan]

No it was house of wolves I think

[exotic sinew]

It was Wolves with Skolas being released by the Nine

[balmy swan]

Yup

[storm horizon]

that wasn't intervention, Mara sent Skolas to them

[balmy swan]

As a gift
And they released him "for reasons unknown"

[storm horizon]

ah right

[topaz stag]

I just realized we might get playable Felwinter

[fringe hare]

Can't wait to pull for SSR Felwinter

[hazy star]

I wonder what 4 peice set i should use on my felwinter

[faint berry]

why is everyone saying it is a gacha when it isnt

[plain berry]

i have no clue, im guessing just speculating how we are gonna acquire the playable characters

[faint berry]

There are 6 of them no? Highly doubt they will be what they focus the MTX on

[hazy star]

And its funny

[plain berry]

only 6 so far, its still pre-alpha

[hazy star]

Now should i focuse crit dmg or crit rate on the scyth warlock

[plain berry]

haha, so funny

[latent vapor]

leaks said gacha

[faint berry]

no they didnt

they said gameplay similar to genshin impact

[latent vapor]

people thought leaks said gacha

[faint berry]

yeah they took the word genshin and ran with it

[latent vapor]

i don’t play genshin, i thought it was a gacha

[limber rose]

It is.

[latent vapor]

oh

[limber rose]

So, specifically, it might be a gacha game. I think that would make sense, given it's insistence on Character-based abilities, rather than Class-based.

Anyways, as for actual lore discussions, where's my SIVA folks? Anyone?

[faint berry]

Can't see it being that type of game. I foresee Warframe. TFD style

[latent vapor]

please have not horrible microtransactions that’s all i ask

[limber rose]

That's optimisic

[latent vapor]

that’s not true actually my only ask is that it has slight continuity

i.e. the kabr we see in rising is how the mainline kabr would have also been

[limber rose]

Also very optimisic

[latent vapor]

if that makes sense

[plain berry]

they havent said anything on how we get anything

[latent vapor]

make goth woman canon

[frozen mortar]

Ikora Beach outfit Banner when?

[latent vapor]

make me canon bungie

[limber rose]

Yeah, it does! That being said, it'd be a bit bizarre to play the the Kabr, and the Praedyth. Ooh, perhaps some Saint-14 in there?

[latent vapor]

yeah but i’m still excited :3

[plain berry]

they did say we are gonna see some familiar faces, im excited on who

maybe a cayde-2

[latent vapor]

i’m assuming that main hunter is an iron lord

but whom

[next quest]

Maybe they'll make use of Efrideet more, not as a player character but something

[plain berry]

i wanna use that sword super that they used

so effin cool

[latent vapor]

judging by the dev insight she’s an awoken hunter(?)

[hazy star]

Well since this is a different timeline we might see characters who wernt lightbearers as lightbearers in this one

[plain berry]

its before the classes

[limber rose]

Father of John Destiny, Old Wolf

[plain berry]

cant call em hunters, warlocks or titans bc its not who they are

[latent vapor]

ik it’s before the classes but assuming that hunter is someone we know them looking like a hunter narrows it down

[hazy star]

Devrim with no land beyond when

[latent vapor]

sorry the awoken oopsies :3

[next quest]

actually something just occurred to me. In the dev preview there was a whiteboard that said "Radegast > Iron Lords > Wolf", which would lead me to believe the character is called Wolf

and naturally, is an Iron Wolf lol. Or its just saying the Iron Wolves came from the Iron Lords, but it just being "Wolf" makes me think its the character's name

[subtle monolith]

The custom character is called Wolf

[prime cave]

Yep, Wolf seems to be the name of the character, as opposed to the Young Wolf title

[subtle monolith]

The iron Wolves were the second gen of Lords

[next quest]

same whiteboard also has what I assume to be locations in the game and the enemies we encounter in them

[topaz stag]

seeing an Eliksni quest giver makes me wonder if we'll get the Reef as a destination

[next quest]

RSR with Cabal and Vex. JSM with Fallen and Hive. Whatever those stand for exactly

[paper lantern]

I would totally love if we got like, alternate iron lords

Because the iron lords that died/lived to siva did so on a coinflip basically, any could’ve lived or died from that fight

[supple wigeon]

Hope they bring back spire of stars

[subtle monolith]

Ideally i'd like it to be before the Iron Lords got killed off.

[median saddle]

i love playable jolder this is incredible

and kabr prior to VoG???? awesome

[languid wraith]

yesss

[warped tree]

They could do the funniest of things and make siva a gaint topic in the games.

[median saddle]

it’s likely SIVA wouldn’t have been created/discovered yet

felwinter is probably still alive

[lost folio]

I know that the lore and story will probably not match with the one on the main game but seen IX architecture in the trailer seems off to me of the time setting that they putting the mobile game on

[warped tree]

Yet we see a fallen vendor

[median saddle]

i mean the nine don’t really operate in the sense of time

[median saddle]

the eliksni don’t really have anything to do with SIVA currently - splicers haven’t been a threat since before the red war

[lost folio]

Kabr is alive, All the Iron lords are Warlords know. Shaxx will be one of the gotcha characters I am sure.

also seen a Fallen vendor in the main hub is kinda odd

[latent vapor]

maybe it’s this universes young wolf?

[warped tree]

Apologies, I meant in the trailer. We see a fallen vendor. And I believe this is taking place with the iron lords right?

[median saddle]

not necessarily with the iron lords, but that would be appx. the time period yeah

[warped tree]

That's why I throw out the funny idea of having siva as a problem. People want it bungie won't give us it. So if they do it here. Then bungie had to acknowledge People really want siva.

[median saddle]

this game isn’t developed by bungie at all

[warped tree]

Still, the fallen wouldn't be a vendor, especially in the city.

[median saddle]

it’d be netease noticing that people want siva back and then putting it in their game

[median saddle]

what city? the city doesn’t exist at this point in time

[warped tree]

I know but bungie still has some control over the game. Net ease had all rights to do thier own thing.

[warped tree]

I know, Looks like a city, it's a city to me.

[lost folio]

city or main hub is the same thing. It seems to be called Haven

as in safe haven lol

[warped tree]

That's funny

[winter ivy]

If the game is in fact set before d1 then 80% of the lore has been scrapped or rearranged.

[next quest]

it's possible, maybe even likely based on the website's description of Wolf. But I like to think it is a separate character, especially given the time placement and the added emphasis on the Iron Lords. Perhaps they're meant to represent the first Iron Wolf

[raw elbow]

you must have missed "alternate destiny timeline" on the front page

Enter an era of heroes and legends, where familiar Destiny faces meet intriguing new characters, each with a rich story, unique personality, and formidable skills. Experience top-tier sci-fi shooting action in FPP or TPP as you embark on a new adventure in an alternate Destiny timeline.

[winter ivy]

I dids

[next quest]

One of the most iconic aspects of Destiny is its Player vs Environment experiences, and Destiny: Rising is no exception. You'll find classic elements such as Campaign missions, Destination free roam exploration, Haven Ops Strike missions, and the raid-like Gauntlet Ops. Additionally, we've introduced exciting new modes like Morgran's Prey, Legacy, Realms of the IX, and many more. I won't spoil the fun—I'll let you discover these for yourself in our upcoming Closed Alpha.

interesting, so I see where the Nine stuff shown off in the trailer probably fits in

it's cool seeing all these different types of abilities almost sort of look like the precursors to the 3 classes

[prime cave]

Almost like it's bc they're the precursors to the 3 classes 🙃

[next quest]

I mean, yeah. But even then we see stuff that, at least as far as consistency is concerned, never really makes it to the final class disciplines but is like experimenting. Like something that looks like blade dancer but is instead solar based

and with a little thought to it, one could assert that this ability naturally evolves into stuff like bladedancer and blade barrage even if nothing explicitely says this

[latent vapor]

ooh i like that idea

[keen night]

hiii i would like to discuss the lore of saint 14 in the game pls pls pls playable saint 14 pls pls pls pls

[frozen narwhal]

I'm just hoping we get playable Elsie Bray somehow so we can see that custom model exo in action 🥵

[keen night]

🤨

[frozen narwhal]

Jk I prefer Eris

[keen night]

ok good good

[ivory hamlet]

Supposibly we have fallen friends

[errant nymph]

I must have Lord Shaxx as a playable character

[tawny root]

do you think factions will be available for us to be part if?🤔

[prime cave]

The city isn't built yet so no

[tawny root]

but that doesn't stop factions from being a thing

like entirely new factions, not the old 3, or it could be the old 3 but in their very early days

[rocky ravine]

"Realms of the IX"
intriguing.

if only this game was canon to the destiny timeline, then we'd have so much clarity as to what the IX are.

[errant nymph]

The IX probably won’t change as they are a key factor to the timelines

Yes they may be sentient dark matter but they also can decide certain fates ie. Red War

[lone star]

concordat might be viable

[limber rose]

I shall make a new faction, in the tradition of factions yet to come: Radiolaria Huffers.

[coarse kestrel]

My peoples

[rotund quail]

The lore peeps

[coarse kestrel]

What is it that we wish to discuss

[junior ridge]

Ahhhhh where’s Byf

[coarse kestrel]

I'm guessing the nine based off of prior conversation.

[errant nymph]

IX or Clovis Bray lore?

[rotund quail]

Well with it being a different universe I mostly wanna know if we will see characters we know like cayde or will it be a whole new cast of peoples

[junior ridge]

Don’t caaaaaarreeee where’s Byf

lol jk

[errant nymph]

Gone. Reduced to atoms

[junior ridge]

Pain

[coarse kestrel]

Ya, been wondering how much the game's lore will diverge from main-line Destiny's timeline.

[rotund quail]

Maybe it will be the dark timeline

[next quest]

the nine are so visually compelling and interesting that its a shame they're not really explored all that much in d2

[rotund quail]

That would be a cool idea

[stoic sphinx]

Seems like humanity was a bit more advanced during the golden age given the space elevator

[next quest]

Nine themed aesthetic was always my favorite

[coarse kestrel]

I've been speculating on who the other playable characters might be and think that the warlock women could possibly be Satomi, a thanatonaut researching void responsible for the creation of mask of the quiet one. Hard to say though considering we don't know when she was risen and if they will include other main-line characters.

[coarse kestrel]

Just considering off of the aesthetic and descriptions shown, doesn't seem like a dark future esc timeline.

[errant nymph]

I think Jolder was in the trailer

[coarse kestrel]

Yes, Jolder was confirmed

[errant nymph]

Neat

[next quest]

website confirms Jolder, Kabr, and ofc Ikora

[coarse kestrel]

Press release confirmed Jolder, Kabr, and Ikora

[rotund quail]

KABR

[swift kernel]

YO WHAT

[stoic sphinx]

We might get more Rasputin content too cause he would be around. Maybe felwiner

[errant nymph]

Maybe Pahanin from the VOG team

[rotund quail]

I get to meet kabr, damn I need this game

[coarse kestrel]

Kabr is the WANA esc themed Titan. Possibly hailing from the Red Sea Rift or the Saharan Contested Zone. \

[errant nymph]

I must see Lord Shaxx in this game or I shall riot

[coarse kestrel]

Oh wait, are pictures not allowed on the server ;-;

[errant nymph]

Very sad

[coarse kestrel]

F

[rotund quail]

Nah nah, Saladin

[errant nymph]

I want them to create VCs for the server

[rotund quail]

I need a young Saladin

[fallen parcel]

This game take place in a different timeline?

[stoic sphinx]

This also takes place before the great hunt so maybe we get to see the Ahamkara

[rotund quail]

Wait do you think since jolder is alive maybe instead of Saladin being the only survivor of the iron lords massacre it was jolder

[coarse kestrel]

Just for him to step on a tripmine 🤣

[stoic sphinx]

Bazinga

[coarse kestrel]

Possible

[errant nymph]

Younger Shaxx, Felwinter, Perhaps Vel Tarlowe

[coarse kestrel]

SIVA outbreak probably hasn't happened for another good few decades at this point though.

We could see early Felwinter though which could help expand on her civilization.

Not felwinter

[lone star]

I thought felwinter was a dude

[coarse kestrel]

I'm dumb

Efrideet

[stoic sphinx]

Like the pacifist colony?

That would be cool

[coarse kestrel]

We could see Felwinter and Felspring though lol. We do see Warmind architecture at some point in the videos reminiscent of D1

[errant nymph]

We must see Drifter’s bar

[rotund quail]

If this takes place before the death of the iron lords does that mean it’s around the time or before the battle of six fronts

[coarse kestrel]

Ya, we have no idea when she first discovered it, but it could be an interesting parrallel lore point.

[stoic sphinx]

My man is probably still stuck on the ice planet given the timeline

[coarse kestrel]

Possibly out of system

Oh, this isn't related to D2 Rising, but the Shayura story got updated again with Icebreaker and talks about them possibly returning to Old Chicago!

[errant nymph]

Well he was around when Felwinter was alive and before the first Siva outbreak

[coarse kestrel]

Could be a cool location to see.

[errant nymph]

Drifter was first risen in the dark ages

Before the city

[coarse kestrel]

Practically still in the dark ages lmao

[stoic sphinx]

Yeah I just thought he left the system almost immediately after being rezzed

[coarse kestrel]

I believe that was his plan

[stoic sphinx]

Game might take place after he was rezzed but before he came back to sol

[errant nymph]

No he wandered for a bit and kept starving to death then probably left

[stoic sphinx]

Ah, got it

[coarse kestrel]

What's interesting is that we haven't seen any cabal in promotional material outside of seeing them mentioned as being part of the Jiangshi region

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but Jianshi are eastern like zombies made from alchemy esc stuff, right?

[stoic sphinx]

They weren't really all that big of a force in the collapse aside from the scout fleets sent out to mars I think

[weak thunder]

Hi another question the device will said snapdragon 846 newer may phone is realme c53 is allowed?

[errant nymph]

I hope we see representation like we do in Destiny. Because if not then it won’t feel like a Destiny game

I know that’s an unpopular take probably but it’s still true

[coarse kestrel]

What do you mean by representation/

Like nationality representation?

[errant nymph]

That and Micah-10, Saint-14/Osiris, Mara Sov and Sjur Eido etc. type stuff

[stoic sphinx]

Would be weird if saint and Osiris were just roommates in this lol

[errant nymph]

I would literally breakdown

[next quest]

I think there will be some, just given the property its based on, but I don't imagine it'll go heavy into it

[errant nymph]

Destiny gives some people hope that they will feel seen and heard

[coarse kestrel]

Oh I bet we'll see that. We already see Kabr who is likely from WANA, The Red Sea Rift, European influence. An eastern women, European characters, possibly latin american characters all in promotional material in dev insight video

[next quest]

Gotta bear in mind this isn't by bungie or like, Destiny proper. it's a spin off

[errant nymph]

I know but if it doesn’t have the Minority rep then it won’t feel like Destiny

It would get really tiring if every character was the same like personality

[next quest]

I mean, ikora is front and center in the marketing lol. I think it'll be fine

[orchid aspen]

Idk why people keep saying it's an alternate timeline when they already said it's an alternate universe (all the thumbnails on YouTube and such)

[tight night]

equating personality to someone's ethnicity or nationality is kinda icky

[north prairie]

That doesn’t define destiny

[errant nymph]

Not what I meant

[tight night]

k

[north prairie]

Destiny is just fine with or without those social norms

[coarse kestrel]

Exactly, not sure about LBTQA+ stuff as I;m not sure on Neteases position with that stuff, but the D2 universe literally follows Humanity after they become an universally egalitarian society united in their desire for science and arts,

[orchid aspen]

And exploration

[coarse kestrel]

Not even considereing species interactions between Awoken, Exo, and Humans

[next quest]

oh, links get clapped here

well everywhere, but most notably the site, it's referred to as an alternate timeline

[errant nymph]

Still if every character is able bodied and straight it may get a bit repetitive in some ways

[tight night]

oh boy

[lone star]

what does this statement mean???

[orchid aspen]

@next quest the preview video the last calls it an alternate universe

The lady*

[coarse kestrel]

Not sure you'll see many disability representation considerting the nature of light bearers

[errant nymph]

I’m talking somethings can be over done or used I mean you can only write relationships that don’t seem repetitive if they are diverse

[tight night]

can it be an alt universe where we didnt get mauled by the darkness so bad

[errant nymph]

It’s basic literature

[errant nymph]

Every book/story is different

[orchid aspen]

@lone star guardiansdont have disabilities, they're literally reforged in light to be the peak of humanity

[next quest]

yeah but that's like, one comment from the bungie employee but every other instance I've seen of marketing refers to it as an alternate timeline

which it doesn't really matter much anyway bc they're effectively the same thing in this case. a way of saying "not set in the same thing as baseline destiny"

[north prairie]

I feel like it only feels repetitive if you seek those out. A good story and cast is more than what they like

[errant nymph]

Some do and I’m also talking HUMAN NPCs

[orchid aspen]

@next quest the thing that gets me tho is if it is a different universe then it has completely different timelines

[next quest]

funny you mention this, humans used to have a blinded eye option in the character creator. but that's since been changed

and as a result, I changed my hunter to an exo

[lone star]

read Whether Windmills or Cranes

[tight night]

i think you are perhaps getting hung up on the minor non shooting aspects of this shooting game a bit too much

[errant nymph]

Im just saying Destiny is one of the few games to have Rep in lore and on screen

[errant nymph]

That actually has a damn effect on things

[stoic sphinx]

I just need to know that Calus canonically writes fan fiction about us in this universe too

[tight night]

i really dont think that needs to be a focus

[north prairie]

Not really. A lot of games have it now ever since it became a trend/social norm

[next quest]

oh, speaking of one of the Destiny Rising characters is blind in one of their eyes

[coarse kestrel]

I think the closest thing a Lightbearer can have that can be described as a disability is cybernetic augmentations that are deemed to enhance them past their organic body such as Ana having Exo eyes and being resurrected with them.

[lone star]

loki a freak

[coarse kestrel]

Oh, true

[stoic sphinx]

Fr he didnt need to be doing all that

[coarse kestrel]

The older titan women

[lone star]

it's a take on kabyr i think

[tight night]

also yea this too, it's quite in vogue

[next quest]

or rather, they wear an eye patch and I assume they're blind

[errant nymph]

I didn’t say it did I only said that it’s shown and talked about I’m tired of people being like oh it should be seen not heard

[errant nymph]

That was all people said about Episode Echoes

[coarse kestrel]

I believe Kabr is the male Titan with the shield to her left.

[tight night]

you said if it wasnt then it wouldnt "feel like destiny"

[stoic sphinx]

Kabr is confirmed to be the one with the shield

Mostly has arc abilities

[coarse kestrel]

The only issue with Echoes was that it was a story entirely about relationships rather than what was interesting in the choral Vex ;-;

[errant nymph]

Bungie were literally just making characters interact that had an effect on the story

[errant nymph]

The lore also had that too

[coarse kestrel]

I like Saint + Osiris & Maya + Chioma, but I wanted a focal story that discussed major changes to the universe.

[tight night]

huh that's kinda odd cuz i thought that he became the vog shield. him also being like a shield main seems kinda uhhhh... serendipitous

[stoic sphinx]

Good think Fikrul came to throw hands immediately and do nothing else in this episode

Absolute g move tbh

[orchid aspen]

@lone star are you referring to him having gone insane? If so then yea a lot of guardians lost their minds, I meant as in physical problems

[limber rose]

I think that, at its core, Echoes is an interesting juxtaposition. However, I wish that it wasn't at the expense of fun Vex Lore. Maybe more of a focus on timelines?

[coarse kestrel]

Ya, but wasn't really in-game, which is what matters most when discussing such major changes, else we go back to D1 grimoire revelations. Choral Vex were an active part of gameplay, it sucked to not see them discussed more in the actual seasonal content. Still enjoyed Echoes for what it was though.

Bad application of story, great concept.

[lone star]

brain is a physical organ

[errant nymph]

I mean Maya was extremely close to spreading her influence across the whole network

[limber rose]

I've said it before, but Episode Echoes just feels like I'm reading Homestuck^2.

[coarse kestrel]

Many lightbearers went insane after being rezzed. IE a lot of thanatonauts

[errant nymph]

Almost to the Axis minds

[next quest]

frustrates me that there's still the problem of things that should be experienced in game are experienced off camera

[coarse kestrel]

We

[tight night]

i am more concerned about characters and the plots theyre involved with being well written than their appearance or minor details about them

[stoic sphinx]

Echoes didn't convince me the Maya was wrong. Why didn't we let he just do a second golden age?

Like yeah the infinite wife thing was bad

[lone star]

they're working on that

[orchid aspen]

@lone star .......several guardians became corrupted from hive and Vex or simply fought for so long they went insane from it. I'm talking about freshly risen. A ghost can fix a broken body, it's never been able to fix a broken mind

[coarse kestrel]

We've known Maya has been an integral part of the Vex Network since literally back when Clovis had to deal with her clones prior to the collapse. Maya was a pushover in every way in game.

[next quest]

they been working on that

[errant nymph]

I’m saying taking control of them

It’s literally said right on screen in dialogue

[coarse kestrel]

For years now, and they have gotten better, Echoes just felt like a bit of a step back.

[lone star]

well not always, theres some lore about 2 guardians in gambit who have injuries that will never heal

[errant nymph]

They swapped focus it happens

[lone star]

asher mir

[next quest]

oh yeah they've def been doing better I won't lie. Though I can't help but feel that some of the story beats that happen in the background very obviously should have been in the forefront.

Or in the case of stuff like echoes, the story is happening around us and we're not really a part of it

[errant nymph]

Changing story focus can be good and bad but it depends how you do it

[orchid aspen]

@lone star and gambit plays around with the darkness and Taken. Can I get the lore tab for this one?

[limber rose]

Maya's cringe, not because she wants her wife back, but because she wants the idea of her wife back. All the golden age stuff is incidental.

[lone star]

I wish i could find it

[orchid aspen]

@lone star didn't Asher lose he's ghost?

[lone star]

she caught feelings

[lone star]

he was just scared that if he was rezzed, it'd be as a vex and not awoken

[coarse kestrel]

Yes, I know they swapped focus, it just didn't make sense why considering they spent Act1/2 building up Maya's influence on the vex, and then Act 3 was encore and her interpersonal relations with Chioma taking a frontseat over the vex implications.

My main issue with Echoes was literally just how pathetic the in-game use of Maya was outside of the amazing dialogue we got in Encore.

Never have I seen a more cool villian be beaten by the power of plot armor and 1 nova bomb

[tight night]

yea i didnt like echoes plot at all

[limber rose]

I also think the themes about chasing a non-existent ideal were a bit malformed

[orchid aspen]

@lone star if I'm not mistaken did he not like integrate a vex arm on himself? Or messed around with Vex milk (all of which corrupts a guardian)

[stoic sphinx]

He was corrupted by radiolaria and is now a harpy

[errant nymph]

They tried to do something different and messed up but I’ve seen and heard a lot of hate on the effort that went into Echoes

[coarse kestrel]

The Echo of Command was set up to be an immensely powerful object, yet despite the fact that Saint is an Exo literally meaning vex relationship on account of Alkahest, he just used plot armor to break free.

[lone star]

it's not very clear

[errant nymph]

His memories from his other self you mean that’s not plot armor it’s clever writing

[coarse kestrel]

Not trying to disparage Bungie's attempt at a different story, I just think that the application of it was horrendous even for other game's standards when the concept was actually fantastic.

I fully look forward to Bungie trying to explore new story models that apply to the larger universe.

[limber rose]

At least with Fikrul, we can go and see the interplay between "Fikrul wants his papa :(" and "Crow needs to take responsibility for his child". Maya is introduced and merked, just like that.

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx yea I'm just listing off things that guardians are not immune to. Me and David have been discussing this and my prior thing was guardians don't have disabilities when they are made into guardians, that those issues are mostly from an adled mind from time or darkness corruption

[stoic sphinx]

Act 2 is just getting crow to pay child support

[next quest]

following after Final Shape's story telling didn't help Echoes

[stoic sphinx]

Oh, my bad dude

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx it's all good just wanted to explain

[stoic sphinx]

Just wanted to lore dump lol

[coarse kestrel]

No, I understand the psychological aspect of it, but when you are literally a machine running on radiolaria facing a being capable of commanding it on a molecular level, it doesn't make sense to have a psychological revelation give you immunity to an Echo. A artifact of insanely immense power that allowed Maya to literally split a cohert of the Vex off of the hive-mind at her command.

I just think Maya was developed to be way too much of a pushover

[limber rose]

You could argue that this is his chance to surpass the previous hunter vanguards, simply by having the balls to handle the consequences of his actions whole-heartedly.

Cayde's the goat, but he was always running from something.

[errant nymph]

The Echo of command focuses on Willpower much like Oryx’s Taking

[stoic sphinx]

I think guardians can become disabled to an extent after they are rezzed. Ikora shotgunned Shaxx so hard he has a limp now

That doesn't heal

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx a guardian did that, we can kill each other so that makes sense

[errant nymph]

And Saint was manipulated because his will faltered

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx tho ofc we as the main character literally eat nukes like nothing 😂

[vale quail]

BRAYTECH? D2ArmorPicker? D2Checkpoint? lightgg? raid report?

[coarse kestrel]

Yes, it is literally called the Echo of Command ;-;

I'm trying to argue that when Maya has an artifact of both light and dark capable of altering even the Vex, beings resistant to paracausality. Then failing to use it to a meaningful degree on an entity that is literally the combination of all 3 forces who is psychologically dented and exposed to possible Vex corruption for an infinite amount of time, then it really just sets Maya up to be incapable of anything meaningful outside of commanding basic Vex.

[frail breach]

So this takes place centuries before the last city?

[stoic sphinx]

Truly a Young Wolf moment. There's a reason we’re the newest iron lords

[errant nymph]

After she made him question his legitimacy he was broken. But his new memories he got from his other self fueled his will/first

[vale quail]

yes?

[coarse kestrel]

I just don't like how Maya was ended so quickly and how weak it was set, especially considering how strong we see Fikrul already at Act 1 when he first gets his Echo

[errant nymph]

Because she Underestimated The Guardians

[stoic sphinx]

Did Maya actually die? Like she seemed mostly fine

[next quest]

makes her lack impact as an antagonist

[errant nymph]

Hubris is a hindrance to many a villain Maya included

[coarse kestrel]

Also, do we think that Fikrul is controlling an Echo developed from the Ammonites and their Song of Life?

[limber rose]

I think that Echoes would be improved if we saw more about Chioma earlier on in the season. And, as much as I love the little guy, we could probably cut Captain Jacobson to focus more on the main conflict.

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx true but we have beaten practically every big baddie that's trashed every other guardian so I think we are senior Wolves at this point

[earnest pumice]

I haven't seen the ending of Echoes - mainly because I can't be bothered to go through that mission multiple times, but watching that entire research log Maya left I kept thinking, "What do you think the 'real' Chioma is going to do once she learns what you did to all of her alternates?"

[coarse kestrel]

H O W. You set up a character who has known about our strength since early in D2 (insight terminus) and saw us just kill a figurehead of the darkness. H O W does one of the genuises of Humanity's greatest scientific and philosophical era stoop to that low level of thought.

[coarse kestrel]

NO

Not Captain Jacobson ;-;

You sick monster!!

[stoic sphinx]

Considering the echoes are memories of the witness that would mean that the witness was there during the hives fight with the Ammonites, which would be a really cool lore drop

[stoic sphinx]

Agreed lol

[errant nymph]

Hubris blinds

[next quest]

bad writing

[limber rose]

Okay, maybe not the main frog himself. But we could at least dedicate some of our NES-series missions to vex time shenanigans?

[coarse kestrel]

Yes, but not to the extent of making a character incapable of basic reasoning to confront 2 sigma 5 classification guardians and a guardian who just slew the witness WITH 2 GOBLINS

[errant nymph]

However I’m not saying you’re wrong in this

[coarse kestrel]

Ok, we've come to an understanding then ❤️

[next quest]

I'm reminded of the Dark Tower where it's antagonists are set up to be fairly imposing, and then when it comes down to it you get watered down versions of how they were previously portrayed that are just kinda pathetic

[errant nymph]

We both can see Reason then

[errant nymph]

I did enjoy this discussion though

[stoic sphinx]

I think we also have to remember that Maya has quite literally been insane for several hundred years

[coarse kestrel]

My main reasoning for this is that Fikruls abilities we see have a lot of the aesthetics of light powers when he uses then. Need to look more into it though.

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx I guess the biggest question now is......who could possibly fill the Witnesses shoes? Like we as Guardians can't possibly achieve an even higher level of power than what we achieved within the traveler right?

[stoic sphinx]

I think you're on to something! Either that or some memory of Nokris cause he does something somewhat similar

[stoic sphinx]

Taniks 7

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel he's wielding what I assume to be a light and darkness infused relic

[coarse kestrel]

True, though Clovis was also insane and his counter measures were a bit extreme rather than blatanlty dismissive of any actual problem. When the DSC was exposed, he literally planned to destroy all of Europa w/ the nuclear descent of the morning star. Confronting 3 of the strongest guardians with 2 goblins is more than just insane.

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx o hell nah don't will that into existence

[stoic sphinx]

That's fair

[coarse kestrel]

Well yes, the Echoes are memories (darkness) given material form (light). I just think we see the light aesthetic more prominent, at least in that in-game mission at the start from what I remember.

[stoic sphinx]

She would have needed at least 3 goblins

[coarse kestrel]

Could be wrong though

[coarse kestrel]

Exactly! I like your thoughts ❤️

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel I suppose it's whatever the welder wishes to tap into

[coarse kestrel]

Oh, possible.

Do we know what the name of FIkrul

Fikrul's echo is at this point?

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel tho I will also assume the power they tap into will fit along with their thoughts and wishes as well

[limber rose]

I think the reason why we didn't just mega-nuke Maya is because we were hyper-extended into enemy territory ... with a non-lightbearer? C'mon, Osiris, let's get your meds.

[orchid aspen]

@limber rose at least he has darkness powers

[coarse kestrel]

Entirely forgot Osiris was there lmao. He has strand at the least though.

[stoic sphinx]

Can't wait for whatever echo was formed from the witness’s memories of seeing Calus in that weird bath

[coarse kestrel]

No offense to Osiris, but happy to see him taking a backseat for the first time in a while.

[next quest]

Echo of Opulence babyyy

[coarse kestrel]

Echo of L U S T

[limber rose]

A little death stranding won't do much against gallons upon gallons of radiolaria

[orchid aspen]

@next quest we growing fat with this one

[stoic sphinx]

Who wields that tho

[coarse kestrel]

Benedict Sweeper bot ofcourse

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx "The Helmet Stays on"

[next quest]

man, I think with all that disappointed me with Lightfall, Calus burned the most for me

[stoic sphinx]

Ahhh, I was thinking arcite

[coarse kestrel]

Agreed

[limber rose]

Like, we realize that if Maya wanted to, she could probably collapse the whole area in radiolaria, right? Strange that she didn't, at least after we proved that we weren't gonna listen to another self righteous goofball

[coarse kestrel]

Especially after his set up in Duality and season of the haunted. Seeing him killed off that fast in such a manor just hurt.

[stoic sphinx]

That a and nimbus going for a firstbump after ending Caiatl’s dad

Also what was the radial mast???

[limber rose]

Rohan should have been the one left standing

[coarse kestrel]

Reminder that 99% of the actions the Cabal did during LF was entirely useless. Why not just lure us to the veil off the bat and steal our ghost.

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx the entirety of Light Fall is just "huh?" And "what?"

[coarse kestrel]

It will forever be a stain on the lore.

[stoic sphinx]

Yeah easily the worst expansion lore wise

[limber rose]

I can't remember the last time I've been to Neomuna, actually

[coarse kestrel]

Easily

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel unless they loop back around and hit us with some mean ass DLC to fix it

[coarse kestrel]

Lmao, I had to go just for the case of the tonic upgrade

[next quest]

if after Rohan's death Nimbus stopped acting like a goofy goober, I might have been more accepting of them

[stoic sphinx]

They did drop the canonical lore fact that Nezarec can get power from gamers™️

[coarse kestrel]

Even Neomuna is a waste of a location. Marketed as a prestine city yet half of it is more destroyed than all of the EDZ whilst every citizen retreated into the mcguffing cloud ark whilst not coming out at all.

[limber rose]

They kind of did? The exotic mission was one of the very few bright spots of lightfall.

The one with Deterministc Chaos

[coarse kestrel]

The aesthetic is cool in some parts of it, but it just feels like a purple braytech theme

[stoic sphinx]

They also have super advanced nano tech that we never use again

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx "just use the code "Nezarec" for free gamer Supps!"

[coarse kestrel]

And orbital stations above Pluto

[limber rose]

Right! First Siva is forgotten, and now Quicksilver

[stoic sphinx]

Fairly certain nimbus said this in game

[coarse kestrel]

SIVA makes sense at least considering we nuked the replication center!

[next quest]

big disappointed that all the characters were just turned into digital guys. Took a lot of the impact and sense of despair out of it for me

and they really really did not need to be cloud ark pixels. that didn't even really need to be a thing

[limber rose]

Quicksilver? I hardly knew her!

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel outside of there maybe still is a splicer cell that somehow gets a hold of the only Siva weapon in existence

[coarse kestrel]

Quick silver is literally one of the most important innovations coming out of Neomuna, and it was just forgotten. Not even considering the systems insanely advanced hydroponics and energy sources!

[limber rose]

I would have actually really preferred if they didn't go with the whole Miami Vice thing

[coarse kestrel]

Why are we not using those to improve the city, advance spacefaring, or shoot Randal with!\

[limber rose]

Literally we could build a fallen ethnostate

[stoic sphinx]

We could solve all of humanities problems but we’d have to deal with the lightfall plot so its a tough choice

[marble hawk]

This game complicating rather then expanding d2 is so so so lame wish iit was an expansion rather then a new time line really disattachs me tbh

[remote venture]

I see lore, I talk lore. What lore we taking about?

[coarse kestrel]

Ya, it's possible. Hard to say if that was the only replication center. It's possible that Astraea (Vesper AI) now that she has access to all of Clovis's files rebuilds a new chamber.

[stoic sphinx]

Lightfall

Unfortunately

[remote venture]

I see

[limber rose]

Maybe ethnostate is not the best choice of words, there. But seriously! Give the eliksni better digs!

[remote venture]

And what about Lightfall we talking about?

[coarse kestrel]

Sad times. Rohan died for LFs lore sins.

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel yea that's about how it goes it's either stolen tech or someone rebuilt it

[coarse kestrel]

Just in general how useless the story was on both a technical standpoint and how it failed to evolve the world at all outside of the veil.

[remote venture]

Ngl I forgot Rohan existed

[stoic sphinx]

The fact that a ton of the really cool tech is never mentioned again. Advance space stations and nanotech

[coarse kestrel]

Neomuna is a society that is hundreds of years technology wise ahead of the city, and yet we don't spend any time to implement their tech to the city.

Actually mind boggling

[stoic sphinx]

Also there's absolutely no reason for us not to get the cloudstider surgery considering we don't die of age

[coarse kestrel]

No reason to also have an entire civilization protected by 2 people either

[stoic sphinx]

Just one now lol

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx I think maybe it's a conflicting issue or perhaps a mental stress one but I'm not exactly balanced on those ideas either

[remote venture]

The fact we got nothing on the Veil until like 2 seasons later is mind boggling

[coarse kestrel]

If you can even call Nimbus a singular being lol.

Genuinely think Nimbus could be a cool character and I do eventually want to see him again, but he is just a victim of the absolutely horrendous writing that went into LF

[next quest]

Kinetic element classes with siva, quicksilver, and some other third thing 🧠

[stoic sphinx]

Its kinda funny that we still don't really know what the traveler is

[remote venture]

Bro is trying too hard to replace Cayde

[coarse kestrel]

Veil containment was pretty cool. But season of the deep had a larger lore significance than all of LF

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx "it's a big ball of gas"

[stoic sphinx]

Yeah hopefully he matured as a result of the last two years and gets a redemption

[next quest]

I got evangelion vibes from the veil and its facility

[orchid aspen]

@next quest where's all the blood?

[remote venture]

There’s a theory that he, along side Saint and Osiris, will be key characters in the upcoming arc

[coarse kestrel]

It was actually cool seeing him chilling with Saint, Colonel, and Caitl in the beginning of Act 1 of Echoes. That cutscene is still genuinely one of my favorite cinematics we've gotten yet1

[stoic sphinx]

Get in the radial mast Rohan, or nimbus will have to do it

[stoic sphinx]

Agreed

[remote venture]

I like that new style of cutscenes. Gives me… new beginnings vibes

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx dies of cringe

[coarse kestrel]

I absolutely love the Golden Age, and seeing the Sol coalition pushing to bring themselves back to it is fantastic.

[stoic sphinx]

Fair lol

[coarse kestrel]

Oh, if you've read the Xurfboard lore, the vanguard is approving recon missions out of Sol again!

[remote venture]

Yippee

[orchid aspen]

@stoic sphinx like not even to be a dck but it is Nimbus

[next quest]

chat, which was worse for you, Lightfall or Curse of Osiris

osiris's track record for expansion content isn't a good one

[remote venture]

Also like how the Vanguard also appears to be participating in vanguard ops instead of sitting behind a desk doing paperwork

[stoic sphinx]

Lightfall from a story perspective, COO from a content perspective

[coarse kestrel]

The new style if very noice. Beautiful lighting, transitions, and symbolism whilst also being visually orgasmic. The ITL cinematic was so good using the style. And the Chioma cinematic for Act 3 was so well done.

[remote venture]

That’s a hard one. But tbh I’d give it to Curse of Osiris. At least Lightfall gave us a kewl new subclass

[stoic sphinx]

Art team killing it as always

[orchid aspen]

@remote venture got guardian surfboarding before SRL

[coarse kestrel]

Except Zavala. Zavala is unfortunately coming to a close. He is addressing his own mortality and accepting that he is ageing. A great roundoff for such a fantastic character all these years.

[worldly nest]

Curse of Osiris mainly because the major content difference. The story was pretty useless and annoying to play too. Lightfall wasn’t much better though

[stoic sphinx]

Panoptes was maybe the coolest vex villain we've ever gotten and ill die on that hill

[remote venture]

Keith David was def a good pick. Really emphasizes how war torn Zavala has become

[next quest]

yeah Lightfall has content so I say it was better all things considered.

I felt that CoO had a lot of wasted potential too. Mercury which imo was already the coolest planet got even cooler with the infinite forest and aall they could have done with that, but it was reduced to a glorified public event space that for ages you couldn't even use your sparrow in

[coarse kestrel]

Curse of Osiris still has some of my favorite strikes. Hard to compare that to LF when I despise the singular strike it gives.

Also, hard to talk about CoO without addressing that D2 was at a very different state. No subclass customization, static roles, double primaries, microtransaction heavy, and no build crafting. Lightfall had literally of that and failed to do anything meaningful outside of introduce Strand.

Even the weapons from Neomuna are reskins, despite promotional art literally showing unique models for destination weapons we never got.

[orchid aspen]

Zavala is even more proof of how time,fighting and resisting temptations breaks a guardian down

[remote venture]

My favorite strike is that one strike on Nessus where we ride that cabal land tank. Only because we get to ride a land tank

[next quest]

I also really didn't like that CoO's strikes were rehashed story missions at the time. made it feel that much more content dry

[regal niche]

I wonder if Neomuna is gonna exist in Destiny Risings timeline

[coarse kestrel]

Yep, TFS did an amazing job at resolving the past conflicts we've seen with him developed ever since Beyond Light.

[crude haven]

Isn't the game set in the dark ages

[thorn sedge]

I bet you didn’t think you’d be repeating that in 2024

[coarse kestrel]

And as much as Davids will never hit the same to me, he did a great job. RIP Lance Reddick

[regal niche]

It’s set post dark ages pre destiny 1

[stoic sphinx]

Yeah I think neomuna is there but incredibly well hidden

[limber rose]

Neomuna still existed in the dark ages, which raises a lot of important ethical questions

[regal niche]

Also Neomuna existed during the dark ages, they just didn’t fw the people of earth and left them to die

[crude haven]

Well thats true but didn't we discover it in LF

[remote venture]

Neomuna existed since the collapse

[coarse kestrel]

It's likely Neptune has known about Humanity for a while considering their initial reaction to us, so a bit concerning.

[regal niche]

I mean Tbf the one cloudstrider they did send they got killed

[crude haven]

maybe we could be the ones visiting? idk

[stoic sphinx]

They did NOT care about earth lol. Pretty much only made contact when calus landed in their back yard

[orchid aspen]

@crude haven Neomuna was far away from anything we Guardians "grew up" dealing with

[coarse kestrel]

Not even like the Awoken who had supporting parties to help us during the Hildean campaign.

Neomuna just straight up left us alone

[crude haven]

sice its pre dark ages how did we get izanagis in trailer lol

[limber rose]

Not only that, there's also an almost unresolved kind of "We told our kids that guardians were evil" thing????

[remote venture]

Technically we made contact with them. They obviously had no intentions on contacting us

[orchid aspen]

@crude haven alternate timeline/universe

[regal niche]

I mean when the neomunians looked at earth they saw the warlords, the main problems of the dark ages, they worked as tyrants and where very much evil

[remote venture]

According to Byf, Izanagis did technically exist during the dark ages. Just not fully constructed

Since the Black Armory existed for a long time

[regal niche]

We are the first benevolent lightbearers they meet

[orchid aspen]

Also on the notion of a different timeline.....does that mean we will be part of the "Downfall" Timeline?

[coarse kestrel]

Black armory existed pre-collapse and during the early collapse. Foundries could have scattered. Warlords also sought after Ada for the fact that she is probably the most technologically advanced Exo capable of forging almost any weapon.

[crude haven]

Oh btw I saw a Crux/Lomar weapon in the trailer

[next quest]

I thought rising is set between dark ages and city age pretty much

[coarse kestrel]

Yep.

[remote venture]

Weren’t there three major foundries that survived the collapse?

[limber rose]

Sure, but I'm sure at least on of them had to go "Dude, Look at that somewhat civilized city that's popped up. Looks like people are actually happy there"

[latent vapor]

neomuna was probably being built during the dark age

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel since it's changed anything could have happened, none of what we know holds up. So anyone could've made Izi

[coarse kestrel]

3 families forged the inital foundry. Ada was the last member of it. During the collapse, she got injured and was converted into an Exomind in the last foundry. Then her and her biological mother went on the run to find refuge elsewhere.

[remote venture]

They never looked back. From the lore tabs they say that their last contact with earth was when that one cloudstider went to delete Neomuna records

Or was there another time? Idk

[coarse kestrel]

Absolutely phenomenal lorebook. Give The Black Armory Papers a read

[remote venture]

I know a bit about the Black Armory lore tabs

Wasn’t Ada turned into an exo due to an injury?

[coarse kestrel]

One of the most intrguing lore books following the case of a mother having her child die, only to be put into a super Exo who had no memory.

[remote venture]

I thought that was Ada?

[regal niche]

The average neomunian never even saw earth, the only people who did was the government and the risks they saw with contacting earth was a lot more risk then reward

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel well I guess the Lore holds up for both the Traveler and The Witness since I don't think their ideals have changed at all even in this new timeline

[stoic sphinx]

Also the Concordat might actually be a big player

[coarse kestrel]

Yes. It is Ada. She is the last of the black armory. Her full name is Adalaide

[remote venture]

Yea I remember my lore right

[coarse kestrel]

Good boi ❤️

[remote venture]

That’s actually a really nice name

[remote venture]

Yay

[next quest]

oh maan, concordat is another thing they keep sneaking into main game every now and then but don't actually do anything substantial with

[coarse kestrel]

Yep, literally a German descent name practically meaning noble kin

[remote venture]

Kewl

[limber rose]

Welp, day one of Destiny: Rising Discord, and we've already got somebody called a good boy

[stoic sphinx]

Maybe we finally get some content for them lol

[coarse kestrel]

LMAO

[orchid aspen]

@coarse kestrel the Goodest Good boi it seems 😂

[crude haven]

There was a scene in the developer preview where they drew a line between the collapse and the dark age

[remote venture]

Lmao. And surprising it was me who got called a good boy

[coarse kestrel]

They boxed collapse and then showed a brief timeline

[crude haven]

2:30 in the developer preview

[remote venture]

I once created a head cannon lore about California for the Destiny universe. Specifically for San Francisco

[coarse kestrel]

It's pre-city age post Dark-age just based off of context alone.

[coarse kestrel]

Gone. Reduced to atoms. Forgotten. Never to be seen again. As it should be.

[orchid aspen]

I'm banking on this game being one of the Downfall timelines who else?

[remote venture]

I call it the San Francisco Quarantine Zone

[limber rose]

I honestly really appreciate that the developer preview talked at length about which era this game takes place in, it shows some evidence of tender love and care

[stoic sphinx]

Not even the black fleet wanted to touch San Francisco

[remote venture]

lol

[crude haven]

lol

[next quest]

line went to Radegast, Iron Lords then Wolf, so I think it was just to illustrate the origins of Wolf and the Iron Lords

[coarse kestrel]

Didn't parts of NA get nuked even prior to the collapse. I swear Manhatten was destroyed even before the collapse.

[limber rose]

I wonder how the collapse effected Washington? Bungie's based here, after all...

[remote venture]

Yea the Manhattan Nuclear Zone

[stoic sphinx]

Yeah I think so; Manhattan is referred to as a nuclear zone

[coarse kestrel]

Fellow Washingtonian here. we do have a region in the PNW called New Whilge in the Puget Sound!

[limber rose]

It's strange that two beloved studios are located in Bellingham, considering that one of them technically doesn't exist, and got folded into the other (hopoo and valve)

[coarse kestrel]

Literally no lore on it

But still cool!

[stoic sphinx]

How will this affect Pete Parsons car collection???

[limber rose]

New Whilge? huh. Wonder if we would get any fun exotics

[coarse kestrel]

Literally lived a mile off of the shore of the Puget Sound for years until a few years back.

[stoic sphinx]

Its so cool out there

[remote venture]

My headcannon lore for San Francisco was that during the Golden Age, rare and valuable materials were discovered within the San Andreas fault line. And so most cities around it became major mining corporations. Especially San Francisco. Eventually a mining disaster occurred which released dangerous chemicalss/radiation/smth which made San Francisco unlivable. Turning it into a quarantine zone. Eventually in modern Destiny, I had Red Legion remnants (now Shadow Legion) mining the fault line for resources

[limber rose]

Well, you can pace the grounds, from cascades to puget sound...

[stoic sphinx]

I think London ended up being the most advanced earth city during the golden age

[coarse kestrel]

I feel like Beijing was. Just considering it was a major center of research.

[remote venture]

Was expecting smth like Tokyo

[nocturne forge]

Destiny lore just isn’t near the level of Skibidi Toilet lore sorry it’s just true🤷‍♂️💯

[cunning bison]

real

[remote venture]

Yall think the Last City is in Chile or the Himalayas?

[stoic sphinx]

South America something I think

[remote venture]

Ok kiddo

[coarse kestrel]

Actually don't think we have anything on Japan during the Golden Age outside of the fact that Japan was part of the Black Armory

[raw elbow]

chile most likely

[coarse kestrel]

Chile off of like 8 year old research]

[limber rose]

My headcanon is that Seattle would either get an expanded entertainment industry, or have a VERY prominent bray facility. Everybody thinks about Silicon Valley when it comes to tech, but all the old tech companies are over here.

[remote venture]

I still feel like the Himalayas made more sense

[remote venture]

There is the line of “crossing the Panama ravine”

[stoic sphinx]

The last city is actually in Milwaukee

This is entirely true

[coarse kestrel]

True. I wonder what the Darien Gap was like after the collapse lmao

[stoic sphinx]

The exact same

[remote venture]

I find it funny how Shaw Hawn gave us a sparrow and expected us to drive across the ocean to get to the Last City

Since we going from Russia to Chile if that is the location of the Last City

[stoic sphinx]

Sparrow fly

Ez

[coarse kestrel]

Ah yes, the Last Cutey!

Lmao

[remote venture]

Do not use that against me

[coarse kestrel]

🤣

No GIF

[stoic sphinx]

Can't believe there was another cutey on Neptune this whole time

[coarse kestrel]

'='

[remote venture]

-_-

[coarse kestrel]

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[remote venture]

Holy cow

[crude haven]

Saw someone argue that the last city is located in Nepal

[coarse kestrel]

Do we have any reference to Nepal in the lore?

[remote venture]

The only evidence to that is the skybox and the fact we “walked” to the edz

[crude haven]

read it in a reddit thread

[remote venture]

Depends on whether or not you think we walked or flew to the edz

[limber rose]

I feel like we should just datamine files off of Clovis Bray's big ass head

[coarse kestrel]

I'd sure as hell hope we flew lmao.

[remote venture]

Nah I’d throw it into the trash. I doubt anything in that big dome is useful

[crude haven]

I'll quote from reddit

"There is a thread where it’s latitude was worked out based on stars and shadows. The shadows indicated it was in the Southern Hemisphere (which was deduced to be Peru because of the mountains). Then a throw away account stating it was a Bungie Dev said that one of the numbers input into the lighting engine was reversed (negative instead of positive). Many people found the throw away account credible, and agreement was that it was intended to be in the Northern Hemisphere and, therefore, likely Nepal."

[coarse kestrel]

I know that the EDZ was used by a lot of refugee's as a resupply site to bring back stuff to other Human colonies. Amanda has a few lines refering to it.

Could have included Nepalese civilizations

[remote venture]

There’s two sides, either A) we walked to the EDZ where we encountered Hawthorne and then flew to the Farm, or B) we encountered Hawthorne in which we flew to the EDZ

[nocturne forge]

Are there titan speaker men and G man toilet in Destiny? Exactly. Destiny lore is objectively inferior to Skibidi Toilet lore in complexity and depth, prove me wrong.

[limber rose]

Woe: Deep Stone Crypt Lore be upon ye

[stoic sphinx]

We encountered Hawthorne and then flew to the farm I think

[remote venture]

Look up just the Hive lore books

[coarse kestrel]

Would need to rewatch the mission, but my guess is we encountered Hawthorne then flew away considering she was talking about leaving the walls before we leave If I remember correctly.

[uncut flicker]

Hello my fellow destiny lovers❤️

[stoic sphinx]

Yo

[remote venture]

Tbh the environment where we encountered Hawthorne after escaping the City looks very much like a European landscape than a Chilean one

[uncut flicker]

Yall sleeping on destiny rule thirty four 😭🙏

Everytime i beat it to destiny pron my pp gets so hard and i just release it all over my pc

[remote venture]

Why? Just why?

[coarse kestrel]

Ok, she says that they wanted to get as far away as possible from the city before leaving, so I'd imply it means that we're far away from the EDZ. mentions it being a long flight as well

[uncut flicker]

it gets so sticky and then i have to lick it off

[remote venture]

Please shut

[uncut flicker]

even if it’s ooey and gooey it’s a free meal that satisfies my cravings

🤤🤤

[crude haven]

Been flipping through some reddit posts, saw someone who managed to get the approximate location

[coarse kestrel]

Crucify this guy @hazy latch

[uncut flicker]

stick it in me ahh harder i’m coming ahhh

[crude haven]

said it was somewhere along the edge of the himalayas.

[limber rose]

TO THE CROSs!

[remote venture]

Despite my beliefs, there’s more evidence showing that the Last City is located in Chile

[coarse kestrel]

I've been chatting for at least 2 hours lmao, no plan to stop either, having so much fun lol

[crude haven]

he said it was somewhere in pokhara?

[remote venture]

Specifically the Amanda Holiday lore books and the Serifs Shield mission

[stoic sphinx]

Maybe the real location of the city was the friends we made along the way❤️

[nocturne forge]

In my educated and honest opinion backed by countless hours of research, skibidi toilet rule thirty four is objectively superior in every way.

[limber rose]

How could somebody as American as Holiday get to the last city on foot? By it being on the same land mass, of course!

[remote venture]

Someone remove this gen alpha kid?

[coarse kestrel]

Using D1 orbit and serif shield only really work considering there was no continental shift that happened during the Golden Age and collapse.

[wild hornet]

lol

[coarse kestrel]

Burn this guy at the stake, set his flesh ablaze for his unholy soul to be cleansed by forces above ourself

[crude haven]

Quote from reddit "The Southern Hemisphere DOES NOT make sense. Although I understand where people are coming from here.

The crucible maps that show locations similar to the Cosmodrome state that it is in the "outskirts" of the Last City.

So if the outskirts of the city has building that look similar to the Russian Cosmodrome, how can they be in Peru? It doesn't make sense.

Now, Baikonur, one of the largest Russian Cosmodromes is located in Kazakhstan, one of the Russian satellites. If we assume that as civilization expanded and grew during the golden age, more of them were built in the old Russian satellite countries, we move close and closer to the Nepal location.

Okno, a Russian space observatory, is located in Tajikistan. Even closer to Nepal. So we already have backup from real world Russian construction in the region dating back to the 1970's."

[stoic sphinx]

Send this man to Xivu’s throne world

[remote venture]

Based off my calculations, it’s been around 1000 years since the Traveler was first discovered if it is true it was 2014

I don’t think there was much continental drift

[limber rose]

Considering the pace of tectonic movement, you could probably count on it being the same

[nocturne forge]

Facts don’t care about your soy liberal feelings fart face

[coarse kestrel]

Not considering timewise. Considering impacts of the collapse considering it was capable of creating large geological and celestial disturbances in the case of Titan.

[remote venture]

True

There was that scene in the TFS vision that shows Earth covered in lava

[limber rose]

If I remember correctly, didn't savathun help save us before things went truly horrible?

[crude haven]

Wasn't it due to witness influence

[coarse kestrel]

Titan literally had anomolous gravity that formed large Tsunami's and literally bent the moon into an ovoid temporarily before it crashed and destroyed all of cilization.

[remote venture]

But that still doesn’t mean the earth was left unscathed

[remote venture]

Wasn’t there a Titan who can punch mountains

[stoic sphinx]

Goddamn it the black fleet removed Australia

[coarse kestrel]

Savathun did save us somehow, but humanity wouldn't of been wiped out if she protected all of Earth.

[remote venture]

I think Australia was left untouched

Even the witness doesn’t want to deal with the creatures there

[stoic sphinx]

Didn't she save us by hiding the Veil?

[crude haven]

I thought savathun made some families on earth sing some song that kept the traveler from fleeing?

[coarse kestrel]

YES!!! Wei Ning. I'm a Fighting Line OTP w/ over 75k+ PVE Kills. She was a Titan who literally beat Ahamkhara to death with her fists during the great hunt!

[remote venture]

She casted an illusion that made the Traveler look destroyed

[limber rose]

Of course, but I think the fact that the earth in all of the images looks pretty much the same, tells us that it wasn't joever for earth's tectonic plates.

[coarse kestrel]

Yes, she also killed Nezerac

[limber rose]

She did a lot of things, actually

[remote venture]

Didn’t her partner tell her to use a gun, only for her to make the Fighting Lion?

[stoic sphinx]

Who hasn't at this point lol

[remote venture]

Which is equal to her fists?

[coarse kestrel]

Yep, Eriana if I remember correctly.

[remote venture]

I find it funny how she was like “stop using your firsts. U gotta use a gun” only for Wei to be like “bet. I’ll make my fists into bullets”

[coarse kestrel]

She died at Crota's hands during the great disaster and was so strong Crota literally grabbed a medallion from her corpse. Eriana was one of the six original guardians to delve into the hellmouth in revenge.

[remote venture]

Oh lord

[limber rose]

Actually, nevermind kabr and praedyth, it would be severely messed up to play as omar or eriana

[remote venture]

Based off power scaling, who do you think is the most powerful guardian we’ve encountered

[coarse kestrel]

Ya, they both didn't have the greatest fates.

[remote venture]

I’m thinking either Ikora or Saint

[limber rose]

Ourselves, mostly.

[remote venture]

Ignoring us

[coarse kestrel]

I'm guessing Ikora in terms of light, Saint based off of combat experience.

[stoic sphinx]

Xenophage simulator

[dry mason]

Only after prismatic. Before that it would be Ikora since we never meet Shin.

[limber rose]

Omar in Forspoken be like: "Eyy! I'm a freakin' BUG!!!"

[remote venture]

Say… I wonder what gods we’ll turn into guns in this new Destiny game…

[coarse kestrel]

The actual answer is Shaw Han

[remote venture]

Bro was kicked from multiple fireteams

[stoic sphinx]

I think drifter might also be in the running

Man had some insane abilities

[remote venture]

Technically lightless tho

His ghost is insane

[dry mason]

He's not lightless???

[stoic sphinx]

Hes definitely not lightless

[remote venture]

Doesn’t use the light anymore. Doesn’t trust ghosts

[coarse kestrel]

According to this gamerant article, Shaw Han is actually the 21st strongest guardian, couldn't be wrong. I have 100% faith

[dry mason]

Doesn't trust his ghost. Doesn't make him lightless.

[remote venture]

Still has his ghost tho. Just a little crazy after what happened

[remote venture]

If ya can die and can’t use your light, I count that as lightless

[limber rose]

He's crazy, simply because he is all that the dark ages necessitated: He survived, he ate Hive Eyes, and, importantly, he modified his ghost, making it forever mute but able to do taken shenanigans.

[remote venture]

Yea. Cuz he was stuck in that ice planet

[daring tendon]

wait so if the game take place in alternative time line is after the golden age? or before the golden age?

[remote venture]

With those crazy monsters

[limber rose]

Surviving europa before we got there is impressive in of itself

[stoic sphinx]

Shin Malphur was also up there

[remote venture]

It takes place between the dark ages and city ages. In that era where the battles between guardians stopped and before the walls were constructed

[daring tendon]

hmmm noted

[limber rose]

Actually, in retrospect, what did he find there? Tormentors? Dread-ified unknown races?

[remote venture]

The Dread was created after the Witness entered the Traveler.

[coarse kestrel]

If we were to see a Destiny full-length cinematic what would you all love to see?

I'd personally love to see either the story of Wei Ming and Eriana and their relationship
"You don't even have to ask. I'd follow you to the end of the galaxy."
OR

Last Days on Kraken Mare | Probably the best possibly introduction to a Destiny show pilot as it introduces braytech, humanities current state, and leaves us in the dark on the collapse but shows it being insanely devistating.

[stoic sphinx]

The entire books of sorrow

[remote venture]

I’d like to see Lord Shaxx decapitating Felwinter with just a backhand

[limber rose]

Cyberpunk: Edgerunners style nightmare short series about the Hellmouth.

[stoic sphinx]

Dredgen Yor western

[remote venture]

I’d like to see Saint’s entire journey through the Infinite Forest

[limber rose]

Okay, so it'd definitely have to be an anthology series, right?

[stoic sphinx]

Yeah absolutely

[remote venture]

Yea

[coarse kestrel]

Would be sick! I'd love to see Oryx slaying Akka. I'm a fanatic for trying to understand the Worm-Gods. Literally spent like 5 hours making a reddit post discussing every single mention of them, their entire stories, every implication they could have, their connection to Ahamkhara, and the 3 remaining worms-gods we know little on.

And the concept of Anthem Anatheme lol

[remote venture]

I really need to read more lore

[lyric parrot]

This game is cannon?

[remote venture]

All my lore is limited to My Name is Byf and Evaze videos

[pseudo totem]

prolly

[remote venture]

Not really. It takes place in an alternate universe but because of the peraverse it could be

[limber rose]

The perverse?!?

[pseudo totem]

If it gets popular enough, it might start its own lore series

[stoic sphinx]

I'm never going to get over how fantastic the Taken King / Witch Queen lore was

[coarse kestrel]

Would love to see Yul at some point in the story. Literally a space dragon the size of a small celestial body. They are described to have wings and to be coated in silver scales. Considering only a segment of Akka was used to create the Dreadnaught and the fact that Yul and Ur feasted on the Leviathan and have lived for billions of years longer, it is crazy to even think about them.

[remote venture]

It’s like a multiverse. But more complex

Probably Google it

[coarse kestrel]

Oh the honest worm.

[limber rose]

I was joking about the typo, no worries.

[lyric parrot]

Of course! Brilliant!

[remote venture]

I prefer to see stories about Guardians.

[coarse kestrel]

Eir would be cool to see as well considering they are likely a follower of the Witness or allies in the darkness. The Witness had the power to shape life how they saw fit and reshape stuff, similar to how Eir was capable of literally mutating the Hive in how they saw fit.

[remote venture]

Like the Iron Lords or Warlords

[stoic sphinx]

Also a Games of Thrones style show about Mara and the distributary would be so cool

[remote venture]

Ngl seeing Ikora with hair is weird

[pseudo totem]

I want to know about the war our guardian was in before the ghost revived us

[coarse kestrel]

And I'm pretty sure Ur has only ever had a mention that she feasted upon the Leviathan as well and had a liking for Sathona

[remote venture]

I think that war was called traffic

[pseudo totem]

very tragic war name

[limber rose]

If you want a real mindbender, take a good look at the concept of pataphysics, especially as shown in some SCP short stories and entries. Initally designed far before then as a parody of science, however.

[remote venture]

Since we were revived in the middle of a blocked highway

[pseudo totem]

tragic was in gerneral

[coarse kestrel]

The war on christmas, working to push christmas out of November!

[remote venture]

The Battle of Twilight Gap I would very much like to see

[coarse kestrel]

I genuinely can't stand it, Went to a bath and body works October 1st and literally already saw christmas candles!

[limber rose]

But, if we're talking about obscure elements of destiny lore, I've got something over you folks: MARATHON!

[lyric parrot]

And now my Gurdian, never lived on my smartphone except for the D2 app

[remote venture]

I saw Christmas decorations during the middle of September

[stoic sphinx]

Give Halloween its time!

[coarse kestrel]

Oh durandel

No idea on Marathon lore in Infinity. Only played up to the second game

[remote venture]

Did ya know that the 10th anniversary armor set tells a story about a family?

[coarse kestrel]

I found a PC opensource port a bit ago and had a lot of fun.

[stoic sphinx]

Marathon is also in the destiny paraverse which is cool

[pseudo totem]

yk for phyllax being known as merciless in the battle of twilight gap, she sure was easy to take down

[lyric parrot]

Savathun is playing with new cards huh

[remote venture]

From their first arrival to the City, their experience of Twilight Gap and the Red War, to the celebrations after the Witness’s defeat

[remote venture]

Isn’t all the Bungie games in the Destiny Paraverse?

[limber rose]

Not just mr. door handle himself, but MIDA, and the concept of the player as an archetypal hero who returns whenever they are needed, as the Security Guard and Master Chief did before.

[remote venture]

Imagine if the Master Chief was revived as a guardian

That would be a sight to see

[limber rose]

Hell, concepts established in Marathon reverberate all across bungie, like the concept of Rampant AI (and later, generally ai named after european mythology)

[stoic sphinx]

They tried, he didn't want to

[limber rose]

Hell, the reclaimer symbol in the original halo literally was the Marathon logo, before 343 had to change it.

[mighty quail]

did you see the video Byf did with community artists / animators? it's not quite the whole Books but it's a bunch of Hive stuff

[raw elbow]

definitely after the collapse

[coarse kestrel]

Did you know that there is a family in Destiny lore who literally sung Savathun's song prior to the collapse?

[stoic sphinx]

Dynasty my beloved

[limber rose]

Another reason why humanity survived, probably.

[raw elbow]

more than a family. iirc it was most of humanity

[stoic sphinx]

I'm on the moon, its made of cheese...

[coarse kestrel]

They were called the Rigby family. One of our first known interactions with the Hive outside of the fact that Crota has had forces on the Moon long before we existed and the fact that there was a cult worshipping Nezerac during the Golden Age,

I still can;t wait to see Nezerac expanded!

Oh for he is no devil. A fiend, vile in all his ways

[limber rose]

At least, expanded beyond making Misraaks a cancer allegory

[coarse kestrel]

The purest light, the darkest hour!

Prior to LF, it was my head cannon that Nezerac was a being who had betrayed the Witness. Still find it weird how he is still described as a being of light even now.

[limber rose]

Oh wait, I think there's material there for a brain-blast about the consequences of prolonging life

[stoic sphinx]

He is a path and a way, one of many. And his sin—so wicked, so divine—is that he will never cower when dusk does fall, but stand vigilant as old stars die and new Light blinks its first upon this feted eternity.

[coarse kestrel]

He is that which is end, that which covets sin.

[mighty quail]

Void-light. It was always seen as suspicious for a reason.

[stoic sphinx]

And He shall rise again

[coarse kestrel]

I;m talking about descriptions as being the purest light, divine in nature, "Arch and vile in many ways"

[stoic sphinx]

Also while we’re on nezarek what happened to the witness’s main pyramid ship we see at the end of red war. It was definitely not the same as the one we saw in TFS.

[coarse kestrel]

Very interesting choice to describe his nature. May possibly refer to a duality in Nezerac's nature. Knowing that he is a collective in a way who can split his conciousness, it's possible he exists as two sides in a way. One of vile in Nezerac, the final god of pain, dark god of fear, and one who is Arch, literally refering to be a pathway to the divine.

[stoic sphinx]

Always kinda interesting that he served the witness given that the final shape was totally contradictory to Nez’s goals

[limber rose]

Here's the pieces I could put together:

• The current state of Misraaks is, like I said, very much a cancer allegory. Picture this: A loved one, hooked up to a machine and turning evermore bitter as they look into the abyss.
• Fikrul, and the scorn, are also kind of a cancer allegory. They are beings that cannot die, and wish to spread their malaise, in all it's tumourous growth. The biggest difference is that Fikrul has daddy issues. This has become even more apparent, as the Echo has allowed him to turn even living Eliksni.
• Both sides of the conflict are torn. Eido wants to save her father, and is doing everything she can, but she also needs to find a cure for Fikrul. We're tasked with doing the impossible. It shouldn't be lost on us that we are also now killing Eliksni that were turned into the Revenant Scorn. Not that we had many reservations about killing Eliksni anyways, but I digress.

[cunning bison]

Probably already been mentioned but I like that the Traveller is a tree in this timeline, kind of like Yggdrasil from Norse Mythology

[coarse kestrel]

Yep. Also interesting considering Nezerac is likely a being who is formed by pure darkness. The dark makes up the psychological/theoretical domain of the Destiny universe, and a being who is the literal concept of fear ought to be a fragment of the greater Darkness in a pure form.

He is reliant on civilization to exist similar to the Nine as long as people have fear, Nezerac will exist.

No idea what part of him would decide to work with the Witness out of enciting terror, but at the same time it is killing, something contradictory to his nature.

Pushing civilization for an end would be wanting to bring about his own end

[stoic sphinx]

Honestly I was hoping he would be something entirely separate from the black fleet that we took on after TFS

[limber rose]

Rubbing my two braincells together: Is revenant a thinly-veiled story on the ethics of prolonging life medically?

[mighty quail]

The Sword Logic also loses meaning with the Witness' end game. It was manipulating them into serving it, they weren't really getting what they wanted.

[coarse kestrel]

A story about not drinking tea made from corpses. Great Britain could have used that one a while ago 🤣

[stoic sphinx]

Rhulk was the only one who got it lol

[coarse kestrel]

The Drifter encountered a Tomb of Nezerac out in deep space. All Nezerac needs is a host to be reborn.

[limber rose]

I think it might also have themes of diaspora, given that another goal of ours is to recover culture that is lost to us. Eido, being an earth-born Eliksni, is well befitting for that role.

[mighty quail]

#1 Witness simp

[stoic sphinx]

Didn't Osiris also drink the tea

[coarse kestrel]

Yes

I was joking lol

[stoic sphinx]

Oh yeah I get that lol

[limber rose]

I hope I'm making sense here

[coarse kestrel]

🤣

[mighty quail]

that whole thing about Variks taking her on as an apprentice is really cool

[stoic sphinx]

Would be funny if he was entirely tea based and had nothing to do with spreading through fear

[mighty quail]

House Judgement stonks on the rise

still waiting for a Scribe title to replace Chronicler

[stoic sphinx]

Final god of earl grey

[mighty quail]

HOT

[coarse kestrel]

Definetely. One of the main focal points that Destiny should be exploring with the Eliksni is pushing them past their obsession with the Traveller and have them develop past scavengers. Returning to Riis could be a cathartic moment for them, discovering past knowledgem, culture, and reconvening with the pure either.

[teal pier]

I am brand new to the funny mobile destiny discussion, is any of it actually have to do with destiny 2 lore? or is it more so simply imspired and does what ever tf it wants?

[mighty quail]

I'm also a Riis truther. I'd like to see it as well as Torobatl. And they did say we're going beyond the solar system so.... fingers crossed

[stoic sphinx]

50/50

[coarse kestrel]

The Eliksni are a very religious civilization, they are bound by it, and Riis is a ritualistic site for them, them confronting their past is the main point to expand forward.

Riis is the only site of natural Either for the Eliksni, so kinda like Aarakis in Dune lol w/ it's spice and melange.

[stoic sphinx]

Brb gotta go ride a worm god

[coarse kestrel]

I could see a future for the Eliksni is communing with machines and becoming Exo. We know Aatraks was free from Either.

[mighty quail]

It's set after the Dark Ages but before the City Age. It's also an alternate timeline, not the same one as D2. So it'll be similar but different. Not too much info yet but it seems exciting and there will probably be a few familiar faces in the Iron Lords 🙂

[coarse kestrel]

GL man

Only the true Slayor-Barons can accomplish it.

[limber rose]

So, for those keeping count, the big themes so far are:

• Cancer and the Medical Prolonging of Life
• Diaspora trying to Reconnect to an Actively Dying Culture
  Anything else?

[coarse kestrel]

Catch up on your Ulurant and Chakobsan

[stoic sphinx]

lisan al gaib tiltle when?

[limber rose]

Once again, bungie has proven themselves woke /j

[coarse kestrel]

Kell of Rain.

[teal pier]

Makes total sense now and actually perfect thing they could have done with a mobile destiny game

[stoic sphinx]

Vampire are spooky

[coarse kestrel]

Another point could be religious conflict. The Scorn and the Eliksni are in a full on religious war right now lol.

[mighty quail]

there are 10000000 moments in the worldbuilding that have enough material for another game or animated series or live action film or books or... etc. but yeah this is a really cool moment! I love hearing about the Warlords / Iron Lords

[teal pier]

I wish they made more comic books instead of just one

[stoic sphinx]

Wish they made the tv show they were talking about

[mighty quail]

Alchemy & transformations IG? There's the obvious potions and trying to alter Misraaks' body but also the Scorn zombiefication and Atraaks' transcendence into an Exo body

[limber rose]

How does it always come back to the Golden Dawn?

[coarse kestrel]

The Scorn are a vile contortion of Eliksni who are attempting to carve a path forward for their species unlike the Eliksni who are bound by who they once were. The main conflict we can say in this season will be the conflict of the Eliksni becoming unbound, and confronting the fact that their connection to their old ways is what holds them back.

Eido has a conversation with an older Eliksni who had experienced the great drift and it is actually a really insightful discussion. Talking about how newborn Eliksni are born to a newfound peace for the race, even if their ways are decaying. She talks about her their old ways actively bring them unrest.

[stoic sphinx]

Everything Crow and Fikrul are going through rn is also pretty heavy

[limber rose]

Oh, how could I forget. Parenthood!

[mighty quail]

this game will have you looking over your shoulder real quick

[coarse kestrel]

Oh boy, the Aatraks conversation is something entirely else lmao

[stoic sphinx]

Hate it when my kid makes a zombie army

[mighty quail]

bio parenthood and intellectual mentorship too. yeah

[mighty quail]

mask of bakris tab haunts me in my sleep

[coarse kestrel]

I think Vesper's Host is setting up story regarding Frontiers. Definetely not Sol based conflicts.

Let me read it quick lol

[coarse kestrel]

JESUS

[mighty quail]

You're in for a... treat? 😬

yeah

[coarse kestrel]

That is uncomfortable to read Lmao

[mighty quail]

I was gonna add a tw for body horror but slowmode prevented it lol

[coarse kestrel]

"wet your hands in this imposter's gore, spread it about"

[mighty quail]

just girly things

[limber rose]

Unrelated, but I'd like a robot body, that'd be swell

[stoic sphinx]

do NOT let Clovis hear that

[coarse kestrel]

Would be interesting, but not a fan of the idea of Alkahest twisting my minds, random memory wipes, random entire system wipes upon encountering Vex corruption, and the fact that Clovis installed a war switch in every Exo.

[limber rose]

Oh, who said I wanted a robot brain?

I've seen SOMA. I want my own self in that body, please.

[mighty quail]

I found 7-10 year old raidsecrets posts by Seventh_Circle & sanecoin the other day. I'd connected some dots but they really had a Proper Corkboard going.

[coarse kestrel]

So you want a gooey network of dura mater stuck in a metal shell

[coarse kestrel]

God It's been years since I've played that.

[limber rose]

As long as I can still have all my faculties, sure!

[coarse kestrel]

Phenomenal game regarding the ethics and reality of mind scans and a future humanity in robot shells.

[mighty quail]

Destiny is a horror game cosplaying as a T rated fps

[limber rose]

As long as my brain continues to function, I think it'd be nice to have a robot body.

[coarse kestrel]

Do you know what the scariest part about SOMA was though?

The guy was Canadian!

[limber rose]

gASP!

[mighty quail]

Le Gasp

[coarse kestrel]

Definetely can hit the right spots lol. The body esc horror in TFS is genuinely uncomfortable at times.

I'm very particular on my horror, and Destiny still does a pretty good job.

[limber rose]

The deep stone crypt has always been one of my favorites. However fictional, it actually gets into the logistics and design considerations for conciousness duplication.

[stoic sphinx]

Read any of the Xivu throne world lore

Its horrific

[coarse kestrel]

Not a fan of slashers, more so a fan of psychological, cosmis, and inescapable horror.

[swift rampart]

it is much more peaceful in here then main chat i wish you all a goodnight and for both sides of your pillow to be cold the next time you sleep

[coarse kestrel]

Love the Shining, House of Leaves, and Still Wakes the Deep

[coarse kestrel]

Oh, cool fan theory on Xivu Arath.

It is possible that Xivu tricked the Cabal empire into praising her.

Many Cabal have Hive esc names, and their entire civilization is a warefaring society based around strength, honor, and death.

[mighty quail]

goodnight guardian, & likewise 🫂

[stoic sphinx]

That makes a lot of sense

[stoic sphinx]

Same, see y'all starside

[coarse kestrel]

Shleep well my little lore fiend

[mighty quail]

Caiatl's name is an extremely lovely little rebellion against Hive philosophy

lemme find the tab

[coarse kestrel]

Aiat

C | Aiat | l

[mighty quail]

"it may not always go how it needs to go"

[coarse kestrel]

I just think it's a cool little theory. Her creating a spacefaring empire that feeds her death for free. Only to feast upon it when TFS is neared and she needs power.

[mighty quail]

"The doomed and the damned left the record of their downfall in the OXA. Your star got its name from the oldest myths in that archive. And when your mother told your father that story... the star became your name. A prayer that all will go as it must... and the way it must go is struggle."

"Aiat." Not a word in Ulurant or any other Cabal tongue. "But Caiatl means something else."

"Yes. 'It may not always go as it needs to go.’ A good name for a soldier."

"A strange name for a daughter." I say.
"Your father chose it for your mother's sake. Out of love."

[stoic sphinx]

Would totally track with her character too

Even umun arath being the one to bring her to torobatl

[coarse kestrel]

Am example is Umun'arath. Contain Arath from Xivu

Perfect timing my man

[stoic sphinx]

Absolutely

Anyways, gonna head out for the night. Fun talking with you guys

[coarse kestrel]

Seeya man

[stoic sphinx]

C ya

[mighty quail]

this is where I get really emo about the way Earth escaped Torobatl's fate & tell everyone I'm still wearing the 'unflexable' Seraph title

nighty night :3

[coarse kestrel]

I should probably hit the night train

Hopefully talk again peeps

240 messages in the first day on the server is insane lmao

[mighty quail]

see ya! I'll do my best not to lose track of the server this time lol

it's nice to see the enthusiasm :3

[tidal cargo]

Honestly excited for ramifications on the dark future timelines. Though it looks like we’ll be seeing stuff from before Elsie’s time loop.

[tidal edge]

I'm now seeing a TON of videos talking about where this is taking place, like before the Tower, after the Tower, it's all over the place now.

[cunning bison]

THE TOWER

[regal niche]

Probably while the tower was still in construction